 Number at 9 over 1 AM. Good morning everyone. And Erica, can you do the overall thing? Yes, so we have Tom DeVie, Lauren Sealy. I see her. Alright, the ensortment. Jean Christopher. Here. Katie Kahn. Here. Lisa Gallo. You're facing DeFrancisco. Here. I can do that. I'm going to amend 2. Approval of minutes from October 18, 2022. Do I have a motion? I'll get to approve. Second. Alright, any discussion or changes? Erin now, let's vote. Aye. Approval? Aye. Aye. Aye. Alright. Yeah, she raised her hand first. Motion passes unanimously. Let's go on to item number 3. Public, you might be heard. That's a small issue. Oh, did you hear? Yeah, we can hear you. Yeah, we can hear you, Lauren. Is this better? Yeah, we can hear you now. Did you have something to say? Okay, here's to you. Item 3. Public, you might be heard. See anyone else in the public? Let's go on to item number 4. Organizational updates. Day of the 2023 budget recap. Are you handling this, Kendra, or is this a Harold thing? Yes, I'm handling it. Okay. Everybody is going to be able to afford the actual increase. Are we going to end up putting people out and causing homelessness here? Or are we going to be able, how are we going to work that? And we're not going to talk to the folks. We're going to say everybody is in an individual situation. And so we will evaluate the situation as individuals. You know, part of it is when you recindicate or not recindicate, when you re-up your reach, you have to give us all your financials anyway. Right. And so you're required to pay certain things based on your financials. And the challenge we're having at Village Places, unfortunately, when they were placing people in there, kind of before we took over, right as we were taking over, they weren't putting people in the appropriate units based on their individual qualifications. And so that's a problem. It's especially a problem when you talk about the fact that we have equity investors and other things we need to deal with. And so it may be that we go, here's what you need to do. You know, obviously we made the decision we're not going to the 17% that we work behind where we're getting for, and may have to incrementally stagger into it. But it may be that we go to someone that's having issues. And we may start holding some very 40% AMI units or just managing what we have on the block, please. Third, we may manage what we have at the lower income units and say, here's what you need to pay, here's a place for you, you need to move. There's going to be a lot of balancing going on. I don't think, my gut tells me, I don't think we'll see a lot of that in 4%. Yeah, it's individual and actually Village Places is our worst situation. It's got so many levels too. Yeah, and for so long people were put in there. They weren't put in in the right units. Right. You'll see a lower rent. A lower rent and they've been there for a long time. When we look, there's a few maybe here. Spring Creek and Fall River are pretty, they're in decent shape. I'm correct in saying Village Places are the biggest problem. Not as many, but, and if they're voucher holders, we may have to start figuring out how to use vouchers too to kind of break some of these issues as we're seeing them, but that's going to come up when there are leases involved. Is there, this doesn't sound fair, but then neither does ousting somebody. Right. But could one of the options for somebody that is below get Section 8, is there an option, would there be an option for them? They would have to be on the wait list and wait for their turn. Okay. The last, just for your guys' knowledge, the last wait list opening we did at the box over, we had like 400, 600 people in person, but almost everybody who was local to Longmont got on the list because of the price. Okay. So, we had a lot of residents. So, but really, even though the quick option is for them to move to a 30% apartment, I think, you know, move here, and also the information and giving them the process for getting on the wait list would be hard work. Okay. We're going to be looking at all of that. I think the key is when their lease comes up. Yeah. So, it's not like in January one where I have everybody in the region with this. Yeah. They're going to be getting based on their lease cycle. Right. And so, we'll have some time to kind of understand the Z. You know, I can tell you when we talked about the 4% increase, our lease has been ending. Nobody's really freaking out about it. Not yet. No. So, I think, even if there's 17% behind, the max increase is only going to be 4%. Right. So, that's helping us manage kind of what you're concerned about. Yeah. Obviously, when Kendra and I talked about this and said, if we brought them up where they needed to be, we would be having some serious issues. And we couldn't do that. And what we did here last year was recently, we actually added five 30% units. So, I pulled the income for the whole property and took the five lowest people and made their units to 30%. So, that was going to those who needed it the most. Okay. So, we're looking at that. You may have to do that on a recent occasion over there. Even here. That's what we did here. Yeah, that's seniors. Yes, here. Okay. So, we added five 30%. That's what we did last year. Half 30%. No, we do now. We have five right now. Yeah, that's great. So, what we did is, I literally, me and Sarah bought pulled the sheet with that everybody's income and we're like, these are the lowest. They don't have a voucher. These are the people we're going to call five for 30%. Yeah. And only those people were notified. Yeah. But as those become available, we'll start taking households that are all that 30% and seeing what we can do to help get them to that lower percentage. Okay. We have a thing that we're looking at for Village Place with the recent occasion. So, it's not an immediate fix to some of this, but we are looking at asking for to project-based, quite a few vouchers. So, in addition to those that have a 10-base vouchers, we're looking at putting project-based vouchers. Obviously, that has to be approved by the LHA board, but that is definitely just with the level of 30% income individuals in Village Place when we have very little 30% units. That's something that we're planning on implementing with the recent occasion. So, that's over as a long-term solution could be helpful. Very good. You know, I'm not incredibly worried about that. I mean, just because I think there's a lot of ways for us to manage it, and it push comes to show we can look at our affordable housing fund, we can look at other things, if the numbers are used there. The numbers are going to lead us based on individuals' incomes. And so, I think we're going to be able to manage this. I'm not... It's not only the... Now, if we had done 17 of them, I'm going to say we're going to push people out. I'm not just frankly anxious about it. I think there's ways for us to manage it. Yeah, as people's income has increased over the years, there's social security. Their rent hasn't knocked 17 out. But understandable. But, you know, last year was 5.5 this year. It's going to be 8. So, 4% is actually lower. I understand. I understand. So, given that we take income to determine what the rent is, and we haven't done that over the last four years, I appreciate what you said. It's just that, you know, a social security amount percentage isn't the same as the rent amount percentage. And the impact is different, because, you know, and we all heard social security went up 5.8, and Medicare took most of it. So, the income, the usable income, but I appreciate what you're saying and I appreciate what you're doing. One other question I had with the 30%. We had home units. I think there were two HR&E city-funded units in Aspen Meadows. I'm assuming those are protected, too. No, no. They were 50% home. Yeah, we were 50%. I think they were 30% in the neighborhood then. Yeah. And so, part of it is, I think, you know, we've obviously been learning ourselves through the budget, and I think this is what I said to the board, is that I think we're, this is the first budget cycle where we're really comfortable. Now we know where the world is, we know where it's going. I think the message is, this is why you want to incrementally step when the rate increases every year, because it's easier to handle 1% or 2% on an annual basis than it is to handle a 4% or 5%. And so, that's why you want to stay pretty much in lock-staff with the tax credit rates and all of this, because it's just way too far. And so, yeah, we'll be evaluating it, but I think we have a lot of tools that are disposable in order to ramp people in there. And I think most of them, you probably won't get most of the leases come later in the year, I think. So it's not going to be a... Yeah, because a lot of them are in July. Yeah. Yeah, a lot of them, and I'll be honest, a lot of them are in July. Yeah. So I just want to say, now, I know I attended these meetings, and you have explained very, very well what's going to happen. I guess, and I've understood it very well, and I know that you said it's up to 4%, so some of them may actually be at less than 4%. And you've explained that as well. When it comes to the actual time that they signed, there'd be some that may have said at that point, but you have done very well in explaining that over and over. Yeah. Yeah, I think what I'm going to ask you, I think I'd say this is an individual decision. I'd say that 10 problems. Yes. Because in a pretty overt of saying, you may have 4%, your neighbor may have 1%, and that's okay, because of where they're at. Because what ends up happening, and somebody goes, am I really only going to have 1% in my fortune, and there we go. Yeah. And so what we might want to do is videotape one of these, or videotape the session, and then have it on the website or have it for the residents where you all can start reminding them as we're moving forward. Or we add a page to our recertification letter that we already sent out, because that's when we do the lease, and have that as a second page. This is what your rent is projected to do, because we're just starting to write the research 120 days ahead of time. So that will give them a 3-4 month warning that this is coming, this is what it's going to be, and this is why. Maybe we record where we're going to go, here's where we're going to go to see what we're saying. That's a good suggestion. Yeah, yeah. So you've mentioned village place, you've got people from units. Can you elaborate on that a little bit more? What is it? What are some of these? AMI? AMI, basically. So somebody came to rent, and they only had 60% in it. I'm sure that the time is like, 30 may have been 30 to 40% AMI. They've put them in that 60% unit and just lowered the rent from the unit and then they can record it. And AMI is on the designated unit and not the... Right. Yeah, so you'll have 60, 50, 40, 30. Right. And somebody, Katie comes in and she's on 30% AMI person. They don't have anything available. They go, oh, we'll put you in a 60% AMI unit and lower your rent. Well, that's what's great. You can actually lower your rent. And other things. And now, there is a point where you need to... You may have to do that. But we need process to really consider, you know... I mean, and this was an issue we're getting into with that property. I mean, we were seeing it. But this is a point where if a situation comes up where if we have a 60% AMI unit that's been vacant for two months, it may make sense to actually put somebody who's a 40 or 50% in there because you're managing your income into the property. But those decisions have to come up into Kendra, Lisa, and myself and Molly, because it works if you're doing it intermittently. But when you do it holistically for the property, which is kind of what we saw, that's a problem. Yeah, you've got those miles. Yeah, because you want to make your income come in. But then when you do something like that, when you mark that position, when you have the 30% AMI unit come available, you move them in. I think when Sarah and I looked at it, there's only like 8% or something, 30% units, and we have like 30 households under 30%. So those other 22 people are in units that need to be full and higher rent, and they're not. One of the questions that comes up because all the one bedroom apartments in here are the same square foot. And the rumors go crazy that some people are paying hundreds of dollars more now than what I've been here 10 years. I'm not paying what they're paying, which I don't feel guilty about doing what I need to do. But I can understand, it's one of those points where the residents don't quite get it, like I'm going to get slammed with hundreds of dollars members. And that's a little, why is somebody paying and explaining that whole AMI situation like Erlene said, including that issue about square foot might be another piece because it isn't based on square foot. It's based on AMI. And that's one of the things that every time I get it, I have to clarify it. It's obviously in the year you moved in with the rental rates for that year or what happened in such special years. Yeah, yeah. But I'm glad to see the 4% and the top at this point because basically we could have done 4% for the last three years and we wouldn't be this far behind. But we couldn't do it because of, you know, lack of information basically. And when we were in the board meeting, I think it was Tim indicated that the board did approve a rate increase. I wasn't, we weren't involved then. And the board made a proof that we can't see that the angle in it. So... 2018, it looks like it did go in and there was some for 2020 but with COVID and everything, across the board we cannot see where it was rolled out. Yeah, it wasn't rolled out. I think the 2018 was because we had just stepped in. So 2020, 2020. Oh, we couldn't count on the numbers before. This has been right when Julian was leaving. No, this was before. Because it was before. Yeah. Yeah. Because when we got there, I was working with a bunch of the tenants concerning the raise that had just come into effect. That was 2020. Yeah. So there was, I think, 2018 I think was the last increase. It's the last increase I got. Yeah, we can. Maybe then I was still dealing with it. Yeah. I think we got right in March of 2020 and I think it kind of balanced it. Yeah, we can, but we can't see it in there even back to 2018. And so, you know, it is what it is. You can't, you know, you can't get back together for, I don't think. Yeah. We're in a decent spot. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, it explains the revenue issues. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you can start seeing the, you can start seeing the desk volume. Right. Right. Fouchers, a zero better, but increased to 1,000, 2,000, 4,000, so far one better. So we were losing out a lot in the suites, which the suites has a lot of the biggest businesses out of Wazoo. Yeah, at least that approved or should we work with them? So mental health, mental health pays the correct amount, right? But they are supposed to pay the correct amount. Mental health has to pay the correct amount. So you know, we approve it for both LHA, MN, and MHP vouchers. Can you speak, have the notices gone out? For the suites? To the tenants regarding their percent increase? No. Because we've been educating them at copying conversations. And then I figured this month we'll get a notice out after we kind of do that educational piece with copying conversations. When do we have to get that notice out, Kendra? Sculptivation. Yeah, so we could probably get String Creek, Fall River. I think we could go ahead and do Village Place because in that meeting we didn't talk about specifics, but we did talk about a rent increase, and then we can back it up. And I don't need to stay there for copying conversations. Without you. Without me. Yeah. I can let them know that we're going to catch on at the last couple of conversations. Yeah, so I think we can. Absolutely. It's tomorrow. Tomorrow here? Yes. Okay. Yeah, I wouldn't give them out this week because we've already done the lodging personally. Hey, I'm Kendra, Gina has a question. I have a concern that it may not be a concern anywhere, maybe you might know, that whenever we had an increase before it had to be a 60-day notice for Boulder County Housing. Did that change? If there was somebody on Boulder County Housing vouchers. The voucher holders' rents won't change with this lifetime increase. Oh, okay. This is those who are paying their rents. Yeah. Their own rents because the voucher, vouchers are separate. All right. They'll be 30% of their gross aid. All I'm saying is that when we had, you know, effective January 1, blah, blah, blah, we had to let Boulder County know. The managers do that separately on a separate form when they do their rentals. They have to do the form that goes into each house in the 40. Okay. And that, my concern, if we've got somebody in January, yeah. Those are the priorities for our rentals. All right. Awesome. Okay. Just, you know, one of those negative things. And just so you know, they're, we've talked to them about white paper and all of these processes so that we have standard procedures and they're building a manual so that you know, you know, last week I was sitting if we were already, obviously that didn't happen. But if, you know, but if something occurs when you have transitions, there's literally a manual for somebody to go to and pick it up so you don't have kind of what we got into where we're like, where's this? What's this? It's going to be packaged up for anyone to come in and just pick it up. So, you know, you know, you know, anybody coming in and just go? Yeah. Well at least the correct me if I'm wrong but I think the certificate is correct. There are some new components in that in the budget. LHA has added a police component to our budget. We will be contributing a percentage of pay to the city of Warmont's police position and that's Sarah's position to assist with all unfortunate needs of our properties including evictions. But if anybody has got that I think what we did is you know what we're fighting is sorry, we were using Sarah a lot. What? And in many ways we were you know, Sarah was giving overtime doing all these things and I needed to balance it out on the police side. Sorry about that. It's allergies. Yeah. Yeah. We're balancing it out on police and so what we did to put this position should come in part of it is to help Lisa with the evictions because it was getting more and more difficult for me to help Lisa with evictions. You know, there were after her significant eviction at Fault River I think the next time we did it Eric was able to get some time for me to do it. So it's really going to tag team somebody with Lisa in this. It's also to help Molly and I a little bit with some issues that Lisa can't handle because of her workload and so she also does crime-train multifamily housing so we're sort of bringing the housing components generally. She'll still work for Zack but also work for me and so Zack and I talked a little bit about this and what we're doing but what we're going to be able to do is then backfill position in the police so that we can put someone on the streets maybe bring someone else up to the world at least in the community or anything but Zack and I are working on this but we were using her so much it just was I have a backfill and this will give us more regularity and certainty in terms of you know what Sarah can do and how she can help us. But how much of the salary percentage in America? What was the number that we put in Lisa? $6,000 $6,000 it's like alright we're not going to sell Kendra Rose number yep okay don't have to see anything can I do I have $66,000 $6,700 is that just the salary piece? I'm just looking at whatever the consultants law enforcement might have that would be that that's Anne salary was in right? it should be yes alright I think that's about right because I think it was through the salary it's about 70% that's 60% so we're going to I'm dedicated or is it and it has the databases um dedicated I'm actually that's where Zach and I are working to try to find other funds maybe just fill it completely and then it becomes yeah $66,000 yeah so step one I'm a police officer is um that would have filled it in 22 in 23 it's $70,632 so in all it's $93,000 you know fully burdened yeah and so you know we've got a third left that we've got for a man and so Zach and I are trying to figure that out yeah or we get it in step one just because we always have step one exactly from 6 to 12% that is city standard where you will at least get a number first one is is that the surveys that we're getting only like 6 or 7 have to be surveys so you could have something really high one year and then really so it's just not a very turning so we've been included in those surveys to see exactly where everybody falls um utilities are increasing at an average of 5% um and that's across the board um insurance is increasing what we did find out we had our insurance company kind of say like for our market because we had been increasing um insurance for the businesses and I found that last year so we did agree some of it last year is that our insurance amounts were a lot lower than what we built it for that standard practice should be around $200 per square foot and several of our properties were under that Village Places were probably under that so we're incrementally increasing them to get them sustainable that we didn't have much of a loss we have so we do have insurance increasing and I just found out yesterday that Rivers loan reached out to carry our exact same to get a letter of several insurance folks was for the sweets but most of what we're seeing is they were from 45% that reserve so that we may like to see So Kendra I have a question which kind of goes along with that several of the places do not have a meth reserve or have got some improvement reserve um and there are places that I'm pretty sure have meth problems with them is that coming out of reserve replacement or are we just going to eat that somewhere in the budget so you can have a meth unit necessarily something replacement because we've seen I'm sure other health authorities are seeing the exact same thing that they think and then we're going to be trying to pay for these What did you say the meth um the Dr. Polo's for the insurance It's 5,000 5,000 2 Yeah it usually you know but if you have 5 units that all clean it's going to add up eventually So with the insurance renewal did we bring up like a casting of meth on a renewal of a lease And then our concern are those companies we have to go down I just think we've got to work with them and figure it out what you Molly did Molly and Katie went on a tour of the facility in Denver and it looks like the company in New Zealand is marketing their meth detectors now they're marketing their meth detectors there's actually a few companies in New Zealand Australia which is interesting that they're really probably leading back in terms of this work and so with the group in Denver and Molly I think they were trying to figure out how we can what does it get either demonstration detectors or get them to come to the US and talk about what they're doing So they're tamper proof they're obviously more complicated and it goes to each individual unit they're $500 for a unit but you know the reality I mean they're expensive but the reality is you know you say you want a full remediation of a unit and you're positive basically and we may look at the insurance companies and see if they want to split it or do something I just wanted to mention I asked our employee how those and we were approached by a company and Cameron because the same owner fits a different month about putting those in our units and you know she requested a lot of paperwork like show me how sensitive they are how they work and she wanted all this like data backing it up backing up the claims before we committed to paying $500 a unit and they weren't willing to do that information and they weren't willing to do a pilot program either so that our staff could test the sensitivity because you know there's a big difference between a residual detecting a residual amount and then detecting the actual use and then you know she was saying that there was other instances where whatever proof because we did not have any luck with testing out those master detectors and this might have been a couple of years ago but I talked to Amanda about it and it's more about the information and just my now what you should be asking for that we were able to get let me know that would be a great part of what we may think about doing is buying a couple and seeing police and in our in our evidence area where we do things with hoods to kind of see what would trigger and then again I could probably go over to Sarah to come in and help us look to see not to give them dissertation on that but the problem is the chemical components could change and so it's understanding can it really register all the chemical components so they ask the minister you know this ask the minister your apartments is not having that just due to the type of a reserve replacement do you think some of us take one right when you partner so on the the reserve replacement calculation how are we budgeting for that if we haven't done like reserve studies without understanding the lodge and the first stone you said with all that reserve studies what the needs are Lisa you said that you were going around with your maintenance folks too to see what is the need are you going out like long term to see and dollar wise how much you're going to need for that sort of thing some of that came to play for the budgets this year so we did our first when we had our second schedule for this year but due to help us go what we need on each of the properties we would have the story to solve what we had a lot of our grounds needs a lot of co-work that and so we were able to start getting quotes start getting those into the budget between and then this year beginning of next year to get some of that stuff covered but you were looking at like roofing also yes I live on a room sideways that's cleaning property windows putting some of these capital needs assessments we had that into play too and it really helped Kendra and I with these budgets this year and are we are you comparing that to what the reserve replacement is or just to see if we're going to be close or we're underfunded or we're funded well the reserve replacement we have no we can only request to use funds from but the the capital improvement is what we're building based on some of those that won't be covered by the reserve replacement correct because it should work adding like example if we wanted to take the whole challenge to rock that since we're completely we're not replacing with the same thing we can't use yeah we're going to have enough reserve replacement built up to support that really yeah we're going to have to come out of other games and I do have some of this Kendra actually on a spreadsheet that Cameron was working on from the same when I started and we've added some things to it that they kind of gave me a life span of each of the items so we may be able to work on that and then I just would just give a fair mark of some of the stuff that we've got to purchase it so you do within teams or jays using teams it's more straight you know a list of everything that you have things that you need to purchase and so that when you purchase let's say you buy a case of lightbulb two cases of reserves once you say that you purchase one it should automatically send like an alert to somebody to order a new one and use full school without having to purchase it's it's an inventory and I think you already you already has an inventory system that that I believe we have we have a module I don't think we're using it yes we're cheating this I didn't see that they can credit our business but I think section in the maintenance too does that work so we're cheating because they were asking for increases usually we budget a pretty high so we can start it based on the two things based on the two lots of specialists so we're trying to get that budget a little closer so this is for you're going to see utility expense for right office 40% from the office so let's go back and close to direct unless unless the board or somebody goes just because of whatever you know but we'll actually go through and do all the increases I think we have to do that anyway because of our world so so the L.A. General Fund is on a new projection and we get those on the groceries as long as we're collecting I'm going to get percentages on there was a small portion of the paid developer fee that we should have gotten for Christmas did we get that I'm going to say an email but I didn't know if we yeah I know we got paid like the like special limited partner fee but there was also another chunk of the paid developer fee that we should have gotten paid that we did directly from the title company okay yeah I just want to make sure we got it so that's what it is but the reason it's just for the ship it's similar to the L.A. General Fund though so at that point Kendra did talk about the fact that we for H.C.D. voucher holders we don't budget the full amount for those individuals because they're portable that's also a cushion for us in terms of the operating revenue because that typically makes up so why we don't have pure financial why we're not and the negative in some properties is because it's vouchers that we're bringing in so we're overcoming that so here's my Reverb Red revenue and here's my Reverb Red PC General Fund we are using is probably interest that comes in but the admin expenses literally it's going to have also some audit expenses that they have for so I know you talk about this dissolving is there any idea on when this is going to The attorney is working on the approvals right now. Part of it we didn't have to chat about Village Place because Village Place is owned by LHGC and moving that around before the recidivation is a little sticky. So we're not going to, we're going to do the recidivation and the recidivation of the, that will be what moves it over into LHAs simply similar to what we've been doing here. So then that leaves Spring Creek Ball River with the attorneys working on Lodge and Marstow that's still working with the Hive in the 202. We kind of had to get through this audit that we have applied to, I guess, have them have the confidence that we can operate it and I think we're just, have we gotten the letter yet? No, we should be any day now. But when Molly and I met with the guy that was leading the audit, we did a lot better than we did before on Lodge-Arstown. Actually, he told us in that, that, so we had a fail when we first took it over. And he said, the only reason he got points is because the building in Lodge was in good shape. If you had had issues with the building, you probably wouldn't have any points. That's how bad it was. And so I think we're going to be much better. I think that'll help us. And then that only leaves, I think that's it. There's an overland. So that's the one that, that's the one that we're going to talk about in the project. And that'll convert over to the other one. So, time issues are going to be cut and it's going to be the recent occasion of Village Place. I think Village Place will be, that was a question I had for you eventually, but was, that'll be the longest. So that's talking about life tech closing next, the end of next year. So everything else could happen long before that Village Place is kind of happening. Yeah. I'm sorry, I have to leave at 10.30. Yeah, this ends at 10.30. So we're going to have to. I wanted to move up the fraud thing so I could. I just have one more, they do have to use some of their funds. I did have one question on the, so it looks like on the summary page that the vacancies are we using 96% on that? Have we been at 96% or it looks like we're averaging about 92, 93%? Yeah. We'll worry about that. Okay. So 4B, LHA advisory board improvement. Yeah, speed is being gone. As you all know, the application comes up on October 19th and it will close on November 30th. And the LHA board of commissioners need to do their deliberations on December 10th. So we need to have this board have their recommendations in by December 6th, which is a Tuesday. Currently, there's nine applicants and the interviews either need to happen on Thursday, December 1st, Friday, December 2nd, or Monday, December 5th. So I guess what would you guys like to schedule in with Molly and LHA staff to do those interviews? So it's me and Jean, right? Correct. Well, that's right. Okay. Yeah. Okay. So Friday would have to be in the afternoon. Okay. The second. Yeah. And then I'm going to be coming back next week. So we need to do Monday Friday. Thursday, Thursday at Friday. Thursday at Friday? Thursday morning and Friday afternoon. What? I was going to tell our lobby from Courtsville Living. I was trying to find the application. So somebody sent it to me and then did Friday. So Thursday because you know, I'm okay Thursday, but Friday I thought I wouldn't be available until after two. So maybe Thursday would be. I don't know. Okay. Okay. Okay. So I can definitely schedule for both. I can do Thursday for a longer period of time and then just maybe the last couple or Friday afternoon. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Maybe do it electronically or do it face to face? I just do it face to face. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think if you're trying to push the interviews into certain days, I would have the option for both because if somebody has a work issue, then that could be a problem. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. And I met you there. In front of you. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. So, you do the interviews at the same time or do all the interviews at the same time? Good. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Let's go down to number 10 for policy number six. So this policy as, I don't know if you recall, but in the admin plan there was a section on fraud that was the policy that was put into the admin plan. This policy is more for the staff, for the community managers, in the process of what we do when we find suspecting. So it's just, we wanted to make sure that all staff knew that we were responsible for detecting fraud and that there's steps that we need to take to verify it. And then what happens after it's verified? Ultimately, again in the admin plan it states that one of the consequences could be that we turn it over to the police department for investigation and this just says the whole thing. And it does state about confidentiality, what LHA staff needs to do to keep things confidential. Making the decision, especially with if we're going to send it to the police then it's really the executive director that needs to direct staff to do that. So where do we document that if we suspect anything of your place in the yard or in the file that was reported or what the actions are? So we've only, most of the ones that we have found so far, we've been doing to promissory notes and they're paying on a monthly and that's set up through the accounting. And that's tracked somewhat in your E but because the LHA can keep 50% of the payment and then the rest has to be fraud it has to be sent back to HUD. So that's done through accounting. There are two, one that has already been sent over. She's the one that was evicted from sweets and there's a bunch of meth down there. So there's going to be other things. There was some fraud under the project-based voucher program and that was sent over to the police department and then we've got one other one that worked. And these weren't just un-reporting income. It was forging documents from the courts or forging documents on the doctor. So like on the one, so Trisha comes and goes, here's what's going on. And yeah, we need to push this over. The one thing I need to finish is I had Eric go in and basically take everything to a CT and all the other issues kind of line it out and just kind of go through it and then be a letter. You know, we're going to go, here's my decision, here's this. And we're turning this over. And then she goes, no, we have to notify them. So charges are filed and that follows these people head throughout. So another step that I do is in PIC. So we have to run a background and it's through a government. It's a hide secure system. And so we put in the applicant's social security number. We get all of the IRS information on that. So what I do is I also go into that system and I'll say that they listen to me. And that stops them from getting any other assistance in place. So all housing authorities have to go into that system and pull those flowers. And it comes up with their social security. Yeah, that's our obligation to hide in these processes. And so there are a system, you know, the criminal pieces. It's also our obligation to anytime we see fraud to turn it over. And if we don't do it, and then they find that they've committed fraud in other agencies. And then they come to us and go, what did you see? And they go, yeah, right. Then we're trouble. So I mean, it's a generally HUD. I was telling them, I mean, I had on the CBG side, my last community of staff member at federal court case for about two weeks. Fort Chunk Reps, he was on that action, found it. Well, I made it a findings of the individual to fraud in multiple governmental agencies. On federal funds, it was related to Katrina. And that didn't work out being in a hurry. And of course, I got personal money. So, yeah, that's our obligation. And we don't really have a choice. And it doesn't. I don't import any like damages or anything from the properties. It's just all under the ACV. I think we also do that under the 202 since those are. Yeah, so Molly asked me to come for that. I don't know how much in depth you guys want me to go, but Zinnia is there. They are going tonight to get 100% fee waivers. They were administratively approved the 50% just based upon the project. And then in order to get more, they have to get that approval. So that will be determined tonight. But other than that, that project is moving forward as planned. They hope to close financial closing and start construction in the late spring or the summer. So with May, June. The money closes. They're hoping to buy the land from us before the end of the year. So they had to wait, obviously, for the plaque to be redone because you can't buy a land that doesn't have bound. They have to separate it before they buy it. So, so yeah, they plan to buy that before the end of the year. And then they'll pay back R, the city for their loan that they took out for that. Chrisman, nothing really to update there. That's going as planned on the construction. Hover, we put out the RP for development partner and development partner team. And they did responses. We did nine responses and we interviewed four. And we did select Penrose alongside their architect and general contractor that they recommended. So we just informed them about yesterday. And so, you know, the next step with that is kind of just getting a meeting and talking about next steps and, you know, what makes sense. So, but as far as like selecting somebody and getting that going, I think is a good, good first step. So that's what that is. Village Place, lots going on there. We just put out the RP for the architect, which is very timely. We hope to submit to CHAPA for the 4% application in the spring. And we really need the architect on board ASAP. So we hope to have them selected before Christmas. So, but yeah, that's really timely. We're working on the CNA still, which is important for the architect to see. So it's kind of all moving at the same time. But working with Sarah on all the things that we'll need for the application. We talked a little bit about the set-aside issue. What we're looking at is, like I said, I think we've talked about like 19 project-based vouchers in addition to a couple of housing-filled vouchers that are already in the building. We obviously, there's a process to go through with that. But then reducing the amount, 60% units, because there is quite a few there now. So reducing those, I'm sure, and those in 50% units to kind of match, better match the population. And then also the project-based vouchers will really help out with that issue there. And then getting WNC out. We did have good progress there. We thought we were going to have to find a third party to do a right-a-verse refusal trigger. They're in a lot of supply of interest, which is much less complicated. And I know I talked to Lauren about what housing-filled vouchers being. We'll do that, and they did consider that. So thankful for that. But also thankful we don't need it, because it's much easier for us just by the interest. So hopefully they'll be out of the deal by the end of the year, January. We want them out before we go into the 4% application. And that's kind of quick, because I know I don't have a lot of time here. I can touch on anything else if you want. I just want to mention, Molly, I know I offered to kind of put together sort of information that you had. And I just want to let you know an old step-dream that I haven't taken a whole piece off, because this is some conferences, and I know you could be the second. But I should have that to you by the end of the week. Can you call me by just the last thing that this is working well? It is. Yeah, and I should have spoken immediately that I want to acknowledge specifically Parlene and Harold and Lisa for pulling this together so fast. And it was amazing. And, you know, Thursday we'll have our second trip. I understand nine people are signed up. Oh, yes. And the fact that you guys pulled the team together and did it and worked with me, it was awesome. And I just appreciate not only that it's done, but you did it so smoothly and quickly. It's hard to do that in this environment. But I'm very grateful. And obviously a lot of people here are, too. I don't pass it on to Albert and Tim Holt because they actually did the contract for the work, too. And that's a great work. That was the piece. We thought we were going to have a purchasing issue and didn't move one, so. Awesome. Yeah, so they didn't move on. Yeah, please pass it on. A lot of people here are grateful. And I actually drove the first time, which was very, very exciting. I've done it all again this week, as long as it's true. Well, they said they got us a 20 passenger buses and a 12. One that we originally promised. Yeah. And that has made it a really great dinner, so. Yeah. And the inclusion of the other container bags. I don't have more of those. It's just awesome. Awesome. I got six more of those. That's a good one. We didn't have to completely reinvent the boat. But we currently work similar programs in Las Vegas. So we took our processes from before. Metaphea, kind of just implemented some of their stuff. And the canvas bags, I think, work perfectly. They're easily reversible. They don't take up a lot of space. Yeah. Yeah. Awesome. All right. Number eight, LHA report. The update on the operations, not the pins report. Not a lot of changes. We took a couple of minutes that are done off and a couple more. I hope you can see this. We do have a list over for that. It's helping. In my notes, you'll see that we pregnant. I love both the units. We've had movements, even from the kindness report at the end of the month to today. We had a movement yesterday. We're at the suite. So we are moving through. I'm giving these units re-occupied. It's been a slow term of units waiting on appliances. We're all here to pay. Well, you know, taking a unit out of the down unit to have an occupied unit to have a fridge or a stove by four models, whatever we can do to get through. But a lot of these units are now coming together. We're getting our parts in these units. I'm walking with maintenance. I'm doing these quarterly blocks, checking the units, quality control. So these units are going to be done and they're going to be done the right way. The only thing, and I think this is the kindra, the maintenance entity, too, is when we start seeing that a stove is not going to be available for three months, because that's the reality. But let's say there's one that's a step above. It's available now. We're going to need to start doing some financial calculations to go where we, you know, just getting the least expensive stove may not be the right answer if you can't get them for three months. So we're going to have to start being really creative and looking at the financial analysis on does it make more sense to buy one for $400 more because we're going to be able to recoup that money faster than what we're losing by having the unit vacate? And what we'll do is we'll do the village face recidivation. We did it with Aston Meadows. We stored 10 fridges, which really helped out. We used all the 10 fridges, but we did pour it back some stuff and didn't let them be recycled. So we'll do it again with fridges, stoves, microwaves, stuff like that, so we have them on hand, just in case it's happening again. For property updates and via shuttle, which said going great, a lot of good feedback from the residents who have participated. Talk to some village face residents who did not take part in the first one, but they're planning to go this week because this week is the Walmart, and that's what everybody was like. They really want to get to those Walmart's. And we are having a clear shuttle in December for a special shopping trip for them. And in terms of like evictions in that, is it still the two weeks? Three weeks? Or is it four now? We're not actually, but we haven't had any for a few weeks. We are seeing that slow down. We are working with a few right now, eRAF, which is the rental assistance, trying to get them rental assistance so we don't have to go to evictions. But we have those on the back burner if they cannot get funds. But we're now actually just a handful going multiple months of rent. Nothing in the thousands like we were seeing earlier this year. I think we have one pending use, two pending use cases at two different properties, but the residents have kind of quieted it down, not causing an issue, so those are on the back burner too. But nothing, no, nothing on my court schedule for the rest of the year so far. But that doesn't really slow down. No evictions pending either. All grant evictions have to be in place. The first letter says... So you mentioned that it's fees or fines. I mean, are a lot of these out there on receivables, is it damage to the units that we're trying to collect? So like the Espen Meadows neighborhood over 90 is $44,108. Is that just one unit? Me later? Go up to the property financials. I think you're on mute. Did I click a button? I'm sorry. I do think now that I need to start looking at those vacancies and monitoring them closer to know, you know, are they ready? Sorry, say that again? The generation we had before the PCM was supposed to pay for that, so we are reimbursing the large money for that so that will probably bring us up and down. Everything's pretty good as far as... I did a lot of what Lisa said for the budgets in 2023 and reviewed the budgets in 2022 to say, hey, we have extra funds that are running now and we haven't spent in certain areas. So, you know, if you need a key machine, get a key... Actually, I think it's Fall River. If the students come here now, does anybody have questions? We're staying pretty steady around... We just can't seem to get to that 420 number. Like, we have it. We have people that have issued vouchers, but we can't even refer kids to that number. We have people coming off. I know that proactively now we have another big waitlist to start working through mine, and they sent like 20, 25 letters and like only maybe six people responded. So, and that was off our old waitlist. Not the new waitlist for the people that actually came in. So, I don't know if Tracy's probably already left, but trying to get bigger is just... It's a little hard. People can't find places. But we did, and I don't know if that was in this one or in the last one, but we did go to... We did have the commissioners approve for us to go to 105% of market. So, we will start doing that. We're going at 100% of market rent, but we can go to 105% to maybe assist more families with being able to voucher. That was in our community happen this last... last council meeting. So... That's cool. So, we just actually have people out there who are not really willing to do the voucher process as far as the public goes? Yeah, you know, some of them may have already left. Some of them, you know, is our last waitlist. We had a lot of stateers, you know, and they may not have... And I can't speak to who it was all reached out to, but I know that 200, we exhausted that 200. And so, we're now looking... Are you talking about properties? Yeah, they're just not willing to do this. I mean, that's a guaranteed income to a certain point. I think there's something that are... You know, right now it's an interesting time because the interest rates can go up, but you tend to see more people living in a little world where some efforts can help. So, I think that's a pressure that's impacting the voucher right now and that rental rates are going up because there's not a demand. And so, typically, you know, I think what we were seeing a year or so, what we were seeing about a year ago is more people were interested in it because the vacancy rates were lower. And, you know, I think it'll be interesting to see what we get more of these units coming online. And what that does is the overall vacancy rate in the community, and does that create more interest? I mean, the world is wacky right now. It's kind of hard to understand. You know, we've talked about getting people into a restricted units and the impact of the economy and inflation and what that's having. So, I think you have all of these factors in play to where someone may find something, but then because of the inflation and the cost of living in Colorado, they choose to have one somewhere else. I mean, there's so many different variables. It's hard to really put a point right now at least in my mind. Well, another thing we probably need to circle back with and I'm going to talk about Tracy in the next couple of weeks is because we can't seem to get over the 400 mark, even though we have people issued vouchers, they just can't find stuff or they're getting extensions, is that we take in the plans, we make those our vouchers, so we can voucher up. So, we currently have 10 vouchers that are pulling vouchers right now that we could absorb and those would become our vouchers and we would report them under us. So, I think we need to probably come to that determination that we need to probably absorb those vouchers to Tracy to make sure she hasn't reached out to much new people and they're going to send an update from the director. I think I've covered most of my issues in this conversation, so I'm good. And I've got me and I've got Tracy. Yes, well, any other business? Did we talk much sort of about extending this to the bottom? Yeah, obviously. Yeah, let's do it. It's starting to be similar. Let's do just number eight. Two hours. Two hours. Yeah, third? We're on the third middle, right? No. It started in, if you look at the minutes, it's starting to set our goal. The minutes stay second to Tuesday. The seconds stay second to Tuesday. No. Because we're on the fifth. We're on the third halos. Yeah. We need to the second. We have quarter commissioners will start meeting on the third. So, I mean, I can't meet the 20s. We are scheduled for the 13th that we go on December 2nd is the 13th. All right. Do you want to do it? Is that on the second or the other? No. Yeah, it's going to be decided. Yeah, that's it. Yeah. Right? Right. You can see one down here. I think I'm good. So, that's what quarter did. It's going to be the second Tuesday instead of the third. Okay. Until what? Maybe two hours. Yeah, let's do it for two hours. I don't think we've finished an hour off. Maybe it's better to buffer the more time it ends early than to go over. Yeah. And that's another surprise next month. We'll do that one. All right. That's adjourned. That's 10.49. Bye.