 actions to report from the closed session. So Holly, if you go ahead and take the role. Director Ferris. Here. Director Fouls. Here. Director Moran. President Swan. Here. Director Henry. Here. You're seeing pretty busy over there. Are there any additions or deletions to the open session agenda? I have none. Okay. This time we'll have the formal communications. Anybody wishing to speak on something not included in the agenda for tonight? May so speak. Okay. So check okay over there? All right. Okay. We've got unfinished business. Item 10A. Item 10A is we're kicking off today the new district website. We are in transition of getting it to come up when you log in. I'll turn to Stephanie and let her give us just a real quick overview. We're not going to really get into it, but our new website is very close to open running. We are in transition. Yeah, so I guess I don't know all the technical terms, but I guess when they switch over the DNS. DNS. It takes sometimes about 48 hours for it to transition off of what it was to what it is now. So hopefully, you know, by this weekend that'll be occurring. But in general, this is the new district website. It's got some nice quick button features for some of the most common things that people go to. It's got the drop downs to get you to some of the other different key areas. There's now a district spotlight section. So this is where whatever the most current news is will be filtering through. You can go and click to see, you know, you all knew so you can get a full directory of everything. The district Facebook link, calendar, link to local weather, similar to the old website, you know, we have some quick links down below that you can get to. But in general, we encourage people to definitely go and, you know, check it out. Some of the cool new features can put a little bit more control on the individual's hand. So notify me. So this is where customers can go and enter in your email address and you can sign up to get alerts for when an agenda's been posted, when the minutes for that agenda's been posted. And then that way you can kind of go in and subscribe or unsubscribe yourself from as much or as little information as you want to receive directly. I was just going to note that I'm going to send an email out to all of the people on my agenda list to let them know about the link to this so that they will not miss out on any agendas that are coming up. I encourage people to go and check it out. Congratulations, Stephanie. Great job. I do want to say a lot of work and effort went into the design and the implementation of the website project by the Director of Finance and Business Service, Stephanie Hill. Stephanie Hill, she used to be commended for her effort in heading up this process. She kept the department heads moving on track, getting our sections done and fool out extra time into this project. Yeah, that's obvious. If anybody's been involved in a website migration, it is a lot of work. This was even more work because of the age of the technology that is currently being used on our old websites. So the staff has been just a phenomenal job here. This moved along in about six, seven, eight months somewhere in that time period. It was about a year ago that we actually improved what are going forward in this, and by the time that the contract is done and all that, it's about seven or eight months of implementation. This is lightning speed for this kind of a heavy lift moving from where we work now. And we're hopeful that this has really good benefits for our community in terms of being able to stay in touch with us, get information about what's happening. You guys did a great job. Congratulations. Champagne. Oh, broke it. I broke the bottle. Sure. Any comments? Well done on the website. Bruce? Thanks. I'm Bruce Holloway from Boulder Creek. I just tried to take a look at SOVWD.com, like I have for years. And I've got an iPhone, so it says, Safari cannot open the page because too many redirects occurred. It's in the transition, so they may be... So, Bruce, the DNS servers, when you move from one IP address to another, it takes about 48 hours for that to happen, and we're in the middle of that right now, so you're going to get some weird messages while that transition is occurring. Okay. Sorry about that. Okay, and then the other thing I was going to say was before I left the house, I was trying to... Also, it's a record packet, and they wanted me to install something, so it started down an install pathway. Anyway, I'm confused. Give it a little bit of time. I think that was the song. Any other comments? Okay, moving on. Item 10B. Yes, item 10B is a swim tank's replacement and potential acquisition of the Nicaria property located on Dundee Avenue in Ben Lohman. This is APN07823305. We have statless two reports we're going to do. We're going to do a PowerPoint, if I can get it to fit on the page, and then we have the writ report that's in your agenda packet. The board appointed property negotiators, district manager and district council. So the district council and myself will be giving this report. I'll start with the actual PowerPoint. I hope that will somewhat fit. This slide is the existing swim tank's location. We have two redwood tanks at this location. It's a 96, the lower one I do believe is the 9600 gallon tank, and the upper one that you can kind of see directly behind the lower one is 10,000 gallons. As you can see, they're located right off of that Country Club in Dundee. This is the existing location. Again, this is the upper tank. This is where the district's current project of reconstruction of the tank would be. That tank would be removed. Those redwood trees would be removed. There would be significant grading, and a new tank would go at that location. That's the lower tank. You can see that it's on stilts because of the steep topography. This is the tank that the district some years ago lined. It was leaking pretty bad. We went in there with a hypolyne liner and lined the tank. Rick, when you do that, that stops the leaks. It stops the leaks but also starts the decay process, starts dry rot and so forth. There may even be a slight little lean to that tank since we put that liner in showing signs that it's reaching its life expectancy. That's for sure. Normally, it's anywhere from five to seven years, and you're going to want to replace the tank. It's short-lived. These are the construction plans. The state of our existing site is what you can see there, the grade, the tank. There's a series of retaining walls to go in. There's a large flight of stairs that go up from Woodland, Metro Club area, up to the tank and pump station. These are the plans that we actually went out to bid for a couple years back. We've said that construction plans would show the tree removal and grubbing and cleaning of the site, considerable amount of tree removal and grating. These are the design of the new retaining wall structure. There would be 13-foot retaining walls on three sides of the new tank at that existing tank site. It's a very extensive retaining wall system for that tank. It also limits the size of the tank that we could put there, just because of the topography and the steep drop-off into a drainage channel on one side of that tank. How many gallons would that be? I do believe that's 64,000 gallon tank right there. This is the property that we're talking about tonight. It's a starting property. Its size is roughly 6,534 square feet. That is the proposed tank location in the parcel that we've been in negotiations with Mr. McCarty. You can somewhat see that the tank site is relatively flat compared to the other tank site, and this is standing on the road, looking directly onto the property. It's pretty much right off the roadway, pretty flat. The steep gradient doesn't have the requirement to remove the six to seven hundred yards of material. It doesn't have the requirement to build those massive retaining walls. This is looking again at the McCarty property. I have a grove of redwood trees that we'll talk about more throughout the proposal. These trees would plan to be left in place, and we would have a project arborist on site during any type of construction activities if we were to move ahead on this location. Here's the site plan, just drawing our engineer survey drawing of the McCarty property, showing the trees, showing the rough location of the tank. I'm not sure that's the exact size of the tank. It's pretty close, but that was reused just to place the, to show us the placement of the tank on the property and how big, how many gallons would that be? I think that's the same as the other swim tank, 64,000, but we would want to put bigger in. That was just put on as a placeholder. How big do you think we would be? I'd like to go up to the 100, 120,000 gallon, if you could fit it on the parcel. We haven't laid out the actual tank and pump station yet. The two sites, side by side, the district existing site on your left, I'm sorry, we don't have a banner centered on the screen. You see the site on the left are two existing river tanks, and you look on the right is the McCarty site. You can see that the sites are very different, one is very steep, one is very flat. The existing site in the McCarty site comparison, the existing site, we have a limited water storage. We have a removal of nine redwood and oak trees. We have a steep, very steep embankment, a 34 foot stairway going up to the tank site. We have concrete retaining walls, 13 feet tall on all three sides. We're excavating approximately 825 cubic yards of material to put in a tank pad to construct the new tank. We have extensive erosion control because of the retaining walls and grating. We have increased construction costs with the retaining walls and the grating. We have a greater, much greater environmental impacts with the grating and the tree removal, etc. When you look at the McCarty site, we have increased storage for fire flow. We have minor hardwood tree removal, we're not removing the redwoods. The tank site is relatively flat. We have maybe some small, minor retaining walls on the backside of the parcel. Minimum excavation, minimal erosion control. We have reduced construction costs and we have minimal environmental impacts. But keep in mind we have not done sequel reviews. We compared the environmental impacts of the existing sites as they're basically stone throw away. So we don't anticipate red-legged fraud. We don't anticipate Jim be able to do some of the more problematic issues. So we get into the alternatives now. Tina, do you want to speak about the alternatives? Do you want to take questions from the board before I... Sure, however you would like to proceed. Does the board have any questions? At this point, from the slides tonight, again, I apologize if I'm not on the screen. I don't get it, but we were today. Does the board have any questions at this time? Good. Well, as co-negotiator with the district manager for this property acquisition, I'm going to provide just a brief recap of what's happened with the negotiation process and what the alternatives are going forward. There were a number of communications mostly between I think Mr. Nakari and the district manager related to the property I was brought in. As co-negotiator at some point in the fall, we met with Mr. Nakari. These efforts culminated in an offer letter to Mr. Nakari. That was sent on January 30th. A copy of that is in the agenda packet as attached with F. The district received no response to that offer letter before it expired. After it expired, the district received a letter from Mr. Nakari indicating that he was no longer interested in selling the property to the district. At about the time this agenda packet was being finalized, the district manager received a call from Mr. Nakari, re-engaging in negotiations. There were discussions of prices, $85,000 was proposed, and then I believe that was increased back up to $90,000. Then we received right after the agenda packet went out a written, we requested during that call a written response to the offer letter that had been sent on January 30th. We received back a written offer seeking $88,000 down from the $90,000 that had previously been requested and requests for a number of non-monetary terms. And copies of that letter had been provided to the board and they may have already been picked up by folks in the audience. If there are people in the audience who are interested, please share them. So we have Mr. Nakari's camera offer that he provided on Friday after the board packet went out. And we also have a draft responding offer that's been provided to the board members and to the public if they want to take a look at it. That was prepared after the agenda packet and the deadline. So I just want to present a few different alternatives that the board could choose to pursue going forward. The first, yes. Did we talk about the appraisal that we had done? Is that going to be covered in the next section? Well, it is in the board packet. Could we? Yeah, we can talk about that. Yeah, we'll be going through the three alternatives and going deeper into the material. I mean, I get that it's in the packet, but not everybody has the packet. And also for the community TV, I think it would be worthwhile to go through some of the numbers. Okay. Well, the appraisal was done over the summer and the appraised amount of the property is $9,500. Thank you. Yeah, that is the fair market value according to the property appraiser that the district retains to take a look at the site. Which was Frank May. He's done a lot of work in the area. That's correct. Frank May is an appraiser that's been done work in the valley and for quite some time the district had used it before certified obviously appraiser. And he did the comps. And in the packet there is a full appraisal, a property appraisal with comps and so forth in their packet. Just for full disclosure, about 25 years ago my wife worked for Frank May for a brief period of time. So it's been a while. Well, maybe I should get into the alternatives from here. Yeah. Okay, so the first alternative that we presented to the board for consideration tonight is to continue with the efforts that have been ongoing for about six months to require a lot of the negotiated sale. As it states in the agenda packet, as you can see in attachment F, the last written offer to Mr. Nakari was for $75,000 with a number of other terms that were based on the district's consideration and Mr. Nakari's concerns and what the district was prepared to do in connection with the sale of the property. I think it's fair to say the district feels like, or at least we as the district's negotiators feel like we're at a crossroads here. The price is getting quite high and we still haven't reached an agreement on the non-monetary terms. And so we're finding ourselves in an impasse situation. That said, continuing with efforts to acquire the land in negotiated sales, the pros of that are that, you know, clearly a negotiated sale would maximize the benefits of the parties. The cons are what I just said. The efforts today have been unsuccessful. It's unclear whether an agreement can be reached. And the last sentence here in the board packet that we haven't received a written counteroff or that clarifies the seller's non-monetary demands, that course is now out of date. We did receive a written offer. It has been passed out, but there continues to be a lack of agreement on the non-monetary terms. The second alternative presented for the board's consideration is to initiate steps to acquire the lot get eminent domain. I think folks have a pretty good idea of what this is, but this is the legal power of a public agency like the district to acquire property for public use by paying the owner just compensation based on its fair market value. The amount of just compensation can be set based on negotiation or if necessary by litigation. This approach very likely would result in a lower acquisition cost of the district and, importantly, unencumbered title, and it would move the process forward. We may never be able to negotiate a purchase on terms acceptable to the district so this would provide another way to proceed. The cons of eminent domain, of course, is high transaction costs. The district would incur legal fees. Best guess, you know, in the order of tens of thousands of dollars. And the district would have to pay costs such as the owner's cost to obtain an appraisal of up to $5,000. It involves a number of steps. It won't be done right away. It is dependent on completing our mental review process as are all of these alternatives. The third alternative presented for the board's consideration is to re-solicit construction vis-à-vis the existing swim tank site. And do you want to address that one? Yeah, we don't believe that that is a good alternative to go back to the old site given the amount of work that we've done and determine that the Anacari site meets and exceeds the needs of the district and we can increase the storage and it's a much better site all the way around. It's a lot less environmentally intrusive to the neighborhood. There's very few trees to come down versus the larger amount of registries on the existing site and the steep topography and the amount of work. And there is a cost savings by going to the Anacari site as well. What were the numbers on the existing site that we had estimated? Where the bids came in? I don't have those numbers in there. The estimate savings was probably close to 300,000. We do have main extension to put in to get up to the new tank site. There is a significant savings to the district. And the original bid was sort of like a million and a half and the original estimate from the engineer was about half a million. Correct. Good news about good economy is it's a good economy, the bad news is the builders are all busy. The existing site is a difficult construction site. It's a difficult area to work especially when you're moving that kind of material a large yardage. Smaller vehicles, smaller trucks one main road, it's blind corners. There's much more impact on the community on that other site on that existing site. That's correct. One of the difficulties in putting exact dollars and cents on all of these things as you're well aware is that the engineering isn't complete on the new site. It hasn't been bid. Environmental review isn't complete. So it's hard to really pin it down eminent domain also because it's a bad process in terms of how much it would cost. But Given your firm's experience and what's kind of a minimum number on it eminent domain? A minimum would be in the $10,000 to $50,000 range. What are you referring to in perspective? It's hard to say exactly. I mean if we could reach a negotiated deal that would be faster than eminent domain but we can't reach a negotiated deal eminent domain will move it forward in a matter of some months. Of course, we've got a complete environmental review either way. So that adds time before you can either close on an agreement or complete an eminent domain acquisition. So that's the environmental review making one of the most significant factors time factors either way. But I think it's fair to say one of the district's concerns with some of the terms that are proposed on the offer that's being negotiated is that they would create some constraints for environmental review and engineering that would be. That's correct. Well the last letter from Mr. Picari had further setbacks from property monitors at G1 facilities less storage, smaller tank fencing reduced amount of fencing that was to the point where it would impact maintenance and it would cause issues down the road. We could we came to agreement on some vegetation planting some of the the tree requests from the Project Arborist were excessive. Most everything that we put in was best management practices. Full road overlay where we believe that we follow the county's spec on the road over. That's pavement right on the trench lines. We could do a trench and slurry cover. And then the last the last letter from Mr. Picari had an additional that we didn't discuss before about the fencing and setbacks from our pump station 12 feet from the property line. It was getting to the point where we didn't have room on the parcel to do everything we needed to do. I mean we do have a recommendation staff does have a recommendation that the next slide that I think that I would like to have the board consider that the board direct the negotiators to make a last best final written offer which is alternative one and for the direct staff if not acceptable to proceed with alternative two which would be intimate domain now the highlights of the purchase offer that we would like to move ahead with would be a purchase price of $88,000. A project Arborist construction impact assessment and tree protection plan a wildlife friendly vegetation nut for trees and berry bushes fencing would be minimal around the tank but it couldn't be it would be eight feet out from the tank an owl misting box as part of our road and control the pump station enclosure would be a split face cement block fire resistant roof the trench line roadway paving County of Santa Cruz design which is best managing practices and how much of the road would be paid it would be the trench line or anything we damaged and then a slurry seal over the entire roadway very common in the county and a sequel review we feel that this parcel would much better fit the needs of the district it is much more than the appraised value but it has a construction value to the district to pass this tank side up at this point would not be recommended by staff we've done all the preliminary work and we feel this is the best location to relocate the tank we can put more storage on this parcel we can get closer to the fire flows we just don't have the room to put the fire flows in at the lower tank and we replace the tank we try to put it in at today's standards it's important to us that we don't go back and sometimes we can't do that sometimes we're limited on space like we are now at the existing swim tank side we just couldn't cut into that bank any further because we were either off our property or we were over under the drainage ditches it wasn't constructable so we had to go with what we could fit on that other parcel I don't want to encumber these operations and future operations with setbacks and requirements on fencing and so forth we don't have any other plans to install a tank in a pump station but I don't want to encumber changes if we change things around or something needs to be done with the pump station the setbacks I can't live with fencing we need room to get in and maintain our tank coatings we need to keep vegetation away from our tank vegetation close to our tanks they start to chew they cause issues it's a cleanliness we do a fencing that is we try to be architecturally sensitive and put a redwood type fence on the sides where people can see it there's not a lot of visual on this site because it is kind of a bowl it is surrounded with a lot of redwood trees it kind of sits in a bowl there's not a lot of visual impacts from this tank the staff is recommending that we move ahead with our last and final offer now we have a lot more information that we can go through in the staff report and obviously we'll answer your questions I'd much rather I like to answer the board's questions before we go to Nick I imagine Nick will address the board that Manny McCarty is here tonight and I don't know if Gina has any more that she would like to add to this staff report the oldest is burning your hands right now so he's got a question I don't really have a question I'm not joking no I feel like 88,000 I could live with that but none of the other items he wants they're that's up to us we need to have a bigger tank for fire flow we need to be able to get to the tank there are so many reasons to have the tank there and I would be willing to go 88,000 but I would not ever agree to all his different places so I don't have a question I just had a statement any other board questions I don't have any questions Gina do you want to add something no thank you I'm happy to answer any questions okay we have any questions right now yeah Mr. Nicari would you like to share your thoughts and I hope that you guys maybe give me a little more than 5 minutes and then we can engage back and forth if it's possible is that okay do you mind anything I say or give any answers to my questions we'll see what we can do that sounds very quick so I'll tell you the truth I'm not sure Rick you had said a couple times that you wouldn't want to be hindered by any stipulations that you agreed to as far as various items other than the price and I wonder when we make a contract what guarantees do I have your word and say well that's what we thought before but now we think this and once you own it you know I can't do anything about that what guarantees do I have that you will stick to various parts of the agreement without adding changes probably not as what I see right now I prefer counsel on that yeah I mean the main constraints on what the district can do with the site if they get it in fee simple without encumbrances or restrictions would be environmental review and engineering could I ask you a question sure I won't so if you bought a piece of property from someone would you want them to be able to tell you what you could do with that property after you bought it the lowest there are plenty of laws that prevent people from doing certain things those are laws that is my question no I wouldn't want that you're right however if a water tank was being put right across the street from your house wouldn't you want some guarantees that's my counter question isn't that true would you I would want a tank that provided sufficient safe quality water and water for fire flow I think that's what I would want my name is here and I would all like that what I was talking about in this is well first of all I just want to say that the appraiser you had that appraised it at $10,000 is for a non-buildable site so are you saying that for that $10,000 which you think is a fair price at first that you wouldn't build on the site and keep it non-buildable I don't think you can build on it I can't build on it but you can so it's buildable for the district and I have an appraiser that says that he thinks that he can find the appropriate comps and this guy is a commercial appraiser extremely experienced he's done for Big Creek and everything this guy is not your typical appraiser like Frank May and he says that yes it's worth a lot more than an unbuildable lot because the district has the right to build on it presently so as far as the appraiser that could go over $100,000 easily well you have never hired him no I haven't but he's in line to be hired as a second appraiser which I'm entitled to by law well close to the trees I'm talking about when you say you're entitled to appraiser by law you can actually get an appraiser done at any time as I understand it right now if you went into an imminent domain process then there's a process for when it happens but I think you could have gotten an appraiser done any time in the last six months I didn't because I'd rather negotiate directly with this board but I have supported and I think we've got a really good board in general and I would rather not go into all these extrapolated possibilities so if the time comes when I have to do that I will why other things other than the price is basically we live in a neighborhood and you folks all live in a neighborhood I want to maintain the integrity of the neighborhood we live in a beautiful natural environment I want to maintain the integrity of that we live in a peaceful area why can't the pump station be a little bit further away from the road so that it wouldn't have a negative impact I'm talking about preventing negative impacts to our neighborhood the tank size doesn't have to be 120 to be bigger than the 64 gallon it's going to be really tall and I don't see how you can fit it with 30 foot wide base and then two times 8 feet because it's going to be 8 feet on either side of it 16 feet so you've got 46 feet Mr. Parker here is on the side that has a 50 foot long side I mean that's put in like 3 feet from either side of the property line and right up against his property and it's also closer to the redwoods than a highly skilled arborist who I had consultations with and I sent a copy of it to Rick and I'm sure many other arborists would agree except for maybe the one in District Tires that it needs to be 15 feet away at least to minimize the possibility of damaging one redwood tree or two and then that goes through the root system and then you've got a really major problem taking out redwoods after you put in a tank that are right next to the tank and it messes up the neighborhood look and it messes up the neighborhood and no one is having the prostation it's going to be months of construction can I guess how long this would really take how long do your other tanks take to build and we've just estimated this one out there on three months and the minute we from the day we broke ground there's a lot to do yet and the sequel and this other thing and there's two parts of this there's the tank and then there's the main line the tank and main line I think we could do in a three month we can do the main line of the tank almost simultaneously it's not a big project for this piece of property because you don't have the massive grating and you don't have the massive tree work and is this tank coming in in one piece? the tank comes in in sheets and it bolts together the tank goes up in roughly two and a half to three days from to ground up very quick on the tanks what takes the longest would be the site work and the foundation the ring wall foundation and the tank goes up just overnight can I ask a question on the board if you wanted to the tank was going to go across the street from you that's going to lower your property value and the property value is of the neighbors if it's too big it's a benefit to the neighborhood it's too small of the neighbors I mean you have fire flow issues and you don't have fire flow in the neighborhood this is going to stop a fire a fire is going to happen and this will be there if the fire truck comes up and you think 120,000 gallons versus 80,000 gallons is going to put a fire out and I don't think so but you've got to consider we've got to live with that every day and I really regret even offering when you called and asked me if I would still consider that I should have said no right now really I wish this whole thing had never happened because then it could be at peace and I am not at peace my neighbors are not at peace now you guys are bringing harm to our neighborhood in a way you're trying to put too big of a tank on too small of a parcel for it and that's my feeling I agree and I'm glad that you have agreed to cover the whole road surface where you damage it I think that's fair you damage your friends property you take care of things in it and as far as the environment we all keep taking from the environment I don't want this thing to look like a skyscraper in the middle of our neighborhood you're talking about 24 feet tall that is too tall for that site and 30 feet is too wide not against water storage I think you know that but appropriately that's my feeling and I think most of my neighbors or all of my neighbors probably feel that way and I respect my neighbors I try to respect them and I care about our neighborhood so I don't want to see this harm our neighborhood that's what I'm asking the board I'm all forgetting more water up there I think most of us are but this isn't going to stop a fire because you've got such a large tank you've got to get out pretty quick I'm asking the board to be considerate of the neighborhood to be considerate of the environment and to stick to your word because too many times I've heard that deal with this water board and it's a new director so it might be a little different but dealing with the water board you'd better get it in writing and even then you don't have a guarantee and Lois, you know how to deal with the Long Pico water board messing up your road the Long Pico water board messed up my road that's what I heard you had an issue with the water board a line broke and drained all the water out of Long Pico drained all the water out yes, that happened I thought it was about the road I might be wrong I thought it was about the road but I might be wrong well, it undermined the road it got fixed and there was a nice bridge and that's the way it should be and that's all I'm asking the water district to care about our road that much and I think you can understand the importance of that well, our road was not drivable your road we're not talking about making your road undrivable it will be for the months that you're doing it because it's a one-lane road with so much more traffic than was there just several years ago Lois, please be considerate of our neighborhood you know what I feel like well, I'm not going to say what I feel like I'm sure you hear that Lois I really am because what I'm asking is to please be considerate of our neighborhood and you take that negatively no, I don't take that negatively I think it would be a good thing for your neighborhood I agree that we're wonderful I really think it would be a wonderful thing and to have more water instead of what, 64 gallons 64 gallons 64 thousand 64 thousand gallons 64 thousand gallons 120 is almost double the amount of water and I think it would be better for your neighborhood and we're going to have more and more PG&E issues and water problems when PG&E turns the water off it would really help if you had more storage there I agree on PG&E but Lois, let's say there's an appropriate lot for a house but do you think in a neighborhood like ours where they're all fairly small houses and it's appropriate to put in a 30 foot wide house that's 24 feet tall probably the county wouldn't commit that because it's not appropriate for the location I'm not against more water and I don't think my neighbors are doing something inappropriately large for our neighborhood I hope that the board can understand that with compassion and caring for our neighborhood we don't want to see our home values go down because there's some massive big tank right there we do want to see you just made a spark but you have a house with value probably for me to sell that and watch my house's value go down probably when I sell my house maybe more thousands of dollars by having that lot across the street for sale with it once you put the tank in my house's value goes down and I don't have that benefit you're making an assumption there are many assumptions being made here where's the lot in relation to your house as a right across the street not directly I'm directly across from Peter Parker here and it's the next lot up so if there was ever an earthquake or an office foundation that would probably kill my family that amount of water coming down on us so there is a risk to it but it's not a big one but it is a risk and so I am asking the district please be considerate of our neighborhood and to lower the size of the tank if you don't want to have the restriction on you then be considerate enough to offer a smaller tank that's more appropriate and I'm sure my neighbors agree with me on that I care about the neighborhood I've lived there for over 30 years and many of them have too we don't want to see it turned into a massive construction skyscraper like tank there I mean that's an exaggeration do you have any renderings or does anybody have any renderings of what this tank would look like the tank you're envisioning on the properties of you get some kind of a visual representation because it's one thing to say it's enormous and massive but what does it really look like in real life well the richest one we know they don't decide next to Mr. Parker's property the property is about 50 feet long and we know that 30 feet wide tank with an 8 foot fence around it comes out to 46 so that leaves 2 feet on either side from the property line and I don't think that's even it shouldn't be legal because you gotta have setbacks but the fact is that you're trying to squeeze in a tank that's going to jeopardize the neighborhood's values it's going to jeopardize the red looks because 15 feet is the minimum away from it it's going to be right up against other people's properties who probably don't appreciate that and I'm just asking you to scale it back a little bit so yeah we'll get more water it's going to save you hundreds of thousands of dollars hundreds, several hundred thousand dollars offering something very beneficial to the district and just asking in return since we have agreement on the price so far that we come down again it's not a reason to say really it's important to the neighborhoods you got elected as caring about people and I understand that you got to care about the water district but if it's going in our neighborhood please be considerate of our neighborhood scale it back a little bit that way you don't say I made it constraining I think we're in agreement on the wildlife friendly vegetation we've reached agreement on the road and we've reached agreement on the price the size of the tank is the last big thing in my opinion that would be harmful to our neighborhood 80,000 gallons even a little bit more than 80,000 gallons would still keep the neighborhood integrity better stop the loss of valuation on our houses and provide a lot of water to our neighborhood much more than we have now way more and everybody wins on that I mean you said you want more water up there I agree but I don't want to have a trier so that's my request I'm asking the district to please scale it back to where it's not butted up against my neighborhood or right up in my face every time I drive there we don't have a noisy pump station right beside the road those are just to me those seem like decent things to do and I ask the board to be decent and make decisions consider making it smaller please thank you any other comments regarding this issue anybody else checkwood from ben loman I live off dundee avenue I have for 22 years basically when I moved up there I bought the house for the area that it's in it's a beautiful area it's like a little step away from everything it's really with tons of redwoods all over anyway your pictures you showed on your presentation for the levelness of the property what you're not showing is when you stand on dundee and took that picture there's a difference of about four and a half five feet of a grade so you'd have to do some retaining wall work in there it's a one lane road up there and you're talking about putting this massive tank up there right now when it rains the water flows down dundee like anything like the center it's good because it flows in the center and it goes all the way down the road but right when we have the rain right now that's a large area up there that the water soaks in you're talking about putting a huge tank where does that water goes it's going to go down dundee avenue and cause more damage to our road than we currently have dundee is a private road we maintain it we pay for ourselves and the impact on that would be pretty great I feel with the water coming down the amount of trees you're showing an entrance from dundee avenue that's absolutely absurd because when you're out on scenic avenue you can go in there's a grove of trees that's separate you probably have like 12-15 feet to go through the center there instead of using access from dundee which is a private road you'd have to in order to enable parking and access from dundee you'd have to chew into your property more to give the people that live down that road driving instead of having it so squished in and as a result you're chewing up more of your property from your tank so all this stuff sounds good on paper but we haven't seen anything really as far as what the plans are for the road where the access to that is how we're going to deal with it and also to a pump station that's running 24 hours a day on the zoom in and when you turn from scenic on to dundee boom you're going to be right there I didn't buy that property up there for living next to a pump station and I'm sure a lot of people would take that as a negative thing for our property values too and I'm not looking to score property values or anything but I just don't want things taken away from us we put a lot of, there's a lot of people in this room from dundee here put a lot of pride into their properties and put a lot of work into it and just to have a mega thing put into the space doesn't seem to me that we have enough room to put this tank in I'm not against it but the size is ridiculous and the concept of having a pump in a motor is running all the time that's fine if it's away from residential houses you're riding in a residential river and I don't think anybody at this table would like that next to their property good, I've said enough I haven't gotten myself in trouble I'm not even close Kelly, I live down the street in Chuck I mean it sounds good the tank sounds way large way too large but you've seen people use the 2x4s in construction fencing to build a mock up of house sites and it's had a possibility that you could do that on that property and see how large this tank is really going to be that's sort of like going along with a rendering that I was asking when you get an architectural rendering you'd be able to see exactly what it would look like from several angles I don't know if we can do that it would be expensive there's an expense to everything there is an expense to everything there's a lot of great holes well, you have a big bunch I mean it's are you a no on the tank in general or just a no on the size of the tank I like the tank, I think we need water and I think those tanks down the hill are really crappy you were a no on your tank I'm okay with a tank but I just feel what you're trying to squeeze in that area is not taking any consideration for the neighbors around you going to plop this thing you're not doing fencing I'm talking to these you're not doing fencing as Nick was requesting and scaling back on those things so I just want to have a little more control as far as what the people who live around there have to say as far as they're put in this we haven't laid the tank size out yet the tank will have set it back so we'll have a hybrid fencing we want to put some oversized tank on the property but with this pump station how noisy is it do they have a decimal they probably do but in a block building you should not be able to hear there's a pump going right now you're already strapped on space for this tank we haven't laid out the site that tight yet we haven't spent that kind of time in engineering costs to go in there and lay out fit a tank on the parcel we know that it's geotechnically sound to fit the tank on the parcel we had geotechnical work it's in the agenda drilling is done on the property we believe that we can have plenty of setback from the redwood trees not touch that grove and make this project work I don't think you will see some tank laying out the sides of the parcel how can we not it's not a big parcel could I when you were talking you talked about you live on a private road you maintain the road I'm in the same position in Long Tico live on a private road we maintain that road I have redwood trees all over my property I they're precious to me let me say it that way one of the things that happened was because Long Tico didn't have enough water the state paid 100% grant for an intertide with SLV and the people in Ziane were pretty much up in arms about what you're talking about a pump station and noise there isn't noise and you don't hear any complaints we went ahead did all the work pump stations there it's quiet I understand your pain and also it's difficult when the road is partially closed now we have another way out but it's a long way out and you know I hear what you're saying it's not that I don't have any empathy with you but I also feel like this would be a big benefit for you and it would be a benefit for the district that's all are there comments or anything yeah what is that Kelly are you done are you finished one more question when you're talking about the paving are you talking about paving Dundee the road next to it or paving down the hill where you dig the trench down to the we're talking about the pump station we definitely know that we will be putting a pipeline between the two tanks you tie in down the slim tank so we will pave the trench line repair the roadway and slurry seal we're not sure I think the last drawing I've seen our draft shows us coming right in right off the cul-de-sac there and not going down Dundee so if we don't dig up or damage the road we will not be repaying but it hasn't been laid out that close yet we've got some conceptual drawings that we looked at just to see if this parcel will work Bruce thanks I've got a couple of quick questions first is there a lot on the corner yes okay and how big is the I mean this main you're talking about it's only between the two tanks that's right it's not going to go to the end of the street or anything like that no how big is the pipe now two inch a little over there it's non-existent and you're going to put in six inch that's the minimum for firefly sure when I was listening to this question earlier when Mr. Nakari was talking it almost sounded to me like there's been this negotiation over dollars that's gone on for months basically and now it almost sounded like a negotiation over gallons and it almost makes me want to say hey how about 88,000 gallons because it's in between what everybody seems to be saying now I talked to Rick a few days ago and he was telling me that his goal was to always put 120,000 gallons in any neighborhood because that was enough that it was more or less enough to handle one structure of fire I used to live across from Highlands Park down below down by the highway and there was a house fire on park which was right above where I was living and I remember that we ran out of water neighbors all went out with hoses and they were trying to keep the fire to this one house so it didn't spread anywhere and the fire department eventually came and eventually we ran out of water so there's less than 120,000 maybe if there was 120,000 we would have had more water sooner most neighborhoods I think would probably like to have the extra amount for fire now I was thinking about the difference between I guess what you said was there before 64,000 and 120,000 that's a little bit less than two times and we're talking about volume here so you really only need to have 25% more in each dimension to get close to two times the storage so we're really talking about 25% in height 25% more to get approximately double the volume and 25% wider and deeper so 25% seems like not really that much more now the district manager also threw out a number of 100,000 gallons which would be a little smaller but anyway I kind of think most neighborhoods would like to have the fire amount, the greater amount for fire but some of these other considerations I guess I can see the district's point of view that you just don't really know when you start to design this thing you're going to find this or that problem and you need to have some flexibility you can't give up all of your flexibility upon the site before you even really start to plan it out and just sort of hope that because there's a public process I guess and as this continues there are going to be more board meetings to go over the environmental report to look at whatever construction there's many many steps down the road and it's going to be a continuing public process and there's continuing opportunity for public input so anyway I hope you guys can strike a bar based on that mental rendering yes four questions my name is Randy Gordon I'm also resident on Dundee I'm just curious about the road and where the road's going to be I wasn't clear about where the road's going to be dug up and how that what kind of impact that's going to have to our traffic up there I don't know if anybody can elaborate I'm pretty good to use it but I'll be the biggest impact that the neighborhood will have when the main extension goes in because as we all know it's a one lane road you know we do main extensions and main replacements all the time on one lane road it's more costly it's a lot more steel plates we have to work with neighborhoods we have neighborhood closures we try to get in we try to get out as soon as possible on one lane road who would you estimate the pipeline portion did we measure it up we just over 500 feet I think we did probably a month construction time on that and where is the pipeline it's from the existing redwood tanks that are on the hill there now to that block so going up country club that's correct so you would have to basically tear up all of country clubs for that month to do that and we would do that's not only access we would do time in time out everybody would be notified time in time out and then if there's like an emergency then they do plating and plate it and let people out as need be we work with the neighborhoods very closely we work with neighborhoods and we do we do these type of projects in the San Jose Valley and we work with the neighborhood we do plating we work with very closely with the fire districts so that they know when the roads are going to be impacted they know how to contact us if they need to get through and there's planned outings or planned closures there will be some inconvenience either projects 70 families either project is going to have traffic issues you're looking at removing 700 yards material and dump trucks from the existing site up and down the scenic both of these projects to bring in new water storage into that neighborhood are going to have construction traffic delays construction in my opinion the old site site we're on now is going to be more interesting and longer throughout with cement trucks and dump trucks tree work and all then the other than the cars when we're done you're going to have fire flow right now if you go to build or add on to your house you're most likely would have to put in polytanks for extra fire flow for your fire department under your permit with the new tanks and fire hydrants going in you do not have those requirements requirements around the district much better for your property and for your quality of life the living requirements all the way around there's going to be disruption during construction temporary but the end result will have an adequate fire flow a couple fire hydrants along that stretch as well we have the fire hydrant down our street very little water behind that fire hydrant we still have the fire hydrant it's good as long as it has water to it once the water is gone fire hydrant doesn't go good it's a major improvement especially with the PG&E outages you see the amount of storage you have with those two small liquid tanks the water then it's pumped that water in those two tanks serve all of scenic we take the water out of there with that pump pump it all over the top of that mountain it's a very little bit of water for the scenic environment it's one of our worst areas of water storage the increased storage is very needed in that we finally got some happily decent mainline size up there with six and four inch but you don't have the storage you don't have water storage the pump will run on average about an hour and a half, two hours a day it doesn't run 24-7 we strive to keep noise to non-existent we the pump station that director Henry talked about had special sounding doors that were filled with concrete and that was a large pump special grill vents the silence of the vents very expensive but they work and we go to those extra miles we know that these are your neighborhoods we're not going to go out and put noise we're trying to reduce noise and reduce our footprint and make it so you guys have adequate fire flow and water storage right now during PG&A we have to monitor that very close because you have such very little storage we can lose it in a couple hours and then the whole mountain sides out of water not just one little street once we lose that storage there the whole mountain sides out of water it's a very inadequate water storage area one of our worst I think as we go through this process we can do more once we if we do move ahead we will do more organizing to make sure that whatever we do fits on the parcel properly that we're not hanging out over the edge or out of the street or infringing on so much property that's not our intent our intent is to protect that we have no intention on removing the growth trees we want to stay away from that growth we would have a project arborist to work with us certified arborist to best management practices including the roadway we'll put it in it's not a county road but we will use the county standard which is the best we have we'll put it back into the county standard even so it's not a county road we'll leave the road repair what we damage and we will slurry seal the entire width of the road so we seal anything from cracks or anything and it'll look it'll look good you don't see the scar when we do a slurry seal I believe your name was Peter yeah my name is Peter Parker no relation to the other Peter Parker do you know those writers? although we do occasionally get each other's phone calls so I live in Ben Laumann my property is actually just north of the where the proposed tank site is adjacent yeah it's adjacent and to the north so one of the questions that I have is I'm not sure where that tank is going I'm not sure what 24 feet looks like it's right up against my property so my property is probably the one that's going to be most directly impacted by it I've looked at the drawings it's really not apparent to me so for me story polls would be like the very minimum that I would want to be able to actually go out there and visualize it in relation to vegetation to my property which is at a slightly higher elevation you know section drawings are not going to tell the whole story yet there's one section drawing on the latest geotechnical report and there's no detail from the edge of the tank to my property it shows a distance from the redwood grove to the tank and then that's it so I just so I don't have any confidence at the moment in knowing actually what we're dealing with visually so the other thing is I'm going to back up a little bit I was kind of surprised that the that alternative 3 is being dismissed right away retired general contractor I've done a lot of engineered projects engineered great beamings beams piers, retaining walls I'm really familiar with geotechnical reports I looked at both of those it seems to me that both sites are really stable and the site that the existing site that you have there's already the neighborhoods already used to that they're used to the impact whatever that is it also looks like you're going to add a 62,000 gallon tank there and you're going to keep those two existing tanks in place until the new tank is active so if you're looking for additional storage area why couldn't you increase for instance the height that tank is only 16 feet tall it looked to me like with the seismic stability that you have and the soil stability that you would be able to add something to the top of that maybe not increase the diameter but it's right now drawing it at 16 feet you could do 18 feet I'm not sure I'm not an engineer so you have to run the numbers on that but you also have the two existing sites that are stable the tanks aren't but why not in addition to that replace those two existing tanks with new 10,000 gallon tanks and have 80 to 100,000 gallons existing site where the environmental review is already complete there's much less impact on the neighborhood other than hauling dirt downhill and it's using existing infrastructure and making it denser rather than just expanding the footprint of the of the operations up there I really appreciate that we need more coverage and we need more fire flow but I'm not sure you can't achieve that on that site and there was only one bid and that was from Granite Construction Granite Construction never competes on the basis of price we found that out we found that out but the time you get the bids in there's no way to save any money is by soliciting bids from price competitive construction companies and there are always there are always here even in a boom time there are always people who want to do a better price and get to work and the fact that you you know you only had one bid and that was three times the engineer's estimate and it mentioned that that was that was exorbitant in the in the report but as long as that's the only bid then the comparisons between this proposed site up at Dundee and Country Club with the existing site are grossly exaggerated you don't have a reasonable if you once you have a reasonable bid on the existing site then they have some means of comparison right now you have a bid there that's three times what the engineer who drew the plan thought it should be engineers do the numbers they work with a lot of companies they see the follow through so I respect that it's probably close to a reasonable figure so I think let's do a little bit do some due diligence and see if that existing property and infrastructure can't be expanded appropriately and at a reasonable cost I don't see that alternative being looked at and as a general contractor and having done a number of projects like that to me you just don't have the numbers to be able to miss that property as a viable operation I know those tanks are worthless and you need to get rid of those but if you're looking for additional capacity they could be replaced with independent peer footings thank you Peter I just wanted to give everybody an opportunity to speak on this as well yeah there's nobody else yeah I just have a question about time in time out what do you mean by time in time out based on your experience working in a neighborhood as there's going to be like you have many families with kids that need to go to school then should they just stay away from not coming home or it's going to be hours like when I better stay home for a few hours and I cannot even get out of the house or let's say coming back from work should they just go somewhere before the road will be open for public again like what do you mean by time in time out to an hour and a half closures yeah it'll just be closed for 45 minutes to an hour and a half and then they'll open it up for a half hour or whatever let people in and out and then they'll close it back down and do the same thing throughout the day that's how they usually do it to let people in and out is this never closed overnight or for hours it's closed I would like to take a 45 minute increments and there's planning there for emergencies if there is an emergency out and a lot of times people say I have an appointment I'm leaving to the airport at such a time and then our staff make sure the road is open at that time we work with neighborhood schools and we work around school times too obviously we know we like kids and the newspapers there's several facets that feel like we want to close the road we bring the cans down we have a lot of experience working on one way roads I mean at some point that pipe is going to be replaced anyway whether it's in conjunction with the tank project or not so these impacts will have to be faced at some point in the future Nick I just wanted to ask a couple more questions that have come up from other people's comments that it's okay what if there's an emergency out there I mean this really impacts the road a lot more than the other side although I see your point all the trucks that we've come up for there's more transportation however there's more traffic than ever and you know a lot of times people need to get someplace at a certain time especially if there's an emergency we have a lot of older folks out there we have a lot of kids out there too so what happens then I mean really this shuts down our neighborhood you say in 45 minutes to half an hour usually what happens when it's two hours emergencies aren't planned I mean there's a lot of traffic up there that's going to be severely impacted you know one of the dimensions is I'd like to produce this idea that you know 88,000 for 88,000 you know I think that sounds reasonable it takes our neighborhood into consideration more and we don't have any real idea of what it's going to look like now and you're still getting a lot more storage than you would on the other sector so many benefits and if you can keep the pump station a little further away from the road I don't think that's impossible that's just consideration it's remarkable but the size of the tank is a really big issue for everybody in our neighborhood it's just too big for the neighborhood and everybody here wants the storage but not that much so when you say you think everybody wants 120,000 gallon of take it might be wrong not everybody does so I'm just asking you to consider the damage to our neighborhood during the construction and it's doubtful it'll take three to four months and one stuff always runs over time so you know not always but it does so you know there's going to be some really negative impacts on the neighborhood and I'm just asking you to minimize them and the one I'm concerned about the most since it's going to be such a large tank is the size of the tank and the placement of the tank those are my major concerns also the two inch pipe I don't think it would need to be replaced under the road I think you can just leave it there could you? Well I'm saying that when you go to put in new pipe to upgrade the neighborhood because two inch doesn't provide fire flow and at some point in this in some point in our entire district all of our two inch lines at which we have about 50% of our pipe is four inch or below they're all going to have to be replaced with six inch and so you're going to have at some point maybe it's not next year year after five years or whatever but the neighborhoods are going to be impacted as those pipes get replaced and there's the alternative is you keep using the two inch pipe so you'll never have fire flow and at some point those pipes are going to break down and start leaking and that's not good either but there wouldn't be a pipe up the road to that site my property because if you went with your present site then that wouldn't be necessary you could just close the building houses along the reserve there is piping in the ground someone that comes from the top down it's always 70 years old it's all two inch or less everybody's neighborhood at some point it's going to be upgraded and you're going I live on a one lane road too and when our road gets upgraded it's not going to be fun there's no question but the alternative is to keep using what we've got and not upgraded that's not good for the safety of the neighborhood for the amount of water that is leaking out of some of these old pipes and we're taking water out of the environment that we don't need to be and Chuck had mentioned the road and I think somebody else might have too Ricky parked on the road and you saw how narrow it is right on Dundee right by where the site is and so trucks would be coming in and going out probably through that area too and that road is so narrow that anything was parked on the side of the road it's not going to fit the way it is now so it would need to be dug out a little bit more there and also that road I have patched it probably 20 times in the past 20 years and it's all little patches it's very thin so I really expect that Dundee will be damaged along there and that the parking is going to be severely impacted during this construction what can you well you did say that if you if you damage the road you'll fix it in the areas other than that would it also apply to Dundee if we excavate or install piping or in the course of the tank construction if we damage the road we will go in and repair I bet we're not going to go in and overlay or do something not portion of the road that we don't damage or we did not I'm not sure how we would go into the parking we're not that far along yet well the problem with going in from the front is that you've got that global redwood trees and they're all kind of together so we'll be able to go in through the start of our road it looks like from this glance that we would go in but Garen hasn't sat down Richie hasn't sat down James hasn't sat down and discussed and really laying out the site you can see that the redwoods are close enough that you can't bring the kind of major size stuff through there even medium so you're going to have to come in through Dundee because the other side is a steep hill so that basically really impacts our road and I'm sure there will be some damage but the parking there it's barely possible to park a medium sized car there now I agree with James I agree that there's parking issues up there there's parking issues all over that's true, it's best there on the outside so if you were going to have trucks going in it remains clear by them being far enough off the road that say a UPS truck could get past reasonably yes I can't tell you every scenario and that we would try to work very diligently to keep the roads open not just park the equipment in the street to block your access but there may be times that deliveries pulling out and that construction is going to be there will be some inconveniences I think everybody knows the construction of thousands of inconveniences but the fact is that we need access there's a lot of people living there I can definitely tell you between the two projects that go back to our original site has a much bigger impact and environmental and visual that we've set that mountain off we moved six, seven hundred yards of material cut all the redwood trees down there there's going to be huge impacts down there it's going to be huge and they kind of real quick to go back to the other gentleman's question about reusing that site the existing tanks are not even on our property one of the tanks are not on our property they're on the town rival unfortunately we're not even and we can't have tanks at different levels because they won't flow off we maxed out we engineered that parcel we maxed out the biggest tank we could put there on pat sizing requirements earthquake sizing with tanks on heights and diameters you do not want narrow tall tanks they have a tendency to fall over you want the match the width and the diameters and the height and tanks come in preset sizes when you start going in designer sizes you pay through the nose because we're specially made so tanks come in preset sizes seismic requirements and you want to more square and tall in there and the county won't let us continue to build the right of them I suppose well we even we're trying to cut into that embankment and get county right of the permission to put a place we have a hard time pulling off the road down there now we take up half the road because of the location and we have more in one truck there we pretty much have to stop the road and remove the vehicles and there's a mailbox there and a fire hydrant and so forth other two sites the McCarty site is the desired site for the district excuse me Mr. President I think we're going over the same topics again and again we need to cut this we're on item number two in old business we have four more items in old business if there's something new to discuss I think we need to move on I did have one thing real quick and I promise not to take it everybody's talking about this time closure and stuff I really hope you guys know how to work with God for medical emergencies because there's a lot of people off Dundee that have medical issues and that whole mountain there's a lot of older people up there and I don't plan on having a heart incident and not having that ambulance being able to get to me so what would be the thing I shouldn't be home during the construction time I'm retired I've worked my whole life to be retired to enjoy the property up there that needs to be considered too it is is there a state regulation or fire regulation around minimum size of tank for battling a structure fire and what are those I do believe it's X amount of gallons per minute for so many minutes it figures out to be around 120,000 gallons okay so the 120 is that's the number and that comes from the county fire for a single family structure fire that's correct and Darren if you want to talk about that and so doing anything smaller would we have to get a variance or a convention we can go smaller it's just we don't meet fire flows and then it gets into when one of the neighbors are going to build add on and the fire district the fire sprinter people contact us and want to get fire flow calcs we don't have it and what they do they start requiring to put in those 10,000 gallon polytacks personal fire protection tell people up in that area they don't have a lot of room for those and no one likes doing their expensive and that's what we should do the sound of the water district should provide fire flow and any time we go into a neighborhood and do an upgrade we should try to meet state standards we can't always do that and we couldn't do it at the existing site that's why we had to come down to 64,000 but we only have 15,000 there 20,000 there now something like that so anything is better the 64 was much better than what we had it didn't meet the county requirements and fire sprinklers are going in on a lot of almost all new homes we are doing more and more work with the fire companies fire districts on fire flow and they're requiring more and more of those polytacks we look at it as our responsibility to provide those flows and we tried to every time we go into an neighborhood into the upper scenic drive 20 years ago and we replaced all the inch and a half above ground gain and put in six inch we put a lot of the larger size backbone through those one lane roads all the way up and down it's a project no doubt about that the concrete trucks had to straddle the trench line in order to bring slurry back their construction this is difficult but it's doable on that but we always try and we go into a neighborhood and we're not always successful to upgrade to the state standards and today's standards thank you any other directors I don't have a question I'd just like to comment when I first heard about this project I was very enthused for a number of reasons and I'm really glad that we're at the point now where we had some public input but the reasons I was impressed or enthused when I first heard about this project is hearing from staff that this project if we chose this Makari site would save the district over $300,000 or about $300,000 that's something that we're all concerned with in this water district I thought that was a great positive the environmental damage that is going to have to be done at the present site with removal of redwood trees versus minimal disruption on the Makari site was an environmental plus for doing this and the fire flow and the water distribution to the neighborhood up there was another so three pluses were going on here and we've been the district manager and the council have been doing some negotiation I'm glad it's to this point where now we've kind of settled on a price and we can get onto the nuts and bolts of this I do agree that we need a rendering so we can see what we're doing up there our imaginations are one thing we need to see some physical props as far as Nick guarantees I don't know what guarantees you might be happy with but past behavior is a guarantee is an indicator of what's going on and most of the activities that I've seen in the water district do particularly most recently have been in really good faith and the most recent example would be now that I'm being a board member here is I've seen the probation tank what the water district staff and the contractors have done to environmental mitigation and neighborhood impacts has been exemplary I couldn't imagine how they could do any better job and I agree but now the next things that we've reviewed over during my time here is we reviewed the Lompico tanks so there's six tanks that are going in there you know kind of like your neighborhood it's restricted roads, small roads they're considerate so I have a positive feeling that everyone will be considerate to the maximum that they can possibly be we all live here and work here together with you and your neighbors we're not trying to pick you out or anything else like that we all go through the same problems I don't think there's a problem with consideration well I think that's it and the other thing that Rick had mentioned as well is I know we're worried about the impacts of being able to get in and out of there they're temporary, they're not permanent and people work with you and they'll try to do the best they can and that's all we can expect of anybody to improve and they have better fire protection and the real matter here is that those tanks that are there need to be replaced so we're going to have to find something so I think we're doing a real good job of doing that and if we can work out these other details this can be another project that the Water District can say went well that's funny any other comments so I live across from a tank on one lane road so I understand the situation probably as well as everybody that tank happens to be gee I think it's a redwood tank probably about 40 years old something like that so I'm facing the same kind of situation assuming the tank gets replaced at some point in the next few years so I take this very seriously my comments while I agree with all the benefits of this my comments have to do with the price I am not in favor of the $88,000 I'm in favor of a small amount because I believe that's what the property is worth and while I am not a fan of imminent domain I'd rather give that money to no chemistry and I'd rather give it to Nick than to the attorneys I believe the $88,000 is excessive for the parcel that we're looking at purchasing and I think that there's a precedent that we're about to take that is also for me over the long term something I'm very uncomfortable with I've also heard what the neighbor has to say I think it's reasonable for us to try to come up with some way of being able to show what this is going to look like prior to actually doing something in my opinion I think the concerns there should be able to be addressed fairly quickly with story polls or something that would be able to show where this tank is going to go and what it's going to look like I do think though that if this parcel is acquired it needs to be acquired without a lot of constraints on for sure I agree with Lois and Matt that it needs to be something that the district can work with I think the district has shown really great diligence with the probation tank I have no doubt the staff will do the same kind of diligence for this parcel that is something that can be acquired relative to buildable I think we might use the term buildable in an imprecise fashion I look at more as a market price what is the price that someone would pay for a 6,000 square foot parcel I think it's an R1-15 zone that is simply not big enough to put a residential structure on it a market price is not a price that one individual would pay it is a price that the market that is a willing buyer willing seller would pay I own three of those kind of parcels and I believe my market price in those three is about $2,000 a piece so I think even 10,000 is an incredibly generous appraisal for that and just because of the fact that those parcels are just simply lots that you can't really sell this is really your best opportunity this is your best opportunity to get some money for that outside of us you're not going to get this kind of money from anybody else as a market value the only other person who might be interested might be the gentleman next door that's the market and that is a market of one and not a market that's broad based that justifies that justifies the market value that you're asking for so I think this is something that I would like to see this negotiated differently like I say I'm not a fan of one domain I hope that we can reach a price but if it's $88,000 I have a real problem with that can I respond? can I respond? can I respond to what you just said? can you do it in 30 seconds or less? I will the fact is that that's an unbuildable parcel except for the district and there's an appraiser that can prove that we'll go with that and he will do that and he can come up a lot higher than $88,000 at any point though we've heard that argument before though 30 seconds we can do you want to make a motion? was there any other comments from the directors? okay I'll make a motion I'll make a motion that the recommendation to follow that we direct our current negotiators district manager and legal counsel to continue to negotiate with Mr. Nukarin and see if we can come to an agreement on both the terms and price for the property and how long are we going to continue? we might put a time I think we would request if possible if the board is going to direct that course of action to either approve the draft written offer that's in front of you or approve something very close to it with modifications do you offer the euro? that's right that would be the offer to purchase the price of $88,000 right okay, out the question assuming the board approves that offer letter will there be a subsequent vote on approval of a contract or anything like that should Mr. Nukarin decide to accept it? yes there would be a subsequent vote on the contract of course the contract there is a degree of commitment involved in the offer so the assumption would be that I'm assuming someone for same circumstance an agreement should be approved assuming the board will agree on it there has to be another but I have what about the things besides the 88,000 that would be included also? that's right the council's letter the exhibit you have is acceptable with staff the trees the arborists and so forth speaking of consideration we've reviewed that that's our counter oh it's your counter it's our counter back to his last except for the size of the tank and that's not in there we did not limit the size of the tank in our counter the exhibit that council turkey handed out tonight we believe is a good offer but didn't we hear multiple people from the neighborhood object to the size of the tank? just to be clear there's no commitment being made at this point to the size of the tank nowhere the other is simply avoiding tying the district to hands in terms of what the tank size is we really have determined this to be determined tonight so the tank size is to be determined it's to be determined once we figure this you know we get on the property and so forth excuse me when we determine the tank size the best rendering can we have some sort of renderings that give a more graphic example? we can I still have the question are we just going to go on and on this are we going to put a time limit? there is a time limit in a council's letter I didn't have time to read over large 12 this would be the draft offer letter that you received that we're recommending has the 88,000 price it has the same terms as the last offer that the district gave this an additional agreement as to the vegetation to be replanted at the completion of construction it doesn't have anything else new in terms of the non-monetary terms it's 88,000 last best and final very consistent with what the district previously offered so that's the motion okay then I'll second the motion thank you Ollie would you like to record the vote? I'll just hold on Director Ferris aye Director Falls no yes President Swan Director Henry yes motion passes we're moving right along we're up to 10C thank you all for coming you might want to second give me a second the declaration of surplus property APN 22601-05 commonly known to the district as the Magnano Woods Well and Treatment Plant located in the Scott Valley King Village Drive next to the Scott Valley Post Office it's recommended that the Board of Directors review this memo and approve the following adopt the attached resolution declaring district parcel APN 022601-05 as surplus property commonly known as Magnano Woods Well and Water Treatment Facility contract or contract for a commercial property appraisal and direct staff to move forward with procedures for surplus same property in accordance with California law 2006 the district consolidated of the Magnano Woods Water Company in Scott Valley the consolidation resulted with the ownership of Magnano Woods facility including your Water Well and Water Treatment Plant the Water Well and Treatment Plant is located on APN 022601-05 it's a 50 by 220 foot flat parcel adjacent to the Scott Valley Post Office off the King's Village Road in Scott Valley there's a metal building fencing and a solar system and your Water Well located on the parcel due to the age of the well 40 plus years location in relation to other district facilities the age and condition of the supply line and expensive treatment evaluation permitting of the Water Treatment Process the district has not used the water source since July 2015 in addition this parcel is located in the area of the Scott Valley Town Plan and the district has been contracted several times over the years inquiring to purchase this property as it's located in the proposed entrance to the commercial development in 2018 the district consolidated Magnano Woods Water Supply Permit from the from the jurisdiction the jurisdiction of the County of Santa Cruz to the main water supply permit issued by the State of California State Water Resources Control Board Division of Drinking Water this permitting the district did not include the water source and treatment plant as a water source the permitting process of the State of California would have required extensive scientific review pilot testing of the treatment process and upgrade to the treatment plant the state permitting requirements are much more stringent than the county's permitting process Surplusing land is complicated in the subject to surplus land act as recently modified by new law passed in 2019 AB 1486 legal counsel will be involved in that any other or sale of surplus land by the district is made in compliance with California law in full compliance on on this the city of Scotts Valley Water has contacted the district and is very interested in this parcel that's driving the surplus of this property at this time they have an interest in possibly doing some treatment at that location same kind of treatment that treatment is not really accepted by the State of California I did have some information to go into the type of treatment that's there, it's a microbiological biological treatment process that doesn't really have any form of structure to it and the State will not accept it without extensive testing and they know just what the process is it's not a can process at all it's a bacteria that eats the carbon I guess when the from the contaminated wells so I'm asking the board to surplus we will get a appraisal and we will work with legal counsel on the property for disposal they can give you an appraisal of $88,000 I feel this property probably has pretty good value because of its location it's commercial and about a quarter acre and it is right in the town plan we have been contacted by several developers but they say the town plan is dead now I find that hard to believe that there won't be something there good the process for doing surplus property once we get it appraised I assume we have to get it appraised I think we should then do we have to offer it to other public agencies first yep that's how it works which agencies depends on exactly what criteria it needs and then after that it would go to if everybody turned it down it would have been or some of some kind of an auction process or auction process that's correct Scott's Valley Water District Public Agency most likely City of Santa Cruz City of Santa Cruz might be interested they own Sky Park they own the old airport I don't know we haven't crossed that bridge yet thanks it has no use to the district it has an extremely long old pipeline that goes from the well site all the way up Mount Hermit Road and down Whispering Pines through the townhouses through parks it leaks it has nothing but problems it's old it's probably over 70 years old it's unusable at this point it's the original Magnano Woods one of the original Magnano Woods sources has it well been destroyed one of them has and one of them hasn't it's a 40 plus year old yeah it's just disconnected from the system it's been totally disconnected and not permitted it's not a permitted source public public hello there are you thinking about using this to treat the contaminated water at the old Watkins Johnson site is that what they're I didn't quite understand Scotts Valley really hasn't told me the reason why they want it except that they're looking at it as a treatment facility so it's the Scotts Valley water and I don't think they have anything to do with Watkins Johnson I'm not sure what their plot's on isn't that too hard well the contamination at the Magnano Woods well didn't come from Watkins Johnson that contamination came from what they called the Fort or the Camp Beavers the Fort Connors gas stations and that's been cleaned and cleared and there's not a text in that water so that's been cleaned up so the existing well there when it was shut down did not have any further contamination and the Watkins Johnson plume did not come that way that's the kind of treatment they're doing they didn't really divulge to me exactly what they wanted to do I didn't really ask you would they be allowed to use the water from the existing well I would say yes if they wanted to they'd have to get it approved they would have to put a new treatment plan and get it stayed approved that's why all things that can be done except that they started drawing water they could pull that plume in that direction they could we never did it was never an issue it's a very small production well now they increased the production well then all bits are off it's a very small producer 40 gallons a minute it was very small for the amount of treatment process through that the treatment plan was built by the oil companies as part of remediation it was done very substandard it started falling apart patches all through it it's been bandated back together from the leaks in there it has a lot of issues I think it's safe to say they did not want a 40 gallons a minute I'm not sure what treatment system that's in there there's very little that could replace the treatment they could drill a new well there's already a second well in the parcel that's been abandoned to me for my district it wouldn't be and it's a bad location for me I don't see them spending a lot of money on it but they sure are interested in it Bruce, thanks so what you described about the water permit switching permit county to stay back in 2015 I guess that means that back in 2015 you really decided that you don't need this well anymore otherwise you would have tried to keep it under that permit we weren't able to treat the water that was coming out of the well it turned up really high in magnies I remember magnies that treatment system was no longer able to treat that water so the way you presented is sort of like oh by the way we dropped this off so we can't use it anymore anyway but really the decision was made 5 years ago that you were done with the well from the knocks on the door from the town plan and all wanting to buy the parcel for the entrance including relocating the post office we saw a hand running on the wall that we were going to be right in the middle of the Scotts Valley town plan and we really didn't want to be there we didn't want that long pipeline that's starting to leak in Mount Herman Road and in the back of the townhouses we shifted our production we did the intertide connections that the oil company created I don't understand why I don't really see why you necessarily need to worry about the Scotts Valley town plan well because they were knocking on our door for the parcel there was some developer coming here to some finance committee meeting and he said we'll make you hold and I was thinking make this whole that's it we got plenty of things to do without the headache so anyway now the Santa Cruz where the airport used to be Santa Cruz unspeak piece of that and I guess it's their redevelopment or the success of their redevelopment agencies and they've almost that land the fact that Scotts Valley doesn't own it the fact that the city of Scotts Valley does not own it itself I think complicates their negotiations with developers no matter what they want to do with their town plan they've always paid Santa Cruz by the end of the deal huh so in a way it seems like maybe the city of Scotts Valley might be a potential buyer because it's been a sticking point in their town plan and because they haven't got the land for the rest of the town plan maybe at least they can have this little corner so that it doesn't cause them trouble in the future maybe the city of Scotts Valley would want to put it I think they just approved a tax increase this week they must have millions of dollars um let me see so I'm a little more, I'm interested in this process by which you offer surplus property to other agencies it doesn't mean that it doesn't mean that you have to just give it some a cost or just at the appraised value we could have a bidding work between the wider district and the city of Scotts Valley or something like that but somehow the public agencies could put it in first in law I mean there could be a developer we could have multiple parties more interesting piece of property than the other one by the way you could have multiple people interested in it multiple organizations interested in it some private and some public but do the public ones get in advantage of it do you is there a profit, is there a pecking order there's a pecking order in that you have to offer it first to certain designated agencies for the most part I think that I wouldn't want to say that 100% but I think that's basically right you just have to offer it to them first so they're not really under any they don't have any advantage over any other potential buyers why would you have to offer it to them just so they know to see if they want to pay a lot of money for it it's in I think it's over here it's where they're laying around okay I guess I'm a little more confused but you can talk too you can have no chance as far as I'm concerned okay so the other thing I want to bring up is that you remember the triangle under the creek down in Felton the little piece of property that was the triangle under the creek at the bottom of the creek we're getting off the tunnel stay on this one yes sir there was a piece of property in Felton that the district district surplus and in that neighborhood there was someone that owned almost an acre and when they bought the little triangle they made it an acre and it made their other piece of property buildable meanwhile there were other people in the neighborhood who were happy the way the neighborhood was and they didn't want to have to put on that piece of property and they would have been happy to buy the triangle and keep it together and just so nobody could ever put it together with the 0.95 acre parcel that existed it turned out according to the district policy manual when that piece of property was surplus I don't think I got my full five minutes because I think there was other conversations going on Bruce I'm trying the board the district policy manual said that there would be sealed bids and there were sealed bids one was for ten thousand and one dollar one was for ten thousand and ten the piece of property should have been put up for auction I think it should not be a sealed bid when you have a piece of surplus property I think it should be auctioned off to the highest bid and that way the district will realize the highest value for the land so I believe that the policy manual that's in effect right now if you don't do anything says that Rick will go off and ask for sealed bids in the long run and I don't think that's a good way to sell a piece of property I think sealed bids is a good way to get contracts to get bids on contracts but you don't want to do that with an auction process because you don't want to drive people down on a mount where they can't make a profit so there's a reason to have sealed bids for construction contracts and there's a reason not to have a sealed bid for this kind of a property sale I believe it should be an auction process and if you need to change the board policy manual before you do it I think you should think about it thank you Bruce is it in the manual? it's in the board policy manual we'll have to look we're going to go through district council and we will review that I'm not sure that's in the word that sounds stated but we'll review that Larry the editor coming? yeah thank you I had the opportunity with Rick's help to collect all the documents on the known surplus property or to be potentially surplus property for the district going back to 2009 so I studied that situation mostly looking at what's the potential value to the district for various lands whether it be watershed or some kind of extraneous piece of property like this one so anyway in general I think it's very reasonable to surplus a piece of property like this and I supported however this was not in any of the documents that you gave me so I wasn't able to take a look at it before the meeting so it's okay no the reason it wasn't in the documents it wasn't till I had that in the parcel manual those parcels did not get transferred over to the district when the manual was done and then about the manual hasn't been updated since we had a long legal process to get those parcels transferred from the ownership of Mignano Woods and the San Larenda Valley Water District we finally got that done but the manual wasn't updated with those parcels that came over it was a long unfortunately it was a very lengthy process because we let it lapse and Mignano Woods business license expired so there was nobody legally that could sign the deeds to transfer over we had to get Mignano Woods reinstated as a business it took years oh that's fine then I just have a couple of but you're right if they're not answer your question you're right so I'm going to continue to keep my ears tuned for the word surplus in property so a couple of quick questions would it actually reduce district costs to get rid of this property significant cost well we have sewer fees we have power even so we're not using power we have costs liability we've had some theft through the fence holes coming through the fence you've convinced me that's fine let me ask you another question is there any possible value to our water district to having this property for injecting water into the ground water because there's already a well there could it be used to inject water in the ground water I mean there might be that well wouldn't be used for that but you could use that I really think that's what the city is probably looking at it Scott's Valley is looking at it for Twitter down the road I would think Santa Cruz has talked about doing injection wells on their property the old Sky Park airport so a water well for production isn't designed the same way it would be an injection well put an injection well there it is okay thanks are you saying into existing wells or to drill a new well you have to drill a new well they're different so that's high cost in versus that thank you well Larry touched on what was coming to my mind was the ASR potential for it and there's two years GSP basically in place now and I'm a person who likes to keep their options open and how you handle things and I just wonder you're touching on Scott's Valley interested in using it for injection and since the projects haven't materialized yet and that's being discussed I don't know that Scott's Valley would necessarily do that as part of it would GSP ever have a project or how would I would just for two years hold on to it see what happens and look at it the name of that this is the first I've heard about okay I've heard about somebody really showing a lot of interest in it maybe I keep too many things in general they come handy sometimes but we're trying to clean out the garage I think it's just a location over sooner or later something's going to be built out there it's going to be right in the middle and then you've got a great parking decision our infrastructure I mean doesn't even touch there to be able to do that on our own would you bring a nice valuable thing to the GSA I don't know you have a question well yeah I was going to say it's so far off of our of our district property that it would be I think what I'm hearing Chuck say is it would be basically bargaining chip negotiating position what have you some exchange of value for something else that we might want out of the GSA process is that am I I don't have anything concrete in my I'm just saying I obviously whatever projects we do as part of Santa Margarita there will be joint projects I would think will be involved I just assume not take on any more facility that would have somebody else take on facilities to O&M and to run it they overdraft it they can pay for it so what I'm hearing is you couldn't do that but in the end of the day it's so far out of our looking at another parcel working with another developer for an injection site a potential site or a well site over by the golf course I saw a very similar sized lot as part of that development and service area but I have to again agree anything is possible is obviously they want it for a reason I'd like to make a resolution declaring Manana Wood well site as service break the resolution 19-20 19-20 I will second that much so can I speak on that motion yes so in the course of my becoming on this board I've heard other directors have spoken about selling surplus property to increase revenue I support that process of selling surplus property and however we can best get the best price and listening to Cruz's suggestion you know I agree I have no problem with doing my auction and that it's a little more difficult for the district to facilitate but it's out there if we were if we were more involved and maybe look and see we could always piggyback with the county auction when they do their tax auction every X amount of years to find an auction we used to take our vehicles to auction but trying to find an auction for our vehicles it got more and more difficult they didn't want them it didn't fit there are property auctions around and we can always piggyback the county or maybe even have we can look what I think we do need to do is make sure that the board policy manual whatever policy board policy manual, whichever one it is doesn't preclude you from doing it and I'll work with the council to make sure we do this and bring it back to the board but it doesn't change me no, not at least not at all so we can go I like that Dr. Ferris Dr. Fultz Dr. Moran President Swan Yes Director Henry Yes Beating right along Okay, next time the Director of Operations will do on their Generator Award bid so this is a word of bid You missed one Public Advisory Committee Public Advisory Committee on tax penalties I'll see Excuse me It's in my Yes, Public Advisory Committee on Facilities it's recommended that the Board of Directors review provide directions to the Public Advisory Committee on Facilities in regards to the Board's expectations on February 6, 2020 to 7 members to the District's Public Advisory Committee on Facilities for the sole purpose of evaluating the District's Administration Operations Facility needs. On February 18, 2020, the Committee held its first meeting, elected chairperson and set the regular scheduled meeting for the 4th Thursday of the month at 3 p.m. The Committee also reviewed a timeline of Facility needs dating back to the 1990s and discussed a comprehensive outline of future topics for discussion as follows how we got to where we are today public input through a series of meetings the goals of the project needs for today and the future opportunities and constraints key issues influence the design the size and design criteria for rooms in the building remodel potential remodel the existing admin facilities or relocation board of directors meeting room fuel storage environmental concerns appropriate location for the District headquarters consolidating repair materials and equipment to one location bulk water sales 24 armbands response, estimated construction costs value of the existing facilities and a final report with a recommendation to the full board in the past the board has set expectations and desires at the beginning stages of the process such as the desired location of the admin building facilities or to be elite certified leadership and energy and environmental design internationally recognized green building certification system one of the past directions from the board was the admin building needed to be accessed by public transportation as we were in the beginning stages of this process seeking direction from the board for input on their expectations to anticipate that this process will take one year to complete so what basically I am asking of the board would add some strong desires or request that the committee look at moving forward on this process such as you know the bus line where we should be located those type of things if you want to see make sure that you get answered or do you have something the board give direction of something that they are strongly designed Louis well I heard that this committee is only going to meet for one hour a month and I I am wondering if anything can get done in one hour a month well a couple things we have a really good strong committee people with various skills on this subject architectural design engineering construction we think it is important that we get information and material to the committee ahead of time to give them plenty of time to read and do research on their own outside of the meeting they do want to meet for an hour and if we find that we have issues we can readdress that I think we have the committee chair here that may want to address the board on this subject as well well the other thing is we do have property the Johnson property over there are we taking a hard look at that my objective is to make sure that we start from the beginning very transparent get information out get everything to this committee some of this will go fast we have a lot of reports we have property to look at our next meeting will be a tour of facilities a lot of the work has already been done but I am not sure where the committee is going to wind up going but the importance is that we get as transparent as possible we look at everything and we make sure that we do a thorough job to bring back to the board and we have we have a special spot we will have on the new website for the reports and all the information that we give to the committee we can get posted on the website I think it is important to get as much information out not just to the committee but also on the subject it was a controversial subject before you all know you can say that I have six comments to offer to the committee number one I agree with the accessibility by public transportation number two I believe that the admin and ops should be in close proximity wherever you decide to ultimately put those two number three I think we should look closely at local alternatives as Lois was saying renovate the Johnson building and move admin staff in there four I think we should move the board room to the new location giving ops room for expansion which they desperately need five I think facilities plan should accommodate at least 20 years of growth I don't want to be doing this again in five or ten years and number six I think that the current admin building should be surplus to partially fund expansion I think it's already surplus right I believe it hasn't been surplus but we haven't had any yet good list yeah I think the list is pretty good I would probably say I may not be as enamored with centralization and everything everything in one location given the nature of our district and the disasters that occur the roads are going to cut off that sort of thing I would hope that the committee would look at a decentralized situation I think there's technologies available today to allow people to meet and gather and communicate in a way that you don't have to physically be in the same room next week I have a design workshop with Japan and I'm not going to Japan I'm doing it all through a web conferencing the other two things that I have said in the past and I don't know if the board wants to say anything about it but no Taj Mahal, no Taj Mahal light we're not doing a ten or five million dollar building those in my minds are just on the table to start so I appreciate that we should go through that to understand the history but if anything that gets into that that's just not happening as far as I'm concerned outside of that I think we probably need to do what we did with the Long Pico Assessment District Committee we have really skilled people and I think that we need to give that committee as much latitude as possible to look at the various things that they might see relative to how workforces work together where facilities need to be what we have, what we could have, etc and really let the committee do what we were asking them to do and take advantage of the skills that they have so graciously volunteered to give to us because this is going to be a lot of work over the course of the year for those seven people and I'm incredibly grateful that they've agreed to do that so outside of I think some of the opinions that we might give but I don't know that I really want to see the board do a formal motion that says do this I just don't want to limit where they go We're not asking for a motion, are we? No, again one of the questions that came from the committee they wanted to feel on what does the board want, does the board have any any wants apart from this process I would like to let you know the committee feel that they've got the free run to put this together I plan to have the department heads a few presentations what they think they need talk about James will go and talk about his operations how he needs fuel how he needs this, he needs showers different types of things that he needs Stephanie the same way things that she needs, the type of computer terminals fireproof media cabinets or whatever Darren, you know, engineering I need room for maybe a plotter or I need room for big layout tables that type of thing to answer loose questions yes, look down the road and what our projected growth is I think our growth is not that great so we're not looking at big expansion but at least we looked at you know and the department heads that you have now have been here long enough to know the areas that we need to improve such as ADA deliveries, you know, we have to park 18-meters in the street and traffic is all catty-woffice to try to get around it because we can't do unloading or unloading the forklifts on lines that are unsafe it tips off of them if you're not careful bulk water sales trucks back up on the highway 9 you get staff here that have a lot of years of experience including myself and can really help this committee and the committee is phenomenal I think they all bet their long-term valley residents a great group of people I really think we're going to get some good work done I'm really happy and we'll do probably quarterly back to the board to kind of let you know and that and go I pretty much am giving them a free a free run yeah, I only have one guiding principle when it comes from George Jones and Tammy Warnett an old song we need the jet set where the old Chevrolets so that's my guiding principle and I think we've all talked about we don't want to Taj Mahal too but it's not stopped yet that song continues but ain't we got love so true too okay Beth, do you want to no, I think it's been very helpful and I think the only I think you guys have hit on it a little bit the other guidance that we didn't want to come with some idea that was a deal breaker and so I think, you know, the Taj Mahal and the Tammy Warnett is helpful too and if there's anything else that's like we do not want to even entertain that conversation agree but I think it's going to be really helpful to have a lot of leeway to be creative about you know approaching the solutions and work is such a great resource you really have such history and expertise outside the box yes we have a wonderful group do you have their public comment? sounds great, go for it super okay, terrific so you got what you needed I did no, I can go 10 E we're up to 10 E so this is award of bid purchase of new and replacement district generators it is recommended that the Board of Directors review this memo and award the bid to Watson for the purchase of 10 new generators and direct district manager to sign and enter into a contract with Watson for the procurement and start-up of 10 new generators totaling $500,867 and 87 cents the current 2019-2020 fiscal year budget provides for the purchase of 8 district generators total budgeted at $420,000 in fact February 2020 staff mailed notice inviting bids to 4 generator vendors posted newspaper ads and posted to the district website in an effort to execute formal bidding procedures for the purchase of 10 generators the number increased due to a district 45kw mobile generator reaching the end of its life during the PG&E public safety shut off number 2 in the fall of 2019 and a generator for the Madrone booster pump station was also added to this bid Madrone booster generator was budgeted at $40,000 fiscal year 2018-2019 and was not procured the district received one bid after numerous calls and emails of interest about the generator bid packet there are a total of 5 stationary generators that will be placed at 5 pump stations throughout the district and 5 mobile generators to run various district facilities in the event of power outages the bid and backup from Watson is attached for review and just to summarize what I just went over the current fiscal year budget provides 8 generators at $420,000 and after the loss of one district mobile generator this last fall and the addition of Madrone booster pump station generator back in the bid came to 10 generators and the total bid came in at $500,000 $500,000 $867 in 87 cents from Watson of Corlea, California that's the only bid we got as usual I wish the gentleman was still here I don't know why what is going on here I got phone calls and emails from other generator vendors and those vendors we answered their questions put a bid on the website and those vendors did not put in bids after sometimes they don't want to fill out the paper they put those generators selling pretty fast you don't have to save the extra time to fill out bids and you can just sell and some of our Monterey Bay air pollution control requirements some of the motors are unique and so that slows down some of the bigger generator vendors they don't want to deal with that the Generac CEO was a huge role model we are tier 4 we have some more stringent requirements in this area so I got a couple of questions so one of the things that I've learned in our environmental committees is talking about defensible space for fires so these are a lot of these are in response to fires where you use these or potentially PGD cutting down so is there anything we're doing for defensible space where these things are going to be planted majority of the locations where they are being planted are either asphalt facilities or base rock or dirt facilities where we would be placing them and where we do put the generators there's a pad built a concrete pad built and we'll usually put around some kind of structure to contain that and then the propane tank is always on a pad as well the mobile generator is obviously there out wheels so we park them in the dirt or on the asphalt and then cordages ran to the facility those are part of our fire management plan I think all of our facilities will be reviewed for defensible space in general that should be part of our fire management plan the other thing was I'm seeing, because I had solar panels and I lost power during the PGD and everybody in my neighborhood well you have solar, you don't need to we do, it goes into the grid and it goes off the grid but I'm seeing that more batteries are being made available and technology is there is there any point where we could consider using solar powered batteries and is the footprint is much larger than a generator in these facilities in the startup voltage much larger the footprint to start these pumps and stuff they have to run would be massive in a battery bank so one more thing is in my neighborhood when the power goes out everybody turns on their generators and it's like listening to everybody mow their lawn so all at once so I saw they said they had insulated and baffled so there's muffler systems going on these things I have a generator in my house and you can barely hear it running inside the house obviously the bigger mobile generators are a bit louder but I mean it's like you said everybody has a generator running already at that time anyway and a big diesel generator do you have some of that? gas actually exactly any other quick though? just real quick so just make sure I understand how the numbers work so this might be getting stuff in so we budgeted 420 and that's what we have available the 40k that was budgeted the year before is that sitting somewhere is it now basically got washed away as we redid so we're talking about adding $80,000 to the request out of this year budget and at the last budget committee meeting I think we got numbers that were showing we're running under budget right now by $100,000, $200,000 something like that so there's plenty of space there different capital projects that were originally planned for this year are being pushed out so I mean there's plenty of space in terms of the generators did you change the mix at all from what we had originally voted on to meet the specific requirements that you've had during the public safety or is it basically all the same? no it was pretty much exactly what we had planned at that time before the public were the facilities that did need the generators and just for everybody's reference $500,000 divided by roughly $8,000 subscribers $62.50 that's about a month's bill thank you PG&E for this kind of thing the cost of this public safety so called the power shut off is rippling throughout everything and is a huge impact to a community that is not particularly welcome it's a real shame but it's something we have to do we're not happy about it of course but I'm glad that we're able to get these done now once these are in place are there any other generators that we're going to need to acquire? at this time no but when we start doing these upgrades like the new Felt Heist tank the new Felt Heist pump station but it'll be added into that project at that point there will be those but we're going to be covered and the new mobile generators will be able to deploy to all these other stations that don't have them or can't have them at their site they can only have a mobile generator coming thanks for your work James is there are these mobile generators going to be diesel as well? yes no the fixed generators are broken have we ever had complaints about the noise I can understand but that goes away when you turn it on diesel smoke diesel smoke is drained but now with the emissions that they have on these diesel motors it's not the same as a diesel motor you see going down the road both you don't just have a muffler you have a scrubber they have the Monterey big require it it's a whole chair four thing and it scrubs everything that's what it does any other director questions before we go to the public did a curiosity are most of these generators only going to be used for a few hours to pump water up to pressure tanks and then they are shut off for a couple of hours they're not running 24 hours any other questions Liz? yeah thank you but they could be going for days and days if not weeks and there are lots of different circumstances including fire what Rick Moran was starting to get at but one of the other vulnerabilities besides the housing or the facility itself that might be affected by fire would be this issue that sometimes generators need to be maintained by one of your staff while they're running like you might run out of gas or something like that and so I'm wondering is there an associated communication system that would enable you to monitor these generators without having to deploy a person there because the vulnerability is that that person might not be able to get there during an emergency like an earthquake or a big fire but if you add a wireless there aren't IOT devices that would do that well not only that but we know when a generator is not producing power the SCADA system will tell us that the pumps aren't running at that time so we'll know something has happened if one of the generators is not running properly or isn't running at all but for fuel we have people deployed in these situations anyway during these times because we have to do manual tank checks or we have to run from facility to facility and we'll call people and stand by people for those situations and so it would be in their daily duty to stop by in this kind of situation to make sure everything's running right the electricians are always on board at these times I mean it would be it's an effort so if the catastrophe was such that the access was just cut off what would your people do? Would they hike up there? I mean yeah flying over fallen trees at that point if it's a propane generator and there's no access once it runs out of fuel it's out of fuel okay do you have external fuel tanks for these or just the tanks? the external fuel tanks are the propane tanks will be external from the generators obviously but for the diesel the trailer amount of no it's built into the trailer all the diesels are trailer now? Yes I always see is it for somebody to just wipe one of those? No we lock them up we take tires off of them we do change we have time lock I mean there's obviously those issues and we have to but not going to steal one of these for you but when you need to use it or move it then you've got to put the tires back on and on part of the job and James are there increased operating expenses so should these need to be certified by the Monterey Bay their quality? Yes there will be permits that will need to be obtained and then obviously annual maintenance on every generator every year and that runs about they run from about $600 to $13-1400 because a lot of money to have a water business because it's a lot of money to make up for PGD it will also be beneficial just a tree falling in the middle of the wintertime in a storm so everybody we keep water in all our tanks some other power outage thing a terrorist attack on the power lines in Santa Clara Valley happened a few years ago any other questions or comments from the public? do you want to make a motion? yes I'll make a motion so I'll move that we award Wattson the contract with purchase of the 10 new generators is specified and with the district manager they have to sign an internal contract with Wattson for the procurement and start-up of the 10 new generators totaling $1.5 million second thank you director Ferris director Poles director Moran president Swan director Henry yes thank you take good care of him move right along thank you the contract the district engineer will present this side the district operates the diversion facility on Fall Creek San Lorenzo River the diversion facility includes the fish ladder constructed in 1974 the vehicle drop heights on the ladder vary from 18 to 24 inches as part of the permitting process for a 2013 improvement project district degrees designed to construct modifications to the ladder to meet passage criteria for all salminated life stages is that right? Salmonid life stage the project has been delayed several years while the district has tried to meet National Marine Fisheries Services guidelines for Salmonid passage which requires a maximum hydraulic drop between water surfaces of 6 inches for juveniles and 12 inches for adults on April 19th 2019 district staff obtained a design variance from NIMS which allows the jump height in the Fall Creek fish ladder to be 12 inches this variance will reduce the cost of construction and reduce the amount of maintenance needed for the future of the ladder the district and its consultants are now ready to complete the fish ladder design obtain permits, bid and construct the fish ladder project the next steps are as follows 1. submit the biological assessment opinion to NIMS for approval and have them consider the revised designs bypass flows and propose maintenance of the fish ladder 2. acquire all environmental permits based on the 65% design RDC is under contract to assist the district with these permits 3. acquire a contract amendment with water waste consulting being given the amount of $107,716 to complete the final 100% plan spec and estimate and perform construction management of the project as detailed on exhibit A 4. acquire a contract amendment with RDC in the amount of $9,650 to include pre-construction and post-construction reports and other tasks that's exhibit B and then number 5 is to bid and construct the project the following is a compilation of cost estimates and contract amendment proposals necessary to complete the fall creek fish ladder project so the total to complete the fish ladder project is $168,215 and it is a recommendation that the board of directors review and authorize the district manager to enter into contract amendments with water waste consulting being in the resource conservation district thank you any questions on the board comment Baha on the budget for this was this budgeted for this year well creek fish ladder had a chunk of it budgeted I think part of the construction asked because the not the construction part I think that will go next year but at least the down to that which would be like $130,000 this year that was budgeted this year I know we but yes we budgeted money this year how much did we budget you look at that all creek fish ladder this year's budget had $40,000 in it this is one of those projects though that it's been in the budget every single year and depending on the timing or what's gone on the money either has or hasn't been spent so we're looking at a $90,000 uplift from what we budgeted so that's if they're going to spend all of it in this fiscal year otherwise I know we put more money in the fish ladder what's this how long do you think they'll take on this well you know we're trying to get this thing built this year so we're going to push through the design complete design and permitting script we're trying to get it out of the bid probably right around the end of the fiscal year and was this amount to waterways was this bid so these we have an existing contract with waterways to do some of the preliminary designs and get the project up to 65% that's current manner contract we're currently in a contract with RDC to do some of the preliminary work associated with permitting process so what these two are amendments to take those existing contracts and move them through completion of the project this is the redesign from the six inch terms back to the 12 inch terms back and forth though although there was light in the tunnel it appears that we will be getting our permits and construction is there any grant funding available we are working on it I really hope we can get some this is an important thing it is an important thing we need to move ahead on and we do have an RFP out for grant writing right now so when I first started volunteering working with the water district in 2016 as a member of the environmental committee this swim tank was one of the items on that first agenda that I am meeting that I attended and I am so happy to see four years later that I can be part of a vote that will get this to completion so I am really glad that this is the long drawn out process that all of you have gone through and in a short period of time I can see it we are going to have a new fish ladder and I am really happy to be part of that a new river cutting you did say swim tank you meant fish ladder I get them all fixed up it is about the same time we knew what he meant we are just happy to fish up for it lock up the ability it will be a very high project to get a lot of support on a fish ladder there is a lot of people who go by the fish ladder and look at it and you and I have talked about this before you know this to me it is an educational classroom however the plans get involved in the final design is that it is accessible to people to see the fish and the pools down below any other questions comments public comment yes I just wanted to say I am very encouraged because my husband was able to film a Stalehead spawning in the Henry Powell Visitor Center over there and people have observed Stalehead in Fall Creek so all the reports are as they are recovering thank you time to grab the poles any other comment alright are you clear to make a motion no okay I will make a motion review and authorize let's say authorize the district manager to enter into the contract amendments with waterways consulting and resource conservation second thank you director Ferris hi yes president swan director Henry alright I am 11a is a correspondence to PG&E regarding tree removal recommend the board director to review and provide direction regarding the attached letter to PG&E regarding tree removal at the February 20, 2020 environmental committee meeting during public comment request was made on behalf of the Valley Women's Club environmental committee and friends of the San Fernando Valley of Water to write a letter to PG&E addressing impacts to the watershed by their tree removal program they don't believe that PG&E should be removing healthy trees that are environmentally sensitive instead they should be replacing a bare wire with insulated wire installing high impedance arc fault interrupters as well as employing computerized circuits this is especially concerning across the district Penlo and mountain watershed which has high voltage transmission lines crossing the watershed from downtown Boulder Creek to Empire Creek attached to the letter for board review and approval and address to PG&E it's recommended that the board director review the letter and give direction what I put above you is the empire grade watershed you see in town this is Boulder Creek Elementary School and as I looked on Google Bob requested a map to find one on Google here is the power lines going up across the district watershed you can see already the amount of tree removal I'm not sure how old this one map is but you can see the power lines crossing all the way up to Braymore on the district center does it come pretty close to our intakes are there any facilities Clear Creek and the former creek so it doesn't come close to former creek but it does go above Clear Creek and Sweetwater so as you can see it has an impact I was surprised it was so visual it's been cleared for years yeah and they're doing more and more there's no doubt about it are they talking about expanding the cut Nancy Macy is here pretty good authority on this for bringing this to the board this is a huge issue and that's actually a transmission line and the laws and regulations about that are different than the ones for the distribution lines and what the wildfire mitigation plans that PG&E has proposed for the past several years this year and last year they were required by the legislation to have these plans and they had previously had their own version of them they have basically changed the concept at all and the transmission lines are the requirements about that do involve removing the trees because those are huge lines and they have so much power so we're not quibbling really with that but we're quibbling with what's really important to the water district is the distribution lines the distribution lines are all the wires that go through the valley everywhere okay and we are mostly tier 3 and some tier 2 utility associated high fire danger now people throw away, throw tier 3 around as if it's just high fire danger it's high utility associated fire danger that means it's the utilities infrastructure that is endangering us for fire and it is the utilities infrastructure that is so poor in these areas that they're having to turn off the power with the PSPS and putting us all in financial distress all the other problems so what is not happening and what is not being prioritized adequately is they are not replacing the uninsulated single gauge copper wiring of which there is something around 2700 miles of it in the tier 2 and tier 3 areas not just here but all of them it's like the stuff that was used in the 1800s that's the same wire and they've got 22,000 miles throughout their service area so that's the highest priority to fix that the most that PG&E is going to replace this year is 240 miles not 2,400 miles but 240 miles all they're going to replace Southern California Edison which is half the size of PG&E in their service area is putting in over 700 miles so it's like PG&E is cutting down trees thinking they're going to protect their wires when their wires are cracked and it's not going to do any good in fact it will make things worse for us we'll have more erosion better quality and quantity we'll have slope and stability it already happened last year how many of you drove up Bear Creek Road a year ago and were driving through mud as you went up the road that mud was not normal bad storm erosion mud that mud came from where they had done the cutting of the trees on pilter and all the little creeks and that mud came off the hills where the trees had been cut down huge redwood trees and if you go up and you look at the wire on Pilter Creek it's that single gauge wire the connection is 60 years old and PG&E is cutting down our trees that we need for our property value for the senior value but mostly to protect our property from erosion and these other issues habitat not to mention climate change so PG&E needs to prioritize fixing their own infrastructure if they put in strengthened insulated wire and if they included these computerized relays protective relays which one example is the high impedance arc fault interrupter they would have a basically a fail-safe system that it wouldn't matter if a branch fell on the wire because the wire would do like the AT&T wires do it would be protected enough that it would either go to the ground or if it split it would stop it would turn itself off they turned the wire off so it doesn't spark it doesn't send out streams of energy to set things on fire when it falls down and it actually sends a message back to headquarters and says this is where the power outage is you can come fix it instead of you know the truck's having to drive up and down the road to find out where the power outage actually is so this type of equipment needs to be done it needs to be prioritized and we have actually talked we were able to get and talk to President Mary Bill Batcher of the California Public Utilities Commission she knows this but the process is so laborious and takes so long they're called proceedings and they are so I have over in the past year I've got over 900 emails talking about what's going on with these proceedings which are to direct what the wildfire mitigation plans need to say but it's really much simpler so the water district has the opportunity because you are directly impacted and your community is directly impacted by the power being taken by being put up PSPS and by the fire danger in the summer and by loss of power in the winter all of that could be alleviated if we had the strengthened insulated wires and these protective relays so we can look at the letter and make sure it says what it needs to say but basically that's the concept you have the you as a water district are going to be more respected than the Little Valley Women's Club even though we've been working on it for two and a half years and we have done hundreds of hours of research don't excel at yourself short yeah well we have our voices heard here our voices heard here we definitely have the support of the supervisors they actually became a party to the proceedings and put in extraordinarily well written extremely well researched application to be a party to the proceedings and it looks like they're going to put in some more information this year but it's it's so frustrating because the CPUC is so stuck in their way of doing things that they can't see the forest for the trees they're willing to let PG&E make the decision to cut down millions of trees in their service area without even having proven that it's going to work the California Public Utilities Commission has a thing called the Office of Safety Advocates and what the Office of Safety Advocates was it no longer exists it was to make sure that PG&E did everything related to safety properly and they looked at this plan to cut down all these trees and said you haven't shown any measurements any information that proves it's going to work how do you know it's going to work so anyways I don't want to take up any more of your time but they're ignoring their own safety advocate they approved it anyway they're letting PG&E make the decisions instead of making the decisions themselves so the letter goes to the governor it goes to our legislators local and state it goes to President Mary Bell Batcher of the Public Utilities Commission and it goes to the other commissioners and the letter is this water district is surrounded by tier 3 areas and they're planning on cutting down thousands of trees thousands of trees along and under the wires and if you drive up to Bar Road and you get to where the creek is right down there long slope down and there are redwood trees on that side of the road everyone has the X of death on them it's one of them it's hundreds of them you go up Bear Creek Road go up West Park Drive all those huge trees that are along the edge of the road there that go down to the creek have the X of death on them because they're going to cut them down so we have to prevent that from happening it will totally decimate our creeks and our waterways it's going to be awful they started with the private property last year and those people that's why we got involved we have literally helped dozens of people protect their property so they could say no you get to cut a 4 inch radial around the wire that's the law because that's going to protect the wire from whipping the branches and stuff but I don't get to cut down my whole redwood tree or my whole oak tree or whatever the kind of tree it is and I've got a lot of stories to tell you where they did cut them down and it cost a lot of problems so Paradise is one of the stories and that is where they had cut down the wires they had cut down the trees around the wires as they had planned to do here and those made wind tunnels that allowed the firebrands to be blown way past where the fire had started way past where the fire was and it went through those wind tunnels and those firebrands came slamming into houses and those neighborhoods burned up and none of the trees around those neighborhoods were burned they got dozens of pictures from Paradise showing that and if they create these tree tunnels for us we're going to have that same problem so we've got the fire districts writing letters we're hoping that you will do the same let me know if I can help I think I'm confused about what the ask is was this something that the environmental committee I couldn't have been attended and posted yet was this something environmental committees it was brought up during oral communications I remember that so it was a discuss that was just read after hearing what you said yeah and there's a lot of great information in there that I think plus the impacts on us as a district from a monetary point of view I think there's a lot more information that we need to put in the letter and this is the person that there was an urgency to this is this something that the committee they're going to be approving the current plan by the person April let me add more time I was under the question it's encouraging that we don't want to go another year the other thing is I know technology changes rapidly and I think there's a way of being able to say that PG&E should use the best practices that are available in the utility that's the exact terminology we'd like to use without necessarily because I'm not a high voltage expert so I don't exactly know what to say the solution is but I'm sure there are best practices out there that could be done is this something that the environmental committee could take on and come back I was under the impression there was an urgency and I was given a couple letters to use it's kind of a trap have you guys met already this month? no we have not discussed this this has not been agendized on the environment because I just think that this and then on those lines is there anything we can do about that in terms of them cutting trees down on that or is that not possible? because that's true plus when they cut their trees down obviously they just brush them up and leave them in place I'm not cutting more trees there they're just maintaining they're not maintaining now I'm not really sure I'm not really sure but I mean we can't do anything about that I don't think we can't do anything about that but that's what's talked about in the letters I talked about insulating wire through those areas but I didn't get that when I read through this there was if there's not an urgency there's no problem taking it back and reading at the environmental committee because I think I was under the impression there was an urgency talking about the financial impacts being very clear about the fact that we don't want that to expand right and to use best practices and then how the distribution lines yeah yeah what's the environmental well I think at least the environmental planner should look at this and have her input it's a letter from the water district so it has water district's interest in fact there was actually a letter written a year ago but it only talked about not cutting down as many treats it wasn't very specific my interests are financial don't expand and in terms of the impact on the community upgrade your system I can't get the environmental planner to work with me I see on another letter or on a different subject I mean if that's what the board direction is that's looking for it's on the agenda it's on the agenda let's do that well here's the thing about the agenda boys, girls and as I remember we sit out some priorities and we keep on those priorities and sometimes things come up but this will be an easy lift because we can get most of it done with the environmental planner and exactly that's what I'd say a great approval for you to kick it out as long as there's not a big urgency does a letter have to be empty before April 1st? yes that's not really going to work that's time-worn in the letter this is March already I'm sorry I don't even know what month it is yeah that won't work okay well then it's not going to they're probably going to approve the current plan the way it is but if they get a letter in the month of April that still could impact what PG&E actually cares we'll move on and try to get it out I have a feeling if they're only putting in 240 miles miles that we probably aren't the highest priorities but we're on the list of having 2000 trees cut down more one last little figure that makes it even more worrisome we're talking about the PG&E right of way well PG&E just got two years ago they got permits from Cal Fire it's called an exemption so that they don't have to put in a timber market plan and they got permits to cut down trees as much as 200 feet from their wires and guess where that is that's on our private property that they got to cut down they can come on my property and they can cut down a tree that's 500 feet off their right of way and if they declare that tree it's going to fall on their wire it's within falling distance they can cut it down sounds like an injunction and that's the 500 million dollars in one year that's what they're going to spend on you can't keep them off your property I would I have the guts and the knowledge to say no you're not free go ahead and hold me liable and have trouble with me too absolutely I want to reach out to Nancy and get this back to the environmental committee Lou I have some comments to make kind of in line with what Bob was saying I didn't make it to the last environmental committee meeting because I was sick I apologize I made these comments then but we're trying to conjole and work with PGN it strikes me so you have to be careful how you message so towards that end I agree with the spirit of the letter but I have two things that kind of bother me one is that we simply imply that if we stop cutting down healthy trees and replace it with high impedance arc fault that solves the problem I don't think so for example there are possible legitimate reasons why you want to cut down a healthy tree you mentioned the PGN notified actual private landowners last year I was one of them they contacted me they wanted to cut down a tree a bay that was right we are land of butts to highway 9 and so I made a public with their arborist we went down and looked at the tree and the tree was leaning exaggerated angle over highway 9 and not that it would have taken out the wire it would have taken out any car that was going by in my mind that's what I would call unlimited public health danger that just adds but we need to kind of acknowledge that that's not what we're talking about what we're talking about is cutting down healthy trees where you don't need to cut down healthy trees because I think they are planning a way over doing it so I actually approved because it was the right thing to do not only for the knocking down the wire but also potentially hitting water we wouldn't react very well to that I think we'd get defensive so we need to keep that in mind as we're trying to talk to the person that we're looking for to work with so therefore I would recommend putting in a statement something to the effect of you know we're going to suggest that we work with PGN to fully investigate alternatives based on sound comprehensive risk benefit studies that minimize the the impact of trees and ironically enough suddenly called Morty Edison did one of those and they came up with the fact that they used to fix their wires and they committed the money to do it a whole lot faster than PGN so I'll offer that and that would be great I just don't have to lay it any more What do you call it? Yeah, any public comment on this? Bruce I just want to say something about paragraph three in your letter it refers to it refers to endangered cell monads and I think endangered is sort of a term of art there's a certain thing called an endangered species and I think there's a federal agency that's in charge of all these things you can talk whenever you want You want to go first? It's hard for me to talk when I keep hearing this thing in my head Okay, so using the word endangered I'm afraid that it might be the wrong word because I think steelhead are threatened maybe I'd have to research this coho salmon it says juvenile salmon in the very last sentence the kind of salmon that you're talking about are coho salmon as I understand it I don't think there are any other kind of salmon that have ever in recent history been in the San Lorenzo river or in the whole San Lorenzo watershed at this point the coho salmon have been extirpated for at least 10 years from the entire San Lorenzo river watershed so if you refer to success rates of juvenile salmon in the San Lorenzo river watershed to me that sounds like you don't know what's happened in the last 10 years I'm sorry to say there are no coho here it has happened in our lifetime probably due to our activities but I don't see that there's any easy way to go back it's not like the coho are going to spontaneously generate in the watershed they do exist in Laguna Creek which is over the ridge on the other side of the empire great so you know and I just want to say that recently I read an article in the newspaper I can't remember when it was maybe in the last year it might have been talking about the large woody debris project but it made similar comments about coho salmon as if they still exist here as if the large woody debris project might do some good for coho salmon and it would if they were here but they're not and so I guess I want to encourage people to acknowledge that there are no salmon so Chris any others public comment would you have a comment? okay so we've got directions we're going to go to the environmental committee next up consent agendas anybody want anything pulled from the minutes of February 20th? no not hearing any? okay motion to agenda there's no written communication I think that's like you want to say something did you make a motion to approve the consent or you just did I make a motion? we don't need one we don't need one I wasn't sure okay anything else? just everybody eat cookies, save the staff there's plenty on the kitchen still I like cookies I have a nice arrest