 So welcome to the Tuesday, September the 4th meeting of the Montpelier design review committee For anybody who's not here and been here before we are advisory to the development review board We will listen to people's applications, vote of them and move them forward. I will let staff and members introduce themselves Stephen Everett Eric Gilbertson And unless anybody has anything to add do I hear a motion to approve the agenda? All in favor of the agenda And we will move to the first application for 39 Northfield Street Andrea Cohen and Matt Chapman construct landing and stairs Come forward and have a seat And introduce yourself My name is JC Meyers Meyers construction carpenter builder hired to to extend the Stairway or the steps to create them is landing in some stairs so that they can get to the street Net in that alternative way than the current situation, which is a pile of gravel Probably get pretty slick in the winter I mentioned to Eric earlier This project is basically spurred by the city's Changes to the city sidewalk levels. They brought that down to them. They had to bring the parking area down And the city dumped the pile of gravel so there was some sort of access But now you need something that is gonna actually work. So it's pretty simple It's a three by three landing built out of pressure treated material We are gonna go with the same what the current stairway Has a they've basically sandwiched The lattice work between you know and it has a top just has a 15 degree beveled top rail There's I think photos of close-ups of the actual rail. So we're gonna do that It's gonna have a railing down the steps. It's gonna We're gonna pour a paver at the bottom of the steps sidewalk pave and Is near as I can calculate at this point, you know, because really I mean it's pretty I Know where the landing is gonna be But I don't know there's a lot of legend stuff in there So, you know, there may be it's hard to say exactly where the stairs are gonna land It could be within but no within a foot or two You know my point really is only that if I do approach the sidewalk with the paver and it actually does Reach the sidewalk then they'll put an expansion joint in there between that and that sidewalk and of course the paver will meet that Specifications in the city three to four inch No, no cover, no, it's just a stair and an open landing no cover Yeah, that's quite a stairway I did some work on that house last summer and Went up and down those stairs many times carrying compressors. There's no other way Besides up and down those tears It's a some of the treads will be solid. Yeah, they're good. Everything's good. They'll be you know, two by right Yeah, two by probably two two by six You know it probably make a pretty comfortable stairs six six inch, you know, 12 inch treads and six inch risers And just built on and you thought of using any just steel great treads That's that's a possibility. This is what the customer wanted. She wanted to see it pressure treated You know, so but I would be you know happy to suggest Yeah, you never have to shovel them. Yeah Okay, put that in as an alternate At the option of the homeowner Steve uses about his bill So pre-assembled stairs or just the treads themselves you just ordered the trip you can get up from Capitol steel They're a little pricier now because of the terror they designed to go right on a two by 12 stringer like a cutout stringer You you don't even have to cut them out You can do they have some that you just use a solid stringer which makes it more sturdy Yeah, and then the tread comes with the side is about an inch and a quarter with two slots You need to just put carriage bolts through and bolt them right into the side of a solid stringer looking to it They might you know, you're very rugged. Yeah, and we've had icicles fall on them We've had everything beat that but Jesus out of them And I've never I haven't had to shovel stairs in yeah ten years And I haven't shoveled once and that was usually they're not slippery in the winter time No, you get galvanized and they have a little they have a little like like it's like it's rich And the store nice goes where are you getting those car steel? Car steel car steel Montpelier Capital steel capital steel. I guess they call it. Everybody used to call it cars capital steel down in the three mile Dejunction road. Yeah, like you're gonna go to the train station as soon as you make the right turn there. They're on the left Again, they're a little pricier, but you know, if you need five or six of them You don't have to ever worry. Well, you're gonna pay some for liver to cut out those stringers, too Put it in cut all your treads. So there might be some I don't know it might be comparable worth taking a look I'll go. I'll check it out. The other thing is beating snow and ice off of wood treads Invariably you beat them to death. Yeah about every I've found that if they lasted five or six years after you You know took a hatchet and beat the snow and ice off of them after about four or five years You had to replace them anyway I was the I was the facilities director for the central mock community land trust for six years And now we used to do what we used to do with wooden steps as we put a rubber mat on them a textured rubber mat To protect them. Yes. No, that helps a lot. And so that would be another You know option. I think you're you're making a good point here that they will take a pound And I say you buy will take a pound quite a pounding before it Just with the steel steel treads. I probably saved in excess of five hundred dollars a year shoveling expense Just going because it's so quick. Well, you don't have to do anything. Yeah, it's not when ice just goes right through Yeah, I mean never shoveled didn't shovel once not once also just a tour for sure And again, you don't have to right if it's approved. It's a pre-approved. It's just come back and just as an option. Yeah Sounds like a good one any other comments questions suggestions Stairs are no good if you go barefoot You might get a indentation as opposed to splinters If you can handle the sidewalks and you know that you probably handle the steps gravel driveways So again, we can leave that as an option. Okay, the landing itself could even be steel We've done landings as well as stairs with the steel I'm gonna leave a few of my cards so case No, I do a lot of like renovation and repair so I'm By the way, the steel the steel comes as either a Painted steel. Yeah, or raw steel or galvanized and the galvanized Doesn't rust right forever. It's forever. There could be the limitation could be the cost See what she says look at it the overall value of this material might be worth it the lifetime cost Yeah, no, I think we'll be well back from the sidewalk Even the little sidewalk plot won't have a problem there. We'll keep it back from the sidewalk I Think the stairs are gonna land probably three or four feet or four feet from the sidewalk I that's just from looking at him. I think that and we can We want a nice comfortable tread and riser, you know, so it's easy to walk up the steps, but We can steep in it a little bit if it looks like it's gonna impede on that Or where it's gonna make snow removal difficult, you know, we won't do that soon even there's a set of criteria and I'll just read through them And it says preservation of reconstruction of the appropriate historic style of the proposed projects in the historic district We're involved in a historic structure This proposal is acceptable harmony of exterior design with other properties in the district acceptable Compatibility of proposed exterior materials with other properties in the district acceptable Compatibility of proposed landscaping non proposed in this application Prevention of the use of incompatible designs buildings color schemes or exterior materials acceptable Location and appearance of all utilities any additional lighting proposed for the stairs none None for there is there is a if you look at the I think there's some photographs of that bottom of the stairs there If you look at that there's a the the steps Continue off for about two feet to the right of the stair and there's a little Box like a little closet type container that that's all going to be removed Okay, so the so the steps will come out that so your rail because they'll be on the other side of the rail I know once the rails there, okay, that part will be removed No, that's fine. The other thing if you know, but you can add it at a later date If you need to they make some little solar lights that great. Yeah. Yeah, so that leds. They're leds and after sunset they'll light up the like the treads and the Platform if they want to add something like that. That's not an issue Recognition of and respect for view quarter and significant fisters including gateway views of the city and state house Accepted and again the option was the stair landing and stair treads Maybe either pressure-treated wood construction or galvanized steel grating at the option of the applicant All in favor of the application with that option raise your hand Thank you, and I'll just sign that above my name on the lower left there. Okay. Thank you And you are JC Myers. I am me why you are it's M. Y. E. R. S. Okay Okay, thank you. So is there a is there a and then I know it goes to Planning right Audra will issue a permit. Okay, so do I need to be at that as well? Okay. All right. Nope There's no other no other hearings. Okay Okay, all right, so there's no there's no delay between the period the issuing of the permit and the actual construction start time there's a Appeal period I think on this a few days a few days. Okay. That's great. All right. Thank you very much. Okay. Thank you Good luck with your project. Thanks Okay Much question about this one either It's very inconspicuous tucked in behind Is it going for that tank use right there now? Opium tank it's the general Looks like generators going to be around the corner on the side, but I assume they'll remove the tank Well, they'll have to because that's the location of the generator. They're going to bury the tank Oh New 500 gallon propane tank below grade This is applied to a new generator Plus anything else in the building. I assume that they have this gas Well gas is really good for generators because it doesn't go bad Those gas powered Generators are great. I've had people installed a couple of this people live off the grid one person was in a Colbert, New Hampshire way up on a hill and he checked with a power company to see how much it would run to power lines From where they ended a half a mile down the road and it was going to be somewhere between about $80,000 And so what he did was he installed one of those This generator he was powered by a little Honda motor He put that up there He had a thousand gallon tank for heat. It's a secondary helmet a thousand gallon tank for LP And it's for heat refrigerator stove heating And the generator you could get get you can use a lot smaller Generator now if you get one of those Tesla batteries You can charge it up. You can put solar in and then the generator only comes on When you need it so you could put some pretty between systems and between he didn't have the Tesla but between the solar panel And to supply all of his electricity when he was there and everything was efficient inside the LED lighting LED television He filled up the tank with LP a thousand gallon tank and after two years He asked the guy to come back and deliver it and the guy came up and delivered 200 gallons of propane He said don't call me for four more years You can put together some pretty Sophisticated thing. I have a friend that just you know runs his generator when he's doing laundry Stuff like that. So he put in a smaller system and he just runs a generator when he's You know doing something that used a lot of electricity No emails We can just move it to the next meeting Let's just continue it. I mean this is not anything that is time-sensitive and I I'm almost willing to say You know we're gonna prove it without people here, but I don't think we should do that Okay, I Think somebody to see should either show up or let us know that you know their issue and can you know Ask if we could approve it without their presence Again, it's pretty straightforward. I don't think we have any And it doesn't sound like it's any emergency situation Yeah, okay, so we'll move that forward And his Everyone looked at the August 20th minutes. Yep All in favor of the minutes raise your hand minutes are approved And I'll leave this with you that's the form for the 149 main And does anybody else think to offer at this point in time do I hear a motion to adjourn? Second second all in favor of adjournment raise your hand meeting is adjourned. Thank you