 people to switch over, you can be mad at me right now. I'm sorry, it did test what I just did and it didn't do that last week. So. Yeah, but I mean, it just keeps happening though. It's like, this is on right now. This is gonna work and everything's fine, Jamie. But then it's like, it doesn't. And it's like, once would be like, oh, okay, just not the once, but now it's like over and over, you know. Okay, um. Jamie is frustrated. Jamie is so frustrated right now. You know, when you're like trying to do something, you're trying to do a good job of it, but like, it's just like everything is just not working. So frustrated right now. Okay, anyway, I'm back. I'm just gonna wait a few minutes for people to come back. We've had user-generated technical difficulties and anyway, when part of the, I was mentioning earlier that we're gonna get faster internet in a week or two. I'm gonna get the internet at my house. What happened? I actually don't know. You'd have to ask someone else who was pushing buttons and doing things and totally disconnected us and said it should have worked, but it didn't, whatever it was. Anyway, I'm gonna get internet at my house. So I can actually do these without having the constant technical difficulties, which are just driving me insane. I hate doing a terrible job. Of things. Yeah, I really hate doing a terrible job of things and I feel like these lives have been so low quality in terms of so many things that could be solved and I'm so frustrated about it. So I think I'm just gonna start doing it myself and maybe I won't do one next week and just, once I get the internet at my house, then I can just take care of it myself. Anyway, what are we talking about? Oh God, I'm so frustrated. Can we just wash the frustration away and just be like, everything is fine? Yeah, I don't have Starlink. There's no Starlink here. I don't know, I don't know where this works, Starlink. Okay, I guess everything is working fine now. Hey, Kirk in. Hey, Kirk in, can you get me a drink of water? No, I need to drink of water, just bring it upstairs. Get someone to get it and bring it upstairs. Yes, technical stuff happens, but it keeps happening. It's so frustrating for me because I've, I mean, this is why I don't like working with anyone. It's because, hey, can I have a drink of water? Yeah, that's my, I'm annoyed voice. So yeah, I mean, it seems like every time I try to do something with another person, I'm not, I shouldn't say every time. It's so frustrating when I try to do things with another person and they just are not holding up their end of the thing, you know? Anyway, thanks. I still have no timestamps here in live chat. Anyone, I actually do have timestamps. Are the timestamps important? I don't know, I don't really pay attention to them except now that you just said that, I'm noticing them. What are you eating for lunch today? I have no idea what we're eating for lunch today. What was I talking about? We were talking about lumber mills and how, yeah, I'm going to build a swing blade lumber mill and not a bandsaw one, because the bandsaw ones are pain in the butt. DeShana did spill the milk, yes. And I've gotten frustrated. And I think she's not coming back now. Hi, Jamie. Hey, Jamie. Been watching you for forever, man, like way before giant robot days, whoa, that is forever. I'm a game developer and your game is awesome. I'm amazed at all the features you got in there. Oh, that's cool. I'm working on a new game. And I was actually thinking about trying to work with someone on, you know, not in any kind of like, this is work, but like in a fun way, you know? Cause I have a whole bunch of characters for this new video game that I want to program into it and like make it. I will, the new video game I want to make into like, sort of an open-ended, like an open world unending kind of thing. You know, like one of those games where I just continually update it and make the world a little bigger every update. And I guess it's because I've played this game called Andor's Trail, which is like an open source thing that a lot of people kind of chip in and help work on this game. And, you know, it's just this, you know, every time they update it, it's just got another chunk of the world that you get to explore. And I don't spend a lot of time planning or anything, but every once in a while, I'll get it out and be like, ooh, what else? What other new parts of the world are in here? It's kind of cool when it's just this continually growing world and you know, there's things you can do in different towns and stuff. I want to make something a little bit like that. But, you know, like still going with the top view, the 3D thing where you run around in robots and stuff. Oh my gosh, Jamie, forget about Starlink. It's almost 100 Watts continuous. Did you know that Starlink is like 100 Watts? Forget that. Yeah, if it uses that much energy, totally forget it. I'm not doing it ever. Let's see, what have we got here? Your together intro is hilarious, by the way. Just watched it briefly while the live cut our together intro. Is that when we were, oh, right. Yes, when I was sitting behind Deshada, right. Don't fire Diaz Co-House, just because she tapped the wrong button. Yeah, it's not, right. It's always just one thing. It's just one thing. Okay, here's a question. Everything is fine with me and Deshada. I just frustrated and everything's fine. Okay, don't worry about it. Question, for the mill, you selected a 12 inch blade implying about a five inch max cut. Well, it's a five inch on each side because you can go down one side and come back the other side. So it's a 10 inch board you can make. But why not a 16 inch blade? Well, I wanna make it so I can put a 16 inch blade on it. But a 12 inch blade is much easier to get and I don't wanna have to, I don't wanna make a mill that's gonna have all these specialized parts that are hard to find. And I like building things with parts that are easy to find. And for the most part, like a 10 inch board is gonna be plenty. It'll be plenty of width for what I'm doing. It's really nice to have like two foot wide boards but it's not that big a deal, you know? And that's also the reason why I don't wanna use like a blade that's made for a swing mill because okay, when you have a lumber mill that's a swing blade, lumber mill. You know, it's not a thing like this and out the bottom there's gonna be like a little, like if you use a regular saw blade, there's gonna be like a nut or whatever on the bottom in here which means it's gonna be in the way. So if you can't just cut a board off and then move over and cut a board off you have to like cut and then so if you cut, wait, yeah. So this is all wood down here in that space. So if you cut a board out here you can't just continue moving over and do a cut right here because that's gonna get in the way and hit it. So you actually have to move the blade up half an inch or whatever and then you can cut there. But I'm fine with that. In the one I made before I did that and that's exactly what I did. I just cut a board, then moved up half an inch, cut another board, moved up half an inch and if you buy blades that are made for a swing mill, lumber mill, you won't have this nut sticking down because you'll have a few holes in the blade that bolt into a thing above it and the holes will be, what are they called? Counter sunk holes. So your screws won't be sticking out the bottom at all. But then you have to buy the special blades for that and it costs more. So I'm just gonna go with the regular blade that's cheaper and easier to get and that's fine. 16 inch, 5 16th circular saw blades are common. Well, maybe where you are, but not where I am. I cannot get a 16 inch blade here. I can order one, but I would like to have the option to also buy one. That said, I do also wanna make my lumber mill able to work with a 16 inch blade. So, but I'm gonna plan all the details around a 12 inch blade. Is the saw mill intended to be portable or a fixed location? Well, it'll be somewhat portable. I don't want it to be like locked in a place forever but I also don't need it to be like something I can just take into the jungle and use wherever. It'll need electricity. So, how are you doing DeShanna? I'm good. You wanna come over? Yeah, sure. Oh yeah, you should come over. I'm great. So I don't want a lumber mill that's gonna be like concreted in a spot. Like I wanna be able to move it around the island or if I wanna move it to another island or something, I don't wanna be able to get it onto a boat and move it somewhere and set it up there. But yeah, I don't need it to be portable, portable. Like if I really just need to kind of couple boards in the middle of the jungle or something, I'll just take a chainsaw. Look, Starlink takes almost 100 watts continuous. Oh my God, it's crazy. I can't believe it. You're feeling weird because I was upset. If you were washed through PVC bearings, might serve a two ended conveyor belt for dredging. Actually, I've thought about doing that. I wasn't, okay. So this comes to a thing. I don't know what I was talking about this one. Let me draw a thing. Okay. So they're talking about making a conveyor belt with some PVC bearings that are loose and open. You can dump water on them and mud can get in them and it'll fall and stuff. And I was thinking about making a thing like this. That's powered at one end with a solar panel, not to dredge on its own, but so I could get in the water, scoop buckets out and put them on it and then it would put the stuff where I need it to go. Because having some automatic machinery moving muck means it has to know where the muck is and it gets a lot more complicated. It's much, what's the word? Shouldn't say easier, but it's much more efficient for me to just get in the water and scoop the muck rather than build something that's gonna be complicated that can figure out where the muck is. Now, if I was dredging like huge amounts of something, then it might be worth getting more involved in building stuff like that. But I mean, that's the decision process and a lot of things I do. Like, it's always in a big enough situation, it's always gonna be more efficient to build a machine to do something. But on a smaller scale thing, like when you're living off grid and doing a lot of small things by yourself, often it's more efficient to just do it by yourself with your own muscles and stuff. What do we have this guy here? Yeah, William says, go to the store right now and buy an off-the-shelf 16-inch blade. You're not going to find one. Yeah, there's, I can't find one at the store here. I'd have to order it for sure. Typically swing blade saws cut the horizontal on the first pass and the vertical on the return pass. Yeah, it doesn't matter, you can do it either way. You could cut from both sides but only for one board in the middle of the log. I'm not sure what they're trying to say there, but all right, he's talking about when I was saying with a swing mill blade, you can cut down on one side of the board and move over and cut down the other side and you can get a 10-inch board. So you just cut the vertical sides to 10 inches and then you can cut them. And it doesn't have to be in the middle of the board and it also doesn't mean that you have to have like a 10-inch block and you waste all the rest of the wood. You can still cut like boards out of the sides of the log or whatever if you have a big enough log. I mean, yeah, don't limit yourself purposely. Don't set up, you can't do this things in your head for no reason. They've halved wattage demands for Starlink, 60 max, 12 and 40 volt DC is available now too. Well, it's just too much energy. I don't wanna have like a 60 watt thing going all the time, that's ridiculous. Like what do we have right now? I mean, hardly uses anything like less than 10 watts. Could you modify an old radial arm saw? If I had an old radial arm saw, maybe I would, but I don't. Oh, Tomaters is here. He was out in the shop. Hey, Jamie, were you ever able to get your methane collector, AK poop chamber working? I never saw any follow-up on that. Well, I don't know, it might be working. I have to connect it, I'll try to do it to see if it's working. Could be, yeah. People ask me that a lot. I'm not gonna read that. I don't even know what that means. Yeah, I don't know what that means either. Yeah, who knows. So you're firing me? Yeah, you're fired. Okay. Hey, get back here. Get back to work. So I do a terrible job and I'm fired. This is, Parker, you're fired. Get in here. Gibbs, you're fired. Do your job. Come on. What are you doing? I just wanna make sure that I'm clear that I do a terrible job. Hey, oh God, are you getting all serious on me? Yes, you do a terrible job. No, do it. Do a terrible job. Come on, go. What do you got? You have some questions. Stop touching things. Wait, wait, you can touch things. Why can't I touch things? There's her screen is cracked and you're rolled it. It's not here yet. Silver Fox wants to know, and I have no idea what this is. What if you used a facing mill? I have no idea what that is either. Could somebody Google search or let us know what a facing mill is? Someone here probably knows. Someone was talking about one of those I'm sure an expert. Can you stay on this side of the house please? I don't need to cut any faces off. Like if I, if... Oh, are you getting crayons? Yeah. All right, what was the other? What if instead of rollers, you used sprockets? Again, I have no idea what I'm asking you. I'm thinking, is this the rollers to move? Well... You could then have machine chain as the track. This would prevent the saw head from being able to slip and it takes away some of the jerkiness of movement, moving it with human power. There's a channel called Topper Machine Shop. He did something very similar, but used wire with multiple wraps around the main spindle. So turning on the saw head also activated the feed for the log and would retract using the same system, hitting a limit switch and changing directions. I don't think I was thinking about making a thing that will pull the saw through. I don't want to just change directions. I don't want that much animation though. I want at the end of every cut, I want to have to be there and look at it and make sure everything's going okay. It further says... I don't think I want to do sprockets for wheels though. I want to just do normal wheels. Okay, so I don't need to cut in, but what is a sprocket? A sprockets is a gear. It makes me think of the Jetsons. Specially sprockets. Yeah. So I guess this is talking about like having chain along the thing and then sprockets rolling to move the whole lumber mill. I don't understand. Table thing. It doesn't matter. But yeah, I don't want to drive it that way because like if dirt gets in there, I don't know. It just sounds like it's more complicated than it needs to be. Like I just want it on wheels and on a pipe where sawdust and dirt and stuff can fall off easily and be brushed off easily as it's going by. And then to move the thing, I think I would rather have like a steel cable that's on a really slow winch, like pulling itself through. But I wasn't going to worry about the automated movement of the thing until after I got it working well. Cool. So are you going to automate it at some point? Probably. But like I just want it like one step at a time, you know? Like I want the thing to work really well, just pushing it through and then I can worry about automating it. But what I was thinking was I just wanted to just pull itself through, not reverse. I don't want it to like do too much because the thing is like, when you set up things to do too much stuff like that. Stuff breaks. Yeah, if something goes wrong in the middle of it and the stupid machine just keeps trying to go, it can like wrecks stuff. And then you have to do all kinds of like, you know, redundant things to make sure it doesn't screw it. I'd rather just pay attention now and then. What about two blades with spacers the width of the boards? Well, then you just need more power. I'm just going to go with one blade. One kind of blade. How about a single guide? I did think about, actually, well, on that. I did think about making a mill that is like sort of like a big bow saw thing. Like two things like this. And it'll have a bunch of blades in it. And it just goes. And it very, very slowly moves along through. And it would take like an hour and a half to cut a whole log. Is it like a saw? Like, is that what you're saying? You mean like this? Yeah. You gotta put your hands so you can see. Sorry, is it like a saw? No, it'd be more like a saw. But like several blades. And it would not be a high powered thing. It would just like, it would be the kind of thing where you put a log there. And tie logs later you come back? Yeah, or whatever. It's just like, okay, go. And it just cuts through the log. Just like millimetre at a time. Wouldn't that be more like? No, no, it's gotta, every time the saw cuts, it's only gonna cut like a millimetre or so. Got it. How about a single guide that clamps to the log in situ? What is situ? In the situation? Oh, okay. Then an adjustable carriage cutter that runs along it. Thanks, by the way. No, I don't wanna do that. Okay. Cause then you have to, yeah, I don't wanna have a thing that I have to attach to the log all the time. Plus if you attach, was it attaching to the log? Yeah, it says clamps to the log. Yeah, I don't want things clamping to the log cause it's gonna get in the way of cutting it. What happens when I cut the log all up? Then I'm clamping to like just this little bit on the bottom that's left to cut. Like the smaller the log gets, the harder it's gonna be to clamp on. I'd rather just have like a big thing. The log can go there and this thing drives through. Now, what he's talking about. And the other problem with that is if you just have like one tube thing, whatever for your saw to go on. It's much easier for that to get damaged or bent or out of alignment or whatever. I just want two tracks, like a train track and the thing drives on it. Nice, nice wide thing that will make it very stable to drive the saw blade through the log. Have you seen the YouTube channel on the way out West? No. Because apparently he runs a homemade lumber mill and it's a bandsaw mill. And he does a few things that are kind of neat like he moves the logs on his railway system while the saw is stationary. And anyway, this viewer thought that you might see a few cool ideas there. Anyway, keep things super awesome. Yes, okay. So there are some problems with moving the log instead of the saw. So the log weighs way, way more than a saw. Oh wait, can I ask a question about that first? Oh please, cause the question's so good. Go ahead. Jamie, why rotate the blade when you can more easily rotate the log? That's gonna be the next question. Okay, say you've got a track, like a train track, it's perfectly straight. So you can run it through your saw. If anything gets cut, your log is gonna have so much inertia moving. Even though you're moving it slow, if it gets stuck or anything, it's gonna like damage things. But the saw weighs so much less that if you're going through and somehow it hits something or the blade gets stuck or whatever, the saw doesn't weigh enough that it's gonna like crash like wreck itself, right? Cause if you have like a 1400 pound log and it's moving very, very slowly, you can't stop it instantly. So if it hits something on the edge of, or the blade gets stuck or whatever, it's gonna keep moving for a second and bend things or whatever, yeah. But if you move the lighter part, the saw, then if it hits something, it's gonna be much safer and less likely to damage itself. Okay, now rotating the log. Why rotate the blade when you can more easily rotate the log? Well, the blade and the motor thing weighs 100 pounds. Less than that probably. And I can permanently mount it on a swivel thing that makes it very easy to rotate, right? The log, what, 500 pounds, 1,000 pounds, and the log is not uniform thickness, which means first it's a lot harder to rotate it. And as I rotate it, the log is gonna move up and down. Unless I mount it like on some other blade, unless I mount it like on some lathe thing where it's gonna rotate perfectly, which would be ridiculous, because then as you cut it, you'd be cutting into the lathe ends. Like just rolling the log as it's sitting on something, it's gonna move it and you're gonna end up cutting not straight lines or not lined up lines, right? Right. So if you have, you have a perfect cylinder, sure, you could rotate it and you're gonna cut. Like still straight, but the log isn't gonna be perfectly cylindrical. I like the ending of Joe Camel's response to this person and that was basically moving the log is a waste of time when you could be cutting the boards you want. That is true, yes. Especially when you had to move the log all the way to the lumber bell, it's like, okay, I've moved the log enough. Now I get the log here, now I don't have to move it anymore. What about PVC rails in concrete? Actually, wait, that is also another thing I like about the swing blade lumber mill versus a bandsaw. The bandsaw, you can only cut horizontals, which means you are gonna have to turn the log to cut the other sides. But with the swing blade mill, once you get the log in place, that is it. You don't have to move it anymore. Yeah, okay. So PVC rails set in concrete? Well, I don't want PVC rails because they would degrade in the sun eventually. But also, I'm not sure. Well, anyway, it doesn't matter. I don't want to set it in concrete because I want the thing to be movable. I want to be able to move it. Speaking of that, because I think about that every now and then when I'm driving in my boat about PVC and degradation from floor, whatever, radiation or whatever it is, how long does that take? I don't know. Like, is it matter of months? Or is it like years, decades? Years, not decades. So they think about that with those houses. You know, it depends how much time it's in the sun, how intense the sun is, how thick your plastic is. Is that where it's like number 40 or number like 80 or something like that on us? Yeah, the wall thickness. The wall thickness. Yeah, the wall thickness. So maxed one would like to know, is that a banana in your ear? Did you say, is that a bandana, my dear? I did not say that it's a banana, my dear. I might have done. Are you looking for smooth as a baby's bottom grade saw cut? Yeah, I actually want them to come out like greased. So I'm gonna have a little paintbrush that I will like paint. What about diaper rash? No, it'll paint baby oil on. Oh yeah, I can put some diaper rash on the boards. Then it will smell like a baby's. Smooth as baby's butt. Like a baby's diaper and bum. Yeah, you might want to wipe them with baby wipes first. Well, if I have the lumber mill going and it has some talcum powder that's shaped as the boards are going to. You should get the lilac scented one. It'll make it sleepy. Yeah. It'll settle the boards down a lot. Boards that come out and they're just like. Board. They're like babies. Perfect. Yeah, baby's bum. Maybe a little baby cologne. Although if I really want it to be like a baby's bum, I could just poo on the boards. But you'd have to shape them a bit, wouldn't you? Because baby's bums are not really that straight. I don't really want boards with poo on them. Like baby poo. No, I don't want any poo on it, really. Preferably no poo. So probably not smooth as baby's bottom. Oh, we were just talking about smooth. Yeah, I know. I don't know. With a 12 inch blade, isn't that going to be limiting with attempting to cut large logs? I already answered this. Oh, is that when you fired it? Yes, it's, yeah, that's when I fired it. Yes, whatever size blade you have, you are limited to that size cut. Bansaw, swing blade, whatever it is, whatever size your thing is, will limit your size that you're cutting. Dan N responded to this guy's question for you. Unless you have a mega laser beam. And he said, no, they swing for a 90 degree cut and he might be limited to an eight inch by four inch board. But in three passes, he could cut two inch by four inch boards. I think they were saying limited by the bigger size, not the smaller size. Yeah, maybe. But yeah, with a 12 inch blade, at least the way I made the one before, I could cut a 10 inch board, you know, without, with a bit of clearance. Jean-Paul Simone says, or Simon says, you might want to look up Lucas sawmills. They use the same design with a 14 inch blade. You could run down the length of the log with the blade vertical and inflate the lever and it is reoriented horizontally. You cannot cut large live edge slabs, but for me, making dimensional lumber, it's much faster. So he's basically telling me to make a swing blade melt, which is what I was saying I wanted to make, right? It says, it's much faster than a traditional bandsaw mill strictly because you're cutting in both directions. I don't know about that. Like a bandsaw mill, one inch running good. Like they'll both cut fast. I don't know. That's kind of a pointless argument. Yeah, I think it was just making this suggestion. Moving along. So this is the question I've been dying to ask you. What is it? This was commenting. Is anyone asking questions right now? What if, where is he ignoring everyone? Look, what if someone has something to say? I wonder why it wasn't post. It usually tells me that there's something. Just grow flat tall trees, no mill required. Yeah. No square ones like the watermelons. We just put them in a form. Jamie, we could just put them in a form and they'll grow square, perfectly square. And the form could slowly shave off the bark as it goes up. OK. Anyway, so this is the question I've been dying to ask you. Here you go. You look at your thinking about something else. So what's up? What is the question? I, this was a comment that was left on your zombie chopper video and it was left by Elavid. Elavid? Anyway, I thought. I like how you pronounce people's names. I know, I like to mutilate them because it's funny. I thought there is a high tide every 12 hours approximately, but it seems unimaginable that I, desert dweller, would know more about the tides than Jamie, who swims in the ocean every day. Is there something I'm missing? Well, you've done some research on this recently. I have. Ben Hartley and I did some research yesterday, actually. And you found that in some places. There's only. There's no tide. No tide. Other places, there's like six up and downs throughout the day. One place specifically, it's because it's located in between a river or something that goes out and the ocean and it's called wood hole something. And apparently. It's not Woods Hole. Maybe. Not Massachusetts. Yeah, I'd have to look it up. But anyway, apparently where it's located, the two tides sometimes affect each other. So there's like a minimal tide, you know, variation. Well, you also get tide balance. So like here, as the tide is like coming in, it'll like kind of get to the max and then kind of bounce down a little bit and then go back up. Because like the thing is, in reality, things don't work like. You're right. Yes, Woods Hole is. Hi, Ben. In Massachusetts. Yeah. That's the Woods Hole they're talking about, right? Yeah. They do all kinds of ocean stuff there. Anyway, like think about if you had a big tub with rocks in it and you dumped a bucket of water in it. The water is not just going to like go in some smooth thing. It's going to hit the rocks and bounce around and make all this all this different stuff, right? So like the ocean water throughout the world will move like not just based on like the direct effects of, you know, the moons pulling on it and the sun's pulling on it. It'll also be bouncing off land and off its own waves and stuff. And there'll be all these, yeah. Did you know that there are actually some places? Ben and I also found this out. Ben and I like to do research together. Anyway, apparently there's some places where the sun has no effect on the tide and other places where the moon has no effect on the tide. But there is not a single place where both have no effect. Yeah, here it's like the high tide roughly changes by like 40-ish minutes every day. Like it gets later by 40 minutes every day. And every day it's either getting bigger or smaller. So sometimes we'll get just a really small tide up and down. And then the next day it'll be a little more and then a little more and then a little more. Then a few weeks later we get to the maximum tide where it's like, ooh. And this whole time the time of the tide is changing by something like 40 minutes later every day. So it's constantly changing. And there's two high tides every day. But sometimes they overlap. I looked that up. And it seems the average is between 11 to 13 hours between the two high tides roughly. Right. I'm not all the time, but the average seems to be that, which I thought was interesting. Hold on one second. Hey, Ben, will you post the questions that we were talking about yesterday? Because I can't get into my app to look them up. Well, if you look at the two that we worked on. If you look at the graph of the tides, it's just like all of them. Yeah, it was crazy. And I looked at the tide of the Woods Hole one. And it was like this. It was like a little roller coaster. Yeah. It was pretty crazy. So somebody would like to, classic dude, Mike, would like to know if we celebrate Festivius instead of Christmas. Festivius? It seems Festivius would fit. Festivus? Festivius. OK. No, we don't. I don't know. I don't know what Festivus is. It's Festivus. I know. Oh, you've seen that sign called episode? I saw it. I did not. I don't remember all the episodes. I have a memory of it. I've seen like four sign called episodes. I used to watch them all the time because I like to. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Yeah, I like to lane. She was pretty funny. Yeah. So I remembered I wanted to be like her when I was like 12. I remember there was an episode where Jerry couldn't remember the name of his girlfriend, but he remembered it. Her name rhymed with the female body part. And at one point she was storming out and said, you don't even remember my name. And he said, Malva? Dolores. Oh, Dolores Clitoris. Ah. Malva. Malva. Which rhymes with vulva, yes. Who named somebody Malva? But that's like all the exposure I had for this show. I'm in a soft few episodes. Rolfi would like to know how are you guys doing? Oh, god. Every day we want to strangle each other. I don't think you meant. Oh, you mean how is everything going out of this? Marvelous. Oh my god, I'm about to see the same stupid face. I know. I got that face from you to Sam. Question. I'm really starting. Oh, thank you. Thank you. I'm going to ask you those in a minute. Don't. Don't want. Don't read those questions. OK. OK. Can I get a stretcher on that one? Jimmy Freeman would like to know what's going on, hero. Dude, is that Gordon Freeman's other brother? I think so, maybe. Oh, Jimmy. Yeah, we've been playing Half-Life 2 a little bit with my kids. My kids love Half-Life 2. Well, they like Half-Life 1 more. I can't say I like Half-Life 1 more, too. Because it has a. You're all shit. In Half-Life 1, I have it in Russian, yes. Even without, even not being able to understand what any of the people say, it has a much better storyline than all of Half-Life 2. Because you do all this stuff. You send the rocket to outer space to get some communications going with some thing. You repair a reactor to get some teleport going so that you can get to the alien other world place. And you have to explore your way through this alien world and stop this brain monster. You do all kinds of weird stuff. But then in Half-Life 2, it's just kind of like fighting through some city with some soldiers and stuff. Because you can't really see your shirt. And usually, we can see it. Oh, it's cool like this. Let's kiss you. No, you have to pull the hair. Everyone doesn't have to see my shirt. It doesn't matter. Oh, wow. Now we're more than the thing. Well, it's just, yeah, it frames it better, too. Because I'm pretty sure all this shows up. I don't know what to say in the video, so. OK, what's going on? If you stop talking, I'm just going to start making faces on myself. OK, well, I have to ask you the question now that I have. Hold on. Apparently, Rolfy wants your shirt. You should make a J-MO game. I want to make a J-MO game. How much electricity do you use per day? I don't know. I have one 275-watt solar panel on my house. And that's all I use. OK, so Ben and I were talking about what kind of questions we could ask you that were more, not necessarily philosophical, but less about building and more about life. But all I know about building. And one of the questions that we came up with was this one, which was starting an intentional community of like-minded people seems like a natural step in setting an example of the ABC Principles and Virtues. However, historically speaking, intentional communities seem prone to failure. Why do you think maintaining them is so hard? And would you agree with that failure thing? Did you do any research on intentional communities failing? We did. Well, what's the word? Like just getting one started is like hard. And then like every, like getting past the first year is like ridiculous. Well, so what they said was generally speaking with them the first year or two, if they don't, like if they don't continue, not if they don't continue, but they will fail. Yeah, they'll fail. If they get past, like if they get to the five-year mark, though, generally speaking, they are successful. And that they're successful often for a generation until the original people who started it. Sometimes even the second generation will be successful because they usually are born in that system that they learn about. But at some point, at some point, they often should probably help you or Bellatrix. Lose the message. Like they don't teach their kids. Right. And that's what we were talking about this morning. About which is kind of important. I think one of the problems with starting an intentional community is that, OK, one of the problems that I've had is that there are a lot of people who want to join me as followers, which means if I'm the leader, if I'm holding it together, as soon as I'm gone, the whole thing falls apart, which I don't want. So I much rather try to find people who are also like putting forth the thing, like doing the thing. Not just doing it because I'm doing it, or because, you know, I'm doing it because it's something that resonates with their soul. Yeah, I want to start a community where it's like, I mean, I guess I've started the community, but I want people in the community who are independent of me also wanting to do the same kind of thing. And that doesn't mean they can't learn anything from me. I can't learn anything from them. Yeah, obviously, we learn stuff from each other. But I don't want to be like the Jesus who has the disciples who follow around. And then as soon as I'm not there, it's like, well, let's forget it. In 500 years. Can you imagine being Jesus and like looking back and being like, you know, people are starting wars in my name and stuff, and they're doing all the look at these people. They're not even taking care of the planet. What is it? I'm not coming back. Forget it. That's why Jesus isn't coming back. Jesus is not coming back. Because he's just like, oh, forget these. See, people aren't doing it at all. What the fuck? Forget it. It's not coming back. I'm going to do something else. Yeah. That's what Jesus is saying. And I don't want to have that. We were talking about the whys behind it not getting beyond the second generation, like an intentional community. And I was saying that I felt like it was because if you look at historically, like you can compare it to slavery, for example. And when you get so many generations removed from the event, so like people being slaves. I think this is going to be backwards. Well, with the slavery thing, you take people out of their community and then put them in the slavery after a couple of generations. All they know is slavery. Right. And they can't go back. Right. But with the intentional community, if that would mean that if you have a couple of generations of people who've been in the community, they wouldn't know how to go back. But the problem is that they leave the community, not that they're stuck in it. Right. And so what I was just saying was now I'm completely confused. This is exactly what happened earlier. You asked me why it was that we couldn't have the same kind of conversation that we were having earlier today. And it's because I get completely flustered and confused with what I'm talking about. And I had it all written down, too. What you were going to say to me? And then it's like, ah, I lost it. Yeah. OK, so just give me a second. My point was, is that the third generation, let's just say the third generation. Yeah. So you've got a generation of people who started the community and then their kids. Their descendants. Their kids. And then their kids. Right. So we're at the third generation at this point who may or may not have been involved with the creation of the community depending on the length of time. They probably weren't. So they have no concept of the amount of work or whatever. They're not invested in the community. So they see the outside world as this unfamiliar treasure. You know, what's the word? Not treasure, but luxury stuff. Maybe not even luxury, but a different thing. Oh, neat thing. Maybe somehow they're dissatisfied with something in there. And the grass is greener. And they're presented with this thing that they're not familiar with. And so they get lured away. And so I think that that could be why. There's also tons of marketing, like encouraging people to move to cities. And you see movies about New York City, for example. And it's always so glamorous and amazing. Have you ever been to New York City? You're just freaking dumb. It's pretty gross and hot. I mean, most of the streets in New York City and Manhattan smell like urine and vomit. And there's just garbage everywhere. You know, they're not on Fifth Avenue. But you know, just like every other street. Such a dumb. And then people act like it's this utopia. But they're just shoving all the filth and the homeless people and all the broke people. They shovel that to the sides. Whenever they get the cameras out and stuff. So question is, have you seen or eaten jelly palm berries? Well, wait, I don't want to get off the. I know. Jelly palm berries? I asked you because I was like, wait, that sounds interesting. That sounds amazing. That sounds sort of like dates. I want to date palm, but we're not. We're too wet here. Anyway, I think we're going back to where we're talking. Yeah, this is kind of related to what you're saying about, you know, if a generation that starts a pindal palm. OK, we're going to have a generation that starts this intentional community. And this can happen with anything. It doesn't have to be specifically an intentional community, like business. Like someone we know who is part of a kung fu dojo place. Right. You know, she was saying they went through hundreds of people to get like a core group of half a dozen people who were serious about this kung fu stuff and really doing it. But then her kung fu master guy from Japan died. And she said as soon as he died, it just started going downhill. And it's because they had that common. Well, this is what I was talking about. That guy was the leader. And he was making it all work. And that means as soon as that guy's gone, the whole thing falls apart. Well, you need an apprentice. No, I need to. I don't want to be the leader. No, I totally need to. This is a problem like I keep having with people wanting to be in a community. And it's not like a bad thing that people want to follow. It's just it's not something that will be for the future. Anyway, so what you're saying earlier was that you have the group of people who start a community. And then their kids are just in it. They didn't have to do any work to make it or anything. So they're just like, oh, I don't have to. They don't want to appreciate it. It's just this thing that was there. And they just don't care about it. And maybe it doesn't have this kind of value to them because they never invested themselves. Well, and also because they never experienced the slavery, the alternative. And so they think, oh, the grass is greener over there. And then they get into that. And then they get sucked into that. Well, I think one of the problems with that is I think this a lot of this comes down to the way people are raising their kids. They're not including them or informing them So a lot of times like you'll have a community like that where they shelter the kids and don't let them be exposed to the outside world. And then they get curious, like, what is this outside world that I've seen in these movies that looks like it's pretty good. And then you get there, you go to New York City and find out, oh, it's all urine. Everyone's living in these little tiny apartments. And yeah, it kind of sucks, except for the 1 tenth of a percent of the rich people who have these. I wouldn't even want to live in the horrible apartments, you know, looking over the park. No space, even that. But anyway, you got to be like closely connected with your kids. You got to raise your kids really well. And once you get something set up, like if you're setting up an intentional community, a lot of the way people think about it is like we set it up and then it's there. But it has to be a work in progress. Like the kids come along. There has to be something for them to do. It can't just be like we're investing into what it has to be. They have to have some role in it. You can't just set it up. And it's like, OK, kids, here it is for you. Here's your life, you know, laid out before you. You have no choices. It's just setting up another thing of slavery. And somebody just actually said something about this here. Actually, when I mentioned, because this is related is no. I mean, and I'm sure a lot of my child was probably joking. But that that actually is a good point is that tell them tell the kids to get eaten by monsters if they leave. No, I mean to them is definitely not like that's not beneficial because they're going to find out that that's not true. And no, you have to like I always tell the kids any time they have questions about, you know, the outside world. They're like, well, watch movies every week. They have, you know, movie nights and they'll ask me questions about, you know, why are people doing this and that and whatever. And I'll explain and I'll give them the truth about what is what is in the world outside. And anytime we experience, you know, if we talk to people who are, you know. Kind of idiots, I'll explain this is this is. People think this way normally in in large cities, like that's just the way they think. And then, you know, the kids are like, oh, I don't want to do that. But but just in the community itself, you have to let the kids get involved. If you have an intentional community and you set up their lives for them, they're going to be bored. And it's just going to be like this this slavery thing themselves. You have to let them be involved. And and once once the kids start getting to the age where they can do things, you have to let them kind of take over not take over and take over your thing, but like take over the direction of what you're doing. So do you think that it would be a good idea to help your kids build their own like house? Yeah, totally. But mostly let them do it. Well, the thing is like I'm going to I'm going to help our kids. Little buddy, I got to turn this down. Yeah, it can't be on that. It can't be on the life. You can go downstairs and turn it up if you'd like to. Well, so I'm going to help our kids make houses here unless they, you know, don't want to or whatever. But I mean, they seem like they want to build houses here. And yeah, I'm going to help them with whatever they need help with. But I'm going to get them involved as much as possible. And even on projects like around around my property now, like yesterday, we spent half the day digging and moving dirt and doing all this stuff together. And they get involved with that so that they are invested in in what's going on there. And, you know, as as we start getting plants that start producing fruit, they're they're like, hey, you know, I helped plant that tree. And, you know, I did this to it and made this. And now now we get the fruits. It's like it's like my thing. It's not just a thing my dad did. He's like, like, I'm involved in it. So I really want to make sure they stay involved. So there's an interesting thing Ben is mentioning here about. I want to talk about this for a second. Yeah, this is right after. So this guy says industrialization industrialization looks impressive and cool, but you have to be a bit of a slave to participate. And the other thing is like it looks better than it is a lot of times. Like, if you've never had a phone and you see this phone and it plays movies and you can talk to someone in Japan screen and yeah, it's like, oh, my God. Like, like, it's like a jellyfish that does whatever I want. You know, it's like, but the thing is, once you actually get it, you realize your life turns from doing things to just like. And like people who get sucked into this thing, they lose so much more than they gain. And you don't you don't get that seriously when you first see it from the outside. You have to actually participate in it, like get involved with it for a while. And then you realize how addictive and time-wasting it is and how and how useless it is to a large degree. Like the actual actual usable functions on a phone is maybe like one percent of what people do. Most of the time people are using a phone or their tablet or whatever to just screw around and waste their life. Right. Yeah, what was the other. So Ben was talking about how in the Amish communities, they have the choice of becoming part of the community or not. Rum spring out. Yeah, once they reach a certain age and like, I think that's kind of cool. Well, in that they're actually supposed to spend like a year out of the community, just like going around in the world and getting drunk and stoned and whatever and just just seeing what it's like. And then they decide if they want to come back or if they want to leave. Right. But if they come back, they are back. Right. Yeah, I totally get that. I don't know if I'd want to do that. I mean, I wouldn't stop. But I wouldn't stop. I think my kids should do whatever they want. But I'm going to I'm going to try to stop them doing like stupid things. Yeah. But once they get old enough, like their choice, they choose whatever they want. But I think that the important thing that people often miss is that as a parent, it's your job to teach them enough that when they get to the age where they can make their own decisions that they make good decisions, you know. Right. But that's something that's been given up today. People people aren't raising kids anymore. That's why we have so many dumb people in the world. Like people aren't people aren't being taught anything by their parents. They're just kind of like, you know, most parents today are like, OK, go off to school. You'll learn everything you need to learn. Right. Yep. Just go away and go to daycare, whatever. Go to your classes and your sports. And they have no real close participation with their kids. So that's actually M.J.P. has a good point here. Don't tell the kids what to do. Ask them or just get them involved. Yeah. Well, I know it's sometimes you have to tell them what to do. Right. But yeah, you it is always important to pay attention. And it's not even necessarily asked them. Like there are times when you ask them, but a lot of it is just listening. So even when they're when you have to make them do stuff, you know, when they're young, you have to you basically control everything they do. And as they get older, you give them more freedom, you know, as they become more able to do things. But even besides asking them, just pay attention. Like, like, hear what they're saying, because they'll say things that you don't have to ask about. And you might not even know what you should ask them, but they'll tell you if you're paying attention, you could take field trips to really terrible cities. So let them see the the cost of all this progress. Well, we don't go places very often. But when we were doing our residency garbage here, we had to go to twice. We had to go to, you know, maybe your cities. And yeah, we went to Panama City, which is like all the way at the other end of the country. And like, let's see, we got there one night, slept in a place. The next morning we like went out within like two hours. The kids are just like, oh, can we just go home? This is noisy. There's no space. It's just terrible. Just everything is horrible. And we like went to Pizza Hut and had pizza. And it's like, well, this is great. But like, I would rather just go home and have pizza, you know, because there's there's space. And I can go outside and walk around. Yeah. They. So going back to the discussion we're having about slavery and also like how many generations removed from it? It takes for people to become complacent in their own slavery that they don't realize they're. So this is going back to people who are in the system. Yeah. So you have the first generation. I think it's important to say that because people will think that you're talking about like, you know, old, tiny slavery. But you're not just talking about that. Like today, most people are enslaved. Yeah, I'm talking about like when people became chained to their desks, basically, because in order to survive or just financially, they had to work. Yeah. Everyone who owes money is not free. Right. And I know I I mean, I had a student loan that sucked in the whole time. I paid it off like in less than a year. And I worked like crazy to pay it off because I just felt like I was I had no control over my life. Like, yeah, I was just a slave. So you have that generation. So the generation that's in debt works very hard, gets out of debt. Is like, who has children? Those children are really annoying thing is like my parents did that. Got out of it. But anyway, so many parents, they tell their kids, go get a car, get your five year loan, get your mortgage, get your third year loan, student loan, get loans, get loans, credit, credit, credit. You know, here's credit cards. You can buy whatever you want. Like, like credit is pushed on people by their idiot parents. It's the dumbest thing ever. Right. Totally. Yeah, what do you have? So you have the you have some parents who go into debt and they get out of debt and you work pretty hard to get out of debt. They have children. Yeah. They've at this point established their career and have made enough money where they have some kind of substantial savings and they're able to maybe and they're able to provide their family with a reasonable lifestyle. But the children have no idea the amount of work that went into gaining those things. So now they're just entitled to it and they have no concept of freedom. So how do you now they're scared of everything? You know, they're scared of getting out of the system because the system is so safe and it takes care of them. So how do you encourage people to understand like to value their freedom over their safety? Well, first, you have to understand that it's not a choice between freedom and safety because what people are doing is they're giving up their freedom so that their safety is in someone else's hands, which is so not safe. It just means someone else decides how safe you are. That's that's how most people live today. And and it's easy to just outsource your responsibilities. It's it's easy to do that at any moment. Like, I just don't want to do it, let someone else do it. It's definitely not safer. You're definitely not getting more safety by giving up your freedom. But you're more vulnerable. Right. Your freedom and reliant. But someone is willing to give up their their freedom for this illusion of safety. It's not it's not it's just to put it in to put all the responsibility in someone else's hands. Someone's willing to do that. They're not going to want to look at the truth of the situation. Right. I mean, I don't know how I mean, they're being bombarded with like you can't go outside because you might die. You can't drive a car because you might die. You can't eat this kind of food because you might die. If you don't go to the doctor, you know, regularly and get all these shots, well, you have to live in the city or you'll die. If you like grow your own food, you might die. What is this like half the point of doing me doing all these YouTube videos for all these years? And even before that, I was doing stuff on the website and stuff, trying to trying to show some example of, you know, maybe you don't need to be afraid of everything all the time. Maybe you can try to do some things on your own here. But it's like it's like I'm I'm like one little guy trying to sell that while there is this huge world of marketing that is just telling people you can't do anything yet. Just buy it, buy it, buy your stuff. Don't don't try to do anything yourself. It's dangerous and scary. You've got to buy things and you've got to stay. You've got to stay near the hospital all the time and you've got to stay near the safety net or you might die. Yeah. So I guess I guess like a lot of the I don't I don't know how to do it. I don't know how to convince people that it's worth it to have freedom because the argument against that is, well, if I have freedom, I'm free to fail. Yeah, you're free to fail anyway. But if you don't try in the first place, you've failed already. So I like what Ben just responded with and that he can't stand it when people say to him like when he's being safe and he likes to come back with take risks, take risks. And I mean, silly. So sitting on the side, but then you get people who are going to put a spin on everything and they think take risks means skydiving and, you know, taking drugs and, you know, doing like driving with your eyes closed, like taking stupid risks. And then so they just equate taking any risk to taking a stupid risk. And then they say, oh, can't ever take any risks. But you have to take risks to do anything. Well, your whole life is a risk. I mean, waking up in the morning, it's like getting out of bed and getting out of bed is risky, staying in bed is risky. What percentage of people think like me? I know, maybe half a percent. Dude, I don't know. It could be one percent of all the people I know. Yeah, I don't know. It's not. And sometimes I think maybe I'm just insane. So coming from the side, the other side of it, because like I would say that my mentality probably means more towards being afraid of things versus like yours of like taking risks. Oh, yeah, I'm working on it. But like take little steps. No, you're a lot better now. I remember when you first moved in my house in Vermont, you would not go outside at night. Yeah, no. You it was like absolutely no. Yeah. Yeah. You were like in the room with the light. You would not even go in the other room. No, no light in there. Definitely not. Yeah. Now I can walk down the wharf to where the houseboat was talking to myself with a flashlight. And I'm running. Yeah, I remember like when you were when you first moved to my place off grid and you had a job where you came home at night. And at first, you just get me to walk all the way down the mountain and walk up with you. And finally, I was one day I was like, look, just start walking up a meet you halfway. And I can't but by the time I actually got to you, you only got like a quarter of the way up. Yeah, I know. But you were just like, you had your phone and you were talking. It's the last actually, I remember this. I think we're talking and just like, no, it's like, it's because like it's this thing inside of my body that like seizes up and it's like my heart rate increases and like they can't breathe. And it's just like it's it's difficult. I totally remember that experience too, because I called Celeste the first person I could think of. And she got me all the way up to the pond and it wasn't even dark yet. And the thing that stopped me was going into the trees because it's darker in the trees. For me, I like being in the dark. Yeah, I don't. Like I would much rather be in the dark than in the light. Now, because then people can't see me and I can do what I want without people. Of course, here I am making YouTube videos. Interestingly enough, in my house now, like I very rarely have a light on at night time. If I have to go up and down the stairs to go do something like I don't need the light. Like I can see things now pretty well. You also don't throw up on the boat anymore. Yeah, that's great. So here's a question. Oh, OK. Wait, let's just make sure that we got. I want to here we go. Take the ride says, do you think humanity will diverge into in two different directions? One being cyborgs and the other biological humans living off the land and utilizing discarded items from the cyborg. That sounds like a movie. That's like a synopsis to a movie I've seen. Yeah. Is that like? I don't know. I'm thinking of a movie with a kid. I just thought of Johnny Mnemonic for a minute. They had the low takes. Yeah, yeah, that too. That was the one with the low takes. Had a dolphin. Yeah, I used to. I mean, he's hilarious. He's like so melodramatic all the time. He's great. I wonder if he's like that in real life. I bet he's funny. Anyway, yeah, I mean, that's a possibility. Yeah. Like having divergent, like, yeah, I mean, we could end up with divergent species. I don't know what's going to happen, man. The future of humanity is just like there's so many ways it can go. We could just like totally wipe ourselves out. We could end up diverging. You know, I think the best thing that could happen to humans in general is for people to diverge more, stopping so global and start having like more branches of evolution. Because the thing is, if we all become the same, you know, it's just like the bananas that, you know, when you have all only, yeah, you only have one type of banana, it gets one sickness. They're all wiped out and they have to switch to a totally different type of bananas. Like if all people keep converging more into the same thing, like one thing could kill us all. But if you have different types of people living in different ways and different communities with different biology and different DNA and stuff, you could have something that could completely wipe out several sections of humanity and other people would be OK. So in just in terms of survival, it would be better for humans to diverge more. Three and I have one. Oh, we wait. So I wanted to mention something about evolution and something I learned about the dinosaurs recently, like yesterday. What's funny about the dinosaurs? What was it, like 100 millions of years or whatever? They never made like a hammer. I want to tell you my thing. I made it. And they all got melted by lava. OK, OK. So apparently they weren't wiped out by this giant asteroid. Like they left in a spaceship. They did. What were you going to say? OK. That's what happened in my video again the first time. I know. So the reason that they became extinct was due to volcanic activity. More specifically? Like the volcanoes, like erupted a ton or big ones or whatever and it caused carbon dioxide to like increase in the atmosphere, which basically killed them. The asteroid didn't help, but that was only one time that that happened to line up. But all the other times they've done a bunch of research and figured out that it was the big extinction, whatever they're called, the mass extinctions, the five of them that have happened because of volcanic, volcanism, volcanism or whatever. The volcanoes came. Yeah, they did. They were like, we don't like these dinosaurs. Come on, let's get rid of those dinosaurs. We want more creatures who look more like us. Edward Wilmuth would like to stop by for a visit. Ed. Come on by. I think that might be Ed and Nila. Oh, is that Ed? Yeah, totally. Yeah, dude, Ed, come by. I messaged Nila. Yeah, what are you doing, Ed? Yeah, Nila. Well, it's you. Yeah, yeah, totally. I can't right now, buddy, but it's four. You've got to count four cupcakes. Hold on. He's reading cupcakes? I'm sure you've been asked this before. This one. The chain is being fired right now. But what do you think of Earth ships? Oh, man. Don't get me started on. No, we're moving on to Earth ships, sorry. No, no, I'm going to talk about micro-owns a little bit. For how many minutes? For like one minute. I'm trying to make it fast. Why can't I talk about it? This is a big thing. So there's this movie called Garbage Warrior about micro-owns and the Earth ships and you know, all that stuff. Totally worth watching. It's a really good movie. Early morning, the ending is so depressing. Like the second half of the movie is just, he just gets bogged down by government regulations and stuff. It is so frustrating. But the beginning is just amazing. It's doing all this experimental buildings and stuff. Okay. My thing on the Earth ships is that they started out with this guy doing all of these experimental houses and you know, figuring out like really cool stuff, like how to build cool houses that you know, grow food and you know, do whatever to keep the temperature right. You know, they've just very efficiently made houses that work really well. And he basically got shot down by the government because he was making communities of houses that were super cool. And he had to fight and fight and fight and waste so much time and energy and finally got permission, you know, sort of like sort of like permits. What's it called when you're building permits? Like for an Earth ship. Like a specific thing, which is not the point of them. The original point was that they're experimental. You could try new things. It's not like a set thing. Mike Reynolds, he was in New Mexico. Okay. Yeah. I'm just making sure we're talking about the same. Anyway, the Earth ships are cool, but they lost a lot of the thing. Like a lot of the experimental, the evolution of changing as you go by fricking regulations. So, so now they become, you know, more accepted by mass culture. However, it's like a watered down crappy version of it. That's been accepted. That's, that's what keeps happening. It's, but Mike Reynolds seems like a super cool dude. I've never actually met him though. You have a question about creativity. Right. So actually that brings me the whole concept of evolving building techniques or whatnot. Yeah. So that brings me the question about creativity and humans and intelligence levels that we were talking about this morning. And do you think that people are born with like an innate sense or ability or skill to be creative? Or do you think it's something that. Yeah. And, and so yes, Benanter. So yeah, people are born with like an imagination. Right. Which is, which is probably our most uniquely human. Okay. And so that being said, do you think intelligence level plays a part in a person's ability to be more or less creative? Or do you think everybody. You're saying if someone is the same creative. No, everyone, everyone doesn't start it. Okay. The whole like everyone is creative equal. This doesn't mean that everyone's created the same. Like people have more, like greater or lower abilities and stuff. I mean, everyone's, everyone should have the same rights, you know, in terms of that everyone should be equal. But everyone is not born with the same smarts. But in the, in the adventure builders club since. Okay. In the adventure builders club, imagination is like a combination of mind and spirit. Because if you, if you just like come up with ideas without using your mind and without figuring out how they fit into reality, you can come up with like all kinds of crazy ideas that just don't work. They're not useful or anything. And you know, you're, you just, just focusing on your, what are you guys doing? All right. He's doing math. So just using your mind, you know, you can do math and logical things like that. And you know, just using your spirit, and you know, emotionally come up with, you know, things that don't conform to anything else. Like that's where you get your new ideas. When you combine them, you can come up with new ideas that actually fit into reality in some way. It's sort of like, it's sort of like your mind has this puzzle in it. And you put all these puzzle pieces in that makes sense that like kind of paint a picture of the world. So that you have an idea of how things work and stuff. And when you use your imagination, you're going into the unknown, this outer space, black void or whatever and finding puzzle pieces. And there's just all these puzzle pieces, but you have to figure out which puzzle pieces can actually fit into reality and be usable. So that's like, whenever, whatever I'm trying to design some new thing I've never seen before. And I'm trying to figure out how to make it work for real. You know, I'm trying to come up with ideas in my imagination. That can actually become a thing that works in real life. So, yeah, I mean, to have your imagination work, you have to have, you have to have like intelligence and logic and stuff. And also that like spiritual like fluffiness. Yep. Does that make sense? Oh yeah. You didn't pay attention to that. Hello. All right. In the occult imagination is mentioned as magic. Then ruling us laws and contracts. Is there occult concept of society or sorcery? I like that mind spirit explanation. That's what I was getting at, you know, a previous conversation. We were talking about last night. That's what he was trying to express in that conversation. So wait, what is this here that each writing is saying in the occult imagine in the occult, imagination is mentioned as magic. And then ruling us laws and contracts. Is there occult concept of sorcery? Yeah, magic. I mean, if you could. Yeah, I don't know. So Ben says 100% imagination and creativity are a big part of what makes us human and different from animals. Yeah. Apparently we're the only primates who can imagine something that we've never seen. Oh, I remember the experiment where they had like monkey and whatever. And they're trying to see if they could recognize like a green bird, for example, because it's something that I've never seen or they, I don't remember what the experiment was, but they're like somehow they couldn't, they couldn't imagine a green bird until they saw it. But a human being like, I can say bird, you see a bird. Purple polka dotted green bird, you see a green bird with purple polka dots on it. Now we can replace its wings with turtles. And now you can see a bird with turtles for wings and, you know, 20 different people would have 20 different pictures of what this thing is all coming from their imagination. And apparently we're as far as, I mean, I haven't done both research on this or anything, but as far as I know, we're the only ones that can do that to have that imagination that can come up with something we've never seen before, which is why humans are able to make, you know, garbage like this, you know, and get gentle and like this, like no other animal, dinosaurs were around for a hundred million years. They never made these. So unless they did and they got lost in the lava. It's possible. Or they took them with them on the streets. There's another article that I read that where they basically discovered a, I don't want to say, yeah, it's a hominid species, hominid, whatever, like a humanoid. Yeah, hominid. Yeah, we've got a hominid species. Anyway, that's not the important thing. The important thing is. Humanoid, yeah. Humanoid. Humanoid. And it had a brain the size of an orange, but they also discovered that they were able to do a lot of the creative things that we have connected to having a large brain. So they were able to do all the same things, having the small orange size brain. Yeah, I'd buy that. I found that if I organize my brain correctly, I don't strain my brain at all doing what other people think is very difficult. So there's that. Yeah. Also in regards to the dinosaurs having been creative or not creative or whatever, I mean there's a chance that we just haven't been able to find it. Well, yeah, it might have been all burned up in the lava, or maybe they just they just left in their spaceships and took all their little cubes of titanium and everything. Yeah. And I don't know if we... But the thing is there would be, there should be some sign. Like we found frigging 100 year old, 100 million year old footprints, right? Right. But no. Pencil. Fossil. It's not that they would make a pencil, but they make something that did not incur in nature. Like we haven't found anything on that. Okay. So speaking of talking about that, which makes it seem like kind of crazy that we act. I mean that we got this imagination. Like that was like when in the lottery. Right. So out of all the things that we have currently, millions of years from now, what will actually be left of those things besides plastic? Oh God. We're going to be known as the garbage age. There's just going to be this layer. Or whatever monsters will drill down into the earth. You know, take these cores and say, Oh, this is a history of the planet. Here we've got a layer that's like 400 million years. Here's the plastic layer. This was the humans they called themselves. We know this because in the plastic, we can read words that is, they call themselves humans. Yeah. We're going to be called the garbage age. So horrible. Jamie, what will you do with your remaining time? What's your main objective? My remaining time in my life. I'm guessing that's what he means. Just do my best to make, make the world around me as good as I can. Show the best example. I can to the people around me. Particularly my own children. And be the best person I can be. Oh, I think a cult might be a movie or something. Oh, in the occult. Because he says it's not easy to understand. You have to see it for yourself if you have time left to watch. Oh, the occult. Oh, let's watch it. Okay. Ben says, if your ideas are creative and novel, but they aren't good solutions, it is easy to get shot down and discouraged by other adults. Okay. Because he was saying that it's easier to crush creativity in children when their spirit is strong, but their might is weak. Yeah. Totally. And that's what we do. That's what school is for. That's the main point of school right now, which is so frustrating. Here's the thing. This is the reason not many people think like me. It's because it's unbelievably frustrating to take away the veil and look at what's actually going on. Because it is, oh my God, just kids are being crushed. Like when I think about, now that I see what's going on in the world and how things happen, I look at my own childhood and the schooling that I had, and I'm just like, it was so horrible. Like they were just stripping the imagination out of people, which is the single most valuable thing we have is your imagination. Because that's the thing that can solve problems. That's the thing that can change the world, you know? And they're just, they're just like, hey, kids, sit in your chair, don't move, do what you're told. No imagination. Oh, you're doing something. I remember I was sitting in a math class one day. I'd finished my assignment like way before I was, you know, I had all this extra time. So I was drawing pictures of monsters. My math teacher got angry at me. I yelled at her for drawing pictures of monsters in math class. Even though I had answered all the questions correctly and I was already done. At least you're sitting there quietly and not being a destructive maniac. Yeah, I mean it's like, I was like, oh God. So if I went back through school right now, I think I would have a lot. Actually, by the time I got to high school, I started fighting with teachers. Yeah. I'm ready to go to you. Yeah. It's almost one. Well, let's go eat some food. Great. Yeah. I guess we're gone. We were supposed to have some kind of outro. Someone was saying we should have an intro and an outro. Okay. So. Chameleon. So. Jamie got super frustrated today. She fired to see them in color bad names. She ain't got fired today, but she did her job. Okay after that. Our job anyway. All right. All right. See you later. It's garbage age. Yeah. No, it's just so bad. We can fix it. Let's fix it. kind of accidental in that there is so much to teach children about educators to forget the value of fostering creativity and novel solutions. I just want to say actually before we go about teaching children. Most of their time should be learning on their own. Right. Just doing stuff. There's this guy, his name is Gtegno. Gtegno. He's from Egypt. I'm sure you're saying it right. Bye. Anyway, he encourages this way of teaching called the silent way. If anybody's interested and that's kind of how I try to teach our kids and that's where you only give them the information that they could absolutely not figure out on their own. So like knowing the names of things. Like the numbers. Right. Anyway, bye. Yeah, what do you want? What do you got? I'm doing this. What is it? Three plus two? What's three plus two?