 كفاء لشاس برسة بلاس ناكو وكومنسي بكل سعادة وشرف أفتحوا هذه المحاضرة ونفتحها ب... فيلم حول المنظمة العالمية وسيكون فيلم أمامك ومشاء الله شكرا أمامك ومشاء الله شكرا شكرا أمامك شكرا شكرا شكرا شكرا شكرا شكرا ألو مزيد، جميعًا، ورقم في إجابة المزيد من العالم التعليق من يدعم السبوذيوم. نحن نتباق لتقديم, لكن نحاول إمكاننا إعجاب رحل في بعض الأسئلة. نتباق لكم تجزء هذا المنظمة، هو أن نتتكلم بشكل مكامل. نجد أكتف أكثر 10 منتصر. ثم نتتكلم في مكامل عميات التحقوق. نحن سوف نتفقل على المهمة of this WTIS which is the role of measurement or indicators in growing the economy or attracting domestic and foreign investment so without much ado I would like to introduce you Mr. Guy Bowell Guy is the founder of World Startup Report and is going to make a keynote address please may you come to the podium Thank you Dr. Zava Zava Mr. Chairman Welcome distinguished guests from 96 countries and a special thanks to ITU as well as the government of Tunisia for hosting this great event Today I would like to have a quick chat about data-driven approach to government investing and policy making so without further ado if you somebody can put the slides on the presentation there we go let's get started again my name is Bowell I'm the founder of the World Startup Report in the past 10 years I've worn many hats I started out as an engineer about 10 years ago I worked on the first iPhone after that I decided to start a few companies one I wish was sold to LinkedIn in 2011 and 6 months later I was the most successful IPO in that year Using the money from my exits I invested in a few companies but more importantly I used the money to fund a research to go across 29 countries on 6 different continents to understand what is a start-up ecosystem like in every single place and that turned out to be my most important contribution to everybody and that also led me to the Philippines where I ended up working hand in hand with the Philippine government for the past few years and I called this role the magician role and I think most of you will understand this because you're asked to do everything with little or no money and you want to get results tomorrow so it's a magical role but all the guys are doing it so I would like to go and actually take a look at this topic from 3 separate perspectives first from the founder perspective then from the research perspective and last from a government perspective and as a founder the IT industry has come a long way these last 10 years 10 years ago when I started only one of the top 10 companies in the world was in IT business now 7 out of 10 top companies are in IT business the entire industry has changed the entire world has changed and we are the future of the world number 2 is unicorn sightings unicorn in our industry is called the companies basically that over 1 billion US dollars in company value and the term unicorn didn't even exist in 2007 but now there are over 304 newly created unicorn companies company was over 1 billion dollars in value and these are growing day by day personally from a culture perspective that also changed a ton because when I started in 2007 telling people that I want to build an IT startup company my grandma asked me are you having trouble finding a job in America? and now today my grandpa is the one that sends me articles about startups and artificial intelligence how the world has changed in just 10 years and none of this would have been possible without your help you have put in billions of dollars and countless number of hours and that's why we succeeded and all these programs big or small everything counts so as a founder of an IT startup I just want to say thank you for everything you're doing we appreciate it now let's take a look at the same topic from a different perspective as a researcher I look at this and ask the following question so what is the actual impact on the success of these startups and what is the return on investment for all these government programs and I don't think you'll be surprised but the answers to answer these questions I take a look at this program called Global Entrepreneurship Week which I believe many of you guys are participating in it's basically a program that is across 170 different countries 20,000 partners 35,000 events in one week period every year 10 million people participate in this program and this is the span of how wide the entrepreneurship program is nowadays but how does that translate into successes well not so much as you can take a look from this picture most of the successes happens on the east coast of China and west coast of America and the picture doesn't do justice because if you actually dive down into numbers 50% of the successful billion dollar exit company are coming from the US out of which about a third of all the world's successful unicorns are from either Silicon Valley or Los Angeles between China and US they account for 82% of the world's successful startup company and that just by the account look at the valuation between China and the US they account for more than 95% of the company valuation created in IT industry so how does this government program actually impact the startup successes that would be a good question but what if we redefine success instead of calling success only as a billion dollar company what if we define it as a billion dollar company well we can do that too so this is a program that I participated in these last few years it's called startup weekend for a weekend you're working together to build an actual startup idea it's actually I would say the best program for startups anywhere in the world this is something that I've worked with I've volunteered for I'm very proud of this organization and from 2009 to 2015 there has been 150,000 participants about 2,000 events spread across the entire world and they had very good success rates if you take a look out of these 12 companies one of them is already over 500 million dollars there's another one that's between 100 to 500 million dollars and the rest of them are about 10 million dollars each and all these came from only 27 million dollars of investment that's the program cost and the impact is about 1 billion dollars so this is a success but what if we compare it with a private industry how does that compare here is an example of another investor so this is actually my personal investor out of the 19 company he invested lived as of 2 days ago is worth 10 billion dollars Twilio is about 2.5 billion dollars there are a few of these there are 500 million dollars above and more than half a dozen of them more than 100 million dollars so for a fund size of only 6 million dollars the impact was over 15 billion dollars so if you were to take a look at these government programs like start-up weekend for example they look very good on their own but once you start comparing these to the industry standards you'll realize that a lot of these return on investment does not look as good which is why a lot of these programs like invested the world's top investors are all private very few of them are actually government investors in fact I would dare to say that every country here has spent more than 6 million dollars on the start-up program but I would say that not one of them can really claim to have a 15 billion dollar impact so it really begs the question for us to take a look at what is the return on investment on these programs and the answer yes we definitely should look at it and the answer doesn't come from me it actually comes from this guy does anyone know who this is no? okay well this is there's one so this guy his name is John Oliver he runs a comedy show and he actually did a show specifically on this particular industry right? he examined the return on investment on these government programs and I'll just share two examples with you you know they look at start-up New York where they both 0% property tax 0% corporate tax 0% business tax and 0% income tax it is the perfect program for start-ups and here is for you to create one job in five years what is the return investment and here's another program that he made fun of it's a program between two rival cities and then one city decided to give a tax break for another city's company to move over and the other city decided that oh we'll do the same in return so between the two cities they burned $331 million and only resulted in 1100 jobs moving from one city to the other in the quotes of John Oliver it says $331 million in lost tax revenue and think about that for a second you can create a program where the first 1100 people that move to Kansas City from Missouri will each get a Ferrari which they could then drive around in a giant pile of $30 million set on fire and then you'll be actually more physically responsible because you saved the government $20 million so that is pretty funny and not all the government programs are like this obviously but the reason why it's funny is a little bit of truth to all these humor so what do we do now and let me put on my magician hat a few years ago the European Commission actually asked me to suggest them what programs they can do in Europe to promote startup community and I reviewed all the work they have done and I came to the conclusion that they are not short of ideas what they need is actually a way to filter these ideas to figure out which ones are the best performing and which ones are not performing and I think the advice they give to them fits very well for the topic we have today and I boiled them down to just 3 simple questions that I think all of us should be asking before committing to a program Number 1 what is your goal more important than what is your realistic goal if your goal is to become the next Silicon Valley or to create the next billion dollar business well statistically it is not very unlikely you are much better off focusing on realistic goals like foreign direct investment job creation you know tax revenue or even publicity what is needed what is your realistic goal and the rule of thumb is be realistic do not just sell the dream the second question is what are your metrics and more importantly what are your heart metrics our industry is played by a lot of these soft vanity metrics for example like what is the entrepreneurial spirit in a country what is the feeling like you know and all these things because it's debatable it ends up being very useless it's much better off to actually look at the real data like hard data that indisputable data like actual dollar amount being invested what is your earning per dollar spent right how much tax revenue are you collecting how much jobs are you generating what are the things that we all want to see but we are not seeing so the rule of thumb here is if the metric can be disputed it's not a very good metric number three how do you collect data and more importantly how do you collect and maintain data because data is not something you collect once it has to be collected throughout the lifetime of your program and to make sure it's accountable you need to be transparent for everyone to see and to actually make people use it you actually need to make it accessible Singapore is one of the government that has done a great job making their data available for everybody and I will highly encourage everyone to take a look at what they are doing and the rule of thumb here is data analytics should be part of the program budget and not an afterthought so I will cut my presentation short and just leave these three questions and hopefully the panel can carry on this discussion so I will repeat it one more time what is your realistic goal what are your heart metrics and how do you collect and maintain data last but not least throughout the last few years I noticed that I've never seen a single company that built the perfect product on day one we all have an idea and the successful companies are the ones that obsessively reiterates their products based on the metrics similarly governments they cannot build perfect programs on the first try they also need to look at the metrics and reiterate based on what they actually see IT startups cannot survive on their own they need governments help and more increasingly so governments need IT startup support we work hand in hand the future is ours it is a journey together and together I believe we can build a better world thank you thank you very much I would like to come back to the panel of five speakers and they are pretty much representative of all the communities that either collect or use data we have two speakers coming from the regulatory environment to my left we have got the chairman of the Bangladesh regulatory authority and to my right we have got in fact over there we have got the CEO of Tunisia regulatory authority and then we also have the representative of government the permanent secretary in the ministry of ICT from Namibia you have the names on the web of course and then we have original telecommunications organizations the African telecommunication union who will give us a global view on how data could be collected or more cooperation could be undertaken and then finally we have got from the national statistical office of Tunisia a representative who is going to share perspectives so we are at crossroads first of all we are trying to implement or to achieve the sustainable development goals with the three pillars one economic pillar two the social pillar and then three the environmental pillar and all these pose a challenge in terms of data collection and they are not going to details because the panelists are going to respond and then on the other hand we have got new imaging technologies that are unfolding we have got big data we have got internet of things we have got artificial intelligence cloud computing and we will be talking about 5G so with this we have to embrace digital transformation not only on the part of government but also on the part of the regulator and the private sector and the consumers have got to fit into this because they are directly impacted so I would like based on the presentation from the keynote speaker to ask our panelists to respond commenting on what they think is the critical role in creating an investment friendly environment through data collection and data processing so to begin with I would like to invite the permanent secretary Ms. Tim Pohutaya Jaracama permanent secretary Minister of Information and Communication Technology Namibia and each panelist will have about two minutes and then I will take another round and then open the floor for you to pose your own questions please the floor is yours Good morning I hope what I am going to share will resonate the appetite efforts and strategies of the nations of the world both represented here in this gathering and those that are not represented the magnitude of work at our disposal SICT ministries is so achievable if we are to coordinate our efforts with the educators to inculcate into our education curricula elements of SICTs from pre-primary to the end of the education road we need to harness the resources that are never at the disposal of governments but that are embedded at the disposal of public private sector in partnerships so that we realize both the human the monetary and other resources particularly expertise to be able to address and develop SICTs for the men and women at the household level there has been this question of impact impact but when we think of impact in the first layer of money but money is not the life changer for every citizen of a country it is the knowledge, the skill that changes lives of communities and therefore makes a turnaround strategy for the economy of a given country we need to SICTs are a fast revolving or evolving phenomena so much that we need those that are mandated to run national programs of SICTs to be on the alert sleeplessly to ensure that particularly the playing field through legislation legislative frameworks it's ever constantly constantly revamped to meet the demands of the day it takes too long and rightfully so for democratic dispensations to amend laws and regulations through consultation but if we harness SICTs it will enable us to fast track the consultative processes and shorten the length of time to engage our citizens in ensuring that laws that need to be reworked and facilitate a functioning social and economic spectrum in the country are on the table as and when they are required I think at that I would like to pause Thank you very much I understand that Mr. Aid Said chief executive of his national statistics office Tunisia will be catching his flight I think around one o'clock I would like you to make an intervention بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم سأتكلمه العربية شكرا جزيلا على هذه الدعوة وتفاعل مع سؤالك وكذلك تفاعل مع العرض الجيد الذي تم تقدمه سأتناول الموضوع من وجهة نظر احسائية كممثل المعلومات الأحسائية وتضعها على ذمة المستعملين لاستعمالها في أعمالهم في بحوثهم إلى غير ذلك اعتقد أنه من الاهمية بمكان لخلق بقى الخلابة للاستثمار للتجيع للاستثمار وجود أو انتاج معطيات أحسائية دقيقة ذات مصدقية وتضع على ذمة كل المستعملين هذه المعطيات يجب أن تغطي كافة المجالات وكافة الميادين الاقتصادية الإجتماعية التربوية المعلوماتية كل هذه المعلومات يجب أن تترجم الواقع هذه القطاعات بأكثر دقة بأكثر شمولية لكي توفر لبعث المشروع أو توفر للقطاع الخاص للباحثي للمجتمع المدني بصفة عامة مؤشرات تترجم أكثر واقع المعيش كذلك تستعمل لدراست المشاريع وليتوضيح الرؤية أولاً توضيح الرؤية في الماضي كيف تحوارت هذه المعتيات نقات القوة نقات الضعف في الوقت الحاضر كذلك كيف تتفاعل هذه المعتيات هذه المخرجات الأحصائية معا الواقع ثم بتباعت الحال الاستشراف المستقبل لدراست المشاريع للاستشراف يدور في أي قطاع خاصة أنه في الوقت الحالي نلاحظ وأنشهد تتورات سريعة ومتسريعة جداً في بعض الأحيان يسعب حتى على المعتيات الأحصائية أن تتوقعها ونلاحظ كذلك السرعة التفاعلات بين القطاعات وخاصة القطاع والدراست واليوم قطاع تكنولوجيات المعلومات والاتسال ودورها الكبير والكبير جداً في خلق وجمع وتحليل معتيات أحصائية بأكثر سهولة بأكثر دقة بطريقة تكون مفهومة لكل المستعملي ومتسريعة جداً خاصة من حيث دعم أثقافة الأحصائية أي كيف نقدم هذه الأحصائيات على أهمتها إلى المستعمليين ومستعمليين عادة متكونش عندهم علاقة كبيرة في المواطيات الأحصائية متكونش عندهم علاقة بالتكنيات بطريقة بناء المؤشرات والمستعمل فقط مؤشر وحيد ولكن هناك سلسلة كاملة في الأنتاج الأحصائي والتكنيات الجديدة وخاصة في الوقت الراهن تلعب دوراً كبيراً وهاماً خاصة من حيث ليس من حيث الأنتاج فقط ولكن من حيث الجودة والجودة تساعد على تحسين جودة هذه المواطيات وأهم حاجة وخاصة بالنسبة المستفمليين بالنسبة للشركات بالنسبة للقطاع الخاص هي السرعة وضع هذه المعلومة ليمستحقيها وهنا يكون دور هام وهم جداً لهذه التكنيات الجديدة ونلاحظ كأحصائيين كمهانين الأحصاء والتكنيات الجديدة هي علاقة تكات تكون ميكانيكية لا يمكن أن نشتغل في الحق للأحصائي دون الاستعمال هذه التكنيات الجديدة دون فهمها دون تفكيك مختلف مرحلها إلى غير ذلك أي أن الإحصاء بدون هذه التكنيات لا يمكن وقتنا الراهن لا يمكن بأي حال من الأحوال أن نضع على ذمة كل المستعملين طبعاً إذا نحكيوا على المستعملين لتكلم على القطاع العمومي على الحكومة على غصونا على القرار لتكلم كذلك على القطاع الخاص بكل مكويناته المجتمع المدني الباحثين الأسر كذلك لأن الإحصائيات ربما ليست في حاجة إلى تبرير أهميتها في كل الميدين ولكن ربما الذي يجب أن نعمل عليه ونعمل عليه بجد وهذه دعوة خاصة إلى صناعة تكنولوجيات الحديثة صناعة البرامج العالمية أن يقترب أكثر من الحقل الأحصائي أن يوفروا أليات جديدة لجمع المعطيات لننتقل من الطريقة الكلسيكية لنعرفوها كأحصائيين كما هينين في هذا الميدين إلى الطريقة جديدة متجددة في كافة سلسلة العمالية الأحصائية من الفكرة لماذا ننتج مؤشر أحصائي ثم من الملف التقني إلى جمع المعطيات إلى التحليل المعطيات إلى وضع هذه المعطيات على ذمة المستعملين إلى لكمونكاسيون كيف نقدم هذه المعطيات في أي شكل نقدم هذه المعطيات لكل المستعملين المعلوم الأحصائيين مع شكرا هل يمكنك أن تتكلم كيف تتكلم مع المعطيات الأحصائية وماذا تعتقد يمكنك أن تتكلم بانجلادش هل يمكنك أن تتكلم أكثر أكثر حسنا كان هناك محاول على المعطيات الأحصائيين يجب أن يتكلم المعطيات الأحصائية وما أعرف في بانجلادش كيف تعمل مع المعطيات الأحصائيين ومعطيات الأحصائيين لأنك هي المعطيات الأحصائيين في حالة التكنولوجيا ومعطيات التكنولوجيا لتأكد أن تتكلم من مهمة شكرا لنبدأ بقول عن المعطيات الأحصائية لذلك سأعلم ما هذا المشكلة بانجلادش is a very small country in size 54,000 square miles only with a population of 170 million people لذلك تتكلم المعطيات الأحصائيين ومعطيات الأحصائيين بل نحن نتكلم أنا أفضل أفضل عاسجت أفضل أو اشعر أحاول ski Yi أحاول أطبق شيئ ماcream policy maker aromatic ليستbürسipped but now ف음 يتيب come over the country in every sector في حالة حيو로 ونحن تأتي في المنطقة والدالية. ومن ثم أحاول أن أقوم بإمكانه بمدينة المنطقة. أحاول أن أساعد المنطقة. ونحن أقوم بمتعجة إلى الأسلحة على المنطقة. كما قلت، هذا هو صحيح أن الناس are still unaware of how to interpret the data or how to collect the data. فهذا هو one reason that after investing so much in the telecom sector we are way behind in the ranking in the world side ranking. Maybe our people do not understand how this data has to come into the ranking factor and that is why I came in here and we are very unhappy about the whole situation that after so much of investment and so much of penetration of the telephone and you know about 84% people have our telephone and internet presentation is more than half but still the ranking of Bangladesh is way way behind. So I will ask ITU to intervene or to interact with the various member countries to make them understand that what kind of data has to be collected and how it has to be interpreted and how it has to get into how it is getting into the ranking factor. So thank you and I see that you know we need the data for many reasons. We need the data for policy making. I believe being a data analyst for many years I believe the data is also something that will give you the status of health or for health monitoring of the policy, how the policy is proceeding. From the data you should also understand that if the policy is being implemented rightly or not. So if you need to take any corrective action there also you need the data. So again I think the time has come when we have to see the things holistically and bring the data. We have to make the interpretation of the data into the policy making in a regular basis. Thank you. Thank you very much. We have taken note of your observations. I would like to invite the president of Telecommunication National Regulator Authority of Tunisia. Please the floor is yours. Thank you. I will speak in French. Just change the languages. The National Institution of Telecommunications is the authority of Tunisian regulation. We are in a great collaboration with the National Institute of Statistics. Each month we receive the main indicators of the telecommunications market and we try to create a national observatory for the telecom market. So we collect all the information on the penetration of the technologies that are mobile, internet fixed or mobile internet. On the economic parties, the revenues of the operators. On the evolution of the market on certain number of things. And each month we publish on our website a transparent way all these indicators there. And we share and try to give there with LNS. In addition, I think there is a national commission or an LNS commission where the instance is represented so we work in collaboration. So our goal is to be transparent because having a good regulation is to be transparent and also to have a participative regulation where everyone has to participate in the decision making. And so we are aware of this. And we are aware that we must have our national observatory of telecommunications because it gives a reflection on what we do and a good idea about the state of the Tunisian market to attract investors that are national or foreign. Just to summarize because there is not much time. Thank you for your answer. I would like to go to the Secretary General of the African Telecommunication Union and I would like to ask you one thing. If you look around the 90s, the 30 plus least developed countries in Africa out of the 54 countries were struggling and most of them were below 1% in terms of telephone penetration per 100 inhabitants. Now the situation has changed although still we see that the least developed countries are still lagging behind not only in terms of digital connectivity but also in terms of data access. We would like to know the role of the African Telecommunication Union in trying to improve the investment environment in Africa and also to attract private sector participation because the private sector obviously wants to know the gaps on the ground and the government is also informing public policy would like to understand the situation on the ground. What are your perspectives? Yes, thank you Chair. I think I will come back also just in French. So our interpreter French speaking come take small break like others. Before I start I would like to thank the African Telecommunication Union and Tunisian authorities for their support. They have always shown us that there is no first visit here in Hamoud. I think they will be their guests soon. So I would like to say that when we look at the general manner, the statistics, because as we are hearing about the statistics, we must first verify the global market of Africans, the penetration of mobile in a general manner. Because as I said mobile, I put it together. Of course I will not do the details of the statistics, but we must also say that Africa has known a certain rapid evolution. We must accept it in the ethical domain, but we are not yet when we compare the statistics, maybe tomorrow we will project not only the countries, but in general the African continent will feel maybe a little frustrated about the fact that it occupies it particularly in the ethical domain. But we are always at the level of the African Telecommunication Union with our other members. We are working on a certain number of activities together with our partner who is fighting and fighting as well as with the other sector. What are the actions to be put into action in order to make Africa a market always attractive. Because the market as we said is there, but we must show that this market is attractive and this market cannot be attractive when the way to come and invest in Africa is simpler. I think that I have seen the statistics about the classification of countries worldwide like the fastest countries to come where we can quickly make these investments not only in the ethical domain as we said earlier. In fact, the ethics is a whole today, that is to say that we cannot talk about ethical education, we cannot talk about health or ethical transport. But I think that when we look at it today, there is a certain number, there is still one encouragement in relation to the member state who tries to create an environment that is easy to invest in. Today there are countries where you can create an enterprise at least 48 hours. I think that the creation, the institution of the United States in many countries in any case encourages investments. This is time. Of course, we still have a challenge. The challenge that we have certainly said about our regulation agencies maybe that the dynamic that we want that the States can take in March is not yet at the top. So there is always a certain number of traditional barriers as we said, sometimes we realize that the investments come from the outside. Are they going to make money on our backs? Are we going to win something? I think that we have to get rid of all this aspect. But also maybe also know to create local consumption. That is to say that the market also of investments is a local market. Not that all investors must come from the outside. Tunisia today must create conditions so that Tunisians Tunisians can also invest in the field of tech. Not only in the other sectors. I think that's what's missing in the African market. We know that the tech we left in fact to the external investors. We said that it's complicated. But I think that we must also create the conditions that lead me to say that the tech industry must also have its place in Africa. I think that this is the problem. We must create the African market. We must have the African Union who is working in a general way with the instance of the decision makers that the African market is also a tech market. We have a lot of companies who are doing this. But beautiful people in a global way who are working in a general way with the instance of the African market. I think that's what's missing in the African market. We must see how we can fill this gap so that the tech is also an African reality. Of course, we use them. We do everything but we can't continue to consume all of the external. I think that's what's most important. Create an African market. We can create a partnership with other countries but at least the African companies must feel concerned about the development of the tech. So, Mr. President, what I wanted to say. So, just to come to a place prepare your questions or comments after this. Secretary General, you are calling for partnerships with the board and across the regions. To what extent do you cooperate in the area of statistics with other telecommunications regional organizations? Or do you see an opportunity for you to promote in the regional cooperation in strengthening of capacity in terms of data collection and processing? Yes. Thank you, Chair. I think right now we don't have exactly, I think it's always some what you said civil society always ask me why we don't have the African data collection. When we want always the data on ICT we have to look directly to ICT or ITU to see where the data is coming and we say that normally we are planning to have a cooperation of the ITU especially with BDT to see how we're going to for the African countries in terms of the web even in a UCB project already starting but they're still looking where the server is going to be and when you want to access to those information where are you going to take it? We even did one workshop to see how to manage those African database in terms of ICT but yet now we continue thinking where we're going to have an African ICT meeting minister so certainly it's already on some agenda we will see exactly where it's possible to have African database I know there is some country who have facility to host even without institution like you see for example insert in Tunisia I think many way or looking on which country is able to host this and how ITU can help in terms of data collection only for the African countries. Thank you Thank you very much. Just to assure you that in the telecommunication development bureau the director's vision is that the regional organizations and the economy commissions access and they have access to our data that we collect so that we don't duplicate effort but then the regional organizations can use it for the analysis and provide the membership the results of that analysis. Can I open the floor to anybody and if you could kindly introduce yourself and the name of the organization I see a hand over there please the floor is yours. Yes. Thank you. Thank you very much. I don't have the question rather a comment just to add what chairman Bangladesh telecom regulatory authority has already said that the ITU has done some very good job for ranking the countries for last few years and because this kind of the work helps us as a regulator or policymakers to change our stance but unfortunately what we see in this ranking is that billions of dollars are being invested in ICT sector in our part of the world the ICT usage is increasing tremendously and all other indicators in the terms of the ICT are increasing but when we see our ranking in the ITU it's going down it's going down so when I further dig out the data behind the ranking I see that some of the irrelevant data for example the ICT education you are taking into account which is not the part of the ICT regulator and you need to review the actual data to calculate these indexes in a real term in this term in the way you are calculating this development index it means the countries like Pakistan or Bangladesh or all other countries will remain 150 or 160 despite the fact how much the amount in the ICT sector how much their ICT sector is growing so I think in this case this is not basically the guiding factor for us particularly in the developing countries to improve our regulatory and policy making so this is just a suggestion and comment on the discussion thank you sir yes please thank you I think that is an echo of many countries not only from Bangladesh or Pakistan but also from the dark side of this kind of ranking we depend on FDI very much for developing our sector so when they see this kind of ranking it shows it gives a wrong picture to the investor particularly for the FDI to bring the so I suggest that we look it objectively and as Pakistan has said an echo that it should be re-evaluated or revisited the issue thank you thank you very much the issue of ranking is always a contagious issue because there can't be two number ones and there can't be 193 number ones but having said that we long took note of the concerns of course of countries we are a member driven organization and we just wanted to invite all the countries to consider participating we have got two expert groups expert group on telecommunications indicators and an expert group on households indicators that's where the relationship between the national statistical office and the telecom sector converge so it is important and when I have private discussions with telecom regulators many of them confess that they don't really interact with the national statistical office and the reverse is true so I would like to encourage you and if you need my colleagues are sitting over there if you need to register yourself as an expert to participate in the discussions because ITU does not create indicators ITU listens to the member states and the member states are the ones that create the indicators and all what we do as secretariat is to implement the methodology and as you heard from the director of the BDT the methodology was subjected to a litmus test by an independent body and it was found to be a sound methodology and that body also does a sensitivity analysis on the methodology for the index on innovation which is done by WIPO the World Intellectual Property Organization UNDP the Human Development Index no formula is perfect but I think our aim is to try to come up with something which is sound which is robust and which is member driven and there is no benefit to ITU to misrepresent anything because ITU does not exist without the membership so I would like to say please do participate and you know that we up until now we had 11 indicators we held an extraordinary meeting from the first to the third of March this year to review those indicators to reflect the more reality on the ground the issues pertaining to what constitutes a computer or smartphones fix the networks and whether we should continue to measure the number of telephone lines issues like that and we are pleased to say and I would like to thank all those governments that came and participated and all the other UN agencies and independent organizations that were part to that so it is within your power to influence all this by participating more actively every year we meet once those two groups do meet and then we also have an online forum where we continuously debate and then you can make any proposal that you want I think one of the issues that was mentioned here is the issue of indicators for cyber security which is one of the new topics that we will be discussing so I just wanted to add to that it is in our best interests if everybody could be happy because we are there to serve you but I saw a hand on that side also seeking the floor yes please good morning I am director in the ministry of communication government of India let me echo the view expressed by Bangladesh and Pakistan we are also in the similar stage of development India with 1.2 billion we are making huge investment and the same issue ICT ranking is going down every year there is a challenge there is something some flaw in the methodology of collection of this calculation of this ICT indicator index so my suggestion is that there are countries which are very small if they make some development they are very high in a very limited investment and a very limited effort but if you see the India the size is very big so my suggestion that there should be some weightage for the population also because everything whatever we are doing that is divided by the population so you should give you can't compare apple with orange there should be some weightage for the population for the size for the geography while calculating this index and secondly I want to say the 14 parameters which are going to come up from 2018 onwards we have some objection and that we will be sending to I am also a member of EGTI and EGH through that group we will be taking up but here also we want to make point that we will be sending our views on all the 14 parameters because it is very difficult to measure some of the parameters and some of the parameters which are very relevant have been dropped let's say mobile subscription per 100 population mobile has not reached saturation worldwide it has been dropped from the list of 14 indicators I think that is very premature and secondly there is some difficulty in measuring the coverage mobile coverage by 3G and 4G population covered by the mobile signal so that is also India being a very vast country used population it is difficult to calculate that coverage I am making only two suggestions one is that the next 14 indicators should be re-looked into secondly there should be some weightage for the size topology and the population of a country while arriving at the development thanks thank you very much thank you very much India thank you for those comments we are going to have a special session for the two groups work of the expert group and also on households so please do bring up the discussion it's most welcome and we are pleased that India is participating actively in the wake of the two groups and we look forward to getting your inputs I would like to see on this side if we have got anybody asking for the floor on the side of the room yes please Hello everyone I am Mokhtar Karidjo from the Nigerian regulator so I would like to intervene on the auto-penetration at the telecommunications service so there earlier India had suggested that we take into account the demography in the calculation of some indicators there I am pleased to know since this year the United States has decided to take into account the age of the people in the calculation of the auto-penetration for a long time in any case in Niger we had calculated the auto-penetration from mobile subscribers with a denominator which was the whole of the population and when we know that the African countries especially the Niger have a very young population who is counted in the denominator and who cannot have access to the mobile of its very weak age so I have learned that from the beginning we will consider the populations age of 15 and more I would like to know if this is indeed what was decided at the last meeting in Argentina thank you very much for those comments and for our membership but I think it's important for us to dialogue openly and try to find solutions just to mention that during the work of the EGTI and looking at the methodology there has not been a direct link between the population size and the IDI and the age of topology is also an issue which is not quite incorporated into the methodology within the indicators but I think there is nothing that exists that cannot be addressed we are open and encouraging you to participate in the expert groups and to make contributions to exchange views and then I am sure we can overcome many obstacles that we may have I would like to take another question yes please at the back thank you very much Mr. Mordareta my name is Alfred Marisa I am the director general at Portras Simba I just want to sympathize with colleagues from Bangladesh and India we also had similar issues with the type of ranking that happens but what I can say is that perhaps we are all equally unhappy with the outcome which makes it good because we are all equally unhappy this is something that is a process of obviously democracy we have been participating actively in the expert groups because we saw that that was the only way to put our voice across so I think to my colleagues in Bangladesh and India yes we sympathize with you and we just want to say that what we did was to look at those areas where we were not doing well and focus on those rankings that were poor and see how best we can improve as a country certainly there are unique situations in each country and the measurements can never take all the unique situations and as such we just take these yes as an indicator that can help us to plan ahead and move forward and so Mr.Moderator all I can say is that we will continue to participate actively in the expert groups thank you thank you very much for those comments and I think when the expert group sits and meets the day after tomorrow and tomorrow we are going to have when we launch the information society report a discussion by our experts and they will be able to distinguish between IDI value and the IDI ranking so that will come up I would like to plead with the interpreters just to give us until one o'clock is that acceptable interpreters can we go until one o'clock thank you very much I would like to give an opportunity to the panelists to make their final comment but I saw a hand right at the back please if you can take the floor okay thank you chairman my name is Tuham Muluk I am working for Intel Corporation from industry perspective I believe it is very important to develop indicators on new emerging technologies such as 5G cloud IoT smart city speak data to foster a healthy investment climate with better data we also need to consider the indicators on e-applications for digital and digital economy related indicators these will be also in alignment with the last WDDC minus the iris resolution and the action plans another subject is to measure the mobile broadband data speeds in developing countries currently we don't have any problem to measure the fixed broadband data rates but more than 90% of broadband subscribers in developing countries are using mobile broadband technologies therefore it is very important to develop indicators related with mobile broadband data speeds thank you thank you very much Intel for those that may want to take the floor I encourage you to raise them during the course of the WTIS in the appropriate we have a variety of sessions this time as you saw we also have some parallel sessions there is going to be enough room for discussion I would like to give the panelists one round quickly maybe 30 seconds each to make a comment please I have one comment if I see our friends from Bangladesh from India and Pakistan I think the main problem is that there is country investing in ICT but the ranking is down but what we have to look is the differential it's not a static point of view we cannot compare X to Y but also we have to compare the effort but I don't know in the ITUTD is there any indicators which calculate the incremental so how the country invest in the system because it's very hard to start from zero from ranking from 90 to 1 so a lot of countries are putting efforts and sometimes it's not good to have after all that efforts ranking is down so there is something going wrong so I think I propose our suggestions that if we can have also your indicators some incremental so what has been done for example the difference between penetration between year N and year N-1 and I know that every country is investing and want to improve its ranking to attract more investment and to have better to show that it has better infrastructure and so on but sometimes when you compare there is a real problem so we should not really compare countries but we have to compare their efforts thank you we do take into account the efforts being made but pretty much I think most of the member states are equally making an effort so what we have done this year was to come up with a volume 2 of the Measure Information Society report to reflect the reality on the ground the progress which is being made so this helps because it is not just well it is not a naming and shaming business it is to try to report the reality on the ground so when you read the first part which is volume 1 it is going to report on the findings and then report number 2 is going to report on the progress that each is an individual country has made which we think is also quite important and by the way the data that is validated when we receive the data we return it to the regulator to validate it to make sure that it is the right data but thank you very much for that good comment Secretary General do you have any comment yes I just wanted to say that I first applied my friend's proposal because there are countries when we compare I just want to take a country like Niger for example the spread of the country it is so vast that sometimes the efforts made in the ethical domain are not completely reflected in relation to some countries who have some countries who are not as we say 200,000-300,000 km² when you take a country that makes 1 million inhabitants I think it is important to do this the second thing I want to say it is also the collaboration between the statistical services that the countries today have created in all the ministries and even there is a statistical service but also with the agency the national agency because sometimes we realize that it is when the data of the U.T. is released through the voice of the press today in all the countries that the president is the last so everyone starts to run and then we call the minister to say what is going on because the actors of the civil society are not behind to look at what is going on how we are the last in relation to the U.T. so I think that the collaboration is obligatory and it is advised that the statistical service forms and certain agencies because sometimes they do not have the human capacity to understand how the data collection is reliable because it is the reliability that is important here it is not about the numbers but the statistical data must be really on a reliable basis and we can only do it with professionals and the professionals are the agency of statistics I think that the reinforcement of the capacity of the statistical agencies and the minister I believe that it is important and the collaboration is advised I would like to say thank you شaring of expertise and skills and we would like to encourage collaboration in terms of bilateral agreements between those that have gone ahead and those that are still lagging behind at least the world has not remained static for all of us in one way or the other we have learned and grew wiser through our pitfalls thank you شكرا شكرا I'm glad that in a way I got a chance to speak the minds of many countries here I believe that a piece of validated and quality data speaks about the past of the organization present of the organization and also if you can interpret rightly it will take you tell you about the future of the organization where it is going that is why this ranking is very important why that it sends a wrong signal for example we are looking for the fourth operator we have three big operators in the country we are looking for the fourth operator and we have invested huge amount of capital in this sector but when they see the ranking perhaps they think the investor or the FDI investor they think that probably we do not know how to manage the investment rightly so these are the things that's why these things came out from my mouth with the frustration so I hope after this session after this conference the things will move and will move in the right direction thank you thank you very much for that please شكرا جزيرا أعتقد أنه من خلال أهمية وتأكيد العلاقة القوية بين الأجهزة الأحسائية الوطنية أو النظم النظم الوطنية الأحسائية وعالم تكنولوجيا الاتسالات وهذه العلاقة القوية واتفاعولية في مجال الأحسائيات وهذا يطرح أشكال التعاون تعاون داخلي ويتعاون خارجي تعاون داخلي يكون بين كل مكوينات المنظوم الوطنية للأحساء من منتجين ومستعمدين المعلوم الأحسائية لأنقاش لبين الثفرين التفاوض من أجل توفير كل المؤشرات الذرورية لتوفيرها للمنظمات الدولية وهذا أكيد واكيد جدا يكون التنسيق داخل البلد ثم في مستوى ثاني من التنسيق وهو التنسيق الدولي وهنا تطرح مسؤولية والمسؤولية الجسيمة والكبيرة على المنظمات الدولية ومنظومة الأمم التحدة وكذلك المنظمات الإقليمية مثلا هو الدور الكبير للاتحاد الإفريقي في هذا المجال لخلق إليات ودينميكية وربما يجبوا استمباط طرق جديدة للتنسيق والتعاون من أجل توفير كل المؤشرات الذرورية وخلق إيطار موحد للبلدين لكي نتجنبها ربما هذه الملاحظات والناجمة عن كل بلد وستبقى راه دائما وهذا نعرفوها في مجال الإحساء وخاصة عندما يتعلق الأمر بترتيب دول وستعمال معطية إحسائية ستبقى دائما الإشكالية متروحة أن كل الدول ستقول لماذا ترتيب هكذا وبالتالي أعتقد كمسؤول يجب أن يكون أولا داخل الوطن داخل البلد من خلال التنسيق والتعاون وستعمال كل الإمكانيات المتاحة من مصادر إدارية وهنا نحب القدم شكر كبير ليزوملائي في وزارت تكنولوجيات الإتصال كذلك لأننا نشتغل تقريبا بشكل متويتر بشكل يكاد يكون شهري من خلال انجاز البحوث الأحسائية التي ينتجها المعهد بوطن الأحسافي تونس لفائدة وزارت تكنولوجيات الإتصال على المعهد وربما هذه تجربة فريدة أن المعهد بالتنسيق ومعهد وزارت تكنولوجيات الإتصال ننتج زوز بحوث بحثين أحسائيين بحث حول الأسر تكنولوجيات الإتصال لاستغلالها في أشغلها وكذلك بحث أحسائي آخر حول المؤسسات ونحاول من خلال هذين البحثين أن نوفر قدر الأمكان كل الأحسائيات وفي التقريب هناك شهر أو شهر ونصف تتورت هذه العلاقة إلى العمل على المصادر الإدارية وعندما نستعمل البحث الأحسائي للأسر ولمؤسسات ثم نكملها بالمؤشرات والأحسائيات المتوفرة لدي الهياكل الوطنية لدي الهيئة وقد نجحنا في هذا أعتقد أننا بدأنا نشتغل على منهجية لكيفيد مد بمؤشرات ومعطيات متفق عليها بين كل الأطراف المتدخل وعتقد هذه ستكون إن شاء الله في المستقبل كعام الأساسي لتحسين جودة المعطيات الأحسائية لتوفيرها بقدر الكافي وربما مزيد التعمق في حاجيات الوزارات المكلفة بتكنولوجيا المعلومات وين المستعملين مع المنظوم الوطنير الأحساء نستطيع من خلالها أن نحدد الحاجيات الضرورية من الأحسائيات ولكي ربما نتجنب هذه المشاكل أن ترتيب بلد هكذا لأن المشكل الرئيسي تكمن في كيف يجمع المعلومة الأحسائية في الحلقة الأولى يعني على مستوى الوطن وتأتي بعد ذلك طبعا على مستوى دولي المنهجيات الأحسائية كيف تحتسب شمال مؤشرات المستعملة وانا عندي فيقة كبيرة حقيقة في كل المهانيين في هذا القطاع أن نجد ربما قاسم مشترك بين ما توفره المعطيات الأحسائية في كل بلد والمؤشرات الواجب استعمالها لترتيب الدول في هذا المجال مع شكرا جزيلا شكرا جداً لأشياء المنظمة في هذا الموقع أريد أن أعطي الهدف إلى أداء بديتي شكرا جزيلاً لأداء بديتي أشعر ببعض جداً ومعرفة بأن أرى ما أنا أرى هنا هذا هو شكرا جزيلاً لأداء بديتي أردت أن نفعله لكي يجب أن نقوم بشكل جيداً لإمكاننا to exchange views and experiences وإمكاننا to build together something that will work for our society. جدًا جداً أعتقد أن عندما أردت أن نتحدث عن كل هذه المتحدة يجب أن نرغب أن نرغب and try to define the idea. لذلك لن نعتقد أن نفعل هذه المتحدة بشكل جيداً لا، أنها نفس المتحدة من هذه المتحدة. أما أن أقول أن أهم المتحدة في هذه المتحدة ليست مجدداً لأخرى. إنها مجدداً لكي أنت. كيف أنت تأكد؟ ونحن نفس المتحدة، المتحدة والإمكانات يمكن أن نعطيك أن تفعله. أم يمكن أن يكون جيداً لنا. كيف أنت تخبرنا أن نتحدث عن هذا المتحدة بشكل جيداً لأخرى المتحدة لتجد المتحدة بشكل جيداً في المتحدة ونحن نحن نقوم بشكل جيداً. هذا هو أهم المتحدة، ولكن الأهم المهم هو أن نتحدث عن المتحدة بشكل جيداً لأخرى المتحدة في المتحدة،atha. أنا أخبره، أول الأطفال أولى للمتحدة أيضاً في منطقة المتحدة لإمكاناتك تفعله. Rider这个 それ vindue se you have to compare yourself to countries that have got similar geographic economic situation and sometimes cultural situation. You have to compare yourself to a country where there is no comparison, of course the results may not help you to improve. This is where I like us to see the idea and explain to our decision makers that is not meant for the ranking of all the countries. diesen normal indexes but let's go beyond and show you where we improved. And we can follow that with them as we go along. The second issue is about at operating level. Of course, ITU as I said is just measuring what is agreed in this expert group is important since these issues so important for us. Let's contribute with our new ideas to the expert group. لكي يجعلهم أن يتم تحديث وقاموا على أن يتألفونهم يهمة لنا أن تشاهدون في الجميع العصر والجميع الناس أطفال المساعدة وأننا نحن نتساعد الكثير من المساعدة والمساعدة والمساعدة على المساعدة في أن يجعب أداء الجميع في المستعمر وهي جميعهم. أجل, أريد أن أقول أني جميعا أن أرى هذه الأتفاق لن تستطيعهم لأننا نسأل شيء جيد من المساعدة، شكراً. شكراً لكم جزيلاً، سنو. أردت أن أرسل منكم بشكل جيد في هذه السحة أنها مجتمعة عن المتحدث الذي يتحدث. أعتقد أنني أسعب في هذه السحة أن أعتقد أنه بما أننا نتبعه في حالة العام، يمكننا أن نأخذ فرصة داعل، لكنه لقد كان مجموعة في التحدث وقد كانت جداً جداً جداً جداً وقد قمنا بعمل نقطة I think the director summarized it all So let me summarize the session I'm pleased that we had a multi-stakeholder kind of approach A diverse group of panelists that participated in this discussion So we got perspectives from different angles One of the things that came up is the issue of capacity building That we have to make sure that we build capacity for data collection And also on the other side for all the other stakeholders The second thing that came is to ensure that the policy framework is in place The legal framework is almost in tandem with technological developments And the regulatory framework But for that all to work there must be And I summarize it always There must be internal coordination And collaboration between the statistical offices And the various sectors Because I see it is not about the technology alone It is also about everything that impacts human life So a multi-sectoral approach has been recommended And we would like to ask our friends from the statistical domain To encourage other high-level representatives to take part in this Because this is where we normally not the gap And then another thing is that I think it has been stated That there is need not only And as part of the digital transformation approach Not only to involve governments and these agencies But also to go beyond and also involve the consumers To make sure that we have a 360-degree approach And with these words I would like to thank you very much For an active participation And to thank our panelists And please if you can give them an applause Before I end over to the chairman of the... Thank you Thank you Mr. Rizawa It's a pleasure to hear this deep discussion You gave us a very heavy session You have been very kind and very deep in your analysis And in your summary And also to take the opportunity to thank the ITU Because the ITU is challenging us every year And challenging the decision maker And that's the important That's the very important things about this indicator It's that we are waiting for this indicator And our effort is measured And we have the challenge Where the ITU is really doing a great job Also if I have to put some remarks And maybe participate in the end And take opportunity that I'm the chair And I will have the last word So I will put two or one suggestion Is that the next step is that the indication Or the indicator Focus on the new challenges and technology That means ITU, virtual reality Smart city and so on So we would like to see our investment Or the investment of countries in this area To be shown in this indicator And in conclusion I would say That whatever we cannot measure it Is not useful So try to measure all our decision And all our effort in developing our country Thank you very much The last information is very important That the next session is at 2.30pm In this place And we will start at 2.30pm Not one minutes after Maybe we will close the doors Thank you very much