 We really not having to involve TSA pre and today's celebration Yeah, TSA free interviews those I don't know about you But I was a little stressed out when I got mine because they really made it and I did mine in New York City They really made it seem like you know, I was a terrorist somehow even though I Know what you mean because well first of all you have to schedule three months in advance Or you did which is why even though I was premiering a new show that day I was like, you know what I'm not gonna skip this And then they're like so you went to Malta Why? Really? Yeah I mean, it's not People go to Malta Yes, but why Sarah? Well, I don't know. I mean, I mean vacation who goes to Malta Why did you choose Malta? You wind a bird Chronicles fan, and that's why I Actually had a really good answer because it was an EFA event so that and it was the kind of thing where I'm like, oh, well, there was a Tech conference called EFA. They were having a press event there and that immediately it was like, oh, okay Got it that's acceptable Well, I was honored to be on the first show and I'm honored to be here again. Thank you very much Thanks. Thanks for making the time to do this. It's it's pretty great. My pleasure I'm just gonna let you tell us all about cars in the in the main topic sure What should I get Roger wants to know Cars and routers I I Forget about routers. I was I was hearing on no cello cast this weekend Bart Bouchotte's was was talking about his routers And replacing routers, and I'm like gosh, I just I should pay more attention to routers, but I guess that's a good thing That I don't need to anymore like I have a router that updates its own firmware So I don't have to go in and do it used to be I have to actively manage my routers As I was cleaning my office I found like four or five old routers that were just you know, I've upgraded one I put on the shelf Okay, I'll eBay this later and yeah, so I've got a collection of routers in 20 or 30 years I can submit them to some technology I What I moved into my apartment now I had to update my router because it was some speed plan that my airport extreme That was quite long in the tooth. It just wasn't going to deal with Yeah, exactly. So which is fine it it has Given me zero issues, but yeah the airport back in over the years you'd have to go in there and mess with it It would just I don't have to I stopped using an airport a long Yeah When it worked it worked fine, but it it it it got a little squirrely at times. Well, are y'all ready? Yeah, yeah Let's get roll on here in three. Oh wait, I almost forgot how I do this Wait, how do we do this? Asking the wrong persons Okay Yeah, cuz I do want to start at a particular time for reasons Although I don't know if those reasons are speaking. All right, here we go three two Joe Coontz has supported independent tech news directly for five years be like Joe become a DTNs member at patreon.com DTNS This is the Daily Tech news for the fifth year in a row Wednesday, January 2nd 2019 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt and from studio feline I'm Sarah Lane and I'm the show's producer from the outskirts of LA Kenny Five years ago today We launched to this show and our guest on that day was mr. Tim Stevens And I'm very pleased that Tim was able to come back more. I mean he's been on in between as well But but five years later to help us celebrate. Thank you Tim. Thank you for having me Tom It's definitely an honor to be here. I'm glad things have gone so well for five years It's been great to watch the show all this time and yeah, I'm honored to be back Thank you. Honestly, if you'd asked me on that show five years ago if we were going to be here five years later I don't know whether I would have been able to honestly say yes, but I'm very glad we are and We have lots of cool stuff to celebrate our five-year anniversary Including some merchandise for our patron supporters and more we'll talk about that in a little bit But the reason we've been here for five years is because we start with a few tech things you should know Net applications estimates that Windows 10 held 39.22% of desktop OS market share in December while Windows 7 Finally fell behind to 36.9 percent Windows 10 was released 3.5 years ago Windows 7 came out 10 years ago Microsoft will and extended security updates for Windows 7 on January 14th 2020 now I hope you enjoyed our special episodes over the holiday break But you know we we have been off for a little while and a couple weeks ago fierce wireless reported that AT&T I gosh I just hate it when companies do this T-Mobile did it with 4g AT&T is changing the LTE indicator on its Android phones some of its Android phones to say 5g Instead of LTE when connected to a 5g evolution tower 5g evolution is not 5g 5g evolution is a marketing label for a bunch of LTE Technologies like carrier aggregation 4x4 MIMO stuff like that. It does provide faster service Actual 5g service from AT&T will show up on your phone as 5g plus Well, Tom, maybe this will make you happier Roku announced it will offer premium video channel add-ons to its free Roku channel offerings will include Channels like Showtime stars and noggin Roku channel streaming service and any add-ons you buy will also be available on the Roku mobile app Oh, that does make me happy. Thank you. Okay, let's talk a little bit more about Science Ars Technica reports on a paper published in the journal plus one Showing that Facebook users on average in their study said they would have to be paid more than a thousand dollars a year If they're to stop using Facebook now It's you're gonna want you're gonna want to take potshots at this, but this is a really well done study They wanted to find out how much is this actually worth to you Facebook if we paid you to stop using Facebook How much would it take now people could say well give me a million dollars, right? So to make it realistic, they primed them They did training questions before they introduced the Facebook question. So things like how much would You take to not wear shoes the rest of the day and then then they followed up with real-world consequences The lowest bidder had to go the rest of the day at the study without their shoes on so it trained them like hey These questions are real. We're really gonna do this. They also use something called second price auction Which meant that no matter what you bid The second lowest price would be the price that got paid So that you you knew you shouldn't try to skew it by saying you're gonna have to pay me a ton of money It that's an it's it's I can't really explain it well but statistically that's a very good way to keep values real and Then the respondents who won the bids really did have to quit Facebook for up to a week It was one day three day or a week periods and were in fact paid by the study So that all of this was a way to get an accurate number and generally I mean, we aren't talking about a thousand dollars a year in practice in the study They were saying things like, you know, okay four dollars for a day five dollars for a day fourteen fifteen dollars for three days Thirty seven forty dollars stuff like that for a week But it was the amounts would end up being a thousand dollars a year and and I think the point of this is People say they will delete Facebook and don't we know that and people really do when when push comes to serve Find it difficult to want to quit Facebook for multiple reasons This really feels like an episode of black mirror that's kind of escaped into the real world Right people wanting or needing that much money or needing that much incentive to give up this website. That's That's really disconcerting. This is a bad way to start the year off Tom Well, I know what you mean a lot of them say it's because of work It's because of their livelihood they they communicate with their boss. They communicate with their customers There's there's family issues for a lot of people. So there there are those situations where people like oh, yeah I could do without most of Facebook, but ooh if I really had to go without it There is that one thing that I have to have it for I mean, that's always been my excuse Facebook can be infuriating to me at times, but I always say well, but it's a promotional tool and it helps Yeah, I kind of keep in touch with people from home and family, but it's more so that I feel like I need it for work the Incentive of getting a thousand dollars to not use Facebook for a short period of time is pretty nice though a year I mean, I'm sorry Well, okay, but it's you know, not forever either And probably at the end of it you'd figure out other ways to to to connect with those folks. I Think I could do it. I Think I could do The US FCC approved Google's radar based motion sensor known as the solely project the chip tracks hand and finger motions at high speed with Accuracy it can allow users to control vices devices rather just by touching them No need for knobs or switches or even touch screens The project received a waiver to operate at higher power levels than usually allowed and will be allowed to use on planes as well Yeah, Facebook had actually put in a protest about the higher power usage But came to an agreement which I think means that Facebook will get similar waivers for some of their wireless projects You know things like Oculus go and stuff that they want to use but it's not even just touch free It also could do with watches like be able to sense your motion above the watch So you wouldn't even have to touch the watch great for accessibility in in multiple situations and and really could Revolutionize how we interact with devices And moving to radar. I think is an interesting thing We've seen Technologies from companies like elliptic labs using sonar and acoustic technologies that tend to be very short range But radar should allow you to go much further away from the device Which could mean you could put something like this in your living room for example and control smart devices by pointing at them There's also an automotive application to BMW has some really simple gesture technology in their car But it's based on a camera built in the roof of the car And everybody wants cameras, you know pointing at them all the time going with something like this would allow you to track gestures Without having to worry about it, you know a camera being pointed at you all the time with all the security ramifications there This is this is one of those developments that I think is going to It's gonna take a while to work its way into the marketplace And when it does the first one is gonna feel kind of gimmicky But I wouldn't be surprised if a few years down the road This is a regular way that we interact with stuff, especially in the home and in the car I don't think it replaces touchscreens Any more than touchscreens have gotten rid of keyboards But I think this is going to be a pretty normal way we interact in the future. Yeah, I don't agree The USB implementers forum has recommended implementation of the USB type-c Authentication program now with this a recommendation It'll probably go through but it isn't through yet If it gets adopted the program would require cryptographic based authentication authentication for USB-C devices and chargers so Devices like your phone could be set not to charge or exchange data with anything plugged into them that isn't implementing the standard PCs could be set to only allow connections from verified USB-C devices. So the first place my mind went to was I never Plug in to any of those public USB ports in airplanes or airports or hotels Because I don't know what's on the other side of them unless I have a cable that I'm sure is power only This would allow me to feel a little more safe doing so Because it would be a standard that I could look and say okay Is that is this really an authentic port now granted people could swap that out and and that could be a problem But it would cut down on misuse I totally agree. I am a little bit concerned though We're adding another standard on top of USB-C and different implementations of this could mean that you might have more Cables that are incompatible with more devices and it's already a bit of a landmine Or situate a landmine field right now with USB cables trying to buy the right ones for the right amperage for the right devices And now if we're adding another standard on top of that It might get even more complicated this you know USB-C world was supposed to be you know every cable for every device and It's rapidly showing me that it's not really going to be that way I Don't know. I think those of us who work with multiple devices feel this and kind of over index it I'm not trying to say it isn't a problem But I don't think it's going to continue to be as much of a problem as it has been Hopefully hopefully it'll work itself out as more devices get USB-C This would be a protocol that would let you know if something is safe and I feel like that that it doesn't introduce the kind of complexity that you're talking about as much it basically says Hey, you can you can look for a device and make sure that it's it's cryptographically protected or not Yeah, I hope not. Yeah, it wouldn't mean that every device is cryptographically protected though That's for sure. So it doesn't introduce that kind of complexity Netflix has removed the second episode of Patriot Act with Hassan Minaj from its service in Saudi Arabia after receiving a government order to do so in the episode Minaj Criticized Saudi Arabia's crown prince also the war in Yemen clips of the statements are still available on Netflix's YouTube channel in Saudi Arabia However, yeah, and Netflix says they haven't it's not that they're refusing to take those down They haven't received a request to take those down only the actual episode on Netflix, which is interesting I don't know if Saudi Arabia just isn't concerned with YouTube or if they Get to it yet It is illegal in Saudi Arabia to criticize the crown prince But I mean it's it's a different world to think of for most Western countries where it is illegal to stop us from Criticizing government officials, right? We have free speech protections Saudi Arabia is a more traditional absolutist monarchy And it is illegal there to criticize the crown prince So and Netflix is just following the law But a lot of people are criticizing Netflix for following the law and saying you should resist this and if and if they will Not budge. You should not do business in Saudi Arabia Yeah, and there's certainly an increasing trend against doing business in Saudi Arabia Certainly a big push against companies who do so and you know This is just another factor that major major massive story that's continuing to build and we'll continue to build through 2019 It's certainly one of the biggest stories in 2018 But yeah, I think it's a little bit difficult to expect Netflix to make a major change or you know to be kind of this This bellwether against this this oppressive regime, you know, they're a content company They simply want to do business there and certainly we can't expect every company to stand up against everything that we don't like Everywhere around the world. It's it's a difficult situation Yeah, I I I don't know that there is an answer that would please everyone, right? You're either on the side of the fence that says Netflix shouldn't Cooperate with the government that does things that I disagree with it Or there's there's the side that says Netflix should follow local laws wherever they are They should they we would want them to respect our laws that are different from other countries in the US And of course they should respect laws in other countries And then there's probably people like me who are on the fence saying well I understand that Netflix might feel like it can do more good operating in the country and and following the letter of the law and Pushing these sort of things out to see what will actually stick And which ones won't the crown prince is a very controversial character right now especially in regards to the controversy around the death of a journalist and Some people attributing him as the responsible agent Saudi Arabia says that that is not true But it's it's it's tricky and so you know Netflix even having one episode of a samanage or having had the second episode up for a while Arguably could be more effective than on operating in the country at all. I don't know that I'm arguing that I'm just saying Hey folks if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines Com all right 2018 automotive news was dominated by self-driving cars And Elon Musk Is that a fair summarization do you think Tim? Yeah, I think so and the news of course wasn't always good Especially in those two two topics with self-driving cars Of course, we had the unfortunate uber fatality early in the early in the year I think it was in March which was a terrible story from the beginning to end and ultimately Caused a lot of problems for the company and and for the autonomous industry as a whole. But yeah, certainly Elon Musk Doing lots of Elon Musk things through 2018 was a huge story as well in 2019 I hope we'll be a little bit more about about the hardware about the cars about the technology and about the business Yeah, so so break it down for us is 2019 going to be All all more autonomous cars do folks who like driving have a reason to be excited this year You know, I'm sure most of us will still be driving our own cars in 20 Yeah, definitely the vast vast majority of us said this time next year We'll still be driving our own cars But one of the big stories though will be Waymo stepping forward Waymo has Sort of officially launched their service in the broader Phoenix area kind of at the last minute in 2018 They flip the switch and allowed people to actually start Using their service there in the Phoenix area and I was able to go down and actually ride that service So they'll be continuing to expand that in the greater Phoenix area through 2019 And they're also looking to launch that in the Bay Area as well Doing some rides in the broader San Francisco area whether or not that happens this year remains to be seen But it will be a continual gradual rollout where we'll see more and more areas added in and there may not even be releases on all these Things may just kind of happen quietly That will grow through the course of this year But still it's gonna be very very limited through even through the end of this year My criticism of the Waymo rollout in Arizona Was that it really wasn't any different than the beta program. Yeah, it was still restricted in who could use it The only difference was now they had to pay And they could talk to other people about it, you know, they lifted the NDA Right, it wasn't much of a step forward if they expand to new markets, though I feel like that's significant We're still we still got safety drivers and all this stuff though, right? Yeah, I totally agree It was the softest of soft launches will put it that way But I do like that those riders are no longer under NDA I'm really looking forward to hearing more from those riders experiences and ultimately, you know How it's impacting their lives because that's one of the bigger things that we don't actually know that much about But yeah, everything they do have safety drivers in the car And they've always had operators in the car But they have been for quite a bit of the testing in the passenger seat But according to Waymo that was actually making their riders nervous having nobody behind the wheel So they moved them back over in my rides They never had to take over the car was completely autonomous and the operatives just sitting there watching basically But certainly, you know as we're looking to get people to feel more comfortable in these cars You know, I think that ultimately companies should be pretty conservative and do whatever they need to do To make people feel like this is a safe environment Is this something that's just going to keep inching forward and it's going to be years before most people even see the opportunity for this? Much less cars that won't have safety drivers in them. Yeah, sadly, so it's not going to be an overnight kind of thing We're going to see cars get more and more and more smart You know, we're already seeing the beginning of that technology in cars now where cars can kind of steer themselves on highways and limited Situations Tesla of course had a lot of fame with autopilot on the highway But a lot of other companies now Nissan and Audi and Mercedes-Benz all have comparable technologies On the road right now and it's not, you know It doesn't seem like a big step from there to a fully self-driving car But of course its orders of magnitude more complicated But we're beginning to see the foundations and the technologies put in cars more more cars for example are Instituting infrared cameras that can watch the driver to see if you're actually paying attention And that's actually a pretty big part of the equation too Because for a long time we're gonna have cars that will be able to drive themselves in limited situations But they'll need to hand control back to the driver So that means the car will need to know if you're even paying attention And so we're beginning to see cars that can now make that distinction See if you're actually looking at the road and that then leads us to the next step of cars That can completely drive themselves in some situations and then at that point will get broader and broader in those situations They can drive themselves. Yeah, if that feels like the truth to me That feels like what's a little more likely to happen is yeah The cars will just slowly take over more and more of the driving Until we suddenly realize one day. Oh, I guess I don't really even need to be in here In the driver seat anymore But as someone who enjoys driving I actually am really looking forward to this because we've all had those long highway crawls Or we've all been stuck in traffic. Certainly you guys in LA, you know, that's that's just just no fun There's no way that even if you're sitting in the most exotic sports car on the planet Mm-hmm traffic sucks and so every car at some point should have the option to drive itself And I'm really looking forward to sitting next to one of the most exotic sports cars on the planet while I'm in my 2002 Prius But there are fun cars coming to market this year And ultimately I think one of the biggest stories is going to be that this is the year That tesla sees the strongest competition that it has seen yet We've certainly seen plenty of other EVs on the market But by and large the EVs that have been on the market this far have been pretty relatively low cost Kind of economy car hatchback kind of cars that sort of thing For the first time really we're going to see a number of premium electric cars hitting the market And those are going to be really going right after tesla's bread and butter And so that's really a big question of how exactly will tesla compete when outy and Porsche and mercedes-benz and jaguar all have premium EVs on the road outies will be first Their e-tron is coming to market in the first quarter of this year Porsche's ty con will be coming to markets this year as well. And then the mercedes-benz eqc Will be hitting the market in europe and they're coming to the us in early 2020 All of these are going to be, you know, really nice cars made from brands that you've heard of before with dealerships all over the place Reliable cars nice cars Funded drive cars too. And so they should again really be competing directly against tesla Against all the factors that tesla has been playing on for years now So now the question becomes has tesla moved far enough fast enough to stay ahead of these companies Or will these companies be able to move more quickly now because they've got, you know, 100 years of experience behind them I mean, is it it might be too much to say this is a make or break year for tesla since that's been said every year But this this is the year where, you know tesla Broke its own production records, you know, it finally did get its production up in q4 of 2018 It didn't help their stock price any but but you know, at least it had good news on that front That was one of their weakest points dealerships might be another one And like you say the differential for tesla up till now has been hey want a sports car with electric Want a suv with electric tesla's your only option? Well, now you've got an outie suv You've got a Porsche take hand. You've you know, you've got the cars with extreme range The What does tesla have left to differentiate itself on right now? It's really just range And I think that's one of the things that these other companies are going to struggle with a bit We've not gotten official epa ratings for any of these cars yet because that's a pretty lengthy testing process But i'm expecting that they'll all be in the low 200 range to a 225 to 200 miles of range for all of these cars And you know, I think Porsches will be a bit higher But but even so that's quite a bit less than my lesser my legs, which will offer you more than 300 miles of range Their reasoning for doing so is pretty complicated typically their batteries are a little bit smaller because they have more crash protection around them These companies are also being a little bit more conservative in how they use the batteries With the hope of making the battery packs last longer And that's definitely been one of the complaints about a lot of tesla owners or from tesla owners Is that they keep having to get their battery packs replaced because they keep shorting out? And that's not good at all So, you know, these companies who've been around forever, they know that they need to have a reliable car coming to market So that's going to be a big change for for them too And then the question will be, you know, are you willing to deal with only 215 miles of range? Let's say versus a tesla that can do 300 Do you really need 300 miles of range? Um, those are going to be a lot of things that people are going to have to think about but Ultimately, you know, the warranties on these vehicles should be very good And they're going to be priced very aggressively in many cases actually cheaper than tesla's So, you know, if you can buy a Porsche for a comparable price to model s or even less than a model s A lot of people will choose to Porsche. I think and indeed Porsche has actually surveyed some of their earlier orderers A lot of them are actually coming from tesla. So that's that's going to be an interesting scene to watch Now, I'm sure tesla will have something to tease us with all year long That we'll keep wondering when they're going to deliver on what's it going to be? Yeah, it'll be model y so model y is going to be their small crossover suv You know the model s came first and the x was the larger suv that was similar in size to the s We've got the model three now model y should be the next thing that we see teased That will not be coming to market. We don't think until 2020 But I do think that we'll be seeing some more information about that This year that they've also got a pickup truck coming So we may see some teases of that and of course the roadster We've already seen the new roadster pretty extensively That's again not coming to market until 2020, but I'm guessing we'll see some Some more details on that and maybe maybe if I get lucky It might actually get a chance to take one of those for a spin this year But I'll I'll keep my fingers crossed on that one. Well, uh, usually CES these days has a lot of announcements Maybe not so much on models, but but definitely on technology So, you know, is there anything you're on the lookout there before we wrap up? Yeah, tesla will not be showing us anything at CES But certainly a lot of other companies will and from what we're seeing thus far A lot of the news is actually going to be on the component side things So a more powerful lidar systems for autonomous cars Radar systems smarter interior systems for more more processing power for higher resolution displays things like that So a lot of these things again helping these cars inch their way towards autonomy But we should expect to see the new Nissan leaf EV That'll be again a low-cost EV they've they just refreshed the leaf last year But they've got a bigger battery pack coming And so we'll see all the details of that at CES here and just oh gosh just a week away Yeah Week from today we'll be coming back from CES the DTS team. So it's kind of crazy to think about Oh boy also crazy But wonderful as everyone who participates in our subreddit You can submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news show reddit.com help us make our show better Please also at facebook.com slash groups slash daily tech news show All right, let's move on to the thing of the day Chris christensen the amateur traveler is here our first story in 2019 a new kind of scanner at the denver colorado airport This is chris christensen from amateur traveler with another tech in travel minute Next time you're at the airport, especially an airport in the u.s And particularly denver you may go through an interesting and different scanning system The most noticeable thing about the system is that you don't have to go in this little booth and raise your hands Your arms will be down but more importantly This is a faster system It's the next generation of the body scanners and it also Uses a type of non ionizing radio frequency energy that emits less radiation than a cell phone So it is probably also safer. We'll see how long it takes to roll that out I'm chris christensen from amateur traveler I'll see because uh five years ago today. I applied for tsa pre I don't usually have to go through that scanner, but if I if I do for some reason that'll be very nice All right, let's check out the mailbag. Let's do it. This one comes from shan and it's in response to Quite a few stories We had especially towards the end of the year and and the idea of cashless societies And how they differ depending on where you are in the world Sean says I recently spent eight days in denmark in sweden in total all the cash I used the entire trip was five danish kroner. That's not very much This was a cash deposit refund in an amusement park for recycling my plastic drink cup between an amix and a visa I didn't have to withdraw cash anywhere. One bar even had a cards are queen sign It didn't accept cash at all. I was super happy not to have to pay for convert and access my bank funds I think the discussion points around this are number one How many places in the world are beyond cash number two? What are some merchants and consumers in the us again? Why are some uh merchants and consumers in the us against going cash free? I think there might be some eu law about transaction fees that could be part of the reason I did get charged a little more for not having an eu at issued credit card And number three with europe so focused on privacy and transparency and data tracking Why are they so willing to give all their purchase information away in the us people use cash? So they aren't tracked if I I am ignoring the don't spend what you don't have portion of the equation Of course in the you though everyone seems to be happy to use a card for everything Yeah, um, I don't know man I'm I'm finding it more and more common that I can use my phone to pay for stuff here too Like I think we're I think we're catching the wave finally. We're getting closer. Yeah, we're getting closer for sure I mean I can pay with my phone at the gas station now. That's that's a sign to me Hey guys, uh, we got another email from an anonymous person who works at amazon and wanted to clarify the human error statement regarding the gdpr information that was incorrectly disclosed remember that story from late last year Where somebody got set the wrong information? This person says i'm not part of that team But I understand the wording of the press release what they mean with human error is that a step was manual At amazon we try to automate everything so what happened is that a step of the process was manual That's why it's human error if there was an error in the automated process The press release would have probably read something like there was a problem in our process so there you go Little uh little cremationology for amazon press releases insider info. Yeah Well, thanks anon and also thanks to shan and also thanks to tim stevens for being with us Thanks, sir. Lane rest of 2019. How does it feel? Uh feels pretty good so far. We'll see how things go Where can folks keep up with all your amazing work? Otherwise, uh, you can find me on twitter at tim underscore stevens I'm tim stevens with no special characters on instagram and of course the roadshow.com We've got a big tesla feature coming up on friday, so I highly recommend you stay tuned for that It should be a good one Yeah, uh, be on the lookout for all that good coverage at cnet.com slash roadshow Or what was the the other address the roadshow.com works to the roadshow.com Also, uh out of habit it makes me want to say cnet.com slash ces since I did that for years I'm sure that's going to be working real soon. You're too sure It's not already Uh, hey folks, it's uh five years of dts. 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We really appreciate it We're also live monday through friday if you can join us live Please do so for 30 p.m. Eastern 20 130 utc and find out more at daily tech news show dot com slash live Back tomorrow with justin robber young talk to you then This show is part of the frog pants network get more at frog pants dot com I'm in club. Hope you have enjoyed this bro Good show you guys. Yeah, thank you. Very good. Very good show Good stuff tim. I actually have a lease ending in a couple of months and I was going to ask you If you were if you were a budget consumer Such as myself, what would you go for? Yeah, I think we were talking, uh, honda crv or hrv last time I think yeah, you know dogs were a concern I think the the if you're looking for a little bit smaller crossover the hrv is a really good pick Um, the seats in that I think are are really good for dogs or the honda fit if you don't need to go the crossover route I think is a really good choice to Again, nice low floor and the seats fold up which is good for getting cargo into or pups or anything else Um, those are pretty good as well Or if you want to go the more sedan route the the civic or the corridor are really really great too So a lot of choices in there. I think you can't go wrong. All right honda family. It is Yeah, I think so Good Yeah, a neighbor of mine just got a crv and you know, the body has changed so much more Kind of bulbous than it used to be it used to be real boxy and now it's it's quite ready. They're nice looking cars Yeah, they are uh, and the hrv I think feels a nice gap between the the crv and and the smaller crossover range So that's that's more like a stretched lifted fit a little bit and then the fit is fit It's kind of their hatchback thing which we had a honda fit for I think 10 years and that was Completely bulletproof had no issues at all with it and and again, you know Having the the seats fold up when you've got a couple muddy dogs. We often do was really nice You fold the seats so they come in they don't get the upholstery all covered. Uh, that was pretty great too So yeah, I I definitely highly recommend those And again, I think the the ridgeline too if you're thinking more with uh the truck side of things But yeah, I think the hrv crv or fit somewhere in there should probably fit you pretty well all right, well Thanks for the uh The nudge of encouragement. Sure. Happy to have you have any other questions. Feel free to drop me a line. I'm happy to Have a discuss further That was great. That was awesome info. Yeah, roger. Do you know what you're gonna get now? uh, no because Because you gotta see yeah, I gotta see what just see what monies are available Oh, it's probably one of those things where I get her heavier and bigger It won't fling food around the car. Gavin SUVs no, it's not here. I hear the crossover. I'm going with crossover. Yeah car that's slightly lifted with all-wheel drive But it doesn't have the lower Like we have a we have a four-wheeler that has a you know standard four-wheel drive Transfer case with a four-wheel drive low. So like when you descend the hill, you're not like barreling out of control Um, but don't don't need that Like most people most people would probably be fine with all-wheel drive because they just want to get through the snow Yeah, and most all-wheel drive systems and crossovers these days are pretty efficient They operate front-wheel drive most of the time So you don't take that big of a hit for fuel economy And uh, yeah, they operate really well and they're nice to drive and they will get you through the snow too Um, yeah, but there's a lot of great crossovers on the market now. The xc 40s are really really fun car I've got one of those right now. I actually am testing from Volvo Um, but yeah, there's you know, everybody knows that there's a lot of gold in the crossover hills So everyone's building those things and and they're all really good Yeah, my my main concern is Like my my 2006 Toyota Camry. I love it because it's so cheap to maintain like oil chains You know just lube the cv joints and you're done Like but with like all-wheel drive you got to got to do the rear differential and maybe the viscous coupling or It's like there's just so many things to oil Yeah, it shouldn't be that bad. I mean, I think super I don't recommend about 80 000 miles I think for the rear diff something like that and I think honestly A lot of more passenger cars probably aren't even that often so super move to like all cvt transmissions Yep, yep, even the wrx respect is going to go there before too long. So yeah, it's it's unfortunate. That's why my super is they're both old Like how do they like on the wrx? How do they how do they get the torque without breaking the cvt? Yeah, that's what we're waiting to see But I think I think the the manuals days are numbered for the super. I'm sorry this time Yeah, well, I'll go with electric then electric bring it on. Yeah, absolutely a lot of great choices are too That will be our title too 2019 will be electric Great, I just got an email saying that cnet is hosting a party at ces featuring run dmc Oh fun Got us in it's at drays beach club. Oh, are you guys on the list? Oh, yeah, I uh got us on the list. Oh, nice. Are we gonna see run dmc? Oh next tuesday, what fun maybe It might be fun. I've actually seen them in concert. Um, and it was really fun. Actually, that was a long time Maybe I'll see you guys there Maybe so All right, I'm gonna drop off. Thanks again for having me and again. Grats on five years. It's really been great to watch this So much and maybe we'll run into you at the show floor or I certainly hope so. Yeah Be great to see you. I'll get on we'll keep an eye or maybe we'll watch run dmc together That sounds good too. Although. I probably won't be there very late because I don't stay up late. I'll see You're talking to three early I go to bed at eight All right We'll see you before the show starts then. All right. Thanks, Tim. Good night everybody. Thanks again. Bye That Run dmc Why did I see run dmc? What was that? Oh, uh, Not slims bimbos remember bimbos in san francisco Yes down in down in north beach, you know, there'd be like little tech shows there every once in a while There was some I don't know some tech company Was Putting on something. I don't remember what it was. This is a while. This is like 10 years ago Maybe even more and yeah, they played there What's it part of when uh, the big dot com I think it was part of macworld if I remember correctly Kind of back in the day when macworld You know apple was still involved and yeah, there were sort of parties around town Yeah If I if I remember correctly, that's what it was Is it bio cal that does the buttons for yes? I will text I noticed some creative Because when I create the new doc the doesn't transferred over so that's that's me just mimicking it Oh, you were doing it manually. I see Uh, no, we just need to install that script It's not it's not installed in the uh in the new version because when you make it when you copy a document and only copies the contents Oh, yeah, no, I'm but I'm not I'm not familiar at that Uh, I added him to that rundown. So he should be able to go in and make it happen if you want Otis, do you know how to write scripts? He says no, I don't know how to I don't know how to do that Oh, you know, he was we were in one of the pearl scripting channels over the holiday break me and Otis just Oh, really? Why is he pretending that he doesn't know scripts now so he can get treats. What do you mean shut up Otis? Yeah Mom, I don't know what to do stuff. I don't know how to do it Little did I know he was writing pearl scripts all weekends I just want to write 2019 I um 2018, I mean that sounds like 2019 would would be correct It sounds so weird to me somebody made a joke. I don't know it was on twitter or something made a joke about like Well next year is 2020 and so it's going to be the roaring 20s All over again, and I was like wow, it's so weird to think of it that way Right because I mean I feel like the 20s almost the 20s that much in the past when I was growing up, right? I mean it was before I was born obviously, but right, but yeah, it's you know, we have photographic evidence and Yeah, they're movies and yeah, yeah Yeah, that's what all the bad stuff happened I'll tell you what I had more time. I would 30s were more I think depressive Yeah 20s were what prohibition and lots of bathtub parties a lot of charleston and flappers That too. Yeah, they were roaring because the economy was roaring Right, is that is that what it I never really parties and you know, yeah It was the great Gatsby Yeah, then 1929 is when everything came crashing down Well, we need a man like Herbert Hoover again So we can name my my childhood junior I after him as well or her Did you go to Hoover junior high you went to Herbert Hoover junior high? Hmm when you go in up to the second floor There was a little display case on the first and third floors It was sporting trophies and stuff on the second one It was a little explanation of who he was and that kind of man. He was and How crappy is how he ruined the country's like it's funny. They left out the part of Hooverville's Yeah, like who doesn't love a good Hooverville Isn't that just a euphemism for hobo town? Or um, yeah homeless encampment Hooverville's That's the person No, uh There were people who still believed him in him even after they thought he got a bad rep A man who wears sweaters does not lie Well, no he does A sweater does not A sweater does not make a truthful man Sweater the sweater does not make the man But I have to trust it. He's wearing a sweater. Yeah He seems so warm. I'm wearing a Christmas present Are you yeah, this was from my uh sister-in-law Uh, it's very nice. Yeah, it's got a little little bit of a um a little bit of austin vibe Going on it's not a flannel It's also not exactly. I guess it could be considered a plaid. It's a it's a plaid Check it's not flannel. It's just a regular shirt It's uh, it's it's a lightweight shirt For uh, that is meant particularly to be easily to pack without taking up a lot of Space and wrinkle resistance Uh, huh, I like it. All I need are just a shirt or fabric that you can wear But it's also like chameleon cloth. I'll change so you could just pack one pair of shirt or a pair of pants In a pair of shirts and you're self cleaning Uh pattern changing shirt. Yeah, so you just hang it up at night And it cleans itself and then it's a different color different pattern the next day And then you only ever have to pack two shirts one to sleep in one to wear around Okay, well, you know in our tech prediction show tom you talked about the idea of a lot more wearable technology the self cleaning shirt is the best Technological advancement I could possibly ask for I don't think it's coming this year All they need to do is make you in but that's I love that idea Or the shirt that fits really well and it's like can be seven different colors That would be well, you know, so I'm thinking like a fabric that's as comfortable as cotton Like you can sit in it and it but it's like scotch guard polyester Like you could put something on it like like you could pour like a soda on it It would just beat up and drip off like it wouldn't stick or stay there are cotton shirts like that They're they're not very you lose the comfortable. That's the part. Yeah, but that's the thing like something They're a little stiff. It doesn't feel like you're wearing an ironing board. Mm-hmm Yeah, do some shirts feel like you're wearing an ironing polyester All polyester feels like it's roger often forgets to take the ironing board out after he's done This is uncomfortable Take it out of your shirt again. That's why I don't know it's the hanger No, like polyester is the worst I don't know why well polyester doesn't breathe very well. That's the problem I always had with it depends on what you're wearing, of course, but There's certain where you're like, I don't it just doesn't especially if you're working in it like a shirt Polyester shirt and you're working like your weight and nails. It's just gross Yeah, it can be it can be Well, I speaking of fabric I bought some new linen sheets um, so Wearing them at bed. I suppose wrapping myself in them and it's funny because I I think they came I'd ordered them on amazon and They came in so I washed them and of course Here they come all nice and beautiful and then you wash linen once and it's like super wrinkly And I just was like Not gonna iron my sheets. I'm too lazy for that So they seemed like they'd be kind of crinkly and not that comfortable, but boy, they're comfortable Oh linen sheets are the way to go You I always get the high I made the mistake when I was younger just like I'll go with whatever she piston It's difference between comfort and scratching. We we for a long time didn't you even use a sheet We just use the comforter, but uh for some reason we got these new sheets I can't remember the ugg they might have been ugg sheets And they were so warm and it's been chilly here I mean not cold for the rest of the country but cold for us, you know 30s at night upper 30s Yeah, um, and so when we were changing Eileen was like, well, I guess we don't need a sheet We just we were just trying that out. I'm like no find another warm sheet That's not as comfortable as the ugg sheet was but It's definitely it definitely helps us keep you warm. It's layering. You know, simple. Yeah Simple thing in layering. 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