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Thank you so much and as we are working in our zoom format when we get to the appropriate time If you want to hit the raise hand feature on zoom or hit star nine We'll be able to call on you to go through it with that If other council members are ready, let's go ahead and go to item number three that is public comment for non-agenda items That means for the items that we don't currently have on our agenda for today's work If you'd like to discuss with the council members We cannot get in the back and forth because nothing has been agendized But we are happy to take notes down and give direction to staff So we'll go ahead and start with mike followed by kevin Mike you should have a prompt and as soon as you answer that prompt you should be able to speak Mike are you with us? Okay. I was looking for the timer Kim kim is there a timer today? Yeah, just a moment Mike let's go ahead and have you go ahead and get started and if you just exceed the three minutes I can't remember alvarez will yell. There it is. It'll be much shorter than that. Thank you mayor and committee members I so appreciate the fact that we're now meeting monthly It is a vital that we I know the speed of government is is not as rapid as most of us would like but It is great to know that we're picking up the pace here I just want to say that the the The people that We work with at friends of the climate action plan and also the climate center Are people that are new to the whole idea of the crisis and what has brought it to bear And it would be Good if we were able to see more farther down the road than just a month as in a way to at least At least List as the regular city council lists upcoming meeting lists What might bet on agendas and so forth? I know that's maybe not as As doable as the actual city council, but anything in that direction would be well appreciated so we can Start to bring our volunteers up to speed on the issues that might might be necessary. Thank you so much Thank you so much. Mike. We'll go to kevin Kevin you're able to unmute. Yes. I just unmuted the clock hasn't started yet. Um, anyway I just have some general remarks to make There's a quote that says that for great things to happen You need two things a plan and not quite enough time and that's where we are At yesterday's um Supervisor goren pointed out how at one time sonoma county was a true leader on climate Issues and it's time for us to take that leadership role again. I think With santa rosa as the largest city in the county We should be demonstrating what a city can do to really move the climate needle With an ad hoc committee of just two people and with the help of jane alias the committee laid out a comprehensive agenda For the county to address climate that includes funding for a new climate Division in the county and three full-time equivalents and they allocated 10 million dollars They presented to the board and the public a list of 21 Suggested climate actions that the county could take all of them with timeframes And 11 of them with projected costs involved to accomplish them So i'm hoping that you guys the climate action subcommittee can lay out a similar list of specific actions that santa rosa can take with timeframes and Projected costs some ideas might be Definitely follow petaluma's lead and put a prohibition on building new gas stations I think you could establish a small fleet of school buses and outfit them with batteries To be able to roll into the areas where psps's are occurring and serve as cooling centers or a place for People to charge their phones or keep their medicines refrigerated And then of course my pet pet project would be to build a Model municipal micro grid and i'll close with this We know we have to get people out of their cars And for this to happen we need to give people a vision an idea of what it could be like To use their cars less and we could do that by building at least one well-planned complete street Take a street for example just as an example like sanoma avenue make it free of vehicles except When needed for evacuations or ambulances and firetrucks and police and so on And then have designated safe bike lanes safe sidewalks Designated bus lanes with the safe and accessible transit stops and frequent safe crossings for pedestrians And the landscape median island where people could sit and visit if this happened, I think people would Bus or walk or bike ride to get downtown or to their medical appointments or to movie theaters To restaurants to montgomery village and howarth park or just to get out and exercise So, uh, I think we need to make these kind of bold moves Quickly and be willing to make mistakes. I think that's the only way we're going to be able to live in the city We want to live in and at the same time help to save our planet. So thank you for listening All right. Thank you, kevin. Go ahead go to mark All righty, can you hear me? Okay Yes, we can all righty, anyway, yeah, so Uh, good afternoon and um, I guess kevin and mike took all the good stuff So I just wanted to say and I know I feel the same way Uh, very that i'm that we're very appreciative of the fact that you guys are taking time out of your busy schedules to meet monthly now And uh, you know, I think obviously as you all do that the the situation warrants it But that doesn't make the the time constraints any less challenging. So very much appreciate the fact that That the climate action subcommittee is meeting monthly and I just want to echo kevin's kevin's ideas for complete streets and We'll talk later about Maybe a gas station van Thanks a bunch Thank you mark Really appreciate you being here Council members. I see no other hands. We'll go ahead and go on to item 4.1 Joey, I believe you are presenting I am a rogers, uh, and council members. My name is joey henowitz. I am an administrative analyst in the department of transportation and public works um, and what i'll be talking with about you with today is going to be Uh, a new state law that's coming out that was passed in 2016 by governor brown called sp 1383 three Uh, it's focused on reducing short-lived climate pollutants in california Namely methane and co2 emissions that occur from Organic materials. So the overall baseline of this is trying to Get everybody, you know businesses the public The industry to be putting their food scraps and their organic material into the green bin To where it can then be composted and reduce some of those Short-lived climate pollutants Is really the overarching main goal of sp 1383, but i'll go into some of the details on the next slide So sp 1383 This kind of sets the as to why did the state of california and the legislators may have the state passed this Pass this law. Um, it's it's probably the most significant waste reduction mandate to be adopted in california in the last 30 years Um, and when we talk about organic waste for the purposes of sp 1383 and really for the purposes of the general public to understand What we mean by organic waste. We're talking about green waste So anything that you get out in your, you know, your lawn your your shrubs or bushes out You know, when you're doing your gardening out front as well as as food waste as well Uh, this also includes wood waste natural paper fibers. Um, such as paper and cardboard would also be included in what we categorize as organic waste um Organic waste actually comprises close to about two-thirds of our waste stream in california Um, and food waste alone is the largest uh waste stream that we we find in in landfills Um, according to cow recycles most recent waste characterization study, which was performed in 2014 Food waste comprised about 18 percent of what we currently dispose in the landfill Which you know, we could we could be diverting that into um soil amendments as compost Um, another requirement of sp 1383 is that sp 1383 also requires california to recover 20 percent of currently disposed edible food Um, and why we're currently looking into that um that metric where we don't currently know how much food is is waste stream is edible Um, what we do know is that one in five children do go hungry every nine california And redirecting this perfectly edible food that is currently being disposed to feed those um in need can help alleviate Can help alleviate this issue a couple of other interesting points to make here on this slide is um Kind of mentioned it already earlier about landfilling organic waste leads to the anaerobic breakdown of that material which creates methane um Methane is 72 times more potent than carbon dioxide over a 20 year horizon And landfills are actually going to be the third largest producer of methane in california Responsible for about 20 percent of the state's methane emissions I don't really think it's necessarily an issue for us to understand here in sinoma county But I think we all know that climbing change, you know may seem to some a distant problem Um, but there are more localized environmental impacts associated with the disposal of land our disposal Excuse me of organic waste that have immediate negative impacts on our community now Um, some of those impacts are that landfilling organic waste is a significant source of local air quality pollutants Um, these pollutants have an immediate negative impact on the air in our community and cause respiratory issues and you know hospitalizations Diverting organic waste or to be recycled and composted can significantly reduce these local air quality emissions and the associated negative impacts We're already starting to see some of these impacts here locally, you know longer droughts forming temperatures drying Of our public lands and forests have been contributing to our ever-increasing wildfires Here in california specifically here in our local area cyclical droughts bigger storms and coastal erosion due to rising sea levels are are all currently things that we're seeing currently Happening due to due to climate change So the the baseline kind of a point i'm trying to make here is that we shouldn't underestimate the cost of these climate change impacts um, the state and communities like santa rosa are spending, you know Bunch of money millions billions of dollars to fight these wildfires removing debris and we're building homes That means that we're paying for climate change today So while it might seem like a distant issue the the financial and public health impacts are here now And we need to take action immediately to mitigate climate change Um, and ultimately this is why sp1383 was designed to reduce the global warming gases like methane Which are the most potent and are considered short-lived because they They exist in the atmosphere a lot shorter than like co2 and which is kind of the reason why they call those short-lived We can move on to the next slide, please so now that we understand kind of the reasoning for Behind the creation of sp1383. Let's kind of talk a little bit about the the legislation itself So the sp1383 requirements They do take effect january 1st of 2022. So that is relatively soon here um And they do have aggressive organic waste reduction targets, which are statewide targets Even though these are not individual jurisdiction targets, but this is going to be 75 reduction of landfill organic waste by 2025 is the goal set for the whole entire state to achieve the state of california Um and jurisdictions are going to be required to implement specific actions rather than achieve unique targets And sp1383 actually builds on some current and past legislation that was passed in california on ab 341 and ab 1826 ab 341, excuse me focused on mandatory recycling and ab 1826 focused on um mandatory Commercial organic recycling up to a a certain level Which that level currently is set at about two yards of total trash per week any business We need to have um organic recycling now under sp1383. That's going to be mandatory for everybody So it's essentially going to be mandatory for all businesses and residents to have all three uh waste streams Um the baseline that it was set uh for for sp1383 and that 75 reduction is based on the 2014 waste characterization study That was performed by cal recycle Which which measured about 23 million tons of organic waste for being disposed so as you can see there It's quite a significant mandate. We we we have a 75 reduction with the goal So we're currently at about you know a little over 20 million tons We're trying to get that reduced to just under 6 million tons So it is a very aggressive goal, but we all understand that we're an aggressive stance here to try to fight fight climate change before it's too late As well as the food recovery goal is unique Obviously local governments aren't really involved in food recovery So this is kind of one of the new aspects for us that we're still Trying to figure out between the jurisdictions city of santa rosa and also our Our zero waste partners specifically zero waste sonoma the local Solid waste jpa here in sonoma county Next slide please Okay, so this is a little bit in the past a little bit in the future But this kind of gives you a general timeline of kind of how this is proceeded at the state level and how we plan to proceed moving forward So I did mention back in the 2016 governor brown did sign sp1383. It was adopted There were a few years of informal room making And kind of back and forth between the jurisdictions on language and you know how implementation was going to work out There was a requirement for a 50 reduction in organic waste by january 1st 2020 You know, I will tell you based on preliminary estimates. We we're not we're not quite there yet So our next main goal is going to be trying to achieve that 75 percent by 20 2025 But some of the bigger dates to to take a look at here Especially from a government lens is that january 1st the regulations take effect and state enforcement will begin There is going to be kind of a two-year Overlay period so to say where it's going to be more focused on education than enforcement But as of january 1st 2024 Local governments will then be required to take enforcement and have an enforcement plan Which is actually required earlier in 2022 But we will be physically being required to take enforcement on on folks that may not be adhering to the requirements of sp1383, which we hope by at that point It's nobody but we still be will be required to show that to do cow recycle that we are enforcing on on the measures next slide Okay, so it's definitely an expanse From the current scope of what what we do currently in the kind of solid waste space here at city santa rosa and also on a county level The responsibilities and scope of work for for all of us are going to be increasing significantly and i'll kind of detail some of those responsibilities So one we will be required to provide organized collection service to all residents and businesses For the most part we do provide that I'd say for a good two-thirds 75 percent of the current Community so we will just have to focus on that remaining Sector that currently don't have those green bins, which we are from my understanding the city and also our waste hauler ecology have been working diligently on Under this though, there will need to be some consideration for franchise agreement amendments. So you will be seeing me come back to city council Later in the summer early in the fall with some franchise agreement amendments as well as some other Education and outreach on perspectives that I will be bringing forward to you here to kind of Give you a little bit more of a cleaner update once we have an understanding of The implementation responsibilities and all of the costs that are involved which are still being worked out between city of santa rosa ecology and also zero waste sonoma As I mentioned, which is kind of a new space for government here is that we would be responsible for Having a food recovery program and if there is not currently enough food recovery capacity in our jurisdiction that would be Required to establish an edible food recovery program So we're currently exploring this right now There is currently a county rfp out to try to establish some of these figures and numbers From zero waste sonoma to try to establish at least the baseline of our food recovery capacity currently and what kind of expanse we could potentially need in the future for that so Don't have a whole bunch of answers for you on on that right now But I do I can tell you that we are working on that and I will probably have some clear answers for you Towards the end of the year Thirdly, there is going to be the education and outreach commitment to the entire community This would be on an annual basis and it would also include requirements to to translate to spanish Which is as is not the new for us here at the city So just keeping that in mind that we do have the education outreach Which is going to be an extremely critical important piece of this There is also the requirement To procure recyclable and recovered organic products These products would include compost mulch Biogas electricity, etc Most commonly though will be the requirements to procure a certain amount of compost mulch. This is going to be based on each jurisdiction's Population numbers based off of the most recent department of finance figures that we have for population And I'll go into a little bit more detail on exactly, you know, how much we're going to be Expected to procure but the thought process behind this from CalRecycle is that they want to create Organic markets for these materials and so they want to obviously have jurisdictions have some skin in the game Um, I will just kind of tell you right now. There are some preliminary discussions That we're having one in a few weeks with CalRecycle Myself along with some of the other jurisdiction representatives Sonoma County have have some concerns about the amount of procurement that they're expecting us to procure, which is about 8200 tons What would what would translate to compost a year? I'd roughly a cost of anywhere from about 370 to 500,000 a year, which doesn't even include trucking costs. That would be just to purchase the material That's also a concern off the top but more of a concern is the fact that we don't want to get into a situation where we're competing with our local Ag community and farming community for For compost where we be essentially driving up the cost of compost just because we have this mandate to have to procure it So we're in early negotiations with CalRecycle to see if we maybe get some relief on that Or if we can work with some of our farming community or Ag community as direct service providers on the city's behalf So still working out some of the details here, but wanted to give you guys, you know an update on just kind of the the general update on sp1383 Obviously a big component of this is going to be the monitoring for compliance and conducting enforcement So as I mentioned the monitoring and educational begin in 2022 And then enforcement actions must start as of january 1st 2024 Although we do need to provide and show to CalRecycle Our implementation plan for our enforcement plan as of january 1st 2022. So we should have that all squared away in planning enough time And then lastly we would need to adopt an enforceable ordinance prior to 2022 So that'll be one of the other housekeeping items that I plan to bring back In front of a city council, which will have to be you know, uh, you know An official city council meeting for you guys to sign off on that Wherever you're able to show that to CalRecycle that we do have those enforceable mechanisms And we do have those changes to our franchise agreement To include the sp1383 requirements And then you also see there is if we don't have enough edible food recovery capacity We would be expected to expand that so still currently looking into that as well So there's quite a bit of different kind of topics and hit points here within sp1383 All positive all good, but as you can expect, you know local You know jurisdictional staff is is kind of scrambling to to make this work at the moment Next slide Okay So You might just think sp1383 it really just affects, you know, maybe transportation public works departments or or solid waste individuals at jurisdictions But really it kind of involves the entirety of local government In their roles and responsibilities Every department plays a role and I'll kind of just touch on that real quick So city councils and boards and supervisors like yourselves will need to pass local enforcement ordinances City managers will need to be involved in the capacity planning procurement Inedible food recovery programs Or your city administrators office or county administrators office, excuse me finance and legal staff will obviously need to review and submit Information on local enforcement ordinances new collection fees and ensuring that the programs are adequately resourced Purchasing staff will be central to procuring recycle organic products with a certain recycled content Percentage which is going to be one of the requirements of sp1383 as well one of the specific requirements including paper Public park staff they might be involved In assessing the need for local compost application of parks and city landscaped areas Obviously if we're going to be on the hook to purchase Composed from molds materials annually We're going to need to figure out a space either to have free giveaways or to source this into our local Our local parks and open spaces and so they will be involved in that More of a county kind of consideration, but it does affect us here locally as the environmental health aspect Maybe tasked with enforcement duties, including inspection commercial food greater generators for compliance with edible food recovery Although it does seem that on the in the interim. This would be tasked with with City staff and mainly zero waste Sonoma staff initially with with those requirements And then public transportation and fleet departments could be involved in procuring renewable gas for the city and or county-owned vehicles So as you can see there a big circle We it kind of involves everybody and so everybody does have a piece of the pie Within sp 1383 as I did mention it is probably the most significant solid waste legislation that come out of the state of california since 1992 next slide so as I kind of already kind of deluded to a little earlier we are in the middle of kind of Dealing with the implementation and understanding the requirements and setting forth our education and outreach perspectives City staff is meeting with zero waste Sonoma monthly Zero waste Sonoma acting as the the jpa in the solid waste authority They are kind of taking the lead on a lot of these a lot of this here. And so we wanted to thank our zero waste Sonoma partners We are currently developing an mou between zero waste Sonoma and the individual jurisdictions Which at this point would delegate certain responsibilities of sp 1383 to the agency, which when we say the agency we mean zero waste Sonoma other Responsibilities will be the part of city staff and then ultimately The third third main player and this is going to be responsibility that would apply to our waste hauler, which is ecology so But I'm sure that myself city staff is currently working out all of these details with the appropriate Agencies and haulers and we will be coming back to you obviously as the year progresses with some more detailed information and Updates to the city code our franchise agreement, etc. As I've already kind of detailed already One of the benefits is There is going to be a waste characterization study that's going to be performed zero waste Sonoma was able to Put out an rfp for a waste characterization study That is going to be able to give us a better idea of of what we are throwing away and what's going into the landfill What's going into each bin a little bit better here locally? Most recent waste characterization study was a handful of years ago and we're also going off of the 2014 study Which was for the entirety of california. So we thought it was best to have a more localized waste characterization study That would give us some more You know Significant data that would be focused within Sonoma county. So that is currently underway and will be hopefully completed within the next few years, which is exciting There has been some initial outreach to the community Letters were sent to the commercial and multifamily Generators that would be responsible for for having to have, you know, all three bins in early february And and and it will be also sent out fall up in june and july with the residential letter in june and july Fortunately here in santa rosa and we switched over to ecology. We we did make it a requirement for all Residential members to have that that third bin. So it's that that part's not so much a big lift to us It's really going to be focusing on those remaining commercial and multifamily generators that that don't currently have You know organic waste service It does become a little bit more difficult with the multifamily units, especially those that were built, you know 2030 10 years ago. I didn't have the requirement in the zoning to to build that third bin So there is some potential for us to have some some waivers based off of sizing constraints and space constraints But those those will be minimal and those will be reviewed On an individualized basis by city staff So the procurement target for for compost I did mention was about 8,200 tons baseline kind of calculation that performed earlier with a population of about 176,000 people With the tonnage conversion, you know, we're looking at about On a per ton basis about 378,000 a year This is just to purchase the compost if we buy that in a cubic yard conversion Which in my opinion would it make a whole lot more sense would be just above $472,000 a year And like I said, keep in mind that this doesn't include the trucking costs Nor does it include, you know, the storage of the compost. How are we going to deliver it? How are we going to, you know, Give it out to the community and or put it in our public park So it does it doesn't just affect, you know, the solid waste Staff at at a jurisdiction and it kind of involves a lot of different departments as far as the handling and the You know the production and and putting of the compost into the into the you know, the public space there We can go to the next slide So a little bit of a timeline here As I did just mention, there was some letters that were sent out to the commercial multifamily generators in early 2021 SB 1383 does identify tier one and tier two generators And we we have put together an initial list of those generators In santa rosa And they they do have some additional requirements on an annual basis that they need to be Have some side inspections, which we are currently putting together those those implementation details As well as providing the zero waste Sonoma provided model franchise agreements to the jurisdiction for review That we can utilize to move forward with our individualized processes at our own individual city councils Zero waste Sonoma also provides a model enforcement ordinances environmental purchasing policies and edible food recovery agreements In april the agency the zero waste Sonoma agency did Finish their fiscal 21-22 budget with some fees adjusted for that to to account for SB 1383 and those are Those those figures and numbers are still being developed and actualized by zero waste Sonoma So we have started the mou process, which is the you know the memorandum of understanding between Zero waste Sonoma and jurisdictions as far as pretty much the implementation structure Who's going to handle what how is it going to be handled? You know payment structures. So those are all We aren't working hard on those those are all currently being developed. Um, and like I said, we'll come back to you with some more finalized information in actual documents down the road And then we'll need to start the jpa amendment process as well Let's see here so some of the other things that may need to be looked at that we're currently considering with Legal councils as far as the best way to move forward is a potential amendment to us the city wda waste delivery agreement And definitely we'll have to be some adjustments made to our solid waste collection services agreement, which is our franchise agreement With ecology those amendments will need to be made as well prior to january 1st 2022 By the end of the year, obviously the hope is that we've got all this wrapped up And the intention is that we all have it wrapped up to complete the jpa amendment and any other You know collection services agreement amendments And with with the sp1383 language moving forward. So to have all that completed by by the end of the year next slide So some of the actions that need to be in place by by jurisdictions by the city of sienna rosa by january or by january 1st 2022 Is we would need to have that enforcement ordinance in place that I spoke of We would need to provide organics collection service for all single family multifamily and commercial generators This would include obviously a franchise agreement amendment as I mentioned We do need to make sure that we notify all the generators About sp1383 and the requirements and the reason behind it As an education mechanism There would need to be a procurement policy in place To first year to meet these procurement targets And a lot of this is already contained within our santa rosa environmentally preferred purchasing policy There may need to be some additions and amendments that will be made to that But the good news is we've we've kind of already started on that in the past And so that one's not going to be an extremely heavy lift for us And then also have a plan for funding future enforcement and increasing food recovery capacity next slide So funding impacts You know first and foremost, I think the the biggest funding impact is going to be The expansion of the scope so we do see here that we are expecting that you know for certain elements of sp1383 specifically the um the education enforcement and also the container and contamination Minimization checks we are going to be required to do spot checks on Businesses and single-family homes bins to ensure that people are diverting correctly And then if they're not we would be you know working to educate them and make sure that we get them the correct information So they can sort their Sort their materials properly, but there will be some rate increases that we do expect from ecology to assist with this um There will be some rate increases obviously for the portion that zero waste sonoma will be taking on behalf of santa rosa and all the other jurisdictions so we do expect some rate increases in in that in that um realm um the regulations uh the enforcement of the regulations already kind of touched with on ecology food recovery capacity expansion That would definitely we're expecting some additional Funds to be needed for that and then obviously I did I did mention the compost procurement at roughly you know more or less $40000 a year Are all going to be funding impacts Along with just general staff time Meetings reporting ordinance administration. Those are all impacts and funding that we expect it to happen from sp 1383 and it has been You know essentially what this is is it's an unfunded mandate from the state of california So the expectation is is cities and individualized jurisdictions will figure out how to fund fund these programs and the expectation is you fund those due to through franchise fee increases Or you would fund those through rate increases Um, and I can tell you at this time that we would be expecting for uh to fund the program through Through rate through the solid waste rate increases um throughout the city Um next slide So that is kind of it for me. Um, definitely open for some questions initially, you know I know there's probably a lot of unanswered things and details that Um, you know the city council members and public are looking for we're still working those out But we wanted to initially have a discussion just to kind of put this on your radar. It is going to be a major Solid waste legislation moving forward in the state of california. So I just wanted to go ahead and make sure that we We were able to discuss the matter and and bring it to your attention. If you have any questions or concerns, you know Now would be the time to let me know those All right. Thank you so much joey Council members, do we have any questions? I have a question mayor if I could yep go in in regards to to the The the food that that goes waste What stops us from from having grocery stores open up their pantries to these nonprofits Local nonprofits. Are there a health and safety codes that would impede them from doing so? um, you know The edible food recovery component is probably the the least educated I am on this on this topic I think ultimately that is the concern is that either some of the the Some of the grocers either want don't want to give it away for those concerns of liability as well as a lot of them already have current agreements that they take their edible food to You know certain pig farms or other farmers where they where they dispose of that food And so that would be my my initial answer to you on that But I'd probably have to check in a little bit deeper and get back to you on that Oh, I would appreciate if you did just just for my On educational benefit. Thank you Vice mayor If it's for your own educational benefit Councilman Alvarez, I know liability is a big thing and you're taking something out A grocery store or even a restaurant In serving it. There's a big liability issue But um, what I wanted to say and it's before you've been said this joey is education education education uh, it wasn't until I started really uh Participating in council and being on council and really starting to learn about our climate and how we can do things And i'm talking about residential, I guess at home um Now I have my own little uh compost canister right with the compost bags Uh specifically for that that I can put into the green bin But I had to learn and I had to be educated on that because that was not something Uh living in a working class neighborhood that we really Talked about right so I know that um Working class by pop community and really I stress I can't stress it enough if we teach our children They actually come home and teach the parents So it's really an indirect way to To educate our families as if we teach our children Uh in the school. So thank you very much for the presentation I I can't wait to see it develop And see where we where we go from here and how we can make this happen Great joy. I just had a quick question that it's uh, it's related. It's tangentially related But you mentioned that 20 of greenhouse gas emissions are coming from landfills In those the short term emissions How is that accounted for in Our categorization so for example when we have the central landfill Does that fall into the county's? Assessment of their greenhouse gas emissions or or does it get divvied up by population and applied to cities for our reduction goals? Is that a question like how it's how it's factored in currently or moving forward? Yeah, I I guess both Uh, but when we talk about our reduction goals and we talk about the metrics for our starting point Um, I'm trying to figure out where Where that sits So sp1383 specifically would be based off of the 2014 study So we'll be based off of those those amount of tons that are being um diverted from the landfill As far as how we categorize that In Sonoma county, I I don't have an answer for you. I'd have to I'd have to look into that and get back to you Yeah, if you could at some point, I'd just be curious because when we talk about Santa Rosa has this much in terms of uh greenhouse gas emissions in our reduction goals We produce, you know 20 30 percent If we're not counting things like our organic waste that's going into the waste stream In the impact that that has it's something that I think we need to start accounting for Just so that we're more honest with uh with our our conversations. The other one is just a quick question Um, I've heard some chatter about some legislation in Sacramento to delay The implementation just because so many cities have been struggling through the pandemic Are those bills still making their way through or have they been weeded out at this point? So the last I heard is that I think it's a b619 or sp619 Which is the legislation you're talking about is still in the early stages of trying to make its way through at the state level obviously We do have some some champions and we've been working with I've been On a regular call with the california league of cities and I can tell you that you know, there's a go over 120 Uh jurisdiction representatives there and they're all very passionate about getting that passed Um specifically in relation to giving jurisdictions a little bit more time because of you know the COVID-19 situation Um, so I definitely think that that that is still an option and it is it is moving forward But I don't I don't have a concrete answer as to you know, is it going to pass or is it not going to pass right now? Yeah, yeah, I know it's uh Oftentimes these things don't pass until they do so I totally get that Uh, just make sure that you're keeping us in the loop about what you need from this subcommittee and from the council So that we can get on the agenda to be able to meet some of these obligations and I know you will Of course, and I I think you guys will be probably seeing a lot of me between now and the end of the year to be honest Yeah, yeah, all right. Let's go ahead go to public comment on this item Madam host. Okay, there we go. We'll start with mark and then we'll go on to kevin All righty, can you hear me? Okay. Yep Great. Yeah, I forgot to introduce myself last time. I'm mark mortensen. Um, santa rosa friends of the climate action plan and I just want to first off to thank joey for their really comprehensive report um, so much information there, uh, but one of the things that stood out to me was the He pointed out how all departments need to look at how they can be part of You know, essentially it's it's a team effort, you know every every department has Can make a difference when it gets when it gets down to reducing reducing waste And hopefully this will be reported back You know with the climate action subcommittees report to the to the city council and and put it forward To them as well It was great to see the the tonnage targets in the presentation And I I bulleted the same point that mayor rogers brought up about It would be terrific to have avoided emissions Brought forth, you know, there's likely to be a model that will will take that tonnage and convert it to avoided emissions, which would be, you know, something that obviously we want to We want to keep track of as we we go for zero emissions or net zero by 2030 um And then the other thing I wanted to bring up was that That folk have the friends of the climate action plan provided a list of of climate actions Back at the at the time when the city adopted its climate emergency resolution And it had a this list of climate actions just suggestions had a section on solid waste and so I wanted to refer the committee back to that and Point out three of them just real briefly here One of them 6.5 was to make zero waste normal. That means You know all events taking place on city property, whether it's street fairs or parades or county fairs car races be zero waste And recology is is good working with that and again, this was developed by by foe cap Another one was reducing solid solid waste by building on existing programs to redirect that edible excess food from local businesses to homeless shelters And yeah, you know, we've got to be careful of the liabilities there So it's got to be you know good edible excess food but um, you know, we obviously we've got We've got needs with the homeless shelters and the food banks And so this would be an opportunity to add to that another suggested action from foe cap was To close the loop on food and yard waste. This is 6.7 in the list And that was essentially establish a citywide composting program Making it convenient for all residents to divert all food and yard waste from the waste stream Which is kind of what recology is doing and and make that compost readily available to community members for carbon gardening to seek restoration opportunity So yeah, make it available to community members and again, thanks to joey For for all the hard work and and the staff that supported him on that Thanks much mark next we've got kevin kevin you able to unmute Okay, the unmute button just just showed up. Sorry for that delay $400,000 mandated for compost procurement. That's really something I I imagine that just as joey mentioned There's probably inevitable that there's going to be rate increases For our residents and I I just think about this from a social justice or an equity perspective I have no way of knowing but it would seem logical to me that people of low income create less food waste than others It just seems like that's a possibility So if there is any way that it these rate Rate increases could be adjusted To be based on, you know, income categories. I know that Seems impossible, but I don't know what the answer would be, but it just seems like those again That are least responsible Maybe for the problem are getting hit And and they're the least able to afford the increases. So anyway, just that's just my thought. Thank you Yeah, thank you for your comment kevin Zincy and I might I'm probably pronouncing that wrong zincy followed by jenny Hi, this is zincy. I work with zero waste enoma and joey and I talk pretty frequently I just wanted to take this time to address some of your questions So first of all, I wanted to mention I know in joey's presentation I there was a timeline that said that we were going to be sending out residential letters in june and july That was originally the plan But then we found out that actually all of the franchise haulers in sonoma county already send out Either biannual or quarterly newsletters. So instead of the Agencies are wasting no missing our own letter to Like 600,000 households or i'm sorry 200,000 households around the county We were just gonna save paper and we've actually partnered with the haulers to Send out notices about 1383 or include that in the newsletters The other thing is that we're actually hoping the jpa amendment doesn't have to happen because That was initially the thought that we would have to amend the jpa because zero waste enoma is taking an enforcement Responsibility, but our legal counsel says if we stop before issuing notices of violation and just leave that to the city We can get away with not amending the jpa Um council member alvarez you had asked about food recovery limitations A lot of restaurants and food facilities are Not aware of the good samaritan law, which actually protects them from liability when they donate food in good faith um, and so that's something that we have to Incorporate into education when we do this outreach about 1383 and the requirements The other limitations that we've often heard from restaurants and food facilities about donating food is it just takes extra time and staff effort to Separate out food that could be donated And it's just easier for them to put it in the green bin and have it composted But of course, you know, if that food is edible, we'd like to see that be fed to people instead and finally Mayor rogers yet said I you'd been asking about the bills to delay sp 1383 And I just wanted to mention that those bills They do take time to pass in the state legislature. So, you know, we're not expecting that to happen for maybe like a year at least maybe two years and also If those bills pass it at most would delay implementation and or enforcement of 1383 for a year So, um, you know, I think I would recommend or I'm at least zero asenoma is at this time going full speed ahead with 1383 implementation And we shouldn't rely on those bills to pass. So Um, if you have any questions feel free. I'm here All right. Thank you so much Jenny followed by alimas Thank you, nance for buying them Can you hear me? Yep, go ahead Jenny. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Um, I just wanted to say thank you for a very, uh, interesting comprehensive presentation Um, overall it sounds like a really good idea to try to get, um food to people who really need it as the top priority and to reduce waste And to compost what can't be used, um for people as the first priority or animals for the second priority um, but Joey did mention at one point The production of biogas and I wondered if you could say more about that because my understanding is that um biogas Is basically producing methane is methane is highly flammable and very toxic and has a lot of Toxic byproducts. Um, and I wondered if you could address that issue. Thank you All right. Thank you. Jenny. We'll go ahead and ask that question when we finish public comment We'll go to alimas followed by Karen Okay, can you hear me now? Yep. Okay. Um, I'm alimas silverman. Uh, live here in santa rosa and am uh part of faux cap. Um, I, uh had didn't get the meeting in time to, uh, speak at the beginning but um I really appreciated this presentation and uh, think that, uh, joey did a really good job and, um I have a couple of questions. Uh, I compost all the time but, um We we put things in the green bin both from the yard and from the house But, uh, I would like I'm very interested in getting compost back To use for mulch in the yard. Uh, that's one thing The other thing because this isn't part of, uh, your direct, uh, presentation because it's not part of, uh, green bins but My biggest trash these days is soft plastics And I see, you know, not being able to recycle soft plastics as really a big issue So I don't know joey if you know anything about this or this is part of a different presentation But it is part of getting to zero waste Because, uh, it's the biggest part of my trash I have a little tiny bag and then I have my green bin I have all my recycling but the soft plastics are really a problem So that's the only thing I wanted to bring up otherwise. I appreciate the presentation. I appreciate, uh, chris and, um Vice mayor rogers and councilman alvarez being a part of this committee and, uh, I certainly want to keep following up with you all So, thank you Thank you. Alima. We'll go to karen Hi karen Thank you chris or excuse me. Mayor rogers and members of the, um, committee I have a question that I have called repology about, um, and just wanted to bring it up and didn't hear it addressed in the presentation I live in a condominium complex Don't do my own yard work and the only green waste bin available to me is the large size one And wondered if there's been any discussion about having smaller size of green waste bin and that's My comment All right. Thank you, karen So that's the last hand that I see so I'll go ahead and bring it back For discussion. Now joey, there were a couple of questions that were in there Uh, specifically about a smaller bin question about, uh, the Toxic byproducts, uh from the methane. I'm wondering if you could answer some of these I will definitely do my best. Um So when it comes to the biogas question, um, I will be honest. I am in no Means a a chemistry a chemistry or a biogas expert, but from The purposes of sp1383 the the requirement to be able to use the biogas as an option towards your procurement credits Would be an available option to jurisdictions. I don't think it applies to many jurisdictions and Where that where that comes from is essentially What they would be asking is that if there's any jurisdictions that have an anaerobic digester or anaerobic digest digesting system where they do decompose either sewage or wastewater or You know strictly food waste a lot of times that biogas can be can be captured and then utilized for electricity Which would give you your credits for sp1383 As far as the the chemical components of that I really wouldn't be able to speak to it But my understanding is that because it's being captured and then transferred into electricity It would be less, uh, you know of a potent gas than it would be if you were just to landfill it Okay, thank you Council uh, and I I will also there's a just as a quick correction on one of the comments that was made about the legislation that we That it likely wouldn't pass until next year Um, I actually when I asked the question had intended because it'll either get scooped up into the budget as a trailer bill Or it will be required to be passed by the end of session at the end of august And it's very unlikely to be a two-year bill So I just wanted to clarify that we will know this year Whether or not legislation advances that could push back the deadline from next january So I want to be very clear on that Uh council members. Are there any other comments or questions on this item? Sure Okay All right. Well joey. Thank you so much. Uh, we'll have you back soon As we work our way through this if you could just keep us posted on those efforts around legislation As well as uh, what documents you need to bring to us in the event that that nothing does change Great, and I just want to make one quick mention I did put my email address in the chat box So if there's any other questions from the community members that you can think of Um, I did uh miss her name But the the lady who was looking for a smaller green band Just go ahead and send me an email and we'll work with you to achieve that Yeah, and that was karen. So karen. I think if you look uh in the chat, I think you'll find his email Great. Thank you Excellent. We'll go on to item 4.2. Please Thank you, uh mayor and vice mayor rogers and council member alvarez I'm going to go ahead and get my screen share set up here Okay, um, so good afternoon. My name is amy nickelson. I'm a senior planner in the planning and economic development department And the item before the subcommittee today is a discussion on the city's gas station regulations This is just an outline of today's presentation. It is relatively brief, but I thought I would just orient everyone The purpose of this discussion item is really to respond to comments that we've heard from members of the public Who are supportive of the city? Considering a gas station prohibition We are seeking Feedback and direction from the subcommittee today I'd like to outline the city's existing regulations for gas station Talk a little bit about the existing gas stations that we have within the city And provide some relevant local and state context And then finally I'll highlight an example of a local gas station prohibition And then end the presentation with some city policy options to discuss The city has a zoning code, which is the portion of the city code that regulates land use It also regulates process And has a number of development and design standards for specific uses and also zoning districts So gas stations is a use that is included within the zoning code and it's defined as shown here on the slide a pretty straightforward definition and the zoning code has a table which Indicates where gas stations are allowed within the city so Gas stations are allowed by a conditional use permit in many of the city's commercial and industrial zoning districts They are not allowed within the core of the downtown or the business park industrial zoning districts Any of the residential zoning districts or our public institutional and open space zoning districts I'd like to take just a moment to talk about what a conditional use permit is and what that process looks like A conditional use permit is a discretionary planning entitlement and what that means is that it's not just a matter of checking for compliance standards But there are also findings that a review authority has to be able to make in order to grant approval of a conditional use permit So this graphic on the screen shows Of the steps of a typical conditional use permit It starts when the application is submitted to the department That's then referred to various city staff members and also outside agencies as appropriate And a public notice is also sent to both property owners and tenants within 600 feet of a project site Uh the bigger portion of the review and time is really spent on the blue and yellow circles This is when the application is reviewed for not only code compliance, but also Compatibility and any issues May be addressed during this space Assuming all issues can be addressed The project would move forward With conditions of approval being drafted an environmental review Being completed. So this is whatever the california environmental quality act Would mandate for the specific project on the specific site So once all that work is done then a public hearing is scheduled and for a conditional use permit This is with the city's planning commission. This is the seven member review authority appointed by the city council And the meetings are our public meetings The planning commission would then consider The project proposal and they would either approve or deny the conditional use permit This decision would then be available to the city council So this is a typical conditional use permit process It might be about six to nine months It can currently be much longer than that depending on project issues and the environmental review That's required The zoning code also has a number of standards for gas station uses these include A specific site area and dimension gas stations also can't Join any of our residential zoning districts or single family or duplex uses The zoning code does include concentration requirements So no gas station can be within 500 feet of another gas station unless The site is within 50 feet of either highway 101 or highway 12 intersections Or if the gas station is incorporated into what's called a plan development project plan developments are relatively Rare we have a lot of existing ones, but we don't see a lot of new plan developments But these are sort of projects that have custom zoning And then finally there are regulations regarding or requiring physical removal of a gas station If that gas station becomes non conforming and is abandoned for a period of six months or 365 days in a two-year period so an example might be A gas station was legally constructed and then a new residential development comes right next door to it So that would create a non conforming gas station by this code And if that gas station were abandoned for either of those periods of time physical removal would be required This slide shows some gas stations in the city of sanarosa I included it just to really show the concentration of gas stations along 101 and highway 12 I will say that Getting an accurate inventory of all the gas stations in the city was a bit of a challenge We do know there are at least 21 gas stations But just with the mapping resources that we had available I don't feel 100 confident that 21 Is the exact number, but I know there are at least 21 I also want to note that we have two conditional use permit applications for gas stations under review currently I think it's important to acknowledge the state and local context that Can help inform this discussion one is an executive order signed by Governor Newsom recently which bans gas powered cars by the year 2035 And then an executive order signed by governor brown in 2018 With a goal to reach carbon neutrality by 2045 We also have And our existing climate action plan for the city which was adopted in 2012 This plan doesn't specifically talk about gas stations of the youth But it does focus on renewable energy generation and youth And also reducing transportation emissions as we heard at last subcommittee presentation from rcpa Transportation emissions are about 60 percent of the county's ghg emissions in total And Finally the city has a local goal to reach carbon neutrality by the year 2030 This is memorialized in the climate emergency resolution, which was adopted by the council in early 2020 and this was following support by the climate action subcommittee I wanted to highlight a Local example of a change to gas station regulations and this is the city of petaluma This has been pretty widely circulated in our local news but Petaluma did adopt an ordinance which prohibits new gas stations and this ordinance went into effect in march of this year This is the first known jurisdiction in the country That has prohibited the construction of new gas stations And I'm certainly not an expert on petaluma's ordinance But some kind of high-level points are that it does allow for continued operation of existing gas stations But it does limit how those gas stations can exist, so they're not able to expand For example, they wouldn't be able to add a new Fuel pump, but if they needed to do some minor maintenance work It appears that would be allowed The ordinance also includes some language regarding Installing equipment which would serve zero emission vehicles as well So bringing this back to santa rosa We have on the slides very basic options And and staff at this time is seeking comments from the the subcommittee on any of these options and if you have more specific ideas We would certainly appreciate hearing those so that we can return as necessary and And move forward and we also look forward to hearing from members of the public So one option presented here would be to prohibit new gas stations within the city limits another to modify the existing regulations and i'm happy to speak more about um what that could look like and then Finally, we'll just be no change to the existing regulations That includes my presentation and I look forward to the discussion. Thank you All right. Thank you so much. Amy. I'll go ahead and I'll start with the vice mayor since I know you have a time constraint Do you have any questions or comments? um I was just going to ask what is the modifying existing regulations actually Look like um, if you wanted to give us a brief summary of what that will look like and then I can continue with my comment if that's okay Sure, I would be happy to um, I just have some examples that came to mind as I was putting together the presentation so it might um There might be a change to the the zoning district where gas stations are allowed Changes to concentration requirements Those the two that are popping into my mind right now, but I think that it can really be be open But it would it's kind of a middle option between a prohibition on new and not changing the regulations that we have Okay, and we can certainly come back with um some additional information and options to share with the subcommittee awesome, so uh mayor, I am definitely thinking uh prohibiting new gas stations within city limits is something that we need to look at Uh, the council needs to look at uh, but I would also like to keep in mind that the two applications that are already in Be mindful that depending on where they're at in the process these people have spent a lot of time money and effort in order to even get those applications in and Even Amy acknowledged that within the first the two out of the first three little bubbles. I don't know. I'm a visual person That those are the ones that take the most time So I'm not quite sure where those applications are, but I think we probably should be mindful about where You know that they're already in they've already started the process And if this is something that we're going to do we should be moving forward from here on And Amy I'll ask that to you as a question The two applications that are currently in where are those sites located and where are they in the process? So I guess both a medical uh, both a physical and a metaphorical. Where are they? Let me reach out to the current planning team to find out more about the process and I I can do that right now and get back to you Okay, that's great. Uh councilmember alvarez any questions No, they've been asked and my concerns were the two outstanding applicants I am aware of one of the applicants uh as I've been approached by by them and it To to the point that vice mayor natalie rogers made The the contribution that those applicants are making to the joe rodota trail, which is actually both of our Differs are actually impression. Uh, I'm impressed with them So I would hate to lose those applicants when they're going to make a positive contribution to what is the the joe rodota trail as well as the electronic charging stations, but in regards to uh prohibiting new gas stations within the city limits I am definitely for that And I would like to see what my fellow council members have to say to uh and weigh in on the subject as well Okay, I have a couple of questions to uh, amy First and I'm going to go very aspirational and broad first and then bring it back down a little bit But it strikes me the the council has uh already banned gas infrastructure in new construction That's under three stories We're discussing banning new gas infrastructure, which is essentially what this ban would be Is on a new gas infrastructure Is there any additional gas infrastructure that gets laid in our community? That we would want to look at and perhaps instead of doing this piecemeal Housing and then cars and then whatever the other one is Perhaps what we should be looking at is just a policy of no new gas infrastructure Um, and I don't know if you're prepared to to be able to answer sort of where other Or additional gas infrastructure comes in, but it does strike me as we're having this conversation is Perhaps that we could do something a little bit bigger more aspirational I don't have um the confidence that I can answer that question But I can certainly talk to some of my colleagues and get back to you Yeah, I'd be uh, if you would that'd be that'd be great. Well, uh You know potentially it sounds like We'll hear public comment and then get direction from the subcommittee But it's sounding like we're going in the direction of at least having another conversation about a potential ordinance And so perhaps that's some information that could be presented at that time as well Uh just in case we do want to broaden it Um, and then my my second question it was sort of an assumption Uh, is the proposal or or is what Petaluma did and what we were potentially looking at That existing gas stations that close Uh would then be able to reopen with a different gas station Is it about the the site location or is the proposal once a gas station closes? No other gas stations allowed to open there For the city of Petaluma Yeah for the for Petaluma and then potentially What our options are here I would have to look back at the Petaluma ordinance. I'm not sure about that specific question Um, I think for santa rosa we could we can explore either and so I what we can do is come back with Something more substantial for the subcommittee to respond to and present some some more concrete examples So we can look at both of those options And just before I forget to Vice mayor roger's comment about projects that are currently being processed. We can also add some language for pipeline projects So if they've already submitted We can address how those How those we continue with the process Okay, ma'am. I have a question. Are you asking are you asking like if there's an existing gas station? Let's say I have a gas station. I'm gonna go out of business. Can you come and like rename it and Start up your business with on my existing site. Is that what you're What you're asking? No, I I'd wait until you went out of business and then I would take over But that's the general idea is you've got a gas station You go out of business or you close down And then I as somebody if I wanted to build a gas station in santa rosa I could go and look at where the existing infrastructure was already in place And take over that infrastructure as opposed to purchasing a new site that has to put in the the gas infrastructure I'm looking at it from an infrastructure perspective more so than each individual business if that makes sense This also goes into zoning as well, doesn't it the permissible uses Yeah, and I'll say and then we'll go to public comment. I'm actually I appreciate Uh that folks have been working on two applications Uh, I actually feel no obligation for us to approve something just because somebody has submitted an application And I I want to look at what's in the best interest of the city on all of these as we move forward Uh, and perhaps that is uh, uh, sort of a middle ground as if we had that type of a requirement in our, uh, process That those individuals who are interested in having a gas station in santa rosa wouldn't be completely put out They just have to find a location and there are many That have the existing gas infrastructure already and have have closed down for whatever reason as opposed to doing the outlay for new Infrastructure, uh, but we can definitely talk about that in in the construction of of how we do this as well Uh, so with that I will go to public comment I've seen some hands pop up We'll go ahead start with mark followed by alima Great. Thanks again mark mortensen with the faux cap and first off. Thanks a lot to amy for the terrific presentation very clear First off, uh, just wanted to say that um, you know, if you could see from the map that there are plenty of gas stations in in the santa rosa area and We really don't need anymore. So obviously, um I would strongly encourage the climate action subcommittee to select option one um, right now we're the And that would be the no new gas stations at all right now San Sonoma county is the only multi jurisdictional county in in the country with climate emergency resolutions in all jurisdictions and I think we can do the same thing on on gas, you know pedaluma got things started And uh, santa rosa could be the be the next one in line I guess I wanted to say, um That I would hope i'm missing one little one little item here um, but I would hope that the council would would really just go ahead and and direct staff to to Finish up on the detail work as far as changing ownership and and you know, what would happen with the current infrastructure and You know get an ordinance ready and and bring that directly to the to the council I guess that would be my hope is that we can we can keep things moving on this. It's it's kind of It's time. We take action obviously and we have an opportunity here. So let's let's bring it to the full council and and With the details and I guess that's all I have. Um, thank you very much All right, thank you so much mark. We'll go to a lima followed by woody Hi, this is a lima also faux cap I strongly support banning new gas stations As an architect and I've worked on projects before with gas stations It's my understanding that every time a gas station changes owners they have to make changes to the infrastructure and I'm not certain what those changes are but I do know that The existing gas stations if they just change an ownership have to change things Perhaps they'll be cleaner of ways of putting in infrastructure in the future, but In any case, I support banning any new gas stations. I think we have plenty I think many of us will be going to electric cars as quickly as we can and um, we need more charging stations and Less gas stations. So that's my comment and I support all of you in taking that To the whole city council. Thank you All right. Thank you. Alima. We'll go to woody followed by tom and chris Okay, can you hear me? Yes, we can woody Great. Thanks very much for having me mayor and council members woody hastings with the coalition opposing new gas stations Thanks for the opportunity to speak I the coalition did send in some written comments a while back But I think we might have sent them too early and perhaps not to the correct email address So we did have some written comments, but did not see them in the in the file But hopefully they can be in the record at some point Obviously we you know, we certainly support a Prohibition of new gas stations in the city in the city of san aroa city of san aroza You know, it gets to the question. What what does a climate emergency resolution mean? If it doesn't mean that you're gonna, you know, stop digging the climate crisis whole Then it doesn't have much meaning and expanding gasoline infrastructure or Your natural gas infrastructure is just the wrong direction to be heading in the 2020s So, you know, I urge you to keep it fairly simple and try to cleave just to a simple prohibition against new gas stations If you do want to address Things like expansions of you know more fueling pumps at an existing gas station I think I would agree that you might want to include that but but really not not anything about existing gas stations This is about the construction of new gas stations And you know, there's a lot of climate actions that the city is being asked to do and lots of ideas and proposals out there This is one where the city would actually If you adopt an ordinance, you'd be doing less work because it takes, you know, the city has an active role in Permitting accepting applications and permitting new gas stations and we believe there's an abundance of them We don't need any more and the likelihood is that as gas stations close Nobody's going to be coming in to replace a gas station With another gas stations that they're on their way out. It's a 20th century Model it's a 20th century fueling infrastructure system. And so we should expect them to be Phasing out over the next 10 to 20 years Not being replaced with new facilities. So You know, that's the uh, that's what I wanted to say. So thanks again for the opportunity to speak All right, thanks woody next we'll go to tom and priss Um, hi, can you guys hear us here? Yes, we can Yeah, sorry about the pause. We're old. We can't figure out technology. Anyway, um, mayor chris rogers Council member natalie rogers Council member eddie alvarez Thank you so much for your time today to listen to our community. You guys are in a in a real special time and and a place in your position and our as our council members to make a huge difference in California leading the world in Coming to terms with climate change My name is chris thompson as you some of you might know that um, and i'm from the oakmont democrats and the oakmont progressives Um, I support efforts to ban all new gas stations in santa rosa We need to keep our eye on the ball, which is to save our planet The goal is to phase out gas stations in the service of helping this suffering world of ours Not to be distracted by zoning and other exceptions. I thank you so much for your time And i'll add just a word on that i'm tom amato also active with oakmont democrats and uh oakmont progressives um two things just stand out in my mind if in 2035 we're not going to allow sale of uh gas powered vehicles We really need to be phasing out gas infrastructure And this is one way to do it and a way to be a leader nationally The second thing i'll just comment on as I look out my window as some of you know Where I live here at oakmont. I see a burnt out hill and uh day or so ago We had our red flag warning our first of the year The urgency of climate change is on us and it's going to get worse and we need to do everything we can To move away from off fossil fuels. So again, thank you for your time and leadership and uh, Uh, I hope you uh ban gas stations new gas stations All right, thank you so much tom and chris. Let's go to jenny Hello, can you hear me? Yep? Okay, thank you. Uh, yes, uh, jenny blaker I'm also co-coordinator of the coalition opposing new gas stations along with woody And I would urge you of course to um choose option number one Prohibit any new gas stations in the city of santa rosa Apart from the ones that are already into the process I think the main point is to not for long dependence on fossil fuels into the future So as gas stations close Then those sites need to be cleaned up one thing that hasn't been mentioned so far is how Polluting and toxic these sites are There are a lot of leaking underground storage tank sites all over the city and all over the county and Every time a gas station is abandoned or something it there's always cleanup to do So I would say if someone leaves a gas station Then that's the time to come in and clean it up and And turn it into a site for something completely different um so, yeah, please go for option number one and um Again that would save the city time and money dealing with applications and then dealing with opposition to the applications Congas has already I think We've seen three gas station applications go away as a result of a lot of public opposition and This is only going to continue As as time goes on so If you were to adopt option one now it would save a lot of Money and hassle in the future Thank you very much for your time and thank you for bringing this to the agenda today All right. Thank you so much jenny That's the last hand that I see so I'll go ahead and bring it back to council members. I will note I will note that some council members have had a chance to weigh in a little bit But I'll start with you council member alvarez. Let's give direction to Amy about what we would like to see next Thank you mayor for my for myself. Ultimately it is about removal of uh gasoline stations within the city of san rosa and from my own personal experience So the the the jewellery store that my family owns used to be the bad beneath gasoline stations So I do believe that we can take property and reinvent it into something that that can give use uh for the community And could be very successful. So I don't see as uh Defunt the gasoline station as something that can be a blight. I definitely see the potential in it And we will speak of of moving Into the future and hearing that the car manufacturers are Moving away from gas it it it only makes logical sense that we do the same All right vice mayor um, I would like to see it go to council With my additional comments really Yeah All right, and then uh my comments amy. I I agree uh our future is not Is not our greenhouse gas emissions. It's it's not gas of any type And so I am interested in seeing it it it will have to come back to this committee as an actual policy for approval That then we can send the policy on to council to do But I'd like to see us craft it There are some some lingering questions that I have out there. Uh, just in terms of options and how you Bring it to us. Uh, one of them is that question about what additional gas infrastructure We have in our community It it might be that we go the simple route and just say no new gas stations, which is my preference It might be that we go bigger and we say that there's other things that we're not thinking about That have gas infrastructure and and requiring no new gas infrastructure in our community So I'd be interested in seeing that for sure. Um, I also would like to see in the policy if somebody is Utilizing an existing site of a gas station That when they come in or if they expand the gas station to have more pumps that That there's at least a one-to-one trade-off between charging infrastructure for vehicles versus the new gas pumps, so for example, you have an existing station that wants to put in two new pumps that can be reviewed Along with they have to have at least two charging in charging infrastructure stations Any new any old gas station if Natalie's gas station goes out Goes out of business and I want to take it over I have to put in the the electric charge stations at that site to offset The the gas pumps as well just some ideas for us to consider when this policy comes back to us next time I also think it'd be really helpful for us to have the data point of how far somebody in our community Currently has to drive to get gas I think what I saw was That you have five miles was the max in our community from one to another And and it'd just be helpful for us to understand particularly for Some of our communities that are not going to be able to switch to electric vehicles as quickly as others to see what the actual social impact is to them as well Uh, and I and I see a comment has popped up. My preference is no additional Gas pumps being added uh in our ordinance that we consider But I do want to consider different possibilities within it with the charge stations when we do consider that are at our meeting Uh and mayor yep, I know we're not going back and forth But just wanted to say that even looking at the math as far as concentration in gas stations It looks to me that the concentration of gas stations is in lower income areas and not Up on the hill somewhere. So I just wanted to to put that put that out there They are in our neighborhood eddie, right? I mean, I I think yeah, I think they are there And if you look at the corner of sabbatical road and stunning point, uh, actually highway full road and sabbatical road you'll notice that there is a big gap of um Of the there isn't concentration there on that corner for us Which which kind of begs the question of how far do people from that neighborhood have to travel to get the gasoline Uh, post to other areas as well interesting Okay, uh, amy any additional questions for us Uh, I do not think so. That's helpful. So, um, what what I'm hearing is that The subcommittee is interested in a prohibition of new gas station citywide We'll look into, um If there's additional gas infrastructure within the community and provide that information to the subcommittee Next time we meet to discuss this item, um, we'll also include information on potential eb charging stations. Um, if additional fuel pumps were to be added just as an option I'll look into distance to drive to a gas station And then I will My what I'm hearing is that I we can Kind of flush these things out and so there's more concrete things to respond to And then following that subcommittee meeting We could start on the drafting of an ordinance which would then Go to the entire council. Is that what what you're envisioning there? I think, um Yes, all of that is great. What I envisioned was, uh, the direction that you're getting from council members right now What the subcommittee is to draft the ordinance So then we can see the draft ordinance and the subcommittee and sign off on it and then send it to to council for approval Okay, so when when this item comes back, it would be in the form of a draft ordinance And potentially some options on address Those items that I listed off a moment ago Yeah, yeah, okay. If if other council members are comfortable with that I think that that's the best way for us to project manage moving a policy forward is Let's write it. Let's discuss it and then, uh, Send it to the council if if we deem that it's appropriate And mayor to reiterate your comment about the infrastructure and how we can be innovative towards the future I think that's a great comment and in a great direction through moving. I just really want to highlight that part Keeps it keeps it in the forefront for me all the time Eddie All right, I think we've got direction on this one then And Amy I'll work with you to see when we can bring this back to the subcommittee I know you have other things on your plate as well, but I recognize the urgency Of what we're trying to accomplish Great With that we'll move on to subcommittee reports. Do we have any reports from our subcommittee members? Natalie or Eddie All right, seeing none. We'll go on to staff reports department reports Do we have any reports from our staff? I have a few few quick things to run through first Kimberley hopwood. She's acting as the subcommittee's recording secretary while Kaylee is out on leave So just wanted to thank kimberley for hosting in today's meeting Next I wanted to announce that we are hosting 10 community vision workshops for our general plan update so this information has been posted in a number of places but thought I would take this opportunity to state that those are occurring this week and next week And they will be held by zoom. So if anyone is interested in attending one of these visioning workshops You can go to santa rosa forward.com forward slash vision workshop and there will be one Workshop at least one workshop held for each of the council districts and there will be a council member attending These these workshops as well. So we really hope to get as many people to participate as possible Also, I appreciate both Mike and Kevin's comments that were made earlier today on upcoming meetings and what staff is working on So we are working on finalizing our upcoming meeting list To both that are informed the subcommittee and also the public on various issues that staff is working on And to also show how those efforts are aligning with the rcpa climate mobilization strategy. So We'll have more on that soon And then finally planning staff are reviewing a draft report from a climate adaptation workshop that we held in january with many members of the public So we look forward to sharing that final report with the subcommittee and the public soon And that is it from me All right, thank you so much. Amy And I appreciate you bringing up the visioning workshops For the general plan our first one is for district five. It's tomorrow night And then there's a spanish version of it that'll be on saturday as well. So hopefully folks will join us And for the full list can see each district as well I think I think you I think you said there were 10. I think that that's right And so there's plenty of opportunities for people to participate and it's really impactful as you know on our climate Any other statements or comments? All right, thank you. No, sir. I'm just thank you for much for further presentation. Amy. I do appreciate it All right. Thank you everybody then we will go ahead and adjourn. See you all soon