 Okay, I'm gonna go ahead and call to order tonight's meeting of the City of Santa Rosa Planning Commission and ask for a roll call Please let the record reflect that all commissioners are present Okay Next we'll move on to the approval of our minutes. We have our January 23rd minutes any Corrections comments to those that's drafted then those will stand as drafted. We also have our February 13th Draft minutes any comments or corrections to those? Okay, so those will stand as printed as well So next we'll move on to public comments Which is a time for any member of the public to address the Commission on matters of interest to the Commission That are not listed tonight as a public hearing. You don't have to have filled out a card to speak to us I'm gonna go ahead and open public comments and And Mr. DeWitt, are you gonna be speaking under public comments? Okay, great last 22 years to always advocate For affordable housing, but also sound planning I was last here at your last meeting and I was taken aback by the way it was handled specifically because people who had come forward to voice a reasonable concern about some housing coming in on a rural road Were essentially given the bum's rush Now the reason why is because we came here and spoke with you and pointed out the zoning administrator Did not make the information about the case available during that hearing and then also pointed out that no minutes were taken of the meeting and no recording was taken of the Meeting so no one could actually be able to say truthfully and factually what it occurred The dilemma that we faced is that there's an appeal process that you have to go through to point that out But the Planning Commission held their meeting on that item before the time limit for the appeal was up The people came here and spoke with you and asked for a continuation It was said that yes that might be able to occur Then after public top comments were given they were told no as a matter of fact we're gonna approve it And we'll see you down the road And it was on the City Council's agenda for the next week So what's happening here is a rush to disaster capitalism? We're getting past that ethical approach Getting past that situation of where we try to balance things fairly and give the community a real chance to get things done The reason I'm mentioning this is those same neighbors appealed your decision that night to the City Council What's gonna happen today also is of interest to me also as a supporter of affordable housing but a fairness accountability and Transparency in all processes today. You're having a hearing Before the appeal process time is up at City Council next week It's already on the agenda and the preliminary agenda is saying it's approved So this is one of those things where you have to look at yourself each and every one of you in the mirror All of us here and say, okay, what do we stand for and what do we really believe in are we gonna try to get? Honesty and truth in a forthright manner and everything we do or are we just gonna try to work the system We're gonna try to go forward because oh we had a fire a couple years ago And the people affected most were ones in houses that shouldn't even have been up there Because people were told at the Planning Commission. It was a bad spot to put houses in a fire zone Anyway, that's all under the bridge in one sense so the question before me today When I try to come back perhaps and speak later in support of affordable housing is Will you folks be fair in what you do because it sure did not seem last week? Thank you Anyone else wishing to speak under public comment tonight I'm not seeing anyone rise to do that. So I'm gonna go ahead and close the public comment time and move on to Planning Commissioners report and any reports Tonight from commissioners. I have one the Waterways committee meeting Happened this morning. We took a look at the we got another update on the downtown stationery specific plan with a specific Opportunity for the committee members to look at the Prince Memorial Greenway and and and to offer up comments specific to the treatment of that within the plan so it was a good meeting and a good discussion I Also want to let you know that Commissioner Carter was in attendance to view the meeting and I will be appointing Commissioner Carter to be the Planning Commission appointee on the waterways committee beginning in March So that's mine Next is department reports We have no report Okay Any statements of abstention by commissioners I? Unfortunately need to abstain from item 10.1 as I have a financial conflict with both of the applicants. Thank you for that We have no study session this evening and when or any consent items and So with that we're gonna move on to our one and only public hearing this evening. I'm gonna let commissioner call you exit and That would be item 10.1, which is the Caritas Village EIR and planning project It is an ex parte disclosure and commissioner car or anything to disclose I've visited the site and met with the applicant as well as some neighbors of the project area I have nothing further to disclose Commissioner Duggan I met with staff to discuss concerns about the process I've met with representatives of Burbank housing and Catholic Charities twice once at the site and I've also met with neighbors of the The site and from the historic district to take a walking tour of the St. Rose district And I've got no additional information to disclose. Okay, nice chair weeks I also visited the site as well as meeting with the applicant actually twice probably over the last year and Did a very interesting walking tour of the neighborhood with two of the neighbors and learned about some of the buildings that both in the neighborhood that had utilized adaptive reuse of Some construction materials But nothing new to disclose Commissioner Peterson So I'm also met with I visited the site. I've met with the applicant twice over the past year I met with some neighbors Who live nearby the project and got a I think the same walking tour and learned more about the neighborhood? I also met with staff to Get an overview of the project and I met with councilmember Chris Rogers I Visited the site mess met with both applicants twice met with neighbors and also met with staff Okay, I also met with the applicants representative representatives twice probably within the last year visited the site toward the St. Rose neighborhood with the neighborhood leaders and In full transparency, I didn't know that Your color was purple. So this shirt means nothing Okay So and I have nothing further to disclose With that I'm gonna add We'll go ahead and begin the card is item Christian a two means a senior planner, but I believe staff will have a team approach beginning Yes, I'll kick it off. I'm Claire Hartman deputy director for planning So you are looking at a specific proposal tonight, but I wanted to put it in context in terms of Where we're at in terms of the city This project has come to us and so in unusual times we are in a housing crisis We have declared several emergencies homelessness. We've declared a homelessness emergency we've also identified Downtown housing affordable housing and addressing homelessness as tier one council priorities and as such that takes Quite a big context for the city organization when we're processing an application like this So when it is this proposal does include downtown housing does include affordable housing and does include Not only a homeless shelter, but homeless support services when you have such alignment with council goals and priorities and statements of emergency We take this proposal quite seriously. So we have prior prioritized the processing of this project now It has taken the course of a couple of years processing this project is quite complex the site itself in an urban context It's quite complex at the edge of a preservation district In addition It literally needs solar planning entitlements except for a hillside development permit So there's quite a number of actions that you're being asked to consider tonight And what it means to be prioritized is that each and every department of the city we align our resources and look to expedite the process meet all the requirements of public process, but really Align our resources so that we can get through Each and every steps quite a lot of steps to move this to hearing tonight In addition, we're going to go over we have a presentation of the entirety of the public process to date Like I said, we've been working on this for a better part of two years on there's been many touch points with the community several public meetings in advance of this formal public hearing that's set up for consideration and action Other touch points have been pre-application meetings or concept design review meetings and those are all available to the public One of the meetings that we did chose not to do in the spirit of Streamline the process is it's not a required meeting, but it's one that you as commissioners are used to Having and that is an extra public hearing that precedes this one and that public hearing is typically held When the draft EIR goes comes out publicly It's an extra forum if you will for the public and for commissioners to weigh in on a draft EIR so we that's a Currency meeting and what we've done instead is we followed the 45-day comment period Which started in early November and went through December In effect we did get one comment letter, so we didn't feel that it was Necessary to have that additional step But what I want to say to the Commission since you're used to having an additional step to comment to us is Tonight you have an ability to comment We also have an ability to act but don't negate the opportunity to comment on the draft EIR because it is a draft And you're looking at a recommendation so your role is to weigh in as The EIR moves its way through the process to the city council, so you Just because we didn't have that public meeting with in this forum doesn't mean you don't have the opportunity to comment and Then just as a big picture of what we're doing tonight in the whole of the process for a project like this of the scale is You're deciding if this project moves forward. Is this the right land use designation for this site? Is this the right land are these the right land uses in their proposal and under these conditions for this site And is this the level of intensity that's appropriate for this site? So it's the if they get to do this project the how the design Lucky for you. You don't have to weigh in on that. There's other review authorities in the city In fact, there's a joint review process that takes place with the design review board and the cultural heritage board They've already weighed in on a concept level this project as it moves forward Post city council review will return back to those boards and they'll to go through that process So but this is the fundamental entitlement. So these are the first actions So with that I'm going to leave it over to Bill Rose and he's going to talk about the rest of the presentation Thank You Claire chair Cisco members of the Commission. Thank you for being here this afternoon It's a pleasure to present to you the carrot house village project as Claire mentioned staff has been working on this for the better part of two years Given the scope of the project our presentation will be slightly different than what you typically see So I'd like to outline that we will begin with a presentation from Kristen a to me and senior planner She's the project manager that has been on this from the start She's going to go through the fairly typical process I'll be at a little bit longer than you usually see and we will focus on all of the land use actions That will be before you tonight. So those will include a general plan amendment a specific plan amendment a rezoning tentative map minor use permit and of course the EIR that's required is really the first step In addition to Kristen a you have the staff at the table including Ashley Crocker from the city attorney's office We also have a number of people from other city departments in the audience representatives from housing building engineering traffic fire and police They've all been fully briefed on the project and are able to answer any questions that you might have Sitting at the table with us tonight our representatives from stand tech consulting that is the city's EIR consultant and After Chris Kristen a concludes her presentation We will go right into stand text presentation and that will focus solely on the EIR The applicant team is here They have several speakers and they have a presentation and are prepared to present to you as well and Process that we've done a few times now at the planning commission that we think works Well is to after the conclusion of the staff presentation in this case also the consultants EIR presentation The applicants presentation and then public comment We would recommend that that would be a good time to take questions from the planning commission So with that, I'd like to turn it over to Kristen a for the staff presentation Thank you, Bill. Thank you chair Cisco members of the planning commission I'm Kristen a to me and senior planner with the planning and economic development department. I'd like to introduce the project Kira toss village The project site is 2.7 acres and is within the west part of downtown And it's bordered by 7th Street to the north a Street to the east 6th Street to the south and Morgan Street to the west The project is currently developed with Catholic Charities Homeless Service Center and Family Support Center and To give you a little bit of a context to the neighborhood to the north is a residential neighborhood Consisting of one and two story detached Residential buildings and a vacant lot at that corner of 7th and a that's currently being used as a garden and the south and east adjacent properties It's a three-level concrete parking garage for the mall. That's approximately 20 feet tall And to the west we have highway 101 the on ramp to highway 101 and a sound wall along Morgan Street the proposal is for a redevelopment of the city block and It's the proposal has two components is a it's a 126 unit affordable housing development known as Kira toss homes to be operated by Burbank housing Any comprehensive family and homeless support service facility known as Kira toss center to be operated by Catholic Charities? Kira toss center would centralize services and programs that are currently located on the site by Consolidating them into a single comprehensive homeless support services facility Totally approximately 46,587 square feet and three stories in height The project would expand its emergency family housing accommodate night and gale program participants and expand the transitional residency program The second component Kira toss homes would provide up to 126 permanent Affordable housing units plus two units for on-site managers and those units would be a mix of studio one bedroom and two bedroom apartments And half of these units would target people who have experienced homelessness or who are at risk of homelessness So this project has had quieted journey On March 21st 2018 Before the applicants submitted for their entitlements the city held a pre-application neighborhood meeting That meeting was very well attended with approximately 50 people There were several attendees that were opposed to the demolition of contributing structures within the historic preservation district as well as They were opposed to the overall scale and scope of the project Some felt strongly that the multi-story structures were out of character with the neighborhood Others supported the project and submission to provide homeless services and affordable housing Supporters also pointed out that the proposed project will change the landscape of a site that is bounded by a large mall parking garage and highway 101 and It will also fulfill an important community need on April 19th 2018 staff presented a conceptual design of the project to the joint meeting to a joint meeting with the cultural heritage board and designer view board and Then on September 10th 2018 the applicants submitted for their entitlements which include a general plan amendment rezoning Conditional use permit tentative parcel map and major landmark alteration permit on October 12 2018 staff mailed a standard notice of application to property owners within 400 feet of the project site at that time our noticing requirements were Not as Expansive as they are now that we only had a requirement for 400 feet But staff felt that due to the scale the project It we should have sent out a more substantial notice so on November 1st 2018 staff mailed a revised four-page color Notice of application to all property owners within a thousand feet and this is this was predating our current Postcard style notices that we currently send out on January 24th 2019 a notice of preparation of the draft EIR was sent out a Written comments to the notice of preparation are included as appendix a of the draft EIR and On February 6th 2019 planning stuff staff held a scoping meeting in the round barn to determine the scope of the required EIR That scoping meeting was also well attended with approximately 25 to 30 people in their comments And and transcripts are part of appendix a as well More recently on October 16 2019 staff presented a revised conceptual design Of the project to a second joint meeting with the cultural heritage board and design review board at this time we now required notices to property owners and tenants within 600 feet, but we kept our thousand foot radius For the noticing and the applicant was required to post onsite signage on each street frontage. So for onsite signs On November 15 2019 city staff mailed and posted a notice of availability of the draft EIR The notice was published in the press democrat And there was a 45 day public review period that started on november 15th and ended on december 30th 2019 For tonight's meeting Notices were mailed to all property owners and tenants within a thousand feet. We kept that expanded radius Onsite signs were installed on each street frontage. So four signs and a notice was in the Post in the paper The same has occurred for the march 3rd city council meeting. So it was a separate notice for the city council meeting separate signs on the property and a second notice in the press democrat The applicant is requesting the following entitlements. It's a general plan amendment a specific plan amendment a rezoning A tentative map in a minor conditional use permit At the time they originally applied a major conditional use permit was required But the code was updated to only require a minor use permit for an emergency shelter So the planning we're asking the planning commission to make a recommendation to city council for the following seven items to certify the EIR to A recommend adoption of the finding of facts recommend approval of the general plan amendment recommend approval of the specific plan amendment recommend adoption of the rezoning Recommend approval of the minor use permit and recommend approval for the tentative map If this project successfully Is successful tonight and at city council They would still be required. There are further actions required To construct the project There would need to be a joint meeting with the designer view board and cultural heritage board and the chp would review The major landmark alteration permit for demolition And also the new construction Because it is within the st. Rosa's torque district And then the drb would review the major design review permit for a new construction with the down within the downtown area And they would also look at the density bonus concessions The housing allocation plan concessions and the proposed parking reduction And for this meeting notices will be mailed similarly as they were for this meeting So owners and tenants within a thousand feet for onsite signs and a notice in the paper In addition a future required action is a conveyance of some remnant parcels on february 24th This week the housing authority took action approving conveyance of four parcels located on sixth street between a and morgan street to the city The city council will be asked to approve acceptance of the remnant parcels Reservation of right-of-way and transfer of the remaining land to catholic charities for development of affordable housing in compliance with government code section 5 4 2 2 2 That the property first be offered as a location for low and moderate income housing the app the project site has a quite a mix of Different designations on the site as you can see it's bifurcated north to south with different designations The general plan designates the parcels along a street as retail medium residential And the parcels along morgan street as medium residential with a maximum density of 18 dwelling units per acre The applicant the applicants request a general plan amendment to change the project's land use designations to transit village mixed use Which would allow for a higher intensity of residential uses within a quarter mile of a transit facility The transit village mixed use designation Requires a minimum housing density of 40 dwelling units per acre And there is no maximum density designation Or density requirement for this designation As part of the project excuse me the applicant proposed an attentive parcel map to reconfigure The block and subdivide the underlying lots into three parcels The two proposed residential structures the northern parcels Each with six three 63 units will be constructed on 0.69 acres and 0.68 acres And this will result in a density of approximately 91 to 92 dwelling units per acre and Currently the transit village mixed use Is the only general plan designation that would allow for this type of density As part of a general plan amendment we typically ask for questions um regarding Why a general plan amendment is appropriate in this situation or in each situation The current general plan limits the allowable density on the site The project site benefits from proximity to multimodal transportation And promotes several general plan goals and policies to encourage dense pedestrian oriented development in the downtown area As you might be aware We're currently going through a downtown station area specific plan update and the reason being is The original plan adopted in 2007 projected that by 2027 we would have Approximately 3400 new residential units and halfway through the planning period Only 100 units were developed with an additional 275 units approved but not constructed. So we're way behind And the council has um on their on their website has posted their council priorities Number one is recovery rebuild after the fire number two is a comprehensive housing strategy Three is open government task force recommendations four is downtown housing and five is homelessness So three out of the five directly applied to this project or sorry four out of five would directly apply to this project In fact a tier one city council goal Is for the city to bring a mix of affordable to market rate level transit oriented housing to support the needs of many city residents And affordable housing is of particular interest to the city And it's important to provide housing that increases walkability reduces greenhouse gases And create a better quality life and increases but traffic to local businesses the 2035 Center as a general plan and visions transit bill it makes used to be designed and oriented to create a central node of activity At or near the transit facility This project is a thin close proximity to bus and train Train travel Housing densities are required to be a minimum of 40 units per acre and there's no maximum density requirement for this designation Um, and then this designation would promote higher density For a for a project that's currently bordered on two sides by a three-story parking garage and a tall freeway sound wall The maintenance of the h district overlay would Also create an additional design review component for any new construction with a historic preservation district So it would add an added layer of review for any type of new development As you can see the parcels also have some mixed zoning The parcels along morgan street are zoned multifamily residential And the parcels along a street are zoned neighborhood commercial The proposed project would rezone the property site to tvm hsa To allow for the proposed multifamily dwelling units The tvm zoning district or transit village mixed use Zoning district is applied to areas again within approximately one quarter mile of transit facility and Is appropriate for a mix of higher density residential office and commercial uses And it's designed to be oriented as a central node of activity out or near the transit transit facility Similar to the to the general plan designation The minimum allowable density is 40 dwellings per acre and there's no maximum density The entire project site um as you can see with the dash h Thank you Is within the st. Rose historic preservation district In addition the parcels along a a street are within the station area combining district for the downtown station area specific plan And that s a district s a designation or station area combining district designation It is intended to enhance And reinforce distinctive characteristics within the downtown station area specific plan area And create environments that are comfortable for pedestrians The tvm zoning district is consistent with the transit village mixed use land use classification of the general plan The tvm zoning district requires that all new development within this area be a minimum of two stories Caritas center is proposed at up to three stories and caritas homes will range from two to four stories And the transitional housing emergency shelter uses are allowed in the zoning district with a minor use permit This project is within the downtown station area specific plan And as you can see it's got a mixed designation for this as well The parcels along morgan street are within the downtown station area specific plans historic residential sub area The parcels Along a street are within the downtown station area specific plans courthouse square sub area And those are two distinct Sub areas the courthouse square sub area is more of a commercial core For santa rosa and consists of a mixer retail office uses And it's envisioned to be developed into a vibrant mixed use area with new housing Um Whereas the historic residential sub area consists of the four historic preservation districts And this project is within the santa rosa historic district The downtown station area specific plan envisions the maintenance and enhancement of the existing residential character Of the historic residential sub area As stated before the project the proposed project which will range from two stories of four stories Would require a specific plan amendment to include the parcels along morgan street within the courthouse square sub area Since the development since the density and the height of the new development Within that historic residential sub area is limited to three stories So while the tvm Zoning district and general plan designation does not have a density limit height will limit the project um The overall height limits the density of the project In addition the downtown station area plan includes the provision of roundabouts At the intersections of seven street and a and six and a The proposed project includes the modification of the downtown station area specific plan to include the roundabouts at a specified 80 foot diameter Reducing the diameter of the roundabouts 80 feet would allow truck traffic to access the downtown plaza But they would not be able to make a left turn onto a from six or access the roundabout on a street and seventh The truck access limitation would be consistent with the pedestrian goals of the downtown station area specific plan These roundabouts would not inhibit emergency vehicle traffic at all First city code a conceptual designer view is required for the project With it within the historic binding district On april 19th before they submitted their entitlements the applicants presented a Very different plan. They had not yet acquired those two little houses on the south west corner And the chp and drb provided very useful comments The chp felt that it was a very useful and needed project for the city city, but they had reservations about demolition Of structures with an a historic district They also had concerns that the each district does impose a height limit And they wanted to make sure the project Was consistent with the size height rhythm setbacks roof shapes and texture of the district They also suggested that the applicant look at ways to Adaptively reuse the site And they felt the design should reflect the st. Rose neighborhood like it had always been there The drb commended the project for its 100 of affordable housing They also were conflicted with demolition of the structures But they liked that it was a lead gold building And they had a lot of positive things to say about the design Um, they wanted the residential portion To have a little bit more excitement But they thought the project The way it was designed It was designed in a caring way beyond barracks style housing That you would you might see in older Affordable housing projects and they liked the courtyards the central courtyards On october 16th, um, the the chp and drb reviewed the most recent Um project design and the chp Wanted the applicant to revisit how the buildings fit in with the historic district and They wanted them to reflect more on other contributors than the museum around the corner or the st. Rose school in the design and they still had Great concern over the demolition of the proposed demolition of the structures And they asked that the applicant work more with the st. Rose neighbors to gain more support They also felt if it is possible to go taller, but the building would need to balance With the historic district The chp also thought the project was a little bit more institutional In character and they suggested adding more detail Detail work as it goes up in height And to break up some flat surfaces The drb generally generally liked the project They wanted more of the character of the keratos center to carry over to the keratos homes Component and they had some They wanted the applicant to explore more ways to provide safety and security for residents And they wanted the two projects to be more connected um in some way To create more cohesion between the two components Um and to add some Lidliness to the homes component of the project These were the renderings that were presented to the chp and drb Here's the center entrance on six and the sixth and morgan street renderings You can see the parking garage on the sixth and morgan street image Here's sixth and a street Seventh and a street sixth and a street would be the center Seventh and a would be the homes component Here's seventh and morgan morgan street This is the boundaries of the saint rose historic preservation district and as you can see the project is at the southern most end of the saint rose historic preservation district And the proposed project includes demolition Of the existing facilities are all structures on the project site These are the two structures that were identified as contributing structures in the eir it's um The single family residents at 520 morgan street And a four plex apartment building at 608 morgan street Both of which were identified as contributors to the saint rose historic preservation district in addition to The eir certifying the eir the project would require an approved major landmark alteration permit to allow For the demolition of the existing structures And for the construction of the new buildings within the saint rose preservation district Staff has received several comment letters and support of the proposed higher density near downtown and transit As well as support for homelessness services and affordable housing components of the project But we also received several Comments concerned about the project And the following um and uh he had comments regarding the following topics The first concern is with the provision of adequate parking and parking impacts to the neighborhood The downtown area specific plan does not require any parking for non-residential uses Therefore, there is no parking requirement for the keratoss center However, the applicant will be providing um 45 spaces when they're only required to provide 25 Um They also the applicant provided a parking study that concluded that based on the standard parking demand rates keratoss homes Would be expected to generate a peak parking demand for 49 parking spaces And the proposed parking supply of 40 54 spaces for the homes component While it does not meet city requirements would exceed the anticipated peak parking demand And the parking study further stated that given the site's proximity to local And regional transit together with the availability of adequate bicycle and pedestrian facilities It is anticipated that the proposed parking supply would be adequate And here is a parking chart So you can see the emergency shelter the number of spaces required by coder 25 and the applicant proposes 45 And for the homes component, they're they're proposing 54 parking spaces The next concern was with the historic value of the neighborhood and the demolition of historic structures And it's true the project involves the demolition of historic resources Resulting any significant and unavoidable impact Mitigation for the loss of these structures would be accomplished through preparation of a salvage report development of interpretive materials documentation of the historic resources And that mitigation would not reduce the impact to a less than significant level The next concern was with biohazardous waste such as needles And the mmrp requires that the applicant ensure that hazardous materials are properly disposed of by residents and visitors by obtaining a home-generated sharps consolidation point permit from the county And they're required to install a sharps kiosk at the project site The other concerns were with traffic and cumulative traffic The city's downtown station area specific plan is intended to create more opportunities for alternative transportation through walking and bicycling And the specific plan area contains a way to develop well developed pedestrian bicycle network and includes smart multi-use path The transportation improvements to affected intersections may include signal signalization or roundabouts that would enhance both vehicle bicycle and pedestrian safety Of which the applicants are required to pay their fair share for those improvements The other concern is with a potential increase in calls for service and public safety One of the unique components of the keratoss center is the project would include a medical service doctor's office That may help reduce the number of calls for service by providing trained medical staff who could respond to minor incidents on site And reduce the number of calls for service for medical needs The city doesn't anticipate that the proposed project would Result in the need for a new police station or fire station Nor the alteration of the exist of the city's existing police or fire stations staff is recommending that the planning that the planning commission by resolutions Certify the eir adopt the findings of fact a statement of overriding considerations Approve a general plan amendment to change the land use designation for a medium density residential and retail business service to transit village mixed use approve a specific plan amendment to include all projects All project parcels within the courthouse square sub area and specify the roundabout diameters And adopt a rezoning for of the project site to tvm hs a And approve a minor use permit for the emergency shelter and approve a tentative map for keratoss village With that I will turn it over to our environmental consultants Thank you, christine. My name is Elena Nuno, and I'm with stand tech consulting services I'm a senior project manager and I was the project manager for the preparation of the Environmental impact report and with me this evening is trevor mesenski our senior principal And we also have uh, daniel herrick our architectural history And i'm going to just briefly run through the introduction of The sequa process and then trevor will be picking up and going into the document in a little more detail so purpose of sequa is To identify disclose and consider the potential environmental impacts of a proposed Of proposed discretionary actions that lead agencies are considering for approval EIRs must be prepared pursuant to sequa guidelines Sequa requires that state and local government agencies consider the environmental Consequences of projects over which they have discretionary authority before acting on those projects and we've provided the public resource code citations there for you Briefly provide you with an overview of where we are at currently with the sequa process So as christine. I mentioned we had the notice of preparation that was issued And the scoping period that began that was uh, january 24th 2019 through february 22nd 2019 We held a scoping meeting on february February 6th 2019 at the round barn and um, we were able to get Uh, quite a few people and we had a lot of good comments and took some of that into consider Took those comments into consideration as we prepared the draft eir The draft eir was um issued for public agency review on november 15th 2019 and It circulated for the statutory required period of 45 days and that comment period ended or that review period ended december 30th 2019 We've prepared the final eir where we responded to comments that were received on the draft eir clarified a few Areas in the eir where we we noted that there were some revisions required to make certain things a little clearer And so you'll see that in the final eir where there's revisions to the draft eir noted um, and that was uh released on february 3rd 2020 and We're here today to present The draft eir to the planning commission take questions and uh, depending on your actions Uh, the decision on the eir would be made on march 3rd 2020 by the city council and With that i will hand it over to trevor Thank you, alina. Uh, my name is trevor mesenski as alina said i'm a Principal with stanta consulting and i oversaw the preparation of this document Excuse me. Can you speak into the microphone? Oh, i'm sorry. Is that better? Yes. Yep. There you go So one thing that i wanted to point out related to this seqa document is that um, it's not that it's uncommon But it's not as normal as you might see so the document which was prepared for this project was a focused eir What that means is that as part of the scoping process We prepared an initial study Which comprehensively looked at all the resource considerations, which are underneath the appendix g checklist criteria And we solicit feedback from the public as to which one should be included into the the actual focus analysis itself As alina mentioned during the public comment period for the scoping We actually received comments from the community which made us revise our approach and we adapted our approach accordingly to add additional resources Back into the analysis to address concerns that the community has raised Those were particularly related to hazards and public services Uh, and the nose of preparation and the initial study were included as appendix a of the eir So, um Given that this is a rather complex project as you can Hear christine went over all the entitlements that are specifically related to that What the eir does is it culminates all those to just start to discern The potential implications that the project will have on the environment to do so we prepared a number of technical studies to support our analysis These were studies that were prepared by the city are and and stand to consulting. They weren't provided by the applicant just to be clear There was an air quality and greenhouse gas analysis that was prepared There was a health risk assessment a biological resources evaluation an archaeological survey report a historic resources report a traffic analysis And a noise analysis and these are standalone technical reports Which are provided as appendixes to the eir in addition to the quantifiable and qualitative analysis presented And the more planning centric sections Okay, so there's a lot of text on here. So let me walk you through it This is uh, this is your eir in one slide What we're trying to convey to you here is simply that The impacts which are listed atop the page of the slide which are also found in table es1 in the draft eir Summarize those which have require mitigation So for air quality the mitigation which was prescribed as common construction control related to air quality mitigation such as Idling times dust control things of that nature Air quality impact three which also required mitigation was specific related to the use And its proximity to the freeway as a result of exposure from health risks from diesel particulate emissions So there's specific filters required for those buildings Bio impact one is a very common Impact resulting in two very common mitigations when you have potential for nesting birds And the second is related to tree tree replanting in accordance with the city's tree ordinance For noise the noise mitigation was normal construction noise mitigation measures related to times of exposure The surrounding land uses following the sea's noise ordinance And construction activity For transportation Because the site is rather constrained as we've talked about on either side with the modifications We prescribe the need to have a construction traffic management plan Which will control the staging and location of the construction activity Lastly the mitigation for hazards Are related to bio bio hazards related to Not only needles or paraphernalia drug paraphernalia that are in the area, but also there was Concern related to the age of the structures for asbestos and lead during the demolition and construction of the project The the item which is of a bit more Depth which are probably the most comprehensive mitigations that are presented in the EIR are related to cultural resources So with that I wanted to give it a little bit more air time here to present to you One is that there's four distinct measures. One is a salvage report This is a a common industry approved approach for trying to determine salvage related to the historic structures The second is a public report documentation also very common Third is interpretive materials and signage associated with the project and how to better represent the the structures which were impacted And the fourth is a compatible design approach We were glad to talk to any of these and dipped and kind of walk you through the analysis Which was presented in the document, but as a Five-minute overview on a few hundred pages. That's what you have before you this evening as part of a environmental impact report When we go through and we prepare the analysis the next step that we have is try to determine How the project's impacts can derive alternatives or how we can identify alternatives which would reduce our project's impacts So the the key thing for you to make reference to here is that the alternatives have to be formulated to reduce One or more of your project impacts. So for example, I couldn't say why have a better use in mind I just want to put a car wash here, right? So the idea is that you have to actually try to reduce an impact which was identified through the analysis In doing so, um, there is an exhaustive list of project alternatives, which were considered not only by the public, but we're Derived not only from the consulting team, but the city as well and in doing so we put together basically Alternatives which were considered and rejected from further consideration through the analysis and those are listed here There the first alternative was an increased density alternative an alternative site location Site redesign. So those were three that which we considered which we determined based on the project objectives And the impacts would not result in a lesser significant impact So the next step through the alternatives consideration is to evaluate alternatives, which would so which ones made the cut first day We're statutorily required to look at something called the no project alternative. So that is included in the analysis There was alternative to which is a site redesign An alternative three which is a partial preservation alternative There's a quick reference table for you Which I would tell you to start with in comparison these and those are on table five dash one Page five pardon me table five one page five dash 19 And it has a comparison of the impacts that would result from the alternatives compared to the proposed action So in in preparing a project that has significant unavoidable impacts Uh, the commission in the city is going to have to make three distinct findings Those findings are subject to our come from our sequo guidelines in our state statute Which require us to make three findings relative to those significant unavoidable impacts I won't read them here, but i'll just wanted to make sure that those findings find their way into something called A statement of overriding considerations. That's why the city has to make those so moving forward with the project and the environmental analysis the statement of overriding considerations the three findings in which you Have to make relative to the significant unavoidable impacts are presented here And they're also presented in the resolution We're happy to clarify any questions related to the environmental analysis or how this process will play out for you this evening and as City staff and elena had mentioned we have our architectural historian here And we're happy to just any other resource questions you may have Now i'll turn the presentation over to the applicant Oh, we have one It's on okay Good evening. I'm len marabella. I'm the executive director of catholic charities And i want to thank you for being here to consider this very important project for the city and and thanks to the planning commission Thanks to the city staff that's worked hard on this program And uh, it's difficult work and i want to acknowledge the work that goes into a project like this Santa rosa as we all know is in a housing homelessness emergency It was declared by the city in 2016 And this emergency affects us all And catholic charities is making progress We know it works getting people into housing as quickly as possible. We permanently housed over 1800 people in the past three years That's good, but that's not good enough More is needed. There are still almost 3 000 people are homeless in sonoma county and these are our neighbors in need For more than 30 years. We've been actively reusing a 104 year old hospital It's a family shelter and a two bedroom home as an engagement center We are limited by our physical resources and facilities The facilities are not designed to do the work we do The buildings are simply worn out They absolutely limit our effectiveness to put people into housing and we can collectively do better Kerry tass village is a unique solution That integrates the elements needed to be a major part of the solution to this homelessness crisis in our community And by the way, kerry tass comes from the latin and means love for all Speaks to our to our mission There are two components of kerry tass villages. We've heard kerry tass center and kerry tass homes And kerry tass center is a family shelter Has children's program planned A doctor's office that addresses both physical and mental health needs Recuperative care for those who are ready to be discharged from a hospital, but they have no home And that's a program that's very strongly supported by our local hospitals A drop-in center to engage those in need of housing and to provide dignity services Most importantly all is focused on one theme permanent supportive housing solutions And we know how to do that We've engaged housing locators to find units for people work with landlords We've engaged housing navigators who work with the clients to be able to find suitable housing and be successful in that The kerry tass homes is the other component We're partnered with burbank housing to provide 126 units of affordable housing And about half of those are dedicated to the homeless people that have been homeless Or a threat of losing their homes and the remainder are for families and individuals with very low income For those who need it case management and stabilization services will be present to ensure success in housing Kerry tass homes directly addresses the shortage of affordable housing in our community Kerry tass village is a unique approach that includes all the necessary components to reduce homelessness It is a major part of the solution for this community Catholic charities and burbank housing are ready to go We have engaged the public in the neighborhood in numerous conversations regarding ongoing services in kerry tass village We have knocked on doors. We've held quarterly neighborhood meetings for many years Sponsored cleanup campaigns and much more This engagement and outreach will continue You have seen that we have schematic drawings done and we are now ready to start construction drawings We have site control Funding for both kerry tass center and kerry tass homes is strong. We've had great support in the community This is urgent Delays in the project jeopardize future funding streams and more importantly Delays our ability to respond to the emergency of people who are experiencing homelessness right now Every day we see the suffering of people on the streets who do not have a home Who do not have health care who do not have services? We want to move to a solution as quickly as possible It's about the people that are in need We request your support for the kerry tass villas project as evaluated by the eir and as recommended by city staff It's time to get it done I would thank you for your time And now I'd like to introduce our architect mike pyotok who will talk briefly about the highlights of our design Good evening members of planning commission Um, I guess I'll have to tell you folks to move it forward because I don't have a An advance or or can I do it myself? we Okay, next slide As staff has showed you if we go to the next slide, please It's not working. We're okay. I see you're showing two at a time It's the nature of the demonstration. Okay, if we can go back one slide then Yeah Um as staff has well presented already The the project really has two parts the parent housing which is on the north end of the site And then the kerry tass service center, which is on the south end of the site And the kerry tass home is being a two to four story building being the largest in the neighbor in the in the development We thought it would be important to relate it to the two large buildings that are already in the neighborhood st Rose and the museum The kerry tass center is just relating to the parking garages across the street, which really have not much architectural value next Next please Please Yeah On the left hand side the primary entrances into the facility to the north the the housing is from 7th street And then to the center of the family shelter enters from the right side on a street The main entrance is from 6th street at the center And then the day center is in the lower left corner at the intersection of morgan and Sixth we did the obligatory shadow studies We found that none of the shadows really cast very far Into the adjacent properties except on the shortest day of the year Early in the morning as do all the buildings and houses in the neighborhood cast shadows and everybody else But we had no shadow impacts on the surrounding neighboring homes Next the images on the left of the kerry tass center We try to show on the lower right image of the left hand cluster is the intersection of sixth and a It's activated by the families living above and the classrooms that are down below at the corner with some offices at the at the joint so that The there's a fair amount of street life there and eyes on the street On the left hand side You see the service center and the day center on the far left And the courtyard entry point for the folks who use the day center The upper two images on the right hand side of them That's the main facade along sixth street with the main entrance We've tried to give expression to each of the pieces of the program in a more playful inviting way But using natural tones that make it compatible with the area on the right hand side the housing In that lower right on morgan street You can see that we do go to fourth stories and we kept that more to the southern end nearest to the kerry tass center And the image directly above it and to the left of it. You could see that along seventh street We have only two-story townhouses More in character with the neighborhood And then set back from that is the four-story Apartment building beyond and as I said earlier These are meant to be contemporary cousins of the grander buildings that are presently in the neighborhood the saint rose and The museum the other two images on the top right are of the muse the former alley will be converted into A muse for the residents to enjoy Next And then finally one of the most important features of the development is the landscape And we're doing everything we can to draw the landscape up onto and in front every part of the architecture particularly flowering vines the colorful nature of the of nature Sends an important message to everyone in the neighborhood particularly to the homeless that this is an inviting place So that the image is on the right. It's a little hard to see because they're now smaller because they're two per Screen But there's a dotted line all across the ground floor facades Demonstrating that through trellises and green screens and other devices will be bringing the landscape up onto the building Both green and the colorful flowers that they will spawn And that's basically my quick Urban design overview if there are any questions we can go into further detail I have some images of the floor plans if you're interested in how the ground floor relates to the surrounding streets Good evening planning commissioners. My name is rebecca kendall And i'm the chief development officer with catholic charities And i've had the honor of working on this project for the last five years and have been part of the agency for about 12 years and I wanted to speak specifically to why time is so important to us in this project As you know caritas village includes the homes and the center And my colleague mark krug will be speaking about the homes after me But I wanted to talk about the funding streams for caritas center We've got three primary funding streams a capital campaign new market tax credits and public funding And I wanted to share some details about that funding that could in some ways be jeopardized by even a small delay in this process Regarding funds that we've already received. I am very Grateful to share that we have um over 125 people in the community have donated over 21.4 million dollars to this project And our capital campaign goal is 26 million and I want to Extend a special thank you to our campaign co-chairs who are here in the room today Vic trioni and greg steele. We're very grateful for their leadership it's one of the largest capital campaigns in sonoa county history And certainly the largest single effort to house people experiencing homelessness And these funds were donated to respond to the massive housing and homelessness crisis that we have which was Obviously exacerbated by the 2017 wildfires And one of our largest gifts is a two million dollar gift from the finley foundation and that gift requires that we begin construction in early 2021 And so that is one time component and then with regard to funds that we're still seeking Some even again even minor delays Could result in some pretty major losses of funding that frankly is already very rare and difficult to obtain For example in early march Both catholic charities and bourbon housing are applying to the federal home loan bank ahp Program and catholic charities is sponsored by a local bank luther bourbon savings And we're going to be applying for up to a million dollars in funding And that application is due march 9th. It's an extremely competitive grant Just a few points can make the difference between an award or no award and points are awarded For project readiness. It's taken into consideration So any progress that we can make in obtaining approvals will strengthen our application and frankly increase the likelihood that we're awarded In june, we're also planning to apply to a major national foundation for over a million dollars in funding Probably 1.5 million that will require us to have a signed construction contract And if our entitlements are delayed, it'll make it unlikely that we'll be awarded in time to break ground and that Could force us to take out some some loans that would be up against an uncertain source And in july we're applying to the state of california for infill infrastructure funding That also requires building permits at the time of application. So delays in this process could knock us out of the running for that million dollar potential And additionally, uh, you know as a fundraiser i speak with many donors and A number of them have indicated to me that they're really waiting for the project to be entitled Before they're willing to make a commitment to this project And frankly, it's important that we move quickly in the face of an uncertain economy and uh, and also with the worthy and Wonderful other projects in the community that are constantly seeking capital funds just like we are So we we feel a great sense of urgency in wanting to complete our capital campaign And finally we're in the uh, we're strong contenders for about seven and a half million dollars in new market tax credits Which represents about 25 of the cost of construction for this project And these are unique funds that are highly competitive and only offered once per year And if delayed entitlements push our project scheduled back We will lose these funds for another year and potentially have to put the whole project on hold while we wait to reapply And those are, uh, that's a critical level of funding for the project. Certainly. There's no question um, obviously most importantly what's The urgency really comes from doing what's right for our fellow humans who are suffering We know the city of san rosa has declared us declared a state of emergency We know homelessness and housing are the number one issues for voters for voters across the city and the county And karytas village. I truly feel and have had the privilege of experiencing. It's not just a catholic charities project It's not just a bourbon housing project. The community is asking for this and pulling us We've been feeling that all along and we ask you to please recommend approval for the project and I want to turn it over now to mark krug from bourbon housing chair Cisco commissioners, uh, thank you for the opportunity to address you this evening. Again, my name is mark krug with bourbon housing I'm going to keep my comments pretty limited to a narrow subject Which is the financing of affordable housing permanent affordable housing rental housing and specifically Phase one karytas homes rather than both phases and just by way of background Every affordable rental housing project except very small ones. It gets built anywhere in the nation takes advantage of One of two kinds of low-income housing tax credits federal tax credits The first kind is so called four percent tax credits And those would generally produce financing for roughly a third of the project total cost The second kind of tax credit is nine so called nine percent tax credit Those will Generate funding for about two-thirds of your total development costs And so either way you're left with a gap to fill and typically almost exclusively Agencies like burbank look to get five or six or seven Wards from public agencies state agencies local government to fill that gap I read an article a couple weeks ago that a typical amount of funding awards to get an affordable rental housing project done Was six and that rings true. So we have a lot of different funding sources to try to chase down What I wanted you to hear tonight is there's a couple of really kind of once in an Once in a lifetime opportunities coming up with funding to have timelines that as uh, rebecca was saying are really Are such that we really want to expedite this project So we don't miss these opportunities The most important of those two I want to touch on quickly and they're related to disaster relief funding in the first case There's uh in the federal Budget the current fiscal year federal budget is a one billion be Billion not million one billion dollars in nine percent tax credits earmarked only for california and only those communities in california that were impacted by 2017 and 2018 disasters, so it's an extraordinary amount of money and the the program guidelines have yet to be published We're actually expecting many days So don't have a lot of details about the selection process But we know because all of Sonoma county is included in those Eligible reasons that we're going to be very competitive locally for that billion And I wanted to put that dollar amount in a context because I know it's a big number But it's also a big state But when we're when burbank is applying or looking to get nine percent tax credits the highly competitive tax credits in the normal year year operations We compete in a region that's made up of six counties, Solano Shasta, Napa, Marin I forgot a couple but a bunch of local counties in the couple further north And there's typically in a given year 20 to maybe 30 million dollars in tax credits for that's six those six counties put together Which means at most there will be two projects awarded across six counties in any given year because of the 20 to 30 million dollars So contrast that to a billion dollars in tax credits is really extraordinary I mentioned that the Guidelines are not yes published, but we do know a couple things about this One is that there'll be four rounds of competition Spring summer this year spring summer next year and that's it So there's a kind of a limited window to try to chase down these once in a lifetime tax credits And unless the state It's their federal tax credits, but they're operated by the state unless the rules change Uh, if we're awarded tax credits and we accept that award Then we have six months to initiate Um construction and if we miss that we a lose the tax credit award and b if burbank was the applicant We would have we'd be in a penalty box for a year or maybe it's two years In other words in future funding competitions, we'd have to take negative points So it's a very serious matter to apply for those tax credits and be able to get in the ground in within six months Of accepting the award The second funding source. I want to talk about that's also federal disaster related Is a program administered by HUD Been around since the the core programs have been around since nixon was president and that's the community development block grant program Or cdbg The city and the county and the city of petaluma receive pretty modest amounts these days every single year But because of the federally declared disasters of the last few years There's going to be a special award of 30 about 38 million dollars For projects their rental housing affordable multifamily projects in the city limits of santa rosa So that 38 million is going to go just to that small category of projects and caritas homes fits in rather perfectly That program is being administered rather than directly by the city It's being administered by the state working with the city and again, we're waiting for you know some details But we expect the application Window for that 38 million dollars to be I think in the next 60 to 90 days As far as I don't as far as I know I'm not sure if there's one or two funding rounds, but either way There's you can be roughly, you know this one year opportunity to get what would be Rough numbers 10 or 10 times or so what the city would typically have in a given year So it's an extraordinary a second extraordinary funding opportunity with with tight deadlines Two more real quick these are you know Funding programs that we're seeking to close the gap and and get caritas homes phase one built There's a program run at the state level called mhp, which stands for multifamily housing program It's bond funded their taxpayers approved of 1.5 billion dollars in bonds. I believe in 2018 So that program it will be winding down next year because the bond proceeds That make up that program will be spent probably in the next year So there's another opportunity that could very old fade away in a year or so And then lastly, uh, rebecca mentioned the federal home loan bank of san francisco ahp affordable housing program Um, we also will choose We also try to get funds from that program and that has an An application period only once a year in in february or march So if we can't make this round as rebecca said, we have to wait a whole nother year So i'm not going to go into More there's a few other funding programs that we're looking at but I wanted to have you have the benefit of the information That there's some kind of once in a lifetimes Opportunities that we're looking at with short windows And so that's why we're so concerned about the timeline for this project And thank you for your your time and attention And I think the last speaker is genuine homes from catheterities Good afternoon commissioners well be second to last But uh, we are as we are kind of winding down Our presentation I just wanted to give a little bit more context and and understand we've had the privilege of getting to meet with Each and every one of you and certainly understand the decision that lays before you And just kind of give a little bit more context about how we got here and and why this project is so important Not just to what we're hoping to accomplish But how it will really impact our entire community Especially on this very real crisis that Sonoma county is the state of california and the nation are facing when it comes to homelessness You know in sonoma county. We have actually moved the needle on homelessness We reduced homelessness by over 31 percent over the last several years and catheteries alone last year was mentioned earlier How 650 people with over 1800 people in the last three years Those are incredibly powerful numbers and it's not enough Caritas village would not only let us do what we've done and learned and the lessons we've learned It could potentially help us double those numbers really making the dent on the issue of homelessness That our community has been asking for and we've been trying to do with the limitations that surround us in our current facilities And in one example of a project that we did which I think is probably one of the most Impactful things we've done in sonoma county so far to move the needle on homelessness Is the palms in and much of the components that we have done At the palms in we're asking we're looking at replicating here at caritas village And there's some really valuable statistics and evidence that have come from that project For example in the first six months the residents who were living at that facility We saw a 77 reduction in law enforcement interactions among the population of 56 reduction in ambulance Transportation's and a 45 percent reduction in inpatient hospitalizations and this was for our community's most vulnerable individuals Additionally in that first year of the project We saw a 23 reduction in veterans homelessness a 20 percent reduction in chronic homelessness and a 16 percent reduction in homelessness in santa rosa So we know Things that work and when we put people in supportive housing with on-site supportive services We know that people can actually be housed Stay housed and we can mitigate the negative impacts on the community when it comes to This issue and caritas village is exactly what we're trying to do is to bring the on-site Supportive services through the center coupled with the expansive housing that burbank is going to be leading And really duplicate the efforts and magnify it on a whole new scale for our community I just want to talk quickly about also the when we started this journey several years ago It was really important for us to engage the surrounding community and the neighborhood And just want to highlight a little bit of the efforts we've been able to accomplish in that arena So just a couple of things is we try to go above and beyond just even the required community outreach that this kind of project Asks of us So we've done things like have held over seven neighborhood what we call knocking door days Where we went and talked to neighbors knocked on the doors and we talked to over 200 people over those seven sessions We also had six neighborhood cleanup days where our volunteers came together and did cleanups in our surrounding neighborhood We had weekly coffee chats where both Burbank housing and catholic charities were available to just listen and talk and engage with people who had questions about the project And we had over nine neighborhood meetings over a period The last couple of years including four that we Adding four that we also hosted in both the west end and in the st. Rose district So we all know that this is a crisis We just saw this crisis unfold on the Joe Rudotta trail And one thing that was very astounding about that crisis in and of itself was that Population was only seven percent of our entire county's homeless population So when we talk about homelessness as an emergency We need to really understand that that was a very small amount of all of the human suffering that are is being faced in our community And when I talk about homelessness as an emergency what I mean Is that 50 of people who are living on shelter have a physical health issue a mental health issue and a substance abuse issue all at one time And over 90 of the women who are experiencing homelessness Will face some sort of sexual assault in their time living on the streets And the most astounding is that people who are experiencing homelessness are three to four times more likely to die prematurely Than people who are housed So when we talk about it as emergency those are the real statistics and the people that we see living out on our community So for us any sort of delay really translates into The people that are living in our community that we are trying to serve and we're trying to get to Living unnecessarily on the streets even longer And so we that's part of why we have put together and worked so closely on trying to streamline everything we can do To make this project work in the ways that we've learned the lessons of impactful homeless services over the years And I would say that this is probably the number one thing that the community and our city and at our county level Is saying we need an answer and this is the answer caritas village is the answer in our minds I've been doing this work for over a decade and I feel extremely confident the project design around how we support these individuals through this project Is going to double our efforts around ending homelessness in our community So with that i'm gonna let miss wallace kind of conclude and give a few brief statements I know we're kind of getting to the point where we're going to move to the next part. So thank you Good evening. My name is tina wallace legal counsel for the two applicants bourbon housing and catholic charities We wanted to thank you the commissioners from your disclosures at the beginning of the meeting We appreciate that you've spent a great deal of time Talking to staff talking to neighbors and listening to the applicants And as you've heard from the applicants tonight In detail there is an emergency situation for our community. There are exigent circumstances And there are extraordinary once in a lifetime funding opportunities All of these things benefit our community. They benefit the project and they benefit the applicants We therefore in light of the time pressures that the applicants are experiencing and the emergencies that are present every day in our community We ask that you make your recommendation on this project Tonight and that there be no delays that could hamper this project We hope that after you carefully consider all of the materials that are before you The staff testimony our presentation and public comments that you will recommend approval of the project As was set forth in the staff report However, if you are unable to reach that conclusion And four of you are unable to recommend approval of this project tonight to the city council We respectfully request that you Deny the project and again that that decision be made tonight And we say that with great appreciation for all of the hard work that everyone has put into this project in closing We do have quite a large crowd here tonight So what i'm going to do is in lieu of having everyone who is supporting the project and the audience speak tonight I'm going to read a list of names And that would be in lieu of those people speaking for three minutes each So if you're in the audience, please listen carefully. And if I call your name If you could just let the uh chair know that you don't need to speak because your name has been read I think that would be appreciated Going to require a different pair of glasses Oh So apparently some of these folks will be speaking tonight just to be clear But i'll go through the list of names and again in an effort to expedite the hearing and not have all of our supporters speak for three minutes um The first supporter is alex hartman Anna jean Ann paneno audrey shell Beth ryan Betsy tim Kathy trioni That's et phoning home katie flowers chris graybill connie kinesen bruce kinesen sindy yoxal dale flowers denis rosati dorine van lewin lewin eddie denin emily theson and terry theson fred wiele or wiley jicina aguiere greg steel hunter solio s o i l e a u joe tembrock julia peranto kathleen johnson lissette sual lia benz lina hoffman linda setterholm maggie Fitzgerald Marianne etchel allen mary finne mary heaney michelle osman melinda mesayo nancy moran natalie trim oren theson rickard mac richard mackintosh rosalie solgie shea russell deeter judy deeter saskia garcia sharon van huvel susan haze tony abraham trey tyler hayden victrione willard richards mike solivan johanna james jonathan so edden eden trainer dorothy beady lisa anderson and jennifer finn i apologize if i left your name off this list it was purely an accident and if i mispronounced your name but thank you for your support and thank you to the commission for your consideration we do urge you to approve approval of the project as it was set forth in the staff report and to do so tonight thank you thank you and that concludes the the applicant's presentation okay and um as mr. rose said i'm gonna ask the we just hold our questions until after the public hearing here so uh this is a public hearing tonight if you've been here before you've heard me say all of this before so please indulge me again i'll be calling your name in order of the cards received you will have three minutes to speak move to one of the podiums i will call the first name i will also call the second name and begin to queue up so that we're not waiting a long period of time for people to move from their seats to to the microphone that just kind of keeps things moving right along you as miss wallace said if you uh hear something that uh somebody is saying that you agree with and you don't and your card is in here and you don't choose to speak when i call your name you can just let me know you choose not to speak and um and that you agree with the prior speakers uh i request that there are no audibles um definitely if you agree with something that a speaker says please raise your hand we can see that we can see that you know where the consensus is in agreement of what's being said if you don't agree with something please don't boo you can put a thumbs down but no audibles that uh interrupt our process here um we'll go ahead and and have the the public hearing we're up here carefully listening to you i'm recording the questions and concerns and at the conclusion of the public hearing we'll have staff the applicant respond to those concerns and those questions before we get to our questions once the the public hearing is closed again please don't or if you hear somebody speaking to to to an a subject please don't call out any other questions again wait till you're at the microphone and at the conclusion of the public hearing um no callouts as we're answering questions if you think of something else please just let us do our process and listen because probably whatever question might pop up we'll get answered in the course of our process here um i don't know that anybody has asked for that but i also don't allow people to see their three minutes to another speaker so i'll call your card and um you get to speak but you don't get to go i want to give my time to that former speaker so that they have six minutes and don't allow that so i think that concludes all my rules and regulations appreciate your uh tolerance for that and um so i'm going to go ahead and open the public hearing tonight and we're going to begin with peter rumble followed by ananda suite followed by dwayne duit good evening commissioners peter rumble from the senator was a metro chamber uh appreciate your time appreciate your consideration of this important project as you know and as you've heard homelessness in the housing crisis have significant negative impacts on our local economy and our businesses not to mention the individuals uh dealing with homelessness the chamber recognizes the need for housing with wraparound services for those experiencing homelessness is a crucial piece of our community challenge and caritas village will double the number of people who find permanent housing each year and help alleviate the homelessness and housing crisis in our city and in our county making sure that our neighbors across the economic spectrum have a permanent affordable home is good for santa rosa good for sinoma county good for business and again good for that individual the righteousness of this project frankly uh is not in question and the thing is in terms uh we all know what the solution is to our housing crisis we all know what the solution is to homelessness it's only when the question of implementing these solutions is called do we end up in contested hearings uh and debates and that isn't to say that we shouldn't have an open and frank conversation about things we shouldn't disrespect we should honor people that we disagree with and that isn't to suggest that people who have a different opinion than mine are bad or uninformed i can assure you that i'm generally the slowest guy in the room most of the time but there always will be a reason to vote no particularly if it means change the change contemplated by this project in my opinion is someone who lives and works not far away uh in no way diminishes from the sense of the historic area indeed the change brought by this project enhances the physical condition of the area and of course that is additive to the fact that the project will change the lives of hundreds of our fellow community members uh i'm an optimist and the quality uh in me continues to believe that we'll move forward to the solutions that we know are needed and that we know are righteous i'm certainly bolstered by a stash recommendation to approve the project and i encourage you to keep this project moving forward for the benefit of all of our residents for all of our businesses for our city and our county and hopefully keep me an optimist thank you thank you mr rumble and i did um forget to indicate that when you're up there you can watch the timer is moving along it will show you how much time you have left i'm a very strict timekeeper so when it gets to the buzzer that's it so really kind of pay attention to that and understand that um i will stop you at the end of three minutes okay next is ananda suite followed by dwayne duit followed by terry knoll good evening commissioners my name is ananda suite i'm the vice president of public policy and workforce development for the santa rosa metro chamber um housing homelessness in the housing crisis are having significant negative impacts on the economy and our local businesses as peter just said the santa rosa metro chamber supports policies and and projects that bring wraparound services and programs to the solutions in addition to the human toll on those experiencing homelessness in our community and the emotional toll and all of our citizens and this type of project just being the right thing to do homelessness is a significant drain on our local economy it impacts tourism and employee recruitment it impacts local retailers it needlessly strains vital law enforcement services and a virtual emergency response resources and it places an extreme burden on our healthcare network keratoss village's inclusion of on-site medical care will reduce that burden and cost to existing emergency rooms clinics and ambulance transports in terms of neighborhood impact the project offers significant improvement to the existing site and research demonstrates that permanent supportive housing not only restores the lives of homeless individuals and is a highly cost effective but can also lead to steadier growth in property values for nearby residences the county and city are facing real economic challenges as a community we're not in a position to turn away real opportunities for action catholic charities and burbank housing are two organizations with expertise and a proven track record of successfully implementing solutions to homelessness and the housing crisis there is a significant cost to doing nothing and a significant cost to letting an opportunity like keratoss village pass us by i urge you to support keratoss village and the lasting improvements it will make to our community thank you thank you dwayne duit followed by terry null followed by daniel wine seg not seeing mr. duit okay so terry null followed by daniel wine seg and just state your name for the record to start please daniel windsvig with the snowman intersections coalition okay all right we all agree that our community needs more housing and must do more for our neighbors experiencing homelessness and who are precariously housed keratoss village is a project we needed a decade ago we needed ever more today and we can no longer delay debate or deliberate the nuances of vital projects that will address the dire needs of our community that are growing daily this project will help hundreds of our neighbors begin their journey towards health and contribution at the individual level and the community level i'm strongly in favor of this project and appreciate the collaboration of these two significant service providers as they work together to address the health and housing needs of our community i'd like to thank everyone who has come out here tonight to participate in this decision and i also want to recognize those who aren't here tonight whom we haven't heard too much from and those are the folks that are going to benefit most from this project this project's going to impact us all but none as profoundly as those whom we are not hearing much from in these processes most of us have the privilege of stable homes and we thus have the ability to respond to the community issues before us our ability to respond is a responsibility to those who do not share this privilege our neighbors without stable homes lack them for a myriad of reasons and have a myriad of needs to get them housed and in good health regardless of their situations we owe it to our precariously housed neighbors to create more options and opportunities to heal recover and find stable dignity affirming places like caritas village will be to call home i urge you to support this project thank you great thank you lisa landress followed by denis rosati followed by chris gravel hi that was a very nice rollout everybody did it looks like a beautiful project i'm sorry it has to be so tall in that historic neighborhood but that's all by the wayside my only concern moving forward is i've driven that block at the behest of many many residents of that area and the lack of monitoring and the lack of upholding of their conditional use permit at the navigation site at 600 morgan street has really been disturbing i'm up to 21 days driving and i haven't driven one day where they weren't in infraction in that so i love the i love the project i don't like the managerial stewardship that's going on at 600 morgan street there is a massive amount of concerns there and there's lots of documented footage of it so in moving forward i would like that to be a consideration that that use permit be tightened up because the one that's on record for them now only sites that they need to have one person to manage hundreds of people and i could tell it's a five-person job on any given day i've waited 10 minutes for people to just stop blocking my car at there i have video footage of it i have still photos as do other family members and residents i don't live there but i started driving there because so many people weren't getting action on their complaints on it so i love the building i love housing for people but i do not love the stewardship that's going on there with the clientele in the navigation part thanks thank you denise rosati followed by chris grable followed by scott johnson hi thank you madam chair members of the commission my name is denise rosetti i'm representing myself here today but also speaking to some legacy i left behind i had the opportunity to work on the downtown station area plan whenever it was going through the city process um and worked with literally spent hundreds of hours on that project worked with hundreds of citizens here in santa rosa and residents and i was just reflecting that it was about 13 years ago that we approved that project here in this very room and sometimes we make plans we're really good at making plans and it takes a long time to implement them but i was going through the staff report the last couple days and i got a little teary-eyed thinking about this change to transit density mixed use etc and this is i think this is the exact kind of thing that the city needs i think it's a great project it fills so many of the needs that are in the community checks a lot of boxes with the affordable housing obviously being a huge part of what our advocacy was in that station area plan work lead gold for the project i had the opportunity to serve the city on the santa rosa green building advisory committee and this level of environmental design was exactly what we were thinking about and had in mind when we were going through that process as a community there's a plan out there somewhere on the shelf you could dust off and check it out the station area plan called for parking to be unbundled and promoted transit use and bike and pedestrian orientation you're seeing that here in your proposal before you and then finally i just say there's so much community support for this project i've heard a lot about it i've toured the site myself i think they just done a really standout job and reaching out to the community 21 million raised from the community big known donor names trioni i know the jackson family winds are also a donor and it's obviously filling a need and hitting the pulse in our community so thank you so much for your consideration and i would just encourage you to say yes to this project and and see the implementation of our downtown station area plan thank you thank you next is chris gray bill followed by scott johnson followed by oran decent good evening chair sisco and vice chair weeks and members of the planning commission um first i just wanted to express gratitude that we have a project like this uh that's big enough to actually make a difference i think it's it's the first big thing and we need a lot more of these big things but it it's i think the first thing that would really really accept the challenge and says you know what we can't just do a little bit here we can't do a little bit here we've been failing for years really addressing this issue and homelessness and and precariously housed folks and i just wanted to show gratitude that we're even at this point where we're making a decision about something that actually meets that that need with with some courage and leadership i just came from los guilicos village where i i'm i'm on the site team and a number of the folks behind you on the wall are currently residents of los guilicos village they're going to need somewhere to live it's a temporary site we hope that it will be less temporary than april thirtieth however there needs to be permanent homes for these folks and they're right behind you and i encourage you to look at their faces before you vote tonight um the last thing i wanted to say is i hope you understand the the urgency i think you do but in in the position you're in i think it's it's rare that this is the case but it really is a make or break of being able to get this project across the finish line through feasibility given that the funding availability of these tax credits that we know are necessary to build these projects these nine percent tax credits especially the disaster the disaster tax credits that have been promised to us that a lot of us have been fighting to keep in sonoma county and in fire affected communities it's really critical that we recognize the urgency and the fact that it's a make or break we there's a lot of you know perfect before the good that happens um in planning process but i think we really need to recognize the dire urgency and commitment encourage this required to just move this forward so that it can even have a chance at that level of funding that we have never seen in this community that can really make a huge difference and do something uh worthwhile and and again big enough to actually make a difference so thank you thank you scott johnson followed by oren thieson uh good evening planning mission my name is alex hartman and i'll be reading on the behalf of scott johnson in his words i'm a business owner at six w nine street and a homeowner not far away on clover drive homelessness is a critical issue in our community one that is terminally underserved by public and private efforts one of the reasons it's underserved is because of the difficulty involved in getting any additional services approved anywhere in the city in this case protecting historic resources seems to be the most likely palatable reason to deny yet another project designed to help our most at-risk citizens protection for historic resources gain ground during the large-scale quote urban renewal ethos of the fifties and sixties at the time there was a crisis of whole-scale destruction of historic buildings and neighborhoods though the the protections that were enacted were largely successful however that crisis has passed and we are faced with an even greater crisis the crisis of housing affordability and homelessness a tool which helps solve one crisis is now being used to exacerbate another caritas village is well designed for its purpose well situated for those who need it and the services it will provide are long overdue to deny this project continues the pattern of doing nothing at hope things won't prove now we as a community need this project as a longtime member of this community and a business owner in the neighborhood i am fully committed supporter of this project scott johnson thank you great thank you uh next is oran theson followed by jan kuzman followed by vic trioni well hi um i've been developing and designing around sonoma county for 45 years and i've done a lot of historic restorations and we won awards from sonoma county historical site and west county's historical site we also build the smart growth projects and our winter town green uh ran a went a a bag award for smart growth um i took the time to study this project and walk the neighborhood and take a took a look at the old houses and the old buildings there and i they're not really worth restoring or saving and i don't think they're worth moving either uh and i studied this project and the location this is it rose to the big city and this is downtown it needs big buildings high density and smart growth and this is a really well designed smart growth project and um i just hope the planning commission can move this song as fast as they can because we really need it thank you thank you uh jan kuzman followed by vic trioni followed by rovin cleaves good evening my name is cindy oxal and i'm here to read on behalf of jan kuzman kuzmar and her husband david we regret we cannot attend this meeting in person but we will both have work obligations during this time we have been living at the little house on the corner of seventh and a for nearly six years we love living in close proximity to downtown santa rosa and enjoy being able to go out to dinner happy hour or a movie without having to get in a car living across the intersection from catholic charities we have seen from a short distance the number of people that they serve with many more in need sleeping in their cars or on the streets nearby we are grateful for the leadership that catholic charities has taken in helping families and individuals in need but there is clearly so much more work to do we have witnessed firsthand the limitations of their current facilities which are outdated and no longer work well to provide services to those in need we have seen children getting ready for school outside on frigid mornings sleeping in a vehicle because there was not room at the current location to house them or their parents we support the caritas village project because it will allow catholic charities to help twice as many people find a place to call home this new facility will provide increased privacy for those seeking services as well as improved safety and security for staff neighbors and the community the end result will be that more people are permanently housed and provided desperately needed services as neighbors to the project we look forward to additional benefits including improved pedestrian safety with improved sidewalks and safety lighting i urge you to support this vital project our county city and neighborhoods are facing real crisis of homelessness and housing caritas village is a worthwhile step towards improving quality of life for all sincerely jennifer kuzmar great thank you thank you victrioni followed by robin cleves followed by robin stafani good afternoon i spent many hours in front of the commission here 45 years ago that's when i had hair and and i was involved in for-profit housing projects but since i've since then i've seen the light as rebecca mentioned greg and i are the co-campaign chairs of of this project the raising funds and it was kicked off right after right after the fires of 17 where we had a five million dollar lead gift from tipping point with tipping point raised funds in san francisco through a number of uh or rehearsals of a number of music events and we were very fortunate when they came and saw a caritas that they were uh really interested and had a lot of support and that kicked us off so we have raised as rebecca said about 22 million we're about 82 percent of our goal and and i'm very confident we'll reach that we'll be coming out shortly with a grassroots campaign with with the support of our of the people in the community we've received uh 10 uh seven figure requests uh from different organizations and individuals and including the memorial hospital and kaiser permement day and we're working on the third hospital as we speak uh caritas is a is a one-stop shop uh it provides it as rebecca said it's not just providing home but it's it's planning home uh over the last three years about 650 individuals have been placed every year in housing through the uh through the catholic charities and this will be focused in in caritas uh santa rosa community health clinic will uh will drive the clinic that will be there and will have the um uh a facility there that will take people that come out of hospitals into in the nightingale program that when they released from a homeless person released from the hospital it has no place to go they go back on the street they were back in the emergency room this is the facility they will get them uh ready to find out to find a home and to live a normal life so i think the i've given a number of um of tours over the last two years and i think the most uh the best thing is when people see the family support center and the compelling need that we have and it was it was right in the press democrat today the picture of the the young mother and the two children they had no place to go caritas will provide that i'm very passionate about this and i i firmly believe that this project will move the needle and thank you for your comments uh robin cleves followed by robin stifani followed by dale flowers good evening my name is lissette sull and i will be reading on behalf of robin cleves who cannot be here today unfortunately hello i'm robin cleves and i give permission to lissette to read my letter i have lived at 730 morgan street since 2015 it is one of the homes on the st roes preservation district's walking tour it is a queen and cottage and is called the john schroeder house and was built between 1904 and 1907 i moved into this house sight unseen from washington state because of its charm being right along the freeway and very close to several shelters the neighborhood has its challenges but i love living here as an emergency room registered nurse working at kaiser permanente in san aroza i care for many homeless people regularly they're individuals with stories and burdens they're all someone's sister brother daughter son mother father i treat them all with compassion because they are human beings deserving of respect it is easy to label them the homeless problem but this takes away the humanity of those that struggle to get through life compassion is a strength that allows us to understand others and see that we are more alike than different as a registered nurse i want to help those in need and that is what catholic charities and caritas village will do catholic charities helps people due to catholic charities current facilities their resources are limited this new facility will allow catholic charities to house and help so many more people in contrary to some opinions i do not believe caritas village will increase the amount of people in need of help to congregate in the neighborhood with the larger facility people will not need to hang out in the streets as they will be accommodated within the building itself catholic charities is the embodiment of compassion they see others suffering and are motivated to relieve that suffering they need this caritas village in order to do so i fully support this as a registered nurse and a longtime member of this neighborhood thank you thank you next is robin stafani failed followed by dale flowers followed by eddie d good afternoon my name is robin stafani and i live on west sixth street and my business is located on west ninth street essentially bookending the west end neighborhood i moved to the west end in 2007 with my family looking for a place where i could build a future for my family in a livable walkable downtown neighborhood and i've definitely found that in the west end i'm here to support the caritas village and i echo a lot of the reasons that you've heard tonight all all great points and why we need to do this and why it's the right project but i thought i'd also share a story a personal story so when i moved to the west end my younger daughter and i were driving past the mission and we saw the line outside to get in and my daughter said look mom a concert and i said uh no honey that's the line to get into the homeless shelter and she said homeless shelter what's the homeless shelter and i said well that's a place that you can go if you don't have a home and you can go in and you can you can stay there and as i looked in the rear view mirror i could see the gears turning in her head and she said i love my new neighborhood and it really it made me proud frankly that that was the impression that she had of of that um fast forward 13 years and now i have another young child um and when we uh drive through walk down our our streets in our neighborhood which we often do um she commented to me mommy we should not be letting this happen when when i explained to her why people were living on the street um and uh she said i think everyone should have a home at which point i said me too and i want to share that story because i think that it really embodies the hope that our family feels for our neighborhood and our community and we see the caritas village as something that will help solve the problem and be a step in the right direction and possibly create more energy and almost a renaissance to our neighborhood in support and solving the problem and i can't wait to take her to the groundbreaking or one of the activities that happened to show her how we as the leaders in our community can work to solve these complicated projects um i understand the concerns i live them day in and day out however my concerns are are deeper for our neighbors that are in need and deeper for the legacy that i want to leave for the future so please support caritas village please do it now thank you thank you mr. finally next is dale flowers followed by eddie d followed by rosalie looks like sul bit shea good evening commissioners my name is dale flowers i serve as pastor of first presbyterian church the fourth oldest church in this city organized in 1855 our faith community cares about the history of who we are we belong to the mcdonald historic district as well as where we live we also care deeply about the 3000 neighbors who are without home or shelter our community of 700 members and friends are personally invested to help address the life needs of some of the most vulnerable members of our community we give financially and serve as volunteers with catholic charities we partner with this organization for three reasons we share a similar value and conviction that people matter and it is important that we address their personal worth with dignity secondly their approach to address the challenge of homelessness is done on a strategic level they work for long-term solutions while not overlooking the immediate need of each individual and third they offer a comprehensive approach rather than a band-aid fix to help people thrive and live better just two weeks ago i received a letter from um from susan goren chair of sonoma county supervisors asking for my assistance as a community leader to address the homelessness crisis by finding suitable sites for housing and shelter of these citizens the ideal type of property that they listed included five criteria i won't read them to you because you're well aware of them and this project meets five i mean meets um they they listed six and it meets five of the six the only one it doesn't meet is ready for immediate occupancy so for this reason we who support the construction of caritas village think it is just such a site and and it is our hope that you will give your approval thank you thank you eddie d followed by rosalie silviate shea followed by lina hoffman good evening my name is eddie i'm here to speak on the behalf of catholic charities as one of the regular volunteers and a former participant in their programs before i began i respectfully request that i not be videotaped and audio recording is fine catholic charities has been a part of mine of my life for over a decade they've been there for me each time i needed them and i love giving back to them every week as i volunteer i can't tell you how much catholic charities has done for me i was a victim of a very brutal attempted murder my my life has changed forever i found myself at the lowest point of my life i became a resident at sam jones hall where i worked alongside the staff to rebuild my life at a time when i had burned most of my bridges and had no one who cared about me they respected me in a way that made me feel special again in addition to the basic necessities like a roof over my head and food on the table they gave me my self-confidence back they helped me rebuild my credit and apply for jobs i had bad teeth i was so embarrassed that i never smiled catholic charities arranged for a dentist to fix my teeth now i volunteer every week at 600 morgan street where we fight to help our homeless neighbors restore their dignity in a way housing brings housing brings it's hard it's hard work and the men and women seeking care at 600 morgan street are looking to do more than than survive they are coming to catholic charities just as i did they want a new and better life but the current facility is failing it is so hard to do the work we we need to do and do it well that's why there is an overflow onto the streets i believe caritas village will finally make it possible for us to achieve our goals it will be a safe place for our clients to receive care and get on the path to housing it will be it will be a facility that staff and the clients can be proud of at catholic charities i feel a part of a family i want the best for my family and the people who who we serve please consider caritas village so these angels can make an even greater difference in san rosa i want to thank cc angels catholic charities angels for allowing me to be participate in their programs and to and to have a roof over my head and because of them i'm alive today and it takes a village just to get me through the day because i wouldn't be here without them i'd be dead so because of their help they restored hope in my life they brought my family back together and because of that i'm allowed to be able to see my two twin grandchildren that are gonna be born soon and i have permanent housing now for five years thank you catholic charities thank you but don't clap i appreciate the sentiment and i understand but we gotta keep to the rules okay thank you eddie next uh rosalie's with shea and then followed by her is alina hoffman and then joel lily and thought yes my name is rosalie sulca chay and i come to you as a homeowner in the saint rose historic district for over 40 years i have seen many changes take place in my neighborhood we move there as a very ordinary family my husband a roofer and i became employed as an account clerk my children and us had access to public transportation to the proximity to the santa rosa junior college to the wonderful businesses my children working at the grateful bagel my son delivering newspapers for the press democrat we are a very ordinary family i want that wholesomeness in that wholeness to continue in the end my neighborhood the house across the street from me in november of 2018 two bedroom one bath 1220 square feet sold for 647 thousand dollars some of my children could never afford to live in the neighborhood that i live in now i want the wholeness to continue and i ask you to support caritas village project because i feel strongly that it contributes to the wholeness of the neighborhood it respects and provides for all groups in our neighborhood not just the ones having 647 thousand dollar homes i am yes a bit sad by the demolition of some of the historic structures but the moving of two of them is a compromise and i think everything will be done to salvage so i ask you to support this project to give a wholeness to our neighborhood that it's so well deserves thank you thank you next is lina hoffman followed by joel i want to call you joel it's joe lily and thal and then jackie center and i'm not seeing lina hoffman so joe lily and thal i guess i'm up then i want to take this opportunity to thank the planning commissioners who took the time to meet and walk the neighborhood to view examples of compatible infill projects and adaptive your use of existing buildings i also want to say that i'm not opposed to catholic charities having an updated facility for having additional housing added to the saint rose preservation district both can happen along with preservation since 1990 when the saint rose historic preservation district was formed there have been numerous projects both residential non-residential that have been successfully completed by adaptive reuse and new infill and by following the guidelines for building in historic districts the applicants are asking to demolish an entire city block of our preservation district mostly of known contributors to the district the general hospital a four-unit apartment building and most of the bungalows on morgan street are part of the fabric to make up the district the fact that these structures do not are not eligible for federal or state historic registry shouldn't matter there's still local contributors and i would argue that most of the buildings in san rosa's eight historic districts don't rise the level of the standard of being for the federal or state registry but they're still important one of the reasons for demolishing for demolition stated in the hour is trying to save them would prevent the applicant from reaching their objective what about the city of santa rosa's objectives stated in multiple documents on preserving its historic districts one example is a santa rosa general plan 2035 adapted by the city council and it says general plan policies tribes strive to ensure long-term historic preservation in santa rosa by encouraging preservation of historic structures as well as their surrounding setting in areas of new development and redevelopment by discouraging the demolition of historic resources if the project moves ahead as planned it sets a dangerous precedent not only for future development in the san rosa's preservation district but for all eight of santa rosa's historic districts ire is the planning commission not to approve a plan that says total demolition is the only way to go how about a win-win where catholic charities gets a better facility where some housing is added to the san rosa district and the preservation district gets to stay intact thank you thank you next is jackie's center i don't see her she did write some things on her card which we'll put in the record uh so next is jeff uh colon followed by susan haze followed by matthew reid chair sisco vice chair weeks commissioners and staff i wanted to start off by just thanking all of you for the time and dedication and care that you've devoted to this project um my name is jeff colon i'm the chair of the board of trustees for providence st joseph santa rosa memorial hospital and i'm here this evening representing the hospital and our ceo tyler headon um we are here to express our strong support for the caritas village project which will provide permanent supportive housing with on-site supportive services and affordable housing units for our most vulnerable residents at providence st joseph health we believe health is a human right everyone deserves a chance to live the healthiest life possible especially those who are poor and vulnerable but it's not easy to take care of your health when you don't have a safe place to call home our founding sisters understood better than anyone that housing and health care are inextricably linked and have ministered to the needs of the homeless since their earliest days in the tradition of our founding sisters st joseph devotes resources activities and services that help build lives and care for the underserved and disadvantaged providence st joseph health has seen the impact that stable housing makes on health and the unfortunate health outcomes for persons without proper housing housing in our own community needs assessments keep telling us that homelessness and inadequate housing are key needs in santa rosa and throughout our northern california region chronic homelessness is a major barrier to health in every community in which we serve that's why we launched a new initiative called housing is health and are committed to partnering with others in each of our communities to support and invest in affordable permanent housing for those who would otherwise be living on the streets we commend our partners catholic charities of santa rosa and burbank housing for their unwavering commitment to helping address homelessness and housing instability in our community and improving the quality of life for our most vulnerable residents santa rosa memorial hospital believes finding a solution to homelessness is a moral imperative and we strongly urge the planning commission to approve this project thank you for your consideration and support great thank you susan haze my name is susan haze i'm a 25-year resident of the west end neighborhood i live near the teen center i'm also a board member of the west end neighborhood association i'm a volunteer with catholic charities through sam jones outreach at morgan street and other small projects i'm also working our end for the past 50 years and i work part-time now in home health it's been brought to my attention that there is some negative feeling about the proposed center the close experience i have had with the homeless indicates the need for more coordinated services that carry to us will accomplish the homeless folks in our area are here because downtown areas offer more further help than welfare no matter what city you're in we are fortunate to have groups that care the redwood gospel mission feeds and overnights people san francis appall serves lunch daily morgan street homeless center provides food and much needed case management to help and house family support center feeds houses and provides case management for those with children many churches provide occasional overnight stays and dinner santa rosa offers the best support it is able to do caritas village will consolidate some of these services and continue to work for appropriate care and placement jesus said the poor will always be with us and if all of us are not part of the solution we're part of the problem neighbors should not hesitate to report to the police or the catholic charities any issues or problems immediately we are all aware some behaviors are not acceptable lastly there's always an invite through catholic charities to tour any site and and discuss issues functioning in the residents with staff members if you have any questions or concerns let them know and the and and information time can be arranged many thanks and please support this appropriate cause with an open heart thank you thank you next is matthew reed followed by denise hill yes thank you matthew reed i'm a 700 morgan street residents in fact i'm the guy that before catholic charities extended the mailers out to a thousand feet i was the only one getting them uh yeah i just wanted to say that i'm hearing a lot of kind of common ground here as far as we want this built i'm obviously in support of it too as a working class person myself i understand and have been close myself to you know getting injured on the job no health insurance or crappy health insurance you know and you know you miss one paycheck you miss another paycheck and then you're out on the street nobody wants that okay so i hope and and in in that same vein that that we all are when we're getting together and you know involved in building building this that uh it's uh that's uh understood and appreciated that those people who are that morgan street neighborhood that residential neighborhood that is kind of in the thick of it that this building of caritas village uh truly ultimately alleviates the rampant loitering and vagrancy and and howling at the moon in the middle of the night waking me up and you know and all the cars out on the streets with jacked up and oil getting poured in the in the street and you know environmental issues like that and health issues and needles and human feces and the whole smear uh so to the extent this gets built you know i i hope that i'm all for it i certainly hope that uh you know it's also appreciated that it alleviates that that is to say we don't have both um a increase in the population of residents on on morgan street uh and nothing changes uh with respect to all of the other um i'll just say eccentric things that go on i'm in that neighborhood on a daily basis uh i would also submit that you consider um a size of this building of the caritas village that can be reasonably and fairly managed by the good uh people at catholic charities many of whom i know and would consider friends and i have spoken with them in neighborhood walks too and stuff and they express their concerns and about that as well um that uh you know so items like 24-hour security and property managers on the on the facility and all that i just would want to make sure that the funding for this also you know includes that and so that it be built in a manner whereby um you know all that can can come to you know can be managed effectively thank you very much thank you next is denise hill followed by peter stanley followed by vasco yorgov hi um it's a 30-year resident of the saint rose neighborhood uh and i think after touring around with each of the planners uh on the planning on the planning commission members um i think you can understand why we love our neighborhood it's a really nice little tiny neighborhood that was one of the first historic districts actually the first historic district formed in 1990 so 30 years ago that historic district was in effect because it was felt to be the most endangered area for being destroyed by development due to its location uh so in 2015 catholic charities who had been leasing the properties purchased the properties on the block that we're talking about for this project they were aware at the time that this was a historic district and neighbors voiced their concerns about the fact that they might destroy buildings and yet they put through a proposal that is that states it will destroy all historic structures there was no olive branch to the neighborhood and even though they say they've met and offered meetings lots of comments that were directed at let's not destroy so many historic buildings to do this project have been ignored so we don't have a problem with the catholic charities uh caretas center being built i will echo matt's concerns though that the caretas center navigation center has got to have better controls and guidelines and management than what we're seeing now at 600 morgan street which is very lax in a constant issue in the neighborhood for the last two years at least um we do have concerns about the caretas homes and the fact that they would destroy so many historic structures federal state guidelines for historic districts list as best practices for new building to be infill around historic structures and currently uh i don't believe that you can even find anything that addresses destroying an entire block of a historic district in any federal guidelines or state guidelines so what we're looking for here is a win-win we're not looking you know currently it's a win-lose uh the historic district loses the historic structures lose and a win-win would be some of those historic structures get saved ideally more than just one or two so that's what we're looking for and we hope that we will see that happen thank you so much thank you peter stanley followed by vasco yorgoff chair sisco members of the commission thank you my name is peter stanley i'm with archeologics i'm a downtown business owner and a resident of santa rosa for over 40 years um we've been hearing very eloquent uh speakers tonight talk about uh the need in the desire for solving a lot of the problems that we've had in this community for a very long time i spent six years on the other side of that dais and i spent a lot of time with you and i understand the problems and the difficulty of having to come up with these decisions but i wanted to give a land use context to what we're talking about here because these problems came a long time ago we thankfully put urban growth boundaries into this community decades ago and we knew at that time in the conversation we were having at that time was that we were going to have to intensify development closer and closer in town what we did over the next 30 years is we built subdivisions single family small out subdivisions that did nothing to bring affordable housing into our community we stand here tonight and we look at this crisis that we have in housing and then we look at the crisis and about homelessness and we can trace all of these things back to very good decisions maybe we made it one time but they have these unintended consequences and so i would propose to you that we have now or potentially a land use crisis in this community because we are starting to erode the edges of all these opportunity zones i'm encouraging you to realize through this 2007 specific plan and the amendments that we're putting in place now and the great work that the city has been doing is that if we start to erode the intensity of development opportunity in the downtown 10 years from now we're going to be having this exact same conversation you have two excellent organizations who've been in this community for decades and catholic charities and burbank housing and all they're asking is that this community is to please give them 20th century solutions tools to solve these 20th century problems that they have this is a critical problem that we are never going to solve if we keep worrying about diminishing these edges of our communities if this is going to make us all of our better community and we need to be compassionately looking towards this and finding very sensitive projects as the one michael pyotok brought forward and the one the catholic charities and burbank is they are two excellent providers they will be here in our community part of our community in solving this problem and i encourage you to please push this forward bring it to council let's get this done thank you thank you that's go your golf hi um so for full disclosure i'm a burbank employee but i'm here speaking as a resident of the west end um everybody before me spoke incredibly eloquently so i just want to highlight my own experience living in the west end um every day i walk to work uh through downtown and unfortunately i walk by my neighbors and fellow human beings who um aren't as lucky as me and don't have a roof over their heads um they're incredible kind people um i've gotten more smiles and more you know little pleasant conversations with my neighbors who happen to be homeless and i have with a lot of the other folks um so i just think this is a really incredible opportunity that we have here um and as a resident of the west end i'm really excited that i get to be a neighbor to a project like this so that's all thank you thank you that's all the cards that i have on this item uh you don't have to have filled out a card uh to speak on this item so if there's anyone left that's wanting to speak just go up to the microphone and again please start with giving your name and you'll have three minutes one two and three so i don't know if any of you know that wonderful little story called could you give your name for the record for doreen i'm doreen venluan i'm okay yes i don't know if you know the wonderful little story called caps for sale it's about a man a peddler who is uh wandering through his village and he's trying to sell his caps for 50 cents so i'm wearing three tonight and he gets into some monkey business but hopefully we're not going to um i'm first of all here uh as a survivor of domestic violence and uh if you could erase about 27 years from me um and see me as a 40 year old mother with three little children who uh with great terror ran away on the streets thankfully had a uh old old motor home i ran out off with and um you know i'm so grateful that there were services available to me and my children we ended up in a six month shelter that took us with the three kids and we lived there and helped they helped through the structure and the safety the accountability that they provided to uh allow me to put my life back together again so while i didn't live under um an overpass i came really close i had five hundred dollars in my pocket when i left with those three little kids i'm grateful i can stand here today i'm also here to represent uh saint uh i'm sorry church of the incarnation and that is in the heart of um the saint rose district and we are committed to helping the homeless we survive we provide uh open table on a weekly basis each sunday morning the homeless come and there's a hot wonderful meal for them we give them gloves and hats in the winter time and coats sleeping bags things like that but we know it's not enough it's just not enough it's something but it's not enough and so i'm here in lieu of our rector who is on a paternity leave right now and others who do support this our church is all about providing soul care and this is soul care as well as physical care care and then lastly i'm here as the very recent past president of the redwood empire chapter of the association of marriage and family therapists we are 380 strong and uh we uh thank you miss lou and you ran out of time but i think we get where you were going okay um yes would you like to speak certainly please state your name and you have three minutes yes my name is greg steel i am fortunate to serve as a board member for catholic charities and also has been pointed out earlier this evening as the capital campaign co-chair along with victrione i think we would all agree that homelessness and affordable housing is a crisis the question isn't that the question is what are we going to do about it and i think you have in front of you tonight an opportunity to help us move the needle and move the needle in a significant way we need two things to address this problem obviously one is more affordable housing that's obvious the other is more adequate services and support for those that are homeless or those that are at risk of becoming homeless and i believe that keratos village is the most meaningful step we can take right now to help mitigate this crisis in our community for three reasons one is it's been pointed out earlier this evening we have two very competent organizations working together catholic charities and burbank housing to solve this problem they've been in the community a long time and they both have very substantial track records it's my belief that this partnership and combination is very powerful to get this project done we have an ideal piece of property or land for this project it isn't often that you can redevelop an entire eight or tire city block of land for this kind of purpose it's very impressive and we have that asset and we're able to use that last we have a compelling community and financial support it's been already discussed tonight that we've raised close to 22 million dollars already what may not have been discussed is the fact that it includes all the local hospitals it includes the local banks it includes many many well-respected community members who are participating in this project and want to see it get completed our current homeless shelter is over a hundred years old and it wasn't designed for its intended purpose as jenny lin said if we are able to to build this car test village and car test center we can double the number of people that we put out into permanent housing i just asked this tonight that you move forward expeditiously and approve this project for us so we can get on and get it built thank you very much thank you anyone else wishing to speak okay great to state your name please good evening my name is joe plager i didn't have formal remarks but wanted to speak and i am a field representative for congressman thompson and i would take like to take the opportunity to re-emphasize what was mentioned earlier about the additional tax credits we were able to allocate at the end of last year it is one billion dollars with a b and for context that's 50 percent of the size of tax credits that california as a whole receives in a year just specifically for the disaster counties this is a huge once-in-a-lifetime win and it's important they are allocated quickly and be used in projects immediately and as in taking off my professional hat as a resident of 442 8th street and one of my earliest memories in santa rosa was accompanying my mom to work at just down the block on 7th and a street i believe in the vibrancy and historic nature of the santa rosa neighborhood but recognize that the current facilities while they're old that may not mean that they're historic and they're falling down they're not usable they're not able to be brought up to current code standards and frankly not safe for their current uses or any future use so i'm in full support of this project thank you great thank you anyone else wishing to speak okay i'm not seeing anyone else rise so i'm going to go ahead and close our public hearing thank you all for your comments and thank you all for being orderly and respectful um i think if you wouldn't mind i'd like the commission to have just a really short break so we are fresh for uh the response to the uh concerns of the public so we're just going to take about a five minute break okay um if you want to take your seats i'm going to go ahead and call our meeting back to order i think i have two uh two major concerns that i heard uh one of which definitely are the number of which need to be handled by the applicant so if the applicant would be willing to respond to the concerns expressed about um how the security systems are being handled the current conditional use permit and how the navigation center will be handled in the future so that that's answered not that loud okay oh okay great um well thank you thank you for the opportunity to talk a little bit about the operational component of our project i'll kind of talk from the programs and operational standpoint and then we'll invite our architect my pie talk to talk about some of the design elements uh so just to kind of uh talk about the concerns around the current operations and how this project would help it uh help the uh or enhance the operations you know we've pretty much been doing adaptive reuse for the last 30 years and we feel that this facility has run its course in that way uh in particular with the drop-in center you know we serve a significant number of individuals experiencing crisis and homelessness out of a two-bedroom home and that is why you see some of the issues um because the buildings were never necessarily meant for that and we've been adaptively reusing them over the last several years in terms of the new project in the way it's designed uh we'll be looking at a building that will actually allow for those same individuals to be served in a much more enhanced way including interior courtyards and interior space much larger space to accompany their needs uh we'll also be looking at um enhancing our existing good neighbor practice and policy which is to ensure that individuals that come into our programs they sign a program agreement and part of it is that they will be a good neighbor while they are participating in our program if there is something that violates our good neighbor policy we actually can do some suspensions of services uh we also have a 24 hour hotline that people can call if they have concerns in the community or in the surrounding neighborhood and we have 24 hour staffing currently on the site uh to mitigate any issues with this new program we'd actually be enhancing the number of staff in terms of the on-site resident managers as part of the Burbank housing project and we also will have um our intensive case management services that are currently kind of spread across the community will be there to kind of more proactively deal with any problematic issues that might be going on additionally um we'll be looking at how our transitional residency program that is being proved that is currently on the property and would continue would also allow for more intensive security on-site uh during the after hours to again continue to help mitigate issues in the surrounding neighborhood uh so with that I'm going to ask if our architect might talk about some of the design elements that we've specifically incorporated to deal with some of our current limitations around our operations what I could do is just um help you visualize a walk around the block with the new facility there when it comes to the housing at the north end of the site the entire ground floor will be lined with housing on the ground floor people will have their own porches and patios so there'll be plenty of eyes on the street where presently they're really aren't any so that whole end of the block is taking care of that way on the southern end where the catholic charity services are there'll be lots of staff there'll be dozens of social workers staffing that facility and at night there'll be cameras we'll have the latest electronic technology monitoring all the sides of the building all the streets with with cameras the entry to the former alley which will now become amuse will be gated and locked with access only by staff residents will be coming into their own lobbies in each of their separate buildings so all edges of the site will be carefully controlled and monitored at all times 24 hours great thank you and then for staff maybe you can give us um an in depth answer to um the questions about the multiple structures being demolished how that how that's being handled in terms of the the general plan guidelines and policies regarding historic structures and the concern that in in moving this project forward in this way are we setting a precedent that might harm other historic neighborhoods all right i'll take a stab at answering that so i'm going to hit the first question about whether your actions tonight are precedent settings so if you allow demolition of historic structures contributing or otherwise tonight does that bear that we would continue to do that on each and every project um instead of entitlements that you're asked to act on of course not um this is a case by case um request that comes to you so tonight you're looking at changing of flange's designation and you're also looking at a project now you get to back tonight based on the information you have based on all the information that you have in the public testimony and and balance some competing interests and now in terms of policy the competing interest is it's our downtown our our housing needs the needs to address homelessness um urban design as well as historic preservation and a number of speakers spoke to um policies that discourage demolition so those are all true and those are all adopted policies and our general plan includes the collection of those and just like any other project you're balancing those so you need to decide what are the most relevant most appropriate for the application that's before you tonight and then in terms of environmental impacts um this is a disclosure process the environmental impact report does not shy away from the impacts it bears it all and in fact we are um through this analysis finding that it's significant this impact and cultural resources so that's why you are looking at um considering and and making a recommendation for a statement of overriding considerations so these are not taken lightly but these this is what you have before you in terms of balancing things balancing policies looking at environmental impacts and balancing whether it's appropriate to do a statement of overriding considerations through the chair if i might i just wanted to provide some clarity in the event you wanted to look at probably your packets in front of you about the the level of environmental analysis that's presented in the eir on uh table 3.6-1 on page 3.6-6 in the land use chapter there's a general plan policy consistency analysis which evaluates the city's general plan policies relative to the proposed application in front of you so that'll give you a context want me to see the numbers again okay it's a table 3.6-1 and it's located on page 3.6-6 and that's the general plan policy consistency analysis um there was another point raised uh not only in your question but through some of the public comment speakers um about the idea of the impacts of the historic district and the challenges that that brings to the district as staff has alluded to that we did not shy away at finding that to be a significant effect and that analysis is contained on page 3.4-14 and i won't read it for you but in in summary while the demolition of these two contributors would not result in the loss of the district as i hold the alteration to the district would result in a substantial adverse change to the historic preservation district in summary okay great thank you so i believe that addresses the the main concerns brought up by the public and so i'd like to give the commission their opportunity to ask questions um so yeah we could start with staff um and let's try to pay attention to who's answering the question like if we need to talk to police or fire that if we all have particular so we don't have people jumping up and down so we'll just try to kind of do that and make a coordinated effort of who we're asking and how long they need to up there so yeah commissioner dug in go ahead okay i've got a few questions for staff um one was one of the speakers um made the statement that she believed two structures two historic structures were going to be moved and that is not in the plan is that correct i wanted to make sure that that was understood that's that's correct the project includes demolition of all the structures on the site okay all right and i do have a couple of specific questions um so that i see one of the things we've been given to approve or not approve is a minor use permit because we don't need a major conditional use permit for the homeless shelter um and the minor permit the the use language is different than what's in the existing um 2010 conditional use permit and specifically um including the regular meetings with the neighbors and part all the parking um needs to be on site so is any of that language carrying over is it going to be part of the minor use permit or is that language been changed now the current resolution that's drafted would supersede the previous use permit and if you would like to recommend adding additional conditions um that is in your uh purview okay if we wanted to add add the conditions that were in the the previous conditional use permit okay and also um i wanted to ask if you've got any um data on the number of code enforcement calls that have been called in for the existing the the the use permit that's currently enforced and the nature of those calls i don't have the statistics of the number of calls but there are no active code enforcement cases on the project site okay okay and then i've got some questions for the traffic engineer and for fire okay um any other questions along these lines for for christening two years yeah commissioner carter uh this is a real broad process question but the applicant uh asks that if we don't approve the project we deny it can you discuss what the process would be if a denial was to occur and i don't know if they might want to add some clarity to that but i mean basically what's before you tonight is um a proposed project and staff is recommending that you recommend approval of all the requested entitlements in eir it is within your purview purview in the alternative to recommend denial of any or all of the resolutions that are before you in that instance however we would be asking you to provide some direction to staff as to why you're making that recommendation and that would require a discussion of some findings to support your recommendation for denial i mean it's always the choice is always before you can recommend approval you can recommend denial you can recommend some modifications there too um perhaps it's a question best answered by the applicant i it seemed to me that there was some understanding of how it would proceed if there was a denial and that's what i'm trying to get at if if there was an intention from the applicant for it a next step i'd like to understand it better um thank you commissioner carter tina wallis again i think what we're asking for is a decision tonight either that the commission would recommend um that the council approve the project as we proposed it or if you're unable to make that recommendation that you then recommend that the council deny these applications um our understanding and i would of course defer to staff and the city attorney's office is that um because it's a recommendation this would move forward to council and ultimately council would make the ultimate decision as to approval or denial based on this commission's recommendation of approval or recommendation of denial so i think i understand what you're asking for now but would a recommendation of denial go to the council or would it have to it would it would go to the council that answers my question thank you just to add a chair cisco members one other thing i think the idea here is that the applicant is indicating a preference to move forward to the council given some of the funding deadlines um and that a continuance is not in their interest at this point which is another option that is of course available to the commission okay um yeah vice chair weeks and then commissioner peterson um so i have a couple of questions for staff uh is there was some questions around parking and street parking is morgan street in part of the parking is there a parking district the part of morgan street that is um between seventh and sixth we don't have that information okay okay no call outs please we're just trying to get this done thanks so that's one question uh for staff uh if if cultural heritage board and design review board don't approve the project when it comes to them what happens i mean i know that they are not binding that but so what what would happen the applicant has a opportunity to appeal their decision to the city council and the city council would make the ultimate decision on the project okay and then the remainder parcel uh that this might be a question for housing but um when does that plan on going to city council good evening i'm megan bassinger housing and community services manager as christine mentioned in her staff presentation the housing authority just approved conveyance of the parcels to city council on monday february 24th we are planning on having a closed session with the council on tuesday march 3rd and then we'll proceed with an open session item for the completion of the transaction at a later date so it will be scheduled in the near future commissioner peterson um so on on the land use front i'm trying to formulate a coherent question here so the historic district designation that h overlay sort of how does that interact with the other land use designations you know the medium density residential um that sort of stuff i i guess is the purpose to kind of keep historic districts as a a fixed more museum type piece is it a more dynamic overlay how does the interaction between the historic district and the other land uses how do they interact i can speak to that um so it's a little bit of mixing and matching uh we have the general plan designations which is medium density residential transit village mixed um and those are about general land use types and general levels of intensity so it doesn't and then we have general plan policies that are not specific to any land use designation but throughout in terms of urban infill and historic preservation uh the zoning that you referenced that supports more specific sort of land use opportunities and the way the zoning code works for land use in a historic district is and this is actually even written in the h combining district part of the code it says for land use is you default to the base zoning district that that dictates the land uses through our land use table so for example you know you can do a single family detach or you can do a multifamily or you can do a neighborhood office so it's the base district that dictates the land uses so for example if it's neighborhood commercial that's that that's what you look for for land use for um design guidance it's uh it's um there are some development standards in the zoning code so that talks about height how setbacks are going to be treated in historic districts there's flexibility there in terms of discretionary processes and just outright flexibility especially on setbacks um and then also design we have design guidelines and so those are guidelines so those aren't as they're not legislative like our zoning code and our general plan but they help us inform sort of the how part which just follows this discussion this is the land use and the intensity discussion at commission and council and then as we move forward to design then we start looking at our design guidelines and so that's what dictates sort of how these things fit so I would say in short it's not they're not meant to be static they're supposed to evolve over time but again balancing new construction and there's a lot of policies that speak to new construction in historic districts and so would it be fair to say that the the preservation district isn't driving or controlling the the land use you know the the zoning isn't fixed as a result of being in a preservation district it's not dictated by the preservation district it's more about design and development standards thank you come sure quicky yeah um during the non-agenda manners dwayne dewitt uh mentioned referenced our issue last week where we had an open appeal window and then he implied that the same thing was happening with this can you speak to that yes this is not the same situation in this instance as we just had a small discussion with commissioner carter these would be recommendations of the planning commission to the city council so you would not find yourself in that same situation of an appealable action it will go straight on to the council on the second with you i mean third i'm sorry with your recommendations okay and then um can our consultants uh speak to i don't know if you were given the letter um from the very thorough letter from jeff elliott rebutting your findings on the um uh senator as a general hospital and its historical significance good evening my name is dan harrick i'm an architectural historian and preservation planner with stantec um i can speak to that letter um a big part of it and uh you're right jeff is very thorough in his uh research and his um dedication to the hospital um part of it is what he expressed in the letter i believe that what jeff was looking at was the narrative body within the consultant's uh historical resource report which was prepared prepared by bronzel historical consulting um that narrative within the body was just a brief summary of the broader historical contexts that were developed and included in the appendix um on the california depart department of parks and recreation 523 forms which is basically the industry standard for documenting historic properties and um sort of so the state can uh take those and have them within their formatting within that there's um some of jeff's concerns involved a citation of primary resources um differences of opinions in the historical narrative things of that nature that's all accounted for in that dpr form um the citations are there the primary sources that he wanted to see maybe not the exact specific ones certainly aligned in the broader source materials by looking at that and what jeff presented and what our consultants found there's definitely some difference of opinions in historical pieces of information but in a broader sense with the general hospital the things that jeff put forward in terms of uh evidence of historical significance didn't i mean historical significance is based upon uh four criteria for establishing that significance uh the first one is association with events or patterns of development number two is with uh associations for individuals that have made significant contributions to the patterns of history three is for architecture design um methods of construction things of that nature and then four um the potential to yield information and that's more tied to like the archaeology component and then of course a property has to uh exhibit integrity meaning it has to have seven meet seven uh categories of sort of uh tangible and intangible uh elements to sort of convey its historical significance and um uh what jeff prepared and outlined his point supporting the uh his argument that the general hospital was in fact eligible as a historic property wasn't necessarily context it was more important information well not important information more interesting information um the context that we would look at would be something about um and forgive me i'm trying to think of a specific example that he used but i believe one of the thing one of the common themes was that the hospital was uh very very their their model their mission was very caring um they they took care of their residents um or their uh patients and um the level of care was high so that it was um it was celebrated in the community however just because the care at a level of a hospital is basically because they were good at their jobs does that actually qualify as historical significance for patterns in history um there isn't necessarily any association with the development of medical practice um there isn't um i mean he references the uh they advertise the use of ambulances i mean that was becoming a common thing in the early late 19th really a 20th century there's it comes down to difference of opinion but um we stand by what our consultants put together and um we are preparing a response to his concerns and um although we disagree um certainly um his level of research and um his care is commendable so there is that again trevor was stante consulting the one thing that i would also add in addition to that is that the the secret guidelines in the the state statute allows for disagreement amongst experts okay and so the idea here is that uh both are utilizing a different opinion on the same matter and we're presenting it for disclosure the the idea here is that we are presenting all the available information to this this body so that you feel you can make an informed decision um as i alluded to earlier the findings of significance related to this particular impact have uh are at the highest level of significant and unavoidable we're not we're not trying to hide the fact that this is of an important topic and that it will result in a a significant unavoidable impact so in the context of sequa we've done all that we can do to provide you with information for your decision this evening. Any other you know Commissioner Peterson. All right well i've got you guys on a similar topic can you tell me so i'm looking at table 3.4-1 on page 3.4-4 and sort of along those same lines wondering if you could spend some time um just discussing how the historic eligibility is evaluated between the you know state federal local rules. Absolutely um the federal level is outlined by the national park service and that touches on those four criteria that i mentioned uh events patterns of development individuals design potentially information and at the end uh integrity once once you establish what the historical significance of a property is and under what historical context then you assess whether the building retains its integrity meaning does it have the characteristics evoke the feeling of that of that significance. The state level basically is a reiteration of that it's definitely a little more california tailored but it's essentially the four criteria again for the state or for the local um um criteria for significance they they basically base it off that it's the four essential criteria and then its integrity um as the fifth so it's it's pretty consistent across the board it's just whether it's tailored to the national state local level. And so still on that same table i'm wondering if you can um explain a little bit if if possible um why uh the bloomfield survey results are uh at odds for many of the the structures with the 2015-2018 survey results um you know in 1989 their district contributors and in 2015 they're ineligible. I mean it's something that we've touched upon before is that um historic districts they're very much uh living and breathing neighborhoods they are not static these aren't museums they are subject to change and that original bloomfield survey was conducted 30 years ago um it's at the point now where uh technically by national park standards like that original survey will be of like a historic age in its own right so it's um it's it's something that a lot of uh localities have to deal with and it's it's hard because you go and you conduct a survey of a district or of historic properties but all your capturing is that exact moment you could go back two weeks later and the situation could change um it's the the metaphor that constantly gets used is like painting the golden gate bridge like you finish and then you have to go back and do it all over again it's the same with um looking at historic neighborhoods um certainly in this table and which is further outlined by our consultants technical report they do talk about discrepancies between the bloomfield survey um and sort of what's presented now is the historic district they could there's a graphic included in that uh that sort of shows the juxtaposition of the boundaries and it's basically how it's evolved over time there's there's some gaps just in our understanding of it and that's something that they basically address at this point it's it's a very preliminary resurvey effort of the district to look at it as it is right now keeping in mind the work that's been done before on it thank you so on that note um and looking at the table 3.4-1 um when it says um you know something that was by the bloomfield a survey result of district contributor and now it's ineligible because it lacks integrity um and her in the your consultants notes she mentions a lot of times the integrity was referred to as the windows had been replaced or boarded up or the doors had been changed or maybe a porch had been you know covered in siding and windows can you can that kind of integrity be restored and would that make this building a contributor it depends um which i know is never the answer people want to hear but sadly that's the catch all answer in historic preservation um basically what it comes down to with restoration work is that is uh it's strictly controlled by or strictly outlined by a set of national parks level standards called the secretary of the interior standards for the treatment of historic properties um specifically for restoration and one of the key elements of that is um documentation you don't want to um basically go and just assume what a historic property might have looked like and try to bring it to something you usually like to base it off some kind of evidence whether it's um physical photographic just some kind of record to inform that restoration so it's not um it doesn't become sort of inauthentic in in its own way but um it it kind of depends on the nature of the alteration like something like applying stucco to uh what used to be redwood shake is um it's pretty damaging playing with window openings things of that nature um it it just comes down to um basically baseline um baseline research understanding of the property and um the funds if i could just add the um dan is absolutely correct in that um in your question as well intention to will can you fix some of the things that we've identified or wrong and i think that it's a valid uh conceptual um conversation but what i would advise you on is that um for baseline underneath sequels it's established at the point in which the application is deemed complete and so although there might be all all these forces which can come into the project whether it's like a listing or change of a new regulation the baseline in which we evaluate the project's impacts on the environment in this case in the built environment are establishing the time in which application is deemed complete so you're not incorrect you could probably fix some of those things but currently that's a speculative action underneath the considerations of the environmental document okay thank you yeah commissioner carter um so i'm looking at the uh mitigation measures for the identified impact and the first one is this salvage report can can you tell me what happens with that report it says one is to be prepared the city will be consulted what happens to it um typically what would happen is um basically you would have somebody that would be qualified whether it's a contractor of some kind with experience doing the sort of work or a historic architect that meets the secretary of the interior professional qualifications would conduct an investigation of the building that would be subject to demolition and look at various character defining elements or historic materials that could either be salvage and reused potentially for other buildings in the district or of historic districts of a similar nature and then they could basically use those elements to um to uh basically is just like a like a salvage yard of sorts to kind of bring up their next um uh to fix their historic houses and um because certainly um again to go back to like redwood shake or something like that it becomes harder and harder to find of that era but if you have a handy supply then that could be made available to homeowners to replacing kind on their own historic homes things of that nature. So what I'm wondering is the third mitigation is interpretive materials and it seems to me there might be some link between those two mitigation measures but it's not spelled out in the first one that the report shall be used to determine which materials are used for interpretive and in the first mitigation it says it can be used in the district or wherever a qualified professional says they should be used. Would it be appropriate to have to add language to say look first at the project and incorporating them in the project? I guess that's kind of a mixed question for consultants and staff here. Yeah. So your concept is not one that is unfamiliar to you know a lot of municipal planning processes you know the initial salvage report identifies resources not only that are eligible to be reused but are unique enough to be worth reusing right and then the interpretive materials that are identified in mitigation measures CUL-3 is often an adaptation of those particular materials and either say like a uh a site feature whether it's related to art or incorporation and interior design in the new building that is a very common approach or method. We often shy away from tying those two together because sometimes we don't know if there's going to be anything that you can actually use but I think as far as the process here we can absolutely take that of note and ensure that if there is something that you first see if you can adaptively use it on site and second if not can it be utilized in a interpretive material? Yeah yeah a little more. Just to tag on to that question so if you do the salvage report and you do find some unique details that you're going to salvage I don't know a door trim or whatever who retains the possession and control of those items before they're used on another building? So that's a that's a good question depending upon who does the evaluation and how the contractor oftentimes works I can that is not explicitly spelled out in the environmental review process but I'll give you an example in the event uh it gives you context to provide a condition for the recommendation. Usually the way that it works is that the applicant will retain those materials on site until such time or they'll be evaluated on site and then retained on site until such time that a qualified person can determine how they need to be handled so for example say there's a plaster fixture that's on a that's on a wall that is uniquely ornate and actually by taking it off the wall you could actually damage it so you have to remove it in a particular fashion and you might have to actually find an expert to do just that right so depending upon what the resource is will determine the the standard of care and which is applied to that resource but in most instances it's the applicant's contractor that identifies and usually holds those on site. Yeah, Commissioner Peterson. I have some questions while we're we're still with the consultants um so when we're changing yours a little bit um when you're talking about the alternatives that were considered for the significant impact um one of the the criteria is figuring out whether the alternatives are feasible or unfeasible and can you tell me a little bit about um what goes into determining the feasibility sort of what can go in is it money is it time is it that that sort of thing. So there's basically three factors of feasibility that are utilized to determine a project's eligibility for consideration related to an alternative if you first start with and I think of my opening remarks I made this point of alternative formulation comes out of project impact identification so step one is to come up with a feasible alternative is it functionally reducing what the project is impacting so for example if you had historic impacts by me saying well everybody has to drive electrical vehicles to this facility is not going to offset that impact right so there has to be a nexus between the impact from the project and the alternative formulation which will try to address that impact secondly you have to evaluate the alternative's consistency with the project objectives the project objectives are basically the uh kind of the rules of evaluation and now you don't have to be entirely consistent with all the project objectives case law within our state has proven that you have to be mostly consistent and I won't try to define mostly here tonight but what I'll tell you is the process by which we go through is to review an alternative and see if it will will line out with all the project objectives which are identified in the project description so for example if an alternative is to say oh we're going to get rid of the the homeless care center component of the project well that is a fundamental objective of the the project itself so any alternative which would propose something different would be deemed inconsistent lastly there's policy considerations policy considerations relative to complexity of the city's general plan policy have to be evaluated for consistency to determinations similarly like we did with the proposed project so if there is something that's inherently inconsistent with city policy for example like let's put a 20 story high rise on the site you know it would be fundamentally inconsistent with city policy to do such in this particular location and then you hadn't you had mentioned something about financial consideration I'll just bring that up to answer your question but financial consideration is it's very hard to prove economic distress as part of an alternative's consideration because although the cost of a alternative is not quantifiably identified in an environmental review process it is a practical reality and that practical reality is where that feasibility determination comes in related to economics so for example if you were to have a project which required say a shoulder widening but you know the financial another financial solution was to build a five mile long bridge you know at a certain point there becomes a financial economic infeasibility related to how practical that alternative is and I'll defer to the city attorney if she'd like to add any other clarity on that no I think that answered my question thank you any other questions of this group okay great this is just something that popped in my mind after a commissioner peterson's question so in in this year we have there are two alternative that one I think meets all project objectives except one I'm doing this from memory cleared not looking at the page and the other one meets all of the project objectives and when do you recommend that you take an alternative rather than than what your first examining I mean if they tell the project objectives yes let me recite your question to make sure that I understand it correctly I believe your question is asking at what point do you consider an alternative rather than the proposed project if it fulfills all the project objectives is that correct yes oftentimes you come up with this alternative formation and you can approve an alternative that is not the proposed project and that is at your discretion you know the alternatives that we've evaluated that are here in front of you tonight are covered within the I'll just use the term bookends of the environmental analysis because the proposed action in and of itself will have the greatest level of environmental impact so anything that is of alternative consideration could be approved or by by you for consideration this evening so you can make that determination and in the alternatives chapter of the EIR there's a specific section which is called the environmentally superior alternative and in that section it talks about the differences between how this alternative actually addressed the potential impacts that were raised by the proposed project and that is what deems it to be the environmentally superior alternative now that's not to say and the recommendation of staff here this evening is not necessarily that environmentally superior alternative and nor does it need to be but if you do not approve that there are specific findings that we talked about earlier that accompany the overriding considerations that are needed to do so so that's a lot and I apologize so please ask me more questions if I can be clear well so now I guess my question is for staff it's like if we chose to take one of the alternatives is there a way to do that like say the alternative that says it's environmentally superior because it moves one of the houses I'd like to just back up for a second and just add something to what trevor saying in this in this discussion of feasibility in this sequel context it comes in to play at two different times first is as trevor was explaining in the selection of the alternatives they have to be potentially feasible in order to to be studied in the er so some of those that he mentioned at first that were rejected out of hand you know we're not potentially feasible so that's more looking at the objectives and you know whether this is consistent with the city policies once you get to the point of you've reviewed you've done the analysis now we're at the point one of your actions tonight there's certifying the er is is the first recommended action and the second recommended action is adoption of findings of fact mitigation monitoring and statement of overriding considerations and it's in this second step that there's a another look at feasibility and there and it's not just looking at the project objectives and the city policies it's also looking at economic infeasibility legal infeasibility and the definition of feasible which gets to another question that was up there is capable of being accomplished in a successful manner within a reasonable period of time taking into account economic environmental social technological and legal factors so that is the type of balancing that comes into play for making the findings of fact and and the balancing that trevor spoke of in adopting the statement of overriding considerations so it really goes beyond just project objectives it's looking at is this a real feasible alternative and if you look in the findings of fact i know that was a long document but um it's attached to the second resolution there are sections addressing specifically feasibility on each of the alternatives and there is evidence provided to support staff's recommendation that those find that those two alternatives are infeasible and in making the findings of fact that are presented here to you this evening you'd be recommending that the city council find those alternatives to be infeasible and primarily um there's a lot of evidence in there as to the economic infeasibility timing cost of moving these structures so that would be for the second resolution and if you were hello and inclined to be pursuing i think so now to get your question how would we do that um i think it would be most prudent in the context of the findings of fact and statement of overriding considerations whereby you could certify the eir you could recommend certification i'm sorry and recommend approval of all of the entitlements if you so desired and if you wanted to focus in on simply the feasibility of one of the alternatives in the second resolution you could consider recommending one of the alternatives instead on feasibility grounds one option and also though i mean that the applicant has seemingly their preference is obviously for the project and they've asked for a vote up on that but just as a reminder of their request but specific to your question does that answer it i think the best context would be in the second resolution for the findings so that you may be saying i agree with the land use i agree with everything about the project i think that you could do more to mitigate because really these alternatives are about additional mitigation measures it's not about another footprint another 50 story structure it really comes down to what's the level of mitigation that we think is appropriate in this instance so if the question is how to do that alternative i think it really speaks only to the feasibility of the various alternatives the feasibility of the mitigation measures which include moving one of the one or more of the structures okay thank you did i get it i think so okay yeah i'm sure i'll copy as a follow-up to that if we do opt for one of the sorry as a follow-up to that if we do opt for one of the alternatives is that the only one council would consider as a recommendation or they will they see the entirety of it i would ask that you make recommendations on each of the resolutions and proposed actions before you and the first one is certification of the adequacy of the eir more oh oh can the count sorry can the council consider then all of the alternatives yes your recommendation would be forwarded to them for their consideration they will be considering all the same issues hearing from the public and can make their own final judgment and decision last two weeks so in in the um in resolution two page 24 of 88 it talks about the um the feasibility of the of uh alternative three and it gives a cost to move the houses but it doesn't give a cost to um rehab the houses to current code and i wondered if that plays a part at all in your evaluation unless it's there and i just missed it in 88 pages there's a lot of paper there so but what i want to restate the question again to make sure that i can give you an answer that you're looking for so i believe that the question is um the feasibility of preserving the structure and rehabbing them correct and whether that was whether that was evaluated from an economic perspective so it was alternative and i'll point you to the resolution it's page 24 of 88 okay so in the middle of page 24 of 88 um the preservation alternative estimated that um and i'm just going to summarize if assuming you guys are going to be able to get to that same page here shortly uh estimated the financial impact of uh not only the delay but also the rehab would total $2.25 million but the moving the moving cost would be $750,000 i'm trying to see if there was another hard cost number in there i believe those are the anticipated economic costs that were evaluated right i read that and saw that but i was just wondering of that amount how much was the do you evaluate and typically what it would cost to rehab the buildings to code you know i wish i i wish i could answer that question unfortunately that's not my particular expertise but um i guess i would default to the city attorney that's okay well i mean and i might add we could seek some guidance from the applicants on this in terms of if they've got additional information on the cost to do the rehab because it's true the numbers that we have here were provided to us and set forth in the findings if you would like to ask for clarification or if you've got enough that's fine i think it's safe to say it would cost more to do the rehab okay any other questions i know you have questions of police and fire yeah okay so let's go to that let's see so i've got a couple for the traffic engineer and then um and then one for fire okay so um the sixth and seventh street linkage project document um that for i think first described the roundabout student now part of the downtown stationery specific plan um noted that the roundabouts plan for those intersections of sixth and a and seventh and a could comfortably accommodate the trucks and buses expected to use them and the applicant is asking for a reduction in the diameter size of those roundabouts and saying that now um but that trucks over a certain size will not be able to use these they won't be able to negotiate left turns of these roundabouts so um is that going to be a problem i mean that's the first question and then does it mean that the planned roundabouts will never be able to be installed in these locations so the analysis that uh that i reviewed actually showed fire apparatus and trucks making um making the turn the large trucks not making the turns but fire apparatus making the turns and smaller trucks making the turns correct um and then the larger trucks being able to go through to the mall to get to their uh location as far as uh deliveries and such they just make a right turn on six and then just go straight through the mall correct and they would be able to exit as well if they needed to on from that roundabout and what's the height clearance of the mall there isn't there uh over i believe the height clearance there is adequate for delivery trucks the it's fifth street which is like a seven something for height okay and so if if it's if it proves to be infeasible to construct the smaller diameter roundabouts other other traffic measures that can improve the traffic flow especially at sixth and a street um at sixth and a street uh likely a traffic signal would be adequate at that location um it is much more effective to use a roundabout and we be thrilled to implement something like that for traffic calming and pedestrian activity there what safety because i think sixth and a has an unusually high um collision rate because of people exiting them all and um coming straight out and uh right so with cyclists or pedestrians by design a traffic circle is much more uh effective safety wise than than a traffic signal or an intersection that's uncontrolled or only controlled by stop controls um if it was controlled by a traffic signal then that would be giving different approaches the right away obviously for for their movements um and traffic circle you're only looking one direction for someone to go around the corner before and for pedestrians obviously but um that's what makes the traffic circle much more uh safe in that manner and so is the traffic the traffic circles that are on those documents are they being budgeted for is there some sort of timeframe when they might be expected to be constructed so that's a great question um so along with the uh downtown stationary plant update they're also be looking at the traffic this this traffic model is done actually with the old version of the scta traffic model the new model has not been completed yet or if it i think it's just being completed so we'll have to analyze the use of the roundabouts with that new model as well um it may show that they are needed it may show that they are not needed but we wanted to preserve the right to be able to put these traffic circles in if they are in fact needed in the future okay and then one more question about morgan and sixth and the on ramp to 101 yes so if this project goes forward and um does add a lot of residents and pedestrians to that um intersection is there any kind of plan to put in a dedicated left turn signal for traffic on six street that's coming um west from um the west end district coming eastbound to turn left onto the on ramp yes right now that's kind of a um it can be a harry intersection depending on what time of day you're trying to cross there on foot or on bike yeah we have the initial design is that does take consideration the ability to actually add the left turn phasing at that intersection okay good thank you all right i think that's all i've got for you can i either do other commissioners have anything for the traffic engineer right now while he's up here yeah vice chair weeks so in the staff report rob it talks about temporary closure of seventh street during construction uh and my assumption is that's seventh between a and morgan or is it further is it more than that i'm going to refer to the applicant okay well then when the applicant comes down i'll re-ask the question okay anything else from traffic right now okay and you want fire okay so my question for the fire department so i don't know if you wrote the letter read the letter but it that's included in appendix k of the um eir about public safety it says that the project has the um potential to increase number of department calls by nearly 200 a year over the existing the calls to the existing facilities and that's going to put extra burden on engine one and or engine 11 which are already at capacity yes i mean similar to any project that would bring this type of density in this type of facility or apartment complex more people more calls it's all specifically done on density of population being served we looked at the family center we run about two calls a month to that facility we run about a dozen calls to the navigation center a month so yes there's going to be an increase in our in our services to this facility in particular but it's going to be offset from other locations that those services are being brought here so there's a bit of a trade-off the other thing is is we've been working with catholic charities on their other facilities and we will and already working on this facility about enhanced medical staff on site um and in hopes to work them up to a full med f facility where this will enter people patients into the ems system without necessarily calling a fire fire engine out they'll have trained staff that can handle a multitude of calls without calling 911 they will basically be starting the bms procedures there and then transporting them to an ambulance and onto the facilities that they need to go to so yes overall we do see an impact to our call volume to this particular site but it's not significant enough that's going to over impact our current services there you know we we're already working on how to alleviate some of the call volume to station one and station 11 and in our overall coverage plan okay thank you and i think the same appendix also said that two of the measures that are potentially you're going to look at taking to alleviate some of the stress on those two engine companies would be adding extra personnel for the trucks when they come out so the the time spent at the incident is lessened and or doing a separate rescue squad correct those are some of the measures that i talked about that that we're looking at not specific to this project but to the downtown core services and so are those things in the works are they being budgeted for or what's the time frame for putting those into action i don't have the the information to answer that question i know we recently had a staffing study that was brought to the council and that those are items that we're working on because it's not not just the department it also be a labor management type uh mo u contract contractual okay thank you any other questions of fire okay and did you have questions of police or engineering general nothing anybody else have any other question yeah vice chair weeks so i have a question for captain cregan or lieutenant becker becker sorry um regarding uh the calls for service while the department's coming down it i just wanted to give you some information that might answer your question on page 3.12-4 of the eir there is an analysis related to both fire and police emergency response and quantifies the number of existing calls relative to the project site area thank you good evening um so you've indicated that you would anticipate an increase in calls for service um would you be working with the uh with catheterities and burbank as fires indicating that they are going to be working with them to help alleviate some of those calls for services and would you anticipate maybe less calls for services somewhere else is that kind of a silly question no it's not a silly question but i think you do have to consider that the likelihood of handling less calls somewhere else is likely versus the because of the volume of the people that are going to be there and then working with our partners um is been a huge success so i think internally they haven't figured out for us yes we are going to probably be there more or handle more calls in that area um statistically i have some statistics for you but um i think it'll counterbalance itself yeah i think the only thing that i can add to that is we just have a strong uh history with catholic charities here in santa rosa and working very collaboratively with the police department our downtown enforcement team literally speaks to with their team every single day and works to address the issues and uh chief navarro and myself meet with uh their chief program officer jeniel in holmes on a weekly basis discussing these issues and uh we're optimistic that this strong relationship is going to be able to address those issues and mitigate any of the calls for service in that area and you still have the downtown office is that correct correct so we have the downtown substation and we just increased our staffing on the downtown enforcement team from four officers to six officers and that's something that will continue to make a priority thank you any other questions of police okay great thank you any other questions of staff how about questions for the applicant yeah vice chair weeks has some so some of these questions are going to cross uh probably burbank and catholic charities lines so i don't know who if you both want to come down so my question uh that i asked uh the traffic engineer about the seventh street closure uh the tina wallis again the closure is only between morgan street and a street and then uh when you had your neighborhood meetings what was the attendance like i'm going to ask for help from jeniel in holmes answering that question please we've had a variety of neighborhood meetings over the years um they range in the amount of people that are there based on any current issues happening but we have at times had maybe two and it's also ranged up to 50 at times over the years thank you uh don't go far so yeah actually i think the other questions i have might be for uh burbank i've got a quick one for yeah sure was she's up there probably for catholic charities go ahead so this specific issue is beyond the purview of the planning commission but um have these outreach meetings discussed design of the project specifically yes we've actually had a couple turned a couple of our quarterly meetings that we have in the neighborhood as part of the compliance with our conditional use permit where we have presented some initial concepts uh our architects uh came down and actually presented some of those things and got some initial uh feedback in that arena we've also been before uh the design review board and culture herds board twice already prior to this thank you okay do you want to move on to burbank vice chair weeks oh yeah commissioner carter can you speak to how you'll deliver services during construction of the new facility or what will happen to the delivery of services on the site yeah we are not um we will not be discontinuing services during the construction that's why the project is in uh especially particularly the housing is in phase one and phase two so that we can that was our plan to be able to continue services while construction happens i'm just going to add on to that one um from my perspective in continuing those services with the conditional use permit in place and all the things that you try to do to protect the neighborhood what what strategy do you have for that because that could be very different than what how you're trying to navigate protecting the neighborhood and meet the conditions of your conditional use permit for non-newsense so do you have a plan for that during construction yeah so i can talk a little bit about operations and then maybe burbank our project manager can talk about any of the specifics around construction so in terms of the interim operations and how will we uh continuing that will uh continue all of the things that are in our good neighbor policy um and just to kind of note the good neighbor policy something we implemented voluntarily it's actually not in our conditional use permit but it's something we believe in and so we put in all of our program agreements as an extra um ability to manage and deal and coordinate with the surrounding neighborhood so we will continue all those things we also have security on site uh for the facility and we would continue that security during the um during the actual uh construction phase additionally i don't believe we're proposing to do anything outside of our existing footprint during construction we'll keep everything there on site um and continue to manage this the neighborhood impact from an operational standpoint um as we do so right now um and if there's any particular construction things we have our project manager who might be able to answer that okay yeah next year weeks i have one more question back last century uh when the homeless service center first started there was a neighborhood council have you thought about reinstituting something like that uh with the increase of operation um yeah it could definitely be something we would be happy to consider i think uh you know we like i mentioned have pretty consistent individuals that come to our neighborhood meetings which we're very grateful for um we'd be happy to even look at another more formal way to do the outreach including something like that one of the benefits this project has uh come and i wasn't necessarily even anticipating is the closer relationships we've actually created with the neighborhood with some of the door-to-door canvassing and uh more people are now involved in wanting to understand our current operations and how they can be part of future operations so that would definitely be something i think we'd be happy to consider and implement anything else from catholic charities okay and you're moving on to burbank now some questions for uh burbank um when you talked about the oh sorry mark so when you talked about the cdbg dr money um what do you have to have in place to actually make application for that and what can they be used for um you know can that money be used for site work as well as construction so you know yet we don't know the details yet um what i have heard is the prohibition for using cdbg the standard prohibition for using cdbg for construction is waived you may recall that um generally you can't use that for construction you're limited to acquisition and site work but with the dr money i understand you can use it for construction um in terms of what we need to apply it looks like um makin's gonna bail me out here ryan let him suffer through that um so we're still waiting for written direction from the state but the general guidelines that the state of california has provided us thus far in the action plan is that it can be used for new construction and particularly in santa rosa which was allocated 38.5 million new construction of multifamily rental housing there's a minimum project size of eight units there are minimum affordability levels um so if you have a small project it has to be half affordable targeting the lowest income levels and then the state has also layered on per unit subsidies so there is a certain amount that will be capped per unit that we can provide in assistance and we're waiting for more information to come forward from the state on how that will be implemented on a project by project basis do you have any idea when that will occur when you'll actually get the allocation and be able to start allocating the state indicated we would have the information in february we're hopeful maybe march but i think realistically summer of 2020 okay thank you and one more question for more uh on timing issues uh and your timeline if the council approves everything on tuesday when would you be able to start site work do you think start the what the site work start site work um we're looking at about this time next year thank you any other questions of yeah commissioner indian yeah this is a more of an operational question i think in the documents it talks about uh burbank housing has guidelines about how many people can live in each of the different types sizes of units like one person in a studio i believe and i think it averages 2.7 over all your unit sizes um and you the residents sign a contract um that they understand and follow all the rules and this um i thought of this question because of a comment from one of the neighbors wondering about um how you know people have overnight guests or family members come from out of town are they limited to how long they can stay they're thinking more of the impact on the neighborhood as far as parking and um more people in the building and so what are the guidelines around that um bonnie madow who's our deputy director of property management is standing next to me and she'll answer that for you thank you good evening yes um when they sign a lease it it is part of it on occupancy you have two different questions their occupancy we follow the guideline which is one per bedroom minimum up to two per bedroom plus one in the unit maximum so a studio could have it has no bedroom we will allow a couple in a studio that's it you know two or and the one bedroom it's one person minimum to two people three people maximum one to three two bedroom these are only studios one and two so the two bedroom is two to five people maximum that's it so when we have a plan set up that if they exceed that if they're in that one bedroom they have more than three people that you know they have a couple moves in have a baby and then baby number two is coming we put them on a list to transfer them to the next unit that comes available that's appropriately sized they hit that family of six they're going to be given notice to relocate but they get six months to find that other other housing and because it'll be attached to catholic charities we'll have that resource in order to help them find that other location that's a more appropriate size department as far as guests we have a very strict guest policy in the lease we need to know who's in the building we need because it's a safety thing it's also if there's an emergency we need to know who to account for so we ask them to um if they have somebody they know people know after our visitors come they're going to stay more than a couple days this is their home we want their visitors their family their friends to come visit but if they're going to stay more than a couple of days they need to notify management and they can't stay more than two weeks ever in one calendar year then they need to move on that's how we kind of control how many people we don't suddenly have these extra people when the manager becomes aware of an extra person that's around too much we see the car too often we ask the question and there's a policy there's a procedure there's warnings they're given many opportunities to correct the situation so they stay in compliance and that's how we kind of control how many people are on in the building and on the property yeah commissioner kripke uh yeah i was just looking at the housing action plan do you have any concepts or as of right now i know it's still early on in the process of um how many of the units you allocate towards the different levels of affordability and income um i can answer that very specifically for phase one housing and then generally for phase two for phase one housing we have 30 of the 64 units are at 20 percent area median income and those are the homeless dedicated units and then the mix of the balance are 50 percent am i and 60 percent am i and then for phase two we have kind of a handshake agreement with catholic charities that we want to do about 50 percent of the units homeless dedicated and then the others would be like phase one not homeless dedicated but um probably in that same kind of range of 50 and 60 percent is that was that responsive do you yes thank you any other questions for burbank uh yes chairs just go yeah certainly uh while you have the applicant still the commission excuse me may wish to consider one last opportunity for the applicant to provide additional information or clarification regarding the alternative and the feasibility of that you heard from staff how the alternative was analyzed it was selected and you heard from staff in our recommendation and throughout the presentation that our conclusion was that the alternative was infeasible based on information provided by the applicant and that the project on balance is the the preferred project hence our recommendation but while the applicants hear this may be one last opportunity then for them to provide additional information or clarification if the commission pleases i think we probably all appreciate that so but just before we get to that any other questions of anybody no okay great this wealth thank you i'm gonna just take a moment and um reiterate something that the city attorney said and that's the definition of feasibility under siqua an alternative has to be feasible and siqua defines feasible feasible means capable of being accomplished in a successful manner within a reasonable period of time taking into account economic environmental legal social and technological factors and what the applicants have told you tonight is that the alternatives are not feasible because they are not capable of being accomplished in a successful manner within a reasonable period of time mr. bangsburg our project manager submitted a letter estimating that uh alternative three would cause a delay in the project by at least 15 months if i remember correctly um the the impact of that delay to the project as you heard earlier is very significant to the funding and it jeopardizes the funding sources not only would that delay um it's infeasible because of the delay and not only would the delay jeopardize existing funding that's been secured as you've heard it delays the ability to get other forms of funding as you've heard in addition to that the project would be subjected to um escalating construction costs construction costs are currently escalating at a rate of four percent per year so all the funds to develop the project are put at risk the cost to build the cod project is increasing so it's a double whammy that makes these alternatives infeasible for because of the delay that it would cause i just want to skim my notes and see um also as um miss kendall spoke the loss of the new market tax credits and she can certainly address this in more detail and better detail than i can but the new market tax credits have a two-year look back and the loss the longer the project is delayed the more things that the that fall off the list out of the time window that they're able to consider so the two point two five million dollar cost of alternative three um would be exacerbated exacerbated by the increasing in construction costs and it would jeopardize the funding so we the applicants position is is that these alternatives are not feasible because of the delays that they would cost and i see that miss kendall is here and i'm going to ask her to talk for a moment more about the new market tax credits because it has such a significant impact on the project the caritas center yeah specifically i mean i will i will say i i truly have grave concerns about the impact that alternative three would have um on our existing funding that has been committed that has very specific timeframes about when we need to take certain actions as well as the funding that we are applying for there are a number of them what that would be significantly affected or delayed by alternative three as well as specifically the new market tax credits would um would have major expenses of the project to date that would no longer be eligible for those tax credits would which would frankly it would be um grave it would be very very significant for the project and just as a follow-up note the two point two five million dollar um estimated cost escalation of alternative three only it's incredibly conservative because it only took into consideration the cost escalation for caritas homes or excuse me caritas center it did not take into consideration the cost escalation for caritas homes so that's an incredibly conservative number i'll be happy to answer any other questions about the alternatives but i think it's clear that they're not feasible for the applicants any questions up miss swallis at this point okay thank you any other questions of staff before we start discussing it okay not seeing any right now okay so um what i'm going to ask that we do is that uh as somebody move the uh eir um certification recommendation resolution for the purposes of discussion um i think what we should do is just discuss the project generally in connection with this and then we'll figure out the rest from there but to try to get a sense of where the commission is how they're feeling about the project and so so with that would somebody like to move the resolution this is the short one okay vice chair weeks is going to move it move a resolution of the planning commission of the city of san aroza recommending that the city council certify the final environmental impact report for the caritas village project file number prj 18-052 and waive for the reading of the text i'll second okay so that was moved by commissioner i mean vice chair weeks seconded by commissioner okrepki um vice chair weeks you want to start the discussion and we should be speaking to um the adequacy of the eir as well as discussing the project so if you could do that i think we've had a long discussion about the adequacy of the eir um and i really unless one of my fellow commissioners comes up with something else i really have nothing further to say on it well we're also discussing the project so yeah i'm sorry i wanted to talk about the adequacy so we don't forget that because they always get so involved in okay no no no okay do the adequacy and then start talking about how you feel about the project okay um i am supportive of the project uh i i think the benefits outweigh uh the significant and unavoidable impacts um if the homes that were considered are considered eligible for the local register and contributors had been you know maintained over the years and moving them might have been easier but i um i i'm going to go with staff recommendation on the project okay misha peterson uh so i'm gonna i'm gonna try and start broadly and and follow my way down to the eir so if i i miss the eir call me out um i think you know the public comments we've received um both in writing but especially tonight have really emphasized that you know even though we're a land use body a lot of the decisions we make can have pretty profound um moral implications for people's lives and the city as a whole and i will try and stick to the land use context but i i think that that issue is is sort of flowing throughout this this project um i think santa rosa has a in many ways a history of bad planning and i think the preservation district um as was noted by a member of the public arose from that that kind of history of of slash and burn and run a freeway through it and and um i think i want to be respectful of of the reason that these historic districts exist which is you know to preserve these characters and you know sort of at least the design language of that neighborhood and the historic value of the people that live there and the buildings that are there um at the same time uh as was discussed earlier these historic districts aren't museum pieces these are not static fixed in time areas and um we've heard a lot about adaptive reuse and um the evaluation of that option and i just think that these historic districts you know are influenced by the context in which they exist and right now one of those contexts is uh that the city of santa rosa has declared a housing emergency it's declared um a homeless emergency and i think that that is is influences certainly my my consideration as we evaluate whether to you know which recommendations to make tonight um i think the city has done a in and the applicants have done a a good job from what i can tell from of addressing outreach and really going above and beyond whether it's increasing the the distance to which the notices were sent the weekly meetings the other um outreaches they've had with the neighborhood i i don't feel like anyone is is hiding the ball here as to what this project means for um the neighborhood and the potential changes that will will come with it um as a portion of the the saint rosa historic district i think this is a unique location within that district um it is uh sort of a peninsula sticking out and surrounded by um not the most attractive other land uses uh parking garages and and on rants and i i think that when it comes to the demolition of a city block um i think that's that's it can be a a tough call to make um but this is a again a unique location within the historic district this is a unique time in in the city's history and i think that the city and the applicant have done a lot of um work on the front end to try and make this project makes sense for the context in which it's it's coming um in terms of the eir uh i i think that i would have no problem um making the recommendation to certify it i can make the findings that uh are necessary i think it's very thorough i think we've very thoroughly discussed the alternatives that are available um i find it persuasive that it is not feasible the alternatives are not feasible to um achieve the goals again we're in the context of the project itself not the context of anything um that could happen and um so with that i i would make the recommendation to certify the eir okay commissioner kripke um first i just want to say uh i appreciate all the work that's gone into this by everybody and i i don't mean just staff and the applicant who put in a lot of work but our consultants and the neighborhood as well um i think this is some of the most comprehensive public comments we i've seen since i've been on here which has which obviously is the less of everybody up here but um it was impressive to the level of detail and and um interaction that everyone's had and also how positive it's been i i don't think anybody is um is bashing anybody else or anybody is talking down the merits of the concept that i think we all realize that this is needed it's just certain parts of it that don't that certain people have issues with um but the one thing that that does keep sticking with me is is the the initial comment uh by by miss hartman which was uh we decide if not how and we're land use uh a body um we rely on um the experts we rely on staff to give us information and recommendations and then we rely on our own um ability to ask questions to verify that and make our own make these findings um so i look at this and and from a land use perspective i can i can make all the required findings for the eir for everything else the one issue that comes up that kind of sticks in my mind is is um you know comprehensive housing strategy downtown housing homelessness for general uh were um council priorities but in the downtown housing there is a part of it that says preservation of historical districts well that becomes a prioritization of priorities which is not what we do so um and strictly looking at it as a land use issue um which i don't mean to oversimplify it because it is definitely not a simple process and a simple application by any means i can make the required findings to make the recommendation of council to be in support of this project as far as the eir goes i think it was thorough and comprehensive and did a good job explaining all the alternatives and what the different um potential environmental impacts of the project site are um and this is nothing i think catholic charities and burbank housing are both wonderful organizations to do a lot of fine work and they clearly need better facilities to do that work but i have a really hard time being asked to redraw the boundaries of an existing historic district and unless council comes back with um strong guidelines about that i think we're going to continue to see projects kind of trying to encroach on the edges of all of our existing historic districts and that this is not going to be the last time we're going to have to consider a project like this and that frightens me and i don't know what to do about that and i think the fact was that some of these houses were deemed contributors and maybe they were left to fall down around themselves without any kind of tender living care over the years and now it's too late to fix them um but i think that should not have been allowed to happen and it clearly did and i don't know what the answer to that is either so i'm on the fence here because i really you know i think the project if if this project was just adjacent to but not in the district i'd say let's go for it this is great but because it's part of the district boundaries um i'm having a real hard time to reconcile that okay can chicarta i think everybody's articulated well the seriousness of the housing and the homeless problem here and because this project delivers relief in those two areas so well i'm generally inclined to support the project i think the number of approvals necessary for the project to go forward um hence at the gravity of the land use decision we're making we're changing a lot of city policy in order to allow this project to move forward but in the end based on the thoroughness of the um environmental report staff's work what i've heard from the the applicants i i do believe that the the benefits to the community do override the acknowledged laws of historical resources and we should not take that lightly i i know staff has said we're lucky in that we only have to think about land use and not how it's implemented but i believe the the mitigation measures that address the the mitigation of the of the significant impact need to be taken into consideration as the projects go back to the uh hr what is it a c hb the cultural board and the design board um it needs to look at how the project can have a positive effect on the surrounding neighborhood and implementing some of our downtown plans and implementing the pedestrian improvements that are talked about around it and in acknowledging the historic fabric that exists in that part of town and how it's been changed so i i hope the council can make some conditions that uh really focus in on the how the project is executed in a way that that furthers uh what we need to happen in this part of town and you find the hour to be adequate i don't know if i i do believe the hour okay good properly prepared and is adequate okay i also can find recommend the certification of the eir i don't think any of us take this lightly at all in terms of a historic district being impacted in this way um i think as commissioner peterson said you know we're in the middle of a housing crisis and a homeless emergency those are the top two uh issues in the city at this point and goals of the council to to do something about it this is a project that will certainly isn't going to solve everything but it's a very critical project at a critical time i've had the privilege of being up here a long time and being able to um a c project a project going to the saint rose neighborhood where there really was a win-win that could work um we preserved uh the zoning so uh and i'm talking about the boar center uh that was a different time it was a market rate project one of the things that i was thinking about um was in our downtown station area plan when we were reading what whatever the obstacles been to development well the obstacle has been that the costs of construction and don't match the the the amount of the market rate rents that can be got and that isn't going to change and so here comes a project that will provide downtown affordable housing and the financing mechanisms are so complex and so time sensitive that um it's not the kind of world where we can afford to to not pay attention to that you know in an ideal world that would be somebody else's problem but the the findings are specific that we we you know for the statement of overriding considerations we can look at the social the economic the technical technical impacts and i think that's what we're doing here and um i don't take it lightly that we would be demolishing those structures i don't think that we're setting a precedent because in order to do something like this we have to come up with really strong findings and a really strong statement of overriding considerations because we would be impacting you know the other policies and i think that's been done here so i don't think any other potential developer in a historic district is going to go oh wow you know open country here i just don't think that's going to happen i think the seriousness of what we're doing is captured in terms of the of the historic district and i think because of the zoning overlay we're not taking the project out of the historic district it will still be there it would still be subject to review by the cultural heritage board i think that's why the zoning and keeping the historic overlay is also very very important so for me um it's just an important project at a critical time in an emergency time and i can i can um find the eir adequate and i'll be supporting the project as uh staff has introduced it so do you want to say anything else commissioner dug in i would like to ask council for guidance about um projects that are within historic districts like this because i i don't think that this is going to be the last one way here and i know each one is going to be compelling in its own way and i think that that's how you lose your the historic properties in your town you know that just you know you start nibbling away at the edges and pretty much there's nothing much left except for the you know the kind of the disney disney landification of the historic um things in your in your neighborhood yeah i i think the concerns that i heard you know from individuals that live in other historic districts is they're concerned about is this a precedent setting thing and so you know i definitely think the council can be taking that up but i know i'd feel with the statement of overriding considerations that's going to to make an impression that's what has to be found in order to do something like this i don't think every project that could potentially come forward is going to have these two components of homeless and services and affordable housing that makes it a really critical different unique project at a very unique time so that but that's just my opinion okay all right so we're ready to take a vote on the eir so that was moved by vice chair weeks seconded by commissioner oak crepeki your votes please and then uh that passes with six eyes and next we're going to go on to resolution number two which is the recommendation for the adoption of findings of fact in the mitigation monitoring let's somebody like to move that get in on the short ones while you can if you only get harder for me so i'll move a resolution of the planning commission of the city of san ariza recommending that the city council adopt findings of fact mitigation monitoring and reporting program and statement of overriding considerations for the caritas village project file number prj 18-052 and wave for the reading and do i have a second i'll second great okay so that was moved by commissioner peterson seconded by uh commissioner oak crepeki any other discussion on the statements anybody want to make anything about that commissioner dug in um if i intend to vote no on the project as a protest vote i acknowledge but because of my concerns with the historic districts i i understand i can vote yes on some of the things and i'm just asking uh staff for guidance here like which one is the one that i vote no on for the project the tentative map if you're wanting to recommend alternative an alternative to the project or you're just wanting to vote no on the project i'm wanting to vote no on the project i understand that there's no support for the alternative then i think it would be a recommendation against each of the following resolutions at this point you have moved to you can certify the eir and then the rest would be you would vote against okay thank you okay any other discussion on this okay so that was moved by commissioner peterson seconded by commissioner oak crepeki and your votes please and that passes uh with five eyes commissioner dug in voting no and i neglected to say this on the last motion but uh commissioner call you abstaining resolution number three is for our general plan amendment and here's where we're getting longer so you might want to take turns i'll move the resolution of the planning commission of the city of sanarosa recommending that the city council amend the general plan for the cartas village project from medium density residential and retail and business services to transit village mixed use for the properties at 431 437 439 465 a street and 506 512 516 520 600 608 and 612 morgan street assessor's parcel numbers 010-041-001 004 005 008 009 010 011 013 014 015 016 017 018 019 020 file number prj18-052 and wait for the reading second that was the general plan amendment was moved by commissioner peterson seconded by uh commissioner oak crepeki and your votes please and that's going to pass with five eyes commissioner dug in voting no and commissioner call you abstaining and now we have the specific plan amendment resolution i'll go ahead and uh move a resolution of the planning commission of the city of sanarosa recommending that city council amend the downtown station area specific plan for the caritas village project to include all project parcels within the courthouse square sub area and specify a roundabout diameter widths of 80 feet at sixth street may street and seventh and a street intersections for the properties at 431 437 439 465 a street and 506 512 516 520 600 608 and 612 morgan street assessor's parcels numbers 010-041-001 004 005 008 009 010 011 013 014 015 016 017 018 019 020 file number prj18-052 and wait for the reading of the text all second okay so the specific plan amendment was moved by commissioner oak crepeki seconded by commissioner peterson any discussion on that not seeing any your votes please and that passes with five eyes commissioner dug in voting no and commissioner callia being abstaining okay rezoning resolution i moved the resolution the planning commission of the city of sanarosa recommending to the city council rezoning of caritas village project properties located at 431 437 439 465 a street and 506 512 516 520 600 608 and 612 morgan street assessor's parcel numbers 010-041-020 010-041-004 010-041-005 010-041-019 010-041-008 010-041-009 010-041-010 010-041-011 010-041-017 010-041-018 010-041-013 010-041-014 010-041-015 010-041-016 and 010-041-001 to the transit village mixed friends tv-m-ah-sa zoning district file number prj 18-052 and wait for the reading okay thank you yeah it's helpful to me if you say it so thank you i am getting used to this but i like to hear it so okay so the rezoning resolution was moved by commissioner peterson seconded by vice chair weeks any discussion on that okay i just want to say that um when i was very early on on the commission uh we were working with the morse center which did impact the uh saint rose neighborhood and um at that time dav johnson was a planning commissioner he since passed away just about six months ago but he uh he taught me the importance of rezoning that's when i first learned like how important that is how important it is to consider it why it is i always ask for if we're going to rezone out of a policy document into something else that i see all of that so just to call out to how great a guy he was so okay so with that that was moved by commissioner peterson seconded by vice chair weeks and your votes please why is this not working you did okay okay there we go okay we somebody's missing okay start over oh okay that passes with have i been counting them wrong all this time and saying five eyes i'm sorry if i have it was okay said it i'm sorry there's only six of us here so i think i've been calling out the wrong numbers so whatever okay so that was moved by uh commissioner crepe be seconded by vice chair weeks and your votes please so that passes with five eyes okay good i'm doing all right uh commissioner dug in voting no and commissioner call you having abstained okay now we're on to the tentative map okay commissioner carter dive in i move the resolution of the planning commission of the city of san aroza recommending the city council approve a tentative parcel map for the caritas village project located at four three one four three seven four three nine four six five a street and five oh six five one twelve five one two five one six five two oh six oh oh and six oh eight and six twelve morgan street assessors parcel numbers zero one zero four zero two zero zero one zero four zero zero four zero one zero four one zero zero four zero one zero zero four one zero zero five zero one zero zero four one zero one nine zero one zero zero four one zero zero eight zero one zero zero four one zero zero nine zero zero four one zero one five zero one zero zero four one zero one six and zero one zero zero four one zero zero one okay a second from somebody after all that work okay great so that was moved by Commissioner Carter seconded by commissioner oh crepe key any other discussion on that okay your votes please and that passes with five eyes commissioner Duggan voting no and commissioner Kalyia abstaining last but not least the conditional use permit resolution okay vice chair weeks you it's your turn yeah move a resolution of the planning commission of the city of Santa Rosa making findings and determinations and recommending that the city council approve a minor use permit for an emergency shelter for the caritas village project located at 431-437-439-4658 Street and 506-512-516-520-600 608 and 612 Morgan Street assessors Parcel Numbers 010041-020 010-041-004 010-041-005. 010-041-019 010-041-008. 010-041-009. 010-0041-0031ров. 0100-041-011, 010-041-017, 010-041-018, 010-041-013, 010-041-014, 010-041-015, 010-041-016, and 010-041-001, file number PRJ18-052, and wait for the reading of the text. I'm glad I got new glasses. Okay, do I have a second? I'll second. Okay, so that was moved by Commissioner Weeks, seconded by Commissioner Okrepke. Any other discussion? Okay, we will be voting soon. And that passes with five ayes. Commissioner Duggan voting no, and Commissioner Kahlia abstaining. And I believe that concludes all of our items. And thanks everybody for all your hard work and all your comments. It's been a long night. So with that, I'll adjourn to whenever our next meeting is, which I think is late in March. And now you can't applaud.