 Yeah, so where do we think about where should our future investments go in terms of building facilities? What do we do about the people who are already incarcerated? And then what do we do about the individuals? who may find themselves Institutionally involved because I think that when you think about the discussion part of it is about the philosophy around building more Institutions and you know many of us have heard the stat of they determine how many jails to build based on Test grade. Yeah, great test scores. And then we think about the people who are Currently incarcerated and then you think about the people who will need to cross your threshold And what do you think about in terms of preventative? So I just wonder if you can kind of walk through all three of those Well the conversation and how you think about them first I'm gonna say that these are my personal opinions, you know at the end of the day Any judge has to follow the law. So it's not like I can just you know throw statutes to the wind and do what I want Obviously my personal opinion is is very much in the middle so I do I'm not a big fan of private prisons because Just seems like a slippery slope when a for-profit entity is Internal prison, you know because there's incentive to send people to prison, but So I do think we need prisons because I do think No, I know That I have seen with my own eyes and experienced people that I don't want to send back into anyone's neighborhood I Also think that there are Money as well spent in those alternative sentencing spaces So I'm you know squarely in the middle and I also think that We need to Think you can almost look at this and we're here. They're economists here Even if you come at this issue from an allocation of resources and spending money Perspective because so I was a trial court judge in an urban County and I would go to judicial conferences and the resources the options that I had for sentencing Were infinitely more Than in a rural of where you could send people. Oh, yeah, because you know in a rural County sometimes it's prison Prison or probation and those are there's no nothing in the middle And so you know that could be a hard choice And so but even with it I could only give people so many chances Because I couldn't create more beds. And so at some point I had to say I can't give you any more chances Because there's somebody else that needs that bed in the mental health hospital or Someone yes that treatment facility or someone who needs that space at the community-based corrections facility So it's about how we allocate not only our people, but also our money You know at one time to and I'm not sure I haven't checked the numbers recently But at one time it was more expensive to house someone in a prison than it was tuition at Ohio State And doesn't that sound backwards, right? You know So I think that we need to make up our minds, you know, do we want to be? Rehabilitative or do we want to be punitive and then we allocate our resources accordingly? what about people who are currently incarcerated and What do you think about should we be revisiting sentences for people on say marijuana charges? Should we be looking at reduced sentences? Should we you know during COVID a number of people were released Are there ways that we should be thinking about the current? Prison population in jail population. Well, let me ask you a question. Yeah Do you want to be judged for something that you did at 20? Given that we went to college together Yeah You know, you know Oh, yes, my 21st birthday. Yes. Yeah, my 21st birthday left marks on the wall Anyway But you see what I'm saying. So like, you know from that era you had people with a little bit of weed that's still You know that that are still incarcerated and they had a little bit of weed at 20 and they're still in there at 40 Oh my gosh And you know certain certain crimes are bad enough That somebody should do something at 20 and still be in there at 40 in my opinion But there are others that I don't think that they they should Because I know personally Well, I look at back at myself and I was one person at 18 another at 25 Another at 30 another at 35 and you know now honestly at 48 You know, I know my strengths and weaknesses and I know was gonna change and what isn't and the thought of You know You had a dime bag three times in your 20s and now you're still in your 40s in prison That's kind of tough to swallow It doesn't it doesn't make a lot of sense and it's not necessarily how I want my tax dollars spent