 Welcome to Toffy TV, well with the imminent arrival of Vitaly Michaelenko. It looks like Leuchadine's days at Everton Football Club may be numbered, and of course he's not been playing in the side that has been a fallout with him and Rafa Benita. So what now for Leuchadine? What happens to him now? Where does his future lie? Well it seems to lie away from Everton, doesn't it? That's where the state of play is right now. He's been out the side since the Massey side derby. He had a nightmare in the Massey side derby, Salah tore him apart, which to be fair to Salah he does the most. Since then there's clearly been an misunderstanding or a disagreement or whatever. There's been stories in the press that he's challenged the manager openly in training sessions and stuff and there's been a breakdown between them. It's resulted in him not being in the squad, the side or the squad. And then we had obviously last week we had Rafa Benita's before the Chelsea games saying that Dean was in the 11 that he picked and then the next day reported ill. So therefore wasn't in the squad. And then to carry it on you've got Leuchadine posting pitches on Instagram on at the weekend saying hard way continues and all that but clearly there's a division at the moment. The only way a guest to Healy is either a clear the air meeting or something or for Dean simply just to get his head down and work his bollocks off and trying to get back in the side. But you know we've got a left back coming in, 22 year old left back from Dynamo Kiev for a favour round £20 million. A couple of years ago you'd have gone well that's excellent because we're spending money we're strengthening the squad but we know that money with FFP is tight so for everything to be spending that it's difficult not to think Dean is on his way. Yeah, it's not a great situation just because of I suppose the attention it brings to the football club. I don't have any issues with telling Leuchadine. I like him, I think he's a good player. I do think he's lost that consistency though, I know the numbers tell a different story but I think when you do watch players you don't always see the numbers but you see the impact just generally they have on a game. Numbers will tell you one thing but he's not the same player, he hasn't been the same player a lot of 2021. I think the injury, I think he's just not the cover property from the injury. Possibly he came back quite quick from that injury and he just doesn't look the same player, he doesn't seem to have the same kind of mobility when you just watch him on the eye. I know he still makes a lot of chances, it's time for people to take those chances but he just hasn't looked the same player and I don't think, don't get me wrong that's not a reason to sell him but as a 28 year old turning 29 at the end of the season I'd look at him now thinking if we could get 30 million for him I think that would be great business. He signed a new contract not so long ago so his money will be, his money will be, we wanted high standards at the club and I think if you can replace him then that would be good business and business that we talk about a lot of the time about doing. My only reservation is when to sell him, now it might be a case of that we have to sell him in January to get the money in, maybe get, you know, because you're always looking at players and thinking who we're going to sell, you know, we don't want to sell one of the, one of the, you know, the big name players, Dominic Harvelyn with Charleston, even a Jordan Pickford at this stage. So it would be this ideal situation I suppose, selling a player who's unhappy, who's not, who's may have fell out with the manager and there's a replacement thing coming, that would seem like sensible business. I just think about, I just think that wouldn't it be nice if we did keep holding for the rest of the season and that give us a beddinging period for Michael then Cole. With that might not happen and it might just, that might just be one of those things. You can't have everything you want, but it's certainly rather that than, you know, if that was the scenario, I think that would be a great scenario, because for Dean, you know, I think Luca Dean, what he's done is, he's been at some top clubs, PSG, you know, Roma, Barcelona, but he's always been second fiddle. He's come to Everton, he's been first choice to help them get back into the France squad. He obviously missed the last World Cup, which would have, you know, he would have been, you know, he won the World Cup, he would have obviously been very bitterly sad to have missed that, not being part of that. He went to the Euros, picked up an injury at the Euros, in the game he went out. He'd only been on pitch five minutes hadn't he? So he wants to play in that World Cup and I think being at Everton was obviously, well I'm playing every week, I'm going to be in the manager's thoughts, because I'm playing every week and he knows that I can be regular and I'm always available. But if he isn't playing for Everton, then, you know, you look at Everton's situation, you look at teams he could possibly be playing for, you know, this is a lad who could go to a lot of top clubs in Europe in the second half of the season, because he isn't cup tied. You know, you look at someone like, Chelsea's being mentioned, obviously Chillwell's got that injury, he's going to be out for the rest of the year. You know, if that means that he can go to World Cup, because he's had a club like Chelsea he needs, we do rotate and he will get chances, not saying he will go to Chelsea by the way. PSG, you know, you look at them and think that'll be the competition's there and that'll be an ideal fifth firm as well. This is the irony of it, he probably will end up going to a really good club, but that's good for us because we can probably get good money for him and that will help our situation massively. Listen, he's a fantastic player. He's been really good for Everton, he's had more games for Everton than anyone else. You know, when he's career Everton, he's played 110 games in the Premier League for Everton, he's got four goals and, you know, while at Everton he's picked up a lot of his 43 caps of France, so it's been good for him, coming from Everton. Ironically, the only other team, he was practically the mainstay, he was Roman's, he was only there for a year on loan and then Barcelona bought him and he had a couple of years of Barca and he ended up playing 29 games for them in two seasons for coming to Everton. You know, there is some big clubs you could do with them, it's that thing sometimes with football, it's mad, whereas you're looking at Everton and going well, of course you should be in Everton to see where Everton are and he should be, but where Everton are and what Everton need may be two totally different things. You're right, I'd love him to stay, I'd love him to just go, you know, I was long awake, my bollocks off and all that. Get me down and carry on playing and get back to what he was, but some people will tell you he's not been the same player for 18 months, you know, we had a really good opening in two seasons. I think he started last season under Anciolot, he really well and then he got the injury and he's not quite picked up. Yes, this season he's still created, I think the most chances without Regist and Assist and then other people will tell you he's not been allowed to get forward the way he wants to do. There's a little bit of a conflict there because I think you'd have to accept who the manager is and then what the manager wants you to do. So if we're putting trust in, we're as in the owner in Raphael Benitez, the players have to kind of do what he wants for the team. It doesn't always, it doesn't always down to what you want to do. If Luca Dean doesn't want that fight, footballers fall out of favour of lots of clubs, remember? If you want to use this manager as an example, there were people at Jaby Alonso, he was incredible but he wasn't doing what Benitez wanted to do and he ended up selling. He went off, he tried to get Gareth Barry, it didn't work out and then Alonso went, not long after and that's the way it is with some managers. It's salad, the brain, the car, people like that, it's a really good place. Whatever happened to one of them, exactly. But I think the other side of this thing though, you'd absolutely right, Dean's 29 and so you're like, for him, you know, Michael Beck's age and to Michael Beck is very good at posting his stats and this, that and the other and he's getting other clubs. I think he wants them at another club. One more big move, big wedge for Beck, Dean playing at one of those clubs you mentioned, Champions League and all of that. I haven't miles away from that at the moment. 29 is his last big move, he'll be in the summer. To me that's why it doesn't feel like the end of the world to me because it is a case of looking at both sides and saying, you know, you don't want to lose, you don't want to lose good plays, your best plays and I still hold them as one of our best plays. But there's the other side to me and things. Is he really what we need in terms of if you've got a case of bringing players in and you need to sell people, is he really what we need? Is he going to make that much of a difference where we are right now in terms of the player we bring in? We can bring a player in and we can bring a player in for, you know, 10 million less than we get him for plus we're playing over five years. A lot less than wages. And also I think of a 22-year-old kid who just wants his chance in the Premier League and you can shape who's prepared to do anything for what the manager wants against the 28-year-old who's been around some of the big clubs in the world who knows what he wants in his head. I don't think at this moment we need that conflict at the club and I know most people will come from it from the side of the Luchadines side. Exactly. And I fully understand that. But that's not the reality. The reality is the manager is more likely to stay than Luchadines because he's the manager and it seems like he's holding all the cards at once. And one might want to stay more than the other as well, by the way. One can go somewhere else, you know, one can go somewhere else. So to me it is the kind of business I feel like what we've always wanted. It just becomes that thing of like, when you look back it's very easy, when you're in it and you're like, oh, I'll have to sell Luchadines. I don't really want to do that. But I just think that if we can get good money for them and that money goes on not just one player but possibly funding the right back situation as well, certainly in January, then I see that as good business. It would be really sad if it's the way we parted with Dean because I think fans do like him and he is a fan's favourite. But that's just football sometimes, it really is. As we said, if he doesn't want to be here, if he wants to not be here, if he's just looking after his own career, because it's not like we're really building anything. It's not like we're going anywhere very fast. We're trying to, you know, and the manager, listen, ultimately as well, the manager's made the decision. He wants a new left back. He wants a new left back. I mean, the way to... If you say... He doesn't want a new left back, as in, I want a new left back. Do you think this kid will look that? And I don't want to talk too much about it. But do you think he was looked at, as in, he's his replacement, like now or in the summer, regardless? Or has he looked at going, he's a really good backup? Because I just don't see anything at this stage but looking a backup to a 20 million quid. Now, that's what I was saying before. And we know, you know, we've been told to me that Michael Encoe was on Brands' list as well. Benitez, you know, Benitez has got that data spreadsheet thing that monitors players all over the world. And he, the both, were aligned with this one with Michael Encoe. There's another couple who were on Evans' list who was in the same boat. And they'd come up with that now. Benitez has come in and gone. This left back, like a lovely footballer, but he leaves big gaps in the back. And we can see in goals because he doesn't close down or whatever. Yeah, he's great going that way. But the other way, and see if he went to Chelsea and they play three at the back, he'd probably be, because he doesn't have to get, look at these games. You know, watch them over the weekend. He literally plays like a right winger. And he's there right, you know, and we seen that with Chelsea on the country with Victor Moses. Everyone was like, oh, how's he playing in? Yeah, he was great. And I think Dean playing at left wing back. We seen it when he played for us at Wolves that time on the left wing. You know, we had the goals, the assists straight away. And so, and I think you can get away with it in those teams where as Benitez, for whatever reason, might just think, well, he's 29. If we can get him out and replace a right back and a left back with the money for him, and I can mould those two, the team will be better for it. You think of Leicester, you know, Ben Chilwell, Harry Maguire, Drinkwater, Cantay. You know, the list goes on for them as that's self-reinvest, self-reinvest. And we're very much great at going, really smart business. Stop by Leicester, because we're not, innit? So we see a player go out and then they bring him. You go, look at the way they want to do that. We haven't been able to do it. Look at Liverpool over the years, Staling, Suarez, you know. We are one of the worst fanbases for letting go of players. Oh, we can't do it? Like, and I don't mean that as a criticism. No, no. We are just one of the worst. But you know why? It's because we don't get, we haven't had anything, right? So it's not like we don't get into Euro a lot. We don't win anything. We're never in Champions League things and stuff like that. So alls we have left is the players. And so when you've got something and you think, well, I'm not getting anything else, I want to keep him. Do you know what I mean? And if it, there's no trust there. I think that's the word. If, like, lest that I imagine their fans are like, oh, go to do shell on him. I spoke to the Brentford fella the other week, Billy. Billy, lovely fella. And he was talking about that face when Matthew Benham coming and they changed the money ball and stats. He said, not faced. They were like, what, you're selling him? Well, no, no. You're selling him and get big money in. And he, no, it's OK. We'll replace him. He said, and after two or three of them, he started going, was selling Olly Mockens. Oh, great. He's got 30 goals or whatever. And to fella, oh, but we'll buy him this side. And Tony, he'll be all right. He said, then he come in and he's really good. And it's that trust thing, isn't it? Of like, just let us get on with it. I don't think I haven't had any of that. I haven't got none of that in the bank. So that's why you look at it and go, where is this deal? Almost seems like it's actually planned. It's like the thought about it rather than going to Chelsea 30, just say, for argument. Say, January the second, 30 million pound bit for Luca Dean. He wants to go ever and accept it. Right. Yeah, yeah. What left back shall we buy? You know, this almost feels very much like Evan Abaddon. It's pre-empted. So I would welcome this kind of thing moving forward. So if we had to sell. Charlotte Snowdom and the Calvert Lou and Everton Went. I remember you talking about this over the with, like, Liverpool. Get them in before you let the other one go out. So you've got them in and go, look. He'll have done it, wouldn't he? He'll have done it, wouldn't he? You haven't had three in and three in on the door. If you do that and the play, people will go, okay, these look like they know what they're doing and prepare to trust them a little bit. Remember when you did it with Stirling? Remember when you did it with Stirling in the city? He's already brought three or four in. It takes the edge off you. It takes the edge. So if Everton do sell Dean, you know. Well, Michael Enco's going to be announced probably on the face of January when the window opens because he can do it before, but I imagine that's when it will be officially announced. Come on, Christmas Eve. So we'll be our play. So at that moment, we'll have two left backs. The reality is one. And we've got one on loan as well. You've got in Cuncu's doing alright. I'm partly doing alright now. But I just think, listen, I just think, for me, like that, you've just said it perfectly, if we were looking at another football club and we were bringing in a 22-year-old international who's played in Europe, who's teams just won the treble, played four out of the five games in the Euros and he was replacing a 28-year-old who was going to be 29 at the start of next season. I think we'd all go, that's dead smart business and you've got more money for the guy going out and the kick coming in. You'd go, that's really sensible business. All you've got to do now is get more money for the fella going out. That's it. But if we do any fun something else then we can. And that, to me, is dead sensible business. Do I want to see... Lucadine leaves the club? No. Again, that's that fan part of me. But... No, but you never want him. I really like him. I think he's looked like the fan. He really looks like he... Oh, put it this way, put it this way. In 18 months of time, to two years, we can't have this discussion. If he's still playing it out, he then be quits into the charity of Seamus Colmer. He needs replacing. No. There's an opportunity to sell him for good, good money. So I think this time probably fits. And we'll see what happens. We'll see when he goes, where he goes. Especially, like you said, just to finish, if we could get the right back sorted as well with that, I think for this team, regardless of who takes over as the manager or if Benita stays or whatever, to have a right back and a young right back and a young left back in this side of the place you've got, I think it flips the team. You see other teams, you've got young dynamic fullbacks, you can get them down. It changes the way they play. It changes the whole team. It is evident in the very... We just were a bit of a mess, aren't we? Well, who's to say if we had a left back and a right back, who could get up and down? How that would change, you know, the way this manager looks at things in terms of the offensive situation? The balance is the team, no. The team's not balanced. The two fullbacks don't go past the half-way there. Exactly. And that's the other thing you've noticed about him. Sorry, just to finish. Where is, in his opening two seasons, everything was ahead of him. It was out of his feet and forward now. The amount of times he just gives you back to the centre back. And that's not just under Benita's, that was under Carlo as well. And I don't know whether that's because in his own mind, he just thinks, I've got the energy to get up and down. Or whether it's because the manager won't let him. He'll show you won't he. There you go. Let us know your thoughts. What would you do with Llucia Dean? Would you sell him? When would you sell him? Do you want to see him sold? Do you think it's a good move for the club? Getting the money in and, you know, looks like he's been replaced anyway. 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