 Daily Tech News show is made possible by its listeners, thanks to all of you, including DrX17, Dustin Campbell, and Tim Deputy. Coming up on DTNS, why the golden age of TV isn't ending, it's just on repeat. Plus, an open source way to do text generators on the cheap, and Lenovo has its first CES announcement. Merry CES-mas. This is the Daily Tech News for Tuesday, December 20th, 2022 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt. And from Studio Redwood, I'm Sarah Lane. And out of the suburbs of Atlanta, this is Terence Gaines. And on the show's producer, Roger. Oh my friends, we are in the waning days of 2022, but we still have news. We still have things to tell you, so thanks for being with us. Let's start with the quick hits. Amazon completed its Phase 1 rollout of the Matter Smart Home Standard to Echo Devices. This adds Matter support to Echo Devices through Wi-Fi for smart plugs, smart bulbs, and smart switches, but it's only compatible with Android, at least initially. In Phase 2, planned for 2023, Amazon plans to add Matter to more accessories and add support for the Thread Protocol and also iOS. It'll announce more Phase 2 plans at CES. Twitter expanded its pilot for Blue for Business, where select businesses can pay for a subscription that gives them a gold check mark on the business's main account. And now, you'll be able to display a small company badge on employee accounts to show that you indeed work with that organization. Brands will also show a square profile picture rather than a round one to distinguish those accounts. No word on how much Blue for Business is costing, though. Also, Twitter CEO Elon Musk recently announced the platform will make major policy decisions through user votes. And in response to a suggestion on Twitter that only Twitter Blue subscribers be allowed to vote on those decisions, Musk replied, good point. Twitter will make that change. Amazon agreed to settlements on two European Union antitrust cases, which involved treatment of third-party sellers on its platform. As part of the settlement for the next seven years, in the European Economic Area, Amazon agreed to give third-party sellers an equal opportunity to be selected as the default option for its buy box, as well as to qualify for its prime shipping program. Amazon also won't use non-public data about sellers to compete against them. However, the company will not pay a fine. How did they pull that one off? I think Google and Apple would like to know. While the chip shortage has turned into a chip glut in many sectors, in fact, so much so that you're going to hear me try to take credit for my prediction that the chip glut would end in our prediction show, our predictions result show later this month, it has not been resolved for the automotive industry. The Financial Times reports that automakers are still running behind. Auto forecast solutions estimates that automakers will produce 3 million fewer cars in 2023 than they would have if they had all the chips they need. That is an improvement on this year, 2022. We're looking at a 4.5 million shortfall. Auto parts maker Stellantis head Carlos Tavares told Financial Times he thinks shortages will continue throughout most of next year. TikTok will launch a new feature to let users see why a video was recommended in the 4U feeds. Previously, users can see this in the share panel by clicking on a question mark icon labeled Why This Video. Reasons for recommendations include accounts already followed, previous content that was watched, likes or shares, comments, searches and regional popularity. TikTok says it plans to expand the feature to bring more granularity and transparency to content recommendations. That ear, those are. Those are? That is. That is the quick hits. Those are the quick hits. Those are both correct. Your ear heard them. Yes, they're done is the point. So let's talk about Lenovo. What have they got? Okay, so Lenovo announced what it's going to be showing off of CES in a couple of weeks, as Tom mentioned at the top of the show. Lenovo does this. The IdeaPad Slim 5 laptop now lets you choose either an Intel or AMD processor. Intel's version will be called the IdeaPad Slim 5i for Intel. 14-inch versions of the laptops also come with an OLED display. The $350 IdeaPad Flex 3i Chromebook has a 12-inch screen, a 16 by 10 aspect ratio and an option for a backlit keyboard. But the one that's getting the attention is something called the Go desk station with webcam. It's a few things. It's a USB hub, it's a wireless charger, it has a webcam and it's also a lamp. The hub part has a 65-watt USB-C port, a 20-watt USB-C port, two USB-A 3.1 ports and HDMI 2.0 supporting 4K 60 frames per second screens. It also has a 15-watt Qi wireless charging pad and a Lenovo Go 4K Pro webcam that can do 4K up to 30 frames per second with autofocus and autoframing. That sounds like kind of a nifty device, but remember it's also a lamp. The lamp is on a height adjustable rotating arm. It's pretty thin actually. It has three color temperatures and adjustable brightness up to 1600 lux at a half meter. It will be available in March and if you're interested, it's not super cheap. It starts at $329. You know so many people are making a big deal about this but then you told me earlier today the thing that it's for. Yeah it's for hotel rooms. Makes perfect sense. Yeah when I was reading this I was like because yeah there were headlines being like well this is one of those crazy CEO's products you know we get them every year and I'm looking at it and I'm like this is cool. It's a space saver and I want one in every hotel room that I visit from this day forward. It's like a great little you know kind of like a mobile rig that you don't have to pack. Yeah that's what I'm saying is space saver because I do not have a lot of space in my work station and I have a webcam and a lamp and I have a dock where I can plug in multiple USB ports so this could cut that out but I did not think about the hotel and I think that's dope. Yeah yeah although I don't know about the camera with the hotel like maybe there'll be a model that where the camera is optional that might be something Marriott is more likely to buy. Yeah that's well I don't know I mean that more and more people are you know they do they're doing work from maybe doing remote stuff yeah I mean yeah there's probably a little bit of like well how do I trust that the hotel's not spying on me but but you know you could kind of get that using the hotel Wi-Fi anyway. Well you can put a sock on it like they do at the hotels but that I think is for a different reason so never mind. I thought that was on the door never mind never mind rewind rewind. No this is this is definitely I'm happy to see the first weird CES product get announced I don't think it's really that weird either when you look at it's like like you said Terrence it's a space saver it's got great ports like even if it was just a hub a little bit expensive but if it was just a hub a 65 watt port 20 watt port to USB A's like these are kind of the ports that most people need these days not a not a bad product just a little bit on the high end for the price I guess. Yeah I I don't know I I'm not totally in the market for this right now because my rig is just way less space savory but yeah I think it looks nice and. Seville 7 is like why would you want a camera in your hotel room we're assuming you're doing video conferencing for your right right yeah you're sitting at a desk in your you know on zoom kind of thing and you want a nicer camera than the one built into your laptop right or you just don't want to pack you know all that stuff yourself if you are going to a hotel where you know that something like this would be or you're trying to stack your webcam on your laptop on yeah anything you can find to get the high enough to where you don't look like you're looking up your nose during the yeah during the how many ice buckets have I used to stack a webcam on in my life uh yeah and the lighting with the webcam makes a lot of sense we haven't even really mentioned that I feel like it's fairly obvious is that oh because the webcam is in this the lighting can adjust to help your shot like it's designed for it to do that which is really cool too yeah yeah it's maybe for I don't know reading a book but mostly for lighting yourself properly with the webcam I don't know I can do 330 bucks not super cheap like I said but I think it's kind of a nifty product open ai's chat gpt has become quite the tech darling generating lots of conversation literally by asking it to generate a conversation but also people are talking about what it's good at what it isn't so good at yet how it should best be used all sorts of things one thing that seems less discussed though is how much it costs associate professor at university of Maryland tom goldstein did a little back of the envelope calculation and thinks it might be costing open ai about 100 000 per day now that estimate might not be totally accurate might be a little off but it's probably close enough to say with some confidence that chat gpt is expensive to run yeah open ai has said it's expensive even if they haven't given the exact number so we know that there's a new project to try to do text generators on the cheap though you might recognize hugging face as the name of the folks behind the art generator crayon formerly known as dolly mini uh hugging face also backs a workshop called the big science project big science has brought together 600 scientists from 250 institutions in more than 50 countries around the world to study the capabilities of large language models and determine through that study how they can responsibly develop and deploy them the team includes tech folks of course engineers programmers all the people you'd expect but it also has experts in law ethics and public policy as well big science has developed a clever work around to the cost of those llms pedals is the name of its distributed llm it's sort of like folding at home but for generating text it's being developed by folks at hugging face and yandex research and the university of washington and has been released on github under the open source mit license it can run big sciences bloom model which is similar to open ai's gpt three yeah so instead of a data center uh and the electricity it takes to run it and the hundreds of thousands of dollars you have to spend on gpu's pedals runs on your individual computers times a thousand a bunch of people all running the software uh you install some software you connect to the pedals network and then you can generate text like you would with chat gpt but you can also choose to contribute server resources to the pedals network from your machine each pedals server handles a part of the workload and then passes it off to someone else on the network when you combine enough of those together you can run the powerful language model on the cheap now it doesn't run exactly as fast as chat gpt tech crunch as kyle wiggers found it a little bit slower but in a amount of seconds you know he said the longest most complicated prompt he did took three minutes to generate so most of the prompts took a few seconds maybe a second or two longer than chat gpt but it wasn't bad so all right so the cost uh is the solvable part right but there are some thornier issues first off bloom isn't really ready for prime time it's meant for research so it doesn't have systems to correct for biases and you know those sorts of things that people already talk about being an issue with these sorts of technologies there are also known vulnerabilities in pedals that could let people access your text prompts so its operators recommend against entering any sensitive data into prompts you might as well just assume someone will read them you know one of the reasons open ai obviously cost is one of these reasons but one of the other reasons open ai has put so many impediments into people using its stuff when its name is open is they say they want people to use it responsibly here's a product here's a project big science saying they're trying to figure out how to use it responsibly but they're taking the tactic of make it as open as possible don't gate it so that we can learn from the mistakes terrence what do you think of that there's going to be mistakes to be made because people are not going to use it responsibly especially that if they've announced and just made it open that they're not systems incorrect in place for biases and they don't and there are known vulnerable vulnerabilities in that could let people do all the different type of things so it's going to be a tightrope a lot of their time is going to be spent in where do we draw the line between keeping it open in order to learn in order to catch some of these things when we get ready for prime time versus you know what this is going to be a tough challenge just to tackle this is it really worth it you know I've seen them trying to toe that line and that's going to be a tough one yeah the github vulnerability one particularly like telling people don't put sensitive info in here does constrain what you can use it for right so hopefully they get those fixed fast the other one is the whole issue of misuse and and yes the fact is they want to see people misuse it so they can figure out how to stop them yeah I get that but that makes a lot of people uncomfortable I'm sure have have you met Americans uh-huh yeah they're going to do that yeah they're going to they're going to accept the challenge oh yeah let's let's not be American exceptionalists there's people around the world who are good at this earthlings will try to break something if possible yeah my my first question when I read about this was well first of all I was like cool I want to participate I would love to do this um and you know use my computer great um you know my second question was okay so how does this distributed way of creating something that becomes a machine learned uh you know text generator that can give us great information and and and and seems like a human itself how is it going to get weird with the you know this open source setup with thousands of you know people trying to not everybody is going to use it to do weird things but a lot of people are I think if you're a researcher you're like get weird you know let you know let's figure out where things start to break down and how to build something that's smarter as a result I just think it's probably pretty messy for a while before it gets to that point you know I I hadn't thought about this but we we have a test case with dolly mini which is now called crayon the same conversation was being ahead that you know what they are not being as responsible as open ai because they're putting it out for anyone to use uh and yes we definitely saw crayon aka dolly mini used in some odd ways but it hasn't turned into uh you know this this big massive nightmare so maybe the same is true of petals because they have people who are watching to see like okay that's something we need to figure out let's work on that mm-hmm yeah you know say as long as they make sure we are watching you know maybe that will you know of course get people are going to get weird but at the same time it's like all right well this is for research so let me put something that is uh weird but not uh offensively I can be subjected to weird I don't know I you know what you may I think you're on to set the tariffs it's the difference between 600 scientists working on a limited project because big science is a year-long project versus a vice president in charge of a small team who works at a company funded by ads you know there's different motivations there I'm not saying that's open ai but you know you got meta you got to google in on this too so well folks uh if you're feeling social and how could you not after that conversation get in touch with us uh we are available on the social networks we're at dTNS show on twitter at daily tech news show on tiktok and at dTNS pics with an x dTNS pix on instagram insiders paris marks has an article up called the golden age of streaming tv is over I know the subhead says Netflix used to offer a library full of cutting-edge shows and movies but now it's introduced ads and is producing more bland mass appeal shows just like cable now marks's argument is that streaming isn't making money as much as it used to or at least the money may be distributed because there's so much competition so no individual company is making as much money uh so streamers are retreating to lowest common denominator shows basically increased competition has forced Netflix to go from trying to replicate hbo uh in marks's words to being more like the hallmark channel uh not to mention they're adding reality shows like love is blind is a great show by the way they held it uh one or more of these may be among the favorites of people on this show uh mark has seen documents shared by talent agents that say Netflix is out there pitching big broad stories that can be told on a budget uh so they're they're raining in the purse strings in the end marks notes that the same thing happened to cable independent networks that people thought would topple the network oligopoly got bought by the big players so espn went to disney usa went to mbc etc now the same thing is happening in a kind of a different way to streaming where we're seeing the consolidation terrence should we be surprised no um because it's entertainment in the end you know of course netflix was you know the new kid on the block because they were the new kid on the block now they're not so i don't know if that uh automatically excludes them from the golden age of television i don't know what the golden age of television even is or let me say golden age of streaming tv is that just because they were spending a bunch of money and now they're trying to get uh like you said pull the reins in to get more precise with what they use or are they just putting out entertainment that people love we get on streaming we get on twitter we get on social media and talk about these shows and netflix goes oh they want more of that all right give them that so i mean are we really surprised that they're essentially giving us what we want yeah the the the argument that marx makes uh saying less like hbo more like the hallmark channel now it depends on the channel that's my point depends on who you are of course but a lot of people are like hallmark channel's the best uh you know like just give me more rom-coms and i think in many cases first of all sure for a super high budget super highly produced uh award winning show you're gonna have to spend a lot of money and you can do that and you can have a hit and that can be extremely beneficial for any streaming service we we know what the what the you know the examples of those are but to kind of have more stuff that is consumable perhaps maybe it's not this you know sunday night nine p.m appointment viewing type thing uh like some of the shows you know still enjoy but you have more variety and people do like cable for the reason that you turn the tv on and then it's just kind of on i feel like this is this is just a repeat we we see this over and over uh we we saw it with cable where cable networks were independent they put on shows that the broadcast networks would never have done pushing the broadcast shows to be more creative uh and and giving us a a golden age of television in the 80s and 90s and then uh the big networks all merged together and bought up all the networks and then people said oh it's all reality shows now and the sci-fi network does wrestling not sci-fi shows etc etc etc it's the same thing again uh we have a bunch of streaming networks come in they try some stuff we see shows that we never would have saw otherwise which is cool i'm not arguing with marx that that he's wrong it is cool but it always happens that then at some point they have to pay the bills and they make things that are massively popular and unfortunately it's not a trick these are popular there are people who like these kinds of shows and you know i there's a little bit of looking down your nose at it when you when you say like oh those hallmark channel shows you may not like them a lot of people may not like them maybe you can objectively prove in your doctoral thesis that they're bad uh but that doesn't stop the fact that a lot of people are going to watch them so that that's why netflix and others are going to make them i mean listen i don't watch every reality show that's ever made but i watch quite a few of them and i have no shame in that i love reality programming when it's catered to me uh love is blind great example of that also love the 90 day fiance franchise which there are like 100 spin-offs of now i mean you can watch that stuff all day and never even get to anything else and i'm not alone again yes i'm probably not going to learn a whole lot out of it but it could be something that you put on when you're sleepy or you put on while you're cooking or maybe you're just riveted and you sit there and watch it cable television has enjoyed these types of shows for quite some time why wouldn't the streaming services enjoy the same kind of you know eyeball retention for lack of a more human way to put it yeah no i just think that i mean this is the way things go the newness as they call it is gone so now it's just like this is just entertainment right now when netflix and streaming was like this new new thing with all this new different types of content now the newness is gone the honey moon is over whatever cliche you want to use now we're back to just watching tv while we're cleaning up we're just not watching cable anymore they're still gonna try and swing for a big hit with an original show here i mean netflix is netflix is only one example but just using it as the example for purposes of our conversation i mean netflix has had lots of lots of those wins it's not like they're not going to stop trying it's just that yeah you can't just pay for every big budget show that you think might be a win i think what's interesting about this time around is instead of seeing everybody get bought up by the same companies we've seen some new entrants that are going to stick amazon prime video is going to stick apple tv plus is going to stick those two companies aren't going anywhere and they're going to keep making these shows uh netflix is probably going to stick it would have been bought by now i think now never say never it could become the next yahoo and eventually get you know bought up or or something but right now i don't think netflix is in the market to sell itself so you have three brand new entrants that are making lots of shows and yet netflix may be more like tnt or usa network than people expected them to be uh but apple tv is definitely the hbo of this landscape right now where they're willing to just make prestige shows and not worry about whether they're successful or not they want me's because they're going to make their money in other ways uh so it's it's it's an inch more interesting landscape is this time it consolidates where it looks like maybe the disney's the paramounts certainly the warner brothers discoveries are the ones that are going to get eaten up possibly by some of these new entrants yeah absolutely because again the reason why we switch from cable is we need more choice now we've got tons and tons and tons of different choices now we're like oh okay wait up so you know a lot of the peacocks a lot of those shows may just get that back backseat to where they don't get that same type of and they'll get scooped up eventually but like you mentioned netflix and disney and hbo and apple tv you know they're the big ones and they're going to keep that content and like sarah said they're going to swing for defenses every once in a while and they'll keep us there but they'll also do that guilt you know guilt uh television that people watch but really don't like to mention that they watch but you know that watching because you're watching them on twitter talking about it and that's i mean it's good for everybody yeah normalize guilty pleasures that's what i said indeed well we were talking about uh crazy tech that we might see popping up at ces earlier in the show and gaming mouse manufacturer final mouse uh has scooped you all uh announcing the final mouse centerpiece it's a 349 keyword with a screen embedded underneath transparent keycaps and switches the idea is to look like you're typing on the screen directly but it has a feel of a traditional mechanical switch uh type keyword that a lot of people cannot live without the optimist popularis uh was a similar product you might have known it you might have bought it but that used its screen to display things like keyboard shortcuts so final mouse's technology that it's calling it display circuit glass stack seems a little bit more meant to be just fun than useful visualizations uh include a matrix matrix style green scrolling text uh nature videos some interactivity as well uh there's one that it shows a pool of water under the keys and every time you you you press a key there's a little splash uh there's even a simple interactive game option now the final mouse centerpiece can store three skins at any time additional skins are available to swap in and out on an app called the free thinker portal the keyboards built in cpu and gpu run the skins using unreal engine five and the keyboard has a g its own gpu okay yes indeed it does and for anybody being like what are you even talking about do check our show notes because there's a video that gives you a great indication of what this is i mean it's my worst nightmare i also don't look at my keyboard very often because yeah that one because i'm looking at my screen i don't know i i would love for somebody to be like this is so cool and here's why you know rather than sort of the novelty of being like i got a weird keyboard everybody look at this but there's fish swimming around on my keyboard you got a koi pond on your desk i think i think this is the for the niche folks to have the the desk setup workstation as a actual hobby not necessarily for oh i need to set this up perfectly because i need to shoot videos or because i need to edit videos or because i'm on the stock market i need 14 screens it's like what i've been able to check out is people have a desk setup as the hobby in and of itself and they take a lot of joy a lot of pride a lot of artistic art our artesianness if that's a word goes into setting up this perfect desktop and i could see this being this keyboard being something that people want to display just for the sake of being a display not necessarily being functional it's like my ride but for exactly you know yeah like the the next gen laptop pip my desk there you go yeah it's people are into mechanical keyboards so yeah this does not surprise me all right let's check out the mailbag let's do it so rick wrote in with some thoughts on our sports conversation uh about sports rights from yesterday's show with isaac tar joining us rick says apple doesn't have any sports executives on their team and is trying to dictate terms which will never happen apple is out and now they're leaking to stay relevant remember that the sunday package is nothing special all they're doing is taking all the broadcast feeds and making them available they get one minute an hour to sell and must turn over all the data apple has been used as a stocking horse for a long time amazon has been playing the game right by showing its commitment to the nfl google has been a late entry to the talks and the must have tier one sports product to remain viable in future talks definitely good insight rick thank you for this yeah i went and looked it up because i was like i think he's right i don't think they have a lot of sports executives uh the person that i found that's running a business or apple sports video for for apple is james delorenzo uh he's a former person from amazon where he was head of sports there uh and before that was at 120 sports and sports illustrated and and cbs local so he's he's got some experience he's not a bad guy to be running it but he's not like a long time sports insider like rick is talking about and and using apple to drive up the price very smart nfl yeah get apple to bid that thing up and then when you go to amazon you can say well apple is willing to give us this much you know come on you have to get at least close well thanks rick for writing in uh good insight indeed and if you have insight in anything that we talk about we do want your emails feedback at dailytechnewshow.com is where to send them uh so thanks to all of you and also thanks to taren's gains for being with us today taren's where can people keep up with your work sure sure sure you can find me on my all things apple podcast at snoboescast.com that's where me and my co-host nika monford talk all things apple and then some with then some being pretty much whatever else we want to talk about outside of apple in addition to that you can you can 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