 as normal as like someone wearing boxer briefs. I don't know why, but it just doesn't seem right. Last week on the podcast, we started the podcast off talking about politics. This week, we're talking about underwear. Hey, I mean, like this is how the podcast starts off. It's just us BS and like, you know, like this is our casual conversation before we start the live streams. I've been thinking about changing it up, honestly. I like this and it's fun. And it gives the live people, you know, something to listen to before we actually get started. But we do tend to talk about weird shit, you know, to begin with. And I've been thinking about doing something similar to like what the WAN show does, where we just, when we hit live, we immediately run like an intro and get started. On the other hand, I like the pre-show, so I don't know. I think you should do a poll on it and see what people like, what people actually want. I feel like most people kind of want the authentic, because I mean, like we're, I mean, it's not like we literally only talk about Linux, like or UNIX, that's, we talk about other things. I mean, a certain extent. I mean, it's not like we're sitting here like debating like politics or like having like super deep conversations on like real subject matter than that. Like that's hyper important. Honestly, last, since we changed, since I changed doing this, where I just leave the live stream up on YouTube, the views have gone down significantly, but I expected that because people don't watch live streams as often. So I got spoiled because the Linux from scratch one did 2400 views and I thought, well, you know, this is going to be fine. I'm going to just be the exact same as it always has. The next one got 920. And then last week we started with politics and the drop off from that was pretty good. We got 742, but. We scared people off. They thought we were going to get like really into it. I've decided I don't care. I don't care. I think that eventually it'll build up fine, but I don't know. I mean, like let's be honest, it's not like your channel's hurting. Yeah, it's okay. Doing okay. You're pushing people away. All right. Hey everybody in the chat. How y'all doing? We're going to, if we could get Yaze or Naze on the audio, we've been chatting out for a little while. If we can hear from you guys, whether or not the audio sounds fine. Tyler's lips are in sync with his voice, which is good. It seems to work fine in Discord. When he uses the FFM peg, it has a problem. Right? I found out that it seems to be fine in Jitzy and Discord, but man, I'm telling you, there's some, I will have to spend, I will estimate that it will take me probably about another month of active work, at least half a day, once a week. So about altogether two whole days for me to get that script working where my audio's in sync. And even then that's a stretch. I don't know that I still don't know that I can do it. Well, I don't know. I couldn't even begin to help you on that because I just would say, you could do what English Bob has been doing. He's been just been recording his Jitzy instance and uses that as his webcam software. Oh, I don't know. It would just be you and a call. Well, but see the thing is that as far as I'm, well, no. That would work. Shit, I don't know. I need to try that. Man, you got me thinking now. All right, I might be able to get it working. Just using Jitzy, that's probably, I should at least try that. I mean, obviously that you would be dependent on your bandwidth. So if your bandwidth fluctuated or whatever the quality would go down, but that doesn't seem to be as big of a problem as, you know, when. Well, I actually don't know that that would be that big of a problem because I feel like locally, it would probably be fine because I've never really had like a dip in my video quality on Jitzy. Yeah, it's always when it transfers. Yeah, yeah. We never remember. Uncle Bonehead, we just got started. It's all good. It's all good. Just been BSing around, doing our normal pre-show. Yeah, we haven't started yet. Honestly, because we never started on time, ever. No, never. We never started on time. All right, I think. All right, so I have the, let me open another browser here. Make that the active instance of Firefox and then go back to the show notes and open up the news links. So those are open. Okay. And then I've paused my torrent, which is good. I wanted to worry about that. And see, you mess me up too. When I went through the show notes, like, you know, I found my news article and then I read yours and I was like, damn, my news article is crap compared to yours. You got some, you got an interesting article. Yeah, see, that's not even the DuckDuckGo one that I was looking for. The DuckDuckGo filtered out all the piracy sites this week. So they're starting to censoring shit. I was looking for that one, but I couldn't find it. Were you, hold on, hold on. The ultimate question would be, were you looking through DuckDuckGo? Was I looking for DuckDuckGo? No, no. Were you looking for it? No, it was even worse. I looked through it through my search instance or the search instance that I used. I have some thoughts on search. I should probably talk about that. And also use search. That way I can remember to do that. Because I have some thoughts on search. Oh, TFL here. How are you doing TFL, bud? Art Sinners here. Glosec. Hi, guys. Peter, Tim. Hi, guys. Hello. We're going to get started here momentarily. Now that I've, you know, got everything set up, I'm pretty sure we're there. I still haven't set up the other scenes for the, like the single cameras, but. Let's be honest. That's something we'd have to do, you know, if we actually got together earlier than we were supposed to. But that requires us not only being on top of things, but also. You had to get your coffee and I had to go get Gatorade. I'm jealous. And I willfully admit that this is Gatorade not water. Water's in the Gatorade. Is that coming? At least you won't end up being like Bert Kreischer, where like one day we find out that your massive thing of like what everyone believes to be water has just been Kool-Aid for forever. Like you drink a gallon of Kool-Aid a day. Like a lot of sugar. Dude. A lot of sugar. You're like, oh yeah. Just in case anyone has no idea what I'm talking about. There is a clip that you can go watch from a podcast called Two Bears One Cave and it's a clip of like it's two best friends that do the podcast and one day one friend finds out the other one drinks a gallon of Kool-Aid a day and can't breathe with how funny he's like, do you understand how much sugar is in that? Like that's so much sugar. It's hilarious because I mean, you know, you walk around with like one of those, you know, like the Linus Tech tips like water bottle. I was looking around for mine, but it's like way over there. But like you walk around with one of those things and like people are like, oh, that person's healthy. Like, you know, they're drinking a lot of water. And like little do you know, it's just like half a gallon of Kool-Aid. The T&A Hunter, thanks for the super chat. I appreciate that or super sticker or whatever that thing is called. I appreciate that. Peter, you said something about my, my, my torrent. I'm not torrenting anything illegal. I'm just down. I just downloaded the recent version of Ubuntu that was released today and I'm seeding it for people for a while. It's my way of contributing. I love the fact that people will never believe you. If you say I'm just torrenting like a Linux ISO, like they'll never believe you. Okay. I'm going to show it on screen. You won't be able to see this, but I will show it right now on screen. See Ubuntu 22.04 desktop AMD 64.ISO. It's paused right now because I don't want to use that bandwidth for, you know, other things, but I was just seeding it. And I wanted, I wanted to get my ratio up to a full one and then I could stop. But I didn't get there before the podcast. Anyways, turning the phone on to silent. Matt, you absolute brilliant genius. You, this would have been like the third podcast in a row where I just forget to silence my phone. We used to make a habit of it right at the beginning. We'd always do it right at the beginning. We remember each other, but now we, we just assumed that we did it and then we realized, you know, we did not. Well, I mean, we were on top of it for so long. Like, I mean, when we did ask each other, like, yeah, it's already been muted. But then, then, you know, as per usual, one of us, not you, started dropping the ball. That's right. We're not, we're not professionals. I can, I can definitely agree with that statement. If we were professionals, we would not be using. This court would be using some highfalutin, no, no, no, Microsoft Teams or something. And you got to use Microsoft Teams if you're a professional, right? Like, it's funny because like my, I think my mom had a manager called not too long ago with her company and they were debating whether or not they were going to keep using Teams. And like, I'm just, I wanted to like, I wish I could have sat in on that, like thrown in my two cents and like, yeah. You guys are probably spending a lot of money on this. Like, you know, there's like free alternatives that are like, that literally don't cost anything and work exactly the same way. See, the thing about that though, is that most companies already pay for Windows and Teams comes with it. They're not usually paying anything extra. There's that. And I also would hate to have to be the one to have to tell everybody. Like, I mean, if we're being honest, for most people, if you change just the look of, like you don't even change the placement of buttons, but you just change the icons, people will get confused. Like, if you change the style of an icon, like I've seen them. The color scheme, like if you change from light theme to dark theme, people would freak out. Especially, I mean, if they did it, it's fine because they'd understand. But if somebody else did it for them, they'd assume that it's completely different. Like, my mother does it all the time. When something changes, even if it doesn't actually change, it just changes color, all of a sudden she can't remember how to do it. Or the worst part, like they'll expect, they'll be like, yeah, I know everything looks the same, but like, what's all changed? It's like, well, I mean, you'll only know if anything's changed if you use it and figure out things have changed. If it looks like nothing's changed, other than the color, it's probably all that's changed. Yeah. So my mom's having problems with her computer right now. It's like really slow, and half the time it doesn't work. So yesterday I begged and pleaded with her to let me switch her to Linux. And I'm this close to convincing her. This close. Just to hold out. Yeah, she's the only one in my family that I haven't convinced. Like, the only one. Like, my dad uses Ubuntu, just regular old Ubuntu. He doesn't care. He just opens up Chrome and does his puzzles. You know? Yeah. I mean, so. My grandmother uses Papa West. So does my mom. Like, I don't... If I do get... If I do convince her to switch, I haven't decided what I'm going to put her on. It won't be Arch Linux. Like, it will not be Gentoo, okay? Peter, I'm sorry. She won't be using Emacs for her... for her correspondence. It'll probably be either Linux Mint or Papa West, I'm thinking. I need to test them because there's a... She does a lot of social media stuff. She's on Miwi. Whatever the hell that is. And she uploads dog pictures and stuff to her... thousands of... She has more followers than I do. It's hilarious. But anyways. You know, she uploads her dog pictures. But in order to find the dog picture that she wants to upload, she has to be able to search from the file picker. And I don't know if there's any Linux distribution that has a file picker that allows you to search. So, we're going to... I need to do some research on that. If I do, you know... get her to switch. I kind of know the GTK file picker that Firefox uses... When it uses a GTK... GTK FirePrope... When it uses a GTK one, it doesn't have search at all. There's no search there at all. And as far as I know, the KDE, the Qt file picker, doesn't have search either. So, I don't know why. Like, this is an obvious feature. Oh, come on now. Obvious features. Bloat. Search is bloat. It definitely is. Alright, let's get started. We BS'd for 15 minutes. It's good enough. You have Audacity open? Embarrassingly, I do not. I do know. Well, at least you don't have to compile it or whatever you do on BSD. Give me just... Give me just another 15 minutes. It's compiling right now. Oh, wait, hold on. My make-ups is not set. So, it'll be only 35 minutes. Alright. I'm going to go ahead and hit record in Audacity. I'm going to hit record in OBS. And you can do the class whenever you like. Okay, let's do this. Three, two, one. Not bad. I realize you probably can't see me, but I can see you, so... Yeah. This is the stupid way we have to do this without... So we don't have to freaking stupid green flashing. Alright. Get back to... Make sure I know what workspaces are which. So... Yeah, I'll save this for the podcast where we're going. Alright. Let's go. Hey everybody, welcome back to Linuxcast. I'm your host, Matt. I'm Tyler. Alright, so this is the Linuxcast. As I said, we talk about Linuxy things or Unixy things. Usually, we talk about things. Stuff. Whatever. Pretty accurate. We meander through the topics of life and liberty and whatever. Stuff. We talk about stuff. If you have tuned in to the podcast expecting us to know what the hell we're talking about, you probably should go listen to Chris Titus or Gardner Bryan or something. I don't know if those guys seem to have their shit together. Us? Not so much. Just gonna put that out there. So, Tyler, stop my rambling here. What have you done in Unix related stuff this week? I had ArtCenter help me out and I got CadenLive themed properly using Covantum because I'll talk more about Covantum because I put it as the app of the week. So, I'll talk a little bit more about that at the end. But, I've tried theming CadenLive with QT5CT that beautiful program that its name just smoothly off the tongue. I mean, we all know how many times we've all been in casual conversation and been like, oh yeah, QT5CT. Yeah, of course. It just rolls right off the tongue. It did not want to theme CadenLive properly, but I now have a beautiful Dracula-like color scheme applied to CadenLive. My eyes don't bleed when I use it. So, that's awesome. That is a good thing. I have switched to I also have themed CadenLive a long time ago using Covantum. Covantum is one of those things where you think it's really scary to begin with, but once you realize what it actually is, it's not bad. We can talk about that more because you did put it as the thingy. But before we jump into my stuff, you switched to something other than DWM, right? Yeah. What did you switch to? The column window manager. But it's not a tiling window manager, right? Well, it's weird. It can tile, but it's not a tiling window manager. It's not like it doesn't have the same tiling functionality like something like DWM or like I3 has, but you can use it as a very basic Tyler. It's primarily a floating window manager and it's that's most of it. I popped into one of your streams and I was like, what are all these floating windows? Why are there floating windows? Oh my God, what are floating windows for? Why? That would just drive me bonkers. I don't like floating window managers. I totally understand. For anybody who wants a more tiling window experience, don't come check out my CWMRC. I'm using this pretty much just as a floating window manager and so far I'm liking it, which is surprising because I've never really preferred Tyler's. I'm really, really okay with it. It's really, really good. I can't tell you exactly why I feel that way either. There's no particular reason. It's just opinion. I went to Plasma for that month to do that video a few months ago and I could be okay there. It was fine. I wasn't unhappy. At least I didn't think I was unhappy until I went back to a tiling window manager. Oh yeah, that's why this is good. Yeah. All right, so I have some window manager stuff on my own to talk about. So first, last Sunday I gave Herp Sluff WM a try and it wasn't bad. The frame mechanism that they have in there, which is similar to what pre-selection is in BSBWM was actually kind of cool and they have a lot of different things that you can I think of all the window managers that I've ever tried, Herp Sluff is the one that is the most configurable and it's because if you read the man page, their man page first of all is a mess. It's just 20,000 lines of commands that you can do with this window manager. It's nuts and I read half of it by the way. I sat there and screamed and read half of it. It was great. But there's just command after command. They even have a command where you can start another window manager on top of Herp Sluff WM. I didn't try it so I don't actually know how it works but it's cool. Yeah. So the other window manager thing news that I have for myself is that I have started using DWM again. I noticed the phrasing there that I said I'm using it. I don't know whether or not I'm switching to it or not. I was just bored like last night and last night I was supposed to install Slackware because I wanted to start my long term review because I just haven't had a chance to do it yet. I didn't feel like it so I decided to redo my suckless .files because the previous .files were broken because I patched something in that is broke terrible. Excuse me. So I did that instead. So I've been using DWM now for a little bit less than a day and there's some stuff here that I really like so DWM does scratch pads way better than I3 does. Like I'm sorry I3 but scratch pads on DWM are just miles and way better. Maybe the syntax is more complicated that could be argued but it's just better. I3 on the other hand does workspaces just so much better it's not even close. So yeah I don't know. That's the reason why I haven't said I'm going to switch because there's a good chance that I'm going to be going back to I3. I don't know. I was just looking for something a little bit different and ended up on DWM again. The last thing I wanted to talk about and I know I kind of hog this area each week with like five things. Hey I did all this stuff and Tyler's like oh I just did this one thing. Sorry man. But anyways the last thing I want to talk about was so for the most part when I searched stuff I used to just Google. I mean because Google, I mean despite all the shit that Google does it's a good search engine right. So then I moved to I used DuckDuckGo for a little while but DuckDuckGo is not good and like half this time I just ended up doing a G bang going to Google anyways but I was talked I was talked I was talked into using a search instance that somebody hosts and I have thoughts on it like it's not bad because it does pull in from like Google and Quant and DuckDuckGo and stuff and Brave and all this stuff it combines them it just doesn't do a very good job of ranking the search results so sometimes you get some really weird results sometimes it's not bad. I will say that it's slow. My biggest complaint about it is that it is slow and I think that the problem is the instance that I'm using is probably just on a server that is under doesn't have a lot of resources or something but so my next task is to host my own it is available as a Docker so I'm going to see about doing that I don't know search is such a mess Tyler it's just it's a mess if you don't use Google trying to find a good one is hard you know what I mean what astonishes me is that Firefox Mozilla does all this weird stuff and they don't have their own search engine how does Mozilla not have their own search engine like you think that they would right they do all this other nonsense they're too busy creating stupid ass projects that no one's interested in okay that's the real answer they're really really really really busy making shit that no one cares about that's what's going on yeah that's probably true I don't know that it would be any good here's the problem with Mozilla, DuckDuckGo everything it seems like pretty much every single competitor that you would move away from Google is now just like we're cool with the same shit Google is cool with like we like we kind of down for censorship we're kind of down with that sounds good awesome great good decision there guys your only audience is a audience that cares about privacy and not being under the thumb of a major corporation decided to do this yeah good job it's like okay it's like this so this week it came out that Netflix has lost like 100,000 subscribers or something like that like a lot of freaking subscribers and they lost a lot of money this last quarter right and I looked at the like well that's freaking obvious they raised their price $3 of course people were going to leave because they raised their price $3 and despite it only being $3 when you can get like Disney plus for like $7.99 and you're not going to pay $16.99 for Netflix for less good content because the shit on Netflix is just mostly utter garbage like there's some jewels in there the vast majority of the stuff is just not good but instead of saying hey you want the reason why we went down 100,000 subscribers because we raised our prices no of course it's because people share passwords that's that's the reason this is so stupid they have to come up with some like weird excuse that's not a dumb decision by executives they have to come up like an executive can't get a $60,000 raise if it's his fault or their fault that the company is making less money well I mean that would be true but then you just have to look at Mozilla that's not true you can be slaughtering a company and still write yourself a raise it's like congress when you go into politics when you control how much money you make you can do whatever the fuck you want why wouldn't you give yourself a raise everyone in the united states goes against that nobody in the united states is for congress controlling their own wages and giving themselves a raise but if we were in congress every single one of us would give our asses a raise they're no better than we would be in that situation it's the same thing with companies too no one's down with no one likes it when a company is not improving and yet the executives all get raises but if we're being honest if you were running a company and you just had the no one could do anything about it or even if people disapproved it didn't matter why wouldn't you write yourself a raise it's hard to be the one good guy if every other person on the board of directors or executive wise is going to write themselves a raise you kind of don't want to alienate yourself by being the one dude I don't think that's right guys I don't think we should do that I'm going to take a dollar a year it's not going to win you any brownie points with the rest of the people you have to work with when you're the person who's like what you guys are doing is pretty scummy you're not going to win in the long term more likely you're just going to get fired and they'll bring in someone else it's cool with the company working fire and they give themselves a raise when they have your job exactly alright kind of meandered to that top section but what else is new so moving on to the contact info which I still haven't actually moved around in the docs so that it can be something that I can flow into naturally instead of it's wrong but anyways you can follow us on twitter you can find all of our like past episodes and blog posts and stuff at thelinuxcast.org you can support me on patreon at patreon.com slash linuxcast you can follow zany or tyler who goes by zany online at youtube.com he's also on odyssey I am also on odyssey those links will be at youtube.com excuse me I did it wrong they're going to be at thelinuxcast.org slash contact I will say on odyssey for those of you who follow me on odyssey I was able to email them and get them to set up my account so that all of my stuff now is transferred over to odyssey including the stuff over 30 minutes so you'll now get the podcasts and all the live streams and stuff like that which wasn't happening before every single feature that is like locked behind like a subscriber account I've had to email them in order to get them to enable for my account it's supposed to be automatic but I always have to email them to do it it's really stupid odyssey is like to be honest man I know we're going to branch off just for a second here but I just want to quickly say odyssey has I like the platform I wish it the best but the last time I went to the website it wouldn't load I waited another two hours I checked the website still wouldn't load I haven't had much luck with odyssey lately they have that you creator backend where you can see your analytics that analytics page has not loaded for me in two months I don't know why it's broken but it's definitely broken they need to fix the thing is they had momentum it feels like they're ruining it but whatever the reason why I bring it up is because I know that I have at least 10 people over there that watch stuff and leave comments all the time including a couple patrons so I just shout out to you guys for being good over there and I'll make sure you keep getting content and I'll keep your point I always go over there once or twice a week or whatever and reply to comments and stuff so people don't think over there I'm ignoring them for the most part YouTube is where it's at right now stuff will continue to be there somebody told me that I should try out Peartube but isn't Peartube something you have to host yourself yeah people will tell this is the dumbest argument I hear for Peartube when you could just there are free you can get it for free you can join an instance that's free and it's like dude that holds enough for me to upload like 10 videos like maybe 20 and then I'm out of space and I don't know about you man but if you want to do the math on how much it would cost you to buy a VPS to host all of your content it gets astronomically high if you do one video a month it makes sense for Luke Smith Luke Smith does one video a month maybe sometimes he goes months without he's like in the woods somewhere with no internet it's perfectly fine for him but if you do a video every single day like questionable quality of content or not whatever if you do a video every single day and some of those videos are an hour and a half long even if you have really good I don't know like a senior discount or something I don't know from like the note or digital ocean it would cost thousands of dollars and nobody would watch it that's the thing is like you'd be doing that for five people because most people do you know who Chris Ware is he used to be on trendy talk all of his stuff now is on peer tube I genuinely I love Chris Ware I haven't this just goes to show how interested I am in peer tube or how relevant peer tube is I can't remember the last time I went to peer tube at all I cannot remember for the life of me the last time it was I know it hasn't been in the last year or probably two years since I've been on peer tube like it's not really relevant I discovered that Chris Ware was over there and then I immediately forgot what the URL was like he used to post content all the time on YouTube right but now all of his stuff is over there and I mean I'm sure there are some people that followed him right to get some of his stuff but I bet you his audience isn't anywhere near it was on YouTube now some of that just because YouTube is huge and that's where everybody's as at it's not necessarily a good thing but if you the whole point of this is that you and find people would be interested in your content or what you have to say I feel like that's kind of the point of YouTube is to just kind of have the exposure to meet and find people that are interested in what you're interested in and peer tube serves that purpose so poorly it's undescribable like no one can find you if you're on peer tube no one one giga chat will find you most people don't even know what peer tube is the only way peer tube works is if you have and I say works in quotation marks is if you have a gigantic following on YouTube to begin with and then some people will then follow you over there that's the reason why Odyssey is somewhat popular is because it started off with a whole bunch of fairly large creators who had a decent size following saying hey follow me on Odyssey and that brought people over there right that's never happened with peer tube for the most part because it's too disparate right everyone has a different instance there's no central repository of videos where you can you know you know see everything as far as I'm aware and even if there was it's not the one time I visited there to see Chris where stuff is that you know it was so slow right it was just really slow it wasn't a good experience it's a very rare person who will make content on YouTube and just does it because they want to make content and they don't give a crap if anybody sees it at least for the whole point of putting effort into a video is hopefully some people will see this and they will either enjoy it or at the very least it will spark an interesting conversation well I mean there's plenty of people out there who will make content just for a small group of people like there's a lot of people who have like four or five hundred subscribers and they're perfectly happy for that that was me before you know I started growing like I didn't I was so happy with 50 subscribers it was fantastic it was perfectly fine very manageable if anything I'm less happy now that I have so many subscribers because there's a lot once you pass a certain point there's a lot more freaking pressure on you to keep making videos right um so and it also you don't you don't get to be as per like you know personable with the people again comments or in chat like you yeah you have like you know 40 to 60 people and in a in a chat like it's hard to respond or even see a lot of the messages like you're talking about in the discord sometimes you come to the discord and you have to score way up in order to see stuff right that's happened I love the fact that we're getting close to 500 members of the discord link in the video description but uh it does it does make it more of a larger community so that they try to solve that with threads in discord but nobody in my discord uses threads like they all hate the thread mechanism I don't know and I'm not sure why all right yeah did go off a little bit there it like seriously we welcome to the next cast folks this is this is what we do all right anyway anyway so moving on so Tyler every single week we scour the internet for the most latest in breaking news and it's literally the only place you'll ever hear this news because it's exclusive right here we should get a sound effect if I had like a mixer board I'd play like the the CNN breaking news thing here oh did you so we're doing tangents today did you see the so CNN plus came out like a month ago they already canceled the whole service a month later what is CNN plus it was like a pro membership it was a subscription service for subscription streaming service and they lasted a whole month this I'm happy for that just because I don't know the like freaks who are like yeah I want a pro membership for like my news channel okay I've one news channel the right yeah well I mean that like that's the whole thing like it's not like it's a newspaper where you're getting different articles from different it's just like one source and like also when it comes to a newspaper you're not paying like I'm gonna assume this well we live in a day in age where subscriptions are not like 75 cents you know a really low amount it's probably like 499 999 for it like we'll get to the news in a minute but I want to talk about subscriptions for a minute alright so first of all you mentioned 75 cents for subscription I'm old enough where I remember you could subscribe to a magazine for like $20 a year sometimes it was $20 for like three years it was absolutely nuts and you got once a month right it's fantastic in high school I was really big and on okay I was never good at like working on cars and stuff like that but I loved like other people like reading about other people doing cool stuff for their cars like it was by the time Fast and the Furious came out right the original Fast and the Furious right everybody was interested in this stuff right so I subscribed to a magazine called Truckin where they created the it was about modded trucks like people lower in the trucks and flames and lights and all this shit out right and I subscribed for like five years for like $12 it was absolutely nuts and then so right after that like magazines went off by the wayside but I mean they were still around but then like four or five months ago I found that there's still a Linux magazine like it's like the Linux magazine actually they still actually publish a Linux magazine I was like you want to know it I'm a Linux guy I like Linux this Linux magazine looks interesting I'm gonna subscribe to it they were like $200 for a year you're kidding no I mean it was like hundred and something dollars but it was it was a lot of freaking money for before it like what that's insane like no it's not like you're getting a magazine every day for that kind of money you better get every freaking hour I'm just like obviously prices have gone up many times since the 90s like we know this but that yeah but a progression from like about a like about a $20 expenditure for an entire year all the way up to like 120 plus is like what in the hell happened man come on I was like there's okay I don't care how good the content is right I wouldn't pay I wouldn't pay $120 even though you're getting something physical right in the mail it's still not worth it like that kind of money like but the thing is is like if you think about it I was gonna say like if you think about it people pay $10 a month for subscription stuff online all the time so technically those prices are correlated but the difference between like say LWN I think that's what it is like the subscriptions for like the Linux something network or whatever and they charge a certain amount of money per month but the difference between subscribing to a website that gives you news and stuff like that you know a certain amount in a magazine is that that website is there every single day coming up with new content pretty much every single day and you can go there every single day and find new stuff a magazine you get it in the mail you read it you're done until the next month so it's not a it's not the experience isn't the same but I'll say and also you're paying a premium for less information like objectively the deals not there and also before we keep talking I do want to go ahead before and like respond to this in chat someone said if all these big youtubers started moving a library these would make these change their policies and become the new like no that won't happen just in case you're wondering whether or not like that's actually possible maybe one day but no LBRY if anyone's used it right now it's Odyssey and LBRY are pretty unreliable and how they function so no imagine going to like if let's just say all the big youtubers are there and people try to go to YouTube and YouTube's down can anyone here remember a day that YouTube was just down no but I'm sure it's happened well I'm sure it's happened but like we're talking about for maybe a few hours or something and you know again this would be a big ordeal I have gone to Odyssey so many times and had it not load and not work like not even it's just super slow like it literally will not load the website like that's pretty frequent so you know yeah it breaks a lot the thing is that that's kind of it's kind of like Arch Linux they innovate so much but they break stuff but also they don't have the resources to deal with problems right but also they break stuff a lot I mean like a lot actually see that's a perfect segue into my news articles breaking stuff I can mention about subscriptions for a while because I wanted to talk about how everybody's I came to talk subscription service now but alright Tyler we all too well know that problem like we all begged and pleaded for the cable stuff the cable bundles to go away because they're too expensive and now we pay more on average with subscription services but anyways let's go ahead and move on to the news so Tyler what is your news item of the week mine is that well Canonical and Ubuntu have made a big kernel security update so well it's well a kernel security update okay it's really nothing all too surprising like guess what there was a whole bunch of CVE's and needed to be fixed and so Ubuntu's done it but you can go through here and see because there's I mean I don't think we need to dive through the CVE's but they're like a lot of them are definitely needed to be addressed like really needed to be addressed and so that's happened cool and yeah Ubuntu's a little bit more secure and this was from yesterday so if you're running Ubuntu and you're I believe this is for the so the security vulnerabilities are now patched in 21.10 and 20.04 and Ubuntu 18.04 so if you're running any of those and you haven't ran an update you know lately and you really care about making sure that you don't have like active exploits that are public on your system go ahead and run an update yeah and then you'll be good I would pretty much this entire article I would also assume that they've updated this in the 22.04 which is released today that's right yeah well I mean I would hope so well I mean you'd think so right yeah I will say that the 22.04 release is way better than the 21.10 release just it's just mild and now they still they still have the stupid versioning numbers where like half the stuff is like 40 some of it's 41 some of it's 42 thing going on but they're closer than they were before a good job on Canonical I'm trying to catch up to Genome because Genome is a innovator that is moving so fast they can't keep up and I don't understand why um but anyways they have made it finally so that you can there's built in support for you to get rid of the Ubuntu panel and make it just a dock which is cool I don't know I don't know why that impressed me so much because you could always do that with an extension but the fact that it is in there by default knows I think it's awesome I don't you it doesn't take a lot to impress me apparently just let me make something pretty and I will be perfectly happy with you all right so moving on to my news of the weeks of mine the DuckDuckGo was definitely in the news a lot this last week so the news item that I chose was DuckDuckGo and Brave both of them have announced separate plans to fight back against Google's divisive AMP mobile pages framework thing and the thing is that this kind of stuff is good because fighting Google at least some pushback against Google is always a good thing but basically what this is is that the AMP stuff is designed to speed up the web for mobile users the problem is it has these huge privacy implications that just basically make it so much easier for Google to get every single piece of data you've ever owned because they would literally then own I mean they already basically own the web but this would take it push it over the edge really far step forward like really far so DuckDuckGo and Brave have both separately but not together come up with I think it's good that's a good point to stress Brave is not working with DuckDuckGo yeah I mean maybe they should maybe if they combine efforts just a little bit you don't think so no because we like look I really like like I don't I'm not a big fan of the Brave browser like I really don't see the point behind their gimmicky like crypto BS but at the same time they're working on a search engine that is actually usable like I use a Brave search as my default search engine it's actually usable it gets good results and they're not as far as I can tell Brave has none of the scandalous like yeah we're kind of down with like it's just it's weird that DuckDuckGo is a company that has been founded on the idea that Google does bad shit and they're okay with censoring and we like DuckDuckGo is not something where they're fighting for really privacy it's yeah technically to it to some extent that's a focus but it's privacy through freedom really like that's kind of the idea of DuckDuckGo like they're not going to be censoring shit you're you get a private but also open web like you get the true search results that's that was at least the idea behind DuckDuckGo and that's not really like it's it's hard to be really interested in them being like we are going to fight for privacy on the internet when they're at the same time being being like well you know censorship is really not that bad that censorship stuff that we were against turns out it's a good idea yeah and so I mean if you think about it if a company that started out focused on privacy and the open web is okay with not focusing on the open web is it really a stretch for them to go maybe for money we also don't give a shit about privacy like I mean if you're willing to lower your standards for some reason like yeah like here would be great conversation to have how in the absolute flying shit does it affect DuckDuckGo at all with privacy or with piracy what possible reason could DuckDuckGo have a good incentive to stop piracy results from coming through so they are apparently worried because this has happened to Google that the RIAA will come after them because the IRA which is the organization that sues people for pirating stuff has basically stopped going after individuals because they realize that well I mean getting $20 from a dude because he downloaded a song doesn't make a lot of sense when they have to pay the lawyers millions of dollars started going after the corporations that provide access to they can't really go after the pirate bay because who knows who the hell those people are so they go after Google and stuff so I think that's the reason why they did it but on the other hand I don't think that there was an active like I don't think they've been sued or anything so they're doing this preemptively right and that's the thing they're doing the same shit that Google the whole reason Google is against piracy and stuff is to cover their own ass and nothing's happened to Google like no one goes after Google because of someone pirating a song like it's not Google's fault that that person found the torrent like I'm sure they serve the search results but Google cannot like cannot be held liable for pretty much basic shit like well I mean they can try to call them liable you can try but even even that is going to be hard to hold up in court because that assumes that Google has the infrastructure which granted they have a massive and very dominant infrastructure but they still don't have the infrastructure to check every single search result they could possibly serve it perfectly it people can get around and and mix in search results that you know necessarily Google doesn't want there or duck duck go doesn't want there that's a hundred percent possible the idea that duck duck go is going to be like well you know we're against everything that Google does but we're gonna do the same shit Google does because we also want to protect ourselves like Google and they want to be made the thing is that I want to be mainstream they want to become a corporation and it makes no sense like duck duck go should not be a massive profit driven company well I mean I I agree with you but from the laws of capitalism a hundred percent say otherwise their CEO wants to give himself a raise like we talked about earlier you know and the only way he can give himself a raise is if there's more users that bring in more money because it's a pretty short wait so hold on he would be a great question is duck duck go a public company exactly what I was gonna I don't think so I think it's still private company but it probably have like investors and stuff still right they probably taken on you know doubt it I mean like I'm sure I'm sure they get funding like they have investors but I would be pretty shocked to find out that they had shareholders and well no I don't think I think they've gone through like these venture capitalists probably they could make a basically a start up and the thing is that they they're aiming when you take on venture capital capital from those type of people those guys aren't interested in your altruistic reasons for existing they are there to not only get their money back but make more money well then let's have a real conversation why the absolute shit did duck duck go get the venture capital like piss off because they want to start marketing I'm sure you've probably seen duck duck go advertise on TV now that's where they got that money but also to create things like their browser that they're doing and you know if you're going to do the same shit to get like if you're if you're going to chase money and you have to do the same scummy things that the big corporations do to get that money and maintain that money then what's the point of you you like the entire existence of duck duck go like the more we talk about it the more I question whether or not duck duck go should even exist at this point if you're getting the venture capital if you're getting the capital and that requires you to do the same type of scummy stuff that you were against when you founded the project you've lost your you've sold your soul like what's the point of you you like duck duck go seems like a husk of what it should be at least it seems like it see there's a part of me that agrees with you like I'm a hundred percent on that I understand that but in the this day and age stuff has to get bigger cost even if you're not a public company you still want to grow and as we know as proponents of open-source software and Linux and all that stuff being the good guy doesn't necessarily make you a market leader you know it's never that's usually not the case usually the case of open-source software is that you're doing a good thing you create really good software but relatively nobody uses you nobody you in the grand scheme of things nobody uses a Linux desktop when compared to windows and macOS we know that that's exactly the truth and it's the same thing with duck duck go you they could be and continue to be an altruistic company where their only goal is to be anti-google they could continue to do that but if they did that from experience with other open-source and privacy respecting things that nobody cares and in the grand scheme of things nobody cares about how privates your search results are that's the reason why everybody uses google because it's good search they don't care that google hoovers up every single piece of data you've ever you know had you know they don't care so before duck duck go to grow they have to come up with some other reasons why they should exist other than the altruistic stuff all that being said I don't see how censoring stuff on their search results plays into them being a bigger company you know I can understand creating a privacy respecting browser which is basically just going to be a fork of chromium or whatever it is I can understand them even taking on some venture capital to do marketing stuff like that as long as they're realistic about their growth but I don't understand how this idea we moved on from their whole fighting the amp thing but the half the people probably don't know what we're talking about so this week simultaneous because we didn't actually talk about this but they decided they were going to pull all their piracy torrenting related relinks out of their search results now they've said they've since said that they've not done this it was mistaken but you search for torrent stuff it's not there in the top results maybe they just buried it whatever but it's still basically the same thing because nobody clicks on the second page just nobody ever does great place to hide stuff you don't want somebody to see something just put it on the second page and nobody will see it that's basically what we've been talking about for the last 10 minutes without actually saying it but the point is that the removing the torrenting stuff and the Russian propaganda those are the two things that they've centered privacy stuff or piracy stuff and Russian propaganda Russian news sites and stuff like that Russian news site mental law did a video on this earlier this week and he was talking about how once you kind of start with the censoring stuff it becomes easier to censor more stuff and I understand that argument but I also understand that you really don't want to propagate Russian crap so I mean I don't know which direction you want to go on but I still don't understand how the whole removing stuff on their search results actually plays into them trying to become a bigger company and more popular I think it's just making sure that they essentially say face with investors or at least protect themselves in some way from lawsuits I understand a company focuses on making money making a company but when your company's only product is based off of goals that you have to completely integrate to actually keep the company afloat it doesn't really make sense that would be like me making a actually I can't even come up with a good analogy it's no I don't have one I don't get the idea of having your product you have to essentially neuter your product to be able to make profit people aren't going to choose your product if you're doing the same stuff that Google's doing and the reason you're doing it is so that you can compete with Google you'll always be second class to Google people will just do it if some other company comes up and does the same shit that Apple's doing people are still going to buy iPhones they're not going to buy this other company stuff maybe if you will but the majority of people will stick with Apple same thing with Duck.Go the reason Duck.Go had search engines are going to grow and have a market share at the very least is because they're doing something different if you stop doing the different thing to compete I understand what you're saying about something different it's not about being different it's about being good we talked about this with Firefox the reason why Firefox the reason why Firefox has gone downhill in the last few years isn't because they've been doing things differently they continually do a lot of things differently the reason why they suck is because they are continually making decisions that make their browsing experience worse that's the reason why people use Chrome people don't use Chrome because it's by Google they don't make it because it's customizable or privacy focused or anything they use Chrome because it's good it does a really good job of doing what it's supposed to do it doesn't have all the freely features it's going to get in the way it's just good the number one thing you should do if you're trying to compete against Google or Microsoft or whatever is make your product good go back to it's not even just that because Firefox is just copying what Google is doing in a lot of ways if you're copying and trying to do the same thing that your competitor is doing and they're the bigger one they're the more popular one I'm not saying that it's the end of the road you make a really good product and boom you're a success that's not the end of the it's not the nine step plan because the number one thing on the list before you move on to creating an innovative new features is make a good product and both Firefox and DuckDuckGo have skipped over that step like let's just move past the whole censoring thing we both agree that that's bad and not a good idea and whatever but if DuckDuckGo wants to be popular and be able to compete with Google not only do they have to do things that are differently, hopefully in a altruistic way but they also have to be good and at the moment DuckDuckGo is garbage it's not good but it's still not as good like I said at the beginning it's gotten a lot better it has but you have to be able to go to Google like every time I say DuckDuckGo is trash there's like 9000 people in the comments oh I use DuckDuckGo it's perfectly fine um only for you but when I use DuckDuckGo 90% of the time I have to redo the search with a bang in order to just do Google in the first place so it makes no sense to me use DuckDuckGo because I just end up using Google so that's for a lot of people DuckDuckGo is probably fine but for I mean it just feels to me like you go to DuckDuckGo and it's just not a very good experience because it doesn't give you the things that you're expecting it to give you so I think that's the I think that's the biggest problem with DuckDuckGo well I mean I kind of disagree with that like not to to a major degree but I definitely do disagree because even if DuckDuckGo got to be perfect like it's just it gives you the same level of results that Google will give you they're still not going to compete on a massive level if they're willing to get rid of their privacy and that's true anti-censorship like I said it's not the end of the road like you don't just become good and then be successful there'd be more after that it's just it feels like they've skipped the steps they've gone from trying to make something good to just trying to be Google but you can't just arrive on the scene like yo I'm Google bitch what are you going to do about it that's exactly what I'm saying when I was talking about someone coming up and trying to compete with Apple if you're doing the same stuff that Apple's doing your Apple's going to win like they've already got the market share and if your whole thing is like we're different but we do the same thing like no one cares half the chat is like oh duck duck goes great duck duck is great I knew you guys were out there it's alright it's perfectly fine that for you guys duck duck go seems to work fine for me in my experience which is all I can speak to it's not great I go there and I search for some weird shit so maybe it's just me because I search for weird shit I don't think I search for weird shit but I mean maybe I do maybe the stuff that I search for is just not great anyways we've spent entirely too much time on the news alright so moving on to the main and the thing is we have a very interesting main topic that people are probably hearing I titled the stream environment versus window manager everybody's like when are they going to talk about it well guess what we're going to talk about it we're going to get there um I'm I'm google bitch if we changed our title to that it would be exactly it anyways moving on to the main topic so this main topic is if this sounds familiar to you it's because we have done this topic before it was not Tyler and I it was Martin and I we talked about this like two years ago like on the podcast so we're doing it again just because you know new host fresh perspectives but so the main topic is desktop environments or window managers Tyler your thoughts for me personally it's window managers but that being said it it definitely just like this is one of those interesting conversations where it's only opinion like you can't be like the sweeping statement of you should choose a desktop environment and window managers suck or vice versa just doesn't work for some people like sure maybe like they use desktop environments they're not interested in window managers but they could easily find one that they like but that's like that's like me telling you that like you know you yeah sure you love your car but there's other cars out there that if you spent enough time and research you'd find and enjoy more it's like well I'm fine with my car like why am I it's the it's the Ford versus Chevy argument you know some people are four guys some people are Chevy eyes you know you'll just have your opinion and then there's that one random dude who's like oh I like Volvo you know like the only thing that I would say that's a valid stance on like whether or not like you should use a desktop environment or a window manager is kind of based off of whether or not you focus more on minimalism if you if you like having a very minimal system and not having stuff that you probably don't need or at the very least you're probably never going to need then yeah a window manager is going to be better just because well obviously you some some stuff in a desktop environment you're probably never going to use like that's just going to happen because they that's the whole point of a desktop environment is to make sure that you have well a working desktop environment completely like there's not one part that's just left out well I say that but we all know that there's some desktop environments out there that are lacking some some stuff that people could definitely use but for the most part that's the purpose of a desktop environment to take care of everything for you yeah tfo says I agree with tea bag it's just a subjective thing ultimately there is no better solution only a better solution for a given person and then he goes on to say but telling when managers are the best scientifically proven I'm right there with you tfo right there with you all right so you are exactly right as as usual Tyler that this is a a personal decision but that being said I think that the underlying question is flawed because the vast majority of people who use Linux probably don't even know that window managers exist is the thing like when they download a boon to where they download fedora or they download Linux mint or whatever they just use whatever they downloaded and they're good with it they don't know that window managers they don't know that they're if they're using genome they're using mutter they're using plasma they're using k-win or you know they don't know they don't they don't care unless unless it breaks in which case then they have to go do the research on it and then maybe they're exposed to it but for the most part people just use whatever it is like so I made a comment the other day in one of my videos where I spoke generally that most people when they switch to linux distro hop like crazy they move from distro to distro distro Tyler up until the point you decided to switch to open bsd you were like this you moved I mean you continued to move from distro to distro distro even when you found one that was working really well you like you were on gentoo and it was working really well for you you still decided to hop some people are just like that forever and ever most people go through a phase you know at the beginning at least I thought that most people went through a phase but I had comments in that video like I've never distro hopped I looked at that comment for like 10 minutes I was like you've never distro hopped in your entire life and you use linux like first of all I'm not sure I believe you because it feels like everyone is distro hopped but if that's true maybe that's more of the normal thing like you just especially you download up a linux like you you've it's probably a boon to let's just be honest about it it's probably a boon to you've downloaded a boon to you got it on your computer and it works flawlessly even if it has some things that piss you off like they don't work the way you thought it would work but it works like you can play your games you can get on the web you can do whatever the vast majority this guy is probably right the vast majority if they're in that situation just stay in a boon to or anywhere else and this mentality of not exploring just boggles my mind because to me linux is all about exploration and finding new stuff I mean there are 3,000 different distributions out there and I want to try them all you know I think you actually touched on a pretty good point there you said for me that's definitely an important aspect because there definitely are those people who I mean when they I guess for a lot for the vast majority of people if you're gonna switch an OS that's a big deal it genuinely is and if it is a big deal and the first thing you install works of course I gotta slap my microphone at least once but if you have something that works really well and you don't really need to change it why change it especially if you're the type of person that's coming over from like windows that's what you like it's just shit just working then that's kind of I definitely see that well I'm not saying that windows just works I don't think there's anyone in this call who hasn't witnessed a blue screen on windows I mean while you're talking about that did you know that GNOME has a blue screen of death like it exists if GNOME fails it's not blue it's definitely different it comes up with a screen so something has went wrong your computer needs to restart it exists I've seen it and it's not like it wasn't like it was April Fool's like it actually really exists I've never once seen that in my life I don't think many people have but yeah there was pictures of it on reddit now it's 100% possible that this is just reddit fooling with me but it was like on a computer so it was either a really good photoshop or you know it's real but it like I'm pretty sure it was real because it looked genuine I'd love somebody to confirm whether or not I've been hoodwinked into that but yeah oh not it'd be absolutely hilarious if it did exist like if it was actually true like we go on about windows having a blue screen then linux actually has a blue screen usually see the ironic part is like even if linux does have just a straight up blue screen like no one really knows about it like maybe five people who have had like a blue screen of death equivalent with linux I can understand having one because when linux crashes when something goes wrong you're presented with either two things one, your screen just freezes and nothing happens like that's usually what happens the other thing that will happen is it drops you out of xorg and brings you into like a tty and you just see scrolling lines of text that says that look like a kernel panic you know that's the other thing that could happen both of those things are utterly confusing so I can understand having a screen right but I don't know it's just not as common but anyway for someone who's a windows user coming over if everything just works as soon as you've installed your linux distro I mean you're probably just going to use it why would you move away right exactly and also I feel like for a lot of people you're just not for people it's like cool to look at someone like DT who's done a lot of fantastic videos on window managers I mean your channel you've done videos on quite a few window managers I mean I would say my channel but I don't really do it that much but still like if you look at channels and you watch people who use tiling window managers that might be cool to look at but then go seems like too much of a hassle you know for a lot of people I could definitely understand just being like well I mean it works fine you try and switch things up if I have to relearn a whole bunch a good example would be not everybody want you tried switching to like it wasn't Dvorak for your keyboard there's a reason why people don't it's not very common that people go you know what I'm going to switch up my keyboard layout pretty uncommon most people are like there are other keyboard layouts I mean exactly most people have no idea that QWERTY is not just the only standard especially if you're in the US because let's be honest there's a lot of Americans that don't really pay attention like what's going on outside the world what is a ZERTI but the thing is if you're honestly going to take a look at it honestly people learning something new just for the sake of going about things differently even if there's the argument that it could slightly improve your workflow or the time that it takes you to accomplish a task the initial time sink the initial time dump that's required to get there is too much and that's probably why desktop environment like if the question was desktop environment or window manager which is better for most people I would say the answer is clearly desktop environment for most people now that's not saying that window managers won't have a large majority of people that use them because well we're on this talk now and there's quite a few of us that are using window managers quite a few so like my point is not that desktop environments are the better one and for everybody our audience is full of nerds and enthusiasts right these are not normal people that we hang out with no offense to all y'all in the chat you're all but freaks but you want to you're also our friends and we're just like you okay when it comes to Linux desktop environments and window managers and text editors Vim vs Emacs most people never touch a text editor in their terminal in their entire life and they have no interest in doing so and if they did it would absolutely 100% 1 million percent be nano absolutely it would be nano like I guarantee if normal person had a scenario where he had to edit a configuration file in the terminal it would be nano because first of all that person if they did get into them absolutely no clue how to get out of it okay and Emacs is even a question because it's not installed like Vim's not like every time I install Ubuntu by the way the one of the number one complaints against for me against for Ubuntu is they do not install them by default and it blows my mind that they don't do this right like how dare they not install Vim on Ubuntu by default like of course they have to install Vim on on like they don't install Neo Vim I can understand that you know but Vim of course they're gonna install them no they don't very few distributions installed them by default and the reason why is because nobody uses it only neckbeards and the people you know in a youtuber Linux community use Vim and programmers you know the people who know that exist speaks to the amount of people that use Emacs and Vim that pretty much the only person I can rely on to always have a good debate over Vim or Emacs or like their relevance is Josh like Josh is pretty much the only person I can go to that will always be down for like yeah let's talk about Emacs or Vim or like it's many people like the idea that most people care or give to flying craps about what text editor they use like most people just don't care like they just don't know it's even worse than that Tyler it's not that they don't care they've never even thought about it I guess it's not something that they've ever debated like most people even a graphical text editor they don't look like most people can tell you what genie or editor or Kate is if they need to edit text they open LibreOffice you know it's a word processor that's what they do mm-hmm I guarantee you there are I would I would if if anybody is this person I would love you to like go and hit me up on discord or Matt's discord just hit me up somewhere send me an email something I would love to talk to the person who started off editing most of their config files in LibreOffice I I want to meet that person like I know they exist and I'm sure like I've never tried editing config files in LibreOffice I would love to meet the person who did that and like your experience with it like because I'm sure that that's common like I mean when you think about it half the thing about editing any of that kind of stuff in LibreOffice is you'd have to know what to save it as because if you because you can't save it as an ODT or a .x file because all that stuff has metadata if you ever opened up an ODT file in the terminal it just comes up with those little squares in the terminal like it's not human readable but assuming that there's a way you can say you can just save it as a .xt but that would be a lot of programs are looking for .com for .yaml or something I feel like LibreOffice would let you save it as a plain text file well you could .xt sure but then you'd have to go somewhere else and rename it because for example if you opened up the Alacrity configuration file which is a .yaml file in LibreOffice first of all I'm not sure if it actually opened it up but let's just say it did how would you then go about saving it because LibreOffice isn't going to let you save it as a .yaml file is it I mean I wouldn't think that they have the capability of saving it as a .yaml file and if it did save it as a .yaml file would add extra spaces somewhere can then therefore break all of your Alacrity configs because there's an extra space in there randomly somewhere because whatever I mean I don't know but we got off the point is that yes the vast majority of people desktop environments are the thing and that's because they're preconfigured right and that's exactly what we're talking about is people don't generally like putting effort into their computer because the vast majority of normies don't see the computer as a hobby they don't see anything about the computer as a hobby like you and I do you know it's just a tool to get worked on they get on there they view their porn they jack off they go away that's what they use their computer for alternatively they get on there they do their spreadsheet work watch the porn jack off then go away those are the things that they do right they don't give a rat's that's what browser they're using as long as they can get to their porn they don't care what text editor they happen to have on installing it because you can't view porn in a text editor I mean not like visual porn trust me I've tried you know they don't care this is not this is not a conversation for normal people normal people aren't going to look and say well what should I choose desktop environment manager no that's not a conversation that they even have they just use whatever is that came with the distribution that they chose probably cinnamon or you know those are the things that they chose right so I really stirred up the chat with that one tonight that's pretty good the only the only question that they may ask at a certain point is am I using the right desktop environment so they might switch between different desktop environments to choose those but even that I feel like is actually pretty rare because like we said most people if they get to a point where their Linux machine is now working like how all the functions that they need are there and they're working fine they don't care what it looks like I was talking to a guy in the comments a few weeks ago who has never changed the wallpaper on Ubuntu like every time he gets to a new Ubuntu gets to a new wallpaper just stays there that's all he uses like he's never changed the wallpaper he doesn't care like he uses the same icons same GTK theme doesn't change anything even the wallpaper I can understand not caring about writing and naming GTKs but everyone changes the wallpaper right even if it's not the butt ugly fucking YouTube wallpaper that they choose by the way the new Ubuntu wallpaper is actually the best one ever but the majority of them are godawful the hippo one looks like a gigantic ball sack everyone saw it they all saw it not only was it a gigantic ball sack it was a hairy ball sack I'm just going to put this out there because it definitely did look like one of those and everyone saw it and if you didn't see it now you saw it because now you can't not see it just go look at the wallpaper now you're a whole day's ruin because you won't be able to unsee it and then the last one the 21.10 had this like raccoon looking thing with the gigantic BDI just staring at you like it's going to come eat your part out but the point is that this guy never changed the wallpaper and it just blew my mind there's this person out there who doesn't care I never see the wallpaper I just open the browser up to even further there's a lot of it's pretty clear that a lot of people don't it's not necessarily that they don't want to but they're not interested in trying out other things for the sake of trying them out because I mean if you think about it like somebody who's like well am I using the right desktop environment for that type of person who's new they're probably not going to assume oh okay so I could get better features or different functionality that's better from some other desktop like display not display what am I talking about desktop environment because I mean a good example would be alright how many people do you know use KDE and how many people do you know could could like really really argue the point that they know everything about KDE like they use every feature of KDE nobody's does that exactly and so for a newcomer to to a certain desktop environment or just Linux in general and they're given a desktop environment it's more likely that they're going to assume that instead of switching over and using something else trying out other things is is going to be better than most likely I am the problem like I don't know how to get the full advantage out of this like I think that's kind of the more pragmatic look at it most people are going to assume that I just like I mean I don't know about you I'm pretty self-deprecating and I assume most times that I'm just being an absolute idiot and or that I'm just ignorant and have no idea of like what extra I know there's plenty of things the asshole in my head was like yeah Tyler you're an idiot I'll objectively say I've said idiotic things I can be ignorant like it's it's something I definitely have the capacity for I mean I don't necessarily like embrace it we all have the capacity for stupidity beyond all measure like every single one of us has done something really stupid just the last point on this is that and I think you were talking about something like this a minute ago is that and what I took from it is like people who are coming from windows are conditioned they're brainwashed if you will for the lack for no choice like on windows you have no choice you and it's because whether it's because people don't want choices or because Microsoft doesn't want to provide choices it doesn't matter what that argument is on windows you use windows exactly the way everyone else uses windows there's a start menu at the center now you know there's some icons there maybe you have some different icons because you learn how to pin something woo bully for you you're a computer user now you know and you open up chrome and you feel you're porn that's the way windows works everyone uses windows exactly the same way on Linux you because you've been conditioned to be that kind of computer user where you just use your computer however it is the computer maker has chosen you use it the way it's intended right you just assume that that's the exact same thing on Linux where you download Ubuntu this is how they want it therefore that's the way you use it you know and that that's the way most people are conditioned they don't have the curiosity that the other enthusiasts among us have of exploring other things right whether again that's because they don't want that enthusiasm that enthusiasm for curiosity or because they've been conditioned not to look for it is another conversation altogether but the most people who come from windows don't expect to be able to change their theme to whatever they don't expect to download a new file manager because everybody just uses windows explore no matter how terrible it is you know it's just and if this is what Ubuntu has given us they've given us Nautilus which is arguably the worst file manager I mean nobody cares because it does it show me the files? yeah it shows you the files what else do I really need from a file manager now Matt's sitting over there in his chair it's like fuck y'all you need to use Crusader because it has all of these amazing features and you're missing out most people turns out not like me well and also too a majority of people there's a reason why when you go into the grocery store there's not 24 different types of peanut butter there's actually a lot of studies that have gone into studying the way people react to a massive amount of choice and for a majority of people a lot of choice is paralyzing you don't know what to do there's actually been quite a few studies that people will purchase more things in a grocery store when there is a less choice which is like it seems counter-intuitive you would think if there's more choice you're gonna sell more stuff because there's more likelihood that someone's going to find what they want there but for the majority of people when you want peanut butter look I'm that type of person crunchy and creamy you have your opinion on what you like you stick to it for a majority of people when they want peanut butter they just don't care whether it's crunchy or whatever it's just peanut butter again it's peanut butter and I feel like that's statistically speaking that's most people when there's too much choice what they look for then is not quality or whatever that one's on sale it's paralyzing if you don't care what peanut butter you get but you just will grab anything that's there and you're given a lot of choice then that person who doesn't care can take more time to decide because then you don't care but you got like 50 different choices they're all about the same price like well shit I don't know do I like that one more or would I like this one more a decision that creeps up that would have never crept up before you would have just grabbed one of the two or three versions of peanut butter and just walked away whatever one you bought before or whichever one is cheapest whichever one the dude in front of you just picked up off the shelf you're like okay well I mean he likes them you know whatever but when everyone's standing there like you know with 50 different peanut butter jars in front of me oh we've all been behind that person in the grocery store who has to read every single label on whatever there is they're buying it doesn't matter what it is they're buying it's every single label whether they're looking at the nutritional facts or the ingredients or they're reading the kid's story on the background like on the back of the cereal box you know like there's that guy there's that person and you you'll encounter him and like all like bitch move I just want to get my Wheaties okay like move off the capping crunched and let me get some now that you said that now I would give so much money just to hear what's the conversations that go out in your head while you're shopping at a grocery store so you don't want to know so I'm an asshole in person I'm a certified asshole most of the time the guy in my head is 10 times worse okay I have a filter like everyone says oh Matt you have no filter oh yes I do you think what I say is bad you didn't want to know what I think okay I've got to move on we've been recording now for an hour and 20 minutes 40 so we need to move on so Tyler every single week we come up with things that we that are things and we call them thingies so Tyler your thingy of the week my thingy is a covantum which is a I believe it's a just general QT theming tool it's made for KDE for theming KDE applications it's an SVG theming tool really in all honesty I'm not an expert in it at all all I can tell you is that it works on OpenBSD by the way if anyone is on OpenBSD or like I assume this would work on other BSDs as well but you know for covantum you have to search and find there is an issue on covantum that's specific to OpenBSD it talks about it not installing and that post actually has the proper Q make command to build covantum on OpenBSD so it does work on multiple different platforms it's not just a Linux tool that works but covantum is the only way that I've gotten or I've been able to theme KDE live which is just an absolute beaut I'm so happy that I'm no longer just burning my retinas at like 2 in the morning finishing up editing a video and by the time I'm done my eyes feel like they're just bleeding so that's nice and I know that for some people they're like he's exaggerating it's not that bad you use Solarized so I don't understand which problem it is I'm just gonna okay I get your point I'm just saying personally it feels like my eyes are getting burned out when I'm editing in KDE live now you know how I felt about it all those streams where you're using Solarized alright you'll be happy to know today I'm gonna do the video showing off my Dracula rice here so there's no longer Solarized on the system your retinas will be fine even though I don't understand how Solarized is burning out your retinas but it's okay not good yeah covantum is fantastic theming cute apps on in a window manager where like outside of plasma not a great experience because some of them covantum works great right you use the QT5CT thing and that QT5CT thing does not work at least on Linux without an environment variable set to you know do it right name on OpenBSD and finding that documentation which says that is really freaking hard for some reason right yeah well I will say one thing I don't know if this is like a new thing for QT5CT because again I have not been a really I haven't really used QT5CT until recently but they do give you exactly it just rolls off the tongue but anyway that little program like it now it does tell you like when you open it up it tells you that it's not set up correctly when you press on info it'll tell you that that's fairly new I think because it didn't use to um yeah it's it's theming cute apps on like a window manager not great but when one once you figure it out it's not horrible but trying to like it's not like you download LX appearance and it just works you know yeah yeah alright my thing of the week is something that I had to download out of necessity because for months now the color picker in GIMP has not worked for me and it doesn't seem to be anything to do with ARCO because I had the exact same problem on MX Linux I had the same problem on Gen2 for whatever reason I click on the color picker part in the color chooser thing and you get that little like eyedropper thing right in order to choose the color picker right that doesn't work it just doesn't come up for me it doesn't matter like I said what distro it is so I had to find an external color picker in order to actually match some colors and the one that I found that actually works is G-Pick now I've used G-Pick in the past and it is the most complicated piece of garbage you've ever used but I'm recommending it anyways and it's because I finally figured out how to use it and there's no real good documentation on how to use it or something like that but you click select the color once you've opened it up and it will give you the eyedropper thing and you can go around any of your screens to find the color right and it will show you like in the application like the hex codes and all the stuff that you would normally have but once you select the color all that stuff goes away you can't see the stuff but I found out the secret if you right click on the color you want to choose it will give you a context menu with all of those codes you can click then on the codes and it will copy to the clipboard and you can copy into GIMP just the normal way or whatever configuration file whatever why that is so hard I don't know but it does actually work so yes I'm recommending a program that I've bitched at many times in the past but now that I know how to use it it's fine it does what it does it does what it needs to do the best sales pitch for a piece of software I have ever heard it's the most convoluted piece of shit I've ever used but I highly recommend it yeah it's great alright so that is it for us this week coming up next week I actually don't know gotta do an LS here and find out what would come up so next week we're gonna be we're gonna so this was so this was yours today we had more yeah oh yeah so next week we're going to be talking about electron good or evil should be fun I think we're both going to come down on god it's evil but we'll see about that anyways before we go we should take a moment to thank my current patrons you can support me on patreon.patreon.com my current patrons are Robert Sid Devon Patrick Fred Kramer Megalyn Jackson Steve Aseberg KB TGB Kee-Keefe Andy Mitchell J-Dog Oden Marnie Eric Kamp-Jeshwily Peter A. Cruisibull We record this live every Thursday around 3 o'clock PM usually we don't go for this long but we had some really good spirited discussions today so we plowed through for a whole hour and a half anyways you can join us live every Thursday around that time on youtube.com slash linuxcast we will see you next week