 Okay. Hello, welcome to the Jones Library Design subcommittee meeting for Thursday, May 19th, 2022. It's 1030 a.m. And we are having this obviously online zoom. So pursuit of chapter 20 of acts of 2021, this meeting will be conducted via remote means members of the public who wish to access the meeting can do so by clicking on the live link to this zoom meeting that can be found on the public meetings calendar of the town of Amherst website. Or by dialing in on the phone. The public is able to comment during the public segment of the posted agenda by raising their hand. This meeting is being recorded and will be posted on the town of Amherst YouTube channel. So I call this meeting to order. I'll just check that we can hear and see everybody. I'm Christine Graham Mullen. Excuse me, George. Here. Austin's not here. Sharon. I'm here. Austin is here. Sorry. Oh, there you are. Hello. Good to see you, Austin. All right. Greg and we have Craig DeCarlo, our OPM. Yes. And we also have Angela here helping us. Thank you. Okay, so we'll go to item two. We have minutes from May 13. I think we're great, but please. Can I have a motion or someone to approve these minutes? Motion to approve the minutes as written. Second. Second. Great. So are there any comments or changes? Any concerns? Raise your hand or just yell out. I'm hearing nothing. So we'll take a vote. So voting to approve the minutes of May 13. George. Yes. Austin. Yes. Sharon. Yes. Thank you. Thank you. And myself, Christine for approved. Great. So we'll go to item three, which is our Collier's project. Update. So I'll pass it on to Craig for whatever you have to guide us and help us with. Thank you, Christine. So I'd actually like to take things a little out of order. And then we can spend the bulk of our time on the outreach public comments. That makes a lot of sense. Fantastic. All right. So with the, with the benchmarking, we've identified three locations. Holyoke public library, Medford public library and Wuburn public library. The results of the doodle poll is unfortunately not, there isn't one magic day where everyone can attend. But there are two days. So if we split things up, we can get sort of maximum attendance. And that's June 8th doing the Holyoke tour in the morning. And then June 10th taking a good chunk of the day from sort of mid morning until evening to get out to Medford and Wuburn and then get back to Amherst. So I have reached out to all three libraries. Holyoke is confirmed for June 8th. And Medford is confirmed for June 10th. And I'm awaiting a response from the director of the Wuburn public library. And I left a voicemail two days ago. And so I'll follow up again today. Try to get in touch with them and get us booked. And then we'll be good to go. Once we have those pinned down or confirmed. I'll send around an email to everybody. And then we can start talking logistics about things such as car pooling, which I think would be a larger vehicle would be warranted to kind of bring everybody at once. Which I think would be in line with the, the town's sustainability aspirations and carbon mitigation aspirations. It's kind of minimized how many vehicles going back and forth. So that's the report I have for the benchmarking tours. George, is that a handout? Yeah. Yeah, I just wanted to mention when we did site tours. Several years ago now. There's a local company that we use to rent a van. That gave us good rates. So if we do get to that route, just check in with me and I can probably get you some pricing. And we may not have to. Paul. Paul Baccom and has said. He has reached out to his, the town departments. There are vehicles in town that we could use. Christine may ask a question. Yes. So Craig, you, you provided a very convincing explanation of why you want to slap us all to the eastern part of the state. I have the virtue of remembering nothing. So I don't remember why. And I'm wondering. Like what's wrong with West Springfield or what's wrong with West Springfield or what's, I mean, there are libraries. I mean, every town in Western Massachusetts has renovated its library. So just if you could just quickly. And if it's complicated, just ignore me. Remind me of why you think it's better to go to Wuburn and Medford than West Springfield. I mean, it's better to go to Wuburn and Medford than West Springfield. So I think it's better to go to Wuburn and Medford than West Springfield. So Hadley, South Hadley. Certainly. So the, we asked the MBLC or contact there, Andrea, which libraries they recommended. And those were the two that she recommended. And the reason she gave was that. I mean, I don't know if you've heard of any aspirations or they're actually, they've executed on those aspirations with a, I believe it's a net zero building as their energy use building. And so they can speak to that. They're also a large. Library similar size to. The Jones library. And then Wuburn. It has the benefit of being a historic building. It actually a Richard Sony and building. So there's some similarities with your project. And since. I don't know that Wuburn would warrant going out just for that, but kind of the two of them together being only about 15 minute drive from each other. You can kind of get to two for one long. For the cost of one long drive. Okay. And Sharon, do you, you think that's, you concur in that? I can absolutely go either way. I do. I'm very, I am interested in the sustainability piece. I do. I agree with Austin. We could easily see historic. Historic renovations done out here. We're going to see it in Holyoke. So Holyoke. Yeah. Is that building. And if we needed sustainability, again, I'm not. I'm happy to have people go to the eastern part of the state. But it just occurred to me as we were talking about this. If you want to see sustainability things, there are things in Amherst, Massachusetts, though they're not connected to libraries. Buildings use cross laminated timber buildings that are trying to be net, you know, you know, net zero ready. But it's like we're late to say that. So I'll just. The one thing that, that these two libraries have that these western mass libraries don't have is the size. I, you know, we are more comparable to Medford and Woburn. Woburn. So yeah, whatever. So that's true of Springfield. Well, yeah, the East Forest Park branch is tiny. I mean, compared to us. Springfield Springfield do a big renovation. It was a complicated renovation and big for them. Okay. So how many people Craig can. So far go to each. That I don't have off the top of my head. I think there are somewhere around 10 that responded. So. We'll get between, we'll get between seven and nine people for each. Great. Great. Okay. All right. So we'll follow up on. Christine, I may have requested this before if I did forgive me. I wonder if. As we're going through those libraries, if someone can kind of live stream it. For people. I don't know if it's a live stream because there's two different complexities with that. One is we could video the tour. And then you've posted it later. Or you are saying live feed, like you're walking with a lot. Yeah. I know it. It's, it's. That doesn't matter. What I was suggesting is that. Somebody could with their. iPhone. Turn on. You know, if you're talking about something and everybody could see it or recording it, but for people who can't make it. Well, if you're talking about like FaceTime or something, I mean, then one of us, are you. By the way. I don't think we should talk about this. Craig just arranged for some way to allow people who can't be there to see what we see. Okay. Craig, Craig will work it out. I think I can figure something out. Okay. All right, we'll talk about this more. We don't want it to be too complicated and. Yeah. It's just about cost and I want to make sure that the people who are there are focusing on the job at hand and not worrying about multitasking and creating. Yeah. So we'll, we'll weigh it out. That might be the hardest comment we have to deal with today. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Craig, is that it for, and then we'll come back and follow up on another meeting on more details. Great. Thank you. Certainly. Do you want to know the. Yeah. Sorry. So then the next thing to talk about is the outreach, the public outreach comments. So as we know, there's, there's a long. List of them, which is great. Yeah. I think I recommended kind of sort of them into different buckets. And maybe the first thing we do is kind of define what those buckets are. Like already in. Yes, we want. Maybe we want, depending on the feasibility and. No, we don't think it's. Appropriate or attainable. But then perhaps we go through. The list sort of in order or in groups. So we're going to talk about each and decide which ones we want. And as Austin had pointed out last time. Really the goal of this group is to hand things on to the library building committee to make the ultimate. Decision on how, you know, how to move forward. But this group kind of doing the legwork. So I'm going to propose that I share my screen and I have put all of the comments into three different buckets. So I'm going to go through them and I thought we could, I'd love to be able to get through all of the comments. Because we have a lot more comments that are coming. And so possibly at the next meeting, we could go through the next chunk and just keep doing it that way. If that works for you all. Christine may ask a question. Sure. So Craig had initially proposed that we focus on the things that need to be decided that are highlighted in yellow on Sharon's screen. Sharon has usefully gone through the whole nine yards of comments, including many that do not have to be decided. Early on. So the question is, do you think it would be useful. At least initially to focus on the things that Craig had highlighted in yellow. I was waiting to see Sharon's spreadsheet since it's the first time I've seen it, but if it is the entire table, I was only anticipating going through the highlighted ones today. And those are the only ones that I deeply studied and grouped myself and ranked. I, if the goal is to get through all the comments today, I personally think it will be enough of a challenge just to get through the ones we need to do now in yellow, but Sharon, how do you feel about sorting your table by review date? Yeah, I'm cool to do the yellows. And so I thought I would start with my greens. And so these are the things that I think. Let me back up. So there's this column here, column C. These are the things that are already in the plans. So I just kind of left those alone. I don't think we need to tell for sure. I think we need to tell, for example, FAA to use native plants in the backyard. That's already going to happen. So what I did was I have this column F. I put into green. I feel like these are kind of new ish ideas or things that may or may not be in the works with FAA. And so these are the items that I'm proposing that we send off to FAA. And then in yellow here, this column H, these were the things that I could go either way. I thought this committee should discuss them. And then column J, those are the items I, I personally just flat out said, I disagree with for one reason or another. There's no, no need to for FAA to think about that. So if we want to just do the yellows, we can do the yellows. And then we'll move on to the other ones. So the first one is comment number 24. Can I just interrupt here for an end goal? What we're actually. So. I would like to update this spreadsheet. And then get, get everything in column D. It says review date. And I have those of the bright yellow comments. And I, so I'd like to start with the greens. If at all possible. And then we'll move on to the others and talk about them. So the first one is comment number 24. Can I just interrupt here for an goal? Okay. Okay. And then we'll get everything in this column F, whatever it is that we agree to put it in this column, and that will go to the building committee for their next meeting. So what I'm so, so for comment number 24, for example, that is something that FAA wants to hear about now. It has to do with the Burnett galleries. After our access. And I put it in the list of things that I think we should say. I think we should move it out of that column altogether. So I thought if we could just whip through, that's what I'm hoping to do. Cause there are so many comments. Right. So, um, but let's. Just say we end up. And this committee believes that that should be a priority. So then I would ask you, do any of other. Other committee members disagree with me. Do you think that's a really bad idea? In which case I'll move it out of that column altogether. And this can happen either in this group or when we send it to the committee at large and Austin, I'd like your, um, thought on this idea, you know, we're, we're. We're doing due diligence here and we are looking and thinking all of us about each and every comment. And some of the comments are just onesies. Others can get grouped together and they're like a larger idea. And some of these comments, like when, um, we brought up the one last week on the Burnett gallery that said, like, um, you know, it had like easy high visibility, easy to find prominent location where it had multiple things. And what we sort of came out of just looking at that one comment was, are we just going to end up with. A shorter list of suggestions that we got from looking at the comments and not necessarily just delivering forth each comment. Cause sometimes the comments have like 10, you know, on one occasion there's 10 people who are like, yeah, I like this one. And then like I said, most of them are just onesies. Um, I'm just looking at thinking of other committees and stuff. I've been on how, you know, like we're supposed to consider these comments, but we want them to. We're trying to extract bigger ideas that we are then passing on to the designers and saying, Hey, can you consider this concept. And not necessarily give them. Like one comment that's like ESL needs a living room. You know, like maybe we're saying, you know, something more general about ESL to the designers from the comments we received. You know, we. Yeah. Does that make any sense? Like, are we just still passing all these comments forward to the designer and Craig, maybe you can win. Or are we trying to like glean ideas for design. That we want to pass on to the designer or a combination of both. I think it could be a combination of both. So we could do this with Sharon saying and sort of like tighten up the spreadsheet and then from that spreadsheet come up with. More concise comments and suggestions that we put to say our, the larger committee and then give that to the designer rather than all the little bits. And give them the spreadsheet. He's got his hand out. How does the design, how we're giving. How did the designers know that some, like we're pouring these comments forward. Like these, some of them are just like their thoughts, like consider them. And then others are directives. Christine, I think you're raising a very good question. Sharon has given us the way to do this. What we should do is we should go through the. The, the, the list. Sharon has highlighted some things others may disagree about the things that she's highlighted. And myself, I was not moved by the number. Of the, you know, it was one or 10 people. I was moved by the idea. I thought, oh gee, that's a good idea. That's a bad idea. And my thought was what we will do is end up passing these things to the. The ones that we want to will pass to FAA. FAA themselves will look at them. Come back and say, you know, we can't do this or it's too specific. But I think what Sharon has offered us is a really a good way to do this. I think it's a really good way to do this. I think it's a really good way to do this. I think it's a really good way to do this. I think it's a really good way to proceed. We should go through this list. Identify the ones that we want to have in green. Now it's so come from the whole committee. Or if there's a split, we'll have a split. And then forward on this. This spreadsheet with our recommendations. Because others on the, on the building committee will have their own views. May or may not agree with us. Exactly. So where. The building committee is going to do it. Building committee is going to bring up other comments to add to it. Is that what you're saying? Christine, the building committee is going to do exactly what we are doing now. They're going to be guided by our recommendations. So the thing to do, I think. Is go through the spreadsheet. Go to the things in yellow. Which do we want to recommend that the building committee. The building committee forward to the architects. Then Sharon will revise the spreadsheet. So that whatever that column now is in green will be the ones that the design committee is recommended. And then the JLBC will have the same conversation that we are having, except they'll have our recommendations. The result of that will be another version of this spreadsheet. With the green. And then the green. And the yellow. The building committee are now conveying to the. To the, to the architects. And today, do we also go through the maybes? For the ones that are highlighted in yellow, every, every right. I'm only talking about the ones in yellow. Right. of us might think differently. Oh, absolutely. And when we all come to a consensus in this group and we have a list of green and maybe some yellows, but hopefully they're either green or red. So then we, as a recommendation, pass that to the larger group. And what do we expect the larger group to just go through the greens? No, we expect the larger group to do exactly what we are doing. It's just a subcommittee recommending to the larger committee, but the larger committee, some of them on the larger committee may look at one of Sharon's reds or one of her vanilla's and think, gee, that should be a green. And then they'll persuade everybody and it'll move from the red to the green. So I promise, Christine, this will, this looks huge, but it's not. So I just, we're gonna take it one at a time. So first off, we're all looking at comment number 24, which is Burnett Gallery Public After Hours Access. I agree that that should move on to FAA, first to the building committee and then to FAA. This is something that Craig has flagged for us to discuss today. And so I have said, yes, I made it green. And so now I would ask you, if any of you disagree with that, now is the time. Austin. So I don't know whether I disagree with it. How much foot traffic does the Burnett Gallery get? So I just don't have enough information yet to know how important it is to have after hours access and what that implies in the way of staffing in the library. Sure, well, so in theory, after hours access would not affect staffing because we will, we'll be having, you know, Swapy cards that won't be regular keys and they can be reprogrammed. So we give somebody a card and say, okay, lock up when you're done. As far as traffic goes pre COVID, the gallery attracted a lot of people. A lot of people would only come to the library just for the receptions, just to see the artist displays. We don't have actual figures. We don't have patron counters right now just in the gallery. So I can't give you exact numbers. We're good, thank you. That's very helpful. Okay. Sharon, just wondering, are you skipping over the one above it? So because I left that alone because I agree the Burnett Gallery is going to be in a high visibility space. It's gonna be in a prominent location. It's not something that we need to waste time talking with FAA about it. It's already in the works. It's gonna happen. Thank you. I just wanted you to explain that column. Sure. So if you guys agree with that, I'm gonna change this to yellow just so that I know we all have agreed. And now moving on. So you're skipping a bunch of yellow ones. So I just wanna explain it. Again, it's the same thing because those are in the already in the works column. Now that, yeah. No, Sharon, you skipped some that have red there. But I'm starting with the green and then I will go to the yellow and then I will go to the red. Fabulous. So the next one is comment number 42, gender neutral restroom in after hour and community spaces. I agree with that. Is there anyone on the committee who disagrees with that? Fabulous. Next one is comment 45, teen young adult area for meeting socialization for those with a variety of disabilities and sensory issues. I agree with that. Do any of you disagree? Next comment, number 60. Sharon, I'm sorry, I was slow to unmute. Could you just area for meetings. I just didn't have a sense of what that, I mean, it sounds right, but I didn't have a sense of what it means in terms of the design of the teen room. Yeah. So I had the same question for a handful of these. Some of it has a little interpreting to do. So, you know, the teens will already, they will have their meeting spaces. They'll be able to socialize in the entire teen room. What I felt like was key in this comment was the variety of disabilities and sensory issues. So, I feel like this is a place to have a conversation with the architects to find out what exactly that means. How would they furnish that space? So that's why I agreed. Comment 62, gender neutral bathrooms with changing tables. I agreed. Do you all? No disagreements? Awesome. Comment number 68, having both quiet and active spaces in the children's room. So I agreed with this thinking. Again, here is another conversation piece. If the computers, and I don't have access to the designs right now, but in the children's room, you'll remember it's all along the, the western part of the building and part of the children's room is in the old building and part of it is in the new building. And I think that a nice quiet space could be in the front of that building. So that's why my comment was, where did it go? If the computers will be located in the front room and that's where all the woodwork is, that could be a quiet-ish place. So that's what my comment meant. And if none of you agree, I'm yellowing it. Down here, comment number 103, placement of bookshelves that create groups of seating. I almost put this already in the works column because I think it's gonna happen no matter what, but I just felt, you know, just to be safe, I'm gonna hit agree, put it in the green. And I'm not hearing that any of you disagree. So again, I'm passing by all of these yellows because all of those yellows are already, these are items that are already in the works. Comment number 208, a gaming space in the teen room. So the teen room is going to have a teen maker space. I am also hoping that there will be a television somewhere in there, a large screen TV to do whatever it is that teens want to do during that time period, you know? So right now they can play games, right now they can do virtual reality. I don't know what will happen in 10, 20 years, what teenagers will think is cool. So that's why I'm hoping the technology will be there. And again, this is another item for discussion with the architects. That's why I made that green. If anybody hates that idea, let me know, okay? Comment 215, gender-neutral bathroom in the teen room. I don't think there is a bathroom in the teen room, but I wanted to flag it because I think this is important. I think we're still not sure if all the bathrooms will be gender-neutral, which is something that I'm advocating for, but for teens, I feel like this is especially important. So that's why I flagged it as being green. I just want to add to that one that, I don't know, I kind of think that one's already done if you loop it into the gender inclusivity because there's another comment somewhere in there about like seniors, senior area and being near bathrooms. I think in general, the plant bathrooms tend to be lumped together because they need to be connected to infrastructure and there's already regulations for how many bathrooms and how many on each floor and accessibility. And I'd rather just keep that comment lumped in with the gender inclusivity. I'm with you, you got it. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Comment number 221, low sensory break nooks in the teen space. Again, this kind of goes back to Austin's question. I don't necessarily know what this means, but I wanted to open it up for conversation with FAA, which is why I agreed with it. Comment number 226, I thought this was interesting, this was a very interesting comment. So waiting to exhale, people are looking for spaces to become at one with themselves, which I love. So the room with couches, uh-uh, so couches unfortunately, not only are they very expensive, but only one person sits on them. People just don't sit next to strangers. And so what happens is, not only is only one person sitting in it, it also invites people to lie down and sleep. And so what libraries do is you would offer a love seat in a children's area, because that makes sense. You want families to be reading to each other, that's awesome. But in the adult spaces, I would say no. That being said, soft lights and a meditative kind of atmosphere in the quiet study rooms, again, I thought that was a space for a discussion with FAA, okay? I don't know what it means. And I'm open to the discussion. Again, I don't know what it means. Like you have a dim corner somewhere. I mean, so it's hard for me to think, yes, we ought to discuss this with the FAA. I don't meditate, maybe somebody else does. I don't know what you need in order to meditate. My friends who do meditate, they seem to be able to do it on a bus, a train. And most of my students seem to be in some meditative state during most of my classes. So I just didn't know what it meant. Christine. And just again, security, dim corners. We want line of sight. Some people are meditating, some people may, yeah. And the other part is, is that singular meditation or group meditation? Like I would hope that some of the meeting rooms where a meditation class or group could meet and it has the dimmable lights, this is more like an infrastructure thing, so that you can control the lighting, maybe speakers in the room for having background music. So yeah, I agree with everything you all just said. You are right. For safety purposes, we don't want any dark spaces. That's not what I'm looking for. And I'm not looking for yoga mats to be placed in some space. I just didn't know if there could be something done with interior design where it would be a place for people to go who just wanted that meditative feeling. Okay. Comet 235, gender-neutral bathrooms. I think we said we agreed to that. And that's it for my green column. I thought now I'll go over to my maybe column, things that I just wasn't sure about. Comet number 28, which is natural lighting in the Burnett Gallery. I know lighting is important in an art gallery. I have no idea. I don't think it's good to have a lot of natural light because it's not good for the art. So that's why I said maybe. I agree with your thought. But it's not, right. Experts need to weigh in a little bit on this because light is nice. But I would think with art, you want to be controlled light and not damaging light. Yeah. So I'm going to highlight that in bright yellow. My other maybe is this one here. Comet number 124, build it. I just didn't know what this meant. Build and expand on the beautiful front with larger spaces. We're not expanding the front. We're not allowed to do anything. I just don't know what this means. Do any of you? Again, when we get these one comments and it's not a discussion, it's hard to understand what was going, you know, their idea necessarily. And I think what we have to remember is we are addressing and care about each person's thoughts. But how many, was that a one person comment or did people like it? Yeah. There's one. There's more than one. No, just one. Just one. So that's where we, when we're looking at all these comments, hopefully if that person hadn't, other people were thinking it, we got it in other comments. And this one kind of like when you say it's already done, like you just said, if we're not expanding off the front and the inside's going to be greatly changed. So I don't know if this comment is worth sending to FAA. Craig, do you know what it means? I don't know for sure, but you know, build and expand. We're right now, we're in a, an addition and construction mindset. But that phrase could also mean to do more of. So perhaps this person likes the existing front area. Okay. But in wants more of it, larger spaces that are of that feel. So perhaps that's what they're getting at. So maybe if I just do, I'll just say that it's happening. Yeah. And I just want to remind anyone who's ever watching this video later, or you know, if it's reported or anything, that if someone does have an idea off this comment, you know, put another comment in. Again, we're still collecting comments. You can put them in at the library. There's various ways you can give feedback. And then we'll reevaluate it again down the road when we do this. Thank you. Next comment, number 147, audio, video, recording rooms. So there will be a team maker space. What's in it is kind of yet to be determined. So that's why I left it there. Again, a lot of it is electrical infrastructure when the designers are thinking about that. It's about expanding and having the conduit there and enough plugs and, you know, because for a lot of this tech stuff, that's really, if you have the space, like a maker space or a room, lots of things can happen in that room if you have the electricity and the speakers and such. Yeah, it'll be there. But I don't know. I feel like if, so the room is only gonna be so big. And whether it's an AV room or a maker space or something else, it can only do so much. And... Right. Okay, I'm maybe... It also needs specialty equipment for that kind of thing. And that might be a down the road grant thing where maybe a study room gets converted. You know, that kind of thing. Sharon, I'd like to say no to this one. Okay. Again, audio recording means quiet. So, and I didn't see this one as linked to the teen room, but here's my thought. The library is gonna be great. We're gonna do many, many, many, many things. But for you to make an audio recording, like I wanna make a record, I wanna sing. I don't know that we wanna say come to the library to do that. Now, I don't feel strongly about it, but it just did strike me as not work. I wouldn't put this at the top of my list of priorities. And I'm glad you said that, cause I agree. You just gave me the catalyst. Yeah. Okay. That's not there. No, no, that is all of it. Okay. So what we have left are the reds here. I disagreed with comment number 25, which is locating the Burnett Gallery and the special collections exhibits in, you know, in the front 1928, where my office is, for example. And I disagreed with that because right now the Automated Materials Handling System is slated to go here. Comment number 52, having a Black History Center or space. So I disagreed with this only because I don't disagree with it. I'm disagreeing with having a separate room that is just for Black History. What I'm recommending is that the Black History of Amherst and the Valley would be, there would be a collection in special collections. So, but not a separate room for it. So that's why I disagreed with it. Does that make sense to you all? I think you should move it on the basis of what you've said, put it somewhere else, don't have a disagree. Okay. Put it somewhere else and attach the comment that you just made, namely put it in your agree, if you agree, but say you should be in special collection. So move it over a little bit, right? Yeah, it will just be located in special collections. And that's not to say that it may not have its own small space in special collections. There you go. Okay, thank you. Comment number 57. So I guess this is the same thing. It's not that I'm disagreeing with it. I'm saying it won't be a separate room. It will be a space. So I'll move this over. What does it mean? Yeah, I don't know what that means. So I don't know if this has to do with the teen BIPOC center that some folks want in town. Again, there will be a collection, just like there is now in the children's room, but there won't be a separate room for it. I think that you might want to put it in. I think that you might want to put it in the maybe and have just a question, Mark, about we're not exactly clear what it means. Okay. I agree with that. Because the library is, like you just said this, so Sharon, Dewey Decimal. So those books or topics tend to be in one area in the children's or actual materials that we're talking about. If they're talking about education, I'm not sure that's not usually part of your programming. It depends if they're talking about a collection, which yes, if they're talking about a separate room and actual social justice center, that's different. Thank you. Comment number 65 is, oh, a loft in the children's room. So I got to say, I love the idea, but I don't love the idea of children falling from the sky. So that's for safety reasons, I put that here. I agree. Was there a teen loft suggestion? Yeah, I put that in the disagree too, as much as I love the idea, you know. Right, I agree. Comment number 78 is a cafe, coffee bar, water bar. So I love this idea, but no, the library will not be going into business. We're not gonna be providing the refreshments, but in that cafe space, people will be able to bring their own. I just, I don't know, maybe it can go in the maybe, meaning I would like the infrastructure of the building to be able to be expandable in the future or even used for events or whatever. So looking at it in the cafe thing, yeah. Totally open to the infrastructure and let some other librarian down the road and set of trustees decide to do that. I think that's great. Comment 85 is, oh, a living room, sorry, sorry, yes. Change what you wrote about the coffee bar. So you need to make clear, you gotta just change it. Yeah, like infrastructure. It'll confuse people if they... Oh, sorry. Yes. Good point, Austin. Sorry, sorry, sorry. Thank you. Thank you, thank you. Okay, back to comment 85, a living room with ESL. So there's not gonna be a living room, but there will be a nice reception area so that people, they often get here early before their meeting. And so here's a chance for people to just have informal conversations. I'm sorry, where are you right now? Which one? Comment 85. Okay, thank you. Sure. 85. Yeah. Nope, there's not a thing, I think. So comment 92. So I loved the idea of somebody advocating for a larger office for the ESL director. The only reason I disagreed here was because all of the offices will be the same size, give or take, depending on where they're located. Even yours? Mine is a little bit, a little bigger, but it's in the program. Well-earned, well-earned. Okay, comment number 104 in art space. So there was a little interpreting that I did here. I think what this person meant was a place for people to do art, whether it's adult teens or kids. And so I just put this general comment. There is not going to be one space for adults to just come in and have art supplies made available. Instead, it will be a part of programming. So we already often do, we'll do calligraphy classes, we'll do wheel felting, we'll do knitting, things like that. So that's more about the programming, not necessarily about the space. The only space where there will be a space set up, specifically for art is in the children's room, the children's activities room. So that's why I put it in the no column. So I noticed there was a lot of, not a lot, but a few different comments on art space. There was like teen art space, children's art space, everybody art space. So just to clarify, it's mostly in programming. Most of the art doing is children. Teens, do they, would they then use the children's? No, they'll have their own maker space. But again, it will be a part of programming. It's not going to be a separate room. So that's why I'm saying, that's why I disagreed with it. And that's a teen maker space. So if there was a program event for adults to do some kind of art, where would that be held? They would do that in either the Amherst room or the Woodbury room. Great. Same thing with comment number 106, there's not going to be a separate conference room or meeting space for teens. Teenagers absolutely are allowed to reserve our meeting rooms just like any other patron, but there's not going to be a separate teen meeting room. So Sharon, I'm now getting a little confused about what you're doing with the color. So yellow was meant to indicate we all agree. Yeah, yeah. So you've now got a yellow in the disagree color. So that'll be for me. I'll go back and clean it up later. Great. Thank you. I just want to know which things we agreed on. Thanks. Comment number 108, a bank of room with Zoom setups for people to use as needed. So again, I put no, but it's kind of a yes. We will have quiet study rooms. And now that I'm speaking out loud, maybe I should put that in the already in the works column. Yeah. So again, I don't know what is being referenced and why it's linked to quiet study rooms. In fact, I think it's not quiet study rooms if you're on Zoom and you're talking. Well, so there are going to be rooms and people can do, they can either study or they could be on Zoom. They're... In other words, the designation quote quiet study rooms. So I'm glad you brought this up. So what the Jones Library staff had been advocating for was actually not closed in rooms because then you have to manage them. You have to reserve, you need scheduling and all of that. But the MBLC is strongly recommending that they actually be rooms that have to be managed. So if they are rooms, you can do whatever you want and whether it's Zoom or quiet study or whatever. Good. I do work out of the Chickpea Library and they have them, they have a newer building and they have a lot of glass in the door. But like Sharon said, it does mean they're scheduled but they're totally enclosed yet still have good wifi. I think that's, again, it's having the infrastructure in these rooms so that you have an adequate wifi connection so they can Zoom. Yeah. So that's what I would want FAA to make sure that the infrastructure is there. Excellent. Comment number 147 is audio video recording rooms. Again, I think we all agreed to not have those. Comment number 158, don't make Amity Street front entrance accessible. This was like the one comment that I disagreed with wholeheartedly. Everybody should be able to come through the front door. Wouldn't that, and maybe Craig can answer, isn't that something we would have to do and you'd have to ask for a variance and like make an effort to not make it or is it grandfathered in? Because of the extent of the renovation in addition, the full building must be accessible or must follow the accessibility guidelines, which doesn't mean every single square inch needs to be accessible by somebody, a particular individual. But yeah, we have to follow guidelines for the whole building. But what does that mean with respect to our front door? So, as a... I believe is driving this comment though I don't know is the notion that the front door has historic value as it is. And that if one makes it quote accessible, we're gonna, I don't know, diminish or attract from the historic value of that front entrance. So if there is a requirement that the front entrance be accessible as opposed to an entrance be accessible, that needs to be said. My own view is that the front entrance to the building should be accessible as we said in province irregardless of what is required. Because we wanna signal to people, this is your place. You don't have to go in the back entrance. So maybe diving into that comment a little bit, if the fear was to make it accessible that you'll have some like modern accessible door, but Craig, I know it, it's all cost a little extra, but could it be that it's accessible but you're asking for a more historical looking setup or door, you know what I'm saying rather than a standard modern door? So I'm not familiar enough with the setup as it currently is sometimes. So in the, I do know that the accessibility guidelines are very specific. So is there a, just the question, is there a step to get up into the front door? Yes. Yeah. All right. So then that would render it, it's non-conforming to accessibility guidelines. So maybe a ramp or something. So, and a ramp has a different look. And also if the ramp goes up to a certain height and now it means the guardrail. So it could have a visual and- I'm sorry to interrupt you. I hope this billing will be guided by principles of universal design and that we not imagine that accessibility means a ramp in the usual understanding of what that is. And principles of universal design mean that we want to design the building so that it works for everybody, not retrofit it so that, you know, well, okay, we've got to have ramps. I think the issue with respect to the doorway has more to do with than with the door. It has to do with what surrounds the door. And I assume to make it accessible, you have to widen that entrance beyond what the door is right now, but I don't know. In any case, I do think we should say we support this and pass it on to the larger committee and let's see what people say. Okay, thank you. Comment number 180, that's the loft in the teen room. Again, I don't want teenagers falling from the sky. Number, comment number 195, we've discussed this already. There will not be a separate room for teens to do art. That's a part of programming. Comment 198, I didn't understand this comment. So separated from the rest of the library, the teen room will be a different teen room. It's not going to be detached if that's what they were talking about. They're not going to have their own entrance. So that's why I put it in the disagree column unless you guys have different interpretations of what that meant. Well, and again, separate, you still, they have to have the same rules of line of sight and for the librarians to know what's going on. And yeah. My guess is that this comment or my reading into this comment is that they want the teen room to feel somehow unique or different. So it's not just, here's a space that looks like the rest of the library. Maybe it looks a little different. Maybe it feels a little different. I don't know. There's not a whole lot of detail in that comment. So it's hard to know what it really means. Yeah. I like that. Thank you. But they will have their own area, which again, taking these comments, a lot of them are coming out of what is presently existing and the teens have been kind of shuffled about, they're half upstairs, downstairs. And in that atrium, well, who's space is that? So yeah. OK, as I keep going, that one. Number, comment number 224, at least one dark, womb-like corner. Again, I, yeah, no. I want one of those in my house. Yeah, yeah, maybe. Comment number 244, the size of the building should be trimmed down. We're not allowed to do that. And comment number 246, helping seniors with computer literacy, computer tutoring center. So again, maybe this should be moved over to the already in the works because it's a part of programming. It's not that I disagree with it. And there will be a computer room, like computers. There will be computers everywhere. And there will be classes. Yeah. OK. So that's it. I request Christine may make a request. Yeah, go ahead. First of all, Sharon, thank you for for for doing this. Others of us may have other things that we want to point out. But I wonder, like Christine, I'm a little worried about the way in which this gets presented to the building committee. Sharon, could you stop screen sharing? Yeah, definitely. Stop. And I'm wondering if you could do a separate spreadsheet containing only the items that Craig highlighted in yellow. Yeah. And send two things to the committee. One, that thing with the idea that's what we're going to concentrate on first. And then the whole spreadsheet, the way it is right now. Yes, I love that idea. Yeah, I agree. Our work here is done for now. Well, I just want to, again, because you have deep to thank you, that was great work. And if you could pull up your spreadsheet one more time, because this is for the public. I just want to assure them that that column that where you agree, you know, because we only address certain comments and there's way over 100 of them. Like, if you go to the first agreed already incorporated, I should say, yellow, if you could just read the first couple so that people understand. Like, OK. So the native plants preserving the trees. The ones that Craig, like Craig went, like go down to the Burnett. Oh, the ones that are yellow. Yeah, just the ones that are yellow, because we'll deal with the other ones later. High visibility, Burnett Art Gallery, physically accessible Burnett Gallery, dedicated space for the gallery, accessible restroom on the main floor, should not look like a school, open space in the children's room. So these are again, these are all comments. These things are already in the works. So I believe column C is a column that doesn't need to be forwarded to FAA because it's already happening. Exactly. But it is accessible to the public and they can be this spreadsheet so they can feel like, well, what happened to my comment? So if the public looks it up and they see their comment and it's under that column, it means it's already in some form, thank you very much, but it's in the works and being incorporated. I just wanna make sure that, I mean, that's part of our process here that people don't feel like their comments, just go into the bucket and never to be looked at. So thank you. Austin, I completely agree with what you were saying. So that will come to us for the next meeting, which is May 24th, next Tuesday. So, Christine, I think we wanna be clear, Craig can help us be clear with this. We wanna be clear about our process with respect to these comments going forward. Yes. So there are a lot of comments that we haven't discussed this morning. How do we imagine that we, how and when do we imagine we're gonna discuss those comments as well as others as they are coming in? So my recommendation would be to have this as a recurring part of this design subcommittee meeting and then over the course of, so we know the comments gonna continue rolling in. So maybe not necessarily the next meeting, but the following meeting, open the list up again and take a look at maybe sort of a second tier of timeliness. So like these ones are the ones that we looked at today were the ones that need, that will in the design team is thinking about those items right now. And so I could do a similar thing and identify the things that I think they're gonna be thinking about in a couple of months. And so then we can tackle those. And then I can do like a third color for things that I think they'll be thinking about, you know, half a year from now. And those would be like the furniture and you know, things like that, paint colors. So, and then over the course of the next couple of months sort of tackle everything. And then as ones keep coming in, we can maybe have a line on our agenda, look at new items, new comments. Yeah, so I'll work with Craig. He'll come up with the next set that we should be evaluating in time for the next meeting. Fabulous, thank you Craig. And then I would think shortly thereafter if we could just do the rest of this batch because how I look at it is this batch was captured on May 11th and there'll be more outreach events coming up and of course ongoing efforts to collect comments. So you made this so easy Sharon. I think it's great if we sort of keep rolling and try to get through this batch. Even if the comments don't really affect for a year, you know, like landscaping, I think we could still organize them and go through them and then even set them aside for when they're needed. I'm sure FAA would love to have our answers sooner rather than later for all of them. That's true, because they're looking at the holistic the whole thing. You're right, they've got a vision they're trying to create and consistency in the whole design. So, okay. All right, so Craig, do you think we can do this for the next meeting? Like, well, this was a special. So we have one, well, we were gonna, yeah, we have one next on the 27th because FAA is coming back and they've got some stuff to show us. Maybe not that one, we could do two weeks after that in June and we could have another one of these just for comments. Or certainly, and I can even aim to have the, you know, the prioritizing is pretty quick. You know, I don't want to take 20 minutes to go through the whole thing. So I can do that, you know, for next week. All right. Yeah, we don't have to tackle them all next week, but then you'll at least have my recommendation on the timing. So we have the meeting on the 27th and then we have one on June 10th, which we're already got another event, right? And then there's June 24th, on the 27th meeting next week, I don't know how much FAA was bringing to us. So I don't want to overload the meeting is what I'm sort of pushing. Do you think we can do both or should that meeting be mostly about them? I agree with what you just said. I think that meeting should be mostly about them, sort of like what they've got to show us and sort of have a discussion about it. And then perhaps in the second meeting from now sort of tackle another batch of these sort of the next level priority. So maybe we could schedule a separate meeting, you know, not wait until two weeks after the 27th. It could be the 24th of June because we won't do June 10th because we have a field trip. Gotcha. So maybe we should just schedule another, could we do another one of these Thursday meetings? Yeah, like the week of May 30th. The week of May 30th, so you're talking about June 2nd. Yeah. How does the rest of y'all look for June 2nd, 1030 and we can slide it, I mean. I will be on vacation but I don't want to hold up the process. Are you on vacation that whole week? Yeah. We could go to... Because we could do the 9th, June 9th. Yes, as long as I don't get stuck in another state, I should be here. It's my first day back. And yeah, I have training from nine to three that day. So then the next, unless we switch off a Thursday and go to a different day, we could do the 16th of June, which I know sounds far off, but it really isn't and... How about we do... George, when do you go on vacation? Right after Memorial Day. So Christine, could we think about meeting, for example, either that Thursday the 26th, or it have to be after 1030 because I have a commitment, but either that or the following day, which is a Friday, 27th. You're talking about May 27th? May 26th or May 27th? That's what I'm proposing. Well, the 27th, we already have a meeting. So that's when FAA is coming. Okay. Well, then let's see. So we could do the day before if... I don't know. I mean, is... How about a kind of a double or back-to-back meeting on the 27th where we give FAA their full hour and then... So then we tackle a batch after them. Because I don't think they need to... I don't think we'd even want them necessarily sending through this process. And I'm okay with that. If people are okay with potentially a two-hour meeting... What time is the meeting on the 27th? 9.30. No, 9. Isn't it? 9. Sorry. Okay. 9. Yep. We could make it go to 11 instead of 10. I can't do that. Okay. So, I mean, Craig, there's not an emergency rush to get this, the rest of them down next week. Correct. So... You said you... I'm still... What about June 16th? I know it seems really far away, but sadly it's not. That works for me. What time? Because we're... What do we say when someone in the building committee says, we should be looking at all of these comments together for the point that you just made about, well, FAA wants to have the total vision. Are we going to say, well, we will, but it'll be in three weeks? Well, we're still... Through this schematic design, we're still collecting comments. I don't... I'm not privy to what is going on in outreach, but I know they're scheduling a bunch more events to collect more comments. So they are going to continue to come in and batches through... What do we think, Craig? Like July 1st? And even then, I think the intent is to leave that door open and allow for more comments to continue to come in. But it's just that if a comment happens to be able to lay out, you know, that ship will have sailed at that point, but if the comment is about a finished material or, you know, something about the interior look and feel, then that's something that can certainly be incorporated, you know, a couple of months from now. Right. And some of these, like landscaping, we may look at the comments now, but we could be re-looking at comments two years from now. So Christina, I have to get off in four minutes. What is your, what is your thought of this? I'm thinking June 16th. Was it 1030 again, or do we need to slide that? How does that work for people? Could we do it earlier than 1030? How does nine work for everyone? Anyone have a problem with nine o'clock on 16? I do have a conflict at nine, but... So when are you free, Craig? When are you free? From nine to 10 is my meeting. And so then I'm free at as early as 10. I'm free at 10. I'm free at 10. I'm free at 11. I'm free at 11. I'm free at 10. I'm free at 10. I'm free at 10. I'm free at 11. I'm free at 10. I'm free at 10. 10 o'clock on the 16th. Great. I'm looking at nodding heads. Okay. Angela. The final answer of 16th. 10. And we'll do phase two of these, this capture of the. May 11th comments. Right. Okay. Just quick. And I know you've got to go, Austin. But there. and the outreach committee about two community click and the other one is small town. And I'll talk about those and how they might be utilizing them through us. So it's sort of a technical thing. And I'll add that to the next agenda. Anything else, anyone? I shout out now. Okay, so we will no comments from the chair. So we can adjourn. Oh, public comment. Sorry, most important part. We only have two people right now. If you raise your hands, if you have a comment that you wanna say, please. And I'll give the moment here. I see the two people not seeing any hand up. So at this point we'll adjourn this meeting. Thank you very much. And I will see you all next Tuesday and then again next Friday. Thank you so much. Thank you. All right, this was great. Thank you all. Thank you all. Bye-bye. Thank you, Angela. Oh, I still see we're still recording. I just wanna.