 Yeah, if you want to Can be fun. They're talking about earth being destroyed by bypasses right now. Oh, I love that Looking for the proper keyboard because I've got all these things Yeah, I got I got to see Wonder Woman last night. How was it late showing? I loved I loved it. Oh, that was great You also saw dead men tell no tales. I Did that was okay. I saw that last week too. My son wanted me to that was entertaining. That was fine I put that I put that in my fine. It's like mind-blowing Amazing great good fine Pirates, is it fine? Wonder Woman's a great I I wanted to see Paul McCartney and I drifted off to sleep at one point I was that was I missed it. I was like at the very at the very end of the film I'm like, how are they gonna work him in here because it's like and then my son was like dead You fell asleep during the movie and you missed it You know We were so close to the screen that it was like I got a rest my head for a second I'm just resting my eyes. No, it's like I got a headache. I need to I'm happy to hear that Tom because they need to hit DC needs like a critical hit like this or it's done They're done. Yeah, I think this is gonna do well. I also have it in the movie draft, but Even then I still think what's rattling I hear some rattling. That's me. Yeah, that's I'm old Roger Because because kids would go after them they go after them anyway I Want small batch handcrafted artesional Small batch math small batch each one carefully crafted All right, I'm about ready In general Oh, I'm good when I'm always I'm always good. All right here we go Quality content thrives through the support of those who benefit from its creation If you gain value from the Daily Tech news show consider joining others like me who provide support learn how to help at Daily Tech news show Com slash support This is the Daily Tech news for Friday, June 2nd 2017 on Tom Merritt happy to be joined by Rob de Millo Venture partner at spark labs global and CTO at nimble collective go welcome back to the show Rob Thank You, sir. Appreciate that. Nice to be here. I always have to stop myself from saying sparkle labs You can say sparkle labs. I'll get phone calls later But yeah, but I just just because it's such a you're such a bring such a shiny presence That's why I want to say Both whatever senior heart Tom, we're gonna talk a little bit with Rob about net neutrality But not in the way you've heard us talk about before and we'll bring folks up to the basics if they haven't heard of it But mostly we want to talk about what effects do these regulations have on investment and they've changed over time They changed in the 90s. They changed in the mid 2000s. They changed in 2015. They're probably gonna change again So we're Rob, we're gonna get your opinion on where that's all at Yeah, also Len Peralta joining us. Good to have you back Len. Hey, it's good to be back See it feels like I haven't been here in a real long time Yeah, I was gone last week and then you were gone for a couple weeks cuz you yep You've got lots of good stuff going on lots of projects. You just finished a big project today So yeah, but it's good to be back. I feel like it's it's I'm back in the groove So good good. I can't wait to see what you illustrate our show with today. That should be fun Let's start with a few tech things you should know about Waymo told Buzzfeed and Reuters that it is testing an autonomous truck on public roads Waymo calls it a technical Exploration Rob, this is Waymo getting into uber's business with the whole auto Anthony Leventowski, blah, blah, blah, blah Yeah, yeah, that's it's You know, I'm convinced there's like one guy that invented these things and he's just kind of moving from company to company He's like the zealog of inventing Amazon voice service will now be able to set reminders and named Timers so the reminders if you say remind me start making chili in an hour Amazon echo in an hour would flash blue and tell you Hey, start making chili. You can also name different timers So if you have two different timers going at once it'll tell you which one is going off Yeah, they have they've got a lot of catch. I mean, so they've got 70% of market right now But coming up behind them is is Google home Yeah, which is always starting to incorporate a lot of these features because Google's got access to all the data ever In history, you know, and they know who you are and they know what you are They're doing clever things like they'll know if I'm speaking versus my girlfriend speaking or whatever and do the right thing So Amazon has to do something to keep Keep adding those features. Yeah, it's a feature race, which is good for us as consumers Qualcomm announced quick charge for plus. That's the successor to quick charge for if you're keeping track It makes batteries 3% cooler 30% more efficient and charges them 15% faster says Qualcomm first phone with quick charge For plus will be the ZTE Nubia Z17, which will sell in China for 3,999 you on that's about just under $600 So here's something I really curious about all of this like is this does this increase does this increase the battery efficiency and does it increase The potential for issues with Overcharged batteries in small it's actually one of the it's good to bring that up one of the qualifications for being able to use The charge for plus label is that you've met Qualcomm specifications at being able to handle overheating Recharging short circuits in a way that prevents them. You have to be able to show that. Hey, we've got systems in place to prevent that So you're not gonna see this on waffer thin phones. One hopes Yeah Now here are some more top stories Google announced Thursday will automatically add blocking To ads in the Chrome browser Targeting annoying ads like pop-ups and page takeovers starting next year Google's calling an ad filtering Because that's a nicer word Advertising industry that it relies on for all of its money the ad filter was developed by the coalition for better ads This is not a fake coalition This is you know got the interactive advertising bureau the Association of National Advertisers Facebook Procter and Gamble Unilever Big companies are involved. I think News Corp is even on this So they've tried to do the right thing and say look we want to make a better experience for people We're gonna put it in the Chrome browser and that will encourage publishers to have more responsible ads and For publishers, we're gonna let them force a choice through Chrome on people to either whitelist a site for ads If they have an ad blocker pay a small fee for ad removal or just not see the content at all Because those page takeovers those 10-second page takeovers are eliminated by this Chrome filter Rob What do you think of this? I hope it works I mean so it's the mobile browsing experience even a tablet browsing experience is becoming untenable you you jump to an article and Because of the slowness of a tablet or the screen size of the mobile device a page takeover Ad stops your device essentially for a little bit of time until the ad displays and you can't get to the content And I've been abandoning content. I've been noticing that myself. I just kind of go back and say I'm not gonna deal with this So if it removes Page takeovers Effectively on mobile and tap and tablet Chrome devices that would be yeah, but if it that's one of the things Google said is they Want to get this going before people start learning to put in ad blockers on mobile because It's still a minority of people that use them on the desktop But it's a way bigger percentage that used to be and right now I think it's only 1% of users on mobile yet. So they yeah down the other side of this though Is this any trust? I mean worldwide Google has around almost 60% of the browser market sure And and now they're saying we're going to tell you what ads will be seen by our people Is that abuse of their market position? No, not if they state it very clearly if if they say look This is our ad policy if you conform to this ad policy go crazy But if you don't conform to the ad policy then we're gonna knock you off And as long as they keep it very black and white that way, they're not gonna have an issue I think they'll be appreciated more I think the the biggest thing they they they have on their side is that they brought in a lot of large Advertisers in Unilever and Procter and Gamble and such so they've made tried to make this in a way that is palatable to them and If they can get this scheme in other browsers, let's say Safari picks it up or or Edge I think that would go a long way towards saying no, this is just an industry standard. It's an external thing Yeah, they've got they have to work with a lot of the ad agencies I don't know if you read any of the digital ad blogs and all the rest that stuff, but they're everyone's eyes are on what's happening so Nintendo announced the switch online service will come out in 2018 it'll cost you four dollars a month or you can prepay three months at a time for eight dollars or twenty dollars a year And that gets you multiplayer gaming But also access to classic Nintendo titles You can play those many times as you want as often as you want They're not going to do a monthly limit, which is what we had heard previously and not doing that A mobile app is going to arrive this summer in a limited version then eventually launch for real next year That will allow you to do chat and set game appointments and manage a few other features of your online Presence on the Nintendo switch. Are you someone who's gotten pulled into the switch at all? No, you know what? I'm a huge gamer actually I've got but I'm more in the Sony camp and sometimes in the Microsoft Xbox camp and a little bit of mobile gaming But Nintendo has never been in my sweet spot at least not since the you know the 90s 80s and 90s So I haven't even tried the switch yet. So You gotta get first of all, you got to try it. Just I do I have one and I'll be honest I haven't played it in a while because I've gotten really busy and I but I haven't played any games in a while But when I first got it I was playing it a lot more because I didn't have to fight for television time I got a I got a close enough experience and when I pulled it out of the dock that I'm like Oh, I can actually play well. I lean watches the voice, you know, and then everybody's happy And I think it's really well done. I don't know that this online subscription is gonna be the kind of thing That's gonna change anybody's minds though. Well, it helped. I mean, I think they have to do it. Don't they do Yeah, they exactly they have the PS what's it called on the PlayStation PS one I think that's a great service, right? And they've got something similar in Microsoft and so they actually have to do this and $20 a year. That's that's reasonable Yeah, that's nothing South Korea has topped akamai's latest chart of the fastest internet speeds in the world with an average of 28.6 megabits per second That's not a surprise. South Korea always on top of these lists followed by Norway at 23.5 megabits per second The average internet connection in the US rose to 18.7 megabits per second in Q1 That's up 22% over last year. So the US getting better Still has the US ranks 10th in the world and don't forget these rankings don't include mobile speeds These are just desktop speeds Washington DC actually has the fastest internet of metropolitan areas in the US And Korea a lot obviously for sparklabs. So when I'm in Seoul, it's like you've traveled to the future Everyone's everyone there's Wi-Fi everywhere. I don't even bother anymore getting sim chips for the phone You just turn the phone on and I use Google voice for doing all my communications and I'm off and running and it is Extremely fast and it is extremely ubiquitous. I was using project Phi in Japan to great effect because they have the the roaming agreements and that worked great Then I went to South Korea for some reason and I've heard other people had different experience But for some reason project Phi just couldn't get a good connection in Seoul So interesting, but it didn't matter because there's like you said There's so much Wi-Fi and it's so fast. It was better than the data connection that I would have gotten anyway Just using Wi-Fi various places. So yeah, that doesn't surprise me It is I mean it is a testament to the fact that we're seeing more competition in the US in various markets that we see this rise But the rise is still very uneven as you well know Well and the best part is that right as you're trying to explain that you're your bandwidth kind of Dropped out and we couldn't hear what you were saying as if to demonstrate it Yeah, yeah, it's demonstrable All right in August Dutch startup nerd allies will begin its second pilot of a program to install Servers in 42 people's homes. These are corporate servers corporate data servers in order to heat water So this is phase two the first phase Started in 2015 that phase just heated the room that the server was in it tried to reduce heating costs So now they're trying to integrate it more with the home system nerd allies believes it can save the average household 300 euros a year on Heated water and cost companies 50% less for their data services to I Love this idea, but I also just think about like okay What happens when there's a leak either way data or water? You know, what if somebody has to come in and reboot the server? Do they always have access to your house? Like how does this work? Yeah, cuz I it's true I think it's tremendous But I have exactly the same problem like the guy from Silicon Valley showing up at your house and go Hey, I gotta go to your basement Yeah, Guilfoyle In your basement imagine that I mean I guess we have our water heater out in the garage It's one of those electric ones that doesn't store the water. It just super heats it Really fast. So I guess you could you could have a limited access area that people could get to but still it's It's weird, but you know 300 euros and it's close 500 bucks, right? You know, there there could be Rather than putting in people's homes You could get away with having server farms that are heating water for steam generation Yeah, and you know if you centralize it all the problems that you and I Didn't go away and this doesn't seem to be any real reason to decentralize I think yeah I wonder just I wonder More about I I see how a hot server could could heat some water and and save you some money on on on your water heater I wonder more about that 50% less for data services I mean I get the theory behind it, but I wonder if that really pays off or what scale do you have to have? for that that to come together not very Much actually, I don't know if you remember any of the times that revision three when the the HVAC would die in our server closet and We'd have almost had to evacuate the building because there was just the heat would just blow out of that place. Yeah, yeah More details have come out regarding the breach of enterprise password manager one login the company said a threat actor obtained access to a set of keys and Use them to access Amazon web services API from an intermediate host with another smaller service provider in the US That's how they got in the attacker access database tables with customer info. That's why they're warning people one login has not Clarified its earlier statements that the attackers may have gained the ability to decrypt Customer data that implies that these things weren't either properly protected in They're talking about problems that they are encrypted at rest, but maybe there are things in transit It raises a lot of questions Rob. Well, it raises a lot of questions and This is this would be the death knell for a company like this I mean though the you know these companies like one pass and last pass and and the rest of they It is the protection of the technology to protect your specific information That is the only thing that they're relying on going forward and if this is a real thing If they really got hacked they don't get a second chance. Yeah, and this could bring a company like this down And on the one hand saying there is a slight possibility that there could be decryption is what I as a sys had been need to know On the other hand, there don't seem to be doing a good job at least in public of explaining what they mean like that Which leads me to want to have the worst interpretation And people will I mean there there's already a lack of understanding about how all the cloud services work in the general population at large and so when someone comes along with Problem like this and it makes it vague marketing It doesn't go along with it to making people feel better. Yeah, so hopefully though They'll have more clarification on why maybe it's part of their investigation that they don't want to say too much yet But I hope they do Because we mentioned 700 clients for one log in that is a low number I'm seeing estimates of thousands around the world that they have so that they have been a fast-growing enterprise company Up until this point Up until Thursday. Yeah To get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes. Don't forget folks You can subscribe to daily tech headlines comm. That's a separate show. It's just five minutes real brief Keeps you up to date that way if you miss one of these shows you can go back and listen to it when you want to And still be up to date We also have it available on Amazon Echo as a flash briefing and in the anchor app Where you actually get each one as a bite-size element that you can page through and make calls in and stuff at anchor Fm that's a look at our top stories All right, not gonna get too much into what's going on With net neutrality in the United States because we've covered that very well But just to bring anybody up to speed and maybe miss that or your new listener Back in February 2015 the FCC classified ISPs as telecommunications providers thus Regulating them as common carriers that allowed the FCC Based on court decisions to say okay We can now say all bits are equal and you can't be prejudiced against one bit or another Previously ISPs have been classified as information service providers which allowed which prevented the FCC from Putting in those open internet guidelines But of course before that in the late 1990s the ISPs were considered telecommunications providers So now we're going back. Ajit Pai on May 18th issued a notice of proposed rulemaking by the FCC to revert ISPs back To being information services and therefore eliminating the open internet guidelines that relied on common carrier If you want to make a comment on that you have until August 16th in the United States to comment But here's the part of the notice for proposed rulemaking that I want to focus on Pi writes investment in broadband networks declined under the past two years Open internet guidelines internet service providers have pulled back on plans to deploy new and upgraded infrastructure and services to consumers now Rob, I know you're not specifically in the the network infrastructure business, but as an investor What have you been seeing? Since 2015 in the change and what do you think you're going to see if this notice carries through and they reclassify again so there is a lot to unpack here and And You know, and it's hard to have these conversations without getting too political So I'm not even going to try and put the filter on so sorry In the case of pi he's he's had this be up his bonnet for a long time I think it's important to remember that he was a lawyer for Verizon And so he got the other end of the stick and so when he talks about things like he's going to declassify The concept of the internet Back he's talking about his growth path that he saw at Verizon. That was pretty much free of any sort of Highway on the you know information superhighway. There's no sign. Yes Spend its money how it wanted implementing whatever plans it want exactly exactly and so when he talks about slowdowns That's what he's talking about With regards to smaller companies what it did was open the market up for small companies like sonic and a bunch of other To the curb to home Providers which never had that opportunity before so there is growth in the actual infrastructure stage On a community level, right? So that's that's that's one point. Yeah, and we saw the akamai Results are looking better. They're certainly not great, but they're looking better than they have Yeah, absolutely And the other reason that you're seeing growth slowdown from the big carriers from Verizon 18t And you know, I think Verizon stopped doing fios installations But the reason has nothing to do with any of this it has to do with the fact that they're all switching to over the air signal They're all switching to lte Well, even google fibers is moving that way. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean the growth area is always going to be in the wireless space right that's just the way it works and That's what's happening now in the united states people are companies are betting on faster and faster services and 5g radios and the rest of it to deliver better than broad bend speeds directly And then they have unmetered ratings and they can they can kind of go from there. So it's All that is going on is, you know, they're lifting up the veil of Allowing big businesses to continue to operate that they the way they used to do and it is going to bring back the concept of tiered pricing For people that that can afford it, right and the thing that makes it difficult To explain to the general public is at first blush. It does very much seem as though the public is getting a good deal They have cheaper access to netflix and cheaper access to amazon video and cheaper access to Their favorite, you know broadcast television station That an at&t or a verizon could be charging netflix and therefore lower its monthly rates That's right. And then that sounds great. That sounds great to be able to like pay a dollar and get HBO go right that that sounds like a wonderful wonderful thing what it does not take into consideration is you and you know twit and a bunch of other networks out there that are that are trying to Generate revenue in the same way and play on a level playing field and they won't be able to do that so it's uh The moves that are being taken right now Are the antithesis to the moods that were taken in the Obama administration where they were trying to allow Smaller companies and smaller infrastructure providers Equal footing on the same food chain. So There's nothing good that comes out of this. So when you look at potential investments, how is this changing What what kinds of things you're you're willing to get behind? Does it affect that? Yeah, a little bit people are nervous and and it hasn't changed the investment landscape yet, but it will over 2017 and 2018 Uh, you're going to see probably people questioning investments in content companies so, uh, you know Companies like revision three or like makers studio or some of these companies that existed Seven or eight or nine years ago for the the sole purpose of creating delivering And and producing content Investments in those companies may be questioned It would unless they had direct deals with Netflix or amazon or msnbc or or one of the big boys that actually can get you on to Broadband fairly quickly people will start to wonder why They're I have maintained that you know the the battle here is between big companies on one side of big companies on the other Right, there's a certain set of big companies that benefited with wheelers regulations There's a different set as you've mentioned that benefit with pies regulations But who still is just a football in all of this is the consumer Who pays for the isp because guess what you still don't have a lot of choice And you're still not getting a lot of speed now 10th in the world ain't bad But you would think that the united states with silicon valley and everything would it would be a little higher than that So I don't think it's like you can have arguments and I I went on a rant in a post show one time about How the internet is definitely a telecommunications service not an information service when you look at those two definitions But the two definitions actually don't neither one of them really fit And what we need is something that redefines isp is like this is a new thing and Encourages competition because even even without a lot of competition The Comcasts and Verizon's the world were still very tentative because of public backlash to do much To violate net neutrality now granted wheeler put a stop to it for a couple years. It looks like they're going to get the green light I don't expect them to rush back in and put to your internet the next day because they will get so much negative press But it would be good if the pressure was coming from other competitors like a sonic Like these others so that no one would want to do it because not only would you get bad press but you would also Lose customers because they'd go somewhere else Sure. Well, it's expensive too. I mean fighting that battle Is a rounding error for the horizons and the 18 t's of the world But for a company like sonic some of these other smaller Providers it's it's a big deal and it's a significant portion of the revenue And you have to question whether you want to do that and do all the math Inside the company to see if there's you know return on investment So it's not just as easy as saying. Oh, well, they should You know go pick it for whatever you know people are expecting to do and with regards to your first point Um, I have always felt uh, and even more strongly feel that that the internet is utility And should be treated as a utility It's not like television It doesn't really matter if you know, you don't get your espn game or you haven't watched the bachelorette Right that that's not an important thing. It is important However, if your children do not have access to the same quality information stream that somebody else's children have Yeah, I mean ask yourself ask yourself Yeah, go ahead. I'm sorry No, no, go for it. Go for it. I was going to say ask yourself when you're saying is it a telecommunication service or an information service An information service offers the capability of generating acquiring storing transforming processing retrieving utilizing or making available information Via telecommunications So when you're thinking of telephone, that's not the telephone company. That's the 1 800 number, right? That's the place you call Think about the internet is the internet up is the internet service provider Giving you the content itself or is it the transmission between or among points specified by you? You put in a domain name now pie's trying to argue like well, but you don't know exactly where that domain name points to You don't know the ip address. You don't know where it's stored You also don't know what exchanges the telephone number is using to get to the person you're calling In fact, sometimes you don't even know their telephone number You just click rob in your phone and it goes there. That doesn't mean you're not using a telecommunication service Absolutely, and I would even argue it's even basic more basic than that Like you can't it's illegal to shut off gas in in new england to elderly who can't pay the gas, right and This is very similar to me It is you can't cut off the flow of information to a disenfranchised group of people and you can't give the information uh, you can't give information a pass to companies that can afford it and You know, maybe nonprofit companies that are trying to get their messages out in the same in the same van You just can't do that kind of thing and in 1970 So this is another thing that I don't hear people talk about a lot and I'm not sure why in 1975 There was a there was something called the FCC newspaper broadcasts cross ownership rule and the idea of that was that a single media conglomerate could not own a television station And a newspaper that covered more than I forgot what it was 60 or 70 percent of the market that they were in One entity could not do that and then what happened was the internet, right? And all of that got subverted and so people were sticking by those rules because they're still in place as far as I know But um, the internet sort of moved in and then rupert murdoch could say okay Well, I'm going to you know open these, you know, you know, fox news can push their stuff out over the internet And we can still maintain this balance between television and and newspapers and then newspapers came less important. So anyway, so That distinction is going away and what's happening Is that you now have a bunch of information providers across the united states? That are providing the majority of information to the masses Right now it is a level playing field But what's going to happen with this ruling is those companies and I think there's only 15 of them. Honestly, you know, there's murdochs and and and Bezos and you know there's a bunch of people that that own these conglomers They can afford to pay that right and so what's going to happen is that you've got Just a few sources of information that have been given the privileged golden key to the one pipe going into your house Yeah, and when you want to go, how do you think that's that next the verge the next boy genius report It's going to suffer. It's not going to load as well. That's correct. Yeah, that's correct Well, uh, well, thanks for sharing your perspective robber appreciate that and we'll we'll definitely keep checking in on this And folks, let us know what you think too feedback at daily tech news show dot com Or even just put some stories up on the subreddit. Thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit You can submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news show dot reddit dot com A few messages of the day First one here comes from blitz From thank goodness the pool isn't too hot to swim in yet phoenix arizona Uh says last year my daughter was traumatized by the fact we could no longer watch doctor who on netflix I research traumatizing honestly. I know right I researched for something that was a diy netflix Based on that research I bought a lifetime plex pass last year Installed plex on a spare linux box with the media directory pointed at my nas a drobo five n Dug around on the interwebs for a while and now I have a system that is costing me money Every week because what he does is he set up a script and I'll I'll have all the details in the show notes He set up a script so that he just puts a dvd in Uh to to the the drive of the computer it automatically rips it and codes it puts it on the plex server And then next time he walks by the desktop pops it out puts in a new one So he says This is so easy. I ripped more than 190 movies over the course of a couple weeks Now i'm out of dvds to rip and I started buying new ones for the first time in five years So yes, I love plex and because of plex i'm actually spending money on physical media again. That that's hilarious. Yeah I mean that's that's just a marketed efficiency right there, right like Yeah, it's I don't even know how to classify that because you're right. He's he's buying physical media to create The digital equivalents like if there were a dr. M free video store this whole thing would be silly, right? There'd be no reason for it But every video store has dr. M and won't work the way he wants the door Yep, uh, by the way, he should he should sign up for brit box For oh for brit box. He should he should buy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, dr. Who get the old dr Who's uh james said I had a thought this morning while I was listening yesterday's show What if part of the amazon apple deal to get amazon on apple tv? Was that siri could connect to amazon to order things? So we got two stories going on here One is the rumor that there'll be a siri smart speaker at wwdc on monday And the other one is the idea that amazon and apple have set aside their differences and amazon's video app is coming to apple tv He says Being able to order things seems to be a big thing that users of the echo have and apple doesn't have stuff to sell Other than tech gear So he thinks it's a big hole in their strategy that they could fill by saying all right fine amazon Uh, we will let you be the store for things that aren't in the app store On the siri smart speaker if you just give in and give us the video app So so can I soap box for a minute? Yeah, sure. Is that okay? Okay, so so apple I think you and I have had this conversation offline before but the apples never really understood Well, they make beautiful products Everyone's very happy with their products, but they're a closed ecosystem They always have been since their inception and it it bites them in various ways And this is one of the ways it bites them they they don't sell very much on their store because They don't play well with others If this deal does allow Better between apple and amazon. It's a good thing for apple, but it it feels a little bit like a tenuous band-aid Feels a little bit like something at any point amix on could go You know what? No, we're gonna we're gonna make the deal with netflix So we're gonna make the deal with google or we're gonna do whatever and not with you So it they don't have their own stuff So all they can do is beg borrow and and cooperate with people that they've been ticking off actually over the last several years All right. Well, there you go james, uh interesting theory though Thanks for writing in and let's check in with len peralta before we're out of here find out what he has been drawing Len you've been drawing shower pictures. Yes. I you know out of all the stories today the one that really kind of uh Really caught my fancy was a story about servers heating up water. I think it's ingenious Although I think there might be a problem and you kind of hinted at it Tom about data leaks Not it would be a leak in the shower, but data leaks are very uh problematic could be very important So this this cartoon is a young man in the shower and it's saying the server is telling him a data leak Has allowed you to successfully compromise the digital infrastructure of krakow poland Also, your shower temp has been optimized to 86 degrees and you missed a spot. You're welcome. So Very strange. I think there'd be some kind of weirdness going on there. Uh, honestly, although I think it's a great idea I think it's ingenious. Uh, just uh, I don't know if I'd necessarily be ready for this Don't locate the server in the bathroom. Yeah, that'd probably be Probably be a good idea for multiple reasons for multiple reasons. Yeah You never know who's you know, who's looking so Check it out folks. Len Peralta store.com. You can take a look at that That art you can buy it digitally or a print out to have sent to you as well. Oh, it's perfect It's perfect. Good to have you back. Lynn. Hey, it's good to be back. Rob. D'amillo. Thank you so much For joining us if people want to follow you and what you're doing online. Where should they go? Let's see twitter. I'm uber rob Um, I you can find actually if you go to about me slash rob d'amillo, you'll find all my connections Go do that. 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Yeah, what are we gonna go to uh showbot.tv folks if you want to SWW BOT dot tv. All right Google shoving the page takeover under the rug Followed up by aws amazon water and shower That's fine This level playing field keeps keeps tipping me over Your data heats my shower keep it up But what if there's a leak? The FCC has its fingers in too many pies. Yeah, that's kind of gross sounding actually Don't take that literally but yet accurate server to shower each day Uh aws all web server showering Server if you really want to take a piehole Such a ooh, we're such a piehole. It's good. You might feel like that. I don't know. I'm gonna vote for that one such a file Uh google shoving the page. Oh wait, we already did that one ISP VIP you gotta freeze you gotta freeze while reading. Otherwise they jump around Coal adoration on ad blocking. I like zoe brings bacon submitted rob has perfect timing So That's pretty funny stuff You know, if somebody wanted to really like amazon water and shower that's yeah Oh, yeah, that's great. Actually My thing is like wouldn't that put the server at risk of uh potential hacking just having it physically there Well, it doesn't I've never actually heard of this happening. So this is this is kind of cool But I if they centralize this to a server farm and then that's a brilliant solution because they could they could operate as a fuel plant Yeah, yeah, yeah, no that that idea was great. That that makes perfect sense And it gets rid of rogers worry because yeah, like 42 houses You could trust all of them won't like because they've got physical access to that server I mean, I guess it's locked up, you know Well, you can but it's I it's it's just one of those things that ultimately for security you'd like to be able to ensure the yeah How many how many exploits do we talk about we're like, but you'd have to have physical access and it's like Yeah, exactly And I'm assuming these are all on the outside of people's residences that they're in a you know, like the same way that the Our company has things set up. It's probably in a lockbox on the outside of so too But which means that anybody could break into it Including raccoons Or if I mean, you could even just be something like malicious vandalism where someone just goes through like, oh, I'm a competitor I'm just gonna whack on all these boxes Yeah, that sounds although it's a great idea for uh for bitcoin mining Unlimited supply of power Thank you I do like the power generation idea that that's pretty cool No putting it putting all in a server like that that yeah or in a server center You like like you're then use like mood lighting or whatever to make it a lot more foreboding like reds and oranges Well, you just run you just run copper pipes down by all the servers And and have them have physical contact with you know Piece of metal coming out of the servers and just run them out of the building and just do a big loop Yeah, and you got it Is basically doing anything of like that with their open data center design I don't know. I heard that google was putting something in utah that was apparently a green server installation But I don't know what it means. I don't know what that means I wonder if it if the any of the excess heat is just reused to regenerate power to offset It should be It should be but that'll that'll start the perpetual motion conspiracy nuts on going Wait, is No, what do you mean? There's no such thing. Is there Perpetual motion conspiracy nuts. Oh, yeah No, oh, yeah You forget there's there's a certain percentage of the population has about this much information about physics in their head I mean, there are still flat earthers out there. Come on Yeah, but I always thought that was just like uh, I thought that was just Roger. Have you been you know trolling Roger, have you been on the internet? One thing for someone to type that stuff, but it's another thing for that person to sincerely believe Oh People do people absolutely Roger you misunderstood you underestimate the Yeah Look who's running our country Well, I have my I I don't want to get too political, but it wasn't so much that he won as so much someone lost I don't know that he is a perpetual motion conspiracy theorist. No, but he is a bag full of hot air that seems to We got this idea for always getting power. It's a great idea. It's the best idea we ever had If you put a stillsuit on him from dune To see and see if you just recycle that They will that should be all of us. That would be I would wear on We all should be getting that didn't somebody create a stillsuit. They did but it was only for sweat I don't remember. I don't remember collecting the um the solid solid waste Because that one never makes I mean, even even if you were walking you'd still have to That's what space suits are Yeah Space suits recycle urine and and sweat. Uh, I don't The fremen had a notorious lack of fiber in their diet So You know, they were they were they were born when they were born their intestines were immediately siphon off into a colostomy Yeah I never understood that these people lived in the desert and you were using You know, basically bronze age tools and yet they could develop these really advanced stillsuits Oh I get it for there You know, I understand the whole things of metaphor and stuff, but come on really They they couldn't have a couple of phd's that are high priests in their society Did you ever read um, uh, uh, uh, canicle for levoids. Oh, yeah, that's the plot of canicle for levoids. Yeah Oh, okay. I I've heard of it. Yes. It's yes. It's after the apocalypse. I think I really like it It's really good. Roger. Yeah, it's a great book Some parts of it are a little dated because they're very cold war era But but even that kind of you know, it's coming back around to be more applicable. So, yeah So, you know, you know what? Sarah norton gave me the paper back for and I was going to read it and then I moved Oh, so it's in a box somewhere. Yeah, I can't You can get it. I'm sure for yeah Not much money. It's a it's a great book. I haven't read it for like 34 years, but we read it for sorden laser a year or two ago, I think And and the cool thing about it was, uh, there were two different versions kicking around apparently Oh, really? Yeah, because one had been updated To say I may be confusing this with another book actually There was one that was updated to say russians instead of soviets, but I maybe that wasn't canicle That might have been a different book Interesting But it's the same sort of thing where like there are some some long deep history things that apply Certain global events persisted longer than they did mostly relating to the soviet union, but Yeah, well, I mean back back in that day. I mean the soviet union was kind of and uh immutable It was just going to be there. Actually, you remember how you were telling me Like you you were worried about a nuclear holocaust In the 21st century and that was it. So you didn't think worry about anything past through your 2000 I was running under the assumption that the soviet union would be there in the year like You know, oh, yeah me too. Oh, we all did we all did I I remember what was it 86 that fell apart is that 89 89 I remember it happening and you know, I was I guess it was 29 at the time And I I couldn't believe it It was it was fascinating to watch and I had this like utopian thing of like, oh, it's a great new future going forward There'll be a european union which there eventually was and I I know it was 89 I never saw the orange guy. I know it so well because in 1989 I was studying russian at the University of Illinois And I had planned to do an exchange program with the soviet union and I was fascinated I was like, I can't wait to see the soviet union and then By the time it was time to apply not only was there no soviet union But there was no one to talk to at leningrad state Where oh, yeah, where the exchange pro like people weren't picking up the phone And and then one guy's like, oh, yeah, it won't be a problem. It'll be it'll be fine Uh, and then never got back to me and it was and I didn't end up going because I just I I didn't luck into the right system of events because some people got into the program But it was so disorganized That I didn't end up ever going I don't I don't know if you know this when I was at when I worked for nasa jpl It was during the soviet era and I go to the soviet union. I go to icky Which was their their their space agency. Yeah, and I've gone a few times and it was Bizarre and I was still in the Still in those government programs when things started to fall apart And so so it was interesting to kind of go there year after year And I get this kind of like snapshot through time of what was happening. Oh, yeah I mean, you think it's weird when when you're working at a company They get staked over by another company and the signs haven't changed yet. I mean imagine an entire country. Yes That's a beautiful way to express it. That's literally what was going on. Yeah, nobody knew what to do Uh, it was really like they started getting choices like there's a there's a big department store in Moscow called goom Oh, yeah Yep, and it used to be like this is where you buy the bread and this is where you buy the apron for your wife And this is what you know and now other mark, you know other markets opened up and and choice started happening And no idea what to do. Yeah, like why do I need more than one type of bread? Why do I need different walks? Yeah It's fascinating I don't know if it's actually supposed to be goom itself, but they have some great sets in the americans Uh and some parts that take place in Moscow where they show Those those grocery stores and how it's like a farm are the pickles and here That's so funny. I got I haven't seen that show yet. I still have to watch it Ah All right guys, I'm logging off my my daughter made um muddy buddies. So I gotta go get them Checks with chocolate and oh, they're just so good muddy buddies. Look them up. Have a good weekend man. Thanks. Good. I'll be back Yeah, thank you. I will uh, good meeting you and uh, we'll see you this week after. Yes Take care, buddy. Bye Talk we're out of here too. Thanks everybody for watching. Yes, sir. Yes, sir You guys are the best best the best