 We then win the charity seal at Wembley with the Brucey bonus, so we, not only have we matched Liverpool, we then go and beat them at Wembley, all be a charity seal, but it was a big win against the unbelievable, to any of the European champions as well. So again, that was another little box tick, it was another little affirmation, and I remember hearing, it might have been, it might have been, I mean it's hard for me to say Lawrenceon because he doesn't ever say anything good about everything. But I remember him saying, he knew after the milk of final, he was like, these are coming for us and they're a proper team. That was his words, what they said to each other after the milk of final. So to then play them again at the first day of the season and beat them, we end up beating them three times that season, played them three times, beat them three times, and you know, that as a fan is the belief starts to come. But like you said, remember, the spares game, we're running round at the FA Cup about half, two or something, quarter, three. Now, wasn't that me too, wasn't that, that was the UT, me and Lawrenceon, that's what I've seen. UT, mate, we had two trophies, they won the FA Youth Cup the same season as us, so they did the trophy presentation. They did the trophy thing, you scored eight in each scores of pen and it's like normal service regime there, let's go. And then John Tia Dosey and Clive Alan Torres are part of me, we end up getting B4 on. But I mean... Remember it very well, mate, I'm thinking, oh no, here we go again. Here we go, yeah. But I mean, we went obviously the first two games, we then go and wear this beautiful kit here. At Chelsea on a Friday night, Kevin Litterton and we win the game 1-0, which was live on the BBC, it was a massive win for us. But you know, ticking along, you scored your first goal of the season against Southampton at home in a 2-2 and then scored three games on the run, showing your prowess in front of goal. But I want to talk to you just very quickly about the European Cup winners' cup and UCD, which was, when we got them, it was at 8-0 away, 9-0 at home, yes please, and we drew 0-0 away. I mean, what was that like going and playing, going and playing in Dublin? I remember going to Dublin and staying at the airport in a hotel, and then in those days, it was always a police escort from the hotel to the ground, excuse me. And then, oh, we need 45 minutes to get to the ground this summer. So these four or five outriders come. We get on the team bus at some silly time because Howard didn't like getting there too early. He didn't like people hanging around the ground. He wants us to be there no more than an hour and 15, an hour and 10 minutes before kick-off. In those days, it was half seven kick-off. So they were on the bus at half past five, so off we go. And these outriders stopped everything on the roads. We were going through red lights at 90 man an hour because there was an Ivy Stripe in an Ivy's coat. We were going like a lunatic. And then they got the ground in about 15 minutes. So we had that long round the ground to wait to get ready. And we were walking on, I think it was Tolka Park. I remember it was Tolka Park or not now, weren't we? We were walking around and we were looking at it and we were confident. And we did play well against them. We just couldn't put them on the back of the net. We had a chance after a chance and couldn't score. So you're all thinking, oh, here we go again. No, how could we not score against the team for apart timers? But you see now how hard it is sometimes in the FA Cup when an on-lead time team player, a Premier, a topside, look at the topside, two years after in the FA Cup, losing something, United. It happens in the second game. Again, we had a chance. We just couldn't score. We got one. And I'm not sure that the day it closed, we never made a save in it. In the late, late hours. Seconds, yeah. I'm going, we couldn't be out. It could have been a totally different season if that ball had ended up in the back of our net. But we didn't play badly. We just couldn't score. And then we scraped through. You're waiting for the draw. You're all thinking, oh, let's have one of the bigger teams. But no, you don't want the bigger teams on the way through in that. I think it was, was it Bratislav the next game? I think it was. It checked us for that year. I think Grace scores his scores away in Bratislav. I think it was three. I think we got a good of some part. One on three. And then we're through. And then Sitard, Andy Gray's great set of hat trick on against Sitard. And we went away. And there was semi-final. Can you think of who you're going to get? We're going to be getting the ball up there. Pause for that, because we'll go through the season book. That's an unbelievable game. So I want to throw that. I mean, the two things I remember from UCD was we had to wear our away-kits at home in the second leg. But that was the rule. I think that was your way for rule at the time. The visiting team wore their home kits. The home team had to change their away-kits. It was the way for rule at the time, yeah. Madro, we had that on Sharp's score after 10 minutes and then we just couldn't score. And then they got a free kick. I remember they got a free kick. Must have been the last kick of the game. And I remember just sitting there thinking, this drops in, that's it. We're out and never made a brilliant save. It was bizarre, but I mean, I remember we lost it. After that, we went to Arsenal and got beat 1-0 at Arsenal to see how Lee Nicholas scored a penalty. But then we won 10 games on the run, which was just showing you that this team was starting. There were 10 consecutive games. I mean, within that was the 1-0 at Anfield, which you talked about, which, as an eponymous, was just incredible. 14 years since we beat them there to score. The goal we did was incredible. But we were brilliant as well. We were just a brilliant performance. And then that week, we won in Czechoslovakia, like you say, Bray said, after four minutes at Bratislava. Then on the satay, we beat United 5-0. One of the best things we've been involved in that was a superb performance for everyone. One of the best performances I've ever seen from Everton, because it should have been 10. It was five. They were a good side, by the way. And we absolutely blitzed them from start. I mean, the only surprise is that you never scored. We scored five goals and you didn't get one of them. That was the only thing. I've got to share them round, Bas, haven't I? Yeah, you've got to. And then we go to United four days later and beat them in the league cut 3-1 as well, which, you know, that's you winning the old Trafford of the year before, going through old Trafford and winning again, you know, on beat Bratislava. The first game we lost after the 10 straight wins was Grimsby at home in the cup. And we had about 40 attempts at goal. They only had one chance for Wilkinson. Ninety-eighth minute. Goed laid on, didn't he? And then we signed in on the back of that. But I remember that was a horrible, wet, stinking night as well. And again, we just couldn't score. It's not as if we didn't create chances. If you play well and don't create chances, but we played round, we just couldn't score. You know, it's all the same. Maybe getting out of the milk cup helped us. We didn't want that too many competitions at year, did we? No, we didn't want to win everything. But we didn't put a decent little run to get then a couple of... We lost our own to Chelsea 4-3 on the 22nd I was pancer, I think. I was pancer, I love that. Well, Golden Dave has got a hat trick, didn't he? Yeah, I was pancer, I was rubbish. OK, I'm going to call you out for it, I'm just saying we love it. I'm telling you, mate, I was crap that day, I tell you. Well, you know what? I'm surprised if you get dropped. Four days later, it was a good job he did. And because we went to Sunderland on 1-2, wanting you got both of them on Boxing Day. But that start of the... After that, you scored nine goals, there were nine straight wins on the run, right after the Chelsea game. But we went 28 games unbeaten from Chelsea till we lost a knotting in Forrest on the 11th of May. You don't realise how easy it is to get into these runs. You know, we just moved, we just moved them. There's been lots of videos out recently because of the Howard's Wave film. Some of the football we played, I didn't realise how much good football we played until you actually sit back and watch. As a player, you know you're playing good football. And you can watch it as a fan, but in those days, there wasn't a great deal of TV football around. So we did not see a great deal of our games, but some of the football we played, when you look at the videos, it was brilliant. You talk about pressing, we pressed high up, we had a high line, we had energy, we had pace. You know, we played some really, really good stuff. And I didn't realise, as I see a lot of these videos recently, of how good we actually played, but when you say 28 games undefeated from the 19th of December, sometimes it was just an amazing time to be around. We grew as a team, we grew as a group of players, we grew as a club, and as fans, you grew as well with us. Unbelievable, 28 games on me now. I've said this to other players who spoke to me, go three games now, with Elm Beacon, I'm dancing in the streets. So 28 games and 10 wins on the run, then a draw, then nine wins on the run. I mean, obviously, when I go back over it, it brings it all back, and you just think I was so lucky to witness this team, because it was incredible. I mean, you scored, come up with a massive goal against Ipswit at your home, at the street, ending the cup, to keep us in that. You know, off the sheets, it's two free kicks, and I'll take it again. I've had a little mistake for one of their goals as well. He's rushed over, never let ball through his legs, one of their goals, and he's got to think it was. That was my first goal at the street, then. Almost all the goals at the far end. And everyone says, watch your most important goal, and you've got to bring up the minute, but without that equaliser in the last minute against Ipswit, there's no semi-final. So for me, my most important goal is the Ipswit games, the equaliser. Because if I don't get that without the cup, and there's no semi-final where I get all the praise, and all the adulation for the goal of the score, but that equalising against Ipswit, there isn't a semi-final, there's no replay without the cup. That was another day goal. It really plays the ball into Pat Bandanau, is on the right-hand side of it. What's he doing up there, Pat? What are you doing? You should be back there defended. A little flick over his head, he just turns a ball, is it? I just made an instinctive run into an area, and the ball's there, it's in the back of it there, and you start thinking, is it luck, or is it that never say that attitude that we had? What's one thing we had? We were never ever defeated. If we conceded one, we'd try and get one back and get another one. If we lost 4-3, there was no doom and gloon, or we lost what was no doom, we'd go again the next day. We had an amazing belief in the group of lies that we were never defeated, and that just comes from... It came from no way, you go back to 18 months before the Ipswit game, even 15 months. We were struggling, we were 16, 17 in the league, we were really struggling for that belief, just that momentum just took us, and that's what you don't see so much in teams now. I don't think teams have the same mental strength that we had. We were getting abused from the table, we were getting stick at times, but once you start getting into that run of games and that belief in yourself and the group of lies around you, it becomes so much easier to keep progressing, and that's what we had, that belief in that squad, I think, was just stepping in on. That example of what we did, perhaps shouldn't have been there, but it was. I probably shouldn't have been where I was, but it was, we stood on the cup, the rest is history. I mean, massively, again, we played well that day, and you come up with a late goal, we then win it with Sharpie, and then by Munich away, there's 67,000 olympic stadium, and they were an unbelievable side as well. Go out there and draw 0-0, which is a brilliant result, really, and a couple of players I spoke to said, we were a bit disappointed after that, cos we felt we had a chance to win it over there, but, I mean, as a fan, 0-0, let's get them back to Godderson and see what we can do, and that's how we played out, wasn't it? Yeah, we will. Howard made a couple of changes. I think Sharpie made a front on his own, he played five in midfield, and his Andy was injured, and I was up against big Uly Haenus, big six-foot-floor, Harry, German Beeston, you know, me and Rats had a good game together, we worked really well together, we worked hard. Howard was able to change the team, and everyone knew the roles, what to do, and, yeah, maybe we could have won over there, but we came way very, very pleased with the 0-0, very pleased with the 0-0. Obviously, you always want the away goal, but we were a bit disappointed, we were a bit disappointed, we had played well, but the important thing was we hadn't conceded, we were at a bottom down, and we came back the following week to a monumental occasion in the club's history. The lad will always say that the return leg against Bayern, it's the one game they'll take to the grave with them, purely because I've never been involved in an atmosphere like that in any stadium I've played a game of football, and that includes going to rugby, includes going to roti down from the final. The build-up to the game, getting to the ground was just, there was thousands of people outside Goodersham Bottom, it felt like there was 150,000 people around the ground when we got to the game, because we had to leave early from the hotel, and we came down the back of the street and entered the coach, and we were literally like, Dave Jimmy Martin must have been like Moses, part of the way, as he's driving down, and people get squashed against the walls, it was 10 deep by the side, and they're all singing and chanting, just like it was at Wembley for the epic up-final, less than a year before that, the excitement, the belief that the fans, and they came out for the game, and the roar was just immense, it was brilliant, and again, we didn't play badly in the first half, but we come in, they scored the goal, and someone scored a volume button, and gone, meek, and just turned the volume down, it was, whoa, what's happened here? What's happened here? It was complete nut of silence, and we came in at halftime, and I said, look boys, you're the better team, you're playing some great football, just keep doing what you're doing, get the ball in the box, and the street ender's sucking in for you, looking for scary throws along bowling, I think Andy just rearranged Argon Taller's nose a little bit, and then Sharpie scores, and we're back into the game, and then another free kick, and it's Sharpie's turn this time, so it rearranged Argon Taller's nose, so he went that way with Andy for any, came back that way with Sharpie, and Andy puts his two one up, and the roar when that first goal went in was just, but I say it out, there's something up in the ground here in the lounge, which is the 85 man goes and barbwn. When I came out the second half, the roar made the back of my next stand up, it was incredible, so that made me for that, it must have made the Bayern Munich players feel a bit intimidated, because the roar was immense, they only had about 200 fans there, I think they did, it wasn't them there, but the Everton fans just rolled us on to pitch for the second half, and we knew that they were with us, and the goal gets them going again, and the second goal were on a high, I remember the third goal going in, and the shadowy in the way, and then the Rotterdam song came out, and then the carnage started, I need tickets, oh no, we're going to go again, you need tickets, to think that 15, 16 months earlier, we were 16 to the table, we'd been billed off a Buddhist rapport, if you'd have said in 16 months, really gone from where we were, to what we'd just achieved, the first ever Everton side, to which you are at the final, it is literally pinching me stuff, mind blowing that this can happen to the club, but it does, if you get a group of players that believe in each other, and work in each other, and believe in the manager, these things happen, but it doesn't come overnight, it comes with hard work and dedication, and a little bit of punishment, and a little bit of dips before the peaks, and we proved that we had one or two dips, but when we got to the peaks, the peaks were just phenomenal. In between, I mean it was the best game I've ever been to, the loudest noise I've ever heard in my life, it was unbelievable, but in between that, that's how much the looting game in the FA Cup semi-final, and you know, we go to buy in, on Wednesday nights, raw nil nil, incredible result, and then we've got another big game at the weekend, which is looting in the FA Cup, and Ricky Ailes' score didn't, I think, really needs to be a bit stronger, to be fair, like for Ricky Ailes' scores, and... We always say, there's a little touch on Gary as you've had to clear the ball, he gets lunched, he can't beat a club on, but it was a great finish, but the buy nil nil game was, we went, and it was the only time in European football we stayed over after the game, we always flew straight back, as Neville says, I've had to stick around half, and the ward's over, and he came back drunk after the night, and that's how to mil nil nil nil, it was a good night out, so maybe we had a few too many of the beer killers in Munich on the Wednesday night, but we turned up off there on the Saturday, we didn't get going, Luton were up for it, fans were up for it, although we said we weren't up for it, we weren't allowed to, because I think maybe they played very well early on, they put us on the back foot, they attacked us, they put us under pressure, and now it's half time, come on, we're better than this, we can do it, keep going, and then, and we keep pushing, and we keep pushing, and we're not quite getting there, the fans are still with us, Luton fans are waving the straw boat, I think we're all going to Wendley, and about 10 minutes ago, I looked over, and Howard goes, up you go, son, and if you look at it, I'm up front for the last 10 minutes of the game, of the normal time, because Howard sends me up front, and we went in free kick down, yeah? Well, there was a little nudge of me back, I made a bit more of it. I'm not as a foul, no, it was free kick. And Rastus, hammered it forward, I go for the ball, I've got my card, but I think it's Steve Foster coming through, and yeah, I do get nudge in the back, and I go over, he gives the free kick, you know, I'm up there, and you know, there's divide in the old hold 10, it's this side is orange, and this side is blue, and this side, all the way round us was blue, but I'm at the session of orange, they're all, we're all going to Wendley, and I think she's, whether you admit or not, I don't think he struck it particularly well, and after the seventh round, he went in the corner, and it was absolutely, we always say that Lesley went down like that, all the France, he went down in stage one, stage two, stage three, or Lesley couldn't get down there, and it's in the corner, and there's what, minutes left of the game. Yeah, three minutes. And you look at the ground, it literally erupted with virtually three quarters, if not more of the ground, erupted in Royal Blue. You know, players on peat hands on the pitch, yeah, we river, but we're still not finished, we're still not, because by this stage, I've got my nose broken, I've got a big black eye, I've been, my knees, thogging like maths, I've been walling the knee a couple of times, they're coming at our, in those days, you're only allowed to talk to your manager straight after the final whistle, there was no halftime, at the time, so. That's right, yeah, yeah. Howard gets us in, come on boys, we're doing this, come on, and those days, remember, there was one sub in those days, and then we're right, we've got a second half, first half extra time, it's nipping, so, and then a halftime of extra time, they took off Nick Arthur, I think they were going to say, we'll take him to a second game, he'll take him to a reaper, and I looked over, and it number nine, oh, thank you Lord, they're taking Nick Arthur down, is he, after me, he absolutely muddured me, all over the park, elbows, feet, digs, everything, I was black and blue all over, but in that second half, I think they put another defender in midfield, to try and tighten up a little bit, we were getting stronger, and stronger, and stronger as a game went on, that's the way to say, extra time never fazed us, because we could raise it and go again, some teams can't do extra time, because they're burnt out after 90 minutes, we kept going, and going, and going, and again, we get that opportunity, and she gets the free kick, and again, Howard Gally Steve says, go on son, over, go and get one of your gold, by your lad, OK guys, I mean I was over there, and I'm holding up the field like this, and she's cut the perfect ball, and she's always said that, and I was just saying, it's not about the gold scorer, it's about the ball in, and Kenny Sheedy and Trevor Stevens, very rarely hit the first man, he always had a ball in an area, and that area was rocked by me, Andy Sharpie, or into your terry, whoever's playing at the time, we didn't look for the ball, the ball found us, because we made the runs, and the ball was put in the right area, and the ball was just in an absolute perfect spot, and I've got up there above me, a little nudge in Steve Foster, a little McVickie, and I've got it down, and then I just remember seeing Pandemore, I won't do it, I don't like them out, but I just put me on and set off, but what will you do, you just cut the winning goal with a semi-final, what do you do, you don't stand there going, hmm, what shall I do now? My celebrations were never planned, none of our celebrations were planned, none of these plans you see now, where they do the ducks, it was just, and I just set off, I remember Andy Gray catching me, literature at both feet came off the ground, as he grabbed me neck, and I went up and came back down on my feet, then I got mobbed by Andy, and mobbed by players, mobbed by fans, it was just absolute carnage, and I looked back and go, yeah, I got the winning goal, but I wish I had one of those fans on the pitch celebrating with him, because as a fan, I've said this many people, as an Everton fan, I haven't seen Everton literature, everton literature in my life, I was only six in 69, 70 when I won the league, 95, I had the re-op racing, I was doing an FA coaching band, so I didn't go to Wemby in 95, so in my Everton career, of 40 or 30 years, wherever it is, 50 years, I've probably 55 years, I've been very popular as well, 55, I've never seen Everton literature, so all my mates have been to Wemby, and got me down, and being on the pitch at the park, being a player was different to being a fan, I want to be a fan, I want to go and jump to the Faddle Square, Fountainwood, Gwyrdwyrdwyrdwyrdwyrddi, go, I want to go and do the damn things my mates have done, and I try and twist it and say, but you've won it, I said that's not the point, I've won it, but I want to be a fan and see my team, wouldn't it? You know, I went to Wemby for the Chelsea final, full of that, and we scored after 25 seconds, I want you to gain, I was over the game, finished the game, I could have won it, stop it now, Louis scored the winner, I stopped it, we go and lose the game, and I've got that feeling of disappointment that I've not seen my team in a trophy, my dying wish is to be in the stands, well, it's got to be so, I wish it was terraces, with me mates, celebrating an evident victory, whether it be a league, type law, an FRA, court baller, Caledonia in this corner, I want to be in the stands when we win a trophy again, and that will be my life fulfilled, I've done it as a player, let's do it as a fan now. Please, please go, please go, please, that's the point now. Well, what an unbelievable thing to have, though, I know what you've said, your piece, and it's brilliant, and I've heard you say that to me before, and it's like, that's mad, but I understand that, Gerriff, but what a thing to have to score the winner in an FA Cup semi-final, when the FA Cup was still magical when it was at Villar Park, when it wasn't at Wembley, and I mean, I guess the only blemish is the fact we didn't then go on and win it, which, I don't know clearly, I watched a bit of it last night, but we'll come on to the final very quickly in a minute, the European Cup, when we obviously go on, we're brilliant, that's out the way now, we're in two-cup finals, day to the side, we've got to just see this league title home now, and it's what we did, we won games, we went and wore that kit at Sheffield Wednesday, which was a huge victory, Andy Gray, with a bobble, Passmart, Nodge, and then never made it. For me, for me, never made his best ever, say, the one from Veroglia, I always say that's four, for me, that's four better than the one against Marlain, so it's not me. I think he was, he just got in front of me and just flipped it, and never made it great, but I fantastic say that, wasn't I? Unbelievable save, and then we have QPR on the Monday, and the man for the important goal pops up again, with a brilliant volley at the park, at the park end again. Park end again. I'm just pleased I wasn't got Dupers goals, pan I wouldn't have got that one, would I? Off the crossbow, back a pizza, hook his head, and back in the net, I wouldn't have got that one, it was being the good Dupers goals, pan I've been in Elm Mold, now it's your goal, Dex. Who heads the ball back for me to volley? Pan I don't know. Have a look at it, it's Pat makes the volley, and I get it just before Sharpie, volley it, and I set off, again, arms in the air, and I've got a picture of her, but it's me, I've turned, and I'm facing the street end, I've got my arms up, Andy Graves runs towards me, Peter reads about eight foot up in the air, didn't really jump that high, but the street ends do full view, and it's just magnificent, one of my favourite pictures, brilliant photo I've got, I've not got many for me time, but I've got them on charge, about four goals, it goes from the volley, hit the keeper, me running away, turning round, but that one picture of me, celebrating as Andy Graves comes to me, and reading there, for me that's a, I love the photo because it just shows the street end in full view, and there, so one up, and then Sharpie gets the late one, and then, yeah we're champions, with five games left, the biggest for me, the biggest disappointment is, we had six games to win the league, we did three points to win it, or two points to win it, but bank holding Monday, is 50,000 plus in Gwladyswm Park, and the football league, don't even consider bringing the trophy up to the presentation, it should have been gone straight after the game, the presentation would have been going to Gwladyswm Park when it was full house, because we knew we'd won it by a distance, we weren't going to lose the league, so why didn't they bring the trophy up on the Monday, so we could celebrate on Monday afternoon with 52,000 people in the ground, because on Wednesday night, when we got the trophy, there was only 32,000 in the ground, there was a £20,000 disparity, but I just did the football league, should have brought the trophy up, so we could have got it straight after the game, and that would have really, really topped that day off for me. I mean they brought it off for the West Ham game, wasn't it, that was the game, we paraded, and then wasn't it, we beat West Ham 3-0, I remember hearing that kind of score, and then that one, that was when they gave us the league, he did, I got two, that's right, come on, have a look, he scored against West, hang on, he scored against West, he scored against West Brom after the epic up semi-final game, oh yeah, we beat him, we passed through him on, yeah, yeah, strong, and I'm just trying to keep you going, it's good, now we know what's good, that you're correct on me as you remember him, hoch ym one, in at the end of the day. It gives up, as we say that, the problem is you, the FA, the FA probably, now, the presentation says, trophy celebration, the so staged, being a big stage out, of firework, bother, public, an ideal chance to let the Everton fans celebrate straight after, within the title, we'd won it with five games to spare, we were 10 or 12 points to you, if it was, can't remember now, and why they never bought the trophy upon that ban called in Monday, I really don't know, that's the one disappointment from that season we should have celebrated on the day with the trophy, and as Andy Gray says, that's not a trophy, I want the proper one, he was so good, he saw that little dole, he was a boy, and he saw it as a pointyman, the shill, the good shill, a pub ball league trophy, he's a stunning trophy, we got that two years later, but I just, with the pub ball league, I've done the right thing, and brought it up that day, because, in if you don't, yeah, I did win it that day, we could have won it Wednesday anyway, it would have been nice to have got it with 50,000 people plus in the ground, and celebrated properly, instead of doing it, two days later, before the game, and then having to play it again. But, he couldn't take it away from us mate, we won it, and we won it by 13 points in the end, which was incredible, and we're moving on to the, obviously the two-cup finals, but Rotterdam, it was just, he said it before, the Bayern Munich game was really, was the game that, you know, they were the best team, they were who we faced, they were a brilliant side, and we beat them, and no disrespect to rapper Vienna, but they just went on our level, and when, I think you mentioned it before, when you look back, and see some of the football that we played, was just unbelievable, and the section of football in this game, there was, about 100 passes in one that led to the corner, it was just incredible football, and we went out and blitzed them that night, didn't we? We did, some of the lads have been to watch this every final game, at, they've made it all traffic, no, they're getting back to replay, because some bot are throwing in some against Celtic, and Howard have been to watch them, and the old came back saying, they're nowhere near good enough, they're not nowhere near on our level, that half the team that buy me a unique wear, and so, we went into the game full confidence and belief that we could actually go and win the game. Again, the build-up again is totally different, Howard, again, didn't change his routine, out of the day before the game, night at hotel, leisurely day, the following day, he's wanting to train, he could be, he's going to go for a walk, he could, he could go to the ground, if he wanted to, that he put the kit out early. But everything I remember is, it's the first time in Europe being tricked that we would advise he can't have too much coffee or tea or Coca-Cola on your meal because of the caffeine in it. That's the first time I realise that it might be a bit stricter with the dope testing, because caffeine is that's the stimulant nowadays. But the game, the game was nil nil halftime, and we came in at halftime, we controlled the game, and I got a bollock in off our kennel at halftime, and the debate sort of end, wow, are you offside for that free kick? I wasn't, Captain. Yep. Yep. And it's one of the few times after the game when he saw the goal, I actually got the apology off him, he says you're right, you're wearing offside. I was two yards onside when she plays the ball, headed back across Andy Gray's scores, we're going at one halftime, but disallowed by the typical line who just sees the player when he had the ball, not the run they've made. And we go in at nil nil halftime, but the second half again, total control of the game, great bit of work by Sharpie to win the bollback, great finish by Andy. Shedless to even get the nick at the far post, and make it two nil. They scored it possible offside, go very close, I think nowadays with video, I've been well ruled out, and then what do we go and do? Go on, she don't finish it off for us, and we win three-one. And again, you look at the presentation set of many, it's the one thing that, when we won the league at Goddison Park, against QQR, and then we won the cup when it's cup, there was too many people around us as we're going round the pitch. There's too many media, too many people in the way. I would just twist it, just sort of off the net or celebrate the fans. There was too many people around us, and after one of the frustrating things, and the way we got the trophy, you know, nowadays that wouldn't be allowed, it's health and safety risk the way we got the trophy. That's very wicked, he sets a stairs over a moat. It's totally different now, but the occasion was brilliant. I look back with great memories, isn't it? You look at the ground, it was a ramshackled, fallen apart ground, but one end was just in top of raptures for the whole of the game. Yeah. You know, they had their fireworks and the flares and everything else, but we had the songs, we had the noise. The atmosphere in that game was not on a par with Byn Unic. We were good at St Park, it was a nice tight ground with a roof focus, a bit more open, a bit bigger, but that atmosphere was absolutely superb. And you don't notice that you talk to people who actually went what they went through to get there, what they did to get there, what they did before the game, play football, police to the streets, and so talking to rapid Vienna fans, mix it, it doesn't happen nowadays that everyone's looking for a fight nowadays, even the police looking for fights nowadays, snept in violence, but that was a very friendly occasion. And the funny thing was after the game, when we got the medal in our hand and we've done the present, the trophy walk around, and we get the changing rooms, Gaudi Stephens and she's got pulled away, I think it was the two of them, pulled away for the drug testing, had to go and do the ordering samples. We didn't wait for them. We let them, we let them, we wiggled, and we were on the bus of it, and they came back to the changing room after, where's all the boys, there's two little pegs with set of clothes and we just left them to it. We had a few beers that night. We didn't go excessive, we didn't have a big game on Saturday and the FA Cup trial, but to get back into Liverpool at like three o'clock in the morning after coming back from Rotterdam, it was, and then getting to bed. It was a long day, it was a long couple of days and unfortunately, we couldn't quite get there enough of it, so it would have been a fantastic achievement to do what we've done. Two in all three would have been remarkable. We were probably one game too many that season for the boys, but I do look back and I do think that it doesn't happen now. You finish your Cup final, you get sometimes a two week break before they make it to European final. You shouldn't play European final if they've got finals at any country within three days of each other. Players need the chance to recover and get over things, but I just think playing Wednesday and then playing another major final of Saturday was just one game too many for us. Yeah, we were tired and you know Wembley, it's a hot atmosphere. If Murang hadn't been sent off, we'd be won the game because Staples went back to sent it off and was outstanding for the rest of the game. If Pat had shown right side down on his right foot or just left foot, if he hadn't touched his post, would he have got it? If I had put my chance away late on in the game, if these extra buts all the time, we all look back with immense prime satisfaction from that season, but tinge with a bit of regret that we couldn't actually finish off finish off and do the treble, which would have been an absolutely amazing achievement for our club. Oh, they've been unbelievable. We'd have done a double before them and every day they would have been unbelievable. I mean, we were so close in the next couple of days and next day maybe would have made the difference. But you write, I mean, really it's the post in the first half of the volley and we have the obviously the Kevin Moran thing. Brian Robson, it's the bar. I always thought it was you. It was Robson. You flick it off at the bar and come out at 0-0 and you know, all the mean own goal. And then when Reid's running through Moran, Catties, and maybe Lisa's that a second daily, we've got three on one because he nicks the ball brilliantly with three on one with sharp, great running through on Gary Bailey, but obviously Moran takes on. There is ifs and buts. It's a brilliant goal, but we have our chances. Andy Graham. We have our chance to get it. You know, and you all want at the end, a man normally, a man for the big occasion. Doesn't go better with it. But you just don't go better with it. You were twisting, weren't you? It was just the way it was, but you're right to win two trophies, get to a final again. And just to, you know, we won the league 90 points, it was a record, 13 points clear. You know, we gave the last couple of games away. You know, we played Luton with nine kids playing and things like that. We, you know, it was just an unbelievable season. And then obviously, the hammer blow was obviously the European banning. I mean, what was that like as a player? Was that, did you realise how much impact it would have at the time? Or was it just all, that's the way it is, we get on with it? I don't do, we give you as how much impact it would have. It's certainly affected more than any other team, but any other club from the ban. Yeah. Cos, no, the teams like Women's and Coventry, Luton, all won major competitions and couldn't go and play in Europe. But at the time, we were probably one of the two best teams in Europe being football. My biggest disappointment is I've never, never got the chance to play in the European Cup. Or what are they called? The Champions League now. From 85 to 1990, I won it twice, I was going to run it up twice, won for there, won for Villa, and I never once played a European Cup. And now you finish fourth when you play in the Champions League. It's, for me it's, it's a money game now, it's about making money, but as a player in the 80s, to have that taken away from you, to play in European football, to play in the pinnacle of European football in the European Cup as it was there, when it was home and away, knockout league, knockout, not a league. No, I think we would have, I think we would have been super that's it. I think we could, well have gone on to, you can't say you've won it, people say you've won it. We don't know the men who you're getting to draw, whether it's home or away, first leg, but we were full of confidence and it's disappointing that we lost our chance, but I look at other teams who grab the opportunity as well. You know, I don't, I do, I always said that people should not go to a football much and lose their lives. It could have been my mate in Rotterdam that had the same thing, because the stadiums at the time were substandards to what they needed. They were substandard for hosting this type of fine as they were hosting, but you should never go to a football much and lose your life full stop. But the band certainly fethod the football club, not just the team, but the club. The club started to break, the players started to break up, because other players opportunities would go away to different teams to play European football. I got in, Trevor, going to to Rangers, and then Howard decides I want to go to European football at Bill Bow, so Colin comes in. Colin wants to be Colin Harvey, Evan is managing, Colin Harvey managing Howard Kendall's team. So Howard, Colin Hott started to make a few changes into the side, so for two years after the band, it was good. You know, we should have done more in 86. We were so close again, and we were on the league in 87, and then Howard goes and you could see the break up happening, but I think as a club we didn't do enough to keep our players at the club. Those over the road kept buying the best players they could to improve the squad. I'm not being disrespectful to the name of Donald and Mick Milligan, but when you get a bit of Gary Steven and Peter Reed for me, they're not life, like the patients. No. Disappointing. And we didn't do the right thing. We needed to invest in better players that we signed. We need to stand to say we are keeping pushing for the league titles when they kept back in joke, we're going for a European show. Maybe you could have said because you went up with Cuckras Cup in 85, you're also backing back in Europe when you cook when the van comes in. You don't know. But I just think we needed to keep investing in the play in staff. And I think the players that came in didn't replace or weren't as good as the players who were leaving. And the other side of the park and the other side of the park did that. They brought me on. They brought back rocks, brought in barns, brought it out and brought in beers. And we didn't. I'm not going to go at the players you brought in, but it was substanders what the players would go with me. That's levels, isn't it? I mean, one play if we did doing that summer of 85, we brought Gary Linnicker in and obviously he was very good for us for 12 months and he's 40 goals incredible, incredible amount and won the charity shield as well and you scored at Leicester and then missed three games and then come back. And then one thing I totally forgotten as time goes on but you played against Luton at home and then you missed 38 matches with Injury. Oh, what? What happened? What was the injury? I played it. When was the QPR game prior to Luton? Was that the week before? The week before, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I played at QPR and it was on the assets there from the cottage and come out with out of many and come losing the tax. So I had it sort of pushed back in carried on the game went through a week of treatment went and see the search on the Friday and he said yeah, that we need to go in there and look at that. I think the car just needs coming out. And so went to the physio with physio with Clins and the doctors of the surgeon came back to Bellfield and I was struggling. I really was struggling. Many was to give me a lot of pain at the time. And basically the conversation can he play tomorrow? But he's having an operation on Monday. Well, can he play tomorrow? That was basically the gist of the conversation. So I should not play on the Saturday because I was going in Monday morning for an operation to Tigerby Carlswyl. So I remember playing on the Saturday and being in complete your agony for 24 hours afterwards. I really was in pain and I went on Monday for the operation expecting to have a simple after scope. The end up give me a three and cut through me need to get the cottage out to it's so badly damaged. So maybe I haven't played the recovery might have been a bit quicker, but the recovery was on track. And every time I stepped up with the recovery in the gym, I was no problem. I could do squats and leg raises. The minute I started twisting and turning the knee kept flaring up all the time and he kept filling with fluid. So I was back to the hospital having the needle in getting all the fluid drained off. Go again in the gym started twisting and turning fluid coming back on the knee. And it was an on-do and I ended up going away for three weeks down to London somewhere to a rehab centre to try and help it. I ended up living on Ibuprofen stroke, Cnodrofen, whether it was at the time for just to stop the swelling all the time. I took me a long time to get back and it was about three or four months sort of a back into the side. But I had no problems once I got back into the side it was all right. But that initial four months and I haven't, if I set off the QPR right getting straight in get the cottage with doubt or I think playing that game against Luton was the one that really affected it. I think that could have been more damaged long term than I realised. But it came back and I felt great when it came back. I got back in to be well. But I remember actually remember coming back if I think I'm right you got your fitness there. It was Chelsea at home on a Sunday. One of my best mates was a Chelsea fan. So he came up on the night before I had some friends around. I had no idea how I would have given him no inclination at all that I was going to be involved in the game. So we sat there having a party till three o'clock in the morning. So I was absolutely walloped on Sunday mornings. I'd go into training for half past nine because what I think is a bit of treatment and a bit of training. And I would go, is that how you feeling? I went, so I put my hand this way and sort of blew all the smell away from me. He said, I'm all right, Gaffer. So were you playing? I went, what? He said, were you playing? So literally I was absolutely stonkin drunk on the Saturday night Sunday morning and I played against Chelsea on the three o'clock on the Sunday afternoon. I had no idea I was playing but I think adrenaline got me through it as well as the fumes. I think Cair Dyson was scared and I was breathing so many fumes on it. But that's the one time I played when I was absolutely drunk because I had no idea that I was playing that day. And I remember, I think I actually got my match off the paper or something that day because I had a pretty good game but as I said, it's the adrenaline. But I've missed so much it it was nice to get back into the side. It being a frustrating three or four months with Britain gone on because from being so successful being in the side and playing well to suddenly not be there. And sometimes when you're in you do feel a bit left out. You do feel like the unwanted man of the club. Yeah. Because you're not traveling with the lads on a sat on a Friday. You turn up at two o'clock on a sat day for the game and you go on the chains and you've got to get out because they're going through their routines. And you don't feel part of the swath at sometimes. Yeah, yeah. It's a time in life that I think was a turning point in in probably me having created, to be honest. Because I got back in the side with we lost the two finals of the final and the league. I've got another bit of a bower cannot bow a candle for the Oxford United game on links to the Scottish Boots in Cullin School. And I get out, jumped by Billiannan for the one goal at the scores. And I get I get blame, but links missed a half full of goals. Goals were a phenomenal, but you haven't got the right boots on, they were patched up with more bits of leather and take the care to mention about. And then we lose the cup final again and that was that was devastating. I had a couple of down weeks after that because we I think we should have won both. And I think we're still the best team in the league that's in. But the best team's done always win things. He has to be proved over the years. We just didn't have enough on the day to win it. And then, you know, you look back and go, again, two years on the ground if you could have been double winners twice, he could have just had. It's three games over two years. It's three games every time. It's not as if you've blown it. You know, you look at the team, look at Leicester and Lee by 10 points about four or five years. Tottenham going by Neston and all of a sudden they lost an immense amount of ball over here. You know, little poor that year won 11 of the last 12 games. Um, you know, so did we lose up to the day winning? You know, what's not really in. I mean, first of all, at 38 games, I couldn't believe you missed that many in all competitions that is, obviously. Yes. We had the great, we got to the cuff fine again. Great win in Philip Park, chef Wedd. But the two games, everyone talks about Oxford and I brought this up. I brought this up with Aids and I brought it up with Bryce when I don't know. We had two away games. Forest on the Saturday and Oxford on the Wednesday. But Tuesday. And we drew nil nil y forest and if we'd have won that, which I remember rightly, we should have won on the Saturday. No one would have spoke about Oxford and it was two away games. We didn't score a neither, which was totally unlike us because we scored goals for fun. That's easy to not score in either of those games. Ultimately cost us the championship. You know, we proved that on the Saturday. We beat you scoring. Lynyddur get to Attrich. We beat Southampton 6-1, but you know, obviously Liverpool won that. Chelsea didn't they? And then... It's fine margins. It is. Very, very fine margins in the game. And you know, Ling Solby says he didn't have his favourite boots. By all I count, they're in the bottom of the box but he couldn't find them. And he can't wear any of the boots apart from his favourite ones. And you know, are we looking for excuses? I don't know, but we were so close again. And it's disappointing when you look back and you think, you know, two years on the bounce, three games, two in a round, Lee won in a league. And we couldn't be sitting here talking about ever being double global champions. You know, it's so fine, but you know, we gave it our best shot. That's all I'm saying. We never quit. We gave it our best shot. We played until we literally died on our feet at times. We kept on going. And that's one thing we should be proud of. We never stopped. I've got an unbelievable time in our history, and like I said before, privileged to witness it. I've finished runners-up in both obviously. You made, I mean, that, you know, you got into the team, 83, 84, 47 appearances, three goals, 84, 85, 58 games, 14 goals. And then that season, 85, 86, 19 appearances, four goals, the drop-off. I mean, do you think because of that injury, that was one of the reasons why Howard went and bought Dave Watson? Yes or no? No. It came out in Simon Hart's book. Here we go. Yeah. And I'm an epileptic. I've had two-round health in my career, in my life. And one of them was in the summer of 86. Whether that played a part in the decision of Howard to bring Dave Watson, I also got Plata Rarudu Gola three seasons, right? Three seasons match in the Rotterdam stadium again. But when Howard was signed Dave, I was fit. Howard always had a walker. I was fit. I think Howard had a long term worry about, wasn't he strong enough? Wasn't he fit enough? Will he have any more of these epileptic fits? I don't know. I've not had a fit since. I went from 86 when he signed Dave to just under 99, 2000, paid another 300 games. So my knee certainly held up. I've not fitted ever since. I look after it. I try not to put this situation where I might have another fit. So I'm lovely. I'm fit three cents. But I think that did play a bit of a Howard did think that maybe it's, you know, I've got nothing against Dave Watson. I've got a lot of time, but I'm what a footballer, what a person, what a server to our football club. Brilliant. I think both of those things swayed Howard's decision to green David. And by doing, I was fit when Dave was signed. I wasn't, I wasn't in. I was fit when they, I was hoping to name on the bench to the charity shield. But Howard didn't name. I think he was on the bench. I think that game. But I was fit and I was disappointed not to be on the bench. And then I got back. I got back on the side because Kevin and Dave didn't have a great start to their partnership. I went and played three at the back down Southampton. And then Dave or injured and Kevin, I played the next and it was eight or nine games together. I think it was one defeat in that and we got back to our and then we were playing new cast in the full members cup on the Tuesday and Howard pulled me and said, look, yeah, I'm not going to play on Tuesday days. Needs a couple of matches. So I'm going to play him on Tuesday, the full members cup. You're back in the team on Saturday. Okay. On Friday afternoon, before the Norwich game, he was Norwich at home. He pulled me so I'm not going to play it. And we had a bit of a stink argument. I'm a storm off and I never went to the training Saturday morning and I went to get him on the Saturday. Dave got booed by the fans, which I don't agree with. It's not his fault the manager made that he says you just paid a million pounds for this gift. And really that was for me that was the end of me I haven't career. I think end of that season. I ended up being taken around the country as the 13th man of 12 people, the 14th man of foot. 13 people. We always had one or two after. So I'd travel away at night in a hotel, then sit in the stands, then go and get changed, run up and down, the big stupid fitness wear before I came back. I was one game short of the medal. I had 13 games that season. 86, 87. And last game of the season, Howard put me on the bench against Tottenham. They were going to Henry on the Saturday against Coventry. So they went, they went fully interested in getting kicked or injured. They were looking to look at themselves. With about 20 minutes, half an hour ago, we said, so I'm going to get what you're going on. So I remember sitting on the bench, warming up, getting back, gym pads on. Right, you go on, you go on up front and take your inchy off. Okay, so. But you didn't take your teeth off, because you didn't sound to bring your mouth to your ground. I thought, there's a fan behind the dugout, screaming on, and I ran up front to you. You're going the wrong way around, you'll get to the other end. So I went up front and I had a blind ethnic score to win and go it. The crossbar, but I cut the stage off the keeper. And that one game, Howard made sure I got so I got him out. So thanks for that, Gaffer. But and then Howard went and then Colin came in and Colin tried to set his own stall on it. But then in the October November time of 87, I took a, I was captain of a team over at less elite. And one of our young midfiel players tripped. He'd lost his man and a lot of knocked it too far. And I stepped across and took the ball and passed it to the left back. As all that, tripped the fellow from behind who fell on the knee. It's not me, me, me, me, me, me. The ligaments. So then I've got another five months out because I've got a ligament repair. So we're clear when they call it. Norby was, as a manager, was struggling because I literally got injured, got back in the sack and then became the 13th man again. I was getting caught around the country. I was there to football on a Wednesday night. I could have been away at QPR on the Tuesday or other way around. So I was getting caught it around. I was losing the appetite for the game. I was losing interest in the game. I was getting down, depressed a little bit. End of the season. Collin wants me to go away on the end of the season. So to Magaluf is a gaffer that don't feel part of this sport of the month. I don't want to go. So I didn't go. While I was away, there's been a bit of interest, I believe, from a couple of clubs and when I came back, Biller put an offer in. Spoke to Collin, went down to Biller, spoke to Graham Taylor and straight away got a feeling there's the right thing to do. The hardest thing to do was to leave out of a football club. It was, it's my club. It's about the team that's won all my life. My club's not the way it is. It's our club, but it's the team that's won all my life. Yeah, yeah. I just wanted to start playing football again and leading was so, so difficult, but I could see football the following season at Biller where I didn't see football at Evan. One year left on my contract. If I'd stayed, could I have outed Kevin or Dave Watson? I'll never know, but I didn't see myself at the current situation playing many more games at the Evan and the First team in my last season at the club. I left purge of play football. I had three and a half great years at Biller. Nearly won the title again in the second season there. But that decision to leave Evan was really, really difficult. But as I said, it was purely done for football. I could have stayed. I could have stayed and sat in the stands, but I didn't want to sit in the sack. I wanted to play First team football. And that was a really, really tough decision so I would eat the club. I looked back and think maybe I should have stayed given another year under Collin. But I do believe I wouldn't play many games given the state. Yeah. I mean, that's it. It's such a, such a sad way to it because you like, you know, the trophies you'd won. I mean, that season, 86, 87. You played 20 games altogether, four goals and still scored big games. And then you write it, you know, Collin coming and nine appearances in your final season and most of them from substitute, you know, substitute appearances. What was the last game you played for us? Can you remember? Oh, gosh. No, I can't, to be honest. I can't. You can't determine, I won't you. Dabi Comty at the baseball grand second of May 1988, 0-0. So another clean sheet. Uncle Deep in mud probably as well. Probably. Dabi drive mud in May, wedyn ni? Bwyr eh... Yeah, no, no. Dabi didn't have, Dabi didn't have dry mud. Dabi was also good. No, no. They used to water the pitch very heavily at times. Come on and paint the penalty spots, didn't he? Do you know that you finished your evident career with a goal every five and a half matches as a centre-back league, league appearances, which is some strikers a bit proud of that. So... It's not bad, is it? It's not bad at all. It was 19 league goals in a hundred starts or something. So, you know, it's one of them. I didn't set out. Gee, I tell you people, I'm always running out from a goalscoring. I think I wasn't about defending at the same time, but no-one mentions the defending. They would talk about the goals. So I should have said he's a centre forward striker, or centre forward defender. I'm not sure, but everyone remembers the goals, but I might have think we're defending and wasn't about it at the same time. Well, your trophies will tell you how good a defender you are. Won't they battle? You know, you missed the trick, maybe you should have said to Colin, I'll go up front. Because obviously, you had the knack, didn't you? You wouldn't bother me. I'm not anywhere to put the blue shirt. I don't even buy now what the funds are for good things. But of course, you and the body won't let me anymore. No, it happens to us all, to give them, isn't it? Derek, listen. Thank you so much for taking a lot of time out your day-to-day to being a brilliant shot, as always, can't wait to see you can come back in. When this is all on me, you can get back in the studio and we can have a laugh on all that. But thank you so much. I look forward to it, mate. It's been a difficult time for everybody. So good luck. Stay safe, everybody, and we will be back at goodness and park might not be for a while. All of the studio's, but we will be back soon. Hopefully sooner or later, but it's been a difficult time for everybody. So just stay safe and look forward to seeing what we'll be back on the next couple of weeks. There you go. Big thanks to Derek Montfriel. Make sure you give this video a thumbs up, subscribe if you haven't, and if you want more videos, join us on Patreon. See you later.