 Welcome back. And I just for a vice president that Ticco Buacar has again emerged as the presidential candidate of the People's Democratic Party. Buacar defeated 12 other candidates in a keenly contested presidential primary held at the Moschera Biola Stadium in Abuja on Saturday of the 6,767 accredited ballots of the election. He polled a total of 371 votes, while his closest challenger, Governor of River State, ESMWike, came second with 237 votes. Nigeria's former Senate President Boko Lassaki scored 70 votes to come a distant third, while Governor of Aqaibom State Udomi Mano came fourth with 38 votes. The only female in the race, Olivia Diner, and another contestant, Sam Ohaboua, scored one vote each. Former President of the Senate, I.M. Pius, I.M. scored 14 votes, while Bouchie State Governor Mohamed scored 20 votes. Other contestants, including former Governor Aire Delay Fahishai of Akiti State and magazine publisher Delay Mumodou got no votes, that's zero votes. A total of 12 votes from that primary were recorded as invalid. What are the chances of a T-Corp overcar ahead of the 2023 presidential elections? Look at that later. But let's analyze the primary itself. We would like to say good morning and welcome to our guest on the program this morning, Professor Chris Mustafa Wachobia Jr. He is the convener of the country first movement. Prof, good morning to you. Good morning, it's my pleasure to join you. Were you surprised at what played out at the PDP primary and the velodrome of the Abuja National Stadium on Saturday? No, I wasn't surprised. It was clear that it was going to happen that way, particularly when a few days before that event, former governor of the U.S. State PTOB withdrew and resigned from the party. And then a few hours before, precisely on Friday or so, the other contestant, Rajeev Hayatuddin withdrew from the race. And then we had quite a lot of information about if you like the demarragition process. And so when Governor Kambua, the governor of Sokoto State withdrew from the race, it was very clear that it was going to be a race for the highest bidder. Interesting. Do you think PTOB is now vindicated having withdrawn from the PDP and pitched his tent with another party? Some have said, well, he saw the writing on the wall and knew he was not going to defeat and win that morning contest. I think that if you were to assess PTOB's decision, dispassionately, he knew that what happened on Saturday through Saturday to Sunday morning was going to be, like Seussan described it, a major bidding process. And he knew that there were those who would deep pocket hole outbid him. It was more of the highest bidder than about philosophy, about propaganda, about proposal, about policy, and about vision. It's a tragedy of sorts. And that is why some of us are saying to the ruling party that they must feel character by refusing to dollarize the process, by refusing to make it a bidding of sorts, and by giving it to competency, youth, and capacity if you like. Were you impressed by the speeches given by the contestants at that primary? We had from the likes of Syracuse, we had from VK, Tamboa, well, he didn't really necessarily give a speech, but to tell us what he was going to do. Were you impressed? Without doubt, most of the candidates, good talkers, without doubt, they were able to convey what they intend to do. But largely, what should count is the fact that we all know what was at the core of their politicking at the primaries. Remember that before the voting proper started, it was all over the social media and across very credible press that some candidates were doing as much as $20,000, some were doing as much as $15,000, some $10,000, and then it was just about the highest bidder. And I think that the time has come for us to interrogate our political process. If we must bet the Nigeria that we want, if we must cost the resetting, the restixing and reworking of Nigeria, we must depend on policy enunciation, on manifesto delivery, on competency, on capacity, on passion and commitment to the common good. They shouldn't be able to delegate that ring somewhere and voting for the highest bidder. We must repudiate it, we must lantern it, we must ask our parties to do right, fight and write. Operators of the Economic and Financial Crimes Commission were seen on social media videos entering the venue, the velodrome at the Abuja National Stadium, the Mosul Abiyullah Stadium. And some videos even showed them stopping some passers-by, some members of the party who were carrying Ghanamaz go-backs, asking them to open so they could inspect the contents of the Ghanamaz go-back. Has the EFCC, should they be doing anything about the financing of election and the dollarization of primaries in the various parties, and have they gone about it the right way? The question, in line with what you just raised, or the question you just asked, is the fact that we are aware that that morning and through to the voting period, the team from the EFCC stopped the event on this venue because of the allegation regarding the dollarization, the monetization of their channel process. I am not saying what you just said, but only the PDP is guilty of such. But I am saying that the time has come for us to interrogate the process, and since the ruling party hasn't conducted its primaries, it must make competency, capacity, youth and commitment to the common good, the common bottom. It must make commitment, the lynch team, in its decision to produce a country that will face the PDP in the 2023 general election. That's the way to go. We must, we must begin to think about how we'll bet and bet the idea of our collective plans, and the monetization of the political process, the dollarization of the primaries and the process that we have in the West Coast. All right. What do we need to do to get to the point where party primaries are about ideas, about philosophies, ideologies and agendas. We've watched party conventions and primaries of political parties across the world. And it's always a meeting of ideas. To get a sense of the ideology and the direction of the party and the things that matter to them in the speeches that are given, people look forward to these speeches. And political stars are bathed in some of these speeches, or through some of these speeches that are given at these primaries or conventions. What do we need to go? This is one of the biggest parties in Nigeria. And we couldn't get a sense of what the party wanted to do, their direction, their philosophy and ideology. How can we get there? All right. We have lost our guests. We'll try and get back to Professor Chris Mosaf and Wokobia Jr., who's the convener of the country's first movement. Let's get back to the velodrome of the Moschina Biola Stadium in Abuja and listen to what some of the contestants had to say. We start with Waziria Minutambua, governor of Sakata State, who was contesting for that ticket for the second time, having done so for the first time in 2019. He was expected to give his speech, telling the delegates what he intended to do if elected the flag bearer of the party. But instead he said, what, I'm not interested anymore. I'm stepping down for Atikua Puboka. Let's listen to Minutambua. I, Aminu Waziritambua, having consulted widely throughout the length and breadth of this country, from the southeast to the south-south, to the southwest, to the north-central, northeast and indeed, northwest, consulted so many leaders and my supporters, have come to the firm believe and conviction that as leaders, time may come in our sojourn to make sacrifice for the good of the people. In view of the situation of our country, and the need for us in our party to minimize rancor and justling for power, in any case, it is not always about one individual. It must always be about our country. I have come to the conclusion that, to the glory of God Almighty, seen and from the result of whatever I've seen throughout the country, millions of Nigerians suffering and the need for us to close ranks in the party and as one of the leaders of this party, I have come to a patriotic conclusion to step down my aspiration and not only that, but I appeal to my supporters to take these in good stride and in the hands of national unity, patriotism and not only that, those who are delegated here should vote for Alhadi Atiku Abu Bakar Wazir Adama. BDB! Alright, interesting speech and of course, I was here in Militambua, a governor of Sokoto State, stepping down from that contest, it was believed that Mr. Tambua also drew from the race, then tilted the race in favour of the former vice president, Atiku Abu Bakar. Back with us is Chris Musafar and Wukobiya Jr. Professor Wukobiya, can you hear us please? Yeah, I can hear you very well. Do you agree that Tambua's stepping down tilted the primary in favour of Atiku? We hear that he garnered quite a number of delegates' support, especially those from the south-eastern part of the country and also some people feel that if he had participated in that primary, that his participation would have divided the northern vote and that was what helped Atiku when he withdrew. Your analysis is very correct, but let me say that by that decision, Tambua broke the heart of several millions of followers of his, who are young people, who are desirous of seeing a new Nigeria, who are contemporary issues and debate denominator politics, where policy articulation is profound and profuse, where young men who are agile, young men and women who are agile, competent and have the capacity to govern are allowed to emerge on a political stage. To withdraw from a 75-year-old Atiku Abu Bakar was a shot in the feet of his politics and all those who have consistently admired him. And we hear this decision, like you noted, with some kind of not-time solidarity, but I think that we must put country first and slide in to take certain political decisions. By no means, what he did swayed about 185 north-west votes in favour of the waziri of Agamawa, Atiku Abu Bakar. But for me, and so many people who care about our country, Atiku has done his bit in his politics. The time has come for us to try something new and different. The time has come for us to try youth. The time has come for us to try diversity. And I say, advisedly, that in the most Halisian periods of our nation, the best of our history, it was men in their 30s, 40s, and 50s that go up on this country. Both in the First Republic, where we had civil rule, and through the period of military rule. It was under the military that we had a Buddha. Buddha was built by leaders who were less than 60. In First Republic, the oldest of them was just about 60. What we need to fix, reposition, and find our country is about competency, capacity, and youth. Where one people can think on their toes. One people can walk and walk hours on their feet. One people who are in tandem with contemporary global reality. The mother house mat at Tikua-Bubakar is, man there needs a man who can walk night and day, who can sit with the best across the world to debate issues about economics, about job creation, about education, and about national security. So I'm cool with the agreements, that decision of a large taboo one. Alright, we'll look at the performance of ESNBK in what was a kingly contested primary and a battle for the votes of the delegates of the PDP across the country. I think it's been a while since we saw such crisscrossing campaigns around the country. Let's listen to what the real mistake Governor ESNBK said in his speech for about three minutes and we'll be back with our guest for more analysis. PDP are not doing it as if you want to take over power. PDP, your excellence is our dear leaders, very important delegates today. Gentlemen of the press, ladies and gentlemen, come to your states to speak to you. Today, it's for me to thank you, it's for me to thank you for the energy. Since morning you have been here because of this party. Thank you special delegates. Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, I will speak to you on two issues. One is the party. I learned in vow today, everybody who emerges here, I will support the passing to the fullest. Everybody who emerges here today, I will support the passing to the fullest. I'm a committed party person because I love this party because since 1998 I've been in this party. I work for this party. I will not go anywhere. This is my party. Secondly, if I emerge today, every state that has a problem, it is my duty to make sure the party is united. We unite everybody to make sure we win the selection 2023. You know, I didn't come here today to tell you about theory. What is the problem with Nigeria? Leadership. Leadership is a major problem with Nigeria. Therefore, BDP, you must not make mistakes. You must have a courageous leader, a fearless leader, somebody who can withstand the APC. And it is me. It is me. Please, please, my dear delegates, my dear delegates, send me for this assignment. Let me go and win the APC. I will win the APC for the power to come up to BDP on behalf of Nigeria. Thank you. Thank you. Interesting. Your thoughts on that speech, Mustafa Wokobiha. Hello, Prof. Are you there, sir? I can hear you, yes. Okay. Your thoughts on that speech? What? Do you want my take on his speech? Yes, yes. Oh, we can have always been a pro-PDP, a very loyal PDP leader. He has shown that in so many ways. But I think that his silence and quiet, since he lost the primaries to Elijah Tico Abubakar is suspect. Well, I am aware that people are reaching out to him. I'm aware that he, because of that speech, may be compelled to mend frances and walk to Elijah Tico Abubakar. But above all, I think that his pain will be located at the fact that PDP desperately wants to come back to power. And to use a candidate who is 75 years old, he will be 76, I guess, next year for a challenge against the APC may not have been the best decision. I hope and pray that the APC will understand the urgency of now. I hope and pray that the APC will realize, like Mr. President said at some point, that if he were younger, he would have done better as the President of the Federal Republic of Nigeria. And don't forget that he became President about the age of 73, at Tico is older than the age of which President Bahá'í became President. So what we have before us is going to be a contestation largely of the old and the young order if the APC doesn't need full. What is before us is a contestation between old ideas and new ideas about vibrancy, competency and youth and the old order. And I believe that Nigeria largely, and that's perhaps the pin of Govonawike, Nigeria largely who want to try something new. I believe that together as a people who can interrogate the parties and interrogate leadership, I believe that we must make parties understand that whatever they do, must be in tandem with the mood of the nation and the mood of the people. You cannot as a nation consistently tell the young people that they are leaders of tomorrow and when the tomorrow comes, you return power to the old. The time has come for us as a nation to do a moral reawakening and chart a new course for our country. We must reset, we fix and we define this nation. And that's perhaps the pin that Govonawike has wherever he is. Amongst the leading contenders for that ticket, you know, you have the likes of Tikavoka, Sarakee and Wike, of course, Tambua was a strong contender. But amongst those three, initial three I mentioned, Wike was the only one who had remained in the PDP all his political life and he made a point to say that he has been a member of the PDP since 1998. Of course, Sarakee was part of the NPDP that moved to the APC and of course, Artiku, of course, had already been in the PDP. Do you think that the party has failed to reward loyalty? Well, that's the language. That is the, that's the conjecture. That's the conclusion. But for me, the party shouldn't have judged Artiku harshly. The party wouldn't have judged Sarakee harshly. For me, what I think is that the party should have weighed the mood of the nation and what the largest voter demographic would have wanted. You are aware that women and the young people have over 70% of the voter population. And so if the PDP did what it did in that primary without putting the consideration of these fundamentals, then I'm afraid that the party is ready unwittingly to lose the 2023 election. I hope I'm afraid that the APC wouldn't walk that way because if it does, obviously you will have perhaps the third force, a merge. Because I want to say without clear of the publication that Nigerians are not ready to continue to try the same old setting. It must be about a new order, a new thinking, a new dispensation and a new disposition and leadership. That's what Nigerians are asking for. Unfortunately, regarding we can the PDP, like you noted, appears not to have paid back his loyalty properly. But maybe he just might emerge as the first presidential candidate. That's what we hear they're talking about. But for me, what is largely important is for us to define our politics. And show that issues rather than money and show that competency and capacity rather than dollar becomes the basis, becomes the leach pin of our politics. All right, already pro-zoning of voices have risen up to slam the result of this election. And the People's Democratic Party have leaders of thought and the other statesmen from four of the six geopolitical zones in the country are on the edges of the southern and middle belt leaders forum, comprising the Pan-Najah Delta Forum, the Southwestern Block and you also have the middle belt forum as well. They have lampooned the PDP. Obviously this is a kick, not a good kick for those who are saying the power must rotate to the south and particularly the southeast, which the southern middle belt leaders from Manori said in the past day support the rotation of the presidency to the southeast in particular. I am not one of those who subscribe to in one of your programs. I've said that repeatedly, but I do not subscribe to zoning because we should not in trying to solve today's problems create more for tomorrow. And I say this advisedly. If your son were to become the best item after you were by providence made president of this country, they will tell your son, but your dad has ruled and so it has to be zoned to some other and you don't in trying to solve problems, deny people the right to contest. What is important is for you to make yourself certainly bullied enough. It was in this country at some point that we had a Muslim Muslim ticket and people died in the case of that ticket. I'm talking about a Beola King debate ticket. And so I think that the time has come for our countrymen and women to instead of combusting banal issues like zoning, we should talk about restructuring our country and align for two fiscal federalism, align for devolution of power, align states to control their police and create repressive bodies to ensure that there is no abuse. I think that the time has come for us to model our federation like all other federalism in the world. All right, we seem to have an issue with that connection. We'll go back to the footage from the PDP presidential primaries right there at the velodrome of the Moshe-la-Biola Stadium at Buca. Let's listen to Bukhola Sarki, former governor of Kora State and former president of the Nigerian Senate, give his speech. Your Excellency, the chairman of our great party, leaders of this great party, distinguished delegates from the 774 local governments, let me join all of us to welcome you to our national convention. Let me also commend the efforts of the convention committee led by my own boss, David Mark, through him. Let me commend all the members for this well-planned program. Distinguished delegates, we're here today at a defining moment in the history of our country. A defining moment because when we think about the events that have happened in our country today, for decades we would say it had never, never could have happened. But today, we're here. We're here at the moment of decision. A moment that we must choose hope over hopelessness. A moment that we must choose peace and security over fear and terror. A moment that we must choose unity over disunity and exclusion. Distinguished delegates, as we stand here, we ask ourselves what is our role? We are only 774 delegates, but the destiny of 200 million Nigerians is in your hands. It's in your hands the destiny of 200 million Nigerians. And that is why it is so important that we get it right this evening. You ask yourself, how do we get it right? We get it right by the kind of candidate we elect today. We must elect a candidate that has the capacity. We must elect a candidate that knows the issues. We must elect a candidate that can unite this country. We must elect a candidate who from day one knows what he has to do. We must elect a candidate whose experience has shown that he can lead Nigeria forward. That responsible distinguished delegate is what is before you tonight. I believe and I know that I'm a candidate that ticks all those boxes. By my experience, I am somebody who has worked in the private sector who has worked in the executive and who has been head of legislative arm of government. Every office I have positioned myself in, I have left it better. Today, you need someone who knows about government, who knows about legislative arm of government and who knows about business. You need a Nigerian for all Nigerians. You need a Nigerian that will build the North and the South. You need a Nigerian that will build the young and the old. You need a Nigerian that will build Muslims and Christians together. You need a Nigerian that will unite all together. Distinguished delegates, as you step out this evening, as you step out this evening, look for that candidate that will change the direction of this country. Let us be that generation that begins to do things right in this country. And he can start from tonight by the type of candidate we elect. Let us elect Abu Bakar Bukola-Sahariki who will lead this country, who will take this country to a brighter future. Distinguished delegates, I thank you for this honour to be here to speak to you. Let us, as I say, in our talk, let us go and fix Nigeria. Let us start our fix in Nigeria by going out to vote. I thank you. God bless you all. Thank you so much. All right, Bukola-Sahariki there. Prof. Chris Musafawakobi, Jr., can you hear us? Yes, I can. All right, before I come back to you, let's quickly listen to the speech of Tiku Abu Bakar and we'll quickly analyse the chances of the party and also look at the chances of the man, Tiku, who is taking a shot at the presidency for the fifth time. All right, while we're trying to get that sorted out, your thoughts on Tiku Abu Bakar, he's taking a shot at the presidency for the fifth time. This should be a record as far as Nigeria is concerned. Let me say that the speech of Abu Bakar Bukola-Sahariki was the most electrifying of the night. Oh, really? He came to the cameras prepared. He articulated his position, raised the issues and I feel, listening again to him, I feel like the PDP lost an opportunity of preserving an obeying and smart mobiliser as its candidate in not booting him, they lost that opportunity. In not booting him, they lost the emotion and the passion of his age. But what do we say? We're not going to continue to go on. Let me say that what is important is that even in his ascertained speech, a larger Tiku Abu Bakar was able to capture some of the fundamental issues that bother our country. But I will in this discussion challenge the all-progressive Congress to think about the urgency of now, to think about the preponderant passion and favor of the young people and women for a new Nigeria. To think about booting before Nigerians a candidate that is congruent with contemporary realities. To put before Nigerians capacity, competency and youth with emphasis youth. Because the time has come for us to fold our sleeves and fold our pants, our shorts, our trousers in service of our country. We must understand that the time is and now for all those who truly believe in Nigeria to work to bet and bet a new Nigeria. And that chance, the chance that the PDP blew or threw away all other parties must take. Nigerians want youth and diversity. Nigerians want competency and capacity. Nigerians want a new idea. Want a leader who's strong enough to challenge for a place in the new world. You said of course you initially say you've talked about the fact that PDP had a chance to elect someone with youth and vibrancy and ideas who've pointed a finger at you've singled after Abu Bakar Sarki. You've also said of course it lost out on the vibrancy of a years on wiki. Now, the PDP with a tickle at its head if they end up winning the election will still have these people in the administration. Possibly, you've talked about the talk around town that wiki may be offered a running mate position or slot on this particular ticket. With all these people around the tickle, if he chooses to work with them, he's made a deal, he said to have made a deal with Tamboa, we might see some movement in the direction of wiki. Abu Bakar Sarki is the picture of it and all these other people who came out to be part of this primary. With all these people in the fold of the PDP, Aayim Paes, Aayim Menko, is the party the right one to, as they say they want to do rescue Nigeria from its current travails? No, let me say lightly that at first we'll applaud your proper analysis and understanding of the issues. But I know that it does might be difficult for Aayim Paes, Aayim to accept the run as the vice-presidential cabinet because of the threats from the South East. And then it also might be difficult for a year or maximum wiki to accept, but the party may prevail. But what is largely important is that the PDP must understand that it has got its job well covered for it. The party must wake up to the reality and the urgency of now. They must wake up to try as much as possible to connect with the people, connect with the women, connect with the aged and the young. They must convince Nigerians that with the 75-year-old Waziria Damawa, they can work to rebuild Nigeria. I doubt, but they have a big job on their hands. I believe also that the media must interrogate effusively, profusely, profoundly if you like, the candidates as they manage. We must put them to the crucible and ensure that we give to Nigerians the best come 2023. We must understand that we cannot continue to run our country the same old way. New ideas and new thinking is what has changed nations and that is what we must adopt going forward. Prof, let's listen quickly to Attico Waukar. We would take that video clip now of his speech. Are they primary in when we return? We would round off. Today we are making another history. A history which we believe will bring about fundamental changes in governance and also in our political processes. It is a way to redirect Nigeria, to rebuild Nigeria. It is a way to rescue Nigeria. And it is a way to change the narrative of our country. And for we, the young people particularly, we believe in... Finally, very quickly, Professor, will Attico be able to, I mean, governance put together a strong team? I mean, we know his age and the fact that he is starting off older than Buhari was when Buhari started off. But does he have the character, the ideas and the outlook to be able to put together a strong team of technocrats and a strong team of Nigerians who have the ideas and the drive that you're talking about to execute the rescue operation for Nigeria? I doubt. But let me say also that in the good money of man, he may be able to get some young ideologs who will join him. But a point like what happened in 2014, 2015, when so many of us were behind the emergence of President Mohammed Buhari, who cannot forget or ignore the fact that our dear President has humbly accepted and admitted that if he were younger, he would do much better than he's doing today. So what I'm saying is that the APC must not go the same route this time. Article is the PDP choosing to go the route of the APC in 2014, 2015. And the APC must go a different route by presenting youth capacity and competency to Nigerians. I doubt the competency and the capacity of our people above our job-defying to reposition at any Nigeria. We need a leader in 2023 who can think on his feet, who can work longer hours on a day, who can engage people and engage the world and world leaders with profound intelligence and competency. And that's the minimum that Nigerians expect from 2023. I doubt if Artiqua Buhari can work on that as a card to meet that reality. All right. Thank you very much. Professor Chris, most of all, Wukopia Junior convener of the country-first movement for your outstanding analysis. You're reaching us live from Abuja of Funko. Thank you for your time. Thank you so much. God bless Nigeria. Thank you. And that's the size of a package right here on the breakfast on Class TV Africa. What has been a beautiful Monday morning. 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