 All right. Well, I'd like to call this meeting of the town of Arlington redevelopment board to order. This is the April 24th meeting and we are in the town hall annex. And we will adjourn early this evening. So we're looking forward to getting through our agenda items. And then we will adjourn no later than 750 to town meeting. So we think that walk for being with us here this evening from the Chamber of Commerce. Let's go ahead and jump right into our first meeting after excuse me our first agenda item after we do a brief introduction for the record. I'm Rachel Jenberry chair of the development board. Can allow. Eugene Benson. And we are joined by our members of the department of planning and community development director and assistant director Kelly. All right. So let's move into the first agenda item, which is the ARB rules and regulations, and I will hand it over to Claire. Sure. Great. Thank you. And thank you, Jean for, you know, your comments and edits and edits today. So Kelly has been working on this document has been looking to include updated languages as it relates to zoning by law amendments and comments by the AG's office from 2022. So Kelly, if you'd like to review those that would be awesome. So we just in the front we just mentioned which rules have been proposed to be amended. And then let's see here. Some of these are minor, minor amendments just to reflect changes in title. So here we have changing, changing, changing, sorry, change administrative assistant to office manager because it's a new title. So there, let me stand down here. One of the sections that the board wanted to review was the fees for appearing before the redevelopment board, there have been times in the past when the board has indicated that they would like a little bit more of a delay for waiving fees and so we've added in the statement here on the rules. Jean as amended it. Thank you Jean, to reflect maybe a few conditions under which the rules could be there wonder where to the fee could be changed instead of having it just be wide open. And then the other school down here. We also added in a rule regarding the solar energy system assessment. This was again based on a prior discussion and I believe the end of middle of last year. And then I updated for decisions here to reflect housing choice legislation since that has not been fixed. I'm sure that was it. Yes, that was it. Great. Thank you. No good. If you wouldn't mind just for the record explaining the difference in the boarding thresholds for the zoning and that's related to the housing choice. Sure. So under most conditions the board has to have a super majority or four out of five members have to vote to approve a project. If a project involves a certain it involves multi family housing. Things regarding a permit uses like per parking that with that weighs in on the ability of someone to produce multi family housing. There's a there's a couple of conditions that are laid out in section nine of mass general law chapter 40 a. So under those conditions if a project meets those requirements then it just needs to have it can be approved by a simple majority vote instead of a super majority. Great. Thank you very much. So Jean I know that you had a couple of clarifications and I believe one question for the board so if you would like to start off that would be great. Yes, can you put the page piece Kelly with the waiver. So the draft just said that we, in our discretion can waiver reduce any administrative fee but it was open ended in our sort of felt like it wasn't appropriate for us to have no standards whatsoever. So, thinking through what we've done in the past, I put two in based on the applicants limited or inability to pay or upon a grossly disproportionate disparity between the fees and the capital and income of the applicant. So, that is my suggestion about how we still have discretion but more narrow than everything because I'm always afraid when rules and regulations, but agency do anything at once, with no limits to great. I just have one question for Eugene, given the way that you have the second part written there, or upon disparity between the fees and the capital and income of the applicant do we need the first piece limited inability to pay because I feel like that covers when you're talking about the income of the applicant. It's slightly different right because one is the inability to pay. And the other is disproportionate between the fees let's say the fees are some incredible amount of money. But they have neither income or capital to do it so I think they're very slightly different. Okay. Okay, great. Thanks. Can your thoughts on the proposed changes. I agree with you. I think what you're trying to say right now is the same. Someone put in a public family. Long come housing, and they need some sort of approval, the fee for that can get up to like, I don't know. I think it's about $12,000 now through she didn't really have that time. And we can wait that will reduce it reduce it to make that go away so that it gives them ability, they may have it later on wants to get the project up and running but we're getting started with the project. This is the hard part. Yeah, I agree with that. Steve, any comments. Looks fine to me. Okay, great. I believe that we will vote at our next meeting, correct. Because it was advertised. Okay, perfect. Is there a, is there any other discussion. Just, just if you go back to our first page. Yes. When we do this, you do have to change the first one. Was was voted. Yes, yes. Okay, so is there a motion to approve the ARB rules and regulations as amended. Second, we'll take a vote starting with Steve. Yes, Jean. Yes, Kim. Yes. Those have been approved. Thank you so much. So that closes agenda item number one, and we'll now move to agenda item number two. And again, thank that block for coming to meet with us today. We had discussed when I went to a chamber event and I think even before that an opportunity for the redevelopment board to have a conversation with back as a representative of the chamber of commerce as the executive director. We discussed many of the proposals. The warrant articles that we are looking forward to putting forth in the fall, and just in general how we can support the businesses who are looking to, whether it's to improve their property, locate within Arlington, and ensure that we are in alignment with, again, the needs of the community and the, and the businesses. Before we get started, I'll turn it over to Claire, because I know that the department has prepared a memo related to the discussion here and economic development recommendations. Sure. And I will. I will reference a memo from Kelly from earlier, or last week while I was out on vacations. I think it basically references where we have our economic development. The items and the various plans are some culture plan, the Alton Heights neighborhood action plan and we do have some related business zoning recommendations that we're looking to implement the next at a future town meeting in the fall, along with some other zoning amendments that were not going to be considered at tonight's meeting at this current town meeting. And also, economic development master plan section, and then looks like we have a report more than a decade related to related to development, etc. We are currently without an economic development coordinator. I have reached out to HR to see who who has applied and how and how many. And hopefully, you know, we can get that person on board to continue the work of the DJ Beauregard who was here for a short time but managed to make quite a splash and body impact. So thank you guys for coming. My pleasure. So what I'd love to do, maybe is open this up by seeing if if you have any initial thoughts that you would like to share with the board things that that you've heard from the businesses in town we'd love to, you know, share with you some of the items that we're looking at in terms of whether they're individual business districts, or, you know, within the town in general that will hopefully allow businesses and developers to put together projects that prioritize businesses, especially along our major quarters such as NASA, Broadway, and section to summer streets. So I don't have anything particular prepared because this was a little bit short notice and I wasn't sure exactly what we were going to be talking about that's okay. But I'm very happy to be invited here and I think it's really important to have these conversations and hopefully this is this will be the first of many. I mean, once we could talk about I guess my biggest concern with any sort of projects that might be under review right now and up for, you know, approval now would be that there not be a net loss of retail, or, you know, first floor level retail space. We, although we hear about vacant space in Arlington. It's more that we have. I don't think the vacancy rate is anywhere near as high as people think it is for one thing, statistically, and secondly, one of the I think we probably all know that many of the spaces that we have that are available for these are not appealing to tenants current day types of tenants. So, I think some of the property owners out there may be having a hard time renting some of these spaces that they have but that's not it's not because people aren't looking at Arlington, in fact, people, a lot of people are working at Arlington. And I think, what are they looking at Arlington for what are they thinking of bringing here. I would say there's always there always people looking for restaurant bar type space, but significant good size places. And we don't have we don't have that many choices, I mean, you know, the choice the places that, you know, something like the common ground space did sit vacant for a while but that was mostly because of the pandemic. That would have reached up a lot quicker but hadn't been for the pandemic. And we don't have many options like that. I know several tenants that are looking right now to do a deal for a pub type space, and they are able to either find the right size space. Or when they try to get creative. They don't always, you know, it's, they don't have. Well, I don't really want to go there. But it's the quality of the space that we have is not the main. Yes, so I mean that's my number one thing is that I'd love to see any projects that you're looking at going forward that, if anything, we gain some. Some, some appealing, and I wouldn't be able to tell you right now what the right. The sweet spot is for square footage but I'm sure we could, you know, get that information by talking to some commercial real estate agents and that kind of thing about who's looking. And, and then the other major issue that I would love to see I don't know if it's within the scope of this board at all, but I'd really love to see some effort put into. I guess I might be coming from the inspectional services but the, the maintenance of signage signage maintenance of signage quality of signage. Everything to do with signage signage that is on a building that no one has been in the space for five years that sign shouldn't still be up and, and I know it's, you know, the rules say it shouldn't be the rules say right and it's an area that, you know, it's a, it's a big problem, and then quality of signage as well so. And certainly quality of building maintenance, you know that that's something that I think we all know we'd like to see but it's hard to. I don't know how that can be achieved within the rules of the town but we certainly have a building, a stock of older, older, older and buildings that could stand some love. Yeah, so those are my main issues but I mean, I love to hear everything that you're working on how we might be able to, you know, help inform that as well. Sure. Please go ahead Ken. Well, yeah I was wondering how we work together on. I'm going to go there where you don't want to go. There's probably going to be a handful. We have done so owners along mess up and they own the profits outright. And it's less riskier for them to do nothing and still make money than to invest in their own property to make, make something out of it. And I'm just wondering is there a way where we can work together on somehow getting something so that we would encourage the owners to look into developing their redeveloping lands to do that. I'll give you a couple examples. Okay, yeah. One was, you know, that it started with me maybe six years ago maybe. What else. Okay, that was a that was a hole in the wall house that had drug addicts and everybody else that's in there okay, and everybody was telling me. You can't do anything about it the owners of away and we've been doing this and that. So we finally put a little wedge in there, saying that it may be excessive but you know CVS want to increase their change their signage and branding a little bit. And that is part of their permit and they had to come up and do something about it. They still haven't done anything. They've done everything but do anything about it. Okay, CVS on the property. No, I don't. The person owns the house owns the CDS. And they shifted the house over the we gave a special permit to build that CVS there next to the high school. So that's still under our preview, right. Yes. We sort of forced them because they want to change the signage and we modify that special permit that they had to address that it's come to a complete stop right now I don't know what's going on over there now it's it's an historic right. Yes, I believe they were waiting for demolition delay demolition delay expires in June of this year, but they had it before. As soon as you applied the time stocks then, but they were just kicking the can down the road kicking can down the road and what they want to do is to want to tear down which is a shame but still move forward, and they were going to build two floors of office space, and it was going to incubate a space for start up companies. And I thought that was good. Now, upstairs would be some houses to balance the thing out okay, but stuff like that. Yeah, we need to find stuff like that to encourage the owners to do something like that. And you said earlier, a lot of these bacon stores. They just put up paper or nothing at all over the storefronts and leave it alone. I thought we had passed some sort of bacon storefront bacon storefront they had to make sure that it's clean that they had dressed it up and all that kind of stuff. And if they don't do that we would find them. So right now I'm not finding right now any where we have some important power when you say well that's where I that that definitely goes in line with my comment about signage I mean it's, it's enforcement of the existing rules and regulations I guess that that would have been a better way for me to worry but I was thinking because I totally agree with you that that's signage is just one part of it empty storefront taking care of your space is another trying to lease it you know, showing that you're trying to lease it and registering with the town on that is another I don't personally think that the I think it's great that we have a bacon store bylaw I don't think it's that demanding. I know I don't I don't think it's like it's not. It's fairly minimal to find yeah right yeah. Yes, but we're going to think of something like that. And then encouragement right now the billing officials right now, they haven't increased the size. And I'm assuming, if we're serious about that we should, you know, talk to the select board and say look let's fund some money, and put, and put the money what we want to do and say hey, let's have encouragement, and maybe have it. Doesn't a person a part time person or whatever. And work on that 100%. But we elected that together, not. Yes, yeah, yeah, not just from the board here. Yeah, but your board, right and of course right I say I supported I have to take it to my board pretty likely that they would support it. I encourage owners of existing properties, instead of just leaving it. Yeah, derelict. They say hey, they will work with us. Let's go out reach out to them talk to them say hey, let's what we can do about encouraging them to develop their properties. I totally agree I mean if there are ways that I'm not familiar with like what what is appropriate and not of legal is the right word or what what we can truly ask of a building owner but if there are ways that we can come up with and to work together to do that, I would love to do that. I would like to provide two examples to that so when Ali Carter was still here in the economic development coordinator position together with the Arlington Heights, the neighborhood action plan group and inspector champa. They, that those three groups together actually put together a plan for reaching out to the Arlington Heights district owners regarding signage. Unfortunately, you know when she left that that that effort has languished a bit. But in addition to that. One of the four corners of the park have and mess have intersection. One owner had elected to re paint and clean up the entire facade of their building. Yeah, which was much. Right so using that as a as an opportunity to have a discussion with the other three owners to say, look what this has done in this area, can you imagine what would happen if all four owners, together at the same time invested in their property and it was successful and convincing several of those owners to repaint to repair some of their their store. Did you, did you bring them to the tape like who, yes, so there were that Arlington Heights neighborhood group together with inspector champa and Ali Carter got together and figured out who had relationships right that we could leverage and and talk about the benefits to their tenants and to to them as business owners in terms of the, the, the curb appeal. Yeah, and the, the, the, the increase in foot traffic that would be expected. I didn't realize so we have one of our board members is on that committee. Yeah, so we met in a, in a while, I know that but it was doing some good work right and I knew, I mean I definitely was aware at the time of what was happening but I didn't know there were direct direct contacts to landlords that's fantastic. Yeah, and I've done some of that in the center. Yes. And I have very good relationships with some of the landlords in center. But it, it, there's more than a handful there are a handful that own multiple properties, but some of the ones that we know we'd like to see. I mean there are. There are a lot of different property owners I think more than, more than a handful, but I mean, yeah, I don't know what the approach would be what the incentives would be, you know, it's hard for me to offer incentives but if we if the town could come up with some potential incentives and we go together, you know and I represent the business community and yeah. So if I could suggest something a lot of this came out of a walking tour that that Arlington Heights group put together with Inspector Champa and with Ali representing the Department of Planning and Community Development to walk just the Arlington Heights business district to to talk about what were the priorities what were the highest priorities, who knew whom, and what could we, what could we put together to, to affect change and those were the two priorities that were, and there were many on the list of those, those, you know, were potential quick wins. Yeah, that were identified and I'm wondering if, you know, some subset of this group and represented from the planning department and yourself. And maybe another member of the Chamber, we were to identify, again, sections of town. Yeah, we did that kind of a walking tour and just identified opportunities to, to create some sort of an impact again starting with putting together a list of priorities and which buildings we wanted to target first and that kind of thing. Yeah. And I had one more. One more group. Common public works should be part of that. I think like madam marker did join this walking tour. Having the fact that town's willing to step up and take care of the sidewalks curb cuts. Any plantings out there street lighting any of that kind of stuff to help encourage. Absolutely. Activate the street lights there. I'm excited about that because now they're investment in their zone is a couple of what's going on there. Yeah. So if you take an holistic approach, I think. Yeah, I wish I had just reminded me. On Friday I was in Wellesley and I noticed a sign on a couple signs on an empty storefront and went and looked at it. I took pictures I meant to look it up, but there was a, they were advertising a meeting for streetscape. You know, and come and come and give your opinion on these two or three potential new streetscape plans. And it said it was from the equivalent of this board in Wellesley. And that would be, I mean, I could see that could maybe be like a long term goal that could come out of meeting walking tours like that and that kind of thing. I mean, the streetscape has changed nicely, you know, to some degree in the center and there's still work coming up the parking lot Russell common parking lot renovation is going to be happening and there have been new plantings and, you know, they're little little baby steps are happening around town but a more comprehensive streetscape plan. I don't know who, you know, exactly what's involved in that I think quite a bit but I would I would love to see something like that. I think, and again before I, for it out to some of the other board members for their thoughts one of the other things that could be an interesting part of that kind of a walking tour discussion are is a discussion of some of the proposed bylaws that we are planning on putting forth for fall, a special town meeting in the fall related to zoning with regard to things like the height modifications, and that we are proposing again to increase the opportunity for for greater business. Yeah, stays where it makes use, you know, where there's quite a bit of underutilized one story. Yeah, so just creating the opportunity, right, right, or people. Yeah. Kim, did you have anything. I had a question. This is sort of a long arc of history time a question. You know if you go back half a century or so. Well, just slightly over half a century, our business districts were a lot bigger. You know they ran sort of like the entire length of mass out, and most of the length of back and forth along Broadway. And, you know, back in the 70s or so we sort of the town, or we wrote our bylaws the two things that were part of that which I think affected the business district where one was removing the substantial part of the map. So areas that were, I'm sorry, moving apart. Yeah. So there's back in, not having an old map handy if you could think pull it up. I looked at them so you I may remember. So the business districts used to stretch, like about 150 feet in, you know from Mass Ave going 150 feet in one side and 150 feet in the other side. The entire length of the town. And I'm not sure. So without the breaks for residential. Right so we see today have a lot a lot of residential commercial was knocked down to build residential. Well no wasn't so much. So the black areas are residential, the dark colored areas along like Mass Ave. Business districts have always allowed apartments. But what ended up happening in the 70s was was areas like, you know, you think of this section and he started like that. Any place that was in the business district that didn't have a business got turned into residential. So you kind of didn't have a business. But which the way our bylaw works you, it's next to impossible to change that back. The other thing, the other sort of, you know, main consequence of this, you know, redoing the map was there were two business districts in effect. So there was one in our Lincoln Center, and, you know, everything else, and by two districts I mean like basically two sets of rules, where the current map we've just kind of chopped everything up into like this is an automotive district. This is, you know, we've chopped it up into six districts, and all of them have their own, like little variations and what you can do and what you can't do. And I mean, even you can have a block where, you know, you can put a hotel here but you can't put a hotel here, even though it's right next to order it. And like one of the sort of the two questions I have are, are the business districts districts we have now big enough, you know, should we have more land devoted to business districts and, you know, from a practical standpoint how difficult are the sort of like, you know, the very the parcel the parcel variations of the, the different the way that the rules change so so frequently. And that is something I can't answer because I don't, I'm not knowledgeable enough about the zoning and that I don't hear enough about that in my work to be able to answer that. And the other question, I guess, that's a hard one for me to, I think, if the business, the business districts themselves if they had the right kind of spaces. The size seems okay but they don't. So for that reason, I guess I would, I could envision expansion. Okay. Because I think we do lose many potential tenants to other towns, because we don't have, we don't have space that is appealing to what they're need, what they need, and that would, you know, I'm kind of thinking at the retail level but it's also true. We don't attract startup space we don't attract any kind of small high tech and that kind of thing we just don't have this space. So, we, yeah, certainly would be great for the retail and restaurants if we had more people coming working in Arlington and office type jobs. And that, you know, I can't speak to the zoning. It makes total sense if we could simplify the zoning we can, we could do more. Yeah, basically I was wondering if you ever ran into a case it's maybe someone business owners trying looking and looking at wants to start a business in town may have identified a couple of spot, a potential spot or two talks to the Chamber of Commerce and then, you know, they go back and do some more to find out oh what the thing we wanted to do in that space while we can't actually do it. Right. I don't, I know I think somebody from, you know, the in the economic development coordinator position would tend to hear more of that kind of thing. Not all of my work is involved and you know people who are looking at town a lot of stories are most of my work is people who are already here. But I hear a lot about people looking anecdotally from landlords and that kind of thing and and other businesses so I'm not, I'm not totally involved in in that. I was just wondering what you might have heard. Yeah, yeah. Good question. Because we could, we could guess but it's, it's, it's better to ask someone who, you know, who's does it does it every day. Well, again, I would think that, you know, there are some. We could look at talking to some commercial real estate agents who there's one in particular I know has works with a member of my board who owns a couple of buildings and this this landlord almost never has vacancy. She owns two good size retail buildings in town, and they both are. She has turnover, but when she has space, she always fills them. And she so I mean right there. That'll tell you that people are looking and for that for that reason I've asked her about, you know what types of businesses are looking at your spaces who do you work with how do you bring them in and I mean she's, she would be a great person to tell you in terms of what her experiences in term that I found it very valuable and have learned a lot from her and I know she's interested herself in seeing things improve in this regard in town. Yes, I don't like our master plans economic development summary I think it's actually that might be listed as an appendix, but the coffee board talks about this as well but they, you know they're they're leakage reports. You know, we're, you know we're sending a lot of business out of town. And it would, I would, I would hope that we could do something about that. Yeah. Yeah. One of is what I want to talk about is, I mean when I first moved this town a while back, just was a try town. Yeah, you know that well. Yeah. This is only recently become quite. But the owner that was going to take over, but wanted to look at the tango. Okay, very. Yes. Yeah, they were, they're all set to go. And they found that the regulations that we had for consumption of alcohol. It was a hidden so they moved the town over. All right. Really. That was the reason. The regulations that we had for the consumption so in other words the amount of alcohol without food to drink. Yeah, we've heard that from multiple drinks sources food you know and that, and that just doesn't work for them. So, we have to look at it and say hey, this is one thing that's holding back. We have a new model that brewery, you know, that those types of breweries haven't been around for very long where tap rooms and that kind of thing that I'm sure you're right about that. Yeah. And that could have been. I mean, I was excited for that. Yeah. But it's a shame that when the next time over like Steve said, yep, we're driving away because of our rules. Yep. Okay, so I hadn't heard that one but that makes a big difference with many other rules right. I mean, the 50 seat minimum for a all for a whole bar is also a problem with 50 seats. I didn't hear that one I just heard that one there. The first substantive article that town meeting will take up is, you know, is is another example. I think we're so this involves self service gas stations. You know, there is a station on Broadway where the owners wanted to do a lot of self service. We don't allow them down. They brought a, you know, proposed a bylaw change last year. You know, asking, basically asking, let us, let us do self serve town meeting votes, close this down. They have the trying again. And we'll see how this goes but there's sometimes I think this isn't this is another sort of another some sometimes yeah I think our rules are aren't really as friendly as we can, they could be, and I think there's also a real hesitancy towards changing them in some cases. I don't know what the answer to this is but it's, it's just something on. It's a challenge working together with, you know, the chamber, and, and the business owners to understand from the owner's perspective, as well, the impact. We have not reached out as much as we perhaps could have in the past so being able to do that more in the future, as we work to help explain what the potential impact is and ask for feedback so that before things are finalized we can make changes to address any either concerns or good ideas that come from the people who are already operating businesses in this town in terms of things that are challenging for them. Yeah. Yeah, I have to do some thinking on what the best way I mean the walking tours one, you know, some sort of a survey. We have all of the businesses in town as chamber members. Sure. That's another thing like something like the gas station like that had they been a chamber member, and had they reached out to us, we might have tried to help support that doesn't mean we would have necessarily been successful, but it maybe it would have helped their cause to have some to show chamber support when they presented to. I mean, I know we're starting to get a lot of time so I do want to make sure that Jean has an opportunity to share his thoughts as well. A couple questions. I wondered if your members talk about traffic parking, public transportation at all, or is that just not really on the way to parking is probably the only one that I hear about, and not lately I haven't heard a lot about you know I think you know coming out of coven and traffic in general, being lighter and business being lighter fewer restaurants, until we get some some of these. Maybe it's changing. Don't feel it and that kind of thing. But I mean it's just sort of anecdotal stories it's it's nothing bad. I don't in fact the business that's looking right now. I'm surprised that they haven't talked more about parking. They seem bothered by it. They have locations in downtown Boston, you know, they don't have a parking lot next to them, and they, they are used to being in a location where there's people have to go park and walk. So, I don't hear about it as much as I used to, but the other things I don't hear much at all about public transportation, which doesn't mean no one's thinking about it but I just don't hear about it. What was the other one parking traffic traffic. No, I don't hear about traffic. Because I talked to a couple of restaurant owners, but traffic. Yeah, no, I do, I do, I would say I do hear a little more about foot traffic. That's the thing that everybody asked me about, right. When they when they look into for restaurant is in Arlington, right, this is lack of traffic and then the nine encouraged by it. And they say there's not enough density along our, our districts, business districts to increase the courage for traffic. Certainly for lunchtime business. Yeah, I mean, the, again, the only particular current this current tenant that I'm thinking of he, he is aware of the fact that there is some residential going up over the Papageno space he's excited about that he knows that there's possibility that there may be more buildings in the center that go multi use and he is very hot on Arlington. I mean a lot of these businesses are hot on Arlington they think Arlington is a hot place. They don't, they're not they don't seem to be a more destination oriented. But I, but I don't disagree with you. I mean, walking traffic does. Jean, did you have another question. Yeah. So, I know that we're kind of at time, because we need to just quickly move to new business and then adjourn to town meeting. But that I'd love to, you know, maybe see if we could find a time once town meeting is over to schedule some sort of a walking tour perhaps whether it. You know, one of the potential articles that we're looking at for the fall is to look at a business, a new business district that covers all of Arlington Heights. So, to Steve's point of Arlington Heights, Heights, okay, so that so rather than six different, or five different districts I think which are just represented just within the Heights, right, which makes it hard to put together. Exactly. Which is why we're looking at potentially, you know, updating the zoning so that that's a single business district. Yeah. You know that could be one place we look or we could look, you know, at Arlington Center or East Arlington but I think chatting more about that would be something that I think we'd all be really interested in and then also once we get further into the planning process making that we coordinate with you and the and the chamber for some feedback and to see if there are our areas where the chamber would would be supportive based on what the potential outcomes might be. We'd love to chat with you. Yeah, absolutely. And if any or all of you ever wanted to attend one of our board meetings, we'd be happy to do that Kelly attended last week and gave a great presentation and we're going to be bringing on some new board members in the in the near future and so I want to get them right up to speed and working on good, you know, projects like this for sure. I'd be interested in what the chamber thinks about this MBTA communities I'm guessing that's sure. No, actually, we finding on the bike way. No, I didn't. Yeah, actually come back. Yeah, come back because the businesses had expressed a lot of interest in MBTA communities. Yeah, and had generally expressed interest in increased residential density. We're somewhat concerned about a loss of potential loss. Okay, so I think that's going to be one of the tension. Some people want to put more housing where the business districts are now and, you know, so I think that's when I think that's where you see like how Lexington responded to that issue. It is interesting. Thank you so much. Thank you so much for having me and nice to meet you all. Good to see you and thank you for setting another date. Absolutely. Thank you. All right, so that closes agenda item number two. Our next item is new business. I know we're running late so Claire, did you have anything that you wanted to bring forth for new business. Not particularly. I know we have talked a little bit about, you know, our three zoning articles that are up for discretion. Yes, town meeting. We did ask that those items be put on the consent agenda. It's like there has been a hold on those. I know that the board also weighed in on potentially article 14. There's also, which is the strategic plan and strategic working group for new growth that is this board recommend the select board actually recommended no action. We wrote the ARB wrote a letter, you know, also recommending no action that has also been held. I'm not sure, you know, if there's any further response needed from the board, I think we've made certainly are your outlook on that clear. But generally, I think that's what to expect this evening. It also appears that the affordable housing everywhere. And this board recommended no action on that pursuant to much other action later. Okay. Quick, sorry, go ahead. If there is a substitute motion provided for that or amendments posed. I think it would be worthwhile to sort of tailor our schedule so that you could formally discuss them as a group and perhaps provide town meeting with an assessment. Sure. So I believe that we have a meeting scheduled for next Monday with nothing on the agenda. It does come from I'd say also article 14, which is that I'm planning whatever it's called. Yeah, because when diggins is going to put in a substitute motion. Yes, yes. Yeah, so I think if it doesn't come up before next Monday, we will have the substitute motion. And should be able to look at it and see if you want to take a position. And then the only other item is to see whether or not there has been any movement on the MOU related to the transfer of properties I know that Doug was working on that however also working on everything for town meeting. Yeah, I spoke with them time this afternoon. I have to get that to you. So, okay, continue to still in process right Doug. Okay, to get us that document. Okay, great. Anything else. All right, is there a motion to adjourn to town meeting. So we'll come. Second. Okay. We'll take a vote. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.