 As always, it is a pleasure being with you each and every Thursday. Very good morning to you. My name is Ram Maguko. It is the 16th of September 2021. Thank you so much for keeping it power talk. Thank you for keeping it Y254. And as I have said, this is power talk coming to you each and every Thursday. And today we have a lot in store for you in our conversation today. Remember we are coming to you live from the broadcasting house in Nairobi. We are also live now website at www.kebc.co.ke 4 slash Y254. And so they also engage with us on our social media platforms that I shall highlight in a bit. But today I'm joined by interesting guests. Today we want to talk about depression in men. Now on this show we always talk about so many things. We always talk about things that change, motivate, inspire, inform. And you know want to make us better people. Today we want to understand this perspective of depression. They say that men according to statistics are the most depressed as compared to women. Why so? What can we do to reduce the number of depression among the men? Have you had, have you thought, have you had or have you been thought that men are not supposed to cry? Is that true? Do you support that? What about women? What role do women play in ensuring that they reduce the rate of depression among the men? Is it that it is the women who increase depression among the men? Well today let's talk about depression among the men from the perspective of the men. Remember it's all about man talk today again. I'm joined to my extreme right by none other than Meshia Koteano. He is the CEO of Awek Youth Initiative. Meshia, hope you are well. I'm good. Let's have a show. And the next to me, you've seen him around, you've seen him everywhere. I met him there when he met me in Tandao. Mchungaji. Asande yes. Asande yes. They are from Malaysia. They are from Malaysia. Mchungaji? Azande yes. Azande yes. Mchungaji. Azande yes. I'm joined by Mchungaji, a comedian. It's all about men and depression and show that they engage with us on our social media handles. The hashtag is Power Talk Show on Twitter at Ramaguko. And that's why to pay for channel. Remember to also head over to Facebook. You've posted a question on our Facebook page. Drop in your comment on the comment session below on our photograph. You'll see a very interesting photo of the three of us. Drop in your comment on that comment section and I shall sample your feedback as we continue with this conversation. This is Power Talk. Let's talk. Men. Aha, niazana na nani. We like to go first, but before we continue. I know there is something interesting in this video. You want to talk about it? There is something you've carried. Do you want to keep it for later or now? No, actually right now before I say anything. Mezhak has come with the rose in studio. A very interesting red rose. Why are you carrying a rose? I actually want to dedicate it to somebody on air. I celebrated my birthday two days ago. Happy birthday. Thank you. But there is this amazing human being that has always been supportive in my journey. She is called Naomi Clay. Naomi Clay. Yes, and today I just want to tell you that I love you so much. Oh yeah. Watch out. To me, ma liza depression. Apana. What is your camera? Oh, come with me. You don't have a camera. Who is Naomi? Naomi Clay. Who is she to you? She is actually my fiancé. Oh, she is your fiancé. Ah, she is my fiancé. But we are almost headed there. We are almost headed there. We are almost headed there. We are almost headed there. We are almost headed there. Yes, but because... These are things that men don't do online. Yes. Because they are depressed. So I want to do this. Speak to her. Thank you so much for your support through all the years. And I really love you, Naomi Clay. And today I want to dedicate this love to you for your support and for your continued support. Love you. Wow, wow. This is the real man. Yes. This is the real man. This is the real man. No, no. No, no, no, no. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Before they die, we were there with them. So, while I say ma, nipe mawa nigali nikohai. Yeah. Nanona. My brother mepeana mawa akiwa nigali uhai. Wow. Ya peleka kwa kaburi. Ya peleka kwa kaburi. Ya peleka kwa kaburi. Ya. Not sooner. I don't think it's Naomi. Naomi. Nneza pata nambayake. Eh, utapata? Takia twu. Ya takia twa. I don't think it's Naomi. Ya takia twa. Ya takia twa. I don't know今日は. So I can bless our one pair. One pair. Oh no, man. Yes. Tizia opana. Y-y-y-y-y-y-y-ya. And this is why I love power tug. Because here, we express ourselves. Yes. As is. Apu akuna stress mob, mawa bapi ini. So, whenever you are engaged with us, express yourself from wherever you're watching us from. Yes. Man tu mpa notéré, kia kwenkhu mekutumi kandini was that he did say he's internally stressed even though he's down for everything things he does, said his people. Sihat gani w fifteen kusak na kubighi. When it comes to this perspective of depression, there is this belief or this conception that men ought not to be expressive. You see there in Meshakas ameaza. Ameaza ame, ame declare la, publik. And there's some people who say that a man should not be that expressive. Unafu kwe held back, utulie, be quiet. Don't speak when you have something concrete to say. Don't show any emotion. Do you believe in that? No, I don't believe in that. Ya, wana itwa wana umefiche. Kwakizungu wana itwa hidden man. Wana umefeku ahulem tu mwanyan ameaza akiongami fukastu. Wana umefile tu me umwana mwanyi zi mungu tulipewa dominion. Ok, angali apo genesis inasama go and rule, go and multiply. Wakwa ame ya manamuke? Wana ame ya manamume, go and multiply. So manamume ni mutu ambe ya mejibanga. Manamume ni mutu ambe yufaiku feature. Nama manamume wile tu me umwana mungu, iso wituza tzeme wile my brother mefanya, this is the right thing to do. Because wana juwani huyo tu naumi peke aki. Atam tu mungi na kama ame kwa kikufi ni amachu ya satano. Then atajiwa hi imechorwa, territory imechorwa. So kitumzuri just be open. Kama ukona wawili se mahaya, nikona naumi na jen. Una juw, the reason wana nasimanga, men are depressed is because they are quiet. How ungei? Wana ume tu naungianga. Nivile tu naungianga chinia maha jen. Koni nambas zi mungi zekaivi. Wana ume na kudu depressed sana kulika tawa naake. Nawa naake duwa naungianga sana kulika tawa naume. Wana ume yenda kwenya watu wana choma nyama kwa klapa. Upatiwa naume wa kiyongiwa. Men tu duwa, I think wana alifanya hi risach ya alikosa. Because maybe alifanya risach kwa salun. Do men talk between men and women? Who are the ones wana ungei sana wana zareli stress? Well I think when it comes to talking for me, it's more about personality. Right? Talking out your heart, talking out what you feel. But also there is something around men. The fact that they feel like they are strong and that attaches them not to express themselves. And that is the basis of depression. Men believe they are muscular and or you should not be expressing your feelings. And that is the wrong way to go for everybody. I actually believe that when you are able to talk you are able to release whatever you have from inside to outside. And this is one of the things from that wana ume wa fani by the way. Just talk. Uke na kwa ba basically they are probably talking to friends but not the right people. So are you having that conversation with the right person? Are you talking to the right person? Are you approaching the right person in these talks? So it is not a weak attribute at the wana ume wa fani. Or is it soil to be weak? To express yourself, to tell a lady I love you and all that or even to express heartbreak. At the wana ume wa fani, you need someone to talk to. At the wana ume wa man up. Man up is over exaggerated. I think man up comes when you need to take on responsibilities. And in fact you should also take responsibility of expressing yourself. That is how we should be looking at man up in that context. So Kamuneika inside and you believe that is being strong. Actually I think that is the weakest point ever for me. If you are quiet. And you are never talking out to emotions. You are an expressive guy. I am a very expressive guy. You think that is very expressive. I think that is very expressive. We are going to start the interview later. We are going to start the interview. I think my wife is on TV. Yes on her national TV. I don't know if she get it but I know. I say to her that we have to cut these roots. I must do it bigger. na moku alumikia. Uni nuku player na the odds? Of course. Ui, waku naku na mehambe hizi player. I was playing away. Kwa na chazezin ou mehote nihide? Did you just say you unimena hote ni player. No, mojaku jaze me hizi player, ahto waze se me hizi player. I'm not a player. You are lying to yourself! You are not even lying to God. You are lying to yourself. Why do you believe all men are players? They are players because this is to me umbo evo. Wakati umbo li umbo awa. Aka mpa Adam. Aka mambe nao. Hawa ni waku. Ati Hawa? Go Hawa ni waku. I think we were confused. We were confused at the Tukianda. So kama uta chukwe yo na wei nue antenna useme Hawa. Siu Hawa. Wote ni awa. Aama wacha re na kiswaili useme ni if. Biko su kisama ni awa, then you will be confused. Then you will go for everyone. So mua na umbe ote. Baya na taza mazaia, sebe siu. Ya ya siu. Hawa siu wakia. Munga ni wakia. Munga li sema awa ni waku. So that is not us. So I think munga na faku to Saidiya. And due to GSE Hawa. Hawa ni iwa. So many factors lead to depression. Munga na zafikirai depression ni. It starts from kitu kama. Kuna is simple term stress. Yes, stress. Kitu napati awa no me tu stress. Kukua na wanawake wengi. Is it? Ya. Kukua na wanawake wengi. There is this particular individual who has several wives. Another individual has several girlfriends. Not wives. Another individual has a wife and other concubines. Mungine akona mi pangwa kandoli. The wife doesn't know. So it is a mixture. Different people. And some youths come as is. Wengi akona wanawake wame jaya. All over. Uya na kupigia na sama na takapesia manikua. Mungi na na kupigia na sama na takapesia salun. Mungi na na kupigia na takapesia mutoto. Is that a factor? I think yes. It is a factor. The factor is not having many women. The factor in it is what the women are demanding. Monawana umuwa siya. Mutu wakwe stick to one. But because you can't limit people. If they feel they need to have many, they need to have many. But the problem here in Aruniba kwa monawume, why are you sufficient enough? Are you ready enough to have many women? Or you can only accommodate one? So if you consider your factor, then you are able to make an informed decision as to whether na takwa na moja ama wengi? Onakumka stories. There is this guy who went to all the way to Loret. A kapigia msiya na wengi na shoka. You know his story. He was in stress. He was in depression. Bona twa, so owa no moja wengi yama wengi msiya. Kamas iwewe na wengi. Yama kama siwewe... Just cancel everyone. You stick to one. Na wengi moja kikupeta stress. Una moja uncafra mgingi na. I think that is not. Iyo ikwa stress. It was love. What do you mean? Yes, it was love because if I can not have you, na akuna muwa takuhaw. Because na ikama stress, wende uwe mutu na una kata maramoja, one tum paka kufika biza. That is, okay, piya sita sama ni laugh because if you laugh someone, you cannot do that. So it's, iku apu katikati. Ma penzi me changa nika, naku changa nikiwa. Because I think, it's a mekumfano. Mewu na pendakitu flanyan, then upatia mutu anachkua icho kitu. It's either utasema, it's either ni kwenahi kitu amani skwenayo. So unona kuna kitu, na iyo kitu na kujangatu in seconds. So kama ukukaribu na mutu. Lakin ni wina shindwa li travel kutoka na irobi. Na irobi na ama thika. E luka thika? Thika. From thika mpa ka eldoret. That is, a lot of hours, I think angipua me fikiri amesema wacha ni rude. E wacha ni rude. Kama ni ivo meyamuwen, then wacha ni rude. Most li pay zi witu, na fanyika jyobetroyo, itnav. I think that is the word. You feel ome invest sana in somebody. And then, you obetrade. Na jywa, there are some people who say that they want to be on kia visura kichapua. But he kuchapua, he ni shoka. Namateso. You know what I'm saying. It's actually somebody trying to speak by action. Right? Though they are just negative action. I mean, how about again that you express. Like I felt betrayal, these and these. And it comes back to the conversation we are having initially about men talking. So in our generation, especially generation zi, to mechagwaku on kia visu actions. And that is why I want to say all these stories are so many. E na ni imtu wali wali wali wakua hostel, external li wali wapi. Because they don't talk. Ni depression? Ni depression. They get a lot from inside. And then by nature, you burst out. And the only way they can express you who burst out, ni through. Chapa umtu shoka. Yeah, it's true. Mchungaji. Oone zambia mi uitu ma nyanakwa tsaiizi. Kama ni kukuna dhim. Kukuna angabi. Ay. Because apu na stresiko. Iu ni mambo. Iu ni mambo. Atu fai kuotu na ungelele iu. Kama, even the Bible says. The Bible? The Bible says. If that... I don't know kama ntakumu kwa the exact verse in the book. But the Bible says that if you're not ready, then usicho chei yu ma pensi. If you're not ready, don't start then iu. Iku ki ni nikiya love. But if you're ready, start. Don't start up love before it's time. Yes, before it's time. Yes, ni songo Solomon. Yes, it's there. Songo Solomon. Nimbosa Solomon. Nambosa Solomon. Nambosa Solomon. Songo Solomoni ma nyanatu ampi iwo. He had 700. So in short, we have 700 and we write those. We had 700. But I think 300 concubines. Yes, at kwa iyo, he was now talking out of experience. No pata? Yes. Yo, yo. Yes. In short, anakwambia. All these things for eku have 700 wives na nili. It was vanity. In other words, kama ntakiku stres tulia tu. When the time is right, go for it. God will bring you a lady. But when is the right time, then? That is the conversation that we need to have. I don't have the pleasure. Awezi ka kwa kukingoja the right time, honestly. When is the right time? My friend, the right time, you know it. You are not working. You are still in your mother's house. U na kulatya kula yama maya. Mama ya kwa na kufuli ango. You are not ready. At all. You are not ready. You are working. Uko na kapitu. Uko kwa ko. Then, uko samu ya ready, karibuna ready. Una za jili piyata. Una za jili piyata. But I know people. Onafanyu zubitu zote. And they don't have, like, girlfriends. Now, how I marry wana mama zitu. Now, mimi niko 35 years. Na badu niko kwa nyumba yama mayangu. Na baba yangu. Na fanya nini. Na nita kaa apu forever. Yama na ukureni. Atakiku kua ready. Akun na nini yaku kuskuma ukukua baba yaku. Una fanya naka. See only, na badu, auto stress, depression. Because when you want to get married, una naftams chana. Lakin na the same time, you feel like I don't think it's your money. Badu niko kwa mama yangu. Badu nali piwa rent. Badu nini nili shwa. Sezika jirulia mangu. Uta kua ready sangap. Tuta potea wana ume. Pakaskuile tuajibata wene. So conversation ni gani. Do we learn how to be ready? No. No. I think conversation ni has a way to pierce as gina wana tuangusha. Una laumu azazi. E mi na laumu azazi. Because akuna wili mtu wana zakuwa badu waka 30. So inafakufuze kwenyumba? Asi akufuze. Kitambo. Kitambo. Ile wakatu weitu. Wakatu wakina hawa. Uko? 3rd floor. 2nd floor. Uko 2nd floor. So wakatu weitu, from mutua 3rd floor, wakatu weitu lukuna fika maali mama nanzaku kufuze. Akufuze na latitopa nanzaku kufuze. Tinda ronzaro. Tinda ronzaro. Tinda ronzaro. Ati my son. My son. Una onadi. Una onadi. Una fikiria mimi zahizi. Emutu ambi akili ya kwa. Una fikiria. Ukiyanda na irobi, utavite kijana mukanya na anakufuze. Because anona, babayakia aku. Babayakia aku 56. Mama ndiu uyo. Watutu weini ndiya badu na skuma. Wei badu kutuwa pume nga jia. Na wako 3rd floor. Mama nanzaku imba. So kuna wili wana nga kungeleshua. Lakini was especially sorry when you are a lady. Of course. Sanasan na waka wana uwanawa ke. This is one factor. So societal pressure. Enye na fanya wana umwa wana kuna depression. Because you want to meet some expectation and badu hujiya. Which you can't. Weizi. It's very hard. Tell us what you think about this conversation. We're talking about men and depression. And it's all about understanding why are men depressed and what can we do about it to reduce the rate of depression. At the hashtag it's part of the show on Twitter at Ram Maguko and at Y2Four channel. You drop in your comments as you continue with this conversation we shall sample them up a bit later on. Aya. The loss of a loved one. Lost. It could be through either way. Heartbreak or death or any other way. The loss of a loved one. People understand loss in different ways. For some men when they experience loss they close up. One agifungia they don't talk. Others one end up in a club one drink one akunwa others get into drugs and alcohol and they drink themselves in it. They can sleep for days in the house. Manumena far handily agikit. The loss of a loved one. Chew to tonsera naniya paivi. Meshank. I think I have some life event which relates to that and actually the example is Naomi. So we separated two years ago with Naomi. Yes. The same Naomi. Yes. And that was a very that was a very big shift in my life by then. I was so much depressed actually depression for around four months and obviously I had a few people that were coming in terms of helping because I was able to speak by then on whatever was feeling and you know I mean the mistake obviously was from my side and so living with the understanding that you've lost the person that you love is key and admitting is very key. Right? Yeah. Then two years after I tried to move on but this is not happening because I'm still attached to this one person. And you are dated or you have been dating her for how long now? So before right now it's for around five to six months but now that is after now declaring that we are back again in this but even though we've been putting ourselves together after the breakup for the last one year right? So I would say one year six months. So you broke up two years ago? Yes. And after that breakup Yeah. you went through a series of events Yes. Very horrible life event for like four months close to almost six I would say. Six months? Yes. And so I stopped everything including our QT initiative by then because it was still like you know a rising child and I was at the key of making decision in the management. So you withdrew? Yes. So the board withdrew me from everything that I had to really sort my life fast. Na apu na watu wana poteza kazi pe Yes. Yes. And then now I'll come back but there it's very true because I just had an understanding board. Na jua. So all that happens and then I realize that you know I really can't move on without this person. So the fear is sometimes you don't want to get back to the express. So the solution is to talk about it? So the solution is to talk about it. For me that is how it has worked for me and that is the only experience that I have. How do you handle the loss in Mjungaji? Manome? Manaji? Villanasema it's true the solution kwe yongia like he says as he says manome think to na yongia maybe to the wrong person and the wrong place and the wrong timing. So I think because that research villay na na seme kana na kama wana ume wana wake wame kwa kwa depression kuliko wana ume lakini na wana ume wame kufa wengi sana na depression kuliko wana wake. So I think wana ii saluni na sa idea ladies So I don't know kwa wana ume na kinyozi? Wana ume atatukenda waka kinyozi we just talk about sex we talk about villay nili fanya nili kapata evo but we don't know kwa niya machoma by the way we talk kabisa don't know kwa niya wana ume tu naongi anga nivi lewe mu tu researcha rifanya tu saluni lakini what we talk about apokwa niya ma apokwa kinyozi haitu saidi na tu na talk tu ewe wana pandangara iningapi mi na pandangara inisaba ewe mi nisi itai lakini wana tu meonge lele apo wala fi naisha apo lakini wana wake zili mrize zina tu mi zaro atitaguziya ba nimi mi nimi metoka kwa nyumba bibi tu me letesha na ju lakini nisi takuja ni mu ambi ewe ewe ei manze nimi metoka kwa nyumba lakini atu yuko powa kwa wabu ya ni ni? akuna doa akuna corona na wana jua ikazi etunia entertainment ii na itajini ni so na e bibi kwa apu ame takapesa akuna so mi mi nitanyamaziya vili nanyamaziya ni kama uki pandambe uki pandamaindi unafuni kiasin diyo siku muoja itatoka wakati uvo itanyesha sumutana fua fanyu ni inisaba I think mi am not a professional in that amadaktari ama ni ni but I think we need to talk it out yes we need to talk it out because sa zigi na yuwa wife or yuwa spouse aneza kusaku elewa but kama uneza patam kusuri mwenya uneza eleza aneza na siyende kukua ni kapia wana jua sasi wana ume piya tu na kwa na mudo mo wana ume ni was kana wana ume na kwa ime kwa chumbi na kachumbari otega na dania kama uneza pata uneza pata ab good friend mwenya uneza wana ume wana waka wana sumanga a shoulder to lean on we need a shoulder to lean on kata wana ume uta ni anza kuni o kata aneza na yuwa na kwa mpe brus aneza kwa pesa pesa ni sabunia ro pesa wewe pesa ni muzuri nambawana nambawana umeza na kula fea of kwa aste na na kula fea but we need to call them in a meeting not even in a meeting I think sirikali na fea kuweka siri fea uinita kwa pa lafida warana we need to call these ladies kwa meeting na parlementi a polisi especializi le wana ume o na toha we need a conversation wana ume wana ume lakina uana ume I don't know who be reached as I think you spend money you don't have of kus you go to me umwa Hum? Tu maungu bwaivo? Spending money don't know. One thing that makes men to be depressed. Anata kwa fair. Anata kwa pese salung. Anata kwa pese manikyo, pese pedikyo, pese wa toto. Anata kunyo aibro aichoretena. Anata kwa school fees. Anata kwa rents. Anata kwa mangu. Ujoonga saya masaji Saturday. Na wesi wepe ke ako akona kata? Akona harambe, yubadi. Anata kwa umseidi kuli pa pese yarambe. Ywen ni matanga? Sister ke anenda ngambo. Muziau peyo ni ni mbui me ni. Muziau peyo ni ni mbui me ni. Udo. Udo. Men, aata kama to ripiawaiyo dominion na ni nina God, I think wanawa ke piwa na to take for granted. Because ok ni mkutumiya fair. You understand. So, what are you coming to do? Umele wa you are coming to do ni ni na ni na ni. I will be doing it alone. But fair is not... No, na kutumiya fair ukujuk fan. Is that payment? Do na sema, what are you coming to do? Yabilia and relationship. No. Tumafali. Barabara, nabuanga na garimbili. Yakuenda na kuru di. It's a give and take. Waiba kwa ni mataka mi ni tume fair, nabadu ki toka uta ni ambi ni late ni weke uba. But then you just show up. Kama na takafia na kuru di show up. Period. Historiya fair bede tume maliza na now kabisa show up. Kwa yaku uja? Aata amawaira ni amini payu fea ekam. Naka ni mkutumiya oku e depressi mkutumiya mkutumiya mkutumiya na pesa. Na akunza kutumiya veni yun kwa anata ekam. But why should you be depressed? Because you gave it freely. You didn't give it freely? Uli kwa na kutia kufanya ni mi friend, inua area, uli kwa na kutia kufanya. Uli kwa na kutia kusia viyombo. Viyombambili. Uli kwa na kutia kunioja. Sin tradioja hizu? Uli kwa na kutia kufanya ni mi. Una juwa ni ligitoria, ni kafudiza yu 530. Nika kupia utoke kayaole. Ukuja paka kawangware. Na badukuna ndudi. Na agri na mchunga jibede. Na agri na mchunga jibede. Na agri na mchunga jibede. Na agri na mchunga jibede. Na agri na mchunga jibede. Na agri na mchunga jibede. 🤊 Na agri na mchunga kufanya. Pama … Losina-g Music bandjo lda �ora, kusima k activity metalsaku na. Na agri na mchungo nipinga lofe isnawbo. HaВa, nga risa lyson kivo ni f 900 siபе. 10,000 na una kiya tu Una 2 ma 10,000 ujano anuili Men, men, is it depressing? I don't know Do you have men in studio here? Wakoko ju Napa indje inumati No, no, no, no, no, no, no Anakwa na apa chirio, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no Historiniril by the way, Leo Historiniril, bida if you look at the things that you're discussing Atchanana taisu hi and well you want to talk about a lot of English Ni zivi tu dogon dogon Fair Break up You're not talking Anataka I learnt one thing Not in easy weeks or na ke Those things are expensive I had the cost of 50,000 Or even more than 100,000 Ui mulu yawet ui sitika Ui najiwa na vange anga 600,000 kitu ya kuweka tu na ibadu utas Wait Na utaito ha? Na utaito uta lalana 600,000 unan Onana yaw postya You know time when you metru mabisa lafa na kumya Yes, yes Una jwa tension na kuwa na baidu ui kitu mafia Is so different na ilo kipi yanga Condacta pesa no na expect change At least he yaw unizna regulator But he wu kushua kata kawama ta shoa Where can we stop spending money we don't have We are trying to prove a point That we can't prove Actually, tuna is standards Kenisun kwa sa ni wengitu uko. Comedians wana hitwa songas, kwa kwa wengitu wana hitwa kwa kizungu. Singas. Singas. Or you can call them songas. Kwa imbaji komedian. Intertain na yote. Yaa. Wona jyotu mekwa na corona for 2 years. Yes. Sindio? Yes. 2 years ay. Utu bada na taka kuhenda kukwambuwa gadi. Maintain standards. Ani kupelike naivaasha. Maintain standard. Ani na taka niishi nyumbaya 4 bedroom. Ani kutupike angu. Karren. Karren. Taka niishi uko. But iu dweena tuwa. Because umelala, kejon teresa lasini? Akuna, akuna kitu yote niyuna jua teresa lasini, meba kisha skungu api ulipe nyumba. Sikutanu. Kamatano iwe? Sikutanu. Hauna pesa, akuna event, atunenda kupafo, akuna siji nii nii, and then unanzakfanya nii, depression nii nanziap. People in the limelight, comedians, actors. What is the problem? Onatu miya pesa hauna. Siyoni depression. Onatu mafia, na mwenye waata hauji, auzi di lipa fia ya kuhu mwenye wekuenda. Umsi, umse, umse, anelayo zi vitum. But you know what, it's just... No, no, no. Umem gote ya. Exactly. I wish camera get drawn as you showed. Juhu, nilaeth kuwezi camera sizote na tukava. So you feel kuwezi cameras, you are really living a life, right? Akuna tukava. This is just like a video shoot. Mi timaliza hapa, I still live to my standards. Expectations nii waitu 5-4 sayi tukawa live. So na takani maintain mi o expectationia, kuna atu piya, kuna coming waitu 5-4 na kuna do. Kuna doa. Mami basically I'm just in a relationship show, or anything, whatever you want to call it. But what does the figure of standard ya, for example, umkita, any politician here. And so that is the mistake that all comedians make. You go into the limelight and you don't know how to define that life. As per your standards. Yes. And not just at a like, comedians, even young people who are in the professional space, kama sisi. And so sayi, de makini ona, obviously, don't know that I have money. Right, literally. Because I'm live on air. Whom sayi ane nga waitu 5-4? I've been here several times. Ya maki wama Ram. Ramomeva Estuti. Adui? Who do you think is answered? Is the presenter? Yes aaribu kodwa. But those aren't you believing who is right? Asi kusipisai Badi kwa. Na onatu nimezi eka kwa meza na ziangal yangahi And then onata ku maintain your standard Za doni pata 2013 onata ku zi maintain 2021 It's very hard Onaget Then pia day munaanza kwa nai by the way Is it that women don't understand our position? No It's actually men who don't understand their position Women have no problem Sometimes we just need to like Extricate women from all these problems As a man who can understand your position Then you know the kind of woman that you go for Period I don't have a story about women You are a class What you are going to tell me is That I am not a woman What you are going to tell me is That I am going to tell you That I am going to tell you is Gosh Now, Juzi nime panda gari Nime panda gari Nime panda gari I am not gari, but I am going to tell you Karren You understand I have a car Yes But nime ya chakari I will tell you when Nime panda matatu Think you are a Juzi Nime kaka palemeli So see me nile kia nyumbaani kwenye naka Mama munginani Kingi Iwa na Nuliza Hala Hata wewa na panda kwa matatu Saka na Juzi zami ni Uvae Igubanda matatu Nibi na dhamu Uza sata kwa kaka ribugusama Hayya unakunyua nga hata iimaji ya kikombi Uku nyua ngi ya tjupa Kuma okam kibandaski? Kuma po nukulanga icha kuleitu Of course Gentlemen, I want us to take a break Tuta 2 day after ii What we are saying here Acha kuhendia wa tromboksi klasi ako Tafadali, tafadali, tafadali wa naume The hashtag is part of the show The hashtag is part of the show Head over to Twitter and drop in your comments there We shall sample the map after this break Why are men depressed Atu je lewi Meziak says, sii si na tu je lewi Traja kumbe wa naume Olini wa wana matkati wana fortu e lewe Mi sii na tu je lewa kwaanza Mchunga ja nazema apaivi Acha kuhendia kitu ambayo sii o klasi ako Muweza ni nae? Atu nuenda kwa umtuma na nafordu ii gya Six and eight hours Makosa? Na badu na ishi bed seat Ii durai Ii nuenda ambali, korido Ii durai na ishi bed seat We We Why 254 Imagine Ya Alright, thank you so much for being part of this conversation today Wow, it is a pleasure being with you If you really just joining us this is power talk The hashtag is always part of the show on Twitter That's Ramma Google Head over to Facebook and drop in your comments We have posted We have made a post there on Facebook And that's where we are heading to in a bit Remember it's all about understanding men And depression on this particular Thursday morning What are your thoughts in regards to this? Why are men depressed? Is it that we don't understand ourselves? Is it that people don't understand us? Is it the societal pressure? Bами We are depressed We have a maeshuk And we are in a Chungaji And we just don't understand the situation Like Bami Bami we are in Chungaji I know employment is the cost You have a job Can do the best on employment How much is this? Mani and employment is a cause of depression Lar Very big lie What is the depression we going to see? We are 40 20 50 We are almost 50 million Half of us are at work And then we realize mani get depression Really? You say What about the money? yun yawe mi The same same person? Ah. Muna yukuna fea beru wa tumapesa? Tafta mungine kwa ni wuna nambai gine? Tafta nambai gine ya kutumi ya kama wukonayo. Nakama wuna stop sending money, wait for God. He will add out a tumafia, she will come with everything. Ya. The Bible says that Siki fast the kingdom of God and everything muwana wike, bibi, mama shall be added. Isofitu zote. But Siki, we say don't send. So wuna na apondu yutuna pote ya. Badle ya ku Sik, you send 530. So you will be sending, sending every year, every month. Na wuna angushu, wuna angushu wa. Natu na badlisha nambai. Mimina shangatu he. But unemployment is kwa kus. Okay ni, it's a kus of depression. People are heartless out there. I mean unemployment is a kus of depression but different in different aspect, right? Ya. But okay, kwa relationship that is again in a get back to Kamoli Re's standards no kwa unemployed. Ya. I want to talk about about work. Mm hmm. Jamama mi amka subui ma perma. I made a job. I left kufika kufisha nambiwa today is your last day. E na nyumbani. Storia kuna yu kazi nisha. Mm hmm. Depression apu. Amma jamama anajaribu kumaintain jina pa lenge. Mm hmm. Anadangaja watu. Nugma pokpashir halawenze. Na nartoka na bike. Na bike. Anananda kwa msibtu anabaa uniform. Uniform. Nasekiriti. Lakini ame ondo kia kawangwari. Wadana caiu a pofiisi. At least ya ar имna kwa ajaribu na nartoka na bike. Kame vasuti. Konu amgina djua taxi, of kus. Ni gine na style. Because of work wana, how do you handle such kind of a scenario. Umeda kazi, you've lost your job. Kuna jama mo niya ako depress mazi. Uju fanyeni, na kuna bibi na ototo. A matakamuna bibi na ototo, so you share his expectations, like the standards. What may be mean is, nika sema, let us say, let us try to educate the girl child, wacha piya tu nga nga uki jana. To kireizu hawa watua wilki jana na mstiana, wata suma, wapate ma suma mzumbi, wapate kazi, hatakamasi hapa kenya, uvi asha hapa kenya kuna kazi, mingizana nivi lesisi atfanyi. Watu na ona wana wana chukua makodofia, wana chukua apatini, ozinaitu aji, kwa kisuei. Avakadu. Ya no meto ni? Makodofia. Makodofia di kiburania. Wana chukui ovakadu wana pelika inje, watu ingina wana lima nyasi, watu ingina wana lima nga nga nga, watu ingina wana lima matunda, ineitu a matunda sukari, ii amaji, watermelon. Yes, so wezi sema kuna kazi, lakini tizi, kazi kutuki, inuahu yuki jana, natunuahu yuki mstiana. Atasiku iile mimi nita poteza kazi, kama wana umi, bibi angwa na uza matunda soko ni. So, fita kwa na iile space ya, sasa depression ni mi pata mu toto, ii kwa private school, situi ni, because bibi akopali, hatani shikili, na mimi sasa sii atini, kwa nga kwa nyumba, sii umeni futa, nita taftaki twingini. But utapata kuna jamaa, amewutu kazi a lafa fiken yumba, ini wana jotu bibi angu, yes, akuna kelele, iile ambayo, wana jotu lini poteza kazi, utalala wapi. Because bibi akopali umemfa niya kwa housewife. Ii omambo ya housewife sa hii tuwa jani na haiku. Wana umi, tumali ziye na iera. Bada nukweli. Housewife, pakasangat, mimi na muka vifu, woma lala mpa katen, ati wewe, wana waki wana, mapenzi. Mapenzi asangat. Waka wana kwa mapenzi. Mapenzi, mapenzi, mapenzi. Dili kwa mia bara bara ii konan jangat. Kuna bara bara ya kwenana na hufanya ni. Wana hii etu ni mimi tu, na wuna juevi lezei say, deyamani pesayao. Hii etu ni pesayao. So, wacha tumali ziye imambu ya housewife na hii era etu. Hii apasa kwa iifu adifulotu ko. Wacha tuwe etu, wacha tuwambi ima toto youkan, sayi na me maliza fomfo, wuna mudiza, you can't do even business. Meza mina, you said, karimu utoke kwa aweki utu initiative. Imagine jubzako zote, zisha to all at once, na nilono metoka wa iti fafon na mawa. Ya, exakti. Utaweka kichu wako api? Nitambia watu ni mi. Nitambia serikali ni mi. But I think itumala, I mean sorry, tumisha na sema is very important. Izi bitu zote, to empower the boy child on how we handle some of these life events. Kamu kiputaza job and already be share his expectation na life. Kwa kuna ili nyu mba rent, kuna gitu mi retyamu ni hii amout. Nasa isi mwa kwa ama? Kwa triki sana, sometimes kwa accept you situation. Na apu ndu acceptansi na kujanga, I have to go back to square one, nia zetena. So are you able to admit na taku na square one? Because we are able to admit na taku na square one? Because we are able to admit na tatafta an alternative which will be legal. So lab desa utanzakweba. Uta sumboa. Uta sumboa kijiji sana. You know that's how people become thieves. Yes, of course. Anaza tukweba. Yes, of course. Anasa tukweba. Yes, of course. Anasa tukweba. As me ndmon eka maikiruna paida na t institutional neto. So wow, mimi ko di hako kib increaseduter. Hieras wal ppi mini OKi My money is amag Maori. is our money. Yes. No. Your money is yours. No. My money is my money. Yes. Your money is our money. Your money is your money. Your money is their money. mhina ta shida, ekifika batia kulipa bills. Misha, kulipa bills. Apu… apu nakon gobe potea, Sanha! Unapu ulipe maji, steama, iziyu takataka rent... Taza apundu… apu… hbede a... nero bitu na lipeadi takataka. Nekweast. risuhahumeraima Datemi wwhat happen is pitya nga y关 Ule기를 bayi it debate Ay Taka w there i win it our family it young Alif Nisha That is what the bible set bHi but to kiki y Zealand To y Link Baliра e na duwa mega hwa Twelve nihi w跑 uwa na kwa ne hiwa. nihi nihi nihi nihi nihi lini na kutana kwa yu miku tona yao my money is my money his money is our money so mi na fanya ifi sii me pata pese hangu ut nampele kia pala kwa mesa namambia this is the money we old someone on me this is the money to nagao ram do yo do because najiwa obvious najiwa ipesa ita tohisha sasa ujandzi hangu ni ipesa iezi tohisha na niki sema ni e ke kwa mvuko nita pahanda mulima ita kwa shida kwa ee nita kwa soki tumzuri ni mi naji mi me pata elfu mi ambili mi me pata elfu mi me pata 50 man thousand bebe do yo hi ipesa ni nga bata mi si na shida so nita tohatua po kama ni ka 10,000 hi yu nga yot mi najiwa mabia suta shuguli so in other isi maneno people should sit down yes there is no way the Bible tells us that you will leave your mother and your father mu chunga you will come together and you will become one mu chunga bale mi kibika kwa pesa kibika kwa pesa wei wuna kwa wukuna then wuna kwa sema Bible say na kwa sema anyone who will try to put you asanda no one no one asanda so pass asanda put you together asanda is think it busy nekatarian so kwa mwadja wunguna mtu na fahat kuja katikasa wei wei wuna kwa wuna wuna anda kwa sema oh my god the Bible say it's it na nisi Bible ni mu you have become one mu wuna kibika kwa mezea pesa tunanda kuweka lai ni atisa wei utadi pa skulfi wei utadi pa nyumba yangu ni asaluntu na inu na patao tu wanaume depression ina manisha ina manisha billi mekam katikati enu so mu nasiparete right atakama na sema nga till death do us a part mani kandu you part apu kuwa till death do us a part apu na ina fatu wunga liye apu tu na fatu badisha apu ma pastu tu wuna kitu eni tu deze mezea eka apu apu na because you up up death do us a part wange eka mamba eka pesa and our mani all of our mani will be our mani now um imambu ea familiar kwanza before atu usemeyu story story eka till death do us a part a part right amin apu na sezingi na tu na potelele jukama i relationship mi kwa hard by the way na mi na takakutoka but kwa church ni lisiasema till death do us a part na what you do what you do obviously kuna iso processesote do kwa chana but nilisha make earth kuna atu kama si situki make earth sa zingin it in a to hunt you have to keep it yes wuna get na na na na so your phrase yes na na na na na na na na na na na na na jinyonga you see you see people in the news jama amno bibi ake amno wawatotu aka juwa I think uyo waku jinyonga me I don't believe in it but I think wuna jinyonga uske tu uchungu epeke ako tu um epeve kuski uchungu epeke ako nungu there is something behind it ati ni jinyonga mani uchungu ni acheonga ni acheonga see depression brother I think there is something behind mutu tu aende kuna mutu apa iaia center I think ni plaza flani apu the guy was being paid well but ati end aka panda tu aka nga kachin so untak sumo in depression a na lipo vizuri ako na musha ramzuri a li panda tu ju chap aka kufa see depression depression depressi tu mesama depression na leto na pesa na wea na pata musha ramzuri no kuna weo mutu aliza mesama zi ju job zi wea na pata musha ramzuri karibu two hundred three hundred a na juwa ya ni there is something na knafa katu juwe kwanza hi zi ni sikuza musho let me give another example wewe ukuna yua yua woman bana we are talking as men we are talking as men and this is something men go through na nga nga nga nyamaza na na na piti ya men are depression they say when you marry someone you marry you don't just marry them you get married into their family of course you marry their people yes him zigo a mbaewan nume wa na ekewa number one wewe now that wewe ume pata ume yako e familia mamlaka ama kazi ama the responsibility a kulipi a kuskul fisi ya wate bomam zima yako matanga zote lasima wewe kwa kwa kumiti maharusi zote wewe ni kumiti nabaru no kumbuka hauja li padawari tuanzi na isu kwanza ya kulipi padawari hehehehe hauja li padawari apon yoshi de na hanzi bahari hauja feleka bada kuduku na na ukuredu mesha ingi ya kufan mesha ingi ya kufan by paying school fees school fees yu nili mara ondugu ya nwa kuna hii tenetum sa idee maras yu nataka kusafiri kuna kusadiya misi goiote ya familia extended family ime weko kwanani maanaume but that's yu inafeku ya katasi from the man it shouldn't be a responsibility it is but it is right now you will mock you exactly wewe ni monome na gani hauji kulinda mstana wetu but ni meshina mstana wenyu me misi ishi na kijiji mzima ono pata so I'll just help when I need to help when I have the capability of sa idea but kama kama siyezi I need you to understand me eh ono na but you can't provide for everybody around yu nama ni kumbu asama even I will take you back genyemungu ali sem wakatimu na shikanishwa tu li ambiwa ume achama mayaku na baba yaku nivi li I think bibi li ya ingi ya eza kwa andika paka nandugu za kona kazinsi za kona na odoote lakini kisema baba ime ime kama ime kava baba na mama na wakatu you will become one kama ni mambo na kulipa skulfi I don't think ni kwa na yantalipa nosi ya tiku ni lazima kitu ingine wakati ni meguja ii kitu ya kulipa mahare na jua sa zingine sisi wa zazi wetu na mi na sema kama mungus kumonja tahi ni pe mstana I will give her for free oh yes for free for free I will fita li pisha mahare my son will wait for your daughter yes why because when you do ii o mambo ya kuna watua na itishanga 600,000 kuna watua na itishanga 1 million alaf kuna 2 ware wana itishanga nga miya una jua nga miya moja iis 40,000 1 nga miya ni 40,000 sa ii siju me panda sa abiya corona siju kai me panda but ni liya chekiyo 40,000 nga umbe kwa e nga miya moja nga umbe ii buti ii jua nga miya sija nga miya moja iis 40,000 jua nga miya ni expensive ii wo very expensive ju zina sana ii kwa desat yes of course nga inakuniwa maji once in a while ii kwa paka na dang so ni li kwa na takakusema ii wakati ni mekuja kwa kwa and then wazewa mekuja yes i have money I'll pay but do you know what is in my mind that ok me sama 600,000 muka wongesia siju wana sama nga kifuniko ya kufumu asoda 100,000 alaf muna kuja muna mfunika una jua ii okitu ya kufunika alaf muna kusia ati muna kuna pesa ya kumutu ya kumutu niki kusia muna nipiga final how can you do it 50,000? wana jua wengide kuna kuna ii le pesa mba ii ro ratio u kisha tu kapa le kwa kwa wanja kwa zama anti wana jua kuna ii le kuna ii le barabara wana fuata asa wana kutana mtu one by one wana fungu amu lana kuna ii na tamja sema siku ya rusi wana fungu wanga kwa nyumba kwa nga ati mutafu teki fungu ei ati mutafu teki fungu bega mii wana zaka apu kwa nyumba so umelipa ii o pesa yote and then u kipige sama wana kutana umelipa umes chana umelipia mahari na shilingi mii amoja moja elf mii anani kosh so pwa kitu ya kuna sema then u ii ni kama ni menu ii kamera ni kama mii menu ii on you then u kiku ya kwa nyumba yangu wama kwa nyumba yu ule manu ume anaku chapa kama andarama I bought you with my money so kama ii neza kwa amzuri ii kitu ya ro ratio ase metu kuja appreciate mom and dad kwa kukuzali ames chana mrembo kuku sumeshi amu toto just give us anything you want but muki eka ii kwa ni kama we are selling ngombe ngombe wuki sumeshi gongama raya yote unataka I bought you with my money because that's why unona wana wakia wana pigwa wana katwa mi kono mutu alili piya and I think Ram the next conversation of wukuna wakwa shoni about dowary payment because totally there is like to understand what is it all about is it selling right is it appreciating aikuji I don't know wakati nili yanda meru mi nimewa meru wakati nili yanda meru wali yanda waka ungea uleko leka marimel of course lakini wakati nili yanda wali ni ambi ehi hindi oto nataka but what do you have or you negotiate it of course hindi o mustyana wei tutunona tumem sumeshiya ame kuwa mustyana amzuri natabi amzuri inafa ii kwa ii vo inafa ii kwa ii vo wana kujwa na kwa mbe this is waze wa nandua kule then waze wa na kujwa kwa ambi ehi so muki ambi waze muna wambi ehi this is what we want ni ni tuambi ehi ni mukonani ni waze wana kujwa kwa kijana wana urize kijana what do you have kijana na waze wami ni konami ehi moja amusini sii yondi o tochikuwa tutu pelike because asa kama muna takami ehi atatuna ni kona 150 so ni sii nama nisha sii tachikuwa mustyana namuneza end up kukosa mustyana namukosa ehi 150 why mustyana sii anani penda mi na wambi ehi sa tukutana Nairobi sii na 300 sii atakujwa kwa? hodapata kuna jama moja mechikuwa mustyana na na deni of kus omaka na mustyana lakini opiwa kuchuwa mustyana na deni iikona shida ezake bomo aneza kakule tambio iikona shida ezake iikona shida ezake just negotiate just negotiate malizana wambi ehi niya na mahari ishangi that's why na kwa ambia give something then uta pehanat sii ni kukuja kwa kina bibi na kujana shopping yes ni mahari nien mahari ni mepita tumeru mepita meru na ni mengiwa kwa nyuwa na nenepeana skari yes ni mahari na uewe vene ebu ii ii ii historiako e yu nara mo me concentrate lakini na takaku e lohi bane na visu ehi ehi a ulele meru kapa lakini mahari and ii lo de meru kuna kuna vene kwa is this personal? lemmi lemmi toli lemmi toli ii historiako e adari ii isha evo abanasin anase mani continuous na panga kuru di it's a continuous thing niki tembea na ru di na mamu ni iiki tuki tuki atasimu niki kutumiya kitu kwa siibu I'm paying the dowari yes so kitu yo uti ambani me tumia familiar bibiandu yo ni dowarin talipa until day the doers apart naata atatuki kufa I will still pay u nelae wa wa ehi eifai kwa iile kitu weraf show next ni story adawari I'll be watching dowari unasitia tsu napa kwa wanda standa de story adawari visuri saama wapu wuze ama watui ama itole tu kabisa inapa jadu sresa punji of kus marriage is a partnership we come together kunaskiya istori aku asu matiyem standa wamunya wamesu masanas now we need to appreciate what about there is benu na jota dowari dowari ngoza there is a country dowari ni source of depression of kus zuka manapendo u dem nasi na dowari and the community is demanding the family is demanding utapa na umabaram standa kutokasi yu karein na u kukayole apa utapa na ato yu karein nimzuri na yu kuna kutokasi awo na umabaram kuna masana wana wana kusahide kulipa of kus kunawali wazuri yu kutawali wana ndanga wana nambia mama my husband Hana namusipite hapa I want us to finish this conversation it's all about men and depression nataka wupate mawaida wala mawa na kuwa chapa iti mchungaji wukuna supporta saapa mafans wanya nataka kuna wana naka kusya wana umbenini kusili depression you know Meshak you have those who are you know supporting their work youth initiative so I'm giving you both of you 30 seconds to have a final word to talk to the camera tuwanze na nani nanani ron tuwanze na tuwanze na nani alright let's start with mchungaji mchungaji sawa saan to mi kitune zambia maybe watu wa kuwa po inje sana sana wasani wacha I think it was she kwa hile leveli eto tu ume anza kuhimba ume anza kupiga apa song ume nekana KBC Y2Y4 badu wujofika so stay badu kula mi zizi kana watu wa mi imba uliza mutua li anza aji enreya mutua inja na imba kama ni comedian kuja tu liza tu li anza aji tu li anza tu kitambia we used to work from kawanguare to carnivo langata so tu kuwanza tu iwi ma ramoja so you have to start somewhere kitu ingine hi yambayu ita kuwa ni ya kuwanza sasi ui ni mesema hi ni apili ya kuwanza mungu put God first in everything you do put God first because because yeyye du ame beba kila kitu yes wei jak final word takatuka kuwanza kitu chunga jem misema hi ni for me ni just from my own experience express yourself if you feel you are stressed because I think depression is just a whole bag of stress and have what you wanna trust the people that you can express yourself too and then pray and pray and pray we are living in a very unpredictable world in which we depression is atokawa it's true alright then we will go to the end of this conversation there is a quote here by Frank Pittman and he says that the most likely cause of a man's depression is his failure to be the man he thinks he should be that is true think about that that is of business to the end of this conversation tonight a repeat of this show comes again tonight at 10pm so be sure to tune in to Y254 and catch the repeat of this also follow us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram Y254 channel so you can find us at Ram Aguko and the hashtag is power talk show my name is Ram Aguko as always it has been a pleasure thank you so much Mchugaji karimbu san asana sana meshak karimbu and Nashukura and I wish you the best with your oh yes with your important other thank you so much in my wife Vicky in Vicky in my fans ok ok ok asana sana guys I appreciate you so much keep it Y254 as always may God bless you and may God bless the work of your 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