 It was a slaughterhouse, it was a s**t hole. It was absolutely disgusting. There's filth and state of the place. Go down there for a day, and you would just another piece of meat. I could tell you things, because I worked at a meat market for 40 years, and you should go to the slaughterhouse twice a week. It's supposed to be you, you know, boom, that's it, boom, that's it. Yeah. It's not like that, ain't it? Nah, I know. One down there, a mad arid, they used to call him. This is straddled sheep, heads facing that way. Yeah. Put it on his chisel, I suppose. Put it on his nut and go, boss, you're dead. And I said to the governor down there, do that again, and I'll put that chisel in your s**t head. I'll tell you that. How long ago was this? About 35 years. Not much has changed. Like, we do current investigations, we leave cameras in. See, there's money. Yeah. We've taken kill 100 sheep for 50 quid. I do it. And they say that it's all this welfare and this and that, but they only do stuff that makes it more efficient. Bull s**t. Do you know what a vegan is? Have you heard of it? Of course I do, yeah. Yeah, like they don't need any animal products, like eggs and milk and honey and... Yeah, that's good. Yeah, I've been up for 10 years. I've lived with it. You could? You could? Because I've said to the wife lots of times, and I flow, I'm not a lover of meat. No. And you're a hater of animal cruelty, too. Yeah, I love animals. Exactly, and a lot of things happen behind closed doors, and what happens is people go on the supermarket, they buy it and they've got no idea. I'll tell you things, I'll see you down that place. Yeah. Used to make me feel sick, I'd say, come over tonight, I've got to sleep. I've got to eat my dinner, she's giving me lamb chops, and I'll just see the way they was killing sheep down there. Exactly. You made the connection, that's what it's called. Yeah. Where along the line did you lose that connection? Because what can happen is you see something like that. Well, I left the job, fell back in the old line, going up to pub having a drink and corned beef sandwich and all that business. Disconnected, didn't it? Yeah. That's how good people that care about animals can do. Are you a vegan? Yeah, for 10 years. I'll say, if you wasn't, go down there for a day, and you would trust another piece of meat. Well, I walk into these factory farms with cameras, and you see the pigs dying on the floor next to their mums in the cage. That's what I'm telling you, that's what they've done. Club out, mate. It was a chisel, but it was about that long. One of these homemade, self-made things. Put it on the animals' nut and go, boss, only got to go in an inch. Well, let me ask you this. Is it the brutal nature of the killing of animals that you would have an issue with, or do you think it's okay just to kill them anyway? Well, I do disagree that killing animals altogether anyway. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Short and killer, there's no need to kill them. Because, you know, we don't need to eat meat in that. We can have our proteins on the farms. No, you've got all the vegetables, all the fruits. Beans and legumes and everything else, yeah. What I need to live on, me and my wife, I could grow on my garden. Especially potatoes and that. But I did a few years ago. Yeah, yeah. But I'd operate on my back and my neck and everything else. That's why I've got this thing. From the shop, you can go to your local Tesco. You can get everything you need to do. Oh, yeah, but I didn't go back on meat because of this. Yeah. I did like a bit of meat. Same here. But a lot of times, when I went down that, I'd go down here, Wenzes, and she wouldn't cook meat, Wenzes, because she knew I'd come home. And she was cooking a couple of steaks. They'd go in a bin because... Smells like a slaughterhouse and blood and flesh, and it kind of smells like an animal, like... Of course, the steak down here was filth. Yeah. Filth. If they put the sheep in there for a month on their own, they'd die anyway, because it was just filth. There was blood and guts, and you name it, all over the place. Do you think anything has changed? Well, I was going down there for about eight years. Yeah. And nothing changed in eight years. It gradually got worse. About once a month, one of them would get the old pipe out, get one of the lads, 18-year-old idiot, I had power rows, and... Squared all the intros down there. Yeah, and they'd write dokes. That was about the best job they could get because they're complete idiots, they was. Yeah, that's often what happens, like slaughterhouses will employ people who have not as many opportunities. That's right. And then the general public might point the finger at the person in the slaughterhouse, but they are actually causing that chain to happen through their choices. They're giving them the ammunition, a loaded gun up. Yeah, they're only doing it because people want meat, but they don't want to see the cruelty and the killing and they want to care about animals, but at the same time, they want a steak. You can't have both. I don't eat a lot of meat. It's easy to get it out there, no? I like vegetables, and I love vegetables. I need to because I've had heart surgery and... Yeah, that's another point. It's an interesting thing about meat, it raises your blood cholesterol and can clog your arteries. Yeah, and the fat around your heart, it's no good for you at all. It's almost like the animals get there of revenge beyond the grave, in a way. That's right, get your own back. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Down there, when these had the humane pump gun, it'd always gone wrong. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was a slaughterhouse, it was a s**t hole. And the animals have to go through that. Yeah, it's all... What's he doing this matter here? He's shooting, do you don't want him to come? You haven't took my permission, has he? Do you don't want to? No, we don't know. Don't want to be in the acne because that next week... No, no, no. Don't bother me, no, I'm joking with you. Oh, you're all right, buddy. Here you go, I'll show you this one, all right? If you look at this, this was made about six years ago, so it's pretty up to date. Land of open glory. UK, this documentary here? I've seen it first-hand. I've stood there while talking to a bloke about football, hours and hours and all doing, and he's banging shizzles in their nuts. So you know. So you don't need any convincing... Any further convincing. They're bossing on the floor, and he's a young kid there, 16, as thick as that tree. Yeah. He's grabbing them by the back of their legs and dragging them over there. Yeah. And they throw them in the heap on the corner. They're not dead now, they're bleeding to death. They will be in five minutes. They'll go all over the place. Yeah. And every 10 minutes, he says, doing you, get that hose on them. And he put the hose on them and washed all the blood down and all that, it was absolutely disgusting, the filth and state of the place. Yeah. Disgusting it was. You sound, to me, like you should... My wife over there. Yeah, you're right, it was great talking to you, mate. Yeah. Appreciate it, mate. You should look into being a vegan. No meat, no blood, no slaughterhouses. Yeah, I know. Keep you strong. You've covered it. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, totally the same. Peace, brother. Thank you. See you, mate. I personally thought that he was very interesting because he was a hard man. He was a tough dude, but he had a heart and what he saw really affected him to the point that he stopped eating meat. But then he got disconnected again and just saw meat as meat again. But now, after speaking to him, it sort of brought it back up to the surface. You know, you can't get a more authentic, genuine bloke who just genuinely was affected. He's got enough in the game by saying what he said. He'd have seen something, experienced something that made him have a genuine emotional, empathic response and he stopped eating meat. But maybe we brought that back out of him and he got to be an old-time vegan.