 Happy holidays, everyone. Hello. Call to order and hold call. So I'll call the meeting to order at 9.04 a.m. Who wants to do roll call? You want? All right. Tom DeVie? Yeah. Gene Christopher? Yeah. My name's Ortman. Here. Lauren Sealy? Here. Selie. Right? Selie. Selie. Selie. I always do that. Kendra Daniels? I'm just going to name them. I thought you were naming us. I will. That makes sense. We are here. I see you for the recording. Harold, Dominguez, Kendra Daniels, Malio, Alisa Gallanart, and Kevin. All right. Thank you so much. Item number two. Group all the minutes from the November 15, 2022 meeting. Do I have a motion? Well, I sort of ran through them really fast. I didn't see anything major. So I don't think there was. I'll second. I would like to actually have a minor change to it. Oh. Oh. Well, I think it just wasn't for aid. I think if we just have a little clarification that we talk about the rent increases for residents. So it's first on that quote we're crossing will increase 7.2%. The lodge will increase 7.49%. Residents of both properties will be receiving communication saving changes. And they will have a commentary where they can reach out to representative directly. I think we might just want to say that it's a high increase and not actually a decrease directly to the residents. Yeah. Because that may have changed actually because they brought it down. Well, I guess for the minutes. Yeah. Yeah. I think it was just going to be clear. Okay. Any other changes? All right. So let's vote. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. That's unanimously. Let's go on to number three public. You better to be heard. Anybody from the public? Okay. All right. Let's go on to item four organizational updates. A, advisory board and member selection update. This is just a quick statement. Just the interviews that happened, which with Arlene and Jean and staff support occurred. We made recommendations to the board of commissioners and then they held interviews for all applicants on Saturday. And then the appointments are set for the 20th. And I'm waiting to hear back from Michelle at what point the, they select to people get notified or if it's happens. Yeah. So that's all there. I was hoping to have a little more detail, but I'll have to just go back and have anything. All right. 205 development and project updates. Okay. So we've got a lot of moving pieces going on. So village place. We held a resident meeting last Monday to give an update on what's next. The schedule is still on as it was as of last March when we pushed the construction to 2024. So we chatted about the survey that we put out to residents asking for their priorities of what they would like to see in the building and then those were due Friday. They didn't collect. Yes. So we summarizing those and then just on last Thursday, the request for proposals period closes for architects. So we have interviews set up. We got five proposals. We're interviewing three between Friday and next Tuesday. What are you going to be interviewing almost to us. ALMS to us. Are you in the kind of silence? I'm in the kind of silence. Okay. Well, we had five applications, five proposals. You can tell them later. Yeah. We just double check on that because we're ranking process and process. Yeah. Thank you. So we should have a selection next week and then work on contracting in January and send that contract to the board in January as well. Generally, we asked for we're ranking based on experience with senior properties, experience with life type recent indications, you know, overall qualifications and experience with tenant in place we have. So it cost us one factor. So that is moving right along. We are speaking with the existing investor here WNC. We're working on their wishing to exit. And so we're going to go ahead and exit them early in 2023 and not do it all at the same time in November when we're going to do a new deal as well. So we're getting that sorted. We're coming at the end of the month to come walk through to walk through. And then we are doing funding applications trying to get as much funding together as possible. So you will probably see, I'll be putting out a request to neighboring communities just seeing if they already have ideas for their PAV. I know it's 2023 and often people put it out for competitive. They don't know for several months, but we know that we'll need more PAV. So we're going to see a different community. So we spoke with DOH about that. And first of all, we need to wait until we have a conceptual design and ready for our tax credits in middle and March because they basically told us, I mean, they just don't see preservation and recidivation as very transformational. And I said, well, this is the topic that I know. We've already started our marketing efforts on why that still makes sense. I wanted to put in in the very first round, which was a notice of intent to apply December 10th, apply by January 1st. When we coordinated with them, they recommended that we wait until we have everything that we're going to put in with tax credit in March. But they also, I made the case and I said, this is the absolute poster child example project for why preservation is necessary. What happens when you, there was a rehab here, but it was nothing on the interiors. It was just critical systems. And so when you don't do a rehab for 30 some years, I mean, this is the exact reason why preservation is so critical. So I'm still planning on growing in, but we don't know how successful it will be. Oh, this is good. 1990. It hasn't had an interior update since. So we're going to try. So then we're seeking another investor. Yes. Yes. So it's rolling right along. We are still on schedule. All of the architects proposals are matched up with our schedule as well. So it's looking pretty good there. And we have a market analysis happening for the CPWD building. The CPWD is interested in purchasing it. So we'll get that information and then start talks with them because we've already separated that from the deal. So lots going on. Yes. Okay. I see what you've got here. So Zinnia, this is the permanent supportive housing over by the suites. We're, they're doing gap funding. It's not a huge amount, but there is gap funding that they're looking for. And we've coordinated what the city can participate in on that. And the closing is set for about May at this point in construction right after. They're in, they're in the thick of entitlements and getting everything figured out there for final details of cycling like that sort of thing. We were shooting to have the transfer of the property happen by the end of December. In reading the option agreement, the possibility is December 31st was really the deadline for the site plan review. So we're giving it an extra month or two to sort out exactly how the I'm sorry, I'm blanking from where we were with that, but I will get you an update. Anyway, we're still training on transferring the, oh, environmental. We have to do the environmental review before the transfer can occur. So we're going to get that to Ankara for DOH. And then do the transfer of the property in its own transaction ahead of the main closing. Everything else is moving there though. We haven't heard about any new cost escalations on later cost estimates. So everything else is just plugging along for May. Lots of work going on at the Hoverland as well. So this is the land that LHDC owns. We put out, we completed the process getting developer proposals for that. We went ahead and selected developers, Penrose. And we're moving forward we're gathering a bunch of information for them through this year. And then we're going to kick off in full force next year with a goal to apply for tax credits in August. As a first round it might take more than, well, unless we go for it. We'll see. We're still sorting out. We go non-competitive or then try for February 23, 9%. We're tailoring that now. In the meantime, we're talking with our city divisions to talk about what kind of opportunities we might be able to do on the ground floor there regarding, you know, community service type things that could benefit this family hub of a building. So we're going to, we still have an approach to the Stewart family, but that is what we're attempting to do is go that route. And then, I mean, where you haven't sorted all of this, but the Stewart family, we're able to include some of these community services that a lot of that is the Stewart family's main, you know, priority as well. So we'll see what opportunities might be there. Okay. And then finally, Recovery Cafe. So we have, we're working with Recovery Cafe to do an add-on at this week's. And it is certainly not the easy route, but if we can make it work, the benefits would be so great. So we're really doing everything we can to make it work. We, you know, the investors all have to approve and we haven't, I mean, primarily they seem favorable, but they always say, but we have to go through the attorney process, etc. And so they just closed on our request for proposals for architecture services as well last week and interviewed several firms on the ninth and they're making a selection now and then the first phase of that will be the feasibility study to make sure that this really is possible to build here and we built in our exit ramp. So if it's not feasible, that can still be covered by this CBG COVID grant. That's still an eligible thing. And if we have to pivot, then they're keeping an eye out for properties to purchase just to have a plan be updated. So we're still moving forward. It's working out and we'll have a lot more information about exactly what's possible. It's a six week deliverable on that study so it should be around the beginning of February. What's going to be the funding source for the operations of the recovery cafe? That's a new thing. Recovery cafe, it's a non-profit. Oh, okay. So we would just offer them a space. Yeah, we're just going to do a hook, product, dollar, ground lease. That's okay. And then we just provide the services to the residents. Yeah, and others in the community as well. Yeah, yeah, right. So we've gone around and around on that one. I think the attorneys thought it would be easier if we didn't do the ground lease, but we did full contracting to build it and there's way too much risk for us on that side. Especially it's really more on the city side because there's costs going around. We don't frankly have the staff to manage another construction project and I just think the ground lease is cleaner. And so we're just going to go that route. So we're meeting with recovery cafe and it's Tuesday to go over all those details. So they'll fill it out. So we will grant the funds. We will support, you know, for just traditionally, you know, how we do for other grantees. We're helping them meet all the requirements, but they will have, they will be the owner of the architecture contract. I think they're eligible to apply for the other transformational homeless grants. And they also have been thinking about trying to use opioid money. I don't know what their plan is for that but obviously that's a topic. I don't know, we need to, that's what we're meeting on Tuesday to talk about all of it. That's not, because we have the first round of opioids. I think we're voting on that this afternoon. Oh, okay. So this is through the city? Or is it at our inventory to see? No, it's just the collaborative opioid dollars. Because I don't have that for you. Okay. So no, I mean they keep going the next year. Yeah. That's because we'll have a real cost estimate. Yep. Has there been anything done about the veterans place? Or is that just still kind of where on hold? Up here on Main Street? Yeah. So they're interested in it. I think it's a timing equation for us. So we would need to we need to get further down the road on Zinnia. Because it's who's in the, I mean so I talked to Mark and we need to get together with Mark and his group to start talking through that process. But it's really the residents that we have in it and how all of that's going to work and transitioning them if they're interested in buying it. So, oh, so we're not just talking office space. We're talking the units as well and all of it. Yeah. Because, I mean it's we're all dealing with similar populations and so that may make sense for our county. I mean it's only units or everything. So we have 10 units and so it's not a lot. And if we can get a cash infusion to support the broader housing authority mission but yet they're still housing people that we would house anyway then I think it makes sense but they're still focused on getting that built out there so that's part of the issue too is they want to get further along and get that operational. I will mention that the city's sustainability teams are looking for a smaller apartment complex or multiplex to do they have energy efficiency money that they need to spend and we propose Ryderwood also because Adam our the HCI's CDBG specialist this is in our wheelhouse doing rehabs for this type of thing so we can help them because they have to income qualify and they're going to find contractors who are like we have all that so we're working with them to see if Ryderwood can be their test case. Who's that? Susan. Yeah. Yeah. Is there any other questions? That was kind of a good question. We'll recover that maybe it's on standalone building or we'll be an add-on to this week's It has to be an add-on it's going to be kind of like a breezeway. But it has to officially touch the suites to be eligible for CDBG. Definitely. I wish they would take it. Yeah. That's a good question. Yeah. All right. Let's go on to number six items for input to the LHA Board of Commissioners. Okay. So we're planning on taking Zinnia's property tax exemption policy to the board on January 31st. But that's so that's just a a heads up that that would be coming but really we've had a couple of developments happen where we've had the owner of Copper Peak Apartments approach us because when they were first getting built several years ago the prior LHA Board denied them a property tax partnership because their units were they have 12% units under 50% AMI and the rest are all 60. And the requirement at the time was 100% and it's under 50%. So they didn't do it then and then now they are reaching out to see if we would consider it after the fact because I think there's a new board and we have a revised policy. So our policy as we wrote it and adopted back in February of this year does not, it's not built for anything but new development because it's really accepting the fees at closing and you can edit the number of years of the compliance period like we did four years for Christmas because that's how long we're in 15 years typically for any other project. So when we were considering this the policy as we have it which I've printed copies in case anybody wants to reference with them going over here. So I'll hand these out. Here's the policy and this is the template calculator but with Christmas filled in just so you can see it's really easier to see with the project filled in. We, the max threshold that we have written in is 20% of your units at least 20% of your units at 50% AMI or below. And so this project would not, the cover peak does not fit in. They are above the threshold as it's written. So they are making the case that we had to have 60% designated units for our financing at the time but 40% of our units serve HCV tenants much less than 50% AMI so they're asking the housing authority to partner based on the population needs served. We've been researching I mean, so why would we consider this? I want clarification. When you're saying 60% of their units, total units or 60% of the units that go to. So they have 12% of their units designated for 50% AMI or below and the remainder is for 60% AMI. Is it 100% affordable though? Yes. It's 100% affordable but that's their unit mixes. So one of the things that came up in our joint retreat with the board slash council is really getting more people to take vouchers. And so one of the things I was thinking about is you know putting a threshold a minimum threshold with the number of doctor holders that they are willing to accept and so setting you know you have to meet or exceed the number of affordable units based on our affordable housing policy which they would do and then throwing a caveat that you need to take at least 35% of your residence unit except about or among our housing or we got to figure out the language on this. The voucher holders of which the majority of voucher holders come among our housing authority are some version of that. So it'll be interesting because you can't deny about your folder necessarily but there's just some landlords that just try to avoid it as much as possible. So we can't deny the units. Yeah. Right. So the question for this group as I plan for what I'm going to present to the board January 31st maybe it's just Zinnia under our current one or do we want to think about our policy and how it's structured do we want to add in something regarding voucher holders so they would not qualify their unit mix would not qualify them currently but he's asking for it basically but would you consider the fact that 40% of our households are earning less than 50% hand on vouchers and this is not for closing this is part way through they're just there. The other thing that since this is a legislative action I would like to put in some requirements to be in the crime-free multi-family housing I would also like to have requirements about you know actually enforcing the crime-free multi-family housing needs just because I know that puts in particular issues so because it's a legislative action I would like to put in really robust requirements in terms of managing the properties that way if they don't do it then we can miss their exception and that's how many other aspects are there. So you are we should be looking at some revisions for January is what I'm hearing if they if they want to recommend that they do it I would say we load on some other revisions on this to really help us manage other issues So this partnership policy only really contemplates a fee from LH to LHA Right. So I know where you're going I think shot a the second piece of this agenda is that. Yes. So the other several things we're considering allowing this PACS exemption partnership for existing properties not just new bills adding on requirements or considering HCV or maybe actual tenant AMI one of the two and then adding on like crime free and any other things we think of the second major piece that our policy doesn't have that many other example policies do have is a right of first refusal for such a right for both right. So we have run that question to our attorney just what would it look like and what anyway the is just if we're going to be putting in giving you this benefit at the end of your compliance period if you're not going to stay affordable then we should have a right of first refusal to keep the units affordable. So we don't have that in our policy currently and I I think that when we are contemplating this early in the year when Kathy was developing this in 2021 we were really thinking our partnership agents is what we were really thinking right off the bat and now it's really mushrooming a little bit to more than just that it is a revenue source the fee is a revenue source for us at one time and then and we have an application fee that's supposed to cover our our costs to implement the partnership which really if it's at closing it's taken care of but if it's not at closing if it's in the middle of a property like this then we would have attorney fees because we have to be a special limited partner on their ownership so we make sure then they're not in this. Yep so we'll have to do all of those things that's what Copper Peak would have to do all of that it's not just that give us money and here you go here's your exemption form so there would so that's what that fee the $5,000 application fee is intended to cover those costs that we would occur, incurred because of getting runs in partnership so those were the several things I was considering to add on to this policy some things to consider we're going to add on the right of first refusal and purchase option the end of year we have clients snack foods like we're learning this now for a property that we want to go the cost to acquire the property is the same as the cost to acquire the partnership space to take over like you guys are talking about doing this one and then the way it was written was the real property value being assessed by a property riser they're valued differently actually my property and the other one is used by an ownership so something to consider if we draft these we include this and then the roper you know that just always creates a lot of issues so I would just say put a lot of thought into how we want to award it now to avoid issues at the end of the client's period are you looking at policy provisions to hold the county to address this or have you actually got a copy of our policy from our executive director because we have a lot of people asking us to do the same thing but I just know from one that we joined in 2006 it was not well written to our department so will you share yours we might have it somewhere else that would be great because we pulled some examples to start seeing what the roper language looks like I've got another question for you especially if you are coming out hungry if we're going to get into partnership with somebody that's been in existence I'd like to get feedback from the clients what is the management style of their life what is it like living there to get down to the I'd like to know what kind of environment that management are you still creating but what kind of environment is management creating because I'm not interested in linking up with somebody that's got a rotten reputation and they don't have the best reputation in town and I would like to really cover the waterfront if we're going to get involved I would say if they're a chaff or a life tech property getting their last inspection reports and their last tax credit compliance reports to see their standings with chaff because you don't want to get into a smaller building that has a bad reputation that chaff is looking for a new partner on we're part of that bad deal that's what I'm saying let's cover the waterfront before we get get involved legally because money and asset and what have you is one thing but what are we buying into and what is our leverage for improving it so are you thinking at the right of first refusal timeframe not at the head of the partnership I would do it before we got involved we've got every right to look at what their history has been we can definitely pull that out of that documentation we can pull and keep in terms of doing learning from residents at this early stage when we're thinking about the partnership that might be a little because even if we do this we're not technically linked to them we're just a special limited partner so they're not really tied to us in any way we don't own it we don't have a smart ability over their management I don't think they can give us legally tenant information so right at first refusal we could yes and we don't have to buy it if we don't want to got it but you guys are seeing where I'm going yeah sure and I think for an existing property asking for that is certainly reasonable the Chaffa documentation or whoever they're funders but you'd want to know anyway because the whole partnership would be based on them complying and if they're not complying you pull out with no detriment to you right and they most likely have to get all these people's or agencies approval to add us on as an SLP I'm just a little gun shy and anything that has LHAs right so what's the benefit to the property after closing that property tax for this property they paid $221 $258,000 that's cheap yeah it's very cheap holy have they had that much money that's just what he said he did it's just a difference between one oh jeez that's cheap yeah it is and that's the other thing is when you write in your rofer or purchase option you want it to be the tax exempt price you want it valued at tax exempt prices not market price because you want to pay more they'll make more money if they sell at market rate but we're not going to buy it what else is here oh he's got you if you're going to take your time somewhere I'm just going to digest it yeah that's great so I have a question and it's really I think probably for new development because I don't know how you can back it up and do it otherwise so one of the things that we heard quite frequently or I guess I should say I heard with interviews was the no smoking sites now I was up at Centera not too long ago and they've got a 50 foot you have to be 50 feet from the building for smoking rather than 25 if we go into new building anyway we can make it property free rather than just building free I don't know because I think you have to have so I'm going on this from an employer standpoint and I think you have to have I know as a citizen employer you have to have designated smoking sites for your employees I would be willing to bet there's something in there for multifamily if you don't allow smoking in the units you have to provide somewhere so enterprise green communities which is required for all light tech projects does not allow the encouragement of smoking on the property so we're not supposed to have a sign that says smoking area and an ashtray that doesn't mean they can't smoke on the property but we're not supposed to specifically encourage it granted that opens its own can of worms so you don't have ashtrays and you have some cigarette butts on the ground but that's a interesting part of it is the impact that you have so if you don't do it A, you'd rather smoke so then the impact that you have on the property and so one of the guys that commented against Zinnia is the adjoining property manager and what he was commenting about is that too many people from LHA are going on to the property in the old Baza and the Swedes and activities on his property primarily I think it's like smoking marijuana because you can't smoke marijuana on this property and so you got to be cognizant of that too so if you think of what if we did it at Fall River and Spring Creek then everybody leaves there and they're in the neighborhoods and so you got to kind of balance all of those issues speaking of on that he has posted in work with Sarah so he does have trespassing activated sign and they're getting signs up so we do need to tell the residents of the Swedes that if they're on that property they will be trespassed so all of these things that you have to think of but you know Molly's rights and you don't there's a game of smoking space and then it's just from us but then it's not, it's good to have an outdoor seating area that is proper, it's distance away that is a logical gathering place and it may not necessarily be an ashtray and but I think in the design of these we can design them where they're intentionally further away so that you don't have that as you're coming in now this area is interesting because the breezeway is not a lha it's DDA and so this area closes its own issues there are a rule about no smoking with a 25 feet of entrance and it is posted in the beginning of the breezeway no smoking and that's where we still smoke yes we come in we used to by all we are going to make some summary of brain injuries and stuff thanks for your feedback I'm going to start working on some red lines which you'll most likely see at the January meeting by the way your January meeting says the 17th on the bottom of this but we had shifted to the second so it's actually the 10th January 10th and when Eric gets back she'll send out our 2023 calendar appointments so I'll shoot to have some red lines for the 10th because I'll go to the board on the 31st let's go on number 2 number 7 we covered the current question partnership right yeah that was all kind of all so 7 was the resident quality of life where are we on the DDA contract for 2020 I think I know yeah so on that one so we have funding that is coming in from the transportation fund that is part of I think the contract and then we have public human service funding I believe that comes in for VIA those recommendations are coming in next week at the city council meeting and so once that's done then they'll go into that contract and we'll probably take it month to month moving forward until we get the new contract done okay so you're maintaining the service then yes sorry Vian and I are working with VIA we have VIA on all that stuff so to sign up for you for the rest of the month are we in there okay I have each LHA report of the operations are you guys in your court we've got a small bump in occupancy um Briarwood filled up and the heart zone is completely full at the moment we will be having a vacancy at the Briarwood with the residents passing As for those neighborhood we have a pending eviction there that's not listed on here Friday from the event on Thanksgiving is it here anytime Friday yes yeah it's Friday 10 o'clock um there was police activity the last night so I'm still waiting for the nose from Sarah for that unit so I don't know what happened I just said other agencies assist on my daily briefing have cameras watching let's see Fall River um some of these are PVD units so we have the streets Fall River we both have PVD units HTV is trying to fill them with the sweets we have a lot of vacancies but MHP and LHA are running into the same issues we're mailing out 20 packets and one person response so I know Tracy and I are working on the sweets to possibly start opening that waitlist every six months so that we have good active names because what MHP and us are both seeing is a lot of the people on the waitlist are homeless um they don't update their addresses or they're on general delivery they're not checking their mail their case workers have lost contact with them so by the time they come up every contact way we have is dormant but we still have to give them the weeks to week period to respond once mailing so we're both talking about different ways um like I said Tracy and I are beginning almost for the sweets we'll need to open up every six months just to keep a good list and keep those filled MHP has four units ready to go and LHA has three ready to go um managers are calling the waitlist I know Katin is calling after hours last night still trying to get people because people just aren't answering or not interested too low of income found something already not ready yet got a new page today in the way this year so yeah four to seven o'clock last night just making calls and this waitlist is currently open so here yes so we're trying to fill the down units we've added another unit at the suite seven three one two um it's taken the record for the highest meth unit when we did the eviction there was stacks of foil um in the unit meth was found in the unit tested um so that one's going to be down for a while seven one one four they are trying to get that one back online by the end of the year it doesn't have to be reported to Chapa on the eight eight twenty three as a down unit um five that one is um the we're just working out some flooring issues with our vendor and in-house just trying to figure out what's the best way to go forward um B2 we are pending their post cleaning sampling reports the first round cleaning did not get all of it um to the point we removed the door and then there is a board reporting of the unit right now um fall river same issue we think they had to go in and remove the window seals even any extra course service they could find in the unit trying to get that to pass so in terms of the people that were in these units how long were they in these units approximately I mean we're talking these are like long no so seven three one two she was there from July to December first and that was that one came in at two thousand nine hundred and fifty parts per million the suites the ones cooking um this was the last one we did where the guns were on the bed so they weren't there just a few months um some of these other ones um 108 he was there for two years he was the only occupant in that unit so and they think he was possibly cooking it before he became a boarder so in the unit years yeah um B2 she was in there for about three years um the living room and the bedroom were high but the child's bedroom was very low so yeah that you that child's bedroom was like that touched rail five she was there for a couple years but the unit had just been redone for the re syndication into the bathroom and one bedroom um so I'm just going to add on her meth so we had been we've been researching around we've talked about this some of the things coming out of New Zealand so because I looked at the website for the meth alarm in New Zealand yesterday I got a call from New Zealand and he wants to set up a meeting to talk to us so why I I've been talking to a company at our unfortunately 7312 which is my next unit it's too high for them but they have developed a set of foam cleaner where they go through and they spray the whole unit with this foam and it basically cleans all the porous surfaces and these would be once measuring in like the one to five hundred range and it should be able to clean it with not having to rip out all the cabinetry and everything else to get into compliance they're based on a room so they're working with another company out of Arvadas so we're going to maybe look at that going forward if we have another one that tests in those range that maybe that would be easier than reconstructing these, obviously reconstructing these units so that it's just a deep, deep clean with this foam. Yeah, it just depends on the cost. Yeah, so that's what I'm afraid of. I wouldn't take that on the alarm too. Are you going to prove that it works? Yeah, with the alarm, like with the whatever smoke alarm type ones we were like unless you're going to put them in our and do like a demo in a test run we don't really want to invest. How long are you going to wait for? So I'm waiting for more information. He says not long. So I'm waiting for more information from them on that and then I found a company that makes our acumen test that we do the wall swipes with, they now have a little device that you basically reads the swipes but will give you the level within like one-tenth of it. So I'm looking into that and the cost of the it's through acumen. It's the same company, it's a little black box that they have. Make sure that we talk to Sider and Vane. Okay. So we can if we're going to do it, let's just do it whole system. Okay. And I talk to Vane all the time. I record my own Veth units because Boulder County is trailing. So as soon as I get test results in I'm sending them to co-enforcement letting them know I have another down unit. So they're helping me track them because the county is backlogged I guess with all these and keeping up with them. So on these Veth units I did have a chaffa reached out to me for me because we seem to have a lot and they wanted to know why and so I talked to Sarah and Dave with the police department and they said that we're actually because we're LHA is paying attention to their crime free of reports. This is what I told chaffa is that if we get a Veth unit by law we're supposed to do something about it but a lot of landlords are ignoring it and Sarah says she's starting to see that through the crime free program that there'll be a call for something with Veth but then the landlord doesn't do their due diligence. So when I'm talking to chaffa what they're going to do because we are on top of it I send them monthly reports where we're at I send them the construction updates everything so that they can see how we're moving through each unit that though they have to report the down units at the end of the year they're not going to report them until they come back online so that they go in as correct at 8823 and not at open 8823. So basically we chaffa called us saying looks like you guys have more Veth units than most and we go we're actually being incredibly transparent and addressing it and so that is very indicative of their appreciation I think that we are trying to do a thing. So I mean the risk would be of those landlords is that doing anything they're wrenching out a unit that has high stress results and they're not even testing for it. So once you acknowledge it, you have to remediate that to do that thing. But they're working on their tenants they're not going to sue them. So you're going to get away with it. Well that's what you're seeing the rise in these meth kids on Amazon is like we're in a place the first thing I would do is get these meth tests and go in the unit. You're in hotel rooms I was thinking last time when I was traveling I was like I was going to carry the tests to the hotel rooms. We never know anymore. Any questions on the occupancy? I just have one and I just want to word this correctly. One of the people remember in our interviews that there was a person who needed help did we reach out to that person? Yes. Remember she thought she was applying for housing. I'm sorry I can't recall her name on the top. Well we don't know her name. But it's maybe something that she could work in what she's waiting with. So I think that we took her phone number to Diana and Diana reached out to her our admin. Reached out to her because she gets a lot of similar calls and so she reaches them out I'm sorry gets them in in touch with our recovery resource people. I'm sorry my words are not working. Did you gather what I was going for? Diana was working and referred to her for her senior services in Long Island if she's not a current resident to work with them to help get housing here in Long Island as well. Okay. Brief property updates not a lot to happen but we've had a lot of bingos we did year-end bingos at all the properties killer event I'd say most properties had anywhere from a 40 to a 70% turnout this room was packed on both sides around the corner sweet yesterday people were standing at the pony wall with bingo cards because there was no more sitting room so just a great event had a lot of donations from local businesses and we're still picking up more donations that they said just used for raffle prizes and stuff going into the new year some of the the post chicken donated the ruse, pump house, Pepe's taco, tangerine a lot of restaurants crack pots donated gift bags and they're still more to pick up so I mass e-mails one morning and got a great response from the city local businesses even piercings and eyebrow tattoos tell me who's doing the eyebrow tattoos because my wife is Alpecia and so she had to do that but she can't find the lady like mom her name's Jessica you gotta make sure the circle works she's at one of the tattoo shops here they were really, I would just say the team really came out for that and the businesses were so excited to do this so most of them said contact us whenever you want to do this again and we'd be happy to support Longmont we're excited and then we filled in with a lot of the smaller little regular bingo prizes midthings but we used a lot of the gift cards and everything for the blackout prizes and we were like okay let's do another round and they were like yeah and they were just cheering each other on and just the support in the room it was a blast and we had AMN over at Aspen Senior and it was I think great for those who turned up because it was after the difficult week at AMN and they felt that they were so we didn't have a lot show up they reached out to me and said thank you for inviting us this is what we want, we haven't had this in years we want to be part of the community and get back to doing stuff for this years so yeah and I think we can make swag that just says one more ball all one more ball that's what they're all like one more, just one more so it was just a lot of fun for my team we had a lot of staff out sick so I'm sick but I had a bingo team so my two assistant managers with Andre and I went around to every property doing these bingos so I got the bingo equipment back yes I got the bingo equipment it was so funny because Corinne and I counted every ball last night to make sure we got all the balls so that was awesome that was totally awesome via shopping transportation we're seeing increased signups and more participation we're still working on a few kinks but we've had three rides so Thursday is going to be the fourth ride so and I think we've got most of that we've got systems in place we've bought more bags to just be as requirements in what our residents want let's see the suites our calls for service public safety are still remaining low I think I've not even seen a call in the last week and a half there we've got the tube method it's going through the ation I did list this but we did an Arcam training with the residents there a way forward right here on Coffman came in and did a training and provided an Arcam to all the residents and let them know when to use it that you know it won't cause damage if you administer it they're not having an opiate overdose but it can work with prescription drugs it can work with this and they kind of went through this big slide to a presentation and they're going to mimic that same training at all of our properties here in 2023 and so it's part of the opiate grant and everything and funding that they get there in Arcam through the count key and that they are able to get into the hands of the residents here in Longmont so I can't send them to the residents yeah we all got in Arcam they gave me four so I have four city and my office desk store all my managers how did they all I had all all my managers take the training that day as well and two of the maintenance guys so that they know when and how to use it and the residents are the residents yeah the residents went to the training and the residents got the Narcan as well and the lady was really good Debbie over at the way and she like literally walked through scenarios and they had a guy one of their volunteers come over and they administered Narcan as well he laid all the floor and stuff and they went through the whole thing in real life so which I think was very beneficial for the sweets residents to see it and let them know it's okay to do this I'm going to hear a question just do it not much going on at Ask Meadow Senior still working on the flooring issues neighborhood we are planning that one in fiction and Chaffa did come out a couple days after that and did a walkthrough of Ask Meadow Senior and Ask Meadow neighborhood they were really impressed of the turnaround of the property we got a few write-ups for exit signs being out the lights weren't working so those are all been fixed and then a few write-ups in Corinne's unit from it was the meth unit that was redone and so we had to have freedom fire come out and just replace those two floors so all those corrections I believe have been now submitted to Chaffa anything else I think we kind of already got over and we hired for all our positions currently except for the Billy Attendant six interviews last week I do plan on making a full-time offer today to Billy Attendant and possibly a part-time just in case you hear it there's not a lot but we are getting a call here and there regarding the renewal increases and what's tended to show itself in this is I think one or two that we sent it's where individuals are qualified for a one bedroom but they're in a two bedroom and so then our rates are going up and working through those issues outside of the light of one or two weren't hearing a lot and they've been voucher holders on this too so their portion was increased by housing not by LHA it was the voucher that set up pretty much increased but I think the meetings made works because it's been pretty quiet so I think they covered everything else and you were very specific several times as to how this was going to work so yeah yeah that's what I think the crosses on the ACV side but it's your proof of this you're in this and here's this and there you go I don't know if you hear anything else we wanted to go to a one bedroom where they wanted to so yeah so I have one that the last one that was reached out she has already initiated a transfer to a one bedroom which is what her voucher is approved for yeah I don't think any of these there's been a couple where they're just one and it's like I want a two bedroom it's like sorry we're working through with housing as well even if it's Boulder County LHA whoever the voucher holder is because there is avenues if they're in a two bedroom and they do have the need for a two bedroom because of medical equipment stuff like that we can work through them and help guide them through the process any other business out there overnight it's a journey to town two and