 Okay, there was one other very important thing I wanted to convey which I, I mean we were slightly out of time, this is dealing with the lab sessions. So there are these lab exercises, I will share with you the source documents, what I have here is PDF but I will share with you the ODT or the PP, sorry the Word documents doc documents and you will have to edit these documents. So what is going to happen is some of these exercises for example in this exercise I asked you to do W get certain URL. Now this URL is internal to IIT Bombay, it may not be, I mean it depends upon the setup. So this one you could potentially access it even from outside, that is fine. But this may be no proxy setting, all those things are kind of internal to your thing. Similarly in one of the lab exercises there was something about doing SSH to your Nibers machine and for which the username login, like the NSL user, it's the same login for all the machines. Now if you didn't do this, you had different logins for all the machines then the participants may need to be provided with which, where should the SSH to. And not only that there was also an exercise which talked about same subnet, outside subnet when you are running trace route, I provided you some examples of some machines to which you can do trace route where something meaningful has come. So the setup, in other words when you are passing this lab exercise to your participant remote center participants, this lab exercise by itself will not quite work just because you need to specify this additional information. So what I'm going to do when I share these editable thing is I'm going to blank out some of the things that are institute specific where you have to enter that particular information and it is your responsibility to fill in those details and pass it to the coordinators. In fact, you should do these lab exercises on your machine, either you or your TES, whoever you are employing have to do these lab exercises once more in detail, ensuring that whatever additional information you are giving is the correct thing. I mean you think okay this, if I specify this IP address, it is indeed outside subnet. That is what you think, but you actually have to implement it, see it that it is indeed working correctly. So there is this aspect of the lab preparation also you need to focus on before the actual workshop. Even here to the good extent possible you figure out by yourself, you can use the discussion forum under the Bodhi tree or email me in case you are unable to figure out what exactly should go in the lab exercises. I'll help you or if you're in the discussion forum, maybe some of your own peers who have, see oftentimes the setup that is here, I don't have a very good idea of your own setup, but since other engineering colleges maybe the setup is similar, sometimes I may not be able to provide the proper feedback or proper help, in which case your peer group since you have made so many friends here, they may be able to help. So all these lab related issues, it's better to pose it under the discussion. In fact, many things I would say, use the email option that T10KT thing rarely, post whatever in whenever you feel it's just not me, but others can also contribute in answering your question, please post it under the discussion forum so that others can also help you in that particular setup. So that's the other point I wanted to mention. So many of these things, these slides that I have shared with you along with those scripts that I was talking about to install the tools along with the source of the lab exercises, all these things within the next, by the end of next week, definitely I will put them all together and I'm going to upload it under the references for you to share. There have been video recordings done of the talks that have happened. These things will take some time, maybe another few weeks, whenever they are ready, then those I'm going to share it with you. So that kind of concludes more or less what I wanted to convey. We can continue with some questions till we break for lunch around 12, 30, 12, 40. You told us to do online, submit online feedback. You want to know what the survey results are. Okay, let's see if I can pull it. So in the meantime, if there are other questions you can ask me, I can show this. Assignments should be the same as we have been given or it could be changed or I mean... So the lab assignments will be identical to the lab assignments you have done just because I don't... I mean, you have done this, you know what the solutions are. So you should be able to communicate the same to others. I mean, stick to that or can you add something? That is what... So what I will do when I share the lab exercises is I will also, if possible, try to add on some extensions. So if you are done with this and you are free, you can do the extensions. But note that if you are doing the extensions, you yourself should have done the extensions before you provide support. So for practical purposes, I would say stick with whatever I've given. But if you're enthusiastic, you're ready to guide others on some extra, I can add on some extra exercises. Last time you told me that we can customize the Bodhi tree videos. So can you give a bit of demonstration on that, how to customize them? Like how to include our own lectures and all? Right now on the current platform, so what we do is we freeze. So what you're working on right now is what is version 2. There is an ongoing version 3. So on that you can do. But that is not easy for me to demonstrate on that. Okay. So one more question regarding the participant workshop. Like will these videos what you have given the demonstration for us, the same thing will be run or it will be a live type of stuff which will be going on for the participants. Sorry, I didn't catch your question. No, not a lab session. So lectures we are talking about. The talks, which is the flip classroom, think, share and the project talks, they are recorded here. So these recordings will, so there are two options. Here they will be streamed live or will be shared there where you locally played. So I'll put up all these things up on the web, you can download it. You will play them during the designated time and then the concerned faculty will hopefully be here to do a face-to-face discussion or they will view it offline during, even before they come here and then extend the duration so that we can answer more questions. This information detail I will convey to you when the schedule is finalised because I need to talk with the participants to see if they are available or not. If they are not available, it will just be that the talk will go on and maybe I will handle some of the questions. If they are there, maybe talk will be offline and you can talk with them. In the introduction sessions here we had immediately started with the discussions. So when we will be holding the same in our remote centres? It's my individual perception. I think it might be good if you can give an introduction to the chapters and overview of the end 20 minutes and then start with the discussion rather than starting with the discussions immediately. You are saying about the content, the labs anyway, I will give an overview. Not lab, I'm saying about the, because here we had immediately started with the discussion process rather than that it's, I think it's good if we start with some overview of the chapters, the outlines maybe 10-20 minutes and then with the discussions. Okay. Ma'am, we have a serious doubt about the participants that with what preparation they would be coming to the workshop. So probably they will not be having enough contents with them so that they can directly be put into the lab sessions or what can be done like. See for the lab sessions before they come in, they are, I have provided some videos on NS2 socket programming. The slides are also there. If possible, I was thinking of doing one small video on PCP dump wire shark, those things also, those they would have watched before they come. Not only that, at the venue also, I will spend at least half an hour before every lab talking about, just like I have done, I mean not for the first lab but for the later labs, I will talk about what the lab is about and what is expected of them, that kind of overview also I will provide. Zip file, all that we need utilities other than Linux, that you will upload in both the tree. Yes. I will upload, I showed you right that .sh, .master, .all that thing I will upload. All you need to do is go to the directory and just execute that scrim on it. Result of the survey. So they were 171 responses so far. I will if you can, I guess it's, I guess you can read right or I should read it for you. So this first thing says need for instructor presence, 34 felt or rather 21 percent felt very much, 62 percent felt sometimes, 18 percent did not feel the need for me when they were watching the videos. Quiz within videos, a good number felt that they have helped understand the concept better. Again outside video quizzes also a good number felt that they did help in understanding the underlying concept. A good many people seems to have spent lot more time than the 20 minutes that a particular video takes. Majority seems to be using Windows 7, Linux also is not a bad number but I think majority is Windows based. Which browser, Chrome people have used. So Chrome you didn't face an issue with the video load, we didn't test it so that's why I didn't include it because we were afraid since we didn't test it whether again a good number seems to have faced some problem or the other with video loading 35 percent, video playing 22 percent. I guess many of these I have covered, this is the network speed. This is very interesting, decrease in some participant who has, who lost what they understood. I mean your computer, so this question was there for my students who had no knowledge of computer networks whether they did not understand this thing but you being computer network instructors you don't want to see this that you come for a workshop and you forgot what computer network concepts are. Now it could just be a mistake someone has made maybe they did not understand the thing but anyway I thought it was. So interest levels I think are mostly increased, amount of time you spent, yeah this is also I think for most of them seems to have spent good amount of time. The things I guess it's just the flex similar points I didn't go through in lot of details since I didn't have time but I will go through each so as I said your feedback is very important I will go through each and everything in detail once this thing ends. So it looks like majority seem to buy into the idea of this flipped classroom kind of teaching but I do relate with the minority also because I can understand where you are coming from. There is good trade-off as far as the content is concerned I think this is a range, yeah I mean this is again very subjective I also quite understand if someone didn't like the way the content is organized I mean it's a user perception there is nothing that says you should like whatever other person does or the other person's type. Everything is good whether they get the band to play or the utility gets all matters. No no but I am saying even otherwise this question wasn't on that this question was if you were to view it as a textbook which is basically asking how the content was you may have liked it but all I'm saying is doesn't mean other should like it I mean with just like food habits I may love ice cream but others may hate it but it's a individual perception which is very valid it's I'm not saying it's but I'm happy to see that at least eight and above that number is there are good number I mean that is good enough satisfaction for me but that said the others whoever have kind of commented I would definitely like to hear some feedback from you as to if there is something I could have done to improve the content itself yeah I'm not talking about Bodhi platform there are a lot of technical issues with this with respect to that with respect to the way the content was delivered like the explanation style or it's like writing a textbook some textbooks are well written some are badly written so it's the question of how you felt about the textbook if there is something I can do to improve the overall content I'm more than happy to I mean this is not there there's always scope for improvement so that information also I haven't explicitly asked but if you are ready to give even anonymously you know you could send anonymous emails also it's not there are certain utilities out there through which you can send anonymous emails so you just Google for them it'll let you send an anonymous email you can use that to send me or you can also write directly right I won't as I said I as a person I'm not going to be offended or feel bad about any of these things because I feel there's always scope for improvement no matter what that is your perspective but they could also be the case that you could have done a better job maybe this concept you have covered in a different yeah so fine everyone is entitled to their opinion I don't think we should hold it against them okay so this is again a good statistic for us the fact that many people do want to use it is kind of so we will see as I said maybe six months down the lane or whatever I will contact most of you once some clarity emerges on using this platform within your own institutes to run your courses I know there are other concerns which were raised earlier also I think especially there is some fear like I may lose my job kind of a thing I know I don't we should work towards a case where teachers at the engineering colleges also feel empowered to use the platform I mean they have to fill a role which I feel comes from this face-to-face interaction doing those tutorials like what Sridhar was also mentioning do that think-pair share who is going to I mean I cannot do it you have to be there face-to-face with the students doing those discussions doing conducting those tutorials where you're excited you're making them excited about the material that role only you can play and you need as much knowledge as me in order to design and run those tutorials so I don't buy into the argument that this kind of demotivates the local instructors local instructors have a very important role to play how it is finally going to emerge I think we need to give at least five six years forward to see how what shape this whole movement is going to take but it looks like given that technology improvement this is kind of likely will become the norm later where you are going to move more towards the flipped classroom model I mean that is my feeling it will go on like this for maybe another ten years and then maybe they will realize after doing some studies that the learning has gone down and maybe they will go back to the blackboard but definitely for the next few years I think this technology and this approach is going to be there so you we might as well adapt ourselves to embrace it that's that's my feeling what do you want me to say but sorry what's that? yes it India.org, Professor of Mechanical Engineering Aishwant Kanidkar very you all know we all know about him he they are selling CDs but there is some limitation we should install only one machine somebody was talking about distributed information can you give it in CDs he is having so much of restrictions he is it is a commercial product we cannot demand anything but he is teaching base basics but only if we listen to his lecture we will come to know the intricacies how depth the subject should be dealt with but there is so much of limitation if you could improve on that issue for example even for a simple matter like C only if we listen to his lecture we get more understanding you covered much of basics if chance permits you could see his lectures case at India.org it is a commercial product he teach basics but also go into the intricacies so that way it could be improved okay so this is a basic course there are advanced courses like so normally we have this course which runs at the undergrad level at the graduate level we have what is called advanced computer networks and then we also have wireless networks and advanced wireless networks so these courses are also there the thing is over time within the another one two years material for these will also be ready not about subjects not about syllabus enhancement or something like that madam even teach see what happens inside like that I see so okay you're saying even more depth yes again so I have a point of contention there is it depends upon who you're targeting an average student is not interested in knowing it in that if you're doing research I agree you have to get into a lot of detail but for an average student even the content I have presented I think is in lot more detail than is necessary for an average engineering college student so the question is who uses your target audience if your target audience is an average engineering college student in fact I should probably lighten some of this stuff up in fact I've given more in deep but if your average audience is someone who wants to do research in the space then I have to go into more detail so I mean I'm not currently not focused on that aspect I'm only focusing on people an average engineering student who needs to study something to get a job so just with respect to the course content itself as I mentioned this statistic each 20 minute video takes roughly the equivalent of maybe 10 to 20 hours depending upon the content and thing so this is not like a yeah many things take time it's it's a long process it took me roughly over a period so the learning curve itself is rather high the learning curve itself was few months where at the end of it I just produced two three weed I mean let's say I produced only five videos but the learning curve of getting familiarized with how to speak how to record how to edit everything itself was like I would say three four months once that learning curve was surpassed then things started going faster but even there as I said it took me about four months where I worked all days of the week starting from more or less morning till evening and maybe even late night but of course I had other commitments as a faculty so it was a full packed that entire four months I did not have any breather like I worked all days of the week I worked from morning till more or less 12 in the night with let's give her a big hand ladies and gentlemen okay I mean we can break it's 12 30 so we can break