 they they can't make their own lineup really yeah because they can't speak well they can't tell you they don't want to die yeah you just have a conversation polite one you agree with me so you agree that fish it's cruel to you believe it's cruel to harm fish yeah yeah yeah they're an animal it's living it's they're aware they feel pain they suffer when you see someone fishing yeah and they put a hook in a fish's mouth yeah I feel the pain I see it so it's cruelty it's beyond belief it's it's like any animal any living thing that we eat yeah or kill is cruelty yeah and when you see fish yeah with a hook yeah through its could you imagine that happening to you yeah so yes it's called empathy what you're describing yeah do you feel the pain the animals go through absolutely and it's it's it's wrong yeah I agree with you you've got a good heart mate that's what it is and uh have you thought about like do you know what a vegan is yes yeah so basically a vegan is a vegan is a philosophy against the exploitation and cruelty to animals so it's more about like it's a belief that you act in your lifestyle so you don't eat wear use animals products so I try not to yeah but it's very hard because if you go to a supermarket as you've got to know where to look there's meat everywhere so you got to know but there there is once you know it becomes really easy in second nature and because someone like you you don't want to be paying for egregious cruelties to happen to animals you sound like not that type of person but that's the society we live in it is but it doesn't have to be the society you participate in no that's the power of your control not to do that yeah you choose not to eat products or animals that I choose and like a lot of people choose you know they don't know so they might make a choice that harms the animals but the positive thing is I don't have to follow them because everyone else is doing it you know I can stick true to my principles and you know you might say well all the animals are going to get killed anyway but I don't participate in it you know what I mean everyone out here could be torturing dogs and if I stopped torturing the dogs dogs are still going to be tortured but not in my name you know what I mean so take this this is a little guide for you how to be vegan in Australia it's got everything in their restaurants apps movies thanks brother thank you very much do you agree or disagree mate you do agree that it's cruel to like kill and eat fish well then you're full that's that's 100% that's not half half yeah I know so why is it cruel why is it cruel I mean you can go to the fish chip job and get fish yeah but when you but then you're paying for the fishing industry which is cruel to fish yeah so that's my that's my logic but what what if you get other animals eat all the fish in the sea like which other animals what do you mean by whale yeah they do yeah you mean other animals do it yeah yeah but just because other animals do things that immoral yeah doesn't mean we have to copy them no we don't have to copy animals behavior where human beings civilized well they do in seawall they do bingers yeah I see yeah you know yeah yeah I don't I don't agree with the seawall I don't think it's good there if you think if you think it's cruel to eat fish why do you do it that's why I ate fish once yeah that's my reason I don't eat fish well I don't eat any animals at all not for nearly eight years I eat pork pigs yeah pigs yeah pork yeah yeah why do you eat pigs well it's like cows I eat beets from them do you eat cows as well yeah do you think those animals want to live or do you think they don't care if they get stabbed to death oh they they can't make their own lineup really yeah because they can't speak well they can't tell you they don't want to die yeah do you think about how to pig here yeah and I had a knife do you think the pig would try to avoid being killed yeah we'll run away from you yeah so when you eat pork you're you're eating an animal that didn't want to die and they died in a slaughterhouse very terrified yeah that's another thing I ate what they do with the animal yeah they do it because you pay them to yeah but how do you how do you mean I I pay them to do so when you buy the meat yeah you're paying them to do what they did to the animal that's that's because of you if you don't if no one here bought meat there's no slaughterhouse it doesn't exist anymore they don't yeah the public paying for that cruelty yeah do you think it's like do you know like what a hypocrite is right yeah I used to be a hypocrite I'll tell you why I was against cruelty to animals yeah for years and then I realized I was paying for the worst animal cruelty and eating animal cruelty then I changed that's how I changed I felt like a hypocrite yeah it's like people who don't eat fish or any meat yeah because they are patern yeah you know have you heard of the word vegan do you know what a vegan is yeah it's like a vegetarian except we don't have any animal products yeah yeah so eggs egg industry and dairy industry torture and kill animals as well yeah but this is how you go vegan where you can eat what you can do and this is uh it's a good film on fish I don't know if you got Netflix at home yeah I am should check that out brother I will you sound like you're against animal cruelty and you don't want to see animals get yeah they don't they can't protect themselves it's just like um like you know you don't like them putting down all this episode and wrong with them but they still do yeah but when they when they putting them down they're suffering they have to yeah but a cow and a pig that you eat there's no need to do that you're doing it because you want a quick sandwich or bacon yeah but we can get vegan bacon we can get plant-based food you know what I mean plant-based food all right all right brother take care mate you agree she's scared don't be shy it's all right I don't bite who eats fish any of yous eat fish do you eat fish do you ever do you think it's cruel why not what yeah no I don't I don't want to harm the fish I will let's just let me put it put it like this right if I had a dog treat on a hook and I waited for a dog to come and I waited for him to eat the treat and I hooked him in the face and I drowned him in the bucket right and then I gutted the dog and I made sushi for you would you eat it what do you eat fish and chips all right I made dog and chips for you it's not a gun mate don't worry would you think that's cruel if I did that to the dog it would be but it's not cruel for the fish fish can feel pain yeah they suffer feel pain they're conscious beings all right brother no god did not say anything like that in your eyes in your view through the bible all right in your worldview I can go and cut the head up a dog right now and eat him because I'm allowed to