 The challenge we face today I think as if you would say socialists is to harness reason and Knowledge of history to come up with an alternative to capitalism which produces Human flourishing consistently and what I think you're doing is giving up on human reason because you are actually accepting a system Which you know by experience goes into crisis and you're saying we should just accept it and not look beyond it So that's my accusation. No, I don't agree with you about capitalism completely I think the evidence is quite to the contrary of what you suggest Capitalism does not fail There is no evidence of capitalism's failed and I would take you at crisis after crisis after crisis and show you that Capitalism has not failed and today the sluggish economy of the world is driven by one major factor and that is statism