 In this episode of mind pump the world's top fitness health and entertainment podcast. We answer fitness and health questions that are asked by listeners and viewers just like you. Now the way we open the episode is we talk about current events, we mentioned studies, we talk about fitness, we talk about our sponsors. After that portion we get into answering the questions. So the intro portion today lasted about 39 minutes. Let me give you the rundown of the whole episode. We open up by talking about old school fathers, how little they did around the house, much less than they do now. We talked about the federal judge whose family got attacked. This is making the conspiracy theorists heads explode because she was working on... It's right in front of us. The Epstein case, that's kind of crazy. Then we talk about Spotify and how they're dominating the premium paid for streaming music market. Then we talked about a letter one of our listeners sent us. 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Include your shirt size and your shipping address and we'll get that shirt right out to you. Hey dude, are you are you getting good at golf? I'm playing golf. Yeah. How about that? How about that? Nobody ever gets good at golf. You're wearing the clothes. Hey, I will say this though. I hated that sport up until becoming a dad. Yeah. I really did. Why do you think he actually plays and why do they play? I get it now. I gotta hear why though. Because because and I don't want to sell out any dads right now that have wives that listen to mind pump. Plug your ears. Yeah. Wives don't know exactly how long 18 holes takes and this is like a secret dad code. Yeah. That all dads are just like listen. It can take however long you want. It's an all day event. Yeah. It's like an all day event and you and you intentionally make sure it takes all day, right? Yeah. So, I appreciate that the solitude for like, you know, straight five hours, you know, that's go away. Yeah. So, that's what's making me fall in love with it. Although I will say this, you know, this was funny too. So, uh we we get to the the the 12th hole and we you know, all of a sudden here come uh our wives show up, right? Actually, Katrina didn't show up. My two buddies' wives show up and they come out and like meet us on the golf course and uh I was like enjoying yourself. Well, yeah, it it it did feel like that. They come walking over carrying their kids, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, they're carrying the kids and they come walking over and they're like, you know, this one and this one, they're talking about what like what a headache they've been for the day. It's been like five hours. Yeah. Yeah, it's been about four about that time. You know, we still got we still got six holes to go and uh and it's Twilight. So, anybody that's uh golfed like uh you know, Twilight, they give you like half price on weekdays, right? So, it's Friday and we're doing it. It's also glitter vampires, but it's the left right there. Yeah. And it's uh so what they do is they cram like everybody in so you and you got somebody in front of you and you got somebody behind you. So, there's no like can't stop and hang out with the wives for 20 minutes on the golf course. You have to hurry up and do the other four hours. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. But you know, the right after that, we'd seen them, you know, we said, we gotta go. There's someone pushing up behind us. So, we take off and and then that stem the the conversation of this like, you know, uh feeling guilty. I'm like, man, this kind of kills the game now. I feel like you guys are filming. Oh, because you guys left your wives. Yeah. Yeah. Take care of it. Well, and and you could tell, you could tell by their wives like how they felt, you know, that they were like, it's been long time, you know, your your daughter, your son's being a pain in the ass right now. When are you going to be done? You know, we haven't ate yet, when's dinner, like all that stuff. And so, I was telling them just like how what what a pain in the ass. I was like, that's kind of sucks because now you feel guilty for us being out here and golfing. And so, each guy's going around and this has to be common dad stuff like, you know, who's who's got who's got it more made? Like, who does less of the stuff they have to do? Who gets who gets away with more? What a weird way to brag. Oh, yeah. I do. I do the least at home. It wasn't a way of bragging. It was more like who who has the the ability to go play a full round of golf and not get shit for it afterwards. Right. That's really what it was what it was really about. And the two of them will watch. Whose wife quietly resents their husband. Yeah. Versus being vocal about it. Pushes and suppresses it way down. Yeah. And then explodes way later about it. Causes a divorce 15 years later. Exactly. You know what I mean? That's hilarious. Bro, the role of the father in terms of raising kids has changed so much in the last couple generations. Like my my dad has he doesn't know what to do. He has no idea what to do with it. I tried watching my dad like, you know, change diapers. That was an experience. Yeah. He was just fumbling all over the place. I was like, you never did this, did you? I know. Do you guys remember when that came? So my two this is this actually was a conversation that that stemmed all this, right? We for first time about ourselves and like how we contribute and how what care how much of the load do we carry with raising our kids and you know, they both were saying like it's so crazy how different it is like what we're expected to do as fathers in comparison to what our dads you both my buddy said like I had no idea that my dad's didn't do shit until we had our kids. Yeah. Because once we had our kids and we brought him over, he's like, you know, you think you're gonna come see grandpa like, oh, I get a little bit of a breather. I can, you know, my dad, my grand, my dad's gonna be playing with my son. I can relax, maybe watch a little bit of TV for a little bit. Like no, like no attention to him. Doesn't know how to change a diaper. Doesn't know how to heat up milk. Give them ice cream and put some in front of TV. You're like, are you serious right now? Like, did you not raise me? No, my dad, when my, the few times my dad was left alone with us when we were real little, of course as we got older, it's different, but I'm talking about like when your babies and stuff like that, right, my dad was clueless. The few times my mom did that where she would go to her mom's house, which is down the street, my dad would call her and he call her up and be like, hey, the baby pooped. So my mom would have to come home and you think I'm joking? I used to laugh because that's how it was. So this is before cell phones, right? One time my mom went to the store and my dad was home alone. And it was like an hour, but in my, you know, my brother had just gone to the bathroom. My mom changed the diaper. She's like, it's safe. Let me take, let me take off. Well, I guess he wasn't done yet, right? So he takes another crap or whatever. My sister taught my dad had to put the, because my sister had dolls. So she's like, no, that's wrong, but that's backwards. And so she's helping them out. And it's like a funny story. Yeah, you think it's bad, dude. You know, talk about, on top of it, Southern, like old school Southern Italians is even, now granted, that doesn't mean they did nothing. They, you know, in the tradition, it was that they worked, right? They were, but they didn't do anything or know anything else to the point where my ex-wife's dad did not know where his clothes were. He didn't know. He would wake up in the morning and if the clothes weren't put out in the bed for him, he'd come down to his underwear and he'd be like, and he'd just be in his underwear. What am I supposed to do? No idea. If he didn't give it, he'd just be in his underwear. I don't know where my clothes are. Where's my pants? Just helpless. No idea what to do. Now, have you guys ever, do you ever get those moments of feeling a little bit guilty like that when you realize like your partners picked up so much of the slack in an area? You're like, oh shit, like I don't actually know what I'm supposed to do right now. I'm a way different. Mainly with scheduling. Yeah. Yeah. That's why I'm like, oh, where am I all the time? Yeah, I'd agree with that. I ask Katrina sometimes, where am I supposed to be this weekend? Or where are we? Yeah. So I do think that there's some general male and female traits and that's why we can be good partners. And I think one of the things that guys tend to be bad at is that. I think we're really, we probably are worse at multitasking, remembering and scheduling stuff like that. And I don't know if that's a man thing or if that's just the way, I don't know. But it's a common complaint. Yeah, and it's mainly, and I feel bad because it's mainly like every time we schedule something with like family or people's birthdays or this or that. I'm just like, that's like a whole other world to me. And I'm just like in this, like I got to work and provide and do this and that and the other. Oh yeah, we have this birthday. What? You know, this throws me way off. The worst is there, does this ever happen to you where like this happens to me with Jessica? I feel so embarrassed, but I'll be talking to her and I'll be like, so Saturday, you know, I wanted to do this thing, whatever. And she'll be like, yeah. And I'll be like, what? And I know I'm like, I'm fucked by, oh man. You know, we're going to bed, bathroom beyond. Yeah, I'll be like, what? And she'll be like, I literally just talked to you three hours ago about what we're doing Saturday. And then I think she thinks she's going to spark the memory in me, but I'll still be like, oh man. Can I get one more clue? Can I get one more thing? I'll be like, honey, I swear, I don't. Tell me what I have to wear. How many people are going to be there? At least give me that. I don't remember. And it's like something important, like my mom's birthday. Is it indoors or is it outdoor? I'll be like, oh yeah, that's right. You did tell me an hour ago. I always listen to you, you know. You know, it is funny, but you know, like my dad now, here's another funny thing too. How different are your parents' grandparents versus how they were as parents? How much more patient are they as grandparents? Now, I think that has a lot to do with just getting older and wiser. Because don't you feel like you're a way more patient father today than me? For sure. Right? For sure. Because I think that's the same thing. Yeah, they still complain a lot. I'll be honest. It's like, man, the old has really set in. But I'm like, has it set in or has it always been there? And I just now notice it more. I think that part of it is you're wiser and part of it is you're too tired to get super angry. You know what I mean? Yeah. But when I was, I mean, I see my, when my kid was little, I remember, my dad was, you know, my mom's like, try and feed him this thing. And she's trying to do the thing. And my son like, just smacks him in the face. Yeah. And I remember like, oh no, what's going to happen? And he laughed. I was like, who's this man? Yeah. Who's laughing that a kid hit him in the face? It's not the same man that erased me. Yeah, it was funny. I was actually, so I had vacationed a bit with my parents over the weekend in San Diego. And I mean, even though I go visit them all the time, it's like when you hang out like overnight and in the morning, all this, you see all these like patterns that you forgot all about, you know, and the way that they interact and stuff is pretty funny. But my dad was like, made this big ordeal to try and take my boys in the morning to go to the donut shop. And he's just like this. Yeah. Like he's always trying to like find that. Like, oh yeah, your father never let you do this. So let's do this guys. You know, like always try to undermine me and everything. And I was so, I was so proud. Like my kids were just like, no, we don't want all that sugar. He didn't know what to do. His mind like exploded. Like he's telling me this. He's like, well, you've definitely programmed your kids. You know, I'm like, what do you mean? He's like, I tried to get them to eat donuts as more. And they said, no. You did do a good job. My kids would have folded like a sheet. Well, they had it the night. I mean, dude, I mean, the past few days of them vacation. Yeah. Meanwhile, Justin does it. This hurts all the other side of the room going like this. Given the dad look, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, you go get donuts, you guys. They were feeling the heat from me in the other room. And I wasn't even there. What do you like more donuts or your bike? Dude, but so we were like, we went to Coronado and we went in. We were there and I was like trying to come up with something to do because apparently it was all on me to like figure something out to do with everybody. And I'm like, you don't like doing anything. You know what am I supposed to do? And so I found this bike rental thing where we could all like fit in. Like one of those like tandem bike things. It's like a little like a four person. So six people. Oh, wow. Yeah. So like we were all packed in this thing, right? And there's one, there's one part of the thing. Like on the left side, you have the control. So you actually have the brake and you have the steering ability and pedal. And it's like the person that does the most work or whatever, right? And so my dad's like six, seven. I mean, I hate to throw him on blast, but he's close to 300 pounds. I mean, he's a heavy dude, right? He's Nate and his knees are bothering him. He's, you know, he's tall and so he can't really pedal. And so he just decides, I'm just not going to pedal. What? I'm like, you're a fucking dead weight. And I am pushing as hard as I can. I would, dude, we went three miles. And you were at the engine? I was the only one pedaling. I was so exhausted. Like I was like, I was done, dude. I passed out when we got back. Did he put his legs up or what? He just put them up on this like wheel well, like in front. And he's just like there. And just like, you know, this is nice. It's just great, you know. He's trying to help me. She's like, oh my God, I'm so sorry. My mom's like trying to help as much as she could. I wasn't doing anything. But you can't say she, I've been carrying news for decades. I'm like, can we kick this guy out? You know what I mean? Like kick him on the curl. You walk back. Dude, that's hilarious. Oh, dude. Hey, my kid turned 15 this weekend. Oh, this is, I didn't know that was important this weekend. That's why I got him to BMX. 15 years old. He's reaching the age now that I clearly, clearly remember being, you know what I mean? Like if you think back to your point, like, yeah, I have vivid memories of 15. Yeah. Right around 14, 15 is when I have a pretty clear memory of like my thought patterns and who I was. So now I'm looking at my kid and I'm like, I know. You know what I mean? I know what it's like to be 15. But he, he, he, he bailed for the first time on the, on the bike the other day. Oh, he did? Yeah. What was he going for? He was jumping. So I get, yeah, I gave him the, you know, he got the BMX and he's been riding around, having a good time. The bunny hop lessons from Brad. Yeah. Yeah, I know. He's practicing or whatever. And we were going for a long walk and he was, he would lead in front of us and we passed by this church and they have a parking lot or whatever. So he takes off in front of us. So it takes us about, I don't know, 17 minutes to catch up to him. When we catch up to him, he's riding toward us and I think he wanted to show off. And apparently he'd already done this a bunch of times. So he's trying to show off in front of us and he was trying to bunny hop over a curb, but he didn't time it well and just head over, over the handlebars. No, he ended. Hard, dude. Yeah. Face in the derp. Hey, I mean, that's all part of it. You got to earn your strength. But I'm, you know, and Jessica freaked out a course and I kind of real calm. I walk over there and I'm looking at him and I saw his leg and I'm like, oh crap, did he break his, but he was totally fine. Nothing. He just. Now, how did it affect him though? Was he like cool about it? And like, or is he like scared of the bike now? No, I think he thinks it's cool that he fell. Oh, okay. Yeah. Like, oh, yeah, you know, like I got this like scratch on my face. Now he's got a story. Yeah. Now he can show the girl he facetimes or whatever. You know, oh, yeah. He's trying some big jump. You notice that thing on my face? Yeah, yeah, yes, you know. Jumped over a few. He told fire pits. He told his mom a lie though, because I go to drop him off at his mom's house and so his face is kind of scuffed right here right over. And so him and I are pretty good. We're a pretty good team and we're bullshitting because we could keep a straight face and just riff off each other. It's really nice bonding time. So he shows up. Is it time I said to be a good liar? Oh, it's so good. Oh, it's great. His mom's like, oh my God, what happened to your face? And he's like, oh, he makes his face and he goes, this homeless guy was trying to steal my bike. She's like, shut up. And I'm like, no, I didn't want to tell you. And so we're going back and forth with each other. He's like, he grabbed the bike and he pushed me off and then I grabbed the bike back. And he's like, luckily, Bob showed up and the dude ran away. And we're telling a story for like 10 minutes. And she's just like, oh, man, we got to move. What the fuck? Can we get out of this place? This is terrible. This is horrible. And then, yeah, we both start laughing and she's pissed off or whatever. Oh, classic. Yeah, it's a good time. Dude, are you ready for some more conspiracy stuff? Oh, yeah. We should have a whole segment on this. Are you serious, you guys? No, this is real. I'm going to turn our podcast into the conspiracy podcast. I've been avoiding it all weekend. So I'm ready for some fresh ideas. Listen, OK, this is the best time. Listen, Linda. This is the best time in my life for conspiracy theories. Everything is so weird that everything is believable. But here's the thing. Yeah. This is not a crazy one. This actually happened. You guys ready for this? Let's hear it. So a federal judge, Judge Salas, was assigned four days ago to unravel all of the money laundering in the Epstein case. Yeah, I did hear about that. So she was this female judge and she was assigned to unravel all of this, right? Hundreds of millions of dollars worth with banks, suspects, the whole black book, the whole deal. Yeah. OK. Yesterday? This is sad. Yesterday, a gunman shows up at her house dressed like a UPS or FedEx guy or whatever. Yeah. Her husband and her kid open the door. Gunman opens fire. The husband is in critical condition. I think the son died. I think the kid died. The son died. What the fuck? And OK, here's the other thing. Just straight, obvious. OK, we see now. How's that? This is nothing conspiracy about that. That's right. That's what happened. That's what I'm saying. So how crazy is that, right? And then here's the other part. Today, so as of the recording podcast, the suspect who shot them was just found with a self-inflicted gunshot wound. So they committed suicide. What? Dude, this is getting crazy. That is crazy. There's nothing. OK, that's not a conspiracy, bro. That's like shit. Well, what I mean by that. Well, it's not being publicized as much like in the media. Like they're not. Yeah, I didn't know that. I didn't see no, I didn't see any news. Well, here's the conspiracy theory. OK, the conspiracy theory is the reason why this happened is because she's investigating or she's part of the judge that's doing nothing. What do you mean? Of course it is. How else could it? Someone gets an authentic. OK, that's like straight hit, man. It's blatant. That's not like, oh, I was going to rob the house. Wrong person answered the door. So I shot him. And then that's like a send a message thing. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? That's wow. That's what I think. But here's the thing. Federal judges like this are involved in a lot of cases that could like she, I think she was presided over a case that dealt with like this organized crime syndicate and a bunch of other stuff. So technically these judges are, you know, they've always got to kind of be careful. But it is weird that she's involved in the Epstein thing. And then this happened, you know, four days after she got this, that this was the thing she was supposed to. That's so. And so she's still presiding over this case. I don't know. Because that's, I mean, wouldn't you think like you'd have more vested interest to preside? I mean, again, like what does that do in terms of like it becoming like like grounds for it being like one of those where they have to like retry? I don't know, dude. You know, I read that Gil St. Maxwell was obviously that Epstein's girlfriend or whatever. They are moving her from cell to cell to avoid assassins. Yeah. That's what the freaking headline said. I know. I saw that all the. I'm like, this is a real thing. The memes that are going around about that. I know. Yeah. You know, that they're admitting that there was an assassin. Well, it's like, yeah. And I get why people like tongue in cheek will keep like joking about us. But that's the serious shit. Like that's what everybody needs to be paying attention to and keep her, you know, alive. So she can talk about like all these people involved. Oh, well, I look into her family, by the way. I mean, I told you guys off air that if she gets killed, bro, and we don't fucking protest and make a big stink about it, I'm disappointed in our country. Yeah. That's 100 percent. That is so. You can protest about everything else under the sun. Like, like, let's save some kid lives. Yeah. That's insane. Yeah. Well, did you see her family, what her dad was involved in? No, I heard you guys talking about it. Oh, he was a huge. He was in a massage, I guess. Well, huge twisted media. He was a media mogul in the UK, connected to all these different people, also accused of, you know, lots of other conspiracies, stuff like that's his daughter. So and some people are saying that she was the brains behind the whole thing. And Epstein was just the money, you know, and stuff behind it. It's crazy. It's crazy. It's crazy. I mean, it's just baffling to me. It's like so blatant. It's in everybody's face. So you know what this kind of reminds me of is in the 80s. So so, you know, obviously my family's from Sicily, right? And Sicily's had, you know, mafia comes from Sicily, organized crime or whatever. Well, it was really it's and it's still a big problem over there. But in the 80s, there was a judge that he's like, he went out of his way and he's like, I'm taking the mafia down. I think his name was Judge Falcone. Maybe Doug can look and look it up. So I don't get this. I get this right. So he was getting people and then he was getting them to talk. And it was the first time in a long time that the Sicilian mafia actually felt threatened in Sicily. And something had happened. I think there was some innocent kid that got killed or something and the public protested. And they were like, take these people down, which this is the first time that they'd really seen a big public outcry. So they were like, oh, whatever, you know, they're going to come after us. So this judge was under serious like government protection. They would switch several cars when he was driving. He'd have all these guards. What's his name? Yep, Judge Falcone. So he was, you know, super protected under armed guard. They were protecting him because obviously they knew that they would try to kill this judge, right? Do you know how they got to him? How? They blew up a bridge that his whole convoy was driving over. A whole bridge blew it up and they ended up killing him. That's crazy. Yeah. That's a true story that was in the 80s that happened. Isn't that insane? That is crazy. Yeah. That's wild stuff. Wild stuff. Anyway. Well, now you got my cackles all up again. I know. I know. We have a good time. Dude, Spotify. Adam, I got to talk to you about Spotify. Yes. I got to admit on the podcast here for a second, you were totally right, by the way. Another timestamp right here. I know, I know. I know that. That's the second time I saw it here. I know. Oh, God. At least this guy. This guy. No, you know what happened? So when Rogan went to Spotify, Spotify stock shot up and it was all, it was expensive and Adam's like, we need to buy Spotify. I'm like, I don't know, man. It's real expensive. Like it's kind of at its peak. Yeah. Let's just leave us forget it for a bit, whatever. No, it keeps shooting up. So I'm reading about Spotify. So obviously streaming now has become the preferred way of listening to music. It's a $11 billion industry making up 47% of global music industry revenues. And Spotify is the clear winner globally in terms of paid subscribers. Wow. It's number one. They had the best platform for sure. They've dominated the global streaming music industry with about, ready for this, 130 million premium subscribers worldwide. Wow. 130 right now. That's times nine dollars. Yeah. That's massive. I wonder how much business they've taken from Apple. Paid business, they're crushing. Yeah. Right. Because the other platforms have a lot of free stuff. Yeah. But they're the ones that are, they're winning this right now. Yeah, they're just taking over. This is good news for podcasts and stuff. Well, I mean, not only that. It's fun to watch. If we really, if we really bully, I think so. I mean, Joe Rogan was the first, but I think we're going to see more and more of this in the next three to five years where these platforms start acquiring, you know, famous people, you know. Big shows. Yeah, big, yeah. Because right now, I mean, what's cool is that, I mean, to me, I love this. I think it's just so neat the time that we live in that, how easy it is to get into this market. Everybody listening right now could go start their own YouTube channel, start their own podcast. Very low barrier. Yeah, very, very low, very, very minimal cost to get up and running and doing that. And I think that's amazing and awesome. And if you actually have something that provides great value and you build an audience, you can build a nice livelihood for yourself. And then you even have the opportunity to build such a great livelihood that you get the attention of Spotify, Apple or YouTube and they go, listen, this person has got so much influence. We want to pay for them to exclusively be on our platform. I mean, that's what I think we're going to see in the future. Joe Rogan was the first and obvious. Once that pans out for Spotify, you're going to see it happen. Like right now, it's kind of a gamble, right? Are we going to get our return? Yeah, right, we're going to get a return. We're paying this guy millions of dollars. Like are we going to see, you know, a spike in more subscribers? Are we going to see more traffic coming through there? Like, and then once that pans out, then it's just a mathematical game. Then you just go, okay, well, Joe Rogan's this big and draws this much attention. Well, how big is this person and this person? And it takes the maverick business to pull those strings and then everybody else watches from afar. Totally. And they're like, ooh, is this going to work out for them or not? And then it works out there. Oh, we got to get in this. Yeah, well, I mean, the beauty of new media as the bandwidth is essentially unlimited, right? It's a huge bandwidth. Whereas before, if you wanted to, you know, if you had some kind of, if you had an idea for a radio show or a show of some sort and you wanted to be in media, there were a few networks. There really wasn't much to pick from and you had to do what they told you and the cost to enter that kind of a market was so high because equipment was expensive, cameras and recording equipment. And then where do I put it? No one's going to listen to it unless it's on a network. And so the barriers were just massive. Now the barriers are so, so low and there's unlimited bandwidth. And here's the beauty of that. In the past, if you had a show that got a million or two million listens every month, that still wasn't even close to big enough to get on one of the main networks. It just wasn't. Today, you have a show that's got a million, two million listens. You could go on whatever platform you want because anybody can and that's enough to produce a seven-figure business. Yeah, livelihood for yourself. You could build a wonderful business off of that. And the other part that I love so much is it's so free. I mean, this is one of the reasons why we liked it so much. A lot of people, a lot of our listeners don't know the original, like our origin story or whatever, but when we first started podcasting, we knew a lot of the stuff that we were going to say about the fitness industry would never get us on a big fitness platform because it was so counter to the fitness space. Well, especially in the fitness space when one of the number one sponsors for shows or anything, it would be supplements. Right. And most of them are bogus. Yeah, and they're going to be like, there's no way they're going to let somebody like us come out there the whole time. They talk shit about it. It's like, yeah, they're not going to be motivated. It would have never worked, but we were able to because we could say whatever we want. And luckily, we did it at the right time. This wouldn't have existed 15 years ago. Now we have cool sponsors like ButcherBox and Ned. Marijuana. Have you guys gotten DMs? I got a DM from this guy I was talking about. His son who has really benefited from using Ned CBD and he's a bit on the spectrum, but he's high functioning. But he said it's been really been helping him out. And I'm wondering if there's studies like that with... There are. There are, really. Yeah, there's studies on cannabinoids and ADD, the high functioning autism, other behavioral disorders. And they think it's because of the way the cannabinoids affect the neurotransmitters in the brain. So I'm going to get a little nerdy on this, but the... Ooh, I like it when you get nerdy. CBD and other cannabinoids, they act on the endocannabinoid system. And the endocannabinoid system is kind of like a... It's like a light dimmer switch. So what it does is it's like a regulator. So imagine you walk into a room and the light is too bright or it's too dark, right? You can walk over and adjust the dimmer to make it just perfect. Well, this is kind of loosely how a lot of these cannabinoids work. So if some things are firing too hard, too strong, if you have an imbalance or whatever, it almost acts like a balancer in the body. And this is why it's got the anti-inflammatory effects that it has or the enziolytic, you know, the anti... So here's a good example, right? So if you used like a really, really good hemp oil extract, right? Like we're talking about Ned. So it's really, really good. It's got a lot of good cannabinoids, third-party tested, no THC. If you take that, it's this interesting paradigm where it relaxes you, but you don't get drowsy, you know what I'm saying? Pharmaceuticals that are enziolytic that you take to help with anxiety, they tend to make you drowsy. Like if you take Xanax, you might not be a good idea to drive or to be at a meeting or something like that. Cannabinoids can relax people, but also help them with focus. It can relax people, but not make them sleepy. And it's again, it's because it's not like a big hammer. It's kind of like a dimmer. I like that analogy that you give, because this also explains why, you know, it's one of those things that everybody feels like, you know, the big joke is like, oh yeah, marijuana helps everything. But because that system is so abundant in your body, it can. It can. There's a lot of things that it can kind of dim up or down, right? Or change it a little bit. It's not going to shut something down or block it or stop it, but it can actually relieve a lot of different areas that you could be possibly potentially having problems with. Yeah. So like with inflammation, because I'll get a lot of messages from people who are like, hey, I'm using the hemp oil and I was using it for anxiety, but I also noticed my joints are less stiff. Like how is it anti-inflammatory? It's not anti-inflammatory like ibuprofen or a leave where that literally shuts down the production of certain, you know, signal signals in the body that produce inflammation. Like if you take a lot of Advil all the time, you'll definitely have less inflammation. But you also mess with the signaling system of inflammation, which is also important for things like muscle growth, tissue regeneration. This is why when people take lots of NSAIDs for joint issues over time, the joint actually gets worse over time because you need some inflammation. So the way cannabinoids work with inflammation is it doesn't shut it off. It helps regulate it so that it's at a healthier level. So it's not going to block it and cause those potential negatives. It's going to regulate it. So it's a bit more of a healthy inflammatory response, which is the good, it's a good thing because you can use it and not negatively impair like joint health over time or muscle growth and stuff like that, which inflammation is a big, you know, it's a big part of it. You mentioned butcher box. Dude, heritage pork versus regular pork. I will never eat regular pork again. Why? The taste. Oh yeah. I'm not a pork fan, but heritage pork tastes so much. Do you guys get the pork chops? I don't get them. You're the big one on that. I'm more on the burger and steak side of the red meats that they offer, but yeah, I've tried it once. I liked it. Try it, dude. You got to try it. I saw Doug eating them for lunch. What did you think, Doug? Yeah, they're great. How are you making them? Just pan fry them, basically. Yeah, that's what Jessica does. She puts them in a cast iron and then sears both sides and then puts them in the oven. And that's it. And she has this butter thing that she puts on it, but it's heritage pork that's the flavor and they eat differently. They feed the pigs differently. I was going to say, what is the difference? I remember you broke it down one time on the podcast, and I don't remember what the major difference was. It's the feed that they give them. I believe that has to do with the breed of pig, but the meat, it tastes so much, I don't know how to explain. It's almost like it's sweeter and richer, so it's just a much better flavor. That's interesting to me because one of the things about grass-fed beef, the beef side, is that it's not quite as flavorful because the meat's not as fatty. So that's one thing I always remind people, like when you eat grass-fed, if you like a real marbly rib eye, and you've had that at some restaurant, and then you try and compare that to grass-fed steak, it's just, it's not going to compare because it's unbelievably way more fattier than the grass-fed. So it's interesting that you say that the heritage pork has a better taste to it. You would think that it would have a similar type of an effect where it would be less fatty than regular pork would be. And so it would lose some of the flavor, but maybe because pork is so fatty already. I think this is naturally, this is naturally fatty, because the pork chops have a nice layer of delicious, I'm a big fan of fat, right? Yeah. It tastes really good. Hey, I found out why they're having issues with Google buying Fitbit. Did I say this already? Did I tell you guys? No, no, no. I told you, I brought up- I know that stock hasn't moved. Well, yeah, I know it hasn't. I brought up, okay, last year they bought, and that was part of why I was excited for us to invest. But they're being reviewed, right? Yes, and that's been under review for almost a year now. What is the deal? So Google owns- I'm so glad you found this. Google owns, let me see, their parent company, Alphabet, owns two pharmaceutical companies, or they've launched two pharmaceutical companies within the last six years. So one is Calico, and the other one is, I don't know what the other one is. Oh, Genentech, I think. I know Calico is one of them. I don't know what the other one is. But they own some big pharma companies. So I think the fear is that they have all this data on you, plus the watch, or the Fitbit, excuse me, that measures all of your heart rate, and all kinds of basically data on you. So I know, I get where you're going with this, but why? It's such a weird, weird. And what about Apple? I mean, they have the whole health kit and everything else where they're collecting all your health data. Yeah, but does Apple own a pharmaceutical company? Yeah, they don't have pharma companies. I'm sure they, well, yeah, I don't know about that. So is that considered a conflict of interest, or is it like the ability to monopolize something? Is that, I don't understand what the, what is the problem with that? I don't know, but my hunch is that it has to do with them then advertising pharmaceutical drugs to people based off of the measurements or targeting them would be my hunch. That would be my guess. But I think that's the issue. That's the reason why they're looking at them and not sure. So I wonder what's going to happen. I don't know. I mean, if they, if that goes through, because isn't Europe waiting? Aren't they the ones that are waiting? Yeah. I feel like the Fitbit stock then will take off, but right now it's. I mean, I feel good. I still feel good about the stock no matter what. I mean, it's at a low level. It's what I think it's one of the best fitness tools that are out there. Oh yeah. Yeah. They nailed the whole community aspect of it. It's just like, they pay attention to the things that you really need to pay attention to. Speaking of stock, you know, the Smith and Wesson stock, it keeps going up and so do other gun stocks. So I know we've been talking about how gun sales have gone through the roof. I have some numbers. You want to hear crazy? Yeah, I actually will see. So they estimate that about three million more firearms were sold between March and June in the US than typical months. So not. So the normal amount plus an additional three million. We are an armed nation. And the other statistics show that about 40% of those sales are new gun owners, which is almost double what it normally would be. And of those new gun owners, a big chunk of them are women. Speaking of gun, did you guys ever hear, what happened to the couple in St. Louis that came out in there? Do you know what happened to them? Yeah. What happened to them? I heard the, okay, you tell me because I don't know all the details. So I think it was the district attorney had their rifle seized. Yeah, like they went in and investigated their house, right? Yeah, took their gun. They're both husband and wife are lawyers. They are. Okay. They are. So they went in and took their rifle, their gun, which without due process, that's a... All sounds unconstitutional. Very, yeah, that's a huge infringement. That's great. And being lawyers, I would think they would never be able to get away with it. Well, they got their gun back because I believe the governor... Show your countersuit for sure. Yeah, I think the governor stepped in and said, no, you can't do that. And I think they got their gun back. So this may turn into a big national legal battle to watch to see... That's what I'm curious. I had heard some things that happened, but I wasn't sure of the story. And why would that even be under question? You know what, the whole story wasn't even told in the media. The media made it look like people were in the street outside their house and hear those crazy people with guns. That's not what happened. The whole thing is their property. So they have a massive property and it's gated. Right. And supposedly all the picketers were on their way to the governor's house, right? Is that what they were doing? Is that what it was? I think so. But so here's what happened. So their whole property has a big gate around it, big metal gate. The protesters broke through the gate. So then they were on their property when they were doing that. And he apparently heard them saying some pretty scary stuff and that's when they came out with their guns or whatever. Now, here's the other thing I'd like to say. They need to practice trigger safety. I mean, the wife was walking around with her hand on the trigger the whole time. I'm like, oh, man, that goes off. Yeah, right. This is going to be a bad thing. But the people broke into their property to begin with. They were not in the street off their property the whole time. So the media didn't cover that far. And what did St. Louis put laws like that with someone coming on your property once they're on there? I mean, they still have to commit some sort of violence towards them first. Because state by state it's different, right? Yeah, I think they're okay because they didn't shoot anybody. They just had their guns and it was on their property. Yeah. So they're just holding their ground. Yeah, I don't think they... I know, but what's interesting to me or what happens or what can they... At what point can they defend themselves? Like, is it after somebody... Some would like... Let's say they had bats or they had something and they were coming towards them. Do they have the ability to or do they have to wait till they get struck by a bat before they... Or do they have to have guns for them to then proceed? Right. It depends on the state. I don't know what the law... I know in California, if somebody's in your home unless your life is being threatened, you can't shoot them. Yeah, I know that there's been like situations where someone's broken to someone's home and then they sued them... Yeah, for getting shot or whatever. It's completely absurd. And then in other states, if they just set one foot on your property, you could blast them and then... Right, that's why I wonder what St. Louis is. Yeah, I don't know. I definitely fall on the side of... Because I have kids and if I see somebody in my house... It's a real threat. You know, and I'm not saying I'm going to shoot first, but if it looks bad... I'm going to shoot you in your fucking kneecap for sure. Maybe, right? And I'll take the risk of going to jail over that than my kids being... My kid being fucked. Well, you don't know, right? Yeah, well, that's what I'm saying. Someone breaks into my house, okay? I'm going to shoot you in the kneecap. You know, I may not shoot to kill because I'm not sure what's going on, but you have no business being in my house without fucking knocking. And we live in a text fucking world. You could text me before you come in my house. If I didn't get a text and you're in my house, that's you could shut the kneecap. Well, if I... I mean, if people are outside or in my home on my property and they look violent and they're protesters and they're yelling crazy stuff, I would have been out there too. You know what I mean? Being like, okay, what do I... I'm sure I would have been scared for my life. You see all these people out there. What are you going to do? You know? So I'm more on that side. First question is from Grant Satterthwaite. What are some of your favorite landmine attachment exercises? Oh, the landmine. That's a great piece of home gym equipment, isn't it? So for the listeners who don't know, the landmine, you can... You typically will anchor it on some weight plates and then it's something you can put a barbell in and then it moves in any direction. So one end of the barbell is anchored at the bottom and the other part is kind of standing up. And they have attachments too for squat racks now, which are pretty convenient where you can just put it at the bottom part of the squat rack. But I mean, there's some great exercise you can do, especially with rotational work. I mean, there's not a whole lot of options for rotational exercises in general. And I feel like this is one of those that provides a great option for that. But one of my favorites actually is when there's somebody with limited range of motion with their shoulder to get in a kneeling press, because you're pushing it almost on track where it's a bit in front of you. So you don't really need to be able to stabilize completely up over your head. So I mean, that's a good option to at least start building strength in the right direction. And that's something I like to do with it. Didn't you and Danny both do a whole series on our YouTube channel? I didn't, but... No, no, no, Justin and Danny. Yeah, I did. I did a few of them. Yeah. Yeah, some rotational exercises. And Danny did a whole series also. So if you haven't been... And we get stuff like this all the time. I mean, when you drop questions, like one of the first things you should do is go, well, to two things. One, use the Mind Pump Media app where you can search a topic. So if you want to hear us talk about a topic, there's a good chance we've talked about it already. And then if you want to watch or see something related, especially when it's exercise related, there's a good chance that we've already done a video or multiple videos on Mind Pump TV on YouTube channel. So, and I remember Danny did a whole series and I thought you had done some also. And then Matt's performance has, man, I tell you the reverse lunge to the presses. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Those are brutal. I get messages about that all the time still. And that was one of my favorites just to get like a full body experience. You're going to get all of it there. Well, it's such a good... It's such a great movement, though. I mean, that's what's... It was one of the exercises that I really appreciated in performance after going through it, going like, man, those are challenging to perform them with really good form. I mean, not only are they exhausting to do, but you're doing a unilateral exercise, so the stability portion of that with the shoulder press, for sure one of my favorite moves in that program. I'll say this. If you have a home gym aside from barbell, dumbbells, adjustable bench, and a rack, the next most important piece of equipment you can get is a landmine, number one, because it's very inexpensive. Number two, it takes up almost no space. And number three, the variety of exercises that you could do with a landmine are tremendous. You could do so many exercises. Now, one of my favorites, besides the rotational, I like the rotational movements because you can't really do those any other way. Maybe cables allow you to do that, but with free weights, it's kind of tough. But I like good old-fashioned rowing exercises with a landmine. I love t-bar rows, one-arm rows. I like... Single leg deadlift is awesome on that. Single leg deadlift, or a rear delt row on a landmine. I mean, it's a phenomenal hypertrophy, body-building tools, but not just like an athletic tool. It's also great for just pure hypertrophy muscle building. Yeah, I don't know what they call it, but it's like a transfer press where you're basically lined up sideways and you row, and then you grab with the other arm and press as you rotate with it. So it's just very high-functional, athletic-type movements are great. Next question is from Jazz Fitness. Can you discuss when supersets are appropriate and when they are not? Some people suggest they are only suitable for antagonist muscles. What is your approach to programming? Okay, so first, I'd like to start with the easy part, which is who supersets are not for? People who are overly stressed, whose bodies are very, very sensitive to lots of intensity, maybe people who already train a lot with a lot of circuits. You know, that style of training, a superset, probably not going to be good for you. In fact, you need to transition away from doing exercise without rest in between sets. You want to do maybe more standard strength training. So like if I took a client who is doing lots of HIIT training, lots of circuit training, overly stressed, under eating, that person would not be the person I would do supersets to. Now, as far as who they're appropriate for, supersets are great when they're programmed properly. And it's usually when you're transitioning from a traditional strength training, straight set type routine, then you go into the superset type stuff. And supersets are phenomenal for the pump. They really maximize the pump in ways that other combos of exercises don't seem to do. They were favorites. It's a favorite tool of bodybuilders. I know in the 70s, bodybuilders did lots of supersets leading up to competition because it would enhance the pump, have them be able to have more stamina when they're posing on stage. And there's a million and one different ways to apply supersets. As far as asking us about our programming on it, I mean, if you have our programs, we introduced that into Maps Aesthetic. Phase three. That's the first time that we introduce it, right? No, it's an anabolic too. Oh, what part is it in an anabolic? Phase three. Oh, phase three it isn't. That's right. You're right. There isn't. So, I mean, that's just it. It should follow that process, right? We do straight sets and you're doing heavy five, six repetitions in the first phase. Then you go to the second phase where we're moving to more like 10 to 12 reps. And then when you start getting into the 15, 20 reps, like this is where supersets make sense. Because you're chasing more volume. You're chasing more reps. It makes your shortening rest periods a lot of time. So this is where it makes sense to be programmed. But no matter what, if you do this, it's ideal, just like anything else, to be kind of sticking with it for about four, six weeks tops. And then you want to move out of it. It's a great tool that just like many other things we talk about on this show, but where the people that shouldn't be doing are the ones that tend to gravitate towards it. I remember getting clients that. The abusers. Yeah, that's how they trained. It was like a circuit. Just living it. Yeah, always back to back to back to back or even like tri-setting where they're going three extra, like little mini circuits the whole entire workout. It's funny you bring that up because I really didn't even do supersets until, I mean, we did some things like 21s and whatnot where it's like, you know, you're doing kind of like exercises back to back to back. But I never really did the programming of it until I actually started working out at 24 Fitness. And then Adam was my manager at the time and was starting to take me from, you know, this is now do this one real quick. And it just fucking blew me up. Like my, I remember especially on the chest exercises, I felt like I like mastered everything in terms of like bench pressing and then going from like a bench press and then doing a fly or like multiple push-ups right after that was just like so exhaustive, so new. Like it would just get to a point where I couldn't even move. Like my arms were so stiff and my chest was so stiff and it just had like great benefit. But it's really because I didn't do that at all. Like I just, I didn't do that. That was something that was a new stimulus. And so it definitely, it serves your body and then you can adapt to it, but then you need to move on. Yeah, so the, so when you do supersets for antagonistic muscle groups, meaning, you know, like chest and back or biceps and triceps, the value of that, especially for the large muscle groups, is it tends to help with form and function. So if I did like a good row and then went to a bench press. Did you say function? Function, yeah. You hit that, that was that free and slip. It helps you with your posture. Helps you connect to the back muscles as you're pressing, you know, that type of deal. For the same muscle group, so like if you're doing like one chest exercise to another chest exercise or one back exercise to another back exercise, I like to combine a compound with a single joint movement. So compound and isolation. And you can do one before the other or flip them. So there's different benefits to both. Either pre-exhaust the muscle with an isolation movement, move into a compound or do the flip, do the heavy compound movement, then move to the isolation to really squeeze more blood in the muscle. Those are really my three favorite ways to use supersets. Next question is from Fat Husband. Great handle. I like this guy. He's a good guy. What's one thing from the 90s era fitness that you wish was still around today and why is it Ultimate Orange? Ultimate Orange. For people who don't know, Ultimate Orange is the first real pre-workout supplement. They really were the first supplement that kind of introduced something into that class or market. And what Ultimate Orange was was caffeine, ephedra, and aspirin. It was the old ECA stack. Now, I... Can you still get a hold of that somewhere? I like the... You can get ephedra, but you have to get it. Yeah, I mean, Ultimate Orange itself. Can you still get it? Not the real one. No, you... I wonder if we could call Rich up and get like a little hookup. Yeah, a little underground ultimate orange. You still got it in Mexico. I mean, come on. He's got to have like fucking jugs of it somewhere laying around. Well, so here's the deal. Like ephedra is illegal now to be sold unless it's sold as a Bronco dilator. So you can still get ephedra, but you get it combined with Guaifinasin or something like that. It's a compound for your lungs because it is a Bronco dilator. So you can still get it. I used to love this stuff back in the day. I think I abused it to be quite honest. This was back, you know, I would take rip fuel and rip force and speed stacks. And ephedra, caffeine, and aspirin, they make you feel like you're on drugs. You know, you are. You are. That's why it's... It's weird how it feels that way. You're fast. You're talking fast. So what are you bringing back? What are you bringing back from the 90s? Oh, you know what? Okay, so let's start. Let's start with the exercise. I know what I want to bring back. Oh, you first thing. Yeah, I want to bring back MC Hammer pants. Yeah. I love those, dude. I love those pants. To work out in your... All around. I want to wear them, too. I had some of those. They're comfortable. They're comfortable. They're comfortable. Two baths, right? Yeah, and it had like these fish bones on it. I remember them vividly. I had a pair that like they velcroed in. You know what I'm saying? Like you just... You opened them up like this to get in and out of them. Yeah. And then when you close them, you just velcroed it in. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, dude. Looks like you took a crap. Hell of a legit. Yeah, super easy to get in and out. Too legit to quit. Yeah, bring back the MC Hammer pants. I, you know, okay. So I'll talk exercises. So this is funny. I've been doing this for so long. I see exercises fall in favor and out of favor. You know what was really in favor in the 90s? At least for the bodybuilding community. Behind the neck exercises. Yeah, yeah. Behind the neck pull downs was a big deal. And behind the neck shoulder presses was a big deal. And they fell out of favor. And that's too bad because I think that they have real value. Now, of course, you got to have good... Pull-ups, too. You got... Yeah, all that stuff. I mean, shit in the 80s and 90s, you know, you had Rocky doing, you know, behind the neck. Remember that scene from Rocky 4? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, I showed Jessica for the first time that whole scene? The whole montage where he's working out in the cabin. Dude, we were driving home and she plays I of the Tiger, right? And I'm like, oh, it's weird how this always gives me the chills when I listen to it. And I'm like, wait a minute. I'm like, have you heard the soundtrack to Rocky 4, the, you know, the montage of his training? And so then we listened to that and then I'm... And she didn't like get it, you know? Yeah. So I'm like, okay, you need to watch the clip. So I got home and I showed... She still didn't get it. You know what I want to bring back is everybody that thought they knew karate. Everybody in the 90s thought they knew karate. Because the karate kid, dude, that's what it did. Yeah, because Cobra Kai and everybody else. Like now everybody's like, oh, dude, totally do jiu-jitsu. I have a serious one for you for exercise. How about barefoot squatting? That was a big... Was that in the 90s though? Yeah, it was 90s. Well, I don't remember seeing anybody barefoot in the 80s. That's like 70s, bro. That's like Arnold did that. Oh, the maybe 80s? Yeah, maybe a little bit of 80s. Okay, so that's something that hasn't been... I mean, it's barely... It's like popular like with the functional community, but not the general population. I got one for you. Atomics shoes to work out in. Remember the bodybuilder? Oh, dude, look them up, Doug. You'll recognize them right away. Oh, yeah, I don't write it. They're like the white, like kind of high tops. All the bodybuilders wore them in the 90s. And 100% if you see them, you're gonna... I felt like I saw a lot more singlets back then. And they would lift weights and singlets. Right? Like with like AC Slater. Yeah, I am not... I don't want to be AC Slater. Lifting weights and something that's that tight on my stuff. Yeah, right? You're just, whoa. Yeah, cuz I'm just pointing out. Yeah, exactly. It's like, I don't see that. But the behind the neck exercises that I was talking about, they do require good shoulder stability, good mobility. You have to have a certain level of functionality. Do you see them? Yeah. But if you have those things, those movements have some real value. I still to this day do behind the neck presses at least once a week. I love the way they make my shoulders feel. Well, I think it's one of those things that... I remember I had to spend, I don't know, maybe a year of working on that. I was doing just the bar for a long time because I didn't have the mobility. So I think it's... We talk about the skill of squatting, right? Just because you can't do it very well doesn't mean that you should just avoid it. You should work towards being able to do it. I feel the same way about behind the neck exercises. There's a lot of people. In fact, a majority of people listening right now can probably not perform a behind the neck shoulder press. Not safely. Yeah, not safely. So that doesn't mean because you can't do that, that you just say, oh, I can never do this. It's like, okay, that should be a good... That's a good goal. And we always talk about how do you stay motivated to train and exercise? This is another example of that. You can get really boring, always chasing building muscle, burning body fat, building muscle, burning body fat, looking a certain way all the time. This is how I would take clients on like, hey, our goal for the next two, three months is to work on you being able to perform this exercise. This is really good for shoulder health. You can't do it right now. So our main focus is going to be that. And then you start programming all these mobility drills. And the way you test that is the behind the neck press. And the goal is to be able to do that. And then when you get to see yourself be able to do it, and then actually progress with load, it's a really cool accomplishment. And what it does for the body is incredible. Absolutely. All right, Doug's having trouble with the internet again. But I'm going to pull up. I'm going to pull these shoes up for you, Adam. It's a constant battle. You need to see. I know. I want to see if I've seen them. Oh, 100%. Dude, you'll remember these. I kind of feel like I see it. Do you remember the guy? Oh, yeah. Yeah. And they would wear them with the big pants. Those are back in style. They never left. Okay. Yeah, because look up a company called Rider Shoes. R-R-Y-D-E-R is a company that's all they do is make those. It's to make those kind of shoes. Yeah, yeah. Look at Rider Weightlifting Shoes. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. They copy the. Did you pull them up? Yeah, I did. Yeah, exactly. Bro, the Atomic Shoes, that was what bodybuilders wore in the 90s. 100%. And they would be different colors. They're super popular in the Instagram, Men's Physique, and bodybuilding world. Like that they sponsor all my peers. Yeah, I don't get that. Like special weight like shoes to work out or whatever. Unless you're like an Olympic lifter. Yeah. You know, otherwise it's something impressive. Just wear your chucks. Next question is from Junior G. With schools getting ready to go back, how do each of you feel about sending your kids back to school? Will you or won't you? Also, how do you handle this situation if you and your spouse have very different feelings and opinions about it? Wow, imagine being married. Imagine being married to somebody who like totally has a different view. I didn't even think about that. Like I have different views than some friends, which it presents its own challenges. You know, like we were all sitting around, like we have very different, this was this weekend, we're all together and one of the three friends is like super hardcore left. And you know, it presents itself with challenges, with conversations. Now we all tease each other and have fun. You guys are adults about it. Right, right. And have fun about it. But I mean, if I lived in the same house as him all the time and like every issue was like that, that would be really challenging to do that. I can't, do you guys have any friends that have spouses that are completely like polar opposite views on things like that? Yeah, sometimes. I think that's gonna happen with something at some point. You're not gonna have the same view as your spouse. That's why you have to learn how to compromise. That's like the big thing about being married actually, is learning how to do that because you're gonna feel very strongly about something. She's gonna feel very strongly. As far as the school thing is concerned, like these are the latest statistics or the latest numbers, okay? Here we are in California, right? California has got the second highest amount of confirmed coronavirus cases right now in the country. Said to Florida. And they're growing. No, Florida's not number one, but they're growing very rapidly. New York was number one, but California is probably gonna catch up here pretty soon. We still, as of the recording of this podcast, not one child has died from COVID. The statistically speaking, the death rate from COVID for kids is so small, it's hard to calculate. You're speaking as California just. I'm talking about the whole world. You haven't had a single kid die? No, in California we have. That's why I just asked. Yeah, sorry, I thought you meant the statistic. Okay, yeah. No, kids have died from it, but it's such a small percentage. The flu for kids is much riskier than COVID. It's not saying that there aren't kids that are gonna suffer from it. If somebody's listening and they know somebody, that really, really sucks, but the risk is super low. So, but now what they say is, it's not about the kids, it's about the kids getting it, and then bringing it home to grandma, in which case I say, yeah, you should definitely be careful around people who are high risk. The other part that I think we need to look at is we're not considering all the other health effects of some of these policies. Okay, fine, you're worried about coronavirus, so no kids go to school. These are developmental years. They're not being around friends. They're not leaving the house. Formative years. They're locked in the house. Like, that's not healthy for a kid. And considering the low death rate of coronavirus, and I think you're, it's more risky to force your kids to stay at home than it is to send them to school. That's my personal opinion. I'm not an infectious disease expert, but that's my personal opinion. Here in California, I mean, it just came out, right? So California is no go this year at all. Well, not this year, the fall or whatever. The fall, yeah, the start of this year. Yeah, the start of this year. The first few months is what we got so far, which who knows, I'm sure they'll lock it down the rest of the, you know, after that. But yeah, I'm kind of what you saw. I'm just like, I'm really sad for the kids that they have to now take on all these fears and everybody else's hysteria during their most formative years of where they're supposed to be, just focusing on what they need to focus on, which is getting educated, having community, hanging out with their friends. And so it's frustrating for me. I wasn't considering staying at home and like doing, you know, at home education, but now it definitely is something that makes sense. And so... You mean like pulling them out of the school? Pulling them out of school. Like what is the point of putting them in a situation where everybody is so hysterical about the way that they're handling objects? They're rubbing everything down with sanitizer and, you know, we didn't get any of this from the flu. Like this is just some, if you were sick, you stayed home. And then, and that was it. And so, you know, I just, I don't understand this. This isn't, to me, this just doesn't resonate with the way that I think about our body's immune system and being able to then, you know, overcome like these potential diseases that come our way. So it has, honestly, like I can't understand it. Obviously this is, you know, their reaction to trying to slow, you know, something that's spreading. But for me, to me, I think it makes more sense to keep them home, like keeping it in a safe environment, bring people in that can educate them to help. So we're looking at those options right now. Well, not to mention that. Sal talks about the unintended consequences. What about the, you know, play is a big part of school too. How many, and you guys now, you guys are fitness people with parents. So you guys are probably trying to insert, you know, activities and things to keep your kids active. But if, how many people in America are doing that right now? How many people are making sure that if your kid was playing at recess for 45 minutes to an hour every single day, plus whatever breaks they have and what it looks like for them and sports that they might have been playing, now they're not doing any of that anymore. Are you making sure as a parent to do that and what role does that play in their health? It's more than that. It's more than that. It's not just the activity. It's the activity with other kids. Right, right, interaction. Yeah, that's a huge, that is a huge part of the child's development. That's a good point because that was something that, remember, we were talking, I don't know if we shared this on air or not, but you know, we were having this discussion, you know, about raising our kids in this time with tech, right? And I was, you know, Sal and Justin were talking about how challenging it is to, you know, feel like you're constantly telling your kid, no, you can't have that and you don't want to be a tyrant about it. And I was like, come on, dude, are you really, is it really that big of a deal? Like I remember playing video games with my friends all day long some days and, you know, they're on vacation with us. Why don't you let that? And he goes, listen, if I, and this was Sal's response to me, is that if my son was playing with two or three of his friends, I wouldn't have a problem with it, but they're on, it's not, he's by himself staring at a screen all day long. He's not truly interacting socially with his friends and they're all playing together. He's just staring at a TV screen with some headphones on. And I was like, okay. It's not a real interaction that fulfills, you know, that sort of need that they have to connect with another human being. You know, like these virtual things are not fulfilling that need. We all have as human beings. And so we have to just kind of like fend for ourselves. That's where I feel like we're at right now because, you know, government is not gonna provide that for us. That's fine. No, the medical community, the child health experts are saying open the schools up. They're saying the risk of death with kids or serious complications from coronavirus for children is super, super low. The dangers of them not going to school are higher because again, these are crucial developmental years. Look, above all else, humans are extremely social. This is what makes, one of the things that makes humans unique is we're extremely social animals. We have very complex societies. It's actually deemed torture to isolate somebody. If you capture them in war, it's against the Geneva Convention. Here's what we're doing with kids. Don't go to school, stay at home all day long. Holy shit. Okay, yeah. Okay, maybe we lower the risk of spreading a disease a little bit. But what are the other sides of that consequence? Well, here, let me throw the other side to this, right? So this was a discussion this weekend and I told you my friends on the other side far left. He's also a principal to a high school. So he goes, the fear is not the kids. The teachers. Exactly. He says the fear is that the schools, first of all, are not structured in a way to like manage this. He goes, not manageable. He goes, the amount of kids that are coming in and out of these classrooms, the things they're touching and grabbing and sharing amongst each other, is he goes, just managing, keeping all that stuff clean and not them spreading it to the teachers. And then also even having to manage the teachers. He goes, I already see what I'm going to have to do. And he goes, I'm going to have to be the asshole who comes in the teacher break room and the four teachers are sitting around having coffee together and I'm going to have to go, what the fuck are you guys doing? Yeah, they're never going to be able to manage it. And so he's like. Any of these diseases. He's like, it's not about the kids dying from this. It's that them being carriers to the then teachers who then the teachers go off and carry it to other people. He goes, that is the greatest challenge that I'm going to have to deal with. Yeah, I know. He goes, my whole job is going to change from being an educator to being this guy who is constantly monitoring health safety. Well, it's ripe for disruption. Yeah, it is. And look, that's what I think too. I heard that. But look, in places where schools have been reopened, there is no evidence that it spreads the virus more. So that's not true. He told me that they're tracing back. Oh, God, I wish what country it was. And they're saying that the main reason why they're outbreak, they're tracing it back was because they opened up schools again. I wish I remember what country it was so I could so I could quote it better. I think it was Sweden. It's not Sweden. Well, Sweden wasn't fully open and you compare it to other countries and it's kind of the same. Maybe Doug and Gula, I don't know, looking for country opened up, blames school. Here's my argument. OK, my argument is not that it's not going to spread more coronavirus. My argument is, what are the unintended consequences and are those going to be worse? Well, you know me. I know. You know I agree with you. But what I'm doing right now is there's about 45% people right now that are listening to this conversation. That are going and I'm going to play that for you. Yeah, that's good. This is what this is because this is my best friend who is a vice or a principal of a school. He's on that side of it where he's like, it's going to be it's going to be a nightmare. If we open schools up, you're going to see this thing live under a rock. You know, the rest of your life or deal with the fact that you're, there's people that have gotten sick and gotten better. Do we forget about that? Yeah, we really forgot about that. Now we need everybody's protection for every step of every fucking thing that we do from here on out. Fuck you. Yeah. Oh, God. I'm done. Justin just gave me a direction. I love it when you get angry. No, I agree. I think these measures are being managed or should I say led by one class of expert, which is the infectious disease expert. And that's, they should definitely be in that conversation, but they are not including psychologists in that. They're not including economists in that. They're not including everybody. Let's look at the whole picture. No, I love that. That's a great, great point right there because that's what ends up happening is that this turns into just a, what's a healthier thing. And there's no debate there. Would it be more infections? Because here's the thing. I will agree to this. It would, for health reasons, the safest thing we could all do is go lock ourselves in our rooms for the next fucking two years. Just from the infections. Yeah, right. And no one can argue that. Now, but that is a fact of these, but let's think about how, and I like to take that extreme to get people, that's how I used to teach fitness, right, with the extreme analogies. I tell people like that came in, they say, hey, Adam, I want to lose 30 pounds as fast as I can. I say, okay, if you want to lose 30 pounds as fast as you can, stop eating, come in here every day and see me. We're going to run on the treadmill for an hour. Now you laugh and you think that's ridiculous, but that's the extreme to get them to understand this is not the way. This is not the best way for us to do it. There's other factors we have to think about. The same thing goes for this argument is, yeah, no shit. Wearing masks all the time, shutting schools down, all of us isolating would be the safest thing for this country. No shit. But we're not thinking about all the other things. We're not talking about the suicide rates going through the roof, depression going through the roof, domestic violence going through the roof, what's going on with our kids that are not going to be socialized for an entire year. There are other factors that you have to take into consideration that we're just not. They're not. And look, okay, I'll give you another example. Okay, we're in the fitness space, so I'll go with this one. So every year, at least 2.8 to 3 million people die every year from obesity. Okay, that's a fact. Every single year. Now from an obesity standpoint, would we save lives if we all of a sudden restricted everybody's food? Everybody was on rations and we eliminated all unhealthy foods and everybody was required by law to exercise. If you don't exercise, you get fined or thrown to jail. Will we reduce the deaths of obesity? Yes, we will. Dramatically. Is that going to be a good thing for our health? No, it won't. Health is a sphere. It's not just how many infections we get. It's also the psychology, your psychological state has to do with your health. Your family has to do with your health. The relationships you have, how you learn to socialize with people, how you communicate with people, your develop, how you develop, your, how you handle money is a part of your health. And they're not considering any of that. All they're looking at is the scary shit, which is the infections, and they're not considering anything else. My point is this. You tell kids they can't go to school, will you lower infection rate? Probably. Will you cause other consequences that may be worse than that? Also probably. I think so, and nobody's considering that. So that's just, you know, and that's from a personal trainer, fitness podcast host standpoint. So take it for what it's worth. Look, Mind Pump records on video as well as audio. Come watch us on YouTube. Mind Pump podcast. You can also find us on Instagram. That really, really awesome rant from Justin. Let him know how awesome he is. Yeah, bring it. Bring it. Save that clip and share it from YouTube. Go to Instagram. Mind Pump Justin. You can find me at Mind Pump Sound. Adam here. Adam at Mind Pump Adam. I am, if I am not a fully present father, if I am not a leader, if I'm not the king of my household, then it's going to show my children the example of the father that a Greenfield father is, and then they go forth and do probably something very similar to what I did.