 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mind pump. Mind pump. With your hosts, Sal DeStefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this episode of Mind Pump, for the first 30 minutes, we do our intro conversation. We talk about the Super Bowl. Recap the Super Bowl. Yeah, yeah. That's like basketball, right? Yeah, it's totally. Then we talk about rooting for underdogs and those who have stayed on top. Why is it that we always want the underdog to win? Why is everybody hating on Tom Brady? What's going on here? That's weak. Then we talk about Justin's Seattle trip, my Napa trip, and then Adams. Where'd you go, Adam? I went up to Bernardus up in Carmel Valley. Adams Bernardus trip. We really didn't talk about my Bernardus trip. We didn't talk that much. We talked at all, actually. We talked about the importance of good health for all of your relationships. Not just your relationship with yourself, but your relationship with your partner and your business and the people around you. We also mentioned Thrive Market. Now, we are sponsored by Thrive Market. If you go to thrivemarket.com forward slash mind pump, here is what you will get. One month free membership, $20 off your first three orders of $49 or more and free shipping. And then we mention Organify. They're the makers, of course, of the very popular green juice that we enjoy so much, but they have other products. We are sponsored by Organify. If you go to organifyshop.com, enter the code mind pump without a space, you'll get a discount. Then we get into the questions. The first question was, in our opinion, how important are all natural skin care and cosmetic type products like deodorant, face wash, and toothpaste? This particular individual is a struggling college student. Save money, have some stinky pits. Wants to know if it makes sense to save money and get the other stuff or buy the more natural stuff. We talk about that. We're getting drunk on Friday. Stay away from patchouli oil. Exactly. The next question was, as a human race, we tend to think we have all the answers and then 10 years later we find out, oh shit, gives us cancer or something else crazy. What do we think about stuff today? Like, let's speculate. What do we think that we're doing now that in the future we're gonna look back on and be like, you were wrong? The next question was, do we have any advice for people who wanna start podcasting? It's funny because I can think of three people now who have a podcast who originally were listeners of Mind Pump who said that our show inspired them to start their own podcast. Only three? There's three that I can think of. Oh, I know, at least seven or eight of those. And a couple of them are actually pretty successful. 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The winners are Stare 25, Going Yak Sauce, Richie Deila, Mike15834, and your pal, Julie. All of you are winners. Send the name I just read to iTunes at mindpumpmedia.com. Send your shirt size, your shipping address, and we'll get that right out to you. I want to get in on that Yak Sauce. Chicka, chicka, chicka. Oh, he's got the chicken now. Oh, boy. He's got the chicken now. Did you, I know you're allergic to sports, but do you watch the Super Bowl or do you not even watch the Super Bowl? I caught a glimpse of it. And then he broke out in hives. Wow. Well, this weekend I was in Napa and St. Helena with Jessica and we were celebrating our birthdays and doing that whole thing. And we went to a bar, not a bar like a restaurant, but they had a bar so I could see the Super Bowl was on. And when I looked at the Super Bowl, it was, there was eight minutes left in the fourth quarter. Philadelphia was at, I want to say 32 and New England was 33. I think they were only ahead by a point, but I guess apparently Philly won. Yeah, Philly won. It was an incredible game. They were behind by one and then they won, huh? I don't know if that's the way the scoring went or not, if that's correct. It was like really close. The whole game was close. The whole game was never, I don't think anyone ever was ahead by a touchdown. It was always, oh, actually I take that back. There was a 10 point lead that Philly had at one point. This is their first Super Bowl, right? Yeah. They never won a Super Bowl. Yeah, it's a big deal. I heard they celebrated by destroying their city again. I think it was the 60s they won or the last time they won. No, I don't think they've ever won. I don't think they ever have. I thought they didn't like the 60s. No, there's the, remember there's the Philadelphia Eagles story that what's his face played? Oh yeah, Marky Mark. Yeah, Marky Mark played that guy or whatever. But they haven't won a Super Bowl. Oh, yeah, well, congrats. But it was just an incredible game. I'm not even a Patriots fan or an Eagles fan, but I do like, there's a lot of my friends that are rooting against Tom Brady and I know a lot of people wanted to see him lose because they hate the Patriots, whatever. I'm the opposite. When I see something like, I'm so impressed by him and the Patriots as a team and as a whole and as an organization that I enjoy watching history happen. Like, I want to be able to say that I was alive and I watched Joe Montana, Steve Young, Peyton Manning and now Tom Brady, who in my opinion is the greatest of all time. And I don't think it's even debatable, but obviously there's still people out there like my uncle who likes to debate. That's what's interesting. People hate on greatness, you know? And it's like, I've always been the opposite. You know, like if you recognize greatness and you can see somebody in their abilities far surpassed everybody else's, it's for a reason. I don't know if it's so much that people hate on greatness as much as people like to see an underdog do well. You know what I mean? No, there's no, I think it's, I think- Because he gets a lot of love too. I think that's true too, Sal. I don't think you're wrong there, but I'm with Justin that I think that, look at it like how people even look at people look at not even sports related, just success. Like I meet somebody, let's use, we'll use Bradley Martin as an example because I think he's built his name and success a different way than Mind Pump has. I think a lot of people want to judge him that do it differently, right? And I've just never been that way. I'm fascinated by someone like that. I see someone like that and somebody else may watch their videos and go like, oh, he's doing stupid stuff or who cares and oh, they're gonna pick him apart. It's all small stuff though. Like if he was a real dick and he cheated like crazy, which I know there's people that'll say that he's done a lot of cheating and this and that, but for me it's way, way more challenging to always be on top. Right, it's so much harder. The underdog thing is cool, you know, but being on top and staying on top is way fucking harder. It's what the Warriors are dealing with right now. So if you watch the Warriors play sports right now or play games, you know, they are arguably one of the best dynasties ever right now or they're paving the way of being one of the greatest dynasties ever right now. And I've watched every game this season and it's crazy because every team, like they just lost the other day to it like an average team, Utah, Utah's a terrible team. But everybody brings their best game night in, night out because you're playing the fucking, you're paying- Everybody gets way more motivated. Right, because their team is gonna go down in history and you're at this time where you're at in your career on this other team, you, nobody knows who you are. Nobody knows about that team. No one cares about you, Todd. No one talks about them right now because there's nothing special going on over there. But yeah, if you could be the team that beats the Warriors because they seem to be so unbeatable by everybody, it's such a big deal. So staying on top is a motherfucker. The Patriots are the same way. There's a couple of psychological situations that happen with that. Like if you're the winner, the champion, I should say, if you consistently win, you've got a little bit of an advantage in the sense that you have this aura of invincibility or this- Self-belief. Yeah, and you feel that and your opponents may even feel that. They may even be intimidated by that. But on the flip side, if you're the kind of person that's driven by, beating the best, it may backfire. And the thing I think about underdogs is when you're watching a sport or a competition, and I don't care what it is, I don't care if it's a physical sport or it's business or any other thing that's competition, you as a spectator, you as an observer, you tend to identify with the underdog more than the champion because most people consider themselves an underdog. Most people don't consider themselves the best at everything, you know what I'm saying? Like when you see someone struggle from the bottom, you're like, you know what, that guy's just like me. Yeah, they can project themselves in there. And people, that's Americans in particular. I wonder if it says something about us though, like how you do view that, because I agree with that also, but I also, like with Justin, where I view an athlete like that and I'm more, I'm impressed. I'm not even a Patriots fan, but yet I like appreciate watching greatness instead of being threatened by it and rooting for them to lose. I'm rooting for them to keep going. I'm like, fuck man. Well, I'll give you an example. Let's say you're watching Fight, and I'm using Fight as an example because it's so clear. There's only two people, right? Boxing or whatever, MMA. And there's a guy that's just undefeated. You wanna see, or you'll love the person more if you see the champion struggle to remain the champion. Like if he goes through wars, but then still wins, then you're like, fuck, he's the champion versus he just blows everybody away and it's really easy. Still gonna get lots of respect and all that, but just from an identification standpoint, you wanna see that kind of challenge. A good example of that is when Muhammad Ali fought Chuck Wepner, which is a, that's a- Did you find the story on him yet? Did you watch it? I never watched it on him. Oh my God, you need to watch it. I know a lot about him because it was- Oh, you need to watch it. Cause I'm such a Rocky fan. You notice I've read about the story and I've seen the fight, the actual fight. You can watch the video of it where Muhammad Ali, one of the greatest fighters of all time. See the Brooklyn Brawler, right? No, the Brunck, the Brunctin Bleeder. Oh, Brun- that's what it is. Yeah, yeah. So he's the guy that was just, it was an exhibition fight and he fights, you know, Muhammad Ali is the best fighter of all time, arguably. Fights some regular dude, some regular Joe Schmo and everybody expects him to just beat the crap out of this guy. And the guy goes a whole distance while Muhammad Ali pounds on him and the crowd switched. They started, because at first they were laughing like, oh, Muhammad Ali against this guy. But then the crowd switched and started rooting for him And that was the story that motivated so I think I think more of that story, too If I remember correctly, I could be wrong here But I could I think that the promoters the way he even got that fight was they were I think it was either Rocky Masiano or another another there was a white guy that they wanted to fight Muhammad Ali and there was no other He was like the next best white guy available But he was not even in the in the should have been the next competitor even have a shot at fighting Muhammad Ali So he was already a crazy long shot. They just wanted to play the whole black and white card And so that was the whole idea of letting him even fight that fight And then he had to out of nowhere puts together like this amazing fight almost wins No, we like to see people who are like us So, you know every day people succeed, but once people succeed and stay there, we want to keep them down Yeah It's like a bunch of piranhas. You're not like us anymore. You know, I mean that's so weak It's but it's just I am I'm so story right, but you know what? That's I don't think that's everyone I think there's people like I don't I don't care for that as much. I love to see greatness I love to see somebody who continues to persevere through yet everybody trying to knock you down because like just said I agree like staying on top is way harder than the, you know, everybody's got him for you Right, right. It's it's way way tougher to do that pressure. Just you know, just increases substantially with every single bout You know, and it's I don't know I'd so I want to see how far they can stretch Right, you know, like our abilities as human beings. That's how I look at it, you know, like I want to see how great we can get Bro like individually and as a team Tom Brady is 41. How can you not want to see that guy win? Nobody's ever done the shit. He's done. Who's who? Well, that's the see that's part of it Like how do you not want to see him? That's true And that's part of it because he has this this symbolic weakness of age Now you really like I remember watching Randy Couture. I love Randy Couture First off the dudes are cool. The dude is just a hard worker But the reason why it's the root for him is because he was this old guy beaten up on these younger dudes He's supposed to lose but he keeps winning So it's more like, you know, it makes you more excited to watch this guy Kind of persevere against those kind of odds or whatever. Oh for sure And I'm just as much of a fan of him also. I just think it's so amazing to see it is pretty Guys like yeah at that level. Yeah the amount of work that has to go in just to maintain that body at that age 41 bro Getting hit in the NFL. That's fucking next level bro. It makes me feel like such a pussy I know I tore my Achilles all by myself all by myself Nobody's around me dude playing a pickup game. I can't read anymore. I got glasses, you know, where'd you guys watch it? We guys at home I actually only caught the last like the of the third quarter into the fourth because I was I was flying In still from Seattle. So I listened to a lot of it Like there was people that had it on their phone on their iPad and you know, and we're streaming it And so I was like over the shoulder looking, you know trying to and I was like, fuck, of course It's like a great game, you know, like super epic game for for a football game And uh, that's just the irony of it. But yeah, I did catch the last bit of it And it was pretty fucking gripping now You were in Seattle you had a night because we all did trips this weekend. Yeah, man What'd you guys do we See we just caught up the we did exactly what the plan was. I mean the weather was sort of Challenging but I it's kind of expected going into Seattle. It's not going to be like sunshine Especially in February 70 degrees. Yeah. So it was like we were prepared. We brought clothes for that So it was like totally cool It was uh, and we got a place off of east lake where we could walk and get coffee every morning and like, you know Check out uh some of the nature and um, we went out a few nights to different places I've met up with my cousin lives there and I don't know if I told you but so she used to live with me for like a Like five years when I was a kid and really exposed me to a lot of like really cool underground music and You know, like when I was supposed to be at church, she'd take me to like like, you know, like misfits concerts You know, and so she's like my cool family member that like I Would would take me to cool stuff. So I expected that from her. I put a lot of pressure on them Listen, this is your town. Like you take me out like like show me a good time And so Saturday night we we hung out with her and did some fun. Shit We went in all these different bars and then she took us to some place that was like Like I guess it's a thing to have like I felt like such an old old, you know, like you have like the kid section we were supposed to go to this Concert that was like like all ages and it was a bunch of teeny boppers and like we Hold on you said teeny boppers. They're a bunch of teeny boppers, dude You know, they're like they were watching I use that term too. Yeah the toasters, which is like a scoppunk band old school band But uh, there was only like two tickets left. There was like four of us or like, ah, fuck that So we ended up going to like her friend had some Rented some room and there's this whole building that's devoted to karaoke And so like you go in there you bring your own booze And you just hang out with your friends like 10 friends 15 friends And they have like a projector and like in this soundproof room Everybody's just like belting out whatever the fuck, you know, they just put on For karaoke even it sounds like totally lame, but it was like so much fun And we were just rocking out and you say karaoke. Yeah Yeah, Courtney was like, oh my god, it was just you and you and your wife, right? Yeah, that's good, man Yeah, we just caught out had had a great time just you know, sort of being adults again and like having real conversations and And uh, just getting away from everything. How long does it take you when you go on a trip? I was just gonna ask that same question. Were we getting bored? No Oh, well that didn't happen You know, were you like like first i'm sure at first you're just you're trying to decompress You're just talking about the kids and stuff like how long does it take before you guys are just you and her You know what I mean? Yeah, that took a while I mean it the plane flight helped so we I mean, we were just started to kind of Talk and stuff like she it she does like she's she hates flying And so she has this like really anxious nervous like energy like taking off So she like grips the fuck out of my arm and almost like gives me bruises She's like so like like wound up and so I I got her some some booze And then she finally relaxed a little bit and then um Yeah, and then we started to try and kind of talk a bit We fell asleep passed out and then um, yeah, you finally start to kind of get past work and Kid conversation and then we're like, oh, yeah, like you're a human being I used to date you You know like like we used to have this sort of chemistry and And it's like you just need new experiences to start kind of Resurrecting that you know that energy and so it took us to where it's to where we were finally like driving this piece of shit rental car And laughing about it because it sounded like it was gonna blow up Like it sounded like I was stuck in one gear and I'm like driving on the freeway And we thought we're gonna die because it uh It was just struggling at at 40 miles an hour. It's like And then I got to 60 and the whole thing started shaking and I swear to god I was gonna blow up. Where'd you rent your car from like bucks bucks rent a car. It's called pay less I was like honey, where the fuck did you like where did you get this from? What deal was this? Obviously, I've never even heard of this company this like Mazda Whatever car was just like a pure piece of shit like oh my god Like I thought the wheels are gonna fall off now When you when you guys both travel is the do the wives or the girls take care of the the traveling everything like Flights and where you stay and all that Normally like I don't know I kind of help her with that on a lot of levels But like this was all her because she was doing it for my birthday as like part of a thing that we're getting away So she kind of planned the whole thing So yeah, if it was up to me, I was like I only do enterprise, you know, like I'm I'm doing stuff that I know Pay the extra $50. I'll pay the extra. I'm not gonna we were like it like seriously like I was we were scared Yeah, doing like Jose's rent a car service Yeah, it was totally underground. There's like one person and you know, yeah, we have a car It's like one car available. He takes the key for the off his own key chain Yeah, it was super sketchy Super sketchy, you know, I I booked I scheduled everything that we did because we went to napa We did one of those resorts And got like spa treatment Man, what a great spa treatment. So this place that we stayed at the maritage They have a spa that's used to be What is it when it's underground and uh cellars like that's where they they would make the wine cellars Yeah, I kind of like that, right? So it's underground in these caves and this room that we had Had a jacuzzi the artwork was spectacular and it looked like a roman This is in your room or is this in the massage area? This is in the massage area It's a spa and it was a tub and so they let you go in the tub together and hang out and there's bubbles and Champagne and chocolate and whatever and then we got a massage together had a great dinner went wine tasting the next day Oh, here's what I did. That was fucking awesome. You guys have done wine tasting before, right? That's a lot of fun. There's a distillery in napa now that does uh like a tour It's the only distillery in napa because there was laws against them And so now they're going to be opening up more but there's only one currently And it's the napa valley distillery. I think it's called So this dude comes and so I booked it all I had booked it all ahead of time So we get to the resort Check in our room and then you know me and you know me and jessica got our Had a little bit of wine at the resort and then this limo comes and picks us up And it's this like 1985 Like old school limo blue with blue interior, but it was pristine. So it's kind of funny So it's old limo like wait, is that our limo and it's has the sign next to it I'm like, okay, this is hilarious. So the dude comes out and he's Dressed in that kind of I don't know what the style would be bartender steampunk kind of he's got a leather vest And he's got you know interesting facial hair and he you know, hello. Good day or whatever And he picks us up in this really old But nice and clean now was this part of the limo the distillery in place of that distillery Okay, so this wasn't like you you ordered a long no So it was a tour and so what they do is they pick you up in this limo we get in And it's so funny. I'm like clicking my seat belt and looking at the inside of the limo I'm like this looks like my grandfather's car. Yeah, you know, it's like and it was like high tech for its day You know, so I'm kind of checking out. We got a cell phone. It's that brick. Yeah He drives us to the distillery and he's going through and explaining the distill the distillation process Which was fascinating. He's explaining the science. He's like the most knowledgeable person about Spirits that I've ever met my entire life. Then they take us upstairs and they're having us taste all these different liquors and He's telling us about the regulations and rules and laws That exist in alcohol that prevent you from naming alcohols A particular name unless they're made a particular way or they're from a specific region Which I did not know so he's like this is this is a vodka But we can't call it a vodka because of this this and it was like ridiculous I had no idea there were so many laws to protect Makers of alcohol. So instead of naming it a vodka, they'd name it something else or this is a gin But instead of naming it a gin, we had to name it something else or it was really cool. So that's interesting Yeah, so and then there's this technique When you drink hard liquors that I did not understand so breathing Yes, yeah, I know that fucking didn't know that my buddy when we were in high school taught me that We used to do it in high school forever and you don't even taste the hard liquor So when you so when you drink hard liquor, first of all, I got you just brought me back to it Bro, so first of all, he says you're not supposed to like Leave it on your palate like like wine like you sip it and swallow it And then he says the burn that you feel is when oxygen Combines with something that's coming off of the alcohol that caught that it burns So he said what you do is you breathe in hold your breath Swallow and then breathe out your mouth right after you swallow And you'll breathe out that you're breathing out co2. So that prevents that reaction from happening So you don't get the burn, but then you still taste the liquor. I like the burn. So I fucking Fucking no man. It's that aftershave So I no worms you up dude. I for the first time in my life enjoyed the flavor ever I've never enjoyed the flavor of liquor So I actually bought some so it was a great time and the next day we did wine tasting and all that stuff But we had a good time, but I did come back with a bottle of Their brand of gin or whatever which is really fucking good gin, huh? I really enjoyed it. Yeah interesting Is that like an old man drink who drinks gin? Yeah. Yeah, gin's kind of an old man drink I mean if you get a gin and tonic obviously, but like a or like a martinis, you know There's that's kind of an old man status when you start getting martinis So I'm not gonna look like a dork. No, you're good. Okay. Gin's good. Gin's cool. Yeah Because ordering watermelon mojitos at the bars now that's something else That reminds me of uh, remember scrubs. You'd always order those appletinis Right if you're if your drink comes in umbrella, bro, let's see that cool. Okay, cool. Well, I found something now That's we actually we actually were uh, this place that we stayed Um, we sat down at the bar We went to we went to dinner like an hour or half hour 45 minutes before our reservations something like that And we're like, oh, let's just go sit and we'll sit at the bar We never he'll sit at the bar and just have a drink. We're not big. I'm not a big drinker Katrina loves a drink and You know, this place is a really fancy place. So the bartender back there Very educated been a bartender for I think 15 years or more with that And all kinds of fancy drinks. I saw I took a picture I don't know if you guys saw the picture But I couldn't even tell you the name of the two drinks that we made the stuff that I mean he was using like this, um Real blueberries that were like smashed up inside the drink that he was he was shaking up That would create like this nice pulp over it So the drink I had was like a blueberry and I'm sure there's someone on our forum that knows this stuff So I'll I'll get the forum will be all over this But he it was like an old-fashioned meets like this blueberry drink And he he asked me if I had ever had a a nagoni a nirgoni nirgoni you ever heard of that? Negroni, negroni. Yeah, I think that's what it's called So that wasn't the name of the drink But he asked me if I ever had that because there were some similarities to that drink to what he made because he made me his custom one, but We went to I got it negroni. Is that what it is? Yeah, so what would you say? Oh go ahead? No, okay? There you go. Yeah, so is that was not the drink Uh, but he's asked me when he was making the drink He's all you ever had a negroni and I was like no, but he's like this is kind of like that But we're gonna put our own little twist on it So he he created he created this with uh with a blueberry blueberry twist to it. It was really fucking good It was good. We had we had a couple that reminds me just because like uh when we went out to pregame before it went out There was we found this in near pikes place. There was there's a place that devoted just to moscow mules it was like all um, the entire place was about um Uh, whatever the ginger beer that they were selling there and so they had a lot of different variations of that But it was just like on tap. I was like moscow mules on tap Oh, dude, this is amazing and it was really good. I really thought you guys would appreciate it Yeah, if we went there So yeah, I was having some interesting thoughts while I was gone In uh, because I was thinking about um, because I noticed when we're on vacation when we're well rested When we're feeling healthy when we're taking care of ourselves Uh, you know jessica and I just we sync up so well like everything seems to match If I'm deficient in one area she seems to be stronger in that area and vice versa our You know our libidos tend to match whether they're both high or both lower. It's not one or the other There's lots of things start to sync up and I was really thinking about this and just Realizing that you know when couples really take care of themselves It's so much more likely that they're gonna be able to get along and kind of work together because Everything that you do you got to go through this kind of filter of your body And if your health is off If it's thrown off because you're not eating, right? You're not getting good sleep If you're stressed, you know in all these all these other factors are on top of you It's very hard for you to like you're not you're not talking necessarily to the person anymore You're talking to all this other shit that's coming out and that's why you get so many That's why sometimes it's so hard to connect with people. You know what I mean? And health is a big I think if if couples were just physically healthy I bet you it would cut a lot of their problems out just from that I don't think it would eliminate problems But their ability to deal with problems would be so much easier You know health and financial stability tend to be in my opinion two of the biggest things that cause major stress in people's life being unhealthy or financially unstable To at least in my experience the relationships that I've been around and seen and been in myself Those two things are the biggest factors of I feel like the synergy of the relationship like if Both people are healthy. Both people are pretty much financially stable There tends not to be a lot of stress on the relationship throw in one of those factors Or in some cases what happens to a lot of people both factors Where there is instability with health wise and instability financially And you've just got a and then expecting a relationship to thrive and grow and be healthy in that it's pretty fucking tough It's hard. But if you think about it, let's extend it even further if your health is bad And it's pretty hard to disagree that that won't affect your partner your relationship with your partner Like if you're both unhealthy, it's going to be harder to have a good cohesive strong relationship Now extend that even further if your health is poor Your relationships with your kid with your kids may be more difficult Your relationships now with people around you may be more difficult Your relationships with your co-workers your business I mean really if you're you're if you're in this body and you're moving around in this body Um, and that's your vehicle or whatever if you really if you don't take care of it I mean, it's like driving a car with dirty windows. You know, you can't see what's in front of you You know, it's it's it's this filter and it makes everything much more difficult So in this way and it sounds so like religious, right? But You know health and fitness are so important for everything not just for your physical health and fitness You know I'm saying right because I know when I have poor sleep and I'm not feeling good. I'm just way less reasonable Yeah, I'm just way less reasonable and I can identify it I can identify while I'm sick and after I'm sick but I or you know after I'm you know, my health is better, but Staying in that poor health state the longer you stay in it the less The the harder it is to recognize that that's the reason why shit isn't working for you Yeah, I mean it was very evident because we just went through a spell of of Like have had the flu and then my two boys had the flu And so like we just like I just started to get over it And then we took this trip together and like somehow Courtney made made it out without getting sick But um, yeah, like seeing the energy shifts like immediately and like Um, yeah, I know that I I could be you know hard to deal with if I'm going through that on top of like trying to You know manage everything that we have to manage like constantly And uh, so yeah, it's Man when when your health and in in your you're well rested and it makes such a massive difference like on just the conversations You have and like the energy demeanor you have, uh, you know in your household. It's it's it's crucial What do you think is bigger? Do you think health or do you think that financial stability for people? What do you think causes more stress another big one? Yeah, they're both huge, you know, I feel like I mean, I feel like they they're connected right because one can lead to the other like if you have Poor financial health that can cause lots of stress which can motivate poor eating which could Prevent you from being active and taking care of your body And then vice versa if you're really if your health is poor physically The obvious right it's more expensive Um, so you're gonna it's gonna cost you more money But then the not so obvious, uh the decisions that you tend to make when you're Not feeling optimal when you're feeling unhealthy or irritable or negative Um, you may make worse decisions financially you may buy shit as a way to Temporarily make yourself feel better You know, and so it's one of those and the reason why this is it was just something I was thinking about is You know, I've been thinking a lot about this whole, you know How sometimes people think it's so selfish to take care of yourself They'll say, you know, no, no you get all these other things to take care of don't spend time on taking care of yourself The irony of it is When you do take care of yourself and a real in the truest sense not just spoil yourself or whatever But really take care of yourself That you're gonna be better You'll be better able to take care of other things and the things around you, you know So it's almost like because that's the easiest thing that's in your control Because if you think of all the things in your life that you can influence Taking care how you take care of yourself is the easiest or at least the thing you have the most control over Maybe not the easiest because it's not easy sometimes But it's it's simple in the sense that that is directly in my control like you're not in my control directly But i'm directly in my control And so it makes sense to tackle that first, you know I mean, so if you look at your life and all the shit around you you look at your spouse You're like, oh my god We have a terrible relationship or you look at your business or oh my god I'm doing horrible and we're in business like if you just take care of yourself clean your own room That's gonna have a lot of effect on everything else and It's pretty crazy. I was just you know, I was thinking about that because it's like here we are we go on this trip We're rested relaxed, you know, we're healthy and it's like man. We're so in sync You know with everything and I feel like we can handle so many obstacles when we both feel good Versus when we feel bad. I feel like the smallest obstacles Just they're so hard to take care of when you feel like shit. So I agree This clause brought to you by organifi For those days you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition Organifi fills the gap with laboratory tested certified organic superfoods to help give your health a performance the added edge Try organifi totally risk-free for 60 days by going to organifi.com That's or gani fi.com and use a coupon code mind pump for 20 off at checkout First question is from maddie lee 217 In your opinion, how important are all natural products for your body such as deodorant face wash toothpaste, etc As a struggling college student I constantly switch between wanting to make sure I do well by my body and wanting to save money Now this is a this is a cool question because I feel like uh This is a lot of the thought process that I went through in the like the previous I think 10 years or so of like You know, oh, I know this would be more ideal for my body to take this in or do this But then you know, you go into some of these places Uh that are all natural or organic and the prices are just Outrageous and then I ask myself like You know, there's so many other parts of my life that I need to clean up and get better before I spend triple the amount on my shampoo or my soap or whatever, but things are starting to change Yeah, yeah the tide's turning and I mean we've seen that with thrive market and this is one of the things I've I actually got a conversation about this specifically because I I brought the dr. Broner's like toothpaste and like the soaps and all this kind of stuff and I never would have really considered Um, you know like trying to get these types of products because of that fact that it was like it's super expensive What's the point? You know, it's like not really affecting me that much, right? But once I started to kind of like go in that direction And you know having something that's a little more affordable now Like, you know, you can like opt into this and like get deals on on good product good natural products Like it's a no-brainer to me. It's just like one less thing that my body has to be exposed to so Yeah, it's it's so there's a couple things that come up for me when I hear stuff like this The first is when I hear people say It's too expensive and I want to save money Um, and I'm not uh judging your priorities. Okay, um, I just You have to be honest about your priorities because I hear people say this And then the same college student. Yeah, friday night goes out and has seven beers. Yeah And they've got their iPhone with all you know, happy hour You know, they're paying their phone bill and they're you know, they're spending money on gas and driving super far and doing all these different things and You know, so it's you got a question that like, okay, is it really a money issue? Is it just that you You don't value it as much as you pretend to It's the cost it's the cost benefit benefit ratio. So I get it even as a college student like And we're joking about the seven drinks friday night or going somewhere But she may value those things in her life and those experiences at that time in her life more than she does Saving or you know spending five to 20 more dollars on her health products So I could I could understand I could understand that to a point like there's still the Cost benefit ratio that you have to kind of go through your head You know, so I get where you're going with that But I also understand where she could potentially be weighing this out The truth is though that like with companies like thrive market it those they've they got rid of those markets The prices are prices are almost they're competitive. Yeah, they're absolutely competitive competitive to the point where they're actually better than some whole You know some regular products that you would buy it safely So, you know, if you're not using thrive market that in itself is enough reason just for that Because even if you don't shop all of your groceries through thrive A handful of products like the ones you're naming face wash toothpaste. That's what they that's the best things. I think Right, right. Yeah, you can you can pay for Their products through them and spend the same or less than what you would at Safeway for products that have got a bunch of The problem with these cosmetic products or toothpaste and deodorants and that kind of stuff is we don't Quite know How big of an impact they're having on us because there's so much stuff that we use Yeah, so we could test like one like just deodorant But then when you combine that with everything else that you're doing and then who knows what's going on And there are chemicals in them that do seem to have estrogenic effects on people and we can speculate and say Hey, look, you know men's testosterone levels have dropped You know considerably over the last 30 years sperm counts have dropped considerably over the last 30 years You know girls are going through puberty earlier Um, you know, then they have over the last 30 years. I mean all these different things are happening Is it we know it's got to be environmental, but how much of it is diet? How much of it is? cosmetic products, how much of it is in activity? Uh, you know, and is it you know, it's obviously the perfect cocktail of like all those things at once You know, if you were to eliminate some of these toxins, it's like, you know Your whole body is as as a whole would would benefit. Here's the way I look at it When it comes to food, so let's say you you like chocolate And you know chocolate is an ideal for you, but You also enjoy eating it and it's something you really enjoy, you know partaking in so Once, you know every couple weeks you have some chocolate Um, that's a you know, that's kind of a measured approach Here's a problem with like, you know deodorant and toothpaste and hairspray and stuff like that There you use them every day, so deodorant I'm going to be using every day probably since I'm 13 or 14 Until maybe the day I die or until I stop giving a fuck I'm going to be wearing I'm sure once one point when you at some point when you get older like I don't care anymore, but You know, you wear that shit every single day day in a day out So you have to add that in too you have to factor it in too So although the deodorant may not have as big of a dramatic effect as let's say a piece of chocolate will You're using it every single day day in and day out And if it contains something like an aluminum over the course of you know 10 years 15 years What what can that build up in the system? Some people say yes some studies will say yes So I I mean and the skin is like an organ like anything else. It's permeable. It does absorb things So for me personally, this is pretty important to me. I use these things every single day It's a priority. I I and it's not like that big of a difference for me If I brush my teeth with the natural toothpaste versus the other one deodorants I've heard some people say the natural ones aren't as effective, but I found some that are really good that that work really well You're probably not going to find a really good natural antiperspirant In which case though the argument can be made why are you trying to stop your armpits from sweating in the first place? That might not be a smart thing. Anyway, um, you know, so and there's other things that you know go into that so Um, I think they're pretty important Especially because you use them on a daily basis use thrive market. These are things you buy anyway Go on thrive market. I know we have a promo with them that will pretty much You know nullify the cost of the membership. Anyway, you'll be able to get these products for the same price You'll get them at the you know, they're they're non natural counterparts at the store And then you should be okay and then again as far as saving money is concerned the other point that I was making is Priorities like if you are spending money on going out to get a bunch of drinks And you're wondering about buying, you know, these cosmetic products You could also just not drink as much you do save money, but alcohol is going to affect your your health way worse So that's going to be better for your health invest in your health. Yeah, because that's the point I was going to make Well, that's kind of how I that's how I feel I feel like if you're you know, when there's certain things that I'm doing I am very aware of that I don't belong in my diet or they're not serving my body that are bigger rocks I tend to address them first before I go out and spend any extra money or even just any extra effort into getting something like that So I would you know, if you're if you're already looking into doing things that are healthier for body You got to really look at the rest of your day the best thing you can do if you're a college student I can pretty much guarantee you is focus on good sleep because I guarantee that's probably one of the worst things That college students have is is sleep get good sleep. That'll affect your health way more than anything else And it's free Next question is from Looney moment Individually and as a human race, we always think that we currently have our shit figured out then years decades or centuries later We realize many things we used to do or think were just plain stupid Any speculation of what you might be doing now that might be wrong later both individually and collectively as a species This is a very funny and interesting question for us to try and speculate on First of all, I think the things that That have been around for centuries are that we continue to do You know, I think those things like massage therapy. For example, like I've kind of proven themselves haven't they right? Like I think that that's been around forever I'm a huge fan of incorporating that into your health wellness lifestyle Whatever you want to call it like I think it's something that you should regularly do if you can afford to do it You know, I'm trying to think of things that May not make that big of a deal I mean the float tank that's been around for quite a long time and that's something that we've incorporated recently That could we could find out later on that that was a waste of time really? I don't know like I just it's it's tough to say what we're doing right now it's funny because when we think of evolution we think of biology the biological evolution right so like humans evolved the particular way to have particular features because it's Beneficial for our survival and nobody will debate that but you bring up an ancient you know technique for health Or an ancient ritual or something that's in religion that's been around for thousands of years that they say is good for your health and scientists or you know modern humans will question it and say how silly it is Not realizing that that is a form of evolution if something lasts for thousands of years throughout cultures and in religions and I'll give you an example in just a second If something has existed that long across cultures You know for thousands of years or even millennia Then it probably has got benefit. There's a reason why it lasted so long There's a reason why cultures continue to do certain things right and One example is fasting. Okay, so and I love using fasting because 15 20 years ago if I talked about the health benefits of fasting In any health circle any health circle that was modern. So the doctor Dietitians personal trainers fitness, whatever anywhere 20 years ago If I said fasting is very good for you. I would be laughed at they would laugh at me They would sit you're stupid That's baloney and yet fasting exists in every major religion So in religions were for you know for all intents and purposes That was ways of living and they existed the way they did because they worked because that's why they lasted so long They existed in every ancient culture in some form Philosophers wrote about them and yet we were so easy to write it off So I think those things tend to stand the the test of time What we have today with modern applications is we don't have the test of time So we end up figuring out shit that we think is awesome is bad pretty fucking quickly So like antibiotics and the way we used to just willy-nilly just prescribe them right vitamins Yeah, now we're figuring out. Oh fuck. We fucked up not have created super viruses, you know From doing all that super bacteria. What about other stuff? Okay, so Yeah, no, I was also thinking in terms of like I guess I'm very optimistic in in this regard, but thinking about like western medicine practices and how I feel like a lot of our Over prescribing like you're sort of alluding to but like, you know even for blood pressure and for Things that you know, we can manage within our own prevent preventative health practices I feel at some point because of all the data and all the initiatives You know all this this information that's out there that there's going to be a lot more You know like clinics and things devoted around preventative practice versus it's going to be scoffed at if like you're just taking a pill for it Like if you're being lazy about like, you know treating yourself So I got something for you guys that they'll so right now we're all going like biology direction, right? In human evolution. What about like Things that we're doing right now or using tech wise that I think we're going to look at and laugh at in the years I think What I I think this whole staring at our cell phone and computer or tablet all day long is going to It we're going to evolve beyond that and think what the fuck were we thinking for a gap there? We were all glued to this Electronical tool that started to fuck our posture up that started to fucking create bad habits and routines destroy relationships I think that because there's so much positive stuff that we talk about with tech and the evolution of that That we haven't seen the backlash of what's happening. I think books like the irresistible Which everyone's heard me talk about a million times I think things like that are starting to surface and come out and we're going to see more of that And I think the future me will look back at the me right now and go like what the fuck are you doing? We're going to replace that with glue do your I think it'll go be yeah, it'll be gone Okay. Yeah, so I think You know just my own like speculation is that you know with this augmented reality that they're working on I think that You're going to interact with your environment more than you're going to have a device So like walls you'll be able to at whatever point you'll be able to kind of like use it as a screen You know and just be able to see things and interact with it and like with your hands or You know a surface. There'll be more surfaces devoted to You know technology as opposed to like I have to have this thing constantly like I'm a slave to this phone Uh and looking down and my posture and all this shit is affected. Well, the question is that well that That's just becoming more plugged in right so I think yeah, I just don't think it's going to stop I speculated on a podcast just when we were up in in Uh On it that I really think there we're gonna in the future have this division of people Like you're gonna have the plugged in and you're gonna have the unplugged. I really believe that Right, because I think there's there's some people that aren't afraid of that that just think that that's the future Is we're getting closer to the player one type of mentality or that we're going to be all Like sarah gets where we're plugged in and doing this augmented in virtual reality And that's going to be the future and there's going to be businesses built around that Then I think there's going to be the counter or the revolt to that right the rebellion of that Which will be the people that are like listen, we've survived for thousands of years to now without all this stuff It's unnecessary. It's unnecessary. It's unnecessary and arguably unhealthy not only for our bodies our minds and Possibly our relationships. So I think there's going to be a lot of I mean If you try and take yourself right detach and look at yourself and think of like some of these days where You know, I do I catch myself Rounded over staring at my phone for sometimes hours at a time And I know that I've got to be pretty close to the norm of people that use these tools And I see it getting Accelerating at a very fast rate. It was only a few years back where it was rare to see somebody Holding a phone everybody now. Yeah everywhere everywhere everybody like so I think they're gonna view I think we'll look at tech So what's happened with tech reminds me of any time we have a new Innovation We overdo it and then we start to realize that we need to temper it Scaling down because here's the thing about humans humans have We're different than animals in the sense that we we Understand that we need to control ourselves in particular ways So like if you just put endless supplies of food in front of you know wild animals Many of them will kill themselves by continuing Humans we started to do that with processed foods easy access to foods like here you go everybody Here's all this processed easy food and we're just like cool We just started now. We're starting to look back and go. Oh shit We need to temper ourselves We need to we need to look at our food and start to pay attention to what we eat because this is something that we need To control I think tech is the same way I think same thing with antibiotics or anything else like we just talked about We've got all this tech in front of us. We're just you know gorging ourselves with technology And I think in the future we're going to be like, oh no You need to structure your time that you use it You need to structure time that you're off of it and it needs to be a part of your Lifestyle just like now a days versus 200 years ago. You need to structure your diet You know 200 years ago was basically eat what you had because that was it you might not get anything Well, it's there's a strong and I 100 agree There's going to be a split in a division with those two camps because there's still going to be a very strong camp That wants to innovate by all means necessary and like amoral whatever, you know directions they go with it It's going to keep moving in that direction And um, this is going to be one of those things where it's going to challenge humanity So that's where I think that's the big thing that I think is going to happen and hopefully we get to this point so The 20th century saw the largest reduction in world poverty That the the humanity ever seen ever like more We saw more advancements in terms of reducing the world You know poverty In the 20th century and then we saw in the previous, you know millennia of human civilization From 1990 to 2010 alone We cut a 1 we 1 billion people were lifted out of poverty just in that period of time And we're seeing a and this is largely due to the freeing up of world markets You had the fall of the soviet union you had opening up of markets You had communist countries like china adopt lots of free market policies So now distribution is better innovation is better more people are fed more people have opportunity to create wealth And so we're seeing this huge reduction in poverty and for all intents and purposes We Maybe even in our lifetime we'll see a point where Where poverty will be rare in the world and it might happen in our lifetime literally in the next You know if we live old enough we may see that happen You know by the time we're 70 or 80 where really you think that poverty we're going to see that It's happened that fast. We took remember a billion people from 1990 to 2010 Went from world's poverty out. That's crazy. We so the world health or i think it was Can't you also argued during that same time we saw them our population grow more than it's ever grown to It should have made it even harder, right? We still had more people It we still had more people to feed like by again for all intents and purposes We should have had more people in poverty. We actually had less and we had countries like china Dramatic reductions in poverty. Of course the us was already kicking ass. You had all these emerging markets My point is what I think may happen in the future And i'm hope i hope i'm alive to see this I hope i'm you know, I live long enough to see this but maybe it'll happen next generation or so Where we will see people are going to get what they want Where money isn't really a big issue people kind of have what they want and then people are going to realize That that's not the answer. I think that'll be a huge paradigm. Oh my god. You should have it I think well, look, wow, you've got wealthy You know wealthy countries where poverty You know Relative poverty kind of doesn't exist that much in countries like You know in western societies where people don't really starve, you know, of course we have poverty, but it's not A major horrible thing most people have what they need have food have shelter all those different things And yet we have mental illness going through the roof. We have you know People are not as happy and we know this in studies. We know that once people have and there was a number They actually came up with I think it was over 75 000 a year in america Once you make more than that you really don't see any increase in happiness We have studies on lottery winners We talked about this on the recent episode where people will win the lottery And for a year, they'll be happier and then after that they're right back down to their baseline I think we're going to see a world where because the whole world is starting to lift itself out of this state Where people start to get what they want We're going to realize This isn't everything like I thought this was everything and now that you know, I have food shelter We have all these other problems. We're not fulfilled. We don't have any purpose. We don't feel good And I feel like that will be a huge paradigm Shattering moment. We're starting to see it here in america, right? You're starting to see it now with people where People are buying more and more shit. They're like this isn't helping It's an interesting theory because I mean I do subscribe to the you know Tom bill you statement of that anything that can be free will be free in the future And I think we see that in our space already like just as far as information and knowledge I mean in the past you the the goal was to hold on to all that and then sell it and monetize it where now it's like Providing, you know, these people are providing so much information for free Uh, yeah, you know and then when you think of 3d printers and where that's going what that potentially can lead to Like if you have the ability to print whatever the fuck you want if you own one of those Then what's the need of going saving all your money and working so hard to go and you know Buy this expensive toy that you can now 3d print whenever you want, you know, so 3d print your own medications You know, you'll have self-driving cars. I mean, of course, we're talking way in the future, but The cost of of owning a car will be so much more expensive You guys see you guys see the um the taxis that the that they're trying to do the company is called Let me give the give you the name of the company that's doing this right now I thought this was really doing self-driving taxis. Where are they located? So it's a flying taxi. What yes, and it's already got a hundred million in funding So it's a five-seat electric taxi That's it's kind of like a cross between a drone and a small plane and there's Boeing uber and google are all heavily in this space right now as far as the race to getting this this thing done It's back to the future. This company is called jobby aviation. It's a flying taxi So jobby aviation is the name of the company that's doing this. There you go There there's a lot of regulation. They're gonna and hurdle they're gonna have to get through How crazy could that be that's gonna be so yeah, because I mean they're gonna have to have flight patterns all established like zones like All that kind of stuff because they can get like I mean Something that's that small that you can man and and like think about like how maneuverable Like landscapes gonna be well, dude as self-driving anything is gonna complete people don't realize how big of a disruptor That's the Jetsons bro. It's like the closest thing to Jetsons We didn't the Jetsons thing like had it really close dude But it'll be such a huge disruptor because Uh societies are designed around the car. Yeah, you have a garage Which is a shit ton of space in your home devoted to parking You have roads which take up a lot of space parking spaces time wasted in traffic The the productivity you lose from driving You know the car accidents the death the cost that that costs imagine imagine if imagine if we no longer Even want or need cars and you're your space in your house now Is the another room and then your driveway becomes a landing pad for your fucking your taxes bro? Why would you put it put it this way? So they've done some estimates and who knows what they'll actually cost But I've actually read articles what they say that they estimate that Driving to work and going where you want to go. I've seen it will cost you something like $2,000 a year Right and they're already able to pay for that You could do like a service where you pay $2,000 a year and you'd have access to do the math Do the math $2,000 a year versus owning a car paying insurance and buying gas You can't tell me that most people aren't going to be like fuck that. I'm doing that now think of Kids taking them places Think of the productivity think of when you're in your car Think of the inside of the car the inside of a car is designed around the driver But when you're no longer the driver well now it's an office. Let's get in the car guys It's oh, let's continue our work or whatever Traffic, I mean it's going to revolutionize and change everything So, I mean that's just one of the that's just one of the inventions that I think There will be a point like like I'll give you like a like a pie in the sky crazy Oh, that's something that I think we're doing right now that we're going to laugh at in the futures I think driving is going to be something that we're laughed at I think that's going to people are going to look at that like how dangerous I can't believe How dangerous how stupid you could have been learning for that hour while you were driving or accomplishing work Like it's so not productive then you have the people that go buy a corvair just to be an asshole But they'll have to drive on that's like Chances aren't my blow-up, but they can't drive on a road It'll be like when you want a horse like I can't ride my horse on the road anymore It's illegal have to go to a place where it's dedicated to horses. So you'll have your own I believe it'll be like tracks. Yeah. Yeah. You have to go to a track to go drive your old old You know Camaro and whip it around the track. Yeah, it's uh, it's it's an interesting. Hopefully my shield We would have money but let me paint. Let me paint the future. Let's say Let's say artificial intelligence is invented. Let's say machines do all of our hard work for us We're in the future Machines do almost everything for us now. We all think we all just get to do kind of what we want You know, we're free. There's lots of money because everything's so efficient and labor's done by my machines by us for us I bet you that'll be a paradigm destroying moment for us. Like we're gonna be like, okay Why am I still depressed? What does that look like? Yeah, why am I still sad? The question might be is will it drive more depression, dude? I think yeah, yeah, like less purpose, right? You don't purpose comes from think about it this way We know this because we're in fitness Imagine if people could snap their fingers and just make themselves fit and healthy Would it mean nearly the same amount? No way is if they had to work for it in the process is everything Everything it's everything. That's why I think and I mean humanity in itself We're always looking for the challenge and that's why I think that it does make sense that it's just so stupid that we want to go Like colonize mars like why you know Like why do we want to do that because purpose we need purpose We need something that drives us that's like super hard That it feels like it's impossible, but we can tackle this. What do you guys think about like supplementation too? I think like maybe in the future supplements will be like so Perfect for you genetic like so well no just even to like to be able to assess you Like if there was ability to be able to track like all the things that I eat on a regular basis Which do we we already have stuff to track these types of things that go back and say On a very regular basis adam you lack in vitamin this vitamin that would be daily Right, and it's just this is daily supplement that's made for me You wake up in the morning you poop pee give a little drop of blood and it's like Here's your supplement for today, right? Yeah, I think I pizza yesterday therefore you need I think organifies working on this I think that's why we I think that's why we signed with them right with us I think they're on the cutting edge of uh, of a health of fitness Anno technology dude I will say organifies one of the only supplements I travel with consistently the green juice is fucking great, man That's the only thing I actually on the regular. Do you guys do the same thing? No, we we had it this weekend We were in bernardis and we were uh living out of the hotel every Every meal for me this trip was in the hotel room. So we didn't uh other than that or go out to the restaurant So I never even left the the premises there and whenever I do that. I don't get enough of my greens So it's like a staple thing that we we take everywhere we go. So did you guys uh, so you guys eat healthy or what? Um, somewhat. I mean I I had the first night that I was there. I had the filet And brussel sprouts, but the brussel. Oh my god, the brussel sprouts were fried again fried brussel sprouts This is twice now brussel sprouts is in style. It's a thing now. I feel like it is You know, it's fun ever seen a lot of places for all you for all you kids that are like 20 years old and younger listening right now Let me tell you something about brussel sprouts. I have no idea. You have no idea the fucking crazy The crazy turnaround brussel sprouts whoever's in charge of the marketing for brussel sprouts Is brilliant because they're killing it right now when we were kids if you were going to talk about a gross food The food that you would use to exemplify that was brussel sprouts. All right. Here's a prediction Lima beans lima beans are going to resurrect that shit somehow I mean if they can do this with brussel sprouts, dude, think about it. How did they do that? That was yeah That was the gross. So fucking good. I got craving all the days were amazing man They had the the food there was just off the chart. So I didn't I ate pretty good the breakfast one morning. I had a um frittata, so it spinach had spinach kale um Eggs and dude, I had I had a burger. I had a burger one day So I did either I did crush a burger the place that ate at was uh farmstead in st. Helena. They had a burger that was I've never had to eat a burger like this. I had to open it up. I saw the egg and the avocado It was fucking egg in there and bacon and avocado and it was just oh my god. It was so oh here's another thing too That I had some this morning too by the way. Have you guys ever had um now? I can't remember death wish coffee. Yeah, I haven't had it. I've seen it. I haven't had it. Is it strong? Fuck yeah, it is bro. Sweet. So I drank my normal amount You bet your ass sir. The so this morning I had half the amount that I normally have because I learned my lesson the morning we went to napa I I know in the bot it says it's really strong. They name it death wish. So I'm like, okay But that's probably you know marketing. I mean, how much stronger can they make a natural coffee bean? So I had my normal amount and I was fucking I was beyond stimulated. It was like a little too much almost had an anxiety attack driving I was in the car I'm like, why do I feel like I'm running? I'm driving somewhere right now. That shit. Have you had it yet? I have it. It's at my house. It's it's my go-to when I'm out of chimera Oh, yeah, it's my go-to. It's not my favorite tasting and there's other coffees that I like that. I actually like the taste Yeah, it's all right. It's good. It's not it's not good I mean, I don't think chimera is the best tasting coffee either like I drink chimera because the way I feel from it It just yeah, I definitely have have noticed a significant difference with that coffee Then I have with any other coffee with the crash like it's inevitable almost every other coffee that I even the ones I really enjoy the taste that there's this kind of dip afterwards Seattle amazing Yeah, I had a really good nitro coffee at this one place but What I tried one day because it was all cold and dreary whatnot I saw I went for a hot coffee and like a latte And I hadn't had a latte in a long time and they had one special one that was just like It had cinnamon and like some orange zest with it And I've never had something with like an orange kind of aftertaste. It was fucking amazing I had it like the next two days in a row and it was just like the the aftertaste of it was amazing I just I couldn't even describe it. Yeah. Love it. Good stuff Next question is from doc sass What advice would you give to someone who wants to start podcasting or what do you wish you knew before starting your own? Don't do it It's so oversaturated now run for the hell everybody's doing it now and we're very pro that I think it's funny We have peers of ours that you know, I feel like they grumble when they hear Oh, you know, so many people are now podcasting there, you know, and some people want to be Yeah, like I'm the opposite like the more people that get into podcasting the better It is for all of us because it's just giving more awareness. They're trying to get more people into do right I think it's a stan like honestly if look at it as a website, you know, like if you don't have your own voice out there Like in audio form Then you're gonna be way late to the game So you might as well think about it It's interesting to see what we see happening right now with business and advertising and and this kind of where we're With a future where we're heading like, I mean, I really believe that I mean Television ads are on their way out. I don't know if you guys saw to the Super Bowl is also was also tied to youtube. They're You guys see that netflix Did you see every did you see every platform had their commercial? So you had hulu had their movie Uh, um netflix had theirs amazon prime and you they all had their own movie premiere I love it. I was guys. So you see you see what's going on right now with all these all these businesses are all becoming very competitive in this space and TV is gonna is gonna die man So I think podcasting, especially if you subscribe to gary v You know would tell you that voice is the future And that that's how we're gonna do because we're not gonna have to want to look or we'll get something It'd be just be able to hear it. Yeah, you know, wherever we're at so you could multitask and do something else It's grown so much over the last few years. It's absolutely insane radio will be gone No one's gonna want to listen to radio because you'll have all your music Through streaming. It's amazing to me that radio still exists right now with pandora and with spotify And what the fuck as soon as cars, you know as soon as cars make the full full switch That's it which most of them are almost there And most of them are starting to look like an iPad or what that so Yeah, man, if you want to get into podcast, I will tell you some things That I uh that I wish I knew I guess it doesn't matter if I wish I know Because probably if I did know this it might have stopped us from doing it And then maybe we would never were there because sal talks about this a lot like there's a part of our You know blind faith that we had in ourselves going into this that probably we were Unconsciously incompetent right podcast, right? We did not we did not know how challenging it could potentially be And there is there's a lot of pieces. There's a lot of moving parts It's hard to break through I think, you know, I'll tell you what it's definitely hard to break through Here's some advice. I'll give you right away Make it sound good and what I mean by that is not just the content of your show Because everybody thinks content is important and it is very important But if your sound is shit And there isn't a nice produced intro or something that sounds professional in the beginning and at the end You're gonna get drowned out very quickly because there's so many people now Yeah, entering into the podcast space now that a real easy way to separate them when you have all this You know content in front of you an easy way to separate through as a consumer You can't listen all of them is the professionalism. This one sounds good. It sounds clean. It's produced This is one that these are the ones i'm gonna pay attention to It used to not be like that the irony of that is it's it's pretty fucking obvious when you think about it because That's the same as why it would be important for high definition or 1080p Watching a video or a movie like you wouldn't go watch a movie It could be one of the best movies of the year But if someone shot it in 480 or shot it in like poor resolution, it would kill it It would kill the movie and so when you're talking about audio There is no visual involved with it with podcasting So the listening quality I think it trumps almost almost trumps content Because you could you could probably have because it's an automatic obvious It's an automatic shutoff right as soon as it sounds shitty people turn it off. So That's a differentiating factor right if your show sounds better and the quality is better That is going to be an advantage and so you got to think about all these things these differentiating factors like What's the flavor of your show? What is different about your show than everything else you've heard? And you have to figure that out going in I think that's a the way to approach it as opposed to just kind of Rolling with it and then figuring it out obviously like that was somewhat of our approach But we really did have a clear focus of like what we're not hearing out there And what we really wanted people to hear so there was a clear objective Well, I also think too a lot of people that start podcasting do it to complement a business that they already have And we didn't really we built the business around the podcast and the podcast had a mission And the main mission is to was to add value to people's lives right through what we thought was missing in health and fitness So I think having some sort of a direction of how are you going to Add value to other people's lives and whatever your space is or whatever it is that you have to communicate You've you need to be providing a certain value could mean it could be entertainment could be comedy It could be something like that that be some a lot of people need that there's a huge Or whatever whatever it is You need to be able to add value to someone's life to get them to continue to Subscribe and come back and listen more and then from there You can probably get creative and find a way to monetize that and and make money from that And if you do get into it thinking that advertising money is where you're going to make most your money That you're more than likely going to fail heading in that direction That's not to say that people don't make a lot of money in advertising But you know being completely transparent about this business and I'm looking at our our stats right now It wasn't until just three months ago Did mine pumps start making enough money in advertising that it even helped made a difference that it made any sort of a difference Yeah, the little bit of advertising money that we were getting the previous three years Uh, isn't enough for any one of us individually to even come close to surviving off of so You know, it's barely even getting to a point that it makes a difference in the business So if we would have got into it thinking that hey, let's build this big podcast And then eventually we'll have lots of advertising. We would have we wouldn't elast it. No, it'd be there's no way Yeah, yeah sound is not that hard Just get a quiet room You can use blankets on the walls to to dead in the sound The good news is equipment's cheap nowadays like the equipment that you need to record a good podcast now may run you Maybe a thousand dollars at the most You know 10 years ago that was you know 10 20 thousand dollars for the same kind of equipment So equipment is inexpensive Um relatively inexpensive Make sure you have a dedicated space to record and then here's the other thing too is When you're listening to a podcast, uh, what keeps you engaged is if the person is conversing If it's a flow if it's not this Structured talk like remember when you when you think about when you were when you had a class And there was a teacher that was Disengaging with the class and and having a good time and passionate you were very engaged now Think of those times that the teachers were had a slide up and were like did it did it did it? Did it? I mean it totally was disengaging You don't want to listen to it and you just didn't want to pay attention So whatever you're saying on your I think a lot of people when they start a podcast they think I have to deliver So much information But really it's it's more important that you communicate a little bit information well Versus communicating communicating a lot of information poorly You know if I can communicate one point, but do it in such a way to where you understand what I'm saying You feel what I'm saying and I impacted you That is way more successful than if I just give you 15 great pieces of information But none of them connected with you. None of them impacted you This is a lot of what we saw wrong in in ours or what we saw is we could come into our space And you know when we first started all of us looking at podcast Like we were all kind of interested We all had our own little podcast that we listened to that had nothing to do with fitness But when we looked at the fitness space, which all of us would consider ourselves experts in that field Right, we've all got tens of thousands of hours under our belt of training clients and managing gyms and being in this industry When we looked at the fitness space in podcasting We we weren't that impressed there wasn't somebody that just stood out And that's not to knock on any of our friends that are great podcasters within the fitness space I there was just nobody that I listened to that I went man I would listen to these guys or girls every single day because They're providing what I want to hear and what I personally wanted to hear and I think that's all of us agreed That's like, you know, I wanted to I wanted to be entertained and listen and enjoy a podcast But then at the same time to learn a little bit and get something from it There just wasn't a lot of that there was a lot of one or the other We felt like there was a lot of purely entertainment type of podcast and there was pure education There wasn't kind of this natural blend of great conversation where you could learn a little bit along the way But then at the same time to enjoy great dialogue in our space There just isn't a lot of a lot of that there really isn't there's not There's not a lot of people that I would even consider our competition now I think it's beginning to become competitive and I see a lot of people starting to model their style of podcasting around that But in our space, I thought there was a lot of room now I don't know what this person does For a living and what kind of podcast you're in but I definitely would evaluate The the space that I'm entering and what I see Lacking and then I would want to mold my my content in my show Around whatever that is Versus what I see a lot now is people know that oh god podcasting is the next medium Oh, I hear all this now. I see a lot of businesses that Hire some random host and then they have a podcast that compliments the business and it's like Then it turns into like a commercial every episode and nobody fucking wants to tune into that That's why they don't they're not very successful podcast Because not that many people want to just just hear a fucking commercial every episode and I you know to Here's a here's a slight knock on what I see with the on its podcast You know when we went over there and we spoke on uh their facebook Every fucking question was a supplement question And that what that tells me is that much of what gets communicated on there is all about their supplements Or else you wouldn't be driving only those kind of like literally we it must have had 500 something people engage On that live facebook thing that we did and 95 of the questions were all surrounded around supplements Now that to me is an example of when you have a podcast that supports your business Where most talk is around that now Aubrey has his own podcast where he goes all over the place and provides lots of really cool Guest on the show and he talks about a lot of other things. I think besides just the on its supplements But I think that's one of the and I think Kyle's taken in that direction of away from Not away, but making it its own show. You know what I mean? And um, I've listened to you know some of his episodes and he's doing that But yeah in the past. I think it was just a lot of it was just a commercial Yeah, it was just a commercial to to advertise their product, which I think a lot of businesses do that But I don't think it won't grow massive that way right next question is from lauren bergman Healthiest and unhealthiest sport for your body um Well, let's start with the unhealthiest, uh, I think we all agree that all of them in One way or another in extreme forms. Yeah, yeah Well, I think all of them can be argued healthy and unhealthy. Right. That's what I'm saying There's there's healthy every sport has its benefits and every sport is going to have its its drawbacks right so The unhealthiest there's the easiest one for me to pick would be boxing I'd say Probably the unhealthy. I mean if you're actually boxing not if you're mma right not if you're just you know hitting the bag and hitting the mitts But if you're actually boxing in the ring That's got to be one of the least healthy sports because of just getting punched in the head pure head The whole time and uh, you know the term punch drunk Uh is a term to describe what a boxer who's older than say 30 Some of the you know the ways they move and talk and it's an old term And we know now that it's it's brain trauma boxers don't typically have good lifespans. They typically don't have You know good mental health after they finish boxing You know even some some of the guys that we grew up with like Evander holyfield like you hear him talking He's like fuck man. You can tell that he's not You know the sharpest very few of them seem to have kipped themselves pretty well, uh, george foreman seems pretty fucking sharp still Um, I don't know. I haven't seen him recently, but I know when he was selling the george foreman grill It's like, uh, everything looks good there, but I'd say boxing's got to be for me the most unhealthy I'm gonna I'm gonna agree with you because right now I can't think of anything off the top of my head that probably has You know, there's probably sports that have higher Yeah, I was gonna say like higher risk sports like extreme sports if you lump those in like, um Basically a lot of the yeah like bass jumping. Yeah bass jumping is one of them. I was gonna say or or yeah like the um Yeah, because you die, uh, but yeah the other one just like a lot of the motorcycle Um, you know freestyle stuff where you flip yeah x-game stuff where I mean, I don't know any one of those guys. It hasn't had multiple fractures And you know, like like humongous injuries. That's a good argument. Just and I you know, because boxing Probably has the the most long-term Detriments to to your body like because of that repeated blows, but you don't see a boxer every week going down with like a broken I think most pro skate boarders and uh Motorcycle cross x-game cross guys will tell you they've had like 30 broken It's just one slip up in your whole body I think travis pristana one time did talked about this. I think he has a hot get at 150 surgeries or something like that I mean, that's so we have to add it all up. It looks pretty grim So we have to look at it this way we have because because you're right because if we start doing that God, that's gonna be a difficult one. But if we look at it like Those are accidents. So when you hurt yourself in skateboarding and motorcycle riding You're kind of making an act, you know, you're in an accident. You you don't do the trick. You're not It's something that fails In boxing You can kind of make that argument, but you can also make the argument that that's part of the sport Like you're going to punch people in the head and you're going to get punched in the head It's not like you fell like you didn't do a trick It's like this is what we do This is part of my sport or you could approach it like me whether or not get hit in the face if you took if you took um Right if you took the success of the sport like that right if you were completely successful as a Boxer and you were always successful as a motocross guy and you didn't ever miss and of course boxing is Football would be another one. I mean football. You are going to for sure hit. There's going to be collisions. There's no way around Yeah, and that's got to be one of the top ones because what was it? What did they say? What's the average length of time? 55 years old. Well, that's their age. That's the average lifespan But once the average length that someone is a pro football player, isn't it something like four years? Yeah, a couple years. It's like super short, right? I thought it was three the last time I checked I think it's super short like you just don't last that long playing football So healthiest i'm going to go with swimming Swimming I feel like that's that's got to be close, right? Because you could freestyle swim forever Right freestyle swimming just the way it incorporates the right amount of resistance, right gives you some resistance It gives you some endurance and an argument and I feel like it's uh Probably the most balanced too as far as giving giving you in balance like a freestyle swimmer Is probably not going to create a lot of muscular imbalances as a lot of other athletes, right? So I think well if you mix up your strokes. I have a client I used to have a client that I trained for I trained for about seven years Old guy 71 now still works out by the way the fittest fucking 71 year old you'll ever meet in your entire life And what he's done for the last I want to say 40 years Okay, so he's done this for 40 years and he is Dogmatic about this. He's a single man never been married Uh, and he's just very he's got his routine. He's very disciplined Every single night for 40 years. He swims for between 60 to 120 minutes straight So non-stop and what he does is and this is how he hasn't developed imbalances Is he cycles through all this all the strokes? So he'll go like freestyle backstroke. He'll do butterfly He'll do breaststroke and he cycles through them. So he's always moving in all these different directions For 40 years. He's been doing it. So I think if you swim like that, that's gotta be Which I think almost every if you're a swimmer and you swim like you do most all the yeah Yeah, you do most all stroke So I would that would be my bet at the if I had to say the healthiest sport that's out there I would say I was gonna say golf But yeah, you you're just so like one sided with the whole like experience like you're definitely gonna create Uh imbalances and that's the challenge of most all sports Is that you're you're gonna I mean if to be good at a sport Where it requires you to do something repetitively over and over most things that in sports that you do Shooting a ball hitting a ball throwing a ball Um, mechanically or is not advantageous for the body long term, but I think that Swimming in my opinion is probably the most balanced Movement that you maybe rock climbing if you're not like super extreme with it You know just because of the the way that you're incorporating your entire body Well, then there's a lot of 80 year olds Plus the plus the plus the risk factor that comes with rock climbing You would make it lose to swimming, but I just don't see a lot of 80 year old I see a lot of 80 year old swim swim every day and very fit Don't see a lot of I'll tell you a sport that is actually great if you do it, right? You could do forever's Brazilian jiu-jitsu I would say jiu-jitsu was one of the ones I was thinking about up there like because you're gonna be Still hard on your joints. Well if you do it, right, it's great Because you're on the ground. So it's not like judo where you're fucking throwing each other or wrestling Where you're doing all these crazy explosive takedowns. You're on the ground if you fight smooth and use technique It can be something you do until I mean, I know helio gracey did jiu-jitsu Up all the way up until the day he died almost regularly and of course he changed his style and stuff But that's what's good about jiu-jitsu is that you can do that But I'll say this right now the healthiest thing if I had to pick one thing to do for the rest of my life It's a very easy pick for me That's resistance training nothing comes close because resistance training is as brucey brucey would say like water I can modify it. How are the fuck I want right? I could make the weight heavier lighter I could do mobility. I could focus on this exercise that exercise Oh, I hurt my knee now. I'm going to do this particular resistance training or I did this I could You can modify that for anything and it's the one form of that if you had to pick just one And mainly the reason why I think it's so awesome. There's two reasons one It's the form the single form of exercise that directly counters The things that happen to you as you age So as you age hormones change bones get weak. You lose mobility. You lose strength metabolism slows down All those are directly combatted with resistance strength like reversed right with resistance strength The other reason why I think resistance training is the best form of exercise for longevity Is because there is no form to it and what I mean by that is there is no Like if you do yoga, I can't just get up and do random bunch of stretches and say it's yoga A person who's training yoga will look at me and be like that's not yoga I can't just make up a bunch of shit and say I'm playing football or golf or You know swimming, you know, it's people would say we're not really doing The technique that classifies it as the thing you want to name it resistance training There's a bunch of exercises, but it's limitless to how you can put them together modify them So because it's so formless It's so individual it's you can individualize it so much. Oh, I I think nothing comes close I think we all agree that but it's not a sport though. So yeah, we yeah If it was if lifting weights was considered a sport, who do you guys think is the most? This is going to be a tough one the most the best all around athlete Like all around like a person like who I yeah like agility strength stamina Like if you had to like if you had everything who do you think would be I would love to see LeBron James LeBron Oh, you're naming a person. I was naming. I was naming a like a sport that would do it Yeah, just the off of pure specimen of like what an athlete that's what he looks like. That's me too Yeah Because like I just feel like I could put him in all kinds of different directions as far as sports are concerned Right. I think I'm called the craziest. Well, like yeah, I bet you he could throw a fucking fastball I bet you could hit the ball probably decent right if he has some sort of hot hand-eye coordination But even not that's a skill that he could develop He could jump out of the building so he would probably He could probably make it he'd probably make an amazing tight end in the nfl And he's big enough to be able to probably I mean the guy's freaking I think like olympic weightlifting when he'd be at a disadvantage because of his height and everything But he's super strong. So I mean you'd have at least like a good deadlift. Yeah I was watching we had lunch at this bar While I was up in Napa and I was watching on the tv. They actually had collegiate wrestling on I haven't seen it in a long time Love watching it and there were these two guys wrestling one guy Was from I think he was Ohio. Anyway, these dudes were definitely like 220 pound dudes They were big freaking dudes and they were grappling and the flexibility and dexterity and stamina these fucking big Mooses and they were moose like you see their hands and their necks But the dexterity and flexibility I was watching these guys like They try and take each other down to grab a leg their hip would internally rotate To a point where for sure would tear my knee off 100% like if my leg is turning that way my knee is torn These are big fucking dudes and they're so flexible the dude's leg is bending over here But he's still maintaining his balance and he's gripping or then they get real low underneath the other guy and the stamina involved I was like damn these guys are Kind of have everything stamina strength flexibility mobility like ridiculous, you know wrestlers have got to be up there Yeah, they've got to be up there with that. It's a good but I can't think of an athlete I don't know sports like you guys do. Yeah, I was living. I was thinking more of a specific actual athlete Yeah, an actual athlete that I could see crossing what the way I was trying to answer that question was What athlete do I know that I think could cross over the most important in anything? Right, they and even if it's not anything right because obviously lebron would suck at something Or maybe he's suck the tennis, right? But even then even then I can see him hitting the fucking of a tennis ball You know say like so he just to me he's he's an example of just this genetic freak of us I could guarantee if he gets in the pool he'd be able to swim out swim a majority of people I guarantee that He's strong. Is he he's I think six well look at his stats. That's six eight six nine He's yeah, he's like six six eight or six nine and he's like 250 plus You know basketball players are so different today than they did 30 years ago. Oh god But you're so symmetrical did like in lean muscle wise and like like explosive six eight mobile You know like his movement is really fluid What's his weight too? So it's hard to argue somebody that has a better like 250 six eight, you know back in the braw 30 40 years ago Those guys were like 200 pills to move the way that he moves. That's why I'm so I remember I remember the different That's a giant and I know I'm yeah, I'm a terrible example because I'm nothing like the specimen But I remember when I sprouted my uh my junior year in high school I shot up like six inches. I was before that was a point card So I was like five one to five three and then all of a sudden I was like six foot tall, right? And man, I just I was a different person now I literally was like I and I from being somebody who played sports communicate. Yeah Person who played sports his entire life. I had to like to move this new lanky body around It just was I lost I was never the same fast quick agile kid that I was my freshman year and before It completely changed me completely and it was a weird I mean I stopped playing soccer because of it. I was a better soccer player than I was anything else And then when I got lanky I became a better basketball player than I was a soccer player And it was a really weird transition for me. I can't imagine Being six foot eight 250 and then I I know what my body felt like when I was 240 I couldn't get I couldn't get 50 yards without that's just a giant human being right like a human being that large That can move that fast jump that high. I mean it's just bro his wingspan is seven feet It's it's unreal. He's got a seven foot wingspan. Right. Imagine him boxing you Imagine boxing him like he's gonna fuck up a lot of people, bro Bro, he could he could sit across the room and slap you without getting out Right like I think he would definitely be able to play a lot of sports and and dominate, you know, it's Basketball players to me are very very fascinating because unless you've been to a game up close and see them Like you brought it up sal the other day How often do you see a freak show how often do you see a seven footer? I challenge people say how often do you see someone over six five? Yeah, that's the entire NBA by the way, right? How often do you see somebody over six five and 200 pounds? You just never you just never see that I remember in jujitsu. Yeah, we had this guy who came and uh signed up for classes and he was six Maybe six four, but he was 300 and something like 30 pounds Just a big Human being and he was a canadian pro football player. So he wasn't even NFL he had played and he wasn't like a starter or anything He just played in the canadian pro football for a little while, right? So he's obviously a good athlete and here he is. He's 330 pounds or whatever and never done jujitsu before And this fucking dude would do cartwheels and do jump flips and and I remember watching this guy And it really hit me at this moment like there's a there's a different breed of humans on earth Oh for sure that is a big person who If you wanted to catch me normally when you see a big person like that You think yourself like yeah, if you wanted to get me he couldn't because I'm too big. I'm way faster No, no, he could catch me super easy like a bear like he could catch me need me if you wanted to It was really interesting to watch him move In jujitsu and I used to find so at this point I had been training for a few years And when I'd go against him I would beat him barely But it was all technique and I'm not a weak dude. I'm strong, but he was this just this Behemoth and very athletic such a huge role. He wasn't even an NFL player. You know, have you guys have you guys seen pull up? St. Brown boys St. St period brown boys. There's have you guys seen these three boys? No. Oh wait till you guys see these three boys so these three boys One I believe is a senior in high school. The other two are going to one goes to usc and the other one goes to um Fuck Notre Dame. I think yeah Notre Dame and all three of them are You know 4.0 gpas All all of them d1 d1 schools star players for all for all their their football teams The high school kid just took them to a national championship the two football players are just like star wide receivers for Notre Dame and usc And then the father literally talked about when he chose his wife he he he he chose He chose his wife for breeding purposes. Oh my god. He talks about it in this interview I saw the other the other day it was it was great And and so and they also speak three languages. So the mom handled all the academics. She's this brilliant german woman That's them right there. Yeah, that's three of them right there She's this brilliant german woman. And so she handled all the academics with the boys He handled all the sports and they turned these kids into these fucking Brilliant phenoms dude. Damn They're like they had like a serious plan going into that's the future of selective breeding And you actually listen to their interview and talk to them And it was what was fascinating because I know right now somebody hearing this is going like I bet they have all these problems And I bet actually Not they seem very normal as far as the way the kids are now that's just so married Right parents still marry they they speak very highly of the dad They said that the way that because they think it's very odd that all three of them ended up being Why receivers for football they're like, well, did your dad tell you to be This why they're like no he asked us what our dreams were and what we wanted We all said we wanted to play in the nfl So he says I will do everything in my mission as your father to help you get there And so he was like every day practicing every day They were right because you never hear that story always hear the one where they're like breaking them Right on there like like adam every single day to be the best and you know That's that's the resent that comes after that. Hey man. It's genetics It's like when you have those musical family the jackson five right They're all super talented in music or whatever But you always hear like crazy stories like that and the father was abusive And he was like, you know And that's what drove them to sing these songs that all this abuse that they abuse they have Where it so far like okay, of course, it's early in their lives. They're only you know, and we don't know That's great. It was great to counter that like that you don't have to have that formula right and I it was Why I was really into the interview was a really good interview. It was a real sports with brian gumbo And you know, they did this whole interview with the parents They did the interview with the kids and you listen to it and you think fuck man This is this is really cool because I think To justin's point that people do they always they assume that oh, if you know These parents are just like like trophy kids that what's his face did that one documentary, right? That's like they these parents that they're they're they're they're Imposing their insecurities and what they wanted for their lives on their kid Which ends up resentment and all this later where it doesn't sound like that these kids are like This is really what I want to do and whatever it takes to get to the nfl And my dad's been teaching me and leading me the way and I mean it's it's a pretty cool story That's what you guys have never heard of him the st. Brown's St. Brown brothers. That's awesome pretty cool. 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