 Run it up, do run it back, run it up, do run it back, run it up, run it back, run it up, run it back. Happy morning. What is today, Tuesday? How is it only Tuesday? That is weird. This is Run It Back on FanDuelTV in our special time this week. Lou Will, Miller Parsons, Michelle Beatle, Shamsherania coming to us from Chicago. You guys are wearing all black again. We need to really coordinate this. And it's actually cold in here today. It is. We're gonna wear a nice pastel or gray today because I'm not seeping pastel. Hey, you know, I never usually wear, like, I love baby blue, but I can't wear it because I sweat so much. And that was a little bit about Chandler to start the show off. So we're gonna get things started with some basketball. No games, of course. That doesn't mean there's not stuff to talk about with our scoops of the day. Mike Conley with an extension yesterday, Shams. Talk to me about that. Michelle, two years, $22 million extension for Mike Conley Jr. That puts him under contract through the 2025, 2026 season. He's making $24 million just this season. So he's gonna get 22 million over the next two years. He's 36 years old. And for them, the Timberwolves, they acquired Mike Conley at the trade deadline last year for D'Angelo Russell. And I've heard words like God sent, steady hand. He's been essentially a guy that has allowed Anthony Edwards, Carl Anthony Towns, Jalen McDaniels, Jane McDaniels, and Rudy Gobert to play their roles. He played with Rudy Gobert in Utah. And I think that cohesiveness, his impact, his leadership, that's all played a part in why Minnesota now is looking up and they're one of the best teams in the league, competing for the number one seed in the Western Conference. And Mike Conley Jr., he's been discussing an extension with the Timberwolves for the last few weeks. He wanted to be in many, that's where him and his family are comfortable. And now looking forward, the Timberwolves have Anthony Edwards, Carl Anthony Towns, Rudy Gobert, Jane McDaniels, and now Mike Conley Jr. all locked in for the next several seasons. And they're gonna be a second apron team. This is a team that's gonna be heavy into the luxury tax, paying the luxury tax the first time in almost 20 years. So for the Timberwolves, this is their team. We'll see how they do in the playoffs. But getting Mike Conley Jr. locked in, who Chandler is very familiar with, that was very, very important for Tim Conley and the Timberwolves. Yeah, to have someone like that on a team like this that has the best record in the West, second best in the league, how vital is this? It's super valuable and I love him. He's probably the best teammate I've ever had. The dude couldn't be nicer. He works hard. He's so professional. I'm extremely happy for him. And this just shows you that character does matter still. When you look at a guy like him, he's never gonna ruffle any feathers. He's never gonna be late. He's gonna come there. He's gonna work hard. He's gonna still play well too. The guy's still averaging the 10, 11 points, five, six assists. He's solid. He's healthy. He's proved that he can still compete and still be a starting point guard in this league. So when you have a team like this that's trying to contend and trying to continue to grow and develop chemistry, there's not a better guy to lock up than Mike Conley. So I'm extremely happy for him. This is someone that you want in that locker room with Anthony Edwards Development, with Carl Anthony Townsend. Really go bare this nucleus going forward. There's not a better leader, not a better guy than Mike Conley. So extremely happy for him. Right. He just, he brings stability to the table. You know, you always need a guy in the locker room that's gonna be even killed cause you're gonna have highs and lows throughout the course of the season. So having Mike Conley and having him there, especially when you have such a young nucleus of guys and have an older veteran guy that can still play by the way and not just have a presence in the locker room. He's gonna give them that. So I think this is a great extension for the Minnesota temple was moving forward. And you know, if I'm Chris Finch, I'm like, hell yeah. Like this guy, this is another coach out there. This makes his job even easier cause Mike Conley is that floor leader, that general. He's not the most vocal guy. He's not loud, but he gets his point across. Everybody likes him. He's the greatest guy ever. Like I've never heard one bad about him. So again, super happy for him. He's 36 years old and getting the two years back. Right, that's nice. And he's already made so much bread. Mike, you are rich, my friend. Keep going. You're winning, I love that. By the way, is it weird that the Wolves are where they are and yet the other three teams in the West, Clippers, Nuggets, Sons all have better odds to win? This feels weird now. I think it's a talent thing, right? You look at, you look at, Yeah, you look at Denver, proven champions. You look at Clippers, loaded, and then you look at the Sons, D-Book, Bill, and Kevin Durant. The star power is one of the things that we always talk about on this show and all three of those teams have it. They have experience. They have older guys in Minnesota, locking in Mike Conley. That puts them in that conversation, but you know, come post season, they're gonna have to prove it. Yeah, there's like a trust factor there. It's like Cleese went in the East for me. Like I love their team. I love their talent. I love their coach, but like I gotta see him do it in the post season. I'd love to see Minnesota. Same with OKC. They are on the rise. They have talent. They're so much fun to watch. I need to see them knock off of Clippers. I need to see them knock off of Phoenix Sons with all this explosive offense and all that experience. Because as much as we like them, if you put it on paper right now to Minnesota, Timberwolves versus Los Angeles Clippers in a seven game series, Clippers in five or six, everybody's gonna feel like it's gonna be Clippers. So for them to be taking serious, for them to have the seasons that they're having, and for that to translate, they gotta knock off some of these big time teams and playoffs. All right, Sean, we've got the Nets with the news yesterday, of course, firing Jacques Vaughn. Kevin Oli will be the interim coach now for the rest of the season. Any chance that's a long term thing or no? Kevin Oli could be part of the process, but the Nets are gonna have a full blown coaching search in the summer. Sean Marks is now on his, will be on his fifth coach in eight plus years as GM is running that organization in Brooklyn. That's a lot of head coaches. But look at Kevin Oli, 13 year NBA career. He's been known as a leader, he was a championship coach at the University of Connecticut about a decade ago, winning a title, NCA title there. He was a finalist for the Pistons job last year that went to Manny Williams. So Kevin Oli has proven over the course of his playing career, as well as his coaching career, that he can be a guy that's looked at as a leader of men, a good ex as a nose coach. Now he's gonna have an opportunity for the second half of the season to really bring accountability and structure to Brooklyn. We talked about a lot of the issues that they've had so far this year, guys that have come out vocally behind the scenes. So what happens to several of these players' roles? Cam Thomas, Ben Simmons, second half of the year. But McKill Bridges, that's the one cornerstone that they look at in Brooklyn. So how do you surround him with the right pieces? You're familiar with Kevin Oli, right? Absolutely. You guys play together. What kind of leadership is he bringing? So when we talk about a Mike Conley type of guy that brings stability and brings accountability, Kevin Oli is the consummate of that. I was blessed to have him coming in the NBA as a young 17-year-old kid and having a veteran like this on countless amount of occasions after practice. Young fella, let's go get some extra shots. Young fella, let's get some sprints in. Let's play some one-on-one. Let's work on this. Let's work on that. He did that for me my first two years. Being in, even to the point, he would go in the family room, grab my friends, grab my brother. Like, yo, come on, we going to chapel. Young fella going to chapel. He's that type of person. And when you talk about communication, somebody that's going to be very vocal in what he wants, what he expects from you, Kevin Oli is going to bring that to the table. So for the interim, I think this is a great decision. Hopefully it works out and he sticks around. Yeah, I like this hired. They don't need like a Doc Rivers type. They need someone like this that's been in the college game with the U-Com and the championship. I think he was at overtime elite as well. So he knows how to develop guys. He knows how to rebuild. He knows, and that's looking like that's where Brooklyn is heading towards. So I don't know him very well, but I've heard nothing but great things. Not Lou said that. I'm not for this. We're going to take a look around the league. This will be fun. So while in Indy for All-Star Weekend, LeBron was asked about how much he's got left in the tank and how he wants to finish his career. Here he is. I have not mapped out how many scenes I have left. I know it's not that many. I also don't know if I will, I was asked this question a couple of days ago, will you kind of take the farewell tour or will you kind of just Tim Duncan it? I'm 50-50. You're taking a tour? I don't think he knows what 50-50 means because there's zero chance in hell. He's not taking a farewell tour. Am I wrong or am I wrong? You're not wrong. I mean, what? Which he's taking a tour. He's taking a tour. And by the way, he should. He might take two. Yeah, he should. Listen, he's arguably the greatest player of all time. I think when you're in the league that long, you develop a lot of relationships that he might never see these people again in his life. So for him, I think he's gonna do it because he wants it, his people, his family, his team. They all want it. Again, he deserves it. But on the other side, the fans, the ushers, the other locker room attendants, guys like that on the opposing room, they have a relationship too with him where like it means something to him. And again, they're never gonna see him again. So there's no way he's gonna Tim Duncan it. That's just not fair. It's zero. And I guarantee you it's already mapped out too. He's a savant. He knows every, he's playing chess, not checkers. Why does he even say it though? Like you know you're gonna have a farewell tour. You know you are. Yeah. It's gonna be a parade and a party. He wants us to tell him to do it. That you earned it. You deserve it. I don't know. Because listen, you never know when he's gonna end. And I learned that from Kobe Bryant, right? And Kobe's last season when I was with him, his whole thing was he was dead set on competing at a high level. That's how he started the season. That's how he was training. That's how he was getting ready. 10 games in, body starts breaking down. The whole, the completely different aspect of the season changed and how, what we were going as a team. It was completely different. We went from a team that was developing young talent and Julius Randall, D'Angelo Russell and those guys too. Hey, this year's about Kobe. This is a farewell tour. Let's just go out and play as best we can and this is about him. And so, Bron, I think he's still in the mindset of thinking I don't know when it's gonna be over. You know, I'm gonna compete at a high level as long as I can and once that day comes, I'll cross that bridge when I get there. So I'm kind of buying this take from him because I don't think he really knows when he's gonna be done. And at the rate he's playing too, it's impossible to predict, right? If he keeps doing this again next year, like we're talking about a two or three year deal. Like he is still going. He's still a top 10, top 15 player in the NBA age. So like, how could he know how much longer he has? You know what I mean? Us watching, we have no clue. I agree with that. I don't know that he knows when he's calling. I just don't know when, but he's definitely gonna be celebrating. 100%. When it comes down to it, I don't care if it's 20, 29, there's gonna be a farewell. 100%. In every single season. With gifts and parades. Let me out, it's gonna be exhausting. What city will have the hardest time? This is easy for me. Is it? I don't know about Chandler, but it's Orlando. You remember you took that big crap on Orlando and said if they traded, if he ever got traded to Orlando, he would get retired. We don't care about it. That was a crazy shot, so I think Orlando is the team that's least excited about LeBron retiring. You know what's interesting? Who's his rival? I mean, he's moved around a little bit. He doesn't really have a rival to me. I mean, Conrad's in my ear saying Boston. Like Boston maybe, just because he did battles with Miami and with Cleveland, but I don't really know a rival. I know it's gonna be tough for Cleveland, it's gonna be tough for Miami just to finally say goodbye in the Lakers, I guess. Oh, see, I have a theory on the, hold on, hold on. Also, I'm, I think he already owns part of the Cavs anyways. Well, no, because here's the deal. He was also talking about where he wants to be basically when he walks away from the game, which I thought was an interesting thing to ask in the first place. So here he is first, and then I'll tell you. But I am a Laker, and I am happy and been very happy being a Laker the last six years, and hopefully it stays that way. But I don't have the answer to how long it is, or, you know, which uniform I'll be in. Hopefully it is with the Lakers. It's a great organization, and so many greats, but, but we'll see. I don't know how it's gonna end, but it's coming. See, I'm rolling. I'm not. I think Kevin Durant is like a thunder. I think Mike Conley is a grizzly. I think LeBron James is a Cleveland Cavalier. I think it's where you start, and where, yeah, like, do you sign the one day thing or whatever for him? I'd probably be one season. I think he definitely gets, I think he's a Cleveland Cavalier at the end of the day. That's what I mean. Exactly. I think it's where it starts, especially where you kind of create your foundation as a player, and to me, obviously, that is the Cleveland Cavalier. I think it's on the board. I think he's gonna own the team. He always talks about moving the team to Vegas and doing all this. I think he's gonna have peace of Cleveland Cavaliers and kind of buy the team that he grew up with. Oh, really? I think, I thought he was intent on the whole Vegas thing. Maybe Vegas, but I can also see him owning the Cleveland Cavaliers. Own it all. You never told us you're... That's what I think. I think he signs a whatever day, 10 day, one year, whatever it is with the Cleveland Cavaliers. One year max. And he retires. I really think he, I don't think he retires as a Laker. No, he's not a Laker. He's not a Laker. No, not a Laker. Maybe Kobe's a Laker. Maybe he's a Laker. One day with the Miami Heat. That could do that. And then gets waved. And then signs off. There's no Cleveland Cavalier the next day. Also, we just off the idea of him going wherever Bronny goes. From what I read yesterday, Bronny's nowhere near ready for the NBA. But couldn't that be where he retires? Like in like a Portland Trailblazer when Bronny's drafted there? That's weird. That would be weird. Like I get loving your kid, that's a 20 year career. But he's going. He's going wherever he goes. He's too far in a game to turn around. He's gonna wait around until Bronny plays. But what if he's not good enough? I think somebody will still take a flyer if LeBron is playing like this. All right. And how does that work? What if a team signs to Bronny to a 10 day or a two way? You know what I mean? Like does LeBron still go to that team? No. It's gotta be a full guaranteed contract. Unfortunately, you and I know that Bronny James is gonna sign a guaranteed deal if that team has an opportunity to sign LeBron as well. Oh, by the way, I wouldn't do it. This is where the Austin Rivers take, which I agree with, makes sense. I want Bronny to be recognized for anything that he's earned and that's deserved. I don't want him to have anything that's hedged on. No, it's a bummer. Yeah, I would love for him to just earn whatever it is coming his way so people can respect him. What about if you're the thunder like the Minnesota Timbers? You can go grab Bronny with like the 29th pick and get LeBron next year. Oh my God, this sounds like a nightmare. You know what I mean? Like you get LeBron on that on the thunder right now. Something like it's ridiculous. No, we're not doing that. All right, bromance time. No, because they have a good thing going. That just ruins everything. There was a heartwarming thing from the entire All-Star Weekend. I think for my money, it's the bromance, of course, between Luca and Jokic. They just seem to be ecstatic to be around each other, not everything else or in the game itself, but look at them. I've never seen anything so lovely. I feel like this is a very Euro-related. When you move over there from there, it's lonely and it's tough. So you see familiar faces, you spend so much time like these guys do in the off season, the summers in Europe. I love this. I think it's great. I mean, look. Look at them, two man weaving it. Listen, this is genuine Chandler. Yeah, no, for sure. I spent three months in a bubble with both of these guys and they were together every single day. This is a genuine relationship, genuine friendship from these two guys. They really have a bunch of love for each other. I love it so much because they just seem to be sort of like we're on islands together. And when we see, look. Look, they're so happy. Here comes Jokic. Hi, best friend. It's just this guy. He just knew it was him. Do you, was there ever anyone that made you that happy when you would see them in the league? No. DeMar DeRosen for me. Oh, okay, great. DeMar is a really cool guy. Lovely, this is hilarious. I mean. Great guy to be around, but anytime I saw Debo, we had a great time. Complete time, though. Swiss beats had to hate this, right? Swiss beats, hey, listen. I wouldn't. It's entertainment business. It's all good. No. I didn't really know. It was a little low, but. You know what? I just go to him and they collect this. I end up going to the draft before me. We get distracted so fast. I'm like, whoa. It was $80 all over this place. And he played college, Florida with me, but then he left early and by the time I got to the NBA, he was in Europe already. So like that would have been like my guy. It was like my childhood friend. That was like my boy that I would have loved to play with. Besides that, no, I mean. Oh, what could have been? Your bromance was stolen from you. Joe Keemno was my guy. I got him on like a. Oh, sticky. That's my guy. Two to 10 days in Memphis. We actually lived with me. That was awesome. He's fun. Some of the best quote, one of the best quotes of all time. I technically lived with him as well. We did Debo all together. He's the best. He was quite the tenant. Oh, him and the bubble must be a thing. He was quite, he was quite the guy. Absolutely. If he hated Cleveland, what did he think of the level? He was really entertaining. I'll be honest. It was a month in Memphis where Joe Keem signed a two, 10 days in Memphis. I was obviously on the Grizzlies, but not playing, so not really. Obviously. And then Johnny Manziel signed with the XFL team in Memphis. And we all lived together in Memphis, us three. How was this not a reality show? Yeah, it was a riot. It was awesome. But Joe Keem is, he's my guy. Jokic was asked about Luca during his presser. Here he is. It's like they, they just very honestly like, eh, whatever. I kind of love them. I love both of them. No, I love it too. And like Lou said, it's organic. It's real. It's, he's like tampering, but not really tampering. Obviously this would be, this would be an insane do. Oh, if you could have them on one team, make it happen. They'd suck though. They would take all the money. They would take all the money. They would be limited defense. They'd have to, they'd have to find seven guys on the minimum deal. Five. All defense and shoot threes, which by the way is kind of what the NBA is now. We'll make that happen. That's not impossible. All right, we're taking a quick break. When we come back, the champ is back. Two times slam dunk champion. That new whip. Back on the show. That new whip you're doing there, woo hoo. I'm too flat. Get upstairs. That's just fun to watch. He is backs, fresh off of his defense of his championships, slam dunk. There he is. Coming to us from a car. I like this. I like this for you, Mac. I don't know what's going on here. Congrats, by the way. What was the celebration like for you and Indy? It was great. All my friends and family were there. So just kind of enjoying it with them and really just taking it all in. Mac, out of last year's performance, obviously that was one for the ages. But this dunk contest versus last dunk contest, how would you compare them? Which one were you most proud of? They're both, you know, I was really, you know, grateful for both. But I think definitely the first one. I had more in the tank on the second one. I just, you know, I just, it didn't go as well for me, but you know, I'm glad about the outcome. But I definitely, I definitely think I had a better performance in my mind. All right, Mac. Let's be honest. Jaylen Brown wasn't supposed to be in that fight. What's your opinion on that? Did you, did you think any of the other guys were more deserving or what was your experience? Yeah, I mean, I think Jacob Toppin, you know, has some incredible dunks and I heard he had a crazy dunk for the last dunk, but it's hard for me to like, you know, make opinion about someone else's opinion. Like, I can't, you know, judge for the other guys. And, you know, yeah, no, it was, it was tough. I definitely thought he was great. And I thought, you know, Jaylen Brown wasn't as, you know, I know people are giving him more time, but I thought he had some good dunks too. Which one? Wow. I mean, the 360 women, like it's not as easy as he made it look. I mean, there's a lot of things. I think, I think he definitely got some flak for the Kaisenet one, but I don't know, man. Duncan and being on that stage is not easy. So I wouldn't, I wouldn't get flacked to anybody. He stepped up and did that, which was big for him and our game. Thank you. Sting it with him. Matt, did you love that there was an All-Star that was competing with you? Like, did that put any more pressure on you? Or do you think that was great for the dunk contest? Yeah, it definitely is good. I mean, we want the All-Stars to be in it and people who want to be in it. So I thought that was really cool, him. Definitely. And your first dunk, the Self-Fall Upe, you called it the Whoop-Whoop. That was incredible. And it only got the score of 48 from the judges, who, by the way, I thought the judges were pretty horrendous. Were you surprised? No, not a 50 on this? That dunk was amazing. Because this is insane. Yeah. Incredible, bro. Look at this. Yeah, so I mean, I was, I usually put my arms out a lot farther on it, but so I didn't, I didn't, you know, if it didn't get a 50 I understood, but no, it's probably the hardest dunk I had to do all night. So I was, I was, I definitely was surprised that it got a 47 or 48, whatever it got. I was a little stressed for you right here, Matt, because the judges were getting crushed rightfully so. It's almost like they didn't know that, you know, doing it on the second attempt is not to be taking points off. And then I thought, if Matt doesn't advance because the judges suck, I think we're all gonna riot. Like it's gonna be a problem. Oh yeah. That being said, when you practice these dunks, for example, a guy like Shaq, there aren't a ton of stand-ins walking around earth that look like Shaq. How do you practice that dunk? Yeah. So I just had a bunch of my friends come and they would stand on boxes, stand on chairs, just trying to get that Shaq height. Yeah, but no, we would just get a measuring tape and try to figure it all out, but I'm glad it worked out. That's awesome. That was crazy. No push-off, no nothing. Nothing. Wow. Matt, how many hockey has also used Shaq as a prop? But when you saw him, did you, did you consider like changing things up or you knew when he used Shaq the way he did it? Like my dunk is gonna be better than that. So it's tough because I didn't do two of the dunks I was supposed to do. And one of them was involved Shaq, but a little something different. And I don't know, maybe I'll just keep that to myself so I can maybe, if I do it again, I can use it. But no, there's a lot of off the top, just randomness in that dunk contest for me. Yeah, Matt, that dunk over Shaq, obviously got you fifties and you won the dunk contest. But when, like when did you, when did you ask Shaq? Like, can you do this? Did you rehearse with him at all? Like, how did that kind of develop? Yeah, so I got a decent relationship with Shaq. He's been very supportive of me since even high school, just checking in with me. I texted him like, hey, would you do that with me? And he was like, yeah, but I didn't tell him about the jersey till in front of everybody. I was like, you know, I'm just gonna wait and it'd be hard to say no in front of everybody. But he was really cool. And he said, I better not miss it. But if he puts on the game city jerseys, I was like, all right, I won't miss it. Matt, I know you said that you had a couple dunks still in your back pocket. So are those gonna roll over to next year? Are you gonna unveil them on Instagram or something? We'll see, man. I don't know. You know, probably two days out from it. I'm just gonna keep thinking and see if it's right. And we'll go from there. We're like, we're writing it down. We're keeping notes. Matt, when you look at next year's dunk contest, obviously a lot has to do with where your future's at, where you're playing. But do you, do you right now, two days out, do you feel like you wanna do the dunk contest again? How do you view the dunk contest after two years of doing it and winning it? Yeah, I really don't know. I really don't know what I even, you know, my energy towards it would be. And it just, it had to be something I think about. It's not something I would say I'm not doing. It's not something I would sign up for right now. So I would just think on it really, really deeply and try to figure out if my heart's in the right place for it. And if, you know, it takes a lot of your body. It's not something that's easy to do. So it's a long preparation and, you know, dedication. If you decided to do it again and it felt right and it felt good, considering your opponents, who would be your dream team of guys you would like to compete against? Yeah, I mean, it's great to have the stars out there. I don't know. I want people to do it who really wanna do it though. You know what I mean? Because it's like we were saying, it's the craft. It's a lot of preparation. It's not easy. It can be embarrassing, you know. So just someone who really wants to, and I think some of these stars that are super athletic should do it and it could be nothing but good for them. No offense to us, but we figured we'd bring someone in who knows a lot about dunk. So Vince Carter was there in Indy. Vince, so what did you think? What did you see? I was impressed, man. I mean, look here, what Matt just said, man just gives me chills cause I've been saying it. It's, you want the stars and the people who are able to do it, to do it, to get in there and which I think will make a great competition. And I think that's what we're missing. But forcing these guys to do it, you won't get what you really want. And I love the fact that those guys, obviously Matt is defending it, but like Jaylen Brown and Jaime and Toppin getting in it, but because they want to, and you're gonna get their best effort. But it's time for these superstars to just come on out there and put on the show. They're very capable of it. Bump the brand. I think if you put a great show on, your brand will be safe. Regardless if you win or lose, you push the envelope, everybody's gonna enjoy the competition. Aaron Gordon, who didn't win, we're still like, hey, his brand was okay. He didn't take a hit. No it didn't. Mac, how much inspiration, how much motivation, how many ideas do you get from someone like Vince or some of the past Dunn Contest participants? Yeah, I think with a guy like Vince, it was like you kind of learned from his swag with it. Like he just came in there so like confident and it played to the fans. Like it's just, it's really a lot. Like you have to really think really deeply and just kind of be your aura and your determination for it. And I think I got that from Vince, just like his swag coming into the arena, like I'm here, you know? I got that. I wanted to be in it. You know, I felt like this was an opportunity. I wanted to be in it. Obviously I, you know, the league asked but I wanted to be a part of it. And once you get there, like I said, man, you have to be confident and I prepared for it. Like I took it seriously and you know, it wasn't just, oh, I'm here. I'm gonna just have fun and just go about it now. I approached it, you know, like a game day and I was just ready to go. And I think that's why I was able to put on a great show like Mac has done. By the way, Vince, can you judge next year, please? Thank you. Because that was- See, no, no, because see, here's my thing. I was on, I was actually on true TV doing the contest. So I just more, so gave my opinions on it. And you know, since we're here, since Mac, you're here, I want to say to him that I was impressed about, it's a lot of pressure obviously defending and you know, however you view the competition, however fans view the competition, whatever it is, you still have to go out there and do your job. And the one thing I was impressed with Mac was he did what needed to be done in each situation. And what I mean by that is I think the last dunk, he could have pushed the envelope and I've seen video, because I've seen you before, I've seen video. And I know with that dunk, there's other things that you can do with it that I've seen you do, like dunking from behind. I know that, but he did the right dunk. It was wowing, but it was safe for him. And he got the job done, which I thought he thought things through a little bit and I was impressed with that. So I got to ask both of you, I got you here. Prime Vince Carter. Oh man. Prime Mac McClung, who are we taking in the dunk contest? Stop it, don't, don't, it's not close man. It's not even close. Come on. That's Vince all day, man. Don't even, don't even do that to me. Hey man, you don't have to answer it. But no, it's like, but I would love the competition. You know, that's what that's what it's all about. I know the NBA years ago tried to get and put a lot of money up for the best to do it. And you know, that would be, you know, Prime Vince would want all the smoke with everybody because like it just, it's gonna bring the best out of me. And Mac, would you have to prepare differently? No one you're going against the goat dunker, Vince Carter? I might have to start two years in advance just thinking and trying to figure it all out. You didn't just dunk, by the way, there was the Rising Stars game, which was fun. Did you enjoy that? What was a memory that you took out of that game? Yeah, I mean, it was good. We won. I know it's an exhibition game. It's the Rising Stars, but I don't know. I can't get on the floor and not compete. That's just me. So just to have the G-League guys win, I mean, that meant something to me. And you know, I thought, you know, I played well and my teammates played well. So it was a lot of fun. Oh yeah, no, you guys weren't playing, which was, it was actually quite fun to watch. What's going on basketball future-wise? Like do you have plans, you have goals? Like where are you right now? I know you're in Osceola. What happens next? Right, I think for me, it's just to keep flying pressure. I feel like my whole life, that's what I've done. The plot pressure keep showing, taking any excuses away. That's what I try to do every year. And if I'm in Osceola, then I'm gonna try to win a championship with Osceola. That's really it. But it's all God's timing and I'm gonna keep flying pressure. I'm not gonna quit. Love that, Mac. And after watching the rise in the stars game, man, you belong in the NBA. You're not just a dunker, man. You're a hooper, so keep working hard because we wanna see you in the NBA. And we damn sure wanna see you back again for the three, Pete. Damn right. Hey, I wanna say something to that, Mac. You know, like for me, the dunk contest opened the door and gave me the opportunity. And I like what you're saying. It's like wherever I am right now, I'm gonna do my best and continue to take advantage of this. You're in the dunk contest. You're getting to show your skill, you know, obviously in your athleticism. But yes, in the rising stars, you guys really came out and played hard. That's how you open doors and that's how you get that opportunity because there's some team moving forwards that's gonna need guys. And that was a platform where everybody got to see your skill. So I think keep taking advantage of these opportunities. I appreciate it, guys. It's been a pleasure, man. We appreciate the time. Congrats again. Hope to see you in San Francisco next All-Star Week. And Vince, don't go anywhere. You're sticking around. We'll have more Run It Back after this. Run It Back, yeah. Run It All. Run It Back, yeah, yeah. Run It All. Run It Back. That's you, Terri. I mean, the in-game dunks are better than the ones we see during All-Star Week. Let's go. Not America. All right, Vince Carter still here. Real quick. Hey guys, real quick. I wanna kind of touch on that judging thing. So, you know, I know you guys talked about the judging and some say it sucked. Here's my thing on judging. And you will probably see some of the same. There's only one or two dunks that I did not agree with. You know, so when, you know, dunking you as a judge, more so than fans, it's the wow factor in the moment, right? So when you're missing a dunk, like if you go up there and dunk, because I know Mack had one attempt where he, I think he jumped, he was trying to jump on somebody and he didn't try to attempt the dunk. Right. And then he goes back and he completes it. Then he had the one where I thought he, I thought he was gonna hurt himself when he hit the front of the rim and fell down. The wow factor is gone. So, I think that was sick though. But I just think the wow factor is gone sometimes when you've already seen the dunk. You know what I'm saying? So it's just like, it's hard to get, right? Well, I think that's the one I thought he, I think he hit the front of the rim first on that, that windmill. But it's hard to kind of give you a 10 when I already know what's coming. Okay, now I just want to see you complete it. No. But VC, go ahead. It's some of those dunks that we saw that got higher scores, 90% of the NBA players can do them. So when we talk about wow factor, I understand what you're saying, but I still was on the edge of my seat just looking at them. And his second chance was still better than their first chance to me. Correct. And that's why I say you're talking about still getting a 10. I don't think it still gets a 10. I'm not saying it should get a seven or eight either. Now, if you're, now, if Rick's talking about, if you complete the dunk on the second try, I give you a nine. It's not a 10 because I do know what's happening. You know what I'm saying? I know what's happening. I'm walking through it with you. Now I want you to make it. After that now, we're talking about third. Yeah, cause he always did the second. He never gave you seven eights. Yeah. And last year he didn't, he made them all on his first attempt. Yeah. I think that's why it was so elect. Correct. And that's- Look, both things can be right. You can be right and the judges sucked. Right? Can we agree on that? I mean, I just don't agree. I mean, I think some of the scores, like I agree, Toppin should have been in the finals. Jailing, bro. And it was, it was like he lost by a point something because of, I think- You're speaking to Ray Wells. The great Mr. Hillman gave him a 46. Yeah, I think he got caught up and we don't really know this guy. And he, and I think the scores showed that. Yeah, I think, I think he was robbed. Vince, and Mr. Hillman probably just listened. Vince, I want to ask you. He gave him a 46. Yeah, Mr. Hillman was tripping a little bit. And he just gave Jaime Hacas a better score of where he pushed off. Look, he gave him a 47. That doesn't say anything. And I think it was guidance more so than push-off. I honestly think it was guidance more so than push-off. But what your eyes see is your arm there as you're going through. So I don't mean, I don't have any push-off. PC, I want to ask you, like, obviously we want Mack in the NBA. We want him to be plague. Yeah. If he happens to be in Euro League next year, let's say that, does the NBA bring him back for a 3P or now they're just opening up the floodgates for anybody to compete? So if you think about it, I saw a couple of other analysts talk about it. A lot of these guys, you know, I said what I said to them for this reason, leading to this question, because a lot of these guys, like, for me, Slovene, a lot of the guys we're not seeing in the dunk contest anymore, doesn't want to get put in a box as a career dunker. Only knows as a dunker. You know, but for Mack, I wanted to say that to him to take advantage of this opportunity because, yes, he's playing in the G-League, you know, they get featured every now and then on NBA TV, but right now he's not getting the opportunity to showcase his talents on the big stage often. And he took advantage of, he's taking advantage of it in the dunk contest and he's also, he also took advantage of in the rising stars game. So like I said, until further notice, go for it, but you just don't want, because every time you say, oh yeah, the dunking kid, the kid at dunk. The kid at dunk, you know, as opposed to showing that you're a player because we all want to show we have game. And CP, you said it. He has some game to him. He does. But, you know, we'll never really consider him that until further notice. That's actually fair. By the way, finalist for the basketball hall fame. Congrats, sir. Oh yeah, oh yeah. Thank you, ma'am. Oh, you're all groaned up. What would it feel like to be inducted? Let me tell you, oh, what would it feel like? Man, I'm gonna tell you what it felt like that day. It did not, it did not feel real. So once Matt Weiner called my name, I needed a second because he's like Vince Carter. And he's like, come up here. And I was like, I need a second to make sure this is real. Cause it's like, you know, I've heard it from people like, oh, you're destined this, that's what I hear you. But I need to hear it and to be a finalist. And when I stood up there and looked in the crowd at Tim Hardaway and all the other, you know, legends who are already in, I'm like, bro, this is real. Like this is something real. So it's, I'm honored. And what's this the next stage coming up? Like I just, whenever it gets here, it gets here. Like I'm living in the moment now because I can say, you know, we talk about wanting to be the best version of ourselves in the NBA. And then once we're done, you see what happens. And, wow, here we are. All right, so let's fast forward cause you're getting in. Are you hiring a speech writer? And if you do, are we going laughs, tears, petty? What are we doing? Well, bro, I mean to first tell you this, like since I've been out of the league and having kids and doing all that soft, soft. So tears like our guarantee. Oh man. I want to, I want to just, I want it to come from the heart and how I really feel about it more so than writing in a writer. I mean, I literally walked down the hallway once I got out of that things. I got this, there's a couple of words. Hey, you know, I do some, I'm a writer and I do this and I was like, you know, we'll be in touch. So I was like, cool. Let's just wait till we know for sure for one and for two of this list. I want to tell my version. I want to tell my story and I want to go about it my way because I kind of went about it my way. You know, I had 22 years of great basketball. I had people say, why are you still playing? Why, you know, you have people say, why are you, you know, you're doing this because you're average and worried about that? Well, I want to tell my story and give it to you my way. Vintyre, I may be showing my age here, but I had the privilege of competing against you when you played for the New Jersey Nets, which was a legendary run. And obviously Toronto Raptors, where you began your career and everything started to translate up for you. I got to ask, which Jersey are you rocking? Hall of Fame, if you had to choose one, both legendary stops. Toronto, Toronto. I mean, it has to be, that's where it started. That's where it all, you know, to continue the rise. Yes, I had great years in Jersey, but it started there in my confidence and understanding the player that I could be in the league was trending upwards still in Toronto. BC, you know, it's funny when you were going the day and I had the host, I had reduced him as the Hall of Fame and he was like, what, do you know something? I know that's how I know you were nervous as hell. And then I was like, fuck, did I say something wrong? I was like, wait, wait, I was like, you know something? Tell me, yes, you did. Because you're a lock, bro. You deserve it, I'm happy for you. But out of your entire NBA career, your time at North Carolina, did you have a favorite year of basketball? Like any year, stick out. It's a lot. Honestly, I think hitting the ground running as a rookie was, you know, and just making a splash. That was kind of one of the favorites. And then, you know, leading vote getter for the first time was probably, you know, I mean, it's minor pain to everyone else because think about this, Cole, MJ, well, I got to MJ's last year, but I was leading vote getter for like three years in a row with Cole, you know, T-Mac and his heights. I mean, AI, KG, guys who like that, like that's when like, these are some of the best moments. And, you know, we're talking about leading vote getter into all, we know what the voting is. It's a popularity contest. And they chose me, man, to be like the leading vote getter over those guys. Like that was some of the best times. And obviously, you know, game winners and, you know, I played a long time, man. So it's a lot of great moments. And I played with some great teams and some great teammates, but those are the things that stick out. Because, you know, sometimes when you talk about popularity, you always thinking of the, you know, a very small window of guys. And I was voted higher than some of those guys at that time. I would tell everyone. I want to get back to Duncan for a second VC because a lot of people are saying there are no more original dunks, which I disagree because I was one of those people. And then I saw Zach Levine and then I saw Aaron Gordon. And then now I've seen Mack McClung. These guys are making up new dunks. I severely disagree. But do you think everything has been done or do you believe that? I'm with you out there. I think, you know, there's no more dunks that we've seen in the NBA. But for those who don't watch, watch, you know, or look at the YouTube videos, like, that's how I saw Mack. I watched Mack when he was doing this thing in high school on YouTube. You know, that's, you know, coming across, obviously anything dunking that comes up on social media, I tend to get tagged on them and get my thoughts or, you know, if it's a homage dunk or anything like that. So I tend to see him and, you know, I go to search and so let me tell you, there's dunks out there that has not been done that I think will eventually translate or make its way into the NBA. Somebody like Mack, Mack is bringing dunks already that we haven't seen or, you know, or done or thought of. So it's just, it's just in due time. But there's some dunks out there that you're like, whoa, like we've all seen it. They just don't, people are afraid to try it. Yeah, I think the fans should stop focusing on new dunks and start thinking more of the performance. The execution. The performance value of it. Execution, let's make some more dunks out there again. I think it's, you know, I think it's the approach. I think if you, you're not prepared or if you don't approach it the right way, kind of like a basketball game, you go out there and you get embarrassed. You know what I'm saying? So I think that's one of the things in all-star weekend you have fun. You, you heard some of the guys do an all-star weekend which bothered me a little bit. But they say, you know, it's all-star weekend. I'm not going to, I'm not going to take it seriously. I'm going to go, you know, it's all-star break. I'm going to break, you know. I played in the, the all-star game in 2001. I think it was in, in DC. One of the best all-star games. You talk about most competitive. We were down 21 with AI, Mac, T-Mac, that is. Steph Marbury, who am I missing? Somebody else. And I was playing the four. I was guarding C-Web and Duncan and KG, you know what I'm saying? And we were going hard. And that's what it was. So I think your approach, if it's done the right way, you will give the fans a great show. That's all we want. There was a rumor, by the way, back in the day that the NBA tried to elevate the dunk contest. They were offering like a million dollar incentive or something. A, would that work now? And B, who were they trying to pitch you against at the time? Do you remember? Yeah, that is true. It was Cole, T-Mac, LeBron. That's the, that's the three others that I recall, you know. So if, yeah, but guys didn't want to do it. What? That would have been a dream dunk contest. It's crazy now too, because these guys are making so much money. Would a million dollars make a job or not? No, but here's, yeah, but what is the guys making now? Do we know, that's a question I have, because I think, you know, because of the inflation in salaries and even minimum salary. Like I think for the G-League, and this is no disrespect, but like, you put a hundred thousand dollars. I mean, even 25,000, that's what I made. I made 25,000 in 2000 when I won, okay? So I hope to God, that's not what it is now, because of, you know, what these guys are making. But I think if you put like, we saw 500,000 for the end season tournament to the winner in 250 second place. What do we get out of that? God going hard. So I just think if you put somewhere, but from two to 250, obviously you say a million, it's just hard for me right now to say, give a million to a dunker, but you're gonna give, you're not gonna give a million to each player for playing in a basketball game. Okay, but somewhere in between, it has to be six figures. And I think now that's good money for guys to go out there and play for. Yeah. I mean, Jha did have that quote, was it last year or the year before, where he's like, give me a million bucks and I'll do the same dunk contest. So he is on record as having a price. Let's remember that. And I heard that he's considering, well, I heard next year, but he's considering. I also think Mack now being such a household dunking name, doesn't that motivate guys like Jha or Zion, people like that to come and like knock him off for them to really care. I don't think so. I don't think so because of what they're afraid, but if they don't beat him, guess what people will say, all you lost to the G-League guy. Exactly. And they're worried about that. And see, that's why I loved about Jaylen Brown. And it's kind of hard, you know, he did what he had to do, but he said it in his interview. He was not afraid to go out there and fail. Yeah, I'm not gonna. But I think it's a separation too. I loved it. I won't knock Jaylen Brown down. I think he's done a tremendous job of labeling himself as a high level dunker. So I think once you get in that competition, wherever he's going after that, we judge him for that. But in the dunk contest, he's the man. Okay, my rebuttal to that is being a high level dunker, you know, the one thing he said in his interviews, like, hey, you know, I dunked on a lot of guys, you know, I think I wanted the best at dunking on guys. Okay, that's in game. In game. As we see, that doesn't translate to dunk contest and your imagination and having to go out there and wowing people. Like it's totally different. That's true. Quick break. Are we saying goodbye to Vince? What about? Oh, you'll, you know what? You'll be back. That's the good news. So we'll say goodbye to Vince today, but we will be back to wrap things up here on run it back. Thanks, BC. Y'all wait. Run it back, run it back, run it back, run it back, run it back. 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By the way, I wanted to show, because here it is, we have Louisville High School Dunk Contest here that I swear to God is better than the Dunk Contest that we just saw. That one was okay. This how long LeBron's been great. I'm wearing LeBron's in this and I'm in high school. This one right here? Look at this. I had it, bro. That's a 50. That's a for sure 50. This year, that's a 50 for sure. I won this Dunk Contest, by the way. Where was this Dunk Contest? City of Palms down in- Bishop Barrow. Yeah. Who'd you beat? I forget, but I did win. And my team didn't do great. We were number two in the country. We had a camera crew following us around and we should have- Did you guys win the tournament? No, we lost the very first game. I played in the tournament and I think I did a Dunk Contest. I'm not a trickster dunker. I could, like I got some bodies, but I don't, like I don't have- So you're in-game dunker? Like Vince was just talking about, there's a difference. Like I don't know how to go and perform a Dunk Contest, but I can catch a body in a game. Well, it was all good. Great show today, my brother. We'll be back tomorrow. Kenny Beach, I'm friend of the show. We'll be joining us. Thank you guys for joining. Run it back. See you tomorrow morning. Hope it's not raining. It takes an hour and a half to get here.