 Check it, check it, check it, it's a unique house, it's your boy, E-CEO, and I'm here with the lovely, amazing Miss Jamaica, what's going on? Nothing, you know my dad? Hey, man, she ill Jamaican, so check it, man, we got a very special guest in the house today, man. This guy right here, really, if you, if you like me, a Pimp C fan, you've been hearing his name ever since the 90s, man. You know what I'm saying? And it's real, it's real good to have my boy Bobo Luciani in the building, what's going on? Yeah, man, thanks for having me, man. Man, man, just appreciate you. You know what I'm saying? I appreciate the legacy, man, and everything that you are ushered in, you know, as far as the way that you, you know, put it down back in the days, man, and the Dallas thing, man, I've always frequented Dallas and Houston because that's the big city for me, where I'm from. You know, when I look at, when I look at what, what you bring to the table, you got some things, some gyms hidden that nobody probably even know that you never spoke on. Some stuff you probably never will speak on. But at the end of the day, there are some things that we have to enjoy. The legacy of my boy Pimp C, man. You know what I'm talking about, man? Gotta keep it alive. I see that, sir. Man, I like that. Who got that? Where you get that? Man, my buddy Red Rum, the sorts of boys, he sent me this link One time on Facebook, I said, man, I got to get it. Man, I know the people that was, it was real professional order. And it arrived. On time. On time. Like that. I remember the back when Pimp was living, them Algiers T-shirts was coming. Yes. That's what I was wearing back then and selling. I actually sold them because we had this store since 007, 006, so I was selling Algiers, I know Dan, the guy who they was really dealing with back then. You remember that Algiers ad that had Pimp with the black? Yeah. I got that shirt. Do you? Yeah, I had, like I said, I sold all of them. I got the shirt he wore in the ad. Oh, you do? Yes. Wow, that's dope. He gave me a lot of stuff right before he passed. Really? Not, you know. Yeah. And you know, I'm gonna hold on to it. Yeah, you hold on to it. Yeah, that's my stuff. And I don't blame you. I would definitely be holding on to it because that's you know, really, you know, you'll never be able to replace those type of things, man. Sentimental value is something on the utmost high. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. So just going back a little bit about you coming up and Mr. Maker usually do this part, but she's some kind of busy right now. I see her. I don't know what's going on. Yeah, two person team. Oh, yeah, we are always here. But the thing I can say is like what we ask is like kind of you from Dallas originally. Oakleaf. Oakleaf. Yes, sir. That's your hood. That's my hood. Wow. Singing heels. Singing heels. Singing swinging heels. Oh, man. So coming up, how was it over there? Like as a young boy, you know what I'm saying? I'm talking about how early, baby, do you want to take him? That's far back as you can remember. It was real family oriented over there. You know, just hood, you know, hood store. Go to the hood store, play video games. Everybody walking around, you know, doing anything. It wasn't, you know. It was in violence and stuff. Not really. Everybody was getting along. Did you come up single parent home? No, you know, mom and dad together. That's the odd that you say that because everybody, pretty much everybody I know. Was single parent. Yeah, I only came up, you know, grandparent, things like that. My mom and dad were together until my mom passed. Wow. Oh, wow. Yeah, that was... How old were you when she passed? That was an adult. My mom just passed 2016. Wow, girl. So you were the anomaly in the hood? One of them. There was a few of us, you know. On our street, you know, it was kind of a family oriented street, but, you know, we, yes. Yeah, there's a lot of people in that neighborhood that single parents and all my buddies, the same thing. As a child, did you look at that as a blessing or you didn't even... No, you don't think about that. You don't think about it until you get to be an adult and you realize that it's systemic, you know, the black man not being in the household and that type of thing and you... Damn, what's going on? It's like this in Pleasant Grove. It's like that in North Dallas, like that in West Dallas. I didn't know it was... But I bet you the friends who didn't have both parents in the household, when they did come over to your house, they look at it like... Oh, yeah. Yeah, my mom used to cook. Make candy and all this type of stuff. She was a cook. Everybody knew my mom for cooking. All the friends came to your house? Oh, yeah. I was the Kool-Aid house. Yeah, the house, everybody, little, little, and all that, so that was that. Did you have siblings? Yeah, I got, you know, I'm the baby of two older sisters. So your mom was born? Three older sisters, huh? Your mom was born. All the boys, they make it even worse. Yeah, and I got four daughters. Wow. Four daughters. No boys. No boy. I had a little boy, you know. I was going to ask you about that, but not so early on, but I guess I can now because you brought it up. Yeah. I wanted to know because I wanted to know was that real when I heard that in the song because you don't ever know if something's real or if somebody's rapping to make something sound good. How much of it is real? Yeah, because Biggie would say when he rapped, he would say that wasn't real. His mom later on would say that part, he was just rapping, but this part, but this was actually a real event that happened to you. Exactly. Let me tell you something. Since we're on two subjects, you know, the time I'm in UGK, you know, I was a rock with rap way before UGK. Yeah. You know, I came up with the boom bap, the hip hop, you know, in the early stages. Yeah. And, you know, it was real about just showing skills, rapping, you know, storytelling and things like that. DJ Uche, Dr. Rock. Well, Uche was my clip. Okay. You know, Uche, Snake. Okay. Snake's like my older brother. I just know during that time, these radio stations and stuff. They were battling. That's right. Exactly. Exactly. It was a DJ competition back then. Really wasn't too many rappers and dollars that was doing their thing. But, and then once I started hanging on a chat and bun, I realized these dudes was talking about real life situations. You know, you can't beat them, though. You can't just ride off into that like that. No, bro. It's a story. Yeah. Go ahead and tell it. Okay. Well, like I said, we were doing our own thing. You know, I don't know if you heard of the group Nemesis. Yeah. Come on, man. The one with the 808s to hit hard. Come on, man, stop playing. That's my brother. I told you I love music, bro. You're not going to miss him. Yeah. That's Snake, you know. So, I don't holler at their party. You know, I thought that's how we get down. Okay. We'll talk about that later on the show. Yes, sir. But, um, yeah, I was living with Snake. And we, you know, we were doing our thing. We had two major labels. I mean, two major acts sound to profile records in New York. And, um, which was Nemesis and Ron C. Uh, Trendsetter. Yeah, come on. You know, I know Ron C. Yeah, yeah. Everything you're going to say, cause I'm listening to the mute, the beat. Back then it was the beat. It was all about bass. Yeah, Magic Mike. Yeah, Snake was the bass king of the South, really. And then Magic Mike. Yeah, he was in Miami. Miami. Yeah. Yeah. So they, if you had any kind of rock, fuck, fives, gays. Oh, yeah. I did. I did. Anything like that. Yeah. You, you tested your speakers out with that. Yeah. Yeah. 2.45. Oh, yeah. On 2.18. Yeah. Yeah, that's me. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You know what you're talking about? I cut the whole bag seat out of the car. You know what you're talking about? Yeah. Yeah. I cut the whole, all that metal. I got to get rid of all that. Oh, yeah. Just for the sake of it. Yeah. So does Mone Collo Bob, uh, his over. Amen. Amen. Yeah. Yeah. I told her, she said, how long you think we on? I said maybe a while, man. Man and there toys. Hey. We come up during the same era. Let me tell you something, I'm thinking about doing it again. Hey, why not? I look up music. Man, me too. You know what I'm mean and I'm not too old. No. To enjoy that. So. I got something at the house. Yeah, I got a 72 Chevelle SS with the, I got the speakers in there. Oh, yeah, I got it. I got a little, I got a little sitting in my driveway saying I got a. I'm gonna have a little sit in my driveway same time. So I'm gonna hit. Yeah, but I want something else. You want something to go even harder. Yeah. Yeah. And there's nothing wrong with that. I thought about getting like one of them money color SS, that one that came out with. I think it was the 80s with the chrome, with the gray color one. Yes. But that thing was bad. Oh, yeah. With the SS at the bottom? Yeah, yeah, yeah. My brother got one too. That's a sweet car. Yeah, yeah, but I like the gray one. He got the maroon one. You know, the maroon gray and black. And the white one. And the white one. And I even seen a hatchback one with the, with the, yeah, with the window, like a, I've seen it. I ain't seen it. I've seen it. It's in the country too. You sure they ain't made it like that? No, no, no, no. They didn't make it. No, no, no. You know how that window come with like a little, yeah, but it's still got the, it's still got the lid. It ain't. What was the trunk? It's no, just. You see that hatchback? No, it's got the window. I'm talking about how it has a curve, but you still got, you know, you still got trunk here. Yeah, you still got trunk here. So it was a nice car. I still want that original one. Cause I want, to me, I want that gray, gray with the, the length and everything. You know? Yeah. But no, man, you took me back. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. So, so yeah, we were, we were doing our thing and, you know, we were traveling all over the South. Um, and we were kind of partnered up with Rappelot. Yeah. So every time we had a show, we included them. Okay. And every time they had a show, peace out, you know, I'm going to say shout out to big chief with Rappelot. Yeah. Yeah. Big chief. He called us. Yeah. You know what? That's how I never met him. You know, he was here tonight for like, I was, I was in his presence one with that yesterday. Tuesday. We do so much. We be working man. Are you serious when you run at night than today? She, she know how I go with me. Let me check the calendar to make sure. Yesterday. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We just be rocking out man. Yeah. Um, but definitely man. Uh, so go ahead with it. And, um, yeah. So we had befriended. I don't know if you're, well, excuse me. I'm going to stop saying this. Go ahead. You remember the conflicts? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So we had befriended three, two. Yeah. Yeah. That's my boy. Them boys went on. And, and, um, big Mike. Okay. That's, that boy had a good spot right there. Oh yeah. He went hard. I mean that early Rappelot. It was so raw. Yeah. I mean, uh, Mello. Yeah. That was my boy Curtis. That was your boy. Curtis. Oh man. Went on. Oh my God. That was a Mello used to hang so much when we was on, on the road. That was my guy. Wow. That was my guy, man. And then Bushwick, Bushwick taught me how to roll blunts in Kentucky. All right. The first person showed me how to roll blunts in Kentucky. And, um, yeah. So we were on the road. And so I don't know if you remember when, I know you heard about this, but death row wanted to sign the convicts. Yes. And they were in Los Angeles. Okay. And right around that time they had gotten the words that Willie D had dropped out of the ghetto boys and they needed Big Mike to feel those shoes. Yeah. Yeah. And so I think there was, I don't know if it was in friction or whatnot. What's up Big Mike? That's my doubt. I didn't get him on the show. Big Mike, uh, Big Mike flew on back to Houston where, uh, 3-2 flew to Dallas because he was going to write some things for Big Al on the Knicks up and coming in. Okay. So they said, oh, Bobo, go get 3-2 from the airport. So I go, I had a little Hyundai, 1992 Hyundai. Go pick him up, man. I'm going to pick him up, you know what I'm saying? Steak shelf. Yeah. Yeah. You know, the Burm animals back there. We broke, you know. Yeah. Yeah. Come on, man. Yeah. With the stash in it. Yeah. I go pick 3-2 up from the airport and he, um, Bobo, check this out. And he put this cassette in. He said, these little young boys, about to be some stalls. One with a trigger, two with a... Who is that? That's me, ain't you? I said it every week. That's the first one I heard. But it was about three songs. It was about three songs on there. That's the first one I heard. Yeah, yeah. I know where I heard it just like you and when I heard it. Yeah. Yeah. So, right, I would say about two, three months after that, we started hearing it feel trading up in dollars. You know, it got on rotation on K-104 and whatnot. And a guy grew up, went from junior high school. I'll tell you about this guy too. This is... I got so many. Yeah. There you go. You don't have to bring me back. I got you. You don't have to bring me back. Anyway, him, his name was Ron, and this gentleman named K-Rud. Okay. I know you're speaking about K-Rud. They threw one of the liveest concerts in Dallas history. It was at Weddingwild in Arlington, where right above the wave pool was the stage. Okay. And everybody was in the wave pool in the little inner tubes floating. That was the dance. Yeah. That was the crowd. Yeah. And you had Yo-Yo. You had Spice. Oh, that was a hot. Spice one. That was hot. U-T-K. And there was a couple other people. And where it was, you know, they had a little hotel. I can't remember the name of that hotel, but it's still there. It's old now. But they had rented that hotel out for the artists. I'm talking about weed everywhere. I try and see where. So, I met them there. I was around them. Excuse me. Because that was around the time they were shooting the video for Tell Me Something Good. They shot that here in Dallas. Yeah. Them boys, I love that video too. Oh my God. Yeah. And so, what's up weed? You know what I'm talking about? He's one of the dudes that's in that, you remember when they were chasing the dudes and dude was under this car. Yeah. That says weed. Yeah, that's weed. Both of them dudes from Singing Hills. Oh, yeah? Yeah, both those dudes are from Singing Hills. Okay. Yeah. So, I met them there. Fast forward, maybe another month or two. We get a call to, say, I run Seaside Man. Okay. So, I'm on the road run and we run and just got out of the pen from doing, you know, he had a 20 year bid and he did two on that 20. And we did the Back on the Street album. Okay. So, we're on tour with two shorts. On two shorts. So, we got about eight dates. I tell you about this tour. This tour is wild. Yeah. It's supposed to be two short, Spice and Run Seas. But it ended up, every city we went to was more and more acts. Wow. You know what I'm saying? So, about the time we got to the first city we went to, we're thinking it's just going to be us three. And we get there, bro. It's like in too deep, second to none. It's all these people on the show. It's like 10 acts, you know what I'm saying? So, we go and they say, you know, we rehearse for a 15 minute show. So, we get there and say, oh, yeah, y'all got five minutes now. I say, oh, shit, bro, what are we going to do? So, Run said, well, we're going to go out there and kill it. I said, well, you know, we got this thing where, you know, I'm coming out. You know, it was real productions back then. Yeah. You know, I had this Afro wig. Yeah. A lot of people remember this tour. I had this Afro wig and I had this real chainsaw. And they just called me Bobo the Psycho back then. Right. And it was all prison thing. Run came out with his thing on, you know, his little jumpsuit. Like he's in prison. I had the, he had the blue one. And I had the, actually he didn't have, he had blue dickies in the blue, just like on the album. And then I had the jumpsuit on. I had, you remember, I don't know if you know this, but if you go to jail and loose there and they put you on orange. Or orange. Yeah. You kind of aggravated. Yeah. You was aggravated. Yeah, but everybody was used to wear the white. Used to wear the white, but the orange was crazy. The orange was crazy. Yeah. So I had an orange. You know what I'm saying? With the prison number. And so I said, bro, as soon as you come out, as soon as you come through with that first verse, I'm coming with the chainsaw. And when I came with that chainsaw, I went berserk. Wow. And we killed that show. So by the time we got to the next city, everybody was talking about, ooh, we had a job killed it. So they moved us up in the, Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, now moved us up. Moved us back toward the headline. Yeah. And gave us more time. So we killed it for three, four more cities. And then when we got to Lafayette, Louisiana, we were in the Cajun, though. And by that time, so I'm, I'm kicking it with spice. What's up spice? What's up to my man, Gina, rest in peace. Gina and I had really, I had really bonded because you know, had the real end though from Oakland. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he and I really bonded. Yeah, I really bonded. Yeah, we really bonded. Yes, sir. Oh, he was hustling on the road. The smartest thing I had ever seen. Yeah. Yeah, I said, this boy got it. What? He's selling it. And it's red. State to state. I ain't trying to hear it. I ain't trying to hear it. I ain't trying to hear it. Getting it. Getting it. So I mean, He's passed away now. So I can, I can say. Yeah, he can go to jail for that. We're in a way. We go to, we go to the dressing room. For some reason, they gave us this, this great big dressing room. And everybody in our dressing room, I'm telling you, shorter than our dressing room, spices in our dressing room. And the promoter, of course, is being funny with the money. Of course. And everybody's in there talking about why this dude ain't paying us enough. And we in occasion, I don't know if you ever been there. It's packed. I mean, to the wall, it's like, whatever it hold. It was in there. Yeah. Capacity. Capacity. It's full to capacity. That's the inside joke. In a way. Yeah. So it's filled to a capacity. And here comes pimping bun. First, it come bun. Bun is real, you know, jovial, you know, kicking with everybody. I got pictures from that night. I'll show you. Yeah. And, next thing you know. Come on. Come on. So really? Oh yeah. Pimping, what they had done, they had befriended two girls from Dallas. There was strippers. Okay. You know, KT, what's up? They're my homegirls now. But he walked in with them, looking like a pimple, acting like a pimple. And so I said, who is this guy? And he's pissed off by his rooms, pissed off by the money. And I said, damn, there's nothing in another level. I ain't liking it first. He came in showing his ass. Yeah. And so, you know, he started talking about, oh, y'all from Dallas, we'll run and see y'all, you know, and then after the show, we really kicked it. You know what I'm saying? They had a laughter party now. And he told us, we just signed the jive. Well, and we're going to record the album, finish the album in Dallas. Okay. When we come, we're going to holler at you. That's back when Beeple was there. Yeah. Come on, man. So they beat me when they got here. Sure enough. And I went to the... Payphone. I went to the studio. You went to payphone first or you had a phone at the house? Yeah. We had a phone at the house. But I go to payphone. It was cool at the... Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Quarter. They put nothing wrong with it. We had no problem with that. Oh, no. I'll ask one more. I'll ask one more. Everybody see us and they know that we got the Beeple. That's how you show up. Like doctors. My mama said, you thank you a doctor. They used to give us that rap. That's the way they would come out. What you think, you a doctor or something? Oh, yeah. Drug dealer or doctor. Drug dealer or doctor. So... Pick one. Or a rapper. Or a rapper. Or in the music industry. Something like that. So he called you and... Who called you? You tripped. Who beat you and then you called him back? A boy. A boy. A boy. A boy called me and he said, we'll come to the studio. So it's out there at Sound Lab. When Sound Lab was out at Los Calinos. I go out there. We kick it, you know. And I'm gonna tell you something. I was so used to the way Nemesis and Ron C. were doing their studio sessions. And it was, you know, Snake was... Come on. Let's go. We got time. Every time is money. But they was just relaxed and coming, going, going, going, going, going. So I said, what? What's happening? What's going on? I said, what's going on? I said I got worried about it. Oh I don't feel it today. That's what pimped came in and said one day. I don't feel it today. I counseled a sis. He said, you need a drip? So that first day Ron didn't show... I remember the first day I showed up, I spoke with full blunts. So I wrote like by five fat, fat joints. They loved me for it. Yeah. And everybody had their own rooms and man, we just kicked it kicked and then the next day. I show up again and by them and charges You know, hey man, you're cool. I'm cool When you come to when you come to Port Arthur, I want you to come to Port Arthur. I got my own house imagine an 18 year old kid Telling you he got his own house. He has own house his own car And I'm thinking to myself but Maybe about 24. Yeah, but the 18 year old said I got all You can come stay with me blah blah blah. I'm gonna do your album for you that I like your style So me and him kind of really bonded. Yeah, so we I don't know what happened to me But I'm in but still cool to the day like we're brothers But nothing like you in here because Chad move the Dallas for a while and stay with me Yeah, he stayed with me for about three three four months Yeah, and then when I moved to Port Arthur when I was the height man for you GK, you know, I stayed with him for Five or six months. Wow until I got my own place out there in Port Arthur Yeah, but that's how I met that's how we came about right so and I don't want to skip nothing But I do want to ask you because you brought up your son while ago when I heard that verse I didn't know it was a real thing or if it was or not I just know he was jamming it when he said it made so much sense I want to hear about how it was and was you know, how he how what happened Oh, you want to hear what happened kind of what how did that happen? All I remember Is how were you at this time you 20 times in I'm still about this is in 1995, okay? Yeah, so yeah, would your son be your first child? Yes, he was five. Okay, just what it was I was on the road with you. Okay, and then we were in between Super tight and riding dirty, okay, and so I My mistake was when I moved to Port Arthur. I left my car here. I had car problems. Okay And something I don't need no car down there, you know, cuz you know Port Arthur was kind of a small city And you know with them they say all men's wear across town, but it'd be 10 minutes Yeah, you know I'm saying I said cross town for us is 20 30. Yeah. Yeah, yeah You know, so I sound really need no ride chatter chump any keys every time I want to go somewhere blah, blah, blah But I shouldn't have never done that. Yeah, because when The show slowed down. I mean we were doing shows we leave out on Wednesday Thursday Friday Saturday Sunday Come back Monday or Tuesday and now I don't win see again. Wow, and that's that was that was working So I ain't need no car But when the show slowed down and they started doing the pre-production of riding dirty Yes, I had already gotten me another spot and it was across town and I was working I say I'm gonna give me another gig and I've always worked. I'm you know, I grew up like that So I said, you know what I had I History working at Sears Yeah, I go to Sears at the mall out there and see if they're hot me. They're hot man So I was walking back and forth from knows about a mile. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, good guy And so they got to traveling on me, you know going to Chicago and stuff leaving me in town, you know Cuz the recollect wouldn't pay for it. Yeah Pre-production Yes, I move back to Dallas for a little while I call Chad I said brahman move back to Dallas for a little while When that closer to the time when the album comes out, I'll come back Yeah, so I came back to Dallas. It was a little boy birthdays and it was in October Okay, so I celebrated that five-year birthday with him and you know two months later. December the fifth That's when that happened. Yeah, it was what he was with his mother. So bro. He was at He was at his at his mom's house. Okay, and which was his grandparents. Yeah, you know So it was I don't know a lot of people don't know this before children died. Okay, four children Ford for four babies the oldest one being eight. They were his probably cousin. Those were his cousins. Yes Those were his they ever find out what happened. Yeah, they say it was electrical. See the the father Was a Contractor, okay a damn good one good. He had added on to the house. Yeah, and then we added real Yeah, you know and they've been there for a long time Yeah, you know, you know when it was all on the news and everything they were trying to blame it on Christmas lights I'll count other it ended up being faulty wiring faulty wire. So the adults weren't there. Was there any? Yeah, but at the other part of the house and where this how this house was it was like You know ideas when you add on to your houses you come out the back door and boom You're in another room down the room and they had built an upstairs part So they in that other part of the room upstairs And then when the fire broke out in that section of the house this probably this side of the house Don't even know what's on fire. Yeah, you know, so I'm just Yeah, yeah You know once I got the car it was already over. Yeah, it was over sat down From work when I got that phone call. Wow, and it was a problem about a 10 minute drive. I drove there and Was the mom there at a time when it happened. Yeah, but uh All I remember them telling me was that The mom's dad was was trying to get him. He was trying to get to a meeting he got hurt trying to get trying to get You know, the flames prevented him from reaching them. Yeah, you know, he had scaled You know some outside. Yeah, trying to get to him. Yeah, which is which is quite natural. That's what you would do It's nothing. It's nothing like seeing a four-small cat. No, no, ain't nobody trying to see you for life It changed and I know that had to hit you and how did how did you how did you The father because if he was trying to get it's different like You weren't there, but this person him was there trying to get to the kids and let me explain something to you about this guy This guy is kind of like same situation in my wife. There was a age difference between he and his wife Yeah, you know saying so he was an older man, but he was still working. Yeah, and I say older This was like a 70-year-old man. Yeah working, you know full gray beard and everything just cool, you know, just a cool man and I was just gonna get there. I'm pretty sure Oh, yeah, I never talked to him. I never talked to him about that. That's a good question. Yeah When you're there and you're trying to help somebody especially with kids, yes, you know that I have to affect you Oh, and you know back in nobody's talking my mental. No, they wouldn't nobody's talking my mental They were going through it. Oh, yeah, especially for a man, you know, man's supposed to be tough How did you how did you move forward? Well, a lot of stuff I mean Family, you know, I can remember leaving that scene me and the mother. We went over to my parents house. I called Chad Told him cuz he knew him, you know, he knew my whole family my home everybody and I can remember him crying like a baby. Wow, it was And so Fast-forward, you know, Reynolds over, you know, trying to live my life and I can remember being on Greenville Avenue At Good Eats. Okay. And then this is the story. I think my people go off I'm eating and the people go off and I see this Chad I'll call him later and he beat me again 911. Yeah, we used to do that, you know, 911 say common right now I get up I get on the phone. I Said, what's up? He said, listen to this, you know, he's trying to play some music that he playing in this Yeah, and I can hear it. I hear my name But I can really hear it. Yeah. Yeah, he's gonna worry about a nigga. I'm on the slab on my way to you He's I just left the studio doing this song. Wow. We walked out. We're on my way to you So he came he and the Leroy. Yeah, they drove all the way down the Dallas just to let me hear the song We went to my apartment. They met me in my apartment. We played that song probably 80 times Wow, they slept on the floor and on the couch and got up the very next day and went back to Houston All he came here for the show you was to let me hear that song stuff like that got me through it Come on when the first time you hear. Oh, yeah, come on man. Yeah, I can imagine Yeah, it was a trip the what he said was so dope The way he said it was so real and let me tell you what kind of visionary he is leaving the studio in the car on the phone first thing out is my this the first song on the album That's how it go And the album was nowhere near to being completed. He said this will be the first song on the album Man, I had run his pencil here and he sung that first part. Oh, yeah Man and I went down there what about a week ago and hung out with him for the new year I never met him. You never met him. I never knew that I had you here I definitely would introduce y'all. Yeah, good dude, man Because after that like you say a lot of stuff as black man and just people period back then, you know You deal with stuff and you don't know you're dealing with something. That's it You know, I'm just I'm feeling down. I don't feel like fucking with somebody. Yeah, but you know You don't know you're going through a depression. Yeah Bilo, you know about Around the town chair died. Yeah, and the feelings we he and I were having yeah, a lot of people didn't realize that what we were What you were going through depression man, that's when that happened. I have I'm jumping the gun. No, but Just the fact you know, but I'm just saying like like you brought up below and below was on here He gave us some dope stories, too And he also lived with but with a pimp see in Atlanta in Atlanta and and just the stories He told man was just enlightening for us man. I don't know if they ever were told I know that I don't know how many I've never seen an interview, but he came here and blessed our platform Oh, yeah, I watched and that was a dope interview But but you man like I said When you when you have to go through something like you went through and then you still able to overcome and you guys That would have been a what at 97 96 when he yeah, when he dropped that yes Cuz Yeah, right and dirty. Yeah, I listen to that that song over and over again actually that that song right there It hit home early on yeah, and even I mean bun cried when after pimp died to that song You could see it was hurting him. Oh, yeah One day you're hearing then you go on resonate so much with life and it just continues to keep going through Just it's it's pretty much not something that it's timeless. Yeah. Yeah, it's timeless It'll it'll be here forever. There's a video on YouTube of the funeral. Yeah Give it a different different feeling. Yeah, and it's got us carrying the casket. Yeah Man, I ain't man. That's my boy man. Like I said, I used to love listening to him I was hurt when he was locked up. Yeah, you know Let's talk about that a little bit cuz that had to take you by storm when he got locked up Yeah, I gotta have that like that's a core thing a core moment for me. Yeah, because I was with him You know I'm saying kind of close me off to the music because I cut for him so much just uh, I listen to to UGK that was mine. That was my thing I met bun a couple of times like I always say but I never had to got to meet you know We went I don't know if he was with me at the car show I I seen him perform at the car show, but I never got to talk with it. Yeah, I was there Yeah, I remember that we had the dickie suit on and coming through walking just walking that state. He's right out. He got out Yeah, that's it. Yeah, I was happy about that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so how did you how did that end up happening? What was going on? You can talk about it now. I'm no longer with us for as high end up getting jammed up and all that Good stuff. I didn't get jammed. Yeah, what happened that made him. Yeah, and then what he told me, of course That's where I want him from from your standpoint. Okay. This is what he told me Initially You mean the We'll put him on probation. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. This is what he told me. He said, I'm in the mall I'm in a certain store. Okay. He said I'm talking to the store associate. Okay, and the store shows, you know He's you know, he's being friendly. He knows who I am. Yeah, you know, everything's cool So he finishes helping me and he goes and starts helping two girls and then his excitement He says, hey, y'all know who that is over there. That's P. M. C And the girls, of course, I'll fuck that motherfucker. I know P. M. C And the Chad I know Let me tell you something that high-pitched voice You ain't gonna talk you know and those and with it being high pitch. He cut you with every word. Yeah And so he rip him up with with his words He leave out the store and so he said I go into a different store And as I'm in this different store, it's like 15 20 minutes later He said those same young ladies walk in with three or four guys So in his mind, they go get some guys to come after him So he's like I'm strapped in the mall bobo, you know me, you know So he pull up show that he strapped and as he does it, he said, oh, shit. I shouldn't have done it Put it down. He said I store heads toward the door. They go to a mall security He says by time as soon as I hit the door bobo Damn, they grab him. He hit his head all on the door. You know, they grab him. It's too like like two of them grab him He hit his head all on the door. They say He just hit on the cop car everything. Yeah, because you know, hell in it. Yeah, so he go to jail And this is what I learned A lot of things I learned from that situation Fat forward Christmas Christmas time. So this is Uh has to be Christmas 2000 2000 2001 I'm in my mom's house. I get a phone call Well, excuse me. No, yeah, I get a phone call because I got a cell phone there. Yeah. Yeah. It's pimp Is he's like bro You know, my album is already out, right with the biscuit up off me. He's like say man I won't talk about that too, but we got a show tonight Chocolate city first show UGK has done in four years first show in houston and Since I was there He said we need you to open. Wow. I said when right now So I gotta go tell my family that I gotta go. So I call up all my people We hit the road. We go down to houston. It's a beautiful situation Come back. Okay. Let me tell you this show is Bobo Luciano opening in the middle fingers and then it's UGK So then we come back You know the next week mama called me. Yeah, she said baby Um Talk to chat We just got this dirty city tour booked Okay, I said, okay. Wow, you know, we're gonna pay. We're gonna pay you. I ain't gonna tell you how much it's gonna pay you But it's it's one thing about one thing. Oh my god. One thing about chat And that whole family UGK family They were not stingy with the money. Yeah, you know when I was the hype man, they paid me like like I was out there Yeah, yeah, like an artist, you know, I had my own room You know, I didn't have to sleep with the DJ sleep with the dance. None of that none of that Bobo, you got your own room and this is your money Oh shit after the show go in mama room get the money. So yeah, so so we do this show She tell us, you know, we're gonna do this fifth. So we're gonna do 15 shows Get the bread come back to houston and we're gonna shoot look at me video I said, oh, wow, that's gonna be dope mama. I said, uh, who's gonna shoot it? boom town Yeah Oh So boom time living up here. I said, that's gonna be wild. I said, well mama since the uh Cameras gonna be there and everybody gonna be in Present This gonna shoot biscuit up off me for you at the same time She said, let me call chad nasty. She called chad. She called me right back. He said, that's a genius so Next week he went to uh for his court apartment And never came out. Wow And never came back out. Well never's a long word four years four years later Yeah, so And I know it did hurt you. Uh, did you you you did take trips down there? Where to I never he told me he told me don't come. Okay. He told me I wrote in my most I know I wrote him once a month at least and he rolled back. Oh every Yeah, come on now. Yeah, so and every time I said boy, let me put some money on your books He wouldn't take it. He wouldn't take it from me at all because I got people putting money on my books, but I know you're trying to make it That's okay You need it. Let me know. I got it and that's how it was. So wow That's that's dope man, uh that that he understood because I I can relate You know, I hear a lot of people on you know, because I watch you Yeah, and and and people say this and you've heard this from everybody and it's true There was a difference between chat and there was a difference between bmc Yeah, yeah, I'm one of the only people that I know that's what runs run run Spencer said It was different. I don't want the only people that I don't think chat ever went out for Really? Yeah Everybody you and probably running because running says the same thing because of you. Yeah Yeah, and I was older. I was one of the years. I was like that No, don't do that. Don't do that, bro Bro, you tripping. Yeah, I was that on his shoulder, you know, and that's why he always liked me around because he got the trip and I Are you tripping pio? Yeah, you tripping and he'll listen. Oh, what? What? Yeah, it was it was different. Um, so when you when you um When he was down there and he gets ready to come home, you know, I know now This is what a celebration begins, but I know it's hard as y'all go through it. Oh, yeah um Bumpy did an splendid job doing the freedom pimp see campaign man You didn't know it was that big until after it was over. I knew what I liked it. I love it. I seen it I seen it and I respected it. It was going on too. He was going hard. He was ripping everybody Everybody was trying to get him on verses and everything. Everybody was getting but but every time he rip them up Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that free pimp see we're killing them man the t-shirts Everything it was just on point the way he done that and I always I always think about that time because that was a time in itself where And then I felt so bad when pimp passed because I knew it was like a double m in a burn because he already had went through So much man. I thought about that as well. You did oh my god. Yeah, and you can kind of hear In that next uh, what is not the trilogy but that two-trill album. Yeah But he wasn't passionate. No, no, he even alluded to it on on that show like it was tough on everybody man But like I said for him The way he was campaigning for and then to not see it come to fruition because he had already I know in his mind He he could see this big picture happening. You don't know I had just come back I was going through a divorce at that time, right? And I called him and I said say I'm going through divorce. Baba Baba I said, well man, you know, I got a I always used to take my vacations from the car dealership First week of october because of the fair. Yeah, I always did. Yeah, and he said come on down And so he said I'll you you can stay at the uh my high rise on west time I'll leave the keys for you at the front desk. So I went down there And um when I got there he was still there come on upstairs. He was still there So we went to port art. I stayed in port art to like two three days, you know, that was an adventure. Wow Yeah, that was an adventure. I got to live uh stay sleep on his couch for two three days and queenie not queen I'm true. No. Hey queenie. Yeah Yeah, uh chenara. Yeah, narra drove me back to houston And so that's when I stayed at the high rise then I hung out with money queenie after that but it was uh, that's when he gave me the uh The shirt. Yeah a couple of other treatments and things like that and then fast forward to uh Thanksgiving, so that was october and I can uh The stuff bro, let me have stuff that he was telling me and playing for me and the phone calls he was taking in front of me This is what he was playing in before drake He was playing in a double cd. Okay. Half rap Half singing she chad stayed away from that singing. Yeah early Yeah, I heard him say something about his high pitched voice For some reason he just didn't like singing and I remember when he sung a lot of people didn't know that that was him singing on uh Having things. Yeah, I did you know I knew the video. Yeah. I said, bro, that's that thing was hard too. Oh, yeah Yeah, yeah, so he I don't know why he shied away from that so much But by that time he had embraced he had taught to embrace it So he was going to do a song that was going to be produced by Timberland. This is what he's telling me. Okay produced by Timberland Him and Justin Timberlake. Hey Was that going to go to him? Man, come on man, that thing will still be rolling right now and he told me he said, bubble I want you to quit your job He said come on back down here with me We about to hit this road I got a radio show Because I you know, I had that dirty south block party I don't know we was doing that for eight and a half years And I had already because of the divorce and everything that I was going through I was planning on retiring because I you know, I had two daughters at that time So I got to play that yeah, yeah, it was on Saturday night from 10 to midnight. I'm like who gonna watch my kid That's here. You know, so I'm a single father at that time. I'm planning playing this all I saw um He said I got a radio show And I never met this gentleman But he says it's gonna be you you're gonna control the boys and Pmc and little devolve and it's gonna be on xl. Hey, I said, okay so He comes down for Thanksgiving We do the show at um Blue, okay, you know, we chop it up. We stay together, you know, he he was supposed to come You know stay with me at my house that night and then he said now Some some some soft sort of showed up for him. He wanted to stay. Yeah. So so he stayed at the hotel and um Eight days later You know, I mean come on. Yeah it was just Yeah, that that was that that was crazy. Yeah, and he and I were see chat was I did the first interview with him out of jail on the radio I think I heard that I listened to I listened to man. We got some classic interviews the most classic one Was the one where he's standing outside by the fence. I'll show you some pictures from that night But we did some interviews man They don't know youtube youtube. Yeah youtube or some people recorded and they they uploaded it on youtube Yeah, he would just call me anytime he wanted to vent and he'd be like And he get on I let him get on the urn just do his thing. He he did that Twice before he did their lanter interview. Yeah, I heard that one he did one where he really went out for a skip Cheater miss on uh I think I heard the one tonight. I listened to that one before or earlier today But let me ask you about that bitch to get up off of me, man How did you guys because I I want to just hear the story on on on how he ended up making that song with you Or for you or how did you guys end up doing that? Okay? The gentleman The name's Ron. Okay. I'm there. Here we go. Yeah the same run that through the uh concert When wow, he was uh Big he was a big boy. Yeah big big boy and but he was quiet a lot of people didn't know and I grew up with him from junior high school on so he uh He uh wanted to get into the music industry and so he said, okay, you know, I told he knew I was my affiliation And so, you know, we this is it. You know, we worked out all the details We worked out all the paperwork come on down chat. So Chad gets to my house Ron shows up To give him money for his room. Yeah, right? So we get the money for the room. He don't even come upstairs to meet him I go downstairs and just get the bread and we come back up. So we got studio that night. I can remember we were scanning um Curtis Mayfield's a disography trying to find a sample. Okay, and so he saw I got one Don't ask me what it was But because too many blunts away In Too many too many blunts since the winner what he just found like a little baseline. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? It's the one He was funny like that. And so I can remember he made that beat At dub one studio standing up in about 15 minutes. Wow and the guy never showed up to come pay him run Never played for the studio session never paid for nothing. And so he looked at me and said, well fucking bubble You can just have a beat I looked at him and said, I can just have it He said, yeah, and I can just I sat on that beat for about two years Before we recorded it. Yeah and the night from All the stuff happening from I know you strapped that song. Yeah, we were in the uh presidential suite at the uh Anatole when we came up with the hook What's up black? You know out of Memphis. Okay, you know female rapper. Yeah, that's my home girl. She was she was there Pimp me and dj bird We in uh Presidential suite and we come up with the bitch get up off me hook and then we go to the studio the next day Then that's when I let budget out. Wait Hey, so let me ask you this. It was a known fact that on uh, uh And and he may never may not have even said nothing to you about this But when he uh did that a big pimping with jz. Yeah, did you ever talk with him about anything about that? That no, I'm gonna tell you what what what he told me and what I do know Yeah, and I don't know how true it is, you know, but this is what he said I'll say I do know when I say That she contradicts But um at that time I don't like talking about stuff like this because I'm married now and at that time I was married to someone else. Okay, so anyway, um Uh again, I'm at work at Sears I'm working at working man boy. They love him. He over at Sears making that money Give it a look give it a look Get up In a way, I um I'm working this series about time I get home Um, well the song's already out, you know, you know, I I remember being at the spot on greenville I'm a theft. I'm a rewind. We're at the spot at greenville. UGK is on concert and um, I'm standing right there by the DJ I'm in the DJ booth as they're Performing and we I'm rolling weed in the deep. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and then handing it to him on stage and then he said, bobo They a bird to give you that album And then I look at this record It's a big pimping bud. I said Why? This doing this show. Yeah, you know, I said why and so they play at that night I'm so so okay. So fat fortune. I'm at work, right? He calls and uh, well, excuse me. I get home And my wife say at that time my ex wife says, uh, your boy be trying to call you all day I said, what? So I call him back And he said, man, I hear jay-z right here trying to talk to you man. I'm down here. I said He wanted jay to talk to me. I don't know why just wanted to talk to you. I don't know why I don't know jay said tell me about the dude from the uh Yeah, let me talk to that was the album that really touched jay-z. I don't know But he wanted you and him to talk. I don't know why I never asked Chad why? uh What made me come up or anything just the fact that he said jay-z wants to talk or he wanted me to talk to jay-z One of the two. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. That's dope, man That's dope to have those type of memories and know that you that those conversations went on between you and pimp Oh, he got me. I talked to Chad Back then. Oh shoot for sure. I would say when we befriended each other If we didn't talk every other night You know, I know you hear a lot of people say man Chad liked to call those late night. Yeah. Yeah, he called those late nights And wouldn't get you off the phone. My arm was every other night. Hey, my arm was every other night sometimes for a long time It was every night He just won't talk to you don't want to call like this But then the one of the times that I'm too sleepy. I'm pretty sure is when he Got me every night man He liked the pimpin the big pimpin song. Did he love it? He never said anything to me. He just told me, you know, everybody knows story about him Not not want to do it, but I just wanted to know if he after it happened He didn't embrace it, you know, but he was doing so much man Chad was a different dude, bro. Move on to the next thing. Chad was a different dude, bro He was truly underground king He never ever wanted to Give bad impression to his fan base. Yeah, he always wanted to stay street In southern and texas That's it. That's what that's what locker seeing right there. I mean, he represented for texas and poured Arthur In the south. Yeah harder than anybody. I ain't never seen nobody do it like that in my life Yeah, I heard dmd said he will I remember the first time I heard him rapping like that In other words, he must have had a different style Yeah at first and when he say I heard him rapping like that that must have been in that southern brawl Yeah, he wasn't trying to hear it at that point. No, man, but that southern brawl is what made us Yeah, did so early on he dealt with uh, masterpiece them a little bit. I can remember that Um, they had some differences. We won't have to get into all that But uh, did you remember some of those relationships and some of the times I remember doing the show in uh, Jackson, Mississippi We did the show in Jackson, Mississippi and uh, this is the only time That I didn't have my own room. Okay, so I don't know what happened But they put bird and Myself in the same room, but the room Was huge. Okay, and instead of twin beds each one of us had king size In the room. Wow. And so after the show, I can remember this. This is weird Um smoke d smoke d had Got out of jail. He came by the room. He had this CD At the time and it was masterpiece first CD where you lay it down. Yeah, yeah And we didn't have no music. So we had a party in our room, you know with the boppers And so So all the girls came by our room. We didn't have no music So we put that CD on just playing over and over. He said man, let's do her jamming jamming fair forward about, um Two months later, we do a show I can't think of the name of the town in Louisiana We'll meet this guy called, uh, money. Okay Money and he was he was starting a group. It was called cc waterbound. Okay, well monies Cousin was moby dick. Okay. So moby dick was the the introduction to masterpiece So about a month later chas like hey this guy's You know, he's he's sending for us to come down and do it a verse with him So that's when you heard the first Which one which one was it because it was it was a few of them. I got four 18 willers man back to front That boy used to have a sweet, you know for every piece that I've looked up. He killed that. Yeah That bitch from the stock stack g that one that one that one that was the one straight to my house That thing that he and he had the best verse on it my opinion by far When I see you gave me a favorite. Yeah, that one. I know exactly which one used to be so conscious about his rap because he Everybody was on bond as far as lyrics. Yeah, and when I moved in with him He said, but boy, I'm gonna do something to you that you're gonna get tired of I've already mastered these beats. So let me let me rewind I finally get inside this house and realize that this boy got at 18 does He do at the house you go and everybody everybody at his house. Well Everybody there's no pimp And he allowed to come in his house know about the weed room So we got the weed room in his house and my room was across from the weed room It was the weed room the bathroom the bathroom was where they recorded A thing break a mouse um and all that stuff masterpete was in there Yeah, and my bedroom was that bedroom right there. But anyway, yeah So he's a he's a leo. So he he rolled up on the house one day and knocked. He didn't know nobody really Oh But he said he got to hit the blood and then he left. You remember that? That's the house that's part of the joint or whatever it was. You know about him and uh blue light getting into it No, uh, what what happened? Well, you know blue light is from the other rap on short texas Uh, okay. Okay. Israel kite. Yeah, that when I moved when I moved to port out There was a civil war going on ugk posse against that clique. Okay, and they had just jumped on burn in the club And so that night I got there we was going to the club Yeah, I figured well, it was a problem. You know I'm saying so. Yeah, it was uh, I remember moving the park We moved I moved to port author They said come to houston. We got a show And then we go after show we just so I borrow my bags and they show You know I'm saying so that that's how that when I had my partner drive me to houston And then I rode with them back to to port author and then that very night is when we went to the uh went to the club But but but I know you and pimp was real solid But how how do you how do you think pimps and buns relationship was and how did you how did you like The way they I know the music was solid always, you know, but just how vibing with them riding with them dealing with them How was that? um I mean their brothers their brothers their brothers. I mean brothers have issues. Yeah, yeah, I mean everything You know is hunky-dory. Yeah, but they were brothers. Yes every time they came down to it You better not say shit about pimp to bun. You better not say nothing about bun to pimp Yeah, and there was always any friction was always behind closed doors. Yeah, yeah That's why when I heard something about the ugk posi getting into it one time in houston after he had died It ran me so hot. Yeah, because I was you knew that wasn't the way it goes 17 And I call him I said bro. What are y'all doing? Yeah, but you gotta understand they went through a lot though That's a lot to lose pimp. But to get into it each other. Yeah, but they public Yeah, no, that's bad in public. Yeah at a concert. Yeah, that's bad. No, bro. That's bad No, man, that's just like them dudes. But they hurt but they hurt they hurt but and I guarantee you when you lose a pimp That's a big loss man. You say that but I know the real you and you in the midst of it. Yeah, I wasn't there Yeah, but you know what's going on. I know what you had told me about people everybody that Was around Chad after he got out of jail. I knew why they were around. Yeah, because he told me why he was You know, yeah, yeah Release some of that information. No, no, I get it for for their feelings. Yeah. Yeah. No, I get it. Yeah, but some of them, you know, like I mean, I'm not Cool, I don't have any allegiance with him. But like the 17 cat. Yeah Yeah, you know, he told me the situation why he was wrong, you know, the thing about Chad He was big time opportunities. Yeah, you know, it's about that bread. Yeah And the thing and see people in the UJK policy, you know, everybody was waiting on their album and their opportunity Who's gonna be next? And the reason 17 got put in front of everybody This is from Chad He had his own money. Yeah, he bought his way in. Yeah. Yeah, I hear Chad do this. Let me just yeah I want to be a part of it. Yeah, try to get my and that's all it was. Yeah. Yeah. That's all it was It was a business opportunity. Yeah. Yeah So the shit about the protege and all that all that came out the Yeah, yeah, never caught him now. Yeah, Steve B. Low is the protege. I know that's what bonds it Steve B. Low is the protege Yeah by far. Yeah, I've been Steve B. Low through Chad through Chad and that was how you're going to introduce me to somebody from my city And that's exactly how that's what I said to him. How the fuck you're going to do somebody from my own city Yeah, but they had met through Louisiana. Yeah. Yeah. He told the story on here He told how they met and everything that was dope story as well, man So so but y'all I'll click after that and and I see you and Steve B. Low still maintain a relationship Yeah, he called me. He's like, man, you gotta do bobo. I said, who the hell is bobo? He said my man bo I said, I don't say nothing else nigga get that nigga to me, man But no man, um the thing I can attest to is that um, you know, you guys are are are are The you would make Texas what it is When you look at what the foundation I'm talking about those I'm talking about run C. I'm talking nemesis. I'm talking about ugk I'm talking about, um, man, it's a bunch of them though. I even say, uh For show you shade the dj's all that stuff, man Even dr. Rock, man, just when you would come and hear those. I hate to go to work Come on, man. You know, we we can't forget about the foundation, man. You know what I'm saying But let me tell you something about that. I'm giving up. I'm glad I got this platform. Yeah A lot of people In this area always say well, why Dallas came pop What's the difference between Dallas and Houston? Yeah The difference between Dallas and Houston is the younger cats Don't know the history You right And see in houston they embrace the history. Yeah, and they work with the older people You know, or at least communicate with them to learn game from it. Yeah, it's very very very important. Yeah, I remember one time I met travel. Yeah, I know trap mama. You know, I just realized I A yellow bees his daddy was my homeboy. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't even know that I remember yellow bees when he was little and when I saw him You know, you see somebody said, I know that dude face I seen him with his daddy As a youngster. Yeah, but I never he grew up to be yellow bees Yeah, I'm saying rest in peace Tony Tony. Yeah, so he was cool with with yellow bees his dad And and and that's because that's around our age. That's that's our thing. That's our thing The dude used to pay me to come uh wrap that swappamento. Yeah at the after hours. Yeah Yeah, so his dad was one of those guys. Yeah, he was one of those guys A real real stumped down. He was a hustler. He was a hustler. Yeah. Yeah That's during well, is that four players and all that or Players club and all that you know, it was after after players club. Oh, you come on. Yeah, I've been there I went back Yeah, you way back. Yeah, but but definitely man, um And trap trap boy doing this thing. Like I said, you got you know, I mean I hated what happened with mode three and all that man. But that's still, you know, that's the history Yeah, uh, you know in the bible the genealogy is so important. You didn't think about it just going back, you know, like History is important. Even the slavery since anything is important. Yeah, but I don't know why Dallas don't keep it don't make it a priority to be important. We different up here. Yeah, and I take it from this Okay, because my mom's from houston And I I spent a lot of time as a as a youngster in houston And so we come up 45 And we go straight to uh third ward. Mm-hmm. And third ward was rough, you know, she went to sky street. Yeah, she went to She stayed on berry right off of scott. Yeah, you know saying, uh She could walk the yates and walk the tsu. So and it was poverty stricken. Yeah. Yeah So then we leave and come get back on 45 here. You know, yes And so I thought all of houston was like that and so houston was is a blue collar city to where Lot of Louisiana people real friendly, you know said they don't play but the people are real You know saying they're gonna roll up their sleeves and go to work. Yeah the work ethic that they got here in Dallas I hate to say it. I grew up here. So I can a little bit more entitlement Yeah, a lot of more entitlement a lot of more smaller niggas and all that type of shit And so yeah, I used to expect things here because we are Dallas And we expect things to come to us because we are Dallas instead of going out and working for it You know, I mean those boys in houston was they laid the blueprint on how to get out there and hit that road as far as That's what running say running say, uh pimp taught him a lot on how to make money off of shows Bro, let me tell you say pimp was good at that. He was I mean the ideas that he would have, you know I was with pimp before and I want to talk about something else that I got a couple of things that just keep popping up for me. Yeah, I got some things over here. I'm trick laid like, okay Yeah, I can remember Before he really started doing a lot of Outside producing, you know and that type of thing when he just produced for himself. Yeah When he when he moved to Atlanta when everything kind of really popped Yeah, and he's he they him and bun called it rap hustling. Okay. That's what they called it. Um, I heard I know I met the guy one time at the film And so I'm not gonna bite my tongue. I heard a couple in it. I heard this guy say this a couple of times So I know this is what he really feels. Mm-hmm. But uh, david baller. Okay, david baller has this impression That pimps. He didn't know how to run the drum machine. He taught pimp how to run the drum machine Really? Yeah, I've heard him say that a couple times He didn't know how to run a mp. Okay because mp came out while he was locked up Yeah, but man, he and I used to walk up in the studio with the a s or 10 and r8 And kill most everything you heard from ugk pretty much in the in those the uh, super tight. Yeah, and uh, um Right under the swallow Yeah came out of sandjack Right, a lot of it was recorded in sandjack on that s or 10 And at r8 and we used to walk up in the studio with that with those two pieces of equipment and everybody's be like Where's everything else? That's all that's all you need. That's all this boy need. You heard me say he cracked out that that beat in 15 minutes Yeah, yeah, the boy was he was different. He was a little different, bro Yeah, so why why do you think it probably because of the the the musical, you know, I'm just talking about david band I'm feeling that way because of the Well, you got the age difference. But what do you think if he'll make the beat song? They were they were not keyboard beats. Yeah, but obviously the way that that Pimp could push the speakers. Maybe he's maybe he just wording it wrong different. He's wording it way wrong That's that that's out of line, bro. It's blasphemy. Yeah for him to say that pimp did not run the drum machine Yeah, bro. Yeah, he yeah Pocket full of stones. Are you serious? Man, man, come on. That that boy that that boy. I got a pocket full of everything. Come on, man And boy to tell you that r8. Yeah, and then he gave it r8 to steve billow Billow steve billow sat on that r8. The whole time pimp was in jail So that's what billow was making his beat song the everything billow was the main producer on my album. Okay all right that r8 trained by the pimp So so the pimp definitely could it makes any kind of bc wanted to make oh my god. Come on made a boy He's different Well, you know people what maybe because maybe pimp told david band or something about He helped him to understand that type of beat machine. That's what you think Let me tell you Bro, because I see it back I mean, have you ever addressed him on it? No, this is the first time this is me addressing it. Yeah, put that in your tag I'm gonna tag you. That's me right there. I'm good on that. Yeah, let me tell you a lot of people See, I hadn't been doing no interviews. This is my first Really? Yeah, a lot of people. What made you do this? All right. We gotta ask that because we're the dopest right This is so bad This is the thing i'm saying about the steve below. No, let me tell you about back up to the steve below. Okay, and I spoke And I said to him I said below, you know what's been going on with you and I See, I suffer from depression. Wow, he do too because he's being him talking about it until you start talking about it I said you ever think that That situation that we went through when him passing Is what led us into our depression I said because at that time you think about what was going on with me. This is what was going on with me My record label was right here. I mean two mixtapes were recorded The album was uh second album was recorded. Um Everything everything was working. Everything was moving Chad was talking, you know, we were everything was popping and then all of a sudden My business partner go to jail Um couple years. I don't know how long he's gonna be gone from uh, uh, he's like the executive producer. You know what I'm saying? I was the I was there the industry connect the brain and the audience and he was the that was my guy. Yeah, he was the street guy Yeah, he was you. Yeah Watch yourself. He done put me in there. He's telling the truth. He was the bag Yeah, definitely. I started going through my divorce That's a lot started going through my divorce. Um Pimp died that's a lot and then my mom got diagnosed with um Diabetes And all termos at that time were dementia at that time. So all that happened to me In that year in 2007 Wow, yeah, all all in that second quarter and then in the fourth quarter of the year Everything pop pop pop hit me and I'm not knowing That's before people start talking about depression. Nobody knows what they are But they're not not in the black community. Not in the black community I'm not some man. I'm not some man. Yeah. Let me shake that shit off, nigga. You know, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You gotta do it. You gotta You gotta have a big boy. Yeah, there was a bunch of drinking stuff. I didn't need to be doing. See, that's what I was gonna ask you If you know who saved my life Right there Wow, and I can't believe it because that was around the same time. I was already been calculated over here How did she get through to you? Our friendship we were friends first You know, it's god I work on faith Everything I've ever done pretty much all my life was like if you say if I'm talking about an adventure A venture and then you say hey check this out, bobo I feel like god put me here to hear you say that I think I'm here for a reason or a season But you didn't get that right away because I I'm sure this is just me making an assumption That no that whenever you are going through all of these things hitting you back to back to back Like any regular human being they're gonna say god why me? Yeah, I never did that. I never had self pity You just the only thing I said why me on Was the chance situation because I didn't know how serious the diabetes and the uh, uh, I didn't care about the divorce Yeah, I didn't care about the divorce at all I don't think I cared about the divorce was what was going to happen to my two daughters two daughters because if she Wasn't from Dallas not I thought she was gonna try to move my and try to Try to take my key and then I ended up with custody of my wife and I yeah, so But men are men are cave men's too. They mean all the hot stuff real well. Yeah We are hot stuff and we'll still we'll be okay on the surface. Yeah, but then inside we're dying dying on the inside I know that and and and so I could see how you could hold it in Even up until this time Yeah, I'm I could see how it could still be a thing to where you still slowly recovering after all these years I when did you realize that it was depression? Like how long ago? I don't go it was baby I can remember exactly when it was Whenever black Panther came out. That's when it was what triggered it I was at work going off on everybody at work I was at home going off on people at the house and my wife says listen, baby You got something because every year around november december Yeah, I was always around the same time his birthday something changed with me So I didn't I couldn't figure it out and she would just be like you ever noticed that this is happening around this time And I you know, you know your wife see stuff in you that you don't see yeah, and so I was like Hey, you need to go talk to somebody. Yeah, or you need to go to the doctor one of the two There's no cure for that Those are your two choices and I decided to go to the doctor So I'm still on medication to this day. That's good, man Man, I got a weakness for uh, medicine. Yeah, you know, even through like the x-pills thing. Yeah I can't take the whole x-pill. Give me a hand. I'm yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah So things that would have tried to Normally take people a week To get in that system and work that first night, bro She told me she said take the bill because my wife is an r&d. Okay, so the damn good one And so she told me she said take it at night because just This is some strong medication and sure enough that night, bro Fuck I feel It's amazing. I bought up x-pills because I felt like I was rolling. Yeah, I threw the sheets off of me I felt like the bed was moving when I woke up the next day It looked like a light bulb was off at me. Wow I went to work apologizing to people mean when I cussed you out yesterday. I'm sorry. I'm sorry That ain't me. That ain't me. Um, yeah, literally. Wow. I went to work and apologize about four or five That's dope. Um, but why did you choose The doc to over going to go talk to somebody Call business keep you from having too much time, you know to My time off I really tried to spend with my family The reason why I said because there's a lot of people who go through, um, mental illness depression all of that And some people say well, I can't take the pills and some people say i'm going to deal with this by myself Some people say all different sort of stuff. So i'm just trying to figure out That medicine is a beast I'm telling you because without it Wow, yeah Let me I'm gonna switch gears on you. I had one more question though about the mental illness. No Okay, where did you get a name bobo luchiano? Well bobo I've always been bobo Since From the mama. No, no one called you First person called me bobo was a guy named kevin paul kp. Why? Because my Because my arms are flicked. See how my arms are bowed out And everybody used to always say You'd always look like you And that's call you bobo. So I was bobo from a child and then um I was doing a guess first on somebody's record. I can't remember what it was And I said bobo luchiano in that verse Everybody said that's hot. That's it nigga. That's hot And that's how you get that's how let me ask you I want to go back to piano Oh And luchiano, you know the guy who he was the one that they gave the um The title to The person that organized the mob Look at that. Yeah. Yeah, that's right. And so that's what I when I came back to Dallas Pimp sent me pimp sent me here on a mission He said well, I want you to go back to Dallas. I want you to get your shit going in music And then we're going to start a movement and at that time Dallas was UGK's biggest market Yeah, yeah, yeah, we just talked about that. I mean, but it was Dallas for a long Time time. I mean we we had more concerts here than than anywhere outside of Louisiana. Yeah, and uh, yeah And so he told me get something going and that's what I did. So Let me ask you about uh, uh, I want I want to ask you about how I know how steve below met, uh, pretty much uh, yeah pimp, um, but but I want to kind of understand how that came to be from your perspective. Well, I really don't know You don't know how he got me to you Well, just from what everybody tell me from what he told me. Okay. Okay. See, yeah, that's what I'm saying from what he would What he would what how he addressed it and saying, hey, you know, I got to got boosie. He never told you about boosie Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He just, you know, I got to learn it man. He don't That's it. And that's how we talk about Yeah, we used to talk about other stuff besides all this because I remember when boosie came, you know, like When he came out, I know I got my first cd from george over there And he gave it to me. They had no none but boosie on there I think pimp see and boosie had a song together. I want to say It was a long time Yeah, it was something it was something they had to give me though. Yeah. Oh, yeah Finger fucking with my ring. Yeah with my diamonds on. Yeah, but it was it was I think he had a whole cd too, but You ain't never heard that. No, but listen He had a whole cd and uh, and he just told me that pimp see, you know, pretty much rock with boosie And um, I always thought like dang man, I was pimp, you know, and even webby They love they love bringing his name up and talking about him because of the legacy they left for them too So it's like even the klc when he was on here talked about yeah pimp left a piece with mr Lee as well you tell you something Because I listened to it all. Yeah, he did everybody that he came in touch. He did like everybody He was a different dude, bro. He was a beacon And in a different way. Yes each person in a different way. Yes Yes, that's crazy. Yes Yes, and like I say, I don't want to It so much to what you just said People take stuff and then in their head, you remember I say they they make these things up So much to the point that a famous dj. I can say his name in houston He claimed bobo Because he had just lost a little boy in the house far as well Really? He said he was the bobo that chad was talking about on the song. Oh You can't say his name. I he said he can but you know, oh, okay, you know, I don't want to but you don't want to he thinks that In his heart, he said a famous dj. Does he still is he's still a famous dj right now in houston? Oh my god, yes And he thinks that that was to him if I say his name, you'd be like, what? But he did lose a child in In a similar way At the same time though that he wouldn't I don't know Yeah, because it would have to be around the same time for chad told me in two different occasions So they got approached to him And said, bro, thank you for for doing that song for me. So I said, bro, it was and and chad didn't bust his bubble No, no, no, but it's good Exactly and that's that that's therapeutic for him. Yes That's why he what he's saying is he affect people like like so much that It crosses over into places where you wouldn't even imagine a lot of people say stuff. I'll be like You know the truth and that's the one that you know about but imagine how many other people Might feel that way that was about that's what I'm saying a lot when he did he'll make you feel like that though Yeah, he made me feel like a party full of stones. He was Oh, yeah, I was that guy in the beginning. Yeah He made you feel it. I would roll. Oh, yeah, I was a man And I was like, man, let's do yeah, this is this is all the therapy I need It was different it was because we weren't talking about D No, nobody wasn't talking about it when they came out talking about that D I was like, that's why I think he meant when he was saying that about like even about Alluding to the fact it was cheesy or whoever about fake dope prices and all that stuff And not talking about the bad When you just talk about the good this stuff was really happening and I knew because being from the streets I felt him on uh, uh The fairs in town and all that that was therapeutic as well and it kept me aware Of not getting caught up so much to not watch for the feds to come to the town That's right when you really you got to be mentally able to deal with this everything hustling All this like I say he was the counselor. He was a counselor for me. That's I Now you hey, you might be helping me tonight. That may be why I loved his music so much because being in the streets It was dangerous. Yeah doing all the stuff that was happening during that time and at the end of the day It made you feel like everything was going to be okay And if it wasn't you knew what you had to face exactly because you think I signed looking in people are they glorifying it? But no It wasn't a glorification of not all they did was say what they did that had been through in the pitfalls Yeah, you make your own choices You make your own choices and they could paint some vivid pictures and let me tell you something I can remember I tell you about how them boys could rap And and they would rap about Real-life experiences and that's like let me go back to port all things like that. That shit did happen That shit was real. Yeah, that's what that's mike jones when he talked about the car getting hit and uh zero gonna ride Blue and i'ma ride red. Yes, but That brings up something else. It brings up that knocking those down Yeah, yeah like like for him to come home and make that song like that And and to make everybody understand that we have to do better by each other Um, what was that about did he ever talk to you about knocking doors down? Yeah, he was I mean Sitting him down Like that, you know, it's therapeutic for some people. Some people go a different way Some people do they get the uh rehabilitation that they really need I think chat really got rehabilitated. He got to think about damn. I'm fucking up a lot of money. Yeah, I mean he he fucked up Family, you know, I'm talking about bun and myself. Yeah, you know money. You know what I'm saying? So, um Yeah, he talked to me about it. So when he came out You know, what excuse me while he was in there, all none of these artists were out You have to realize yeah, he didn't know Comey in there. He didn't know none. We were dj screw people. Yeah. Yeah, you know what I'm saying I remember the first night I met dj screw Master p came through. Yeah. Yeah, the the night I got the bubble tattoo. Yeah was the first night I missed screw Uh, uh, master p came through. So we were dj screw heads. Yeah, you know saying before the michael watson all that came out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but so when all that came out He was in jail He was in jail. Well, I take that back. They were bubbling But he didn't have relations as well But when he got out They're all gonna platinum. Yeah jones. Yeah, yeah power millionaire slim You know, so they all have names now c-ro was doing his thing. So they had went from being You know small underground to stars to beefing. Yeah, and he felt like Yeah, he's like oh what is the fuck They're gonna take this shit from us Because he was all about the south. That's right. Texas the south is too big and the whole south Man, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah that quit hating the south man. Yeah That quit hating the south man. I'm gonna say he he didn't hate The other coast he didn't play about this one. He didn't play about this one. That's what we knew He did not play about texas. He didn't play about port author and he didn't play about the south So if you talk down on the south you he's gonna hit every time Did you what did he feel away? Did anything ever happen that made him feel like Man, well, he talked about bt. He talked about all these different places where they was pretty much Yeah, they wasn't showing us the shine. Yeah that that we we deserved exactly And and we didn't need it because the money was coming anyway, right? Not the big money But the respect was not there the respect wasn't there I mean listen to outcast. I mean they were closer to the east Yeah, when they say the south got something to say with the fact that they said when they got the use I mean got to new york they got boo. Yeah, I mean the getaways got booed. Yeah, I mean UGK just never went up there to do any shows doing those times those first two albums So we're down here building this big foundation Mason Dixon lying on down And we don't really need them You can go plaiting them down here Little flip was one of the one of the ones that opened the eyes of that real family Little flip a lot of people didn't know that little flip was the big one out of houston He was And I think that was what caused a lot of problems little flip was a bad boy Especially when he dropped that sunshine song. Yeah. Yeah sunshine song took him to a new height. Yeah, it broke. It broke It broke culture barriers, man All overseas it transcended culture. I heard him doing the interview the other day on vlad. I don't know Yeah, that's cool. Yeah, but yeah, he um Yeah, he mentioned that you know about how he's certain amount of records here in the united states and Ex amount of millions overseas. Yeah, that's what did that. He did that but a lot of people didn't didn't they don't know that Didn't like that either. Yeah, they don't like that a lot of people did not like that and um You know, I don't know where that came from. There was a few things I probably would say not on camera, but I know some things that I was like, man Oh, yeah, I didn't have no way I wanted it too, but I felt a way about it But the thing I can say man is let me say this because we can go all night, but You and steve below man. I'm gonna try to get y'all back on here together. That's cool. That'll be a good time Yeah, you know what I'm saying. Oh, that's my brother. That'll be a good time That's my brother. Um, and and we can we can run down through there too. Oh, yeah Anytime you need me just call me man. We but hey, we feel I'm gonna periodically have y'all on here You don't even realize that I'm gonna be calling you because that's the foundation Yeah, and I'm I'm I'm old school with it. I just told you about genealogy So I'm always stay close to the foundation. We need to get these kids listening to this. Yeah, but they do good That's why I'm doing how you got now. Um, 20 2020 Months that's the I see nobody do it and we hit glad a couple of times and we hit that uh hip-hop DX that's major bro. They we got articles in all of that. I know how you didn't mean congratulations God for it because this you do see the younger people on here You see them rapping. We had big extra plug last night on here. He's a new guy that's coming up Doing real well. Look out for him. He and yeah, he's from Dallas You have a lot of the young the it's the look It's podcasting is a thing right now. Yeah, so, uh, we have a platform to where we got the young and the old We got everybody Nation different nationalities. We got a doctor coming sunday. We got a doctor coming saturday. We got an NFL player coming Retired in a fair player coming So saturday because so we don't we don't only do music. You touch on everything. We do everything Don't turn down the number to color. That's it because it's it's helping our people helping people Through these mics through these cameras. So you talked about the foundation a while ago And you was like, you know, they don't know the history. They don't this is how they learned it They don't know by never did you hear what I say? Yeah This is how they learn it. Your boy trap walked in my job. This is that what I was telling you and I I walked up to him. I said, bro. I'm in my office And all I said was you ever heard of dude named Bobo Luciano from UGK He said, no, bro. Never heard of it. That's all man. I just want to say, hey, man Thanks for doing what you're doing. Keep doing what you're doing, brother shook his hand Keep it moving and if he's a smart kid, he would go outside and look up in his phone He probably did try pretty sharp. Try pretty sharp. Who are you talking about? Yeah, try pretty sharp So I'm pretty sure he if you didn't know then he gonna know now. Yeah, because I like trial. Yeah All of these guys are dope. The main thing is as the as the guys who are older Who who do embrace the music or who have built the music? We have to build bridges instead of walls We have to show these people that we do love them And if they have anything we don't hold no all it's just like a child that didn't know their parents And and that child finally get to understand that oh man That was who that's who done that then you can't get mad at them You have to embrace them and sure because it's partly our fault see the the crack era and all that helped separate everything You start thinking about uh tdc and uh all that stuff the trap think about the traps that was set by some of the I mean Craig it was a Craig Watkins Yeah, the ones who helped get get the people out of jail with the DNA. Exactly. Uh, Now think about all the falsely accused that was pulled and sent and they didn't even get everybody So so and then we say well, they don't know the history. It's a reason Well, we have to build we have to build it up correctly. That's older guys, man But sometimes people have to seek out history And their past, you know what I mean research I get it man, but you it's just like sometimes Sometimes these younger kids I've heard some younger kids say that um, they've reached out to some older older cats and they don't help Well, who did they want to it ain't it ain't that many of us from that era So they if they didn't reach out to nemesis Which I know they didn't if they didn't reach out the wrong seat Which I know they didn't if they didn't reach out to um Pimps, uh, the people that were from, you know, kind of the era. Everybody 99 90, you know the ones that laid that original see if it wasn't for dj snake None of that music would have even well, I ain't gonna say wouldn't have ever come to dollars It wouldn't have been in dollars When it got here when it got here when yeah, because we were still just all we had What k104 was playing and 107.5 and I mean how many rap songs you think they were playing back then and it was all commercialized rap songs So to hear uh, run them see to hear uh, krs one and then they bought the uh, easy e and the nwh stuff Okay, no end And that was the first of that and no one had ever heard any of this music before in their life I know what changed ours I know exactly what changed out and do you think some of these younger kids might be feeling or saying that Back then is a different time y'all might not know About the way how things are now Well in the music industry because that's exactly what they're saying. That's why they're saying that I believe that you know what I mean and you can't because that's what your kid Well, that's what your kids say to you as parents as parents, right? Yeah, I don't know shit Yeah, y'all didn't even have cell phones back. That's right. Y'all didn't even have google back then but We survived because we have some older rappers who come in who are still in the game who said that like It was hard to change when everything became digital To get used to that and so forth Well, that's why you go back to the david banner and all that stuff and the changing of the equipment I got caught up in that. Yeah, I got caught up in that. I mean We recently just released All my stuff digitally because I missed that way Right, I fucked off a lot of money. Yeah because of their depression. She's not thinking in the This shit ain't gonna work. You know, that's what I'm thinking man. Come on I didn't pay attention. So being a younger kid. They were like, okay, so what do you have to offer me? Just I mean good game. Yeah Good game. Well, um, let me and not not offer Just know about it. Know about it. So you know where you came from. So you know where you're going And and that respect will take them so much further than what they're doing already It will hit so hard. I don't think they the first I'm the first one out there. I got more radio played it bro. Come on This kid about me was in full fucking blast down here and everybody know it. Yeah. Yeah And so I don't never say anything about it. I don't say nothing. I'm because I'm humble. Yeah, you Well, you know how we do it. Yeah No, I know you started there want to sample something and relax It's coming but it's gonna be it's gonna be this money need It's classy. Yeah. Yeah. It's a classic song that I kept Close to heart. Yeah recently. I mean, it's on all streaming platform. Yeah now, but Like I said, I missed that way for years and years and years and years, you know, so I missed out a lot of money. Yeah, but the thing is it wasn't about money for me, though It never it was I wasn't rapping for money. A lot of people did I rap because I Love music and I was trying to help people. I was trying to start a label to help the people my wife wrapped Or I had a group called the swiss of boys Or baby rule low key. I had you know, rogues life entertainment. We were doing that thing But I I was just the person that started it because of the ugk affiliation Yeah, we knew we had an avenue. It ain't what you know, it's who you know And you know back then I knew a lot of fucking people. Yeah And we were going to use those relationships To better our lives and that's that's the only reason I didn't do it for money I did it, you know, I wasn't trying to get rich in other words. Yeah It was all about the music to me. I mean, that's I was playing my record earlier and I was uh You know, it was just a scratching in it. I see you ever hear any scratching anybody records in dollars? I said I did it for the hip-hop. Hey Because I love Hip-hop. Yeah. And so that's where I sat with with Man, when you come from where you come from and have done what you've done You should be very proud of yourself and don't hesitate to conversate Because that's that's how you reach out. I come no, I'm talking about for us for yourself counseling talking Oh, yes. Yes, given that story that helps that helps you heal. You're the first but I'm loving it Everybody go hard. I can tell you right now, you know, the thing I can say is we have to do that When you go through something that that that have you in a depressive state As best you hear people say it's best to talk about you got to talk about let's see This is going to be my therapy. Like you said, that's it. I'm still taking my medicine Yeah, but talking to my wife my family. Yeah, why don't talk to me now? You got a new friend. E-C-E-O-E. Man, stop playing man Mr. Maga is in the building Be looking for me within the next few months. Lord say the same I always say the Lord say the same to try to get you and Steve below on this panel again So we can just talk and have a good time man and just uh reminisce about, you know, the the music Yeah, um the the the changes in the music. Yeah, and he said he for to do a little southern. So Yeah, he's been working on that for a while I heard that in the music. Yeah, he said but here this will be the first place he bring it he told I'm gonna tell you some stuff, bro. Steve below Like I heard y'all I heard bond talking about the uh, swissers and dope. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah I'll tell you a story about that and he'll tell you He first put that song up on my space Really? It was in the little music because you remember you could put like four or five songs Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was on my way. He was putting the instrumentals up And I was listening to all this is why Chad in jail. Yeah two years Maybe a year before Chad came home and when I got to that swissing those I told him I said, bro What the fuck is that? I said that is my Shit, I said that's my kind of music and for Chad to come home and that's the only beat Chad. He picked Boy, that's spiritual right there. That's below. I said below That's the one right there Although I can't that's not a koala. That's what he said He said he said he wasn't even gonna send that one when he sent the package of beats that's tongue the beats I don't know why he said that wasn't the one. I don't know why I don't know why because the kind of music that pimp and bun were making that hustler type of music That was me. I loved because we grew up doing that black exploration stuff the mac rest in peace max julian Yeah, yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, he said pimp Let me see it all these songs man. I just think back all of how they come over there That's what I'm saying. The boy was let me tell you something Port Arthur. Have you ever been there? No, no, we hadn't been okay. We need to go to port Arthur. You know, we'd be we're right down there by it ain't the same Hurricanes have fucked that town off Really? Yeah That's that's really poke on my people down there. That's my that's my third home. Yeah, that's my third home Houston's my second port author. So I'm gonna say port author is my second. Oh, okay. Houston's my third. Okay. Um, Well port author small East side and west side. Okay, if you're going north or south you're coming about a port author. Okay, you know what I'm saying? So Bun B is a genius A genius, why do you think buns are jeans? I I met him in the shop, dude And pimp is a genius Why do you say that? Them boys were 17 and 18. Listen to that stuff they were saying listen to the Detail in the music that that man was playing at 17 years old If that ain't an old soul, that's a very old. So that's an old soul. That boy was on choccon. Yeah 17. That's our music Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we're from a different era than they were from. Yeah. Yeah for him to be on it Come on, man. Yeah, and then the stuff that never came out the album that got stolen Oh my god, you you've heard some of the songs now like the um, you ever heard smooth slanging I gotta go back and find nothing but smooth. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that bun be so low. Yeah, and that um, manage tois. Yeah. Yeah He gave me manage tois Yeah, you could have Because the label didn't clear none of that. So he said you can have it I was just gonna rap some same lyrics But I just um, once it you know, once it went My time I started working on music. I wasn't gonna use it. Yeah. It was a couple years later, but yeah That boy had a old soul and so for them for those two to be in that town Two geniuses and find each other and create history like they did is amazing to me. Wow. I mean because Bone could have went with a different producer. Yeah, could have went with a different rapper, which they did at first Yeah, they found each other And created history, bro. Wow and then relationship like I said, yeah, it was it was beautiful At the same time they had you know everybody There was never was nothing major. No, there was no no fuck up. I'm not none of that None of that that's business too. A lot of it business and you got personal all that mixed up. Oh, yeah Yeah, so nobody gonna get along for real. Well, man. Hey, man. Um, do you have anything else? No, sir Man, let me tell you something man. We love you. No, you too, bro And we're gonna always reach out to you. Thank you. Um, we're gonna say hey, man Are you okay? Is there anything we can do? Oh, you know, that's what that's what people that's what real people do and I'm country So and then she's Jamaican so Really? Yeah, I know where you had that I interviewed uh, freeway. I went all the way to LA and interview freeway ricky ross and he's He's from tile. Yeah Good people Say man, thank you for coming on boss Before I go, I want you to check out, you know, I started my thing, you know, all heart of their party You gotta say, yeah, your plugs like how can people find you? Yeah, just get on, you know, all heart of their party h dp and uh We on facebook instagram instagram. What's that thing called baby the anchor app? Hey Yeah, we're using it all, you know, y'all can spot a five We fairly new but we doing our thing, you know, say we got you know, we what we do we do old school Yeah, everything from the beginning of rap to probably about 2005. Okay. And so we you know, the stuff we love So we got mixes, you know me. I'm I'm only acting a goddamn monkey. You know, it's it's it's beautiful You know, so we we got probably about six seven episodes in We're just doing our thing man. I'm gonna be shouting that thing out, man. Thank you, man Like I said, we gonna we're gonna try to always link back up and do some periodically to add to platforms grow Yeah, yeah next next thing, you know, uh, we a thing down here in the Dallas. Thank you. Yes That's what I'm talking about. Yeah, I got All right sharp as iron sharp as iron, man. You keep your wife. I'm gonna keep my wife Miss Jamaica Jamaica Jamaica Jamaica In Houston No, what? You know about the maker make up. It's called Jamaica Jamaica. That was the club in downtown, Houston. He's going historic Hmm That's your people making a food maker maker. Check it. Nice Bobo Lou challenge in the building. Um, do you uh, what what do you think? Do you think we did a good job with him? You think so? Well, if we didn't he'll be back anyway, we're gonna You scratch the surface Hey, no, that's what I'm saying That's what we wanted to do because like I said the stories have to come out People need and I wanted to ask you about pimp son because he's incarcerated right now. I'm core To see that because that's that generational curse that hurt me. That's a cycle that hurt me. Did you hear what I just said? That hurt me and it had to be tough on him. I always I told he's a leo the same thing Coming up under that shadow and being looked upon a certain way And people looking at you and and putting things on you that you may not even be won't even do He didn't deserve it. He didn't deserve it. I mean he has to be born like, you know to Exactly. He's a person though, but I definitely I thought about that. I'm like every time I think about that I asked Ronnie about that too. It's like man It hurt me. It's it had to do you reach out to him or He and I didn't have the same kind of y'all didn't even have a relationship. I remember uh Exactly when I'm about to call him when he was born. No chatty boo Me and Chad Was a lot closer than uh Than Corey Corey. Corey was born. I think when right as Chad was getting ready to go in Okay, get locked up. And so, you know, he was a little little baby same thing with chris His daughter through shinara. Yeah, so hadn't seen her since Chad died, bro. You know, they know I'm here You know, and I know where they are, you know, it's just time and real life keep us apart But I love them all. Yeah. Yeah, I've been in touch with uh, uh chatty boo, you know, I'm excuse me Chad Yeah, yeah, he's gone chicken. Yeah, I remember I mean, he was up here when you got the phone Straight to poor dog. Yeah for the mama had a rig. I remember that Uh, and the baby was born. Wow. Natasha. What's up? Yeah, shout out So that that those are the things like I said and and I'm gonna I'm definitely I be writing people So if you locked up or whatever, I need I need to start, bro We got to start doing something together me and you just write and pull each other up on it We got to yeah, you know, I mean like let's let's let's make sure we get this done I need to get in touch with quarter We can do it. Yeah, because I just since you said that I feel like I'm dead wrong No, no, and it's okay because you can fix it. You alive. Yeah, and you it's you ain't too late You know what Chad said it's never too late. Stop being a bitch It's never too late to stop being a bitch. That's right I've been I've been acting like a bitch not not not reaching out to that boy family So we don't we don't get it done. Yeah, you know, I'm blaming on the depression I blame everything I didn't do on the Chicken man. It's been another great segment of yeah boss talk 101