 live. No, actually, we could do it now. Do it now. Do it right now. Oh, Mahler, what ship do you work on? The USS. Hello, everyone. The US. Hello, everybody. That would be a great ship name. Yeah. And this is Captain rags of the USS. Hello, everybody. Yeah, you should. Oh, you should have said hello there, ladies and gentlemen. You can do that. Hello, ladies and gentlemen. If the joke is about how like cringy and terrible it is, then. Yeah, I would say that. Thanks. That ship is that you would need to say hello again. Otherwise, people would be confused. They're like, has he had said hello or is he just introduced a ship and they're not greeted us? How rude. With the USS. Hello. The covenant learned to take advantage of the confusion. Like the the USS. Hello there is just entered real space. They're going to be confused while they do each other. Quick attack. It sounds like it was inefficient fucking Navy system. It's going to cause problems. That's my opinion. Okay. What if there was a ship that was the name was so long it was like that Monty Python composer who had the insanely long name but that was the name of a ship and it took like a minute to say it every time they wanted to refer to it. Named us. You ones are Welsh town efficiency. Be a pretty ball of move, I think. But yeah, it looks like everything's working. Everything is up and running. There's people in chat. You Blick. People are way beautiful. Hey, well, I since I'm I'm pretty certain that this is going to take us some time, we should probably just get right into it as in explaining what was even going on. That is them. We've gathered several people today who love the Halo show to discuss its incredible writing. That is I love it. It's so good. We found found you on the internet. I've completely changed my mind since my recent video. That was that was April Fools. You put that out, right? Yeah. I think so. Just a little bit turns out the final episode changes everything. It actually did. Yeah, it makes it all way better. There's actually an element in it that I've heard people. Well, there's a couple of them actually. A lot of people like that finale. We'll talk about it. It's going to be great. I didn't even watch it. People liked that. You didn't watch the last one. The show is the show is so good. It's it's it hurts me to watch sometimes because it's just that good. Well, I have had some synopsis. And I've seen some important clips. But as for like, I don't think I'm worthy enough to watch the last episode because of how amazing it probably is. Oh, well, don't worry. We'll we'll let you know what happened in it and you can let us know what you think about their amazing decisions. Though first and foremost, we should probably welcome who who wear what why for everybody first and foremost, the shadow master himself. Hey, it's been a while. Welcome back to the old eFab. Definitely has. Thank you very much for having me back. I feel like we're making me watch this God awful train wreck. Those are people I made you. Oh, I hate me. I feel like how could you do that to him? Like, look, I wanted his opinions on it. And he was thorough. Okay. You had to watch all of it to know what he thought of all of it. And then, and yeah, like I said, we all ended up loving it. So it's all good. Sure. That's one way of putting it. I think there's probably about a thousand questions that people be wanting me to ask you, especially as an intro. But was was it really halo that brought you back into thinking I should make a video on this? Was it really that bad? Well, it was it was mainly a friend who was super interested in this halo adaptation. And I gave it a shot because you know how badly they screwed up. And within the first episode, it was an complete train wreck already because we'll probably figure it out for the for all of us. But like, how would you say you sit on the on the fan of halo scale? And I only played reach one and two like August. Last year. So I'm not I'm not usually into all of the halo lore and all that. But just from a storytelling standpoint alone with the TV show, I'm I'm not a fan. Let's put it like that. You've been offended fundamentally by its storytelling just in general is what you're saying? Yes, sin humankind. Approaching this as a halo fanboy more. This is an affront to humanity in their death. Yeah, I mean, I'm going to disagree with you. They're going to be completely honest with you. Um, but yeah, it's good to have you, man. I'm looking forward to chatting about this shit. All right, because it's so much so many topics. We also have returning guest from actually kind of a while ago. I can't remember what episode it was the act man. How you doing, buddy? Welcome. Doing good doing very good. So you were like a brute with your noises. Is it raw? Is it safe to say there was a point where you were like this show could be okay? Was was that a thing at one point? Maybe for you at some point? No, maybe. Okay, well, if we're if we're tearing down the charade that we all like to show. What? What? Yeah, literally perfect. I'm trying to I'm trying to think the first maybe like 15 minutes. Actually, I had a problem with the very first scene. I was like, why am I watching a bunch of teenagers go do drugs? Was Halo. I can do that. And I can do that in real life. I don't need to watch that show. It was cool when they got blasted. I'll say that and then and then it was like, oh, okay. Yeah, we're back on track. I think after they really front loaded the violence to in the show, like to the first 15 minutes and then it just never happened ever again. Really? Yeah. Yeah. Well, when you punch, I'm doing great. Good. Good. Good to hear. Um, I think this is going to be quite the suitable subject to have you back on the old show to have a little chat and it'll be fun to have you bounce around with a bunch of people because I guess the other thing I should have done already is actually sort of figuring out who even knows everybody here. I believe y'all has met myself and rags before, but I'm not even sure if he's met any of you other guys. So what's, what was? I've spoke briefly with Fringy, but aside from that, yeah, the rest of you are all new to me. Well, yeah, this is Act Man. Act Man. This is he. They hello. Um, in case you haven't met as well, I guess because you just said you hadn't. Yeah, this is the one between me and Fringy is John CJG. You may know him. Well, I know him. Yeah. Well, you know him. This is up to it. I know you as well. The whole cut here is who doesn't know. Yeah. Well, wait. So is this the first time that you guys have spoken on the John and Act Man? You can't force me to socially interact. Okay. You can't force me to do that. Oh, yeah. Yeah, if you don't socially interact, we're going to ruin Halo. Well, I'm a recluse as well. I have no friends. No YouTube friends. Well, it's it's also great to have John because he's also made his own Halo story. He has. Yep. John, I'm going to be honest. It was better than this. Thank you. Thank you. He's not a compliment. I guess we'll find out. Yeah. Well, you know what? And that leads into me saying hi, John. Welcome back. Always love to have you and. Oh, thank you very much. I feel like I'm probably the least known person here. I don't really have a presence in terms of like media criticism, but I'll tell you what I have done. I made this at a YouTube channel back in 2007 2008. I made Master Chief sucks at Halo. That went viral. Work for Machinima made a show called our being the chief still working on that work for a company called machinima.com. The famous. Someone loves them. We're gaming and entertainment collide. Exploded in spectacular fashion. Two ships in the ocean. But I've been really invested in the games. Obviously, I've I've been making movies with the Halo games since Halo 2. And I really enjoy it. And I got some back in the day. I got some I got noticed by bungee. I think Franco Connor posted on their website. It was like a blog entry said do not watch this video. It was referring to like our being the chief episode one. It was the language was so foul, right? So they couldn't like officially endorse it. But it was just like, don't look at this win going. I appreciated them doing that. And it's also I got. I got to they say that about the Halo show. They say do not watch this. And they mean it. I'm grateful for some of the opportunities that had as a result of like being. A part of that the Halo community in a big way, at least back then like I'd gone to bungee studios when they were in Redmond, Washington. I met Franco Connor at E3. Talk to him. I worked with Rooster Teeth briefly. They were cool guys. And so yes. So this show I was very curious about it. And I think I'm mostly on the same page with you guys. I suspect that I really wasn't impressed with it. It's quite possible. Yeah, maybe. Yeah, that's kind of my brief intro, I guess. Yeah, thanks for having me. I appreciate it. This is cool. We always love you, Anthony. You're more than familiar with Halo. And so I'm sure it'll that'll come in handy when talking about the events of the show. I got a few things to say. I may have taken 10,000 words worth of notes on this show. Don't worry. You're not lying. All right. Oh, sorry. I kind of took it for granted, but I was just like, oh, yeah, Act Man knows loads about Halo. He's done loads of videos about Halo. He's big into Halo for anybody who doesn't know who he is. So yeah, I feel it's unnecessary for me to like introduce myself rags or Fringy as people who are familiar with Halo to different degrees. But what I would rather do to be honest with you is explain, I did mention this last week. Halo is not actually my forte. It's it's it's much more. So rags and Fringy's is and so with with this episode, I'm actually going to be passing the reins from here on in to Mr. Fringy to mainly direct the conversation through subjects and kind of explain the foundation for how we're going to break it down with with what we're going to talk about. And I will try and make sure that we have plenty of visuals in the background to represent what it is that we're talking about. I have access to all nine episodes. But I'm mainly going to be using screenshots or scanning through, you know how it is. But yeah, hope you enjoy folks and take it away. Yes, please take it away. Take it away. Destroy it. Take me away. So we I don't think that it would be very in Benjamin reference. That's what I was thinking. Yeah, I know I'm only the dumbest laws all the way for you. Give me an hour. Timson's references. That's okay. Um, I don't think that it would be particularly fun to just like run through all of the episodes beat by beat. I don't I don't think that would be a very entertaining experience because I think all it would be is just cataloging a massive list of problems that never ends for hours. So that's how I feel. But but we'll we'll get to that. So I figured that what we will do is hit on all of like the main I guess beats of storytelling. So it'd be character plot, world building and theme in that order. But before we do that, I figure it'd be a good idea to just get everybody's in like 500 words or less, which I'm sure you'll be able to mentally figure out as you're speaking. What do you think about the Halo show from left to right? I'll go last though. Yeah. What do you think of this show? Oh, well, that answers that. Yeah, I don't know if that's an accident or on purpose yet. We'll find out. You know what until then, John, what do you think about Halo, the television series based on the video game of the same name? Geez. Um, I had I went in optimistic and I was like, you know, maybe I don't know how I didn't know what to expect. So I went in and the bloated 20 minute opening scene started pretty predictably, but I thought not the beginning, the dialogue is terrible at the beginning, but like in terms of setting up like the beats of it where you introduce like a human colony and then you get the human characters. You see the bad guy on the TV and then they talk about the Spartans and how their demons and all that and then the students or whatever the kids are out frolicking killed by the Covenant war against the Covenant starts and then chief comes in and kills them all and then you get to see what he's capable of. So I kind of expected it to start in a in a fashion like that and it did. I just wish it was executed a bit better, but based on that opening scene, I thought this might be okay like that. I kind of like the action doesn't CGI isn't that grace and it doesn't it didn't bother me that much. Yeah, but then it's just got super bogged down after that into trying to be like this grounded political drama and it's like stopped. Like I I think Halo works better as sort of a live action cartoon like in a like existing in a comic book sort of way where you have I'm not saying it should be like like a like utterly goofy not. Yeah, like I mean I compared giant rings that destroy the universe. So I mean not treating it like a cartoon. I very much agree with that. Well, I had written on yeah, I've written on Twitter like this should be treated more as a cartoon and then you know as with Twitter you can always expect somebody to interpret your tweets in the least charitable way and then they'll be like this guy seriously thinks it should be a cartoon and I'm like I'm not talking about Roger Rabbit. I mean something like you know like with mallets and fucking you know eyes coming out of people's heads like no I mean something like Batman or Cowboy Bebop or something where you've got these heightened elements in this story that's actually you know that actually has something to say thematically I think Halo has good themes like I really like this like whatever the it's the themes are also they're present in the games the present in the show but the execution in the show is just so flawed I only only got joy out of like the the action sequences really everything else felt like a chore for the most part there's beats here and there that I kind of liked but definitely not enough for me to say that this was a good first season of television overall. So it's not a not a huge fan and not super optimistic for season two. No I'm not I mean I would say the finale was a bit of an improvement over the entirety of like the first eight episodes but I still don't have high hopes for all the seeds that have him that have been planted that will lead into the second season of episodes you know I don't know I don't want to go on too long I feel like I've set it up and by the way I'm pretty sure that was not planned by you that was internet that's why gas which the timing was impeccable though like impeccable but hopefully gets it sorted. Yeah hopefully huge huge. Oh right yeah so as someone who's like vaguely familiar with with Halo and funnily enough it's like it would be considered. Oh hey yeah I guess it's your turn joke. Should I keep going or should it be yesterday now. That's depends are you. Wait what was that I was like I didn't hear that. What you want what do you think about Halo that was what you were I was going to ask you before you you ran away from me. Yeah oh my bad my bad I like Halo I've only played reach. I made the shark. Yeah wait so oh no this is one of the worst thing that I've ever had this pleasure to witness. If in case because you may have cut out earlier than we thought but yeah just like a like a blurb on what do you think of the show overall what's it what's your thoughts and it's just how we start so everyone gets an idea of what we're all thinking before we start going into detail. Man I just sum it all up into a blurb just. You have like 500 plus words you'll be fine. There was less than 500 but okay. An absolute cluster book of mistakes I have. No idea what they were trying to achieve with it. I thought for sure that the master chief in Kwan subplot set up from the beginning was actually going to lead somewhere it made that made sense. The cliched and played out thing to do what. They completely abandoned that within the next episode. Don't think he just drops her off in an asteroid and then. Yeah you'd think they would have had like a buddy thing throughout the season but it's just absolutely. Yeah drawing out his humanity over the course of the show or something like that but no as he drops her off on an asteroid and. I have legitimately no idea what the fuck they were going for with the show. Just. This is definitely a general take. In that perspective not not only does that Kwan part like kind of just a dead end in terms of themes. I think the show like forgot about everything it set off with that particular sequence. We can talk about that. I'm 100% agree. I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall at the meeting between 343 and the show. Wow you know apparently the showrunners or like the studio behind the show kind of just didn't care that much what 343 said about the games love story. I think I heard. Yeah I think yeah that there was like it that there were things that 343 didn't want to happen but just that got in anyway like that the perspective was ignored which is interesting because because if I was head of Halo and I was given away the rights for a company to make the show I'd be like no hold on. You don't do that. I mean it's a I probably should have prefaced this earlier. This might be. No we'll leave that till after we get a release perspectives mues you're up next. Yeah I was I was just gonna say it's kind of funny right like that they would be whatever input they had at least somewhat of it was ignored and it's just like you feel like Loki and Ragnarok like yes that's how it feels like cuz 343 you know they've they've they're not exactly popular with the Halo people anyway. They've made some very interesting decisions over the course of their years being in control of years which now are longer than Bungie's tenure at this point. So yeah for me it was like I think I said I played three and reach like the the main ones that I played I think I played ODST I can't remember anymore I intend to play one and two someday to be a cool kid and then possibly even four and five to jump in on the fun conversations about how great those games are as well. So yeah I guess I was in a unique position but at the same time it had enough familiarity with Halo to know that when I was watching the show just like this is this is not at all the the thing that I knew this was but as as is important I was like I'll just take it as a sci-fi show let's just see how it goes and man do they drop the ball from like the first few minutes and and everything's just unravels in terms of making any sense and it was interesting because of course when watching it with Ragnarok I had little pieces of information coming at me from what the the narrative is supposed to be in terms of how mechanically some things work and what it meant by knowing that is that they couldn't they're locking themselves out of payoffs as we went on and then it could be that they actually try and maintain some of them and they completely fucked because they've lacked important context there's also these like different pieces that were coming in on top of the fact that it was just a really bad show anyway seriously after episode one I don't think I would have carried this on if I knew nothing about Halo and even let's just pretend the only Halo thing in the world that existed was this show I'll just be like this is a shitty sci-fi show but man it has a budget which is really weird because like why does it have such a budget when it's like brand new it seems like such an experiment but yeah we're in a world where it it is being based on something and that clearly didn't matter at all and by the time I reached the end it was just a joke lots to laugh at and there were several plot lines where whatever they cut to them I was frustrated mainly because they don't involve characters that do the goofiest shit and so I was bored I was like you're not gonna do funny dumb stuff you're gonna like talk for ages about terrible things with bad dialogue yeah and that was my engagement with the show until I finished it talked decent about it at different points and now yeah I'm totally ready to just just talk about this is a fucking disaster and I feel bad for Halo fans luckily I can separate out a little bit because I was never that into Halo but I can also say I wouldn't have finished it if I wasn't already invested in the franchise you know sorry go ahead you gotta wonder how many people wouldn't have finished this show if it wasn't called Halo you have to wonder like how many people would even care about the show at all yeah it feels like this is very much wow rags what do you think about Halo the television series well I loved it I hate you now it's I heard I heard every bit of like contempt in that sense I said no I know I love Halo the series it's just so great it's so great and I love how intelligent it is and smart it is and all of the wonderful things are trying to say and I love how aware of how intelligent and into the cutal they are it's so wonderful I totally didn't want it okay so okay Halo is shit okay I like virtually nothing about the show we get nine episodes so there's a good like eight hours of yeah good eight or so hours of content here and I think the only things that I could legitimately say that I liked about the entirety of the Halo show is a few surface level things here and there oh look that looks kind of neat oh hey that looks kind of neat oh hey that's sort of neat and that's it that's the only thing that I liked about this show that was it nothing else is good it's all bad all the way through from the first episode to the last episode all the way through none of the characters work every person and every faction involved is a big dumb stupid idiot I absolutely hate the world building and what they've managed to do to two alien races I hate what the show I get is trying to say I hate all of the directions that they took with it I a lot of the times when you get a show or a game or whatever it is that is an adaptation of something else especially when it comes to video games there is an almost there there's almost like this desire to or are you are you sense the vibe that the people who made it don't really care about the source material that much they'll use some aesthetics here and there maybe a sound effect here and there a line here and there as sort of a reference to the original stuff that they're pulling things from but I think Halo is kind of different than all of those after watching Halo the series starring John Halo and science lady and alien then I I've come to the conclusion that this show doesn't not care about Halo I think that this show and the people who made this show have utter contempt for Halo I think that they do not like Halo they see it only as a tool as a as a vehicle for them to tell their crappy sci-fi story all of the references to Halo that exists within the show are either one of two things completely surface level and meaningless or incorrect right we know that battle rifles exist from the game ooh that's great we're going to make it fully automatic we know that shields exist in the game on the Spartans but they're going to be virtually nothing like the shields actually in the game like they knew to take things and throw them in here and there in the same way that maybe a maybe someone would toss scraps to an animal right there is no sense of respect whatsoever for the for Halo as an IP I think I think they just clout out don't like it like it or they just hate it they hate what it stands for they hate the what their concept is of the story I read an article yesterday from someone who really thinks the show is the gold standard of what adaptations from video games should be and and she was talking about how oh master chiefs is in the games he's just this dull shitty blank slate of masculinity and there's nothing to him he doesn't have any personality and and that's bad and fans shouldn't get you know this this contempt that people seem to have for the thing they're pulling from the thing that necessitates this show and yeah I really really hate it virtually nothing in the show works from plot to characters to the clunky ass horrible dialogue it's all terrible and I think that if you like it then that is so sweet other than all that you like I really enjoyed it I was I was sad when it ended because I just wanted so much more hmm you know what I believe you I believe that that's well but thank you for that that's that was that was more than 500 words probably 499 on the dot on the dot wasn't I'm sure yeah I counted on my fingers while I was talking I well said I I'm now just imagining like you sitting there running through like all of your fingers speaking trying to get track way up to four I'm impressed that's how they did it back in the old days before calculators and the science technology they would use their fingers and they would count and they'd they'd they'd use the knuckles and they would yeah use the knuckles to count words what does that mean oh yeah well if now I'm a dog of course so this might work different for me but you could bend you one could bend their fingers right and you could like count like all the little knuckles the little little joints and then you could turn your hands back and forth like give his face and away from me or to me and that's like that like doubles each hands worth of counting and it's a what about your weird dog thumbs up along your legs oh those a million and one uses you have no idea no idea I hide my power level I power power level and those are those like thumbs actually superfluous or do they serve some sort of oh they're super all right really what do they do what don't they do well act man what do you think about halo the series I was waiting for that doggy thumbs dog water is more accurate hmm but wow so it's good well you think it's good dog water is you're alone right now the show the show is hard for me to watch and when I say it's hard for me to watch I mean I didn't finish it because it just it's it triggers one of those things in me where I can't really just sit and enjoy it and like either from like oh this is good or from an look at how bad this is I don't I don't necessarily enjoy it from a making fun of it perspective like I do with like the room or samurai cop it's just it triggers that inner review of me where every 30 seconds I pause it and I'm just like well wait a minute that doesn't make any fucking sense the what what are these characters doing why did they say that so it it's hard to watch it's like it's that bad for me you're here yeah well you you were not alone because I I hate this show I really hate it I was doing the same thing pretty consistently across all episodes I'm like what why would he say that what's that character doing there why would they do it this way like yeah non-stop I'm glad that you said that because a lot of the discussion about this show sort of centers on its quality as an adaptation it'll talk about with this yeah well yeah I I did yeah it's it's worth I guess laying it out because here on EFAP we have some of a contentious perspective on I guess adaptation when it comes to how we factor it into discussions about a story's quality I'm not sure if everybody agrees here but essentially I have the perspective that an adaptation in terms of its quality it's like how closely it mirrors the source material is like actually irrelevant you have to like be able to assess it as its own thing like almost as if you pretended that the like the games or the books or whatever it's based on doesn't exist the reason is essentially because that's going to be the experience for someone there will be somebody out there probably not many people who watched Halo and it was like their first introduction to the series like those people Fringy there's got to be people statistically who watch this show and said wow this is shit I will never play the games yeah exactly what happened so and so it's I guess it's worth clarifying that because yeah I've noticed that a lot of the discussion about the show is about all of the changes that it makes to the source material like how much it deviates now as far as I'm concerned I totally understand how that feels because I really like I really like the closest that I've gotten to like that point for me in a show when it deviates from the source material and I and I'm just noticing all the things that they've changed and it's it's never bothered me more than this show bothers me in an adaptation regard I would agree because this one was particularly annoying I think the reason why it was annoying is because kind of like rag said you get the distinct impression while watching this show that it's it's it's it's one of like a couple of possibilities the one that seems most likely in my mind is they looked at the games and they were like yeah but this is like a stupid video game like this is thumb video game it's not like our intelligent show like this is stupid game we go fight aliens and you play as like a robot like that's that's not really interesting at all unlike our television show you really get that impression yeah we we are very smart intelligent writers and we have degrees in literature and we we we know what plot and character and themes are and we are artists yeah I don't like those games video games that boys play where they shoot aliens we're not like them we're going to show we're going to take their thing and we're going to show them what true artistry is and so the consequence of that is as you watch in the show and if you like halo it's pretty painful um just how many ways that they ignore or actively fly in the face of material that was already there which the reality is if you're watching the show you probably like that and so of course it's like the conversation around the show is going to be sort of made in that and that's as far as I'm concerned that's fine like you can talk about adaptation I think that it's relevant and in this case it is relevant you know because it's like you got a big established series people you know people come in expecting one thing and then in a sense you're you're kind of like bam boozled um because episode one kind of presents an idea of the show that you're going to get that I think they recognize that they needed to to get people to come in I think that if people had a clear understanding it's a little bit a little bit because chief load a lot of the quote unquote halo stuff into that first episode in terms of this feel like the I don't think it ever felt like halo even at the beginning but it felt the most like halo with the beginning partially because I hadn't destroyed that vibe yet but then it disappears with a clearest example to me is that all of the trailers show chief fully bedecked in armor with this helmet on always because they knew that that's what we expected and then it was like a couple of days before it came out though it was going to take its helmet off because they knew the reality was that what they had shown in the trailers gives a different impression of what you were going to get yeah can I say something on the adaptation angle yeah sure okay okay who here would rather be watching the current show or watching a retelling of the first game I would yeah first game easily yeah yeah when you're making an adaptation I feel like you should be adding something new to it and if you're not going to add something new that's quality then just stick to what's safe and what works and what works is too crazy the games work their stories work you could have just kind of stuck to that playbook and then built stuff around it like I had the idea of like making faux hammer an actual character because their faces never revealed ever she's killed off in the first game spoiler alert for people you kidding what yeah I know yeah but like you know that's something when you look at the first game you're like okay let's say we base our story around this what kind of extra context can we add to it maybe some flashback scenes that didn't happen in the original game maybe we make faux hammer and sergeant Johnson have some kind of like a sergeant Johnson was only like a half character in the game in the first one so you get killed off in the second mission or whatever and then you'd see him again in the third but yeah I just think when you're making an adaptation especially for something that already has a very broad audience either stick with what works or make damn sure what you're making is good yeah because we're sorry what you're what you're highlighting is someone in chat actually said inconsistencies should not be excused just because it's a different medium like well that's just the thing by being in a different medium flash adaptation they're not inconsistencies and what I just highlighted is you can actually bring in stuff that may not have been in the originals that may even go against something that was established in the originals but if it's handled with care and you understand why you're putting it in and why it's important it can end up being incredibly great when you make a TV show compared to a game there's obviously just going to be different challenges for crafting the pacing of storytelling because gaming is different than a TV show and different than a movie different than a book is the deal come with different challenges so what we're looking for obviously is like okay you guys don't have to make it one to one let's see what you did do and you start to recognize oh man this is like 100% accurate in look you so many things from the game but why isn't the writing it's like yeah well it's um because this is in a different continuity like explicitly and obviously because there's so much that's different yeah like virtually not halo in any meaningful way so well yeah we should highlight the silver timeline thing right that's what yeah so the gold timeline is the games and like the extended lore and like the books and stuff but the silver timeline is the show and it's going to go off in its own direction because they clearly didn't want to like fit it in or slot it in at all which that's fine right you can do that and I guess to almost touch on more of like what you mentioned act man is like yeah you got a lot of opportunities to directly adapt certain stories from the halo like series because it's so expensive you could adapt to reach you could have it be like half and half the first part of like season one is reaching them the second part is halo you could just not even have master chief in it and then have like an ODST character like a covenant character like a POV character civilian character and have their stories running or it could be like sergeant johnson you got a lot of options whether or not you should do those things it's always like I would say it's like well you can and it probably would be ideal because I think like that's just what more people are going to be interested in but you can essentially so I would have to actually look at the games that's that's true you would have to play the games and then you have to incorporate what rags said is that I'm pretty sure they consider themselves above the games for sure surely they played the games though why would you not play the game that's madness well yeah I mean they pulled the weapons from the games and they have like the elites and grunts and stuff and they all look like they're doing well you know that for the you know for the most part the most but I mean it's so it's it's probably worth yeah so this game this show does pull things from the games like it tries to pull some things from the games unfortunately I would say that this show falls into the very easy pitfall of only taking parts from the source material the problem when you take parts and you don't understand why in their totality these choices were made you often just will stumble into problems in your own story the clearest example of this in this show is the changes that they make to like humanity and their connection to the forerunners and like reclaimers like as far as I'm concerned that's like the clearest example of this show taking a part of the game and changing it for their own story but not realizing what they did yeah it's like trying to pull a part out of a car and put it in your car yes and you're like oh this doesn't like how come this doesn't but it's a carburetor why why can't I just I can't just stick it in my car is like no no no that that's not how it works and that's all the best adaptations that do contradict or go against or provide a completely different product almost to the original usually do have their own sort of foundations and then they build up with their own logic for how their own payoffs happen to the point where somebody dies in halo one and then they don't die in the exact same scenario in this but they built it up completely differently and so you can have it be justified game of thrones was doing this a lot as a show it was like that didn't happen in a song of ice and fire and it's like yeah but if you think about how they've removed this character they put them here this person is in charge of that that kind of now makes more sense with what they've gathered and they had much less characters much less time and so there's different things you have to do of course it's funny to reference game of thrones with how much that went to fucking shit when they ran out of source material to be able to use as well as many other reasons but yeah like the scenario being so much potential but it is difficult if you're going to ignore grand context within the thing you're adapting if you're just like bucket I grab this that sort of leads to a place where I guess this show could have been what it was trying to be which is a very different thing from halo and on its own terms it could have been great but it's not like not not only do I think cause cause that's that's where I'm out with this show I guess this will be my like what I think I think this show sucks on its own terms I think that it's just incredibly cool yeah yeah it adds insult to injury that it's a completely sort of contemptuous adaptation of halo was a little bit of a word that is it seems accurate like the halo never I don't think ever before and of course I haven't seen everything but never before have I seen a product that seemed to treat what it was pulling from as just brand utility the people who made this show do not give a fuck about halo you see was on screen now by the way can use this I just think it was funny let me click on it I got away not the best vfx exactly but the one I'm trying to point out is the the crosshair it's like that's not all right yeah yeah he's not aiming worries aiming yeah but it's a little looks a little cool but that's fine so it's very frustrating right for fans of the games because like it seems that the television show runners thought that because they're video games there is no quality story or cinematic content to extract and kind of transfer over to the show so we'll just do our own thing because television is a different medium and we understand television and all this bullshit but the fact is that there actually is a lot of great story and cinematic material in the halo games like I think the first halo game if you're just to watch that as a string of cut scenes and maybe like make scenes out of all like the gameplay sequences and just make like a movie out of it it's a pretty solid straightforward action sci-fi kind of almost like a B movie kind of silly but still like actually has something to say it's silly until the love show up and then it's like you get side you get what's the big hill time yeah you get like smashed by a truck in the face or what's the word right I'm I love that you brought that up back man because that's such a great beat in that game it's like a it's an authentic like horror movie beat you know where he like like I almost said halo master she's missing you find them oh they were in the swamp oh where are they you're looking for him and you can't find them what's this helmet oh my goodness yes kind of it builds itself up not too slowly and not too quick it's like oh we're going to you've been fighting all these aliens we're going to throw in this little extra thing that's definitely different we're going to shake things up yeah there's a genuine sense of mystery master chief gets to the bottom of this facility finds the helmet and then you get this kind of creepy elongated beat where he's going through like the recordings of like the guy's last moments before the flood attack and you're just like then yeah it's like oh what's down here and then the reveal of the flood is really cool and then you have to fight your way out and like one is filled with lots of growth halo one is awesome like that game is super tight and like in terms of its campaign it's really strong and a lot of it is just logical progression of events and these really fun twists that are like super interesting because it's not even just the flood the big twist of the game is yeah halo is a weapon kills you though like that's a big reveal you think that it's going to help you win the war and then you realize oh like damn like it's what a great idea to have like the big super weapon of the series be a thing that kills like humans and covenant and everybody like it's not something you can ever use really and then it's like when our Master Chief has to find a way to basically deal with both threats simultaneously it's like it's got a really good structure in terms of leading that's it's kind of the reason why like halo one is ripe you could do a whole season of like an extended campaign on halo it's a really like easy yeah there's a lot going to happen be that each episode is the core mission right so like episode one pillar of autumn episode two is on halo then episode three is like truth and reconciliation you could go through it in that order and I guess that's like that's kind of the when I watch the show and and it just like ignores a lot of material that is pretty ripe just annoying you know like it's a little bit annoying yeah I think it would still be important even if like let's say they they did try to retell the first game or even the other games eventually I think it's still important that they find ways to surprise people that have already played those games and know those stories very well not exactly sure how I would have gone about surprising people but yeah yeah I think that's still important I imagine that you would have because if you do want to show that's you don't if you're going to adapt it and you aren't going to make changes you could just have a change in circumstances that could be like surprises for people you could have it be that I don't know like that the show starts off like a lot earlier in the timeline and then it will progress over the course of like years throughout the seasons until it leads all the way up to like the end I guess that would be more like if you had the whole thing mapped out from the beginning you knew you were going to get like five or six seasons I feel like you've got a lot of options to keep suspense and that might just be introducing new characters but still having some characters who are the same which they kind of do here but it's so different that it doesn't really matter like it's a totally different story I have no idea what's going to happen I know this I know that name but you're just not the character and you're not where we know that character to be and you're not anything like this character in terms of role or personality you just wanted to use their name you just wanted to say keys you just wanted to say Halsey that that's it that's all that there is to it well because yeah those characters are essentially like at the whims of of whatever the story needs which I guess this might be a good segue into the characters of this show and what we all think of them perhaps starting with boy main character himself John Halo John Halo the maester chief the robot John Halo the yes the wealth as we find out no he's not a robot he's a human he's stupid he's my God where do we is he maybe is yeah where do we even stop would you just like when did everybody realize oh God this isn't this isn't him when was that moment for you he took the helmet off yeah when he took the helmet off I tell it for me it was when he started sighing I'm like this is weird that immediately threw me off you know what I mean he's like sitting in the ship with the artifact he's just like like you're supposed to be like composed all the time like I feel like that's a consistent trait with Master Chief in the games you know what I mean I guess it would be this might be worth laying out a sort of almost like the backstory I guess to point out the differences between the game and the show so that we understand where the show is at so in the games and the books now correct me if I'm wrong but basically the Spartan program it plays out Master Chief is essentially like the most competent Spartan that came out of it and the conditioning and the training that he went through essentially turned him into the character that we know who doesn't speak a lot is very calm and like oriented around achieving his objectives still compassionate for people though which I know that the show I imagine the show actually doesn't believe that to be the case in the games like he's basically a pretty reliable hero who will do the thing to save the day in this show the important thing to know about Master Chief and the thing that 343 has kind of been fucking up with ever since they got the series is that Master Chief works better as a piece of a larger story not the main focus of it himself I agree if you look at Halo 2 I'm pretty sure there's like Master Chief has like 14 or 15 lines of dialogue in Halo 2 like that's it he don't talk a lot he's doesn't speak much at all God I wish he wouldn't talk so much I well I do he's very chatty in the show this John has very but that's because they base the whole show around him as opposed to like he's kind of our view into this larger conflict with that some yeah so because that's the way that it works in the games is essentially he's a blank he's he's basically a blank slate he does have traits but they're very like standard sort of hero traits he saves people he's composed and he goes to fight super competent but he's very much just checks him off you know yeah he's he's essentially just our vehicle and so a lot of the drama and the development stems from other characters like Cortana and Arbiter and keys and Johnson now you you can have him be more of an active participant in the story for sure but I would imagine that it might have informed their perspective on this is that you couldn't have had him be the way that he is in the game you have to make these changes to make him character that is more involved in the story I disagree but I guess I guess it's the changes the changes that they make to his backstory in this show like the big change is that he has his memories removed of his childhood so he doesn't know about the nature of the Spartan program and he has an emotional suppressing pellet in his spine and all of the Spartans do and so when he removes that he becomes a very different person and I guess I might float this question by everybody given that he essentially has the same training military training is it not a little bit odd that as soon as he removes the pellet he becomes a highly emotional pretty erratic and unreliable soldier it is I think it's a it's a good time I suppose to state the difference between what the show wanted to be and what the games presented him as maybe that's a that's a good place to sort of begin why yeah yeah why should we do that all right so in the games Master Chief does have a personality he is not a complete blank slate he is generally as a way for the character to interact with the world in a sense that's the player character but the Master Chief does have a bit of a personality he does care of people until Halo 4 he would never speak during gameplay so no he didn't yeah Halo 4 was very strange because he turns very a lot more chatty in that one all of a sudden he is he doesn't speak often he is a man of action he is paying attention to everything that's happening around them if every once in a while if he needs to ask a question he will do that he will explain himself when he's asked things he's not purely passive by any stretch of the imagination he's just not a chatty person he is very much a doer not a talker but he's very observant he will he cares about the Marines around him he cares about the wellbeing of humanity he will reassure the the friendlies that are with him whether it's patting them on the shoulder or he knows that he is an inspiration you you get the feeling he knows that he is an inspirational figure he is aware of this he is not an idiot he is not aloof he is observant and there is a lot to work with in terms of using that as a character for a show he doesn't have to be necessarily the only protagonist that would that might not work well in terms of a TV show you could have him with someone else someone either a Marine buddy or maybe like a RV in the chief exactly yes and we'll get in we'll get into the horrific odd lack of covenant in this Halo show later but there's plenty of room to take Master Chief as he is in the games and have him be in the show to a very high degree as a doer and who can who has someone to interact with not talking all the time and pouring out his feelings all the time and losing track of his emotions and not being able to handle things what I wanted to highlight there is that a lot of talking about who Master Chief is in the show just is like Oh, he's not the same person which he isn't the same person the question of does it even make sense given his backstory in this series that he is the person that he he is in this show Yeah, because this is for me, right? Because again doesn't have to be the one from the game but to go more specifically to the question you had originally for me with the what should happen? What should we see happen if he removes an emotional inhibitor and this has been done in all kinds of media loads of examples be it technology or like a chemical substance that was in there or even mechanical for whatever kind of thing we're talking about that something's removed in a robot that allows them to feel again also I'm literally thinking about Futurama there's a fucking episode where Ben in indoctrination indoctrination is not a pill I'm sorry Well, so what are we what have we got? It's like a guy who went through all of the the military training that should lead to personality X but he was also given an emotional inhibitor which has led him to be almost robotic but then he gets the inhibitor removed and it's like an explosion of which is like Yeah, it doesn't feel like we got the military man anymore at all and it almost like overshadows any of that history and they show us plenty of flashbacks of different things to imply a lot of that history and then you look at like I forget his name but you know his friend who left early on did he mention anything about his chip? Did you take it out? I think he must have I remember he mentioned his memories come back to him at some point he mentioned that took a while but they came back this is a little bit I don't think he mentions the chip but he just sort of well, I guess we are led to us he does okay he says because he's talking about how like fruit tastes delicious when you don't have the chip or something it's important that to make a good soldier you remove their sense of taste the taste which is very hey, that's what happened to the writers they also have no sense of taste yeah, because what I find interesting then is that like they make a big deal out of where it is and what it is and Cortana like the most advanced AI in history is helping him specifically remove it but two other characters just got rid of it casually a thing that is designed to prevent you from having emotions override any particular decision you're making which sounds like so that's got to be well integrated right that's another problem with this that's like he just pops it out with a fucking knife it's like oh right you just you just do it and the bathroom just like your floss in your teeth and then because I still remember that part quite well where it's just like he's seeing like something musical happening and he's like my God this is incredible like I am appreciating going down an escalator that was the dumbest shit I was like why is master chief at a fucking orchestra concert what is this experiencing the beauty of life well yeah that's what I'm completely going for was that he's been he's been awoken now he's no longer a robot and and it's just like damn does it so what was his personality before he got the emotional inhibitor was it just like yeah a big old party guy I'm surprised they didn't have a scene of him like you know in a flower of you're in a garden of flowers and then he steps down and picks a flower up and is like wow sniffs this is so beautiful it's beautiful it's been 1920s cartoon and all the flowers are dancing it's worth thinking about that him removing the pellet is not going to remove his memories of all of the stuff that he's had to do as a soldier for decades you know like that should be informing his history but it's like it gets ignored completely if we can do that escalator shot I know right if we can do an easy to understand comparison from a series that to be fair hasn't even handled this character that well lately Bucky in the MCU when he gets his conditioning removed he doesn't become like the chill guy from Captain America one before he went to war like no no you have to all the stuff he's been through is still there and you can see that chief has to work through like his history and all of the battles he's had to fight in and like just come to grips with I guess the grand nature of this this war that it seems like he's been an active participant in but hasn't really thought much about but we jump past all that because they're not interested in looking at that they want to jump to what I think is essentially the theme of this show like and so and so they ignore that this character in this universe would have a history that frankly would make him a different person than what is presented in this show yeah and then we get to the there's the difference here between in the show Master Chief is a character who is stoic because that is his personality he is not a he's not a big talker that's yeah yeah you're right I'm sorry in the game Master Chief his he's stoic by nature that's his personality that is who he is grown to become by the nature of what he has been raised to do and his life and where it is taken him and what he does for a living essentially he is become the way he has become naturally and it makes a lot of sense that he would be that way he processes this just fine he doesn't have this crazy internal conflict in his mind about who but who am I and anything like that that's who he is and it makes sense that he has that personality whereas in the show it's just oh he has a chip inside of him always thought it was low weird that it was at the very bottom of the spine way down there when it's like an emotion you think it'd be closer to the great how well for the are they gonna throw in a scene of him naked you know show off that ass he's good more than once yeah that's how I remember Master Chief is butt ass naked and having conversations of people I consider this to be like a flaw within the show itself that you have the Spartan program that is presented as being largely similar to what it was in the games it's a program that is trying to create super soldiers from a very young age conditioning getting them to a place where they're going to be like your most competent soldiers but the show seems to believe that like all of that training doesn't really amount to anything mentally it's like the chip and we're moving the memories of the childhood that would create these people is precisely what I'm described you they they took a big box but they left some components behind from from the source and the the the confusions now come in Adam they try to almost argue especially with Kai it's like this is just a normal girl just a normal girl and what was preventing that was the emotional inhibitor it's like oh that's not at all what I expected for these lads like with everything they've been through and trained up to be from what this shows told me exactly at this point they have a history that would have turned them into a type of person not to say that removing the emotional inhibitor wouldn't have consequences for them of course well the idea of an emotional inhibitor is just dumb to begin with so this is the thing I I'm kind of like I agree and disagree and and this is kind of like I'm already in the same boat you know if you have so I agree in the sense that an emotional inhibitor would be not necessary is given what that program is and how it's designed you would have naturally stoic reserved like due due to bound um you know like complying to be that yeah yeah you would be trained to be that way you wouldn't need an emotional inhibitor that's kind of the nature of having such a rigorous program and obviously unethical program is that that's the consequence you don't need the inhibitor however if you have in this show and they are essentially demonstrated to make you hyper competent mill in terms of military you never like deviate from objectives you really calm you don't make mistakes essentially why aren't these given to everyone why why don't all the Marines have these so that they can switch on and off in battle and then get in the zone and be like able to competently fight the covenant why aren't they're available to everybody I'm trying to get image of the fucking inhibitor while avoiding images of his ass yeah that's the best part it seems like it seems really lazy almost that Oh he's this way because they put a chip in him well like the reason Oh well so this is the thing the show has a perspective the show is perspective is that what makes you a spun is the emotional inhibitor in your back yeah like and that is that is bad right so the show is making a statement which is that like this is bad it removes a nest you know like an intrinsic aspect of you as a person that is like valuable on a sort of cosmic scale problem is that chief makes a lot of decisions throughout this show that because he didn't have the inhibitor cause a lot of negative consequences for people around him that get people killed that nearly jeopardizes the entire fate of humanity so like the statement that you're trying to make kind of contradicts the consequences of chiefs actions are you still laughing about the butt no I'm laughing because no because it's just saying it's really funny because they they make such a big point of like him removing his inhibitor chip or whatever but it's actually it just makes them a shittier person well yeah I assume that's what part of what what what for he was leading to a little bit there was like um without these inhibitors they become categorically worse at their fucking jobs uh I nearly dies because I'll yeah what Kai does is not nearly as bad as what Master Chief does were because he took that inhibitor out he is able to be easily easily easily manipulated by a Covenant spy Oh I thought you're going to go with the fact that he gave up the whole mission to protect the Oh I guess so many Mahler I can't keep him straight well yeah because he makes he makes a lot of decisions um that are just like the wrong decision if if Chief's objectives are to save as many lives as possible he makes a lot of choices that fly in the face of that goal um and so you're kind of left to wonder it's like what are you trying to tell me because like Chief has just become a lot less reliable uh in a way that's been detrimental to the lives of other people because the clearest example of this is like yeah he he he aband the mission to try and save Kai not recognizing that if the Covenant get the keystone they're one step closer to killing everybody including Kai exactly um and and uh this as to rags his point the um that the f**king the Covenant spy like yeah if he had his inhibitor up I guess he would have been able to resist her incredible advances by the way she tried so hard he's like I reject the pleasures of the flesh the glory of battle is eternal unfortunately well unfortunately you know I guess Master Chief did you take out your horny pill you did well ask that like Halsey nose but Perangoski doesn't know keys there are red flags everywhere or all over the place well I mean I mean I feel like the biggest one is he tried to kill Halsey like twice he he totally did the second time the show likes to pretend that didn't happen though yeah which is why you use that as the uh the picture for the thumbnail it's such a it illustrates so perfectly everything that's wrong with the show I think it's quite poetic it's um I I guess um this I um I don't know this might be a more this kind of leads into theme a bit but I flat out think that it is a more boring choice to have master chief have his memories of his childhood removed and the emotional inhibitor in his chip and then when he finds out the nature of the Spartan program he's vehemently opposed to it I find that that is a much shallower idea then having chief be fully aware of what happened to him he knows that he was abducted as a child and put into a rigorous program and that a lot of his peers died in the process of augmentation and and and then he he knows that doesn't have any like emotional suppressor thing in his back he's become this person and he accepts what's happened to him as an overall good thing in the pursuit of a broader objective of saving humanity I think that's a lot more interesting thematically then what they chose to do in this show especially considering how much of Halo 3's not just in the game itself but particularly marketing-wise how it was very hopeful and inspiring that you know this is the end of a trilogy this is the the the master chief has become this icon of of hope of our willingness to you know fight and survive and they had all this stuff that they could have pulled from that bungee was very very specific to make a part of their games which I guess you wouldn't know if you didn't give a shit about the games this stuff exists it's not like you had to the the need to completely strip all that away from the show or maybe it's not even stripping it away they didn't even know it existed to put it in the show you know you get that I don't think they identified it as a potent thing and the reason because these are the reason why I think that it's a more potent way to do it it's interesting to think about if you have Master Chief and you're like so you know what the Spartan 2 program was and he says yeah but this is better for the overall you know humanity it's interesting to think about well so he's cool with it but I'm not you know because because it's such an unethical like program he has this perspective that's probably the most important part but how much is it his perspective how much is it just the consequence of him going through the training is this what John like John the person would feel but does that even matter now if this is who he is and this is who is become and then of course you get into the discussion of like the concept of greater good and and and a hugely important aspect of that would be well how do the people who were robbed of their lives how do they feel about it like I think that there's a lot more interesting questions that you could derive from that concept and I think what they presented here as much simpler and the reason why it's simpler is because it is in service of a perspective that they hold which is that like that that that what the Spartan program essentially like limits or removes from people is something that is like innately valuable and ought not be gone rid of which is a perspective that you can have it gets a little complicated though when the the the context of this story is an existential threat to humanity that will spell the end of all humans when you have a doctor's strange thing where they refuse to entertain the idea that maybe someone dying to save the multiverse is all right they totally do it in their own movie so that's why it's super dumb when like that the prime example just being when when alt wander is getting attacked and doc streams like yeah that's fine don't worry about it we've almost won it's just like wait isn't the whole point that you're not supposed to okay I guess just what is what do people think about I guess that is like a choice with our chief in the show versus in the game I think you made a lot of great points dude I mean this is what this is why I like halo broadly as a franchise I respect its themes and what are the themes of halo right to to me it's like a Pandora's box story like don't be at least take caution when you're meddling with things that are beyond your comprehension and then in addition to that there's also the cost of humanity in trying to win an existential war both on the collective level and the level of the individual right and so like is it worth is it right to rob chief of all his humanity in order to make him an efficient killing machine that might actually see humanity through this war and defeating the covenant but but what is the right thing for like the covenant to win or humanity to win and like this is why there's like and why didn't you write the show in the finale there's like the whole thing with Cortana completely writing chief right the execution of that is terrible but I actually like the thematic question that it poses right it's like what is chief now he's extremely efficient at killing aliens now like to the to like a robot level of efficiency where you can just calculate the trajectory and and movements of every alien around him and just kill them basically instantly that's like pretty much what happens in that last fight scene and is that the right thing so they can win or is that the wrong thing because an individual has been completely robbed of everything that makes him him I like I like those questions I just didn't like the execution oh yeah I I would say that I like that question as well but yeah I agree not well I guess this is what I say I would not only agree that the execution is flawed but I also think that the show kind of needs to put up a compelling counter-argument yes but I think the show has the perspective that like and this this is kind of funny to me because the show has the perspective that halsey is evil which is obviously different from the games the games are more like halsey is complicated yeah yeah that's a great point yeah well she's a bad bitch dude she's an outright villain in this show yeah what's the villain yeah the thing about halsey and then I think we should hear from ER cause I want to hear more of his perspective after this but but halsey this is one of my main problems she doesn't feel like she does in the games and in the games especially in reach she's like she gives the impression okay yeah this is a woman who could totally control a bunch of super big badass fucking beefy guys and dudes right she's like are you a puppet or a Spartan you know she's she's like putting them in their place while she's behind a glass wall hiding but she's just like she's just an older woman but you get this like motherly vibe from her where it's like like she will lay down the fucking law and they will all follow it you know what I mean right and I don't get that impression respect her and the in the games she has this efficiency and pragmatism and sternness to her that's backed up by someone who is intelligent here's something that's important to consider I replayed reach yesterday and the final line of reach of the final scene is Halsey basically and she actually is sad that he didn't get to live to see humanity win because in Halsey cares about the Spartans they're not just like don't get you don't get that impression in the show they mainly save that for her feelings for a daughter and that's about it but here's here's the awkward part though I don't so in the games the Spartan program or I guess in the books the Spartan program was not created to stop the Covenant the Spartan program was created to quell insurgencies it just so happened that the Covenant attacked when the program was completing and so that just became the heel turn and it's something that's kind of acknowledged is like well nobody really cares about the Spartan program anymore like what it was and how unethical it was because it achieved this goal even though it wasn't the goal intended so like in the show though I don't know if the Spartan program was created to quell insurgencies or if it was created to stop the Covenant because if it was created to stop the Covenant it's like huh like the Spartan program in the original law is like a hell of a lot more unethical in and of itself as a program we don't know in the show though like it's unclear and so it's like a little bit more awkward to make Halsey more evil when like the context that it arose in is much more ambiguous and maybe be the context of stopping the Covenant I have no idea though I don't know slide in the first episode that he was made to go after insurgents though such as Juan-Hazma who he just killed that's true I guess I guess it's hard to tell because the Covenant are there too so well and they don't believe the Covenant exists as well rubber so yeah we were confused for a while I thought it was UNSC propaganda Oh yeah that was yeah that's dumb that's dumb there's some things it's it's like the unbelievable yes the UNSC propaganda of we there isn't actually an alien race who's destroying planets and killing untold millions of human beings no no no and there's certainly in the future is not like photographic evidence of this no no it's just UNSC propaganda Juan says you can doctor video and that's oh well that takes care of that you know why believe anything then get it to help me to go back to my dirt farm there's something a little bit all for dark and I believe her dad being skewered right in front of her yeah there you go wow no that was that was UNSC propaganda as a hologram it's like the chief in a in a meat suit and her around the clock with that shit when her episode her dad's like the the insurgents they say oh the UNSC is like spread thin they're pulling out it's like oh can you not connect the dots as to why that might be the case why else would they be spread thin what else would they be dealing with if not the aliens they don't have communication though with like other planets and in a network of anything beyond they've got television there's no way that the Covenant have been active for this long and that they're not believing it is the big problem waller Madrigal exports a lot of material to other planets they have a lot of material that they export to other planets so if multiple planets have been glossed did they not believe the UNSC propaganda bro hey man I mean some people still believe the earth is flat but not a whole planet with it was always like that it was always like that also the planet be at round is UNSC propaganda okay man for the tards I don't that's a whole other problem um I suppose the thing with like chief as well that might be worth delving into is that the show seems to believe that there is something like the whole connection to the forerunners that he has that's unique to him which is dude you guys have no idea like how many problems this causes but it seems to present that like that aspect alone has an effect on him that exists beyond the emotionally suppressing which I guess is worth saying those pellets don't work cause like chief gets very he screams what am I while he's still got the pellet in his back and you can be like well that's cause he touched the keystone but Vannick and Riz also in like episode 9 while they still have the pellets in their back go all like ooh I don't know like oh I don't like this so the pellets don't work yeah makes you wonder what the pellet does exactly and it's hard to take it seriously because they pop it out like it's a tic-tac under the skin it's just like that yes I don't I like chief wedges a knife into a spine it's like man that's the most unsafe fucking procedure ever it's controlling your emotions you'd be like whatever if I tug on this thing I might kill myself yeah we need to be fair Cortana was sort of telling him where to stab himself that was yes really terrible now Kai didn't have this she's just a better surgeon in general she saw his ass when he was doing it she knew it to poke you know he could have been wearing underwear in that scene by the way I wish you no not no no I wish it were recorded but when we you've wanted to see his ass didn't you we're watching that scene when it cut to Kai just staring at it I think we burst out laughing for like 20 seconds straight that was really funny yeah oh why was she in there staring at him I don't know what because if you as long as your Spartans have chips in their backs you can have co-ed showers and it saves on storage you know I'm also I was we used to talk about that she sees all that happened and she's like whoa yeah that oh okay I'm not I'm not I'm not I'm not I'm not I'm not in there I'm not I'm not you know when like because why would she do this she has the pellet in her back you know I love what you guys pointed out about the pellet before like rags you were saying why isn't it closer to the brain which I thought the same thing and then act men you said well we need an excuse to see his ass right I'm definitely it's so funny to me that that's what came first for them in the writers room it's like we got to show the audience chief's juicy ass how do we do that okay like if one of you guys said it's going to be in the base of his spine I'd be like oh because it's intertwined with his spine and like and that's that's in some way a core area that's going to spread through the whole body in some way like right and it's like no it's just there no it is directly north of the cheeks it's yeah it's not I guess it's the brain yeah let's get this thing yeah I think the big what I don't like about the show is this might be somewhat controversial but I feel like the story beats it has could have worked the idea of John regaining a bunch of emotions and kind of being unhinged that's something that could potentially work but that's that's it and like even even a love story but that shit has to be way down the line because we never got to know chief as an Italian if you're going to do yes you know you need to be able to illustrate the difference between the changes how does he go through the change without everyone going the fuck's wrong with you you're earning your gun and your badge you're out of line also we're going to check you to see if your chip is still there oh my god it's clearly not that's that's a fact that's what what's going on all of this off on Kwan in the beginning but she's dumped off in what episode two yeah yeah um now there was that well so I'm glad you brought that up this is a bit of a tangent but um this show has a horrendous plot um well so yes she does chief is is power and goski who's like the head of only she's like admiral power and goski she's talking with keys and like when chief I guess to lay it out for people I haven't watched the show chief goes on a mission to Madrigal which is like an out of colony planet the colonies being attacked I'm pretty sure that the show has absolutely no explanation for how they knew the Covenant were there um why they were there at that time and how they came in like I'm pretty sure there's no explanations that's that's fantastic um they get into a fight they kill the aliens um Kwan who was the son of uh the daughter of um the leader of the insurgency she's the last survivor in this little outpost uh and um like chief goes finds an artifact we'll talk about that uh Kwan follows she gets knocked out uh and they're like all right well let's go back to base I'll go with the artifact uh and take Kwan you three in silver team the rest of the Spartans will go elsewhere and so as they're coming back um Miranda keys uh gives her a little call and is like hey can you like help with the war effort by saying the Covenant did this and Kwan very rationally says I'm gonna say that it was the UNSC even though I just saw my dad get impaled by an alien like an alien your life was only saved thanks to the UNSC thanks to the UNSC yeah but she just got locked in now and this is what we call a great start to a brand new character ah I was gonna say that I was gonna say that well okay okay like done the worst thing about Kwan is her fucking haircut I hate I don't know it's up there isn't it just infuriating to look at yes it is kind of a no it makes me upset and the flashback she had normal hair and then like oh it's so much better she put on pro she knew when to put on protag a female protagonist hair she's got a story was gonna mushroom with a tail yeah the mullet the mullet bull cut the mullet tail listen in 2552 or whatever that haircut is going to be all the range was a space hair cut it's like she turned up on set with it because she's like with sci-fi right this sci-fi hair cut they're all like oh oh yeah like this I agree your haircut is science fiction it's true yes after Kwan is like now I'm not going to help you this is what the UNSC decide oh man how much do we want to talk about this so the UNSC are like okay so wait we're going to order Master Chief to kill her she's going to ruin everything now for many problems with this first of all oh why don't you bring her back for questioning and then maybe try and ask her yeah you you like cut out at it so did for oh um so why don't you bring her in for questioning to maybe talk to us see if she knows anything about why the Covenant were there what happened at the base like any strategies they might have employed that might be useful and of course to try no let's kill a child immediately that's what they decide instead of yeah and of course not only even if they wanted to commit to this absurd decision which they didn't need to do because if she doesn't want to comply you could just like lock her up for a while if you you know or maybe try and convince her when she isn't as angry you have a lot of options get a fucking like someone to pretend to be one they also have all the cameras from all of these Spartans that were there like there's just most the threat of this woman spreading a lie is just miniscule it's miniscule when you have four helmet cans it's absurd yeah release the footage straight away because it's like oh this happened like today we don't have time to edit this footage hopefully they recorded this conversation to where she's like basically threatening to use this as an idea I imagine they would see they're so ridiculous and so unable to be reasoned with that they're willing to cover up an alien attack on a human settlement just to achieve order to make you an sd look bad that's how that's how evil they are because Kwan is from the beginning from episode one she's a fucking idiot what we're kind of getting out here is that they made the worst decision which would kill her on route back to reach master chief that's the decision they make now of course they believe follow this order because apparently that's something that master chief would do in this universe big difference from the games chief would not do that which makes you think like so they don't have a moral compass at all they are just automatons they are robots yeah I think that the big thing here is that in the games that's not something the UNSC would do know it's not season that this show definitely wants to portray human military is bad yeah well though the thing is games yeah yeah Aaron got here is the head of on you but it's UNSC who make this choice the only doesn't exist in the show does it yeah it does I think it's briefly mentioned in one episode yeah I don't have Aaron Gossky is the leader of only um yeah okay but I don't think they mention often um yeah because is because it's UNSC doing all the stuff so it would be confusing if one on reach city on the planet reach people who like the show can't count the two we we can't be throwing that into your asking a lot yeah I don't know only only is basically space CIA like they're said and chat yeah it's yeah off of the naval intelligence that whereas the UNSC is like just you know I guess what you would perceive is like the army what's United Nation space command but in any case that's the order that they issue well the episode it's chief has to decide whether or not to execute the skill is threatening to they mean things about the UNSC is just like you kidding me you fucking kidding me this is the plot and so here's the thing though chiefs not going to do it because when dude do we want to talk about that now we'll get to that like he touched an artifact that kind of flimped with his memories he's he's confused mm-hmm or he decides ah I wasn't prepared to because like I think it's probably I think the artifact that it's very very important to the show and the show sorry the inciting incident yeah go the makeup is of this show yeah we're in a free from will go for it okay so let's let's walk it back a little bit the Covenant on Madrigal are digging and they have excavated for ringing this uh maybe it might be important for those who don't uh know the Halo stuff just as a as a reference to compare it to what are they in the games real quick and then we can see what the what the show does with it or before you mean the Covenant oh so like artifacts and so in the games the forerunners are an ancient alien race who created the halo rings like they created the array they're super duper advanced but they are lost to the flood so they activated the rings wiped him out and then you know 100,000 years later humans um and off this that I know that this is contentious um so what you basically learn in the games is that humans for whatever reason can interact with forerunner artifacts and they can interact with the halo ring they can fire at the Covenant can't nobody in the Covenant can't but um but but chief can and humans can the reason why is because prior to 343 humans were forerunners or at the very least descendants of forerunners um I think is why the arc is on earth it's the reason why the arc was going to be on earth that's and why the portal is there that's right and in fact um guilty spark explicitly says to chief in halo three you are forerunner so yeah that's that's basically the nature of the dynamic however the Covenant believe that the forerunners are like gods um but the profits truth mercy regret the leaders of the Covenant essentially know that this is a lie they know that humans can interact with these things propagated as humans are unworthy we got to wipe them out they they're like unworthy they can't tread on these on these sacred things and that's kind of the nature of the um the conflict so what you're looking at on screen there is chief when he went to Madrigal they found that the Covenants were digging up a a forerunner site and there's this this weird little floating thing there chief goes in grabs it and weird holographic lighting thing but also kind of shows flashes of a of this boy running around and he's got a dog and he's like drawing pictures and living in his little family home which we later realizes chief's past that's locked away from him so this artifact unlocks his memories it does a lot of other things but it unlocked his memories and because of that he's kind of doing things that are a little bit odd a few moments later it's a leak to escape and inform the Covenant that he touched the artifact which is a huge critical plot thing I guess these two just didn't see him standing there he he goes outside and he's like yeah I'm going to take the artifact and I'm going to take Kwan and Kai is like oh that's against protocol now if if Spartans never break protocol ever how is this not a red flag instantly like something that you would flag up immediately got a plot that we need to progress we got to do our own thing I know their radars aren't working they have eyes like maybe check the whole place instead of just walking to the artifact without sweeping through and making sure there's no one inside there's a phantom outside there's no reason to assume that there are no other aliens left maybe make sure that the area is absolutely secure these are meant to be the most competent soldiers ever you're supposed to keep some on the entrance then as well yeah well phantom is a big ass Covenant know it's it's very it's very conspicuous it's very conspicuous it's pretty visible I guess it's a good thing that none of the people at the base saw it fly over but whatever that is they yeah he decides to take the artifact in his Pelican and he's been looking at it for a while he's he's a little bit like oh I'm not sure what to do with this like I'm feeling conflicted that's kind of the way that he would describe him so conflicted that when he has he discloses what is probably very confidential information about his top secret missions to her just he feels like it so he's already pretty much not himself at this point yeah is because him disclosing all this information is not at all necessary to him not killing her it's necessary for plot though at least the objectives that they want but whatever and so when he gets the order he doesn't want to follow through on it which is unexpected because Spartans seems to these orders like all the time unquestioningly and that leads to like the the first major sort of conflict of the story which is the chief doesn't want to kill Kwan and he is now actively trying to prevent the UNSC from doing things so like he's turning off cameras in the pelican I want to kill Kwan do I guess to be to be fair he's too stupid to live but I wonder if the audience is meant to assume that had it not been for the intervention the artifact and chief got that order to kill Kwan that he would have just done it he would have immediately just stood up hold his gun out and shot her I think so the show is saying what another yeah the show was saying that like the artifact causes a huge change in him which I guess we see in the episode because yeah he's going out of his way to save her and that is unexpected like it surprises UNSC command it surprises keys and power and Goskey this this then leads to events that is so utterly contrived that I don't even know where to begin let me it's very the show very quickly lets you know that there doesn't seem to be many rules in terms of what you might expect can happen this is sort of our first foray into just sort of expect whatever the writers want to happen to just sort of happen well so what what we see happen is chief shuts off the UNSC capabilities to track his Pelican like hours to arrive on reach like he did hours ago and I guess command just didn't think like oh what the hell is he doing they just decided to deal with that several hours later when he's much much closer to reach and then like breaking off from the team and stuff was already enough for them to be like something's wrong with you should be it should have been yeah but but so they seem like turning off the cameras and so they they drain oxygen from the Pelican to try and kill Kwan and then they drain oxygen from chief suit I guess they can't lock his armor even though surely armor lock would be a feature of this armor yes really weird that they would have control over his fucking oxygen but nothing else but not it's right well and it gets a little awkward when in episode nine they jump out of a Pelican from like two kilometers in the Aaron land it's like oh so you do have some sort of armor lock capabilities right surely definitely not maybe it's not a part of this shows cannon and then chief they drain his oxygen to 40% they're going to knock him out they don't want to kill him fortunately he lands in the Pelican next to a control pad that when he opens it up he can just restore oxygen to the ship damn isn't that lucky I guess pretty hilarious they can't just drain more of his oxygen they can't just do it to the ship again and now she's quite the engineer here is a thing you might be thinking man UNSC basically written off Master Chief as an asset even though he's a war hero known renowned in humanity that's an interesting choice considering that this order is absurd like you hold all the cards so I don't know why you would want to execute Kwan and have it happen en route instead of bring her in for questioning and trying to convince her doing anything yeah you can always execute her later but you can't un-execute her exactly yeah and if you show it's like I don't get it but then you know halsey sing all this happen and this is what she she decides like no I don't I don't want sheep to get killed so here's what I'm going to do I'm going to go to silver team his Spartan buddies I'm going to tell them that if any UNSC soldier tries to apprehend Master Chief you can kill him you like it's not later there's like 10,000 Marines they can't take them all on but nevertheless she makes this choice yeah don't don't blink on the Marines you'll never see them again how would this not be an utter catastrophe like for the Spartans and Halsey like the Spartans would get killed Halsey would be done because she's the one who told them to do this and it would be like you'd program would be finished forever program would be over the body count would be intense wait so um what uh where are we going to focus on now oh I at this point I think whatever you feel like but you can this section is called miscellaneous as well it's mainly just going through the plot of episode one as quickly as I guess we could just to and then I guess you could just say this is the same throughout the show you get all of this kind of scene it's just every scene it's non-stop with problems it's a character saying something that makes no sense it's a plot point that makes no sense it is a thing happening due to inconceivable odds it is a problem every scene every step of the way like is it even on they touch on like oh Master Chief is special but do they ever discuss the whole he's lucky theme or motif so they have him win 13 games of like heads or tails which I didn't he only win twice in the in full of reach like he wins 13 times or something he's very lucky but they don't really the they go beyond what the games do is kind of done which is to wreck conchief into being super duper the specialist created by the forerunners to be like the most awesome thing ever when in the original it was just an observation that he's lucky that's it it's not meant to be read into that much but huh like by the time Halo 3 was coming out it was kind of more like yeah you know he makes it onto the forerunner ship Halo 2 yeah yeah I just I guess I guess sure that it's yeah like stated though just the insanity of episode 1 being that like you know just as I was saying that the whole like oh my god the plot is going to be whether or not he kills this girl because you want to see stupid and like that's not even close to late it all starts to tumble out into well now that he's gone a wall because he refuses and they tried to kill him or at least subdue him and that didn't work we're now gonna have our entire base prepare to take down master chief and then Halsey response is like Spartans if they even try kill the ball and you're just sitting you're like how the hell did we get here like 10 minute the planet yeah this is the first episode military base this is we're all this is the this is reach city on planet reach or wherever it's it's it it would be awful well so and then we get cause cause we're talking about chief's characters so what happens is he's trying to make preparations Juan grabs a B arm pointed at chief is like I'm going to kill you I don't trust you and then chief he's like you know what I'm going to take off my helmet if you this is a sign of trust you can trust me it's like man she could kill you and then you're all doomed like if she kills you it's over and you can stop her you don't need her to trust you if you want to save her life you can just save her putting your life killing her would be a form of like you can trust me I could have killed you at any point and you can still just walk up to it right now she can fire as many shots as she wants she's taking that gun off her yeah but he decided to take off the helmet right directly in the face as you should have well so I was hoping for that would have been the most hilarious outcome yeah the show ended there just him getting shot the head and then it's like just the end of the episode but yeah he decided like now this is pretty stupid and it seems not like the kind of thing that a hardened super soldier with years of experience would ever do no pretty incongruous with who he is should have been shot and the credits roll over his dead face yeah exactly and they were like that was a really great joke we start the actual show next week like oh okay now here's the thing the show tries to present a justification they say that like the helmet is the means by which the UNSC can like mess with the suit's functionality and communicate with him but I don't really believe that cause like if they if they lose their helmet in combat like a spot loses their helmet is that it you can't track him you can't find him there's nothing you can do to contact him and also into the suit itself instead of just the helmet I don't buy it I think it's a really shitty excuse to try and justify him taking his helmet off and it doesn't even feel the the show believes that the suit is symbolic of like concealing away the humanity of chief as a person and him taking this helmet off is a strong first step into understanding there's a man under here and it's just like oh what I already knew that that exactly but that plot point could have come in like season three or something you know I mean yeah it's the first fucking episode first episode it's really odd when you think about the the credit sequence it it's not often where you have to talk about the credit sequence being strange and seeming against the show but the credit sequence of halo is a we assume naked master chief man as armor just sort of forms around him like nanotechnology he starts off without armor and then slowly but surely it just covers him and forms into armor and so then he could be in his armor and look at the the viewer at the end of the the intro sequence which seems to be the opposite of what the show wants to do but it's portrayed as triumphant it's because it's because the suit is recognizable iconography that's it that's all there it's the show the shows themes are diametrically opposed to like just say so it's trying to make the armor cool while also making it symbolically bad yeah and like kind of hilarious but to round out the the insanity of episode one I don't know why chief didn't try to get control of the ship like earlier instead of right before he arrives on reach he had like a day to work with or at least like several hours and then like they're like oh we got to use this control panel and that'll give us control of the ship and Quan shoots it it's like man good thing that didn't just destroy everything and I actually gave she control of the ship yeah like you need that showdown on the tarmac where they've all got the guns out it's really hard not to compare it to I bypass the compressor just like you see this character did something useful that's great and you're just sitting there like you had what what and so what happens after that is that like chief is about to escape now that he's got control of the Pelican and Macgun shoot down the pelican with the master chief and Macgun they shoot it they shoot it down with like use the fucking Macgun on him yeah now for reference at the end of Halo reach the Macgun is so strong that when you fire it into a Covenant supercarrier it blows the whole thing up um the Macgun we got used it on the Pelican the Covenant the Covenant that's why I thought the gun in the show wasn't a Mac Canon I thought it was an eup like a big EMP gun that kind of looks like a Mac Canon is that what a Mac Canon is is an EMP blast what's it the Mac Canon in the games like is a giant like I thought it was missile like a yeah like a basically a targeted nuke okay yeah it's the it's almost like the ships are built around the it's like the a 10 Warthog of space they are huge massive cannons that especially in the books and amount of importance is given to these Mac guns because they are Humanity's most effective weapon against Covenant fleets essentially the only effective weapon against I really have I remember they are insanely important extremely powerful it is the thing around a lot of strategy and tactics that humans use is is revolving around the Mac gun and being able to use it fire it as much as possible and to defend it expand is a is a is a huge loss for Humanity if they're if they lose a Mac gun to expand upon Rags is point the like you said it's one of the most effective weapons that humanity has in the games against the Covenant because the Covenant have superior ships that's like a big aspect of why the Covenant are so scary is because they are really they've just got better ships and that's a huge part of warfare you wouldn't know that in this show though because oh yeah the show was a factor at all I was like oh yeah that you really you really ever see Covenant actually using their fleets threat well you just wouldn't know that the Covenant are an existential threat to humanity you think there are a my old annoyance to occasionally appear from time to time haha yeah look we'll talk about that a bit more in any case they shoot the Pelican down with the Mac gun it's like an EMP and then they get surrounded we've got this big tense build up as they're going to break through but oh no the silver seems going to they're probably going to kill these guys but chief is here just staring at the are the for runner artifact laying there he's like well what does this do and then he grabs it and it emits an EMP that knocks out all power to reach city and all of the equipment and everything around them except it restores power to the Pelican so that they can escape he are what do you think it makes sense about that or does that too sometimes they'll touch and there's no gigantic pulse wave that knocks everybody yeah yeah people around sometimes rather than just taking out like systems and devices I I don't understand the rules for this you see the artifact has a very special ability you guys it does whatever the plot it sounds to me it is it is great now it's extremely I guess it depends on what you're you're cause a lot of people use MacGuffin similarly but not always the same it does seem to be this like it does what it needs to do thing in this show yeah it does not be called a plot device right it is essentially yeah it is a plot device a device yeah like literally a plot device so here's here's a question how does an artifact that predates humanity directly interface with human technology to restore power to the ship how does it do that that would be called the mystery of science Fringie I suppose it is the it is I don't know I guess any any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic I guess chief suit isn't electronic because it doesn't knock out power it's dean powered I well yeah yeah uh silver team is what their name is right do you say sorry yeah shouldn't all through all of them have fallen over like with this it's freezing up or whatever I guess it doesn't do that it just knocks out power to everything except escapes now the reason why I went on this is because ER mentioned like oh the quan thing goes nowhere so like think about this the UNSC were willing to kill master chief because he refused the order to kill Quan he goes on an adventure an episode to and leaves Quan at a space station called the rubble with his old spot and buddy Soren comes back to earth without Quan and gets put back into like active Judy yeah that is really funny I didn't think about that they're just like oh the show didn't think about it the show forgot that was the thing that they did that it was a big plot point and it's never brought up again and chief has never asked like hey where's that where's Quan the person that all of that was about because that's not the show needed drama needed to get him away and then get him back and then I had to deal with it because it really badly written show I had no idea that we were going to get like a whole adventure with here and the the guy from the asteroid place I was just like damn that's that's the it's the biggest beeplot in the show I think it is the biggest beeplot yeah and it stands for it's not the beeplot that I've ever seen oh it has a complete drag completely like just get rid of it and it wouldn't change the overall structure of the story whatsoever and if someone told you we've got Master Chief's childhood buddy who had the exact same upbringing as him except he at one point broke off and lived his own fulfilling life you're like and how is that going to play in this story? And you're like oh yeah there's so much that they could compare with there's so much like conflict those two characters could have it's like how much screen time do they have together like well you know barely any maybe ten weeks yeah well yeah this this um I think the only reason that Quan exists is because they want to set up a connection to the four runners because she she she visits desert mystics who give her like a juice that she drinks and then she goes on this vivid hallucination that reveals to her her ancestors many of whom she never would have met and also reveals a forerunner monitor in a well so it's like so this is magic then right because how do you have these memories like how can this be a part of your subconscious the location of the well that's your ancestor dug to get water that lead to a portal probably to a forerunner construct on this probably Juan was the amulet are that's how it worked out oh she's definitely propped up by every element that isn't natural like everything is keeping her in this and important who knows what they'll make her during season too cause cause they she's a protector proper noun with a capital P for protector so it's it's some forerunner shit probably but again it's like just man because because this is where maybe maybe the next subject should be coincidence which is pretty persistent in this show and that's one of them I sound like you had something there I'm just I'm just agreeing coincidence throughout plethora think about think about so we we talked about that keystone that artifact that chief had that does the EMP but also unlocked memories so like that's a hugely important plot point in this show now we keep saying is forerunner that's never said in the show because they don't know anything about the forerunners yet they don't know about what halo is like who made it or anything to do with their history or the flood or anything like that these are just like artifacts they found the keystone is something that the covenant really want because they worship the forerunners as gods and they're looking for these artifacts there are two there's this one little smaller part and there's one big chongus part and they both fit together and in episode nine we find out that that basically reveals a map that shows where halo is now chief when he grabbed the keystone it turned on but when they test on the other spawns it don't work it just doesn't work doesn't seems to interact to work with anybody else it was lucky because soren touched on the rubble I imagine that knocking out power to a space station probably not a good thing but fortunately it doesn't go off to be fair that alone is like major character assassination him choosing to touch it it's like a lot of people didn't even realize the damage that does to a character dangerous for an artifact he just touches it he doesn't know what it would do because he could kill everybody if it knocks out all the power to what is a station that likely relies for existence on power it's just like damn you take that risk just because you have you're an idiot okay lordhood didn't have a pacemaker yeah well well fortunately he wasn't there he's only in it for one episode and he's like the only character who reminds me of the video became counterpart even to a little bit I guess that might be something where I guess we'll get to that point yeah we'll save it for when we get to that point yeah I guess it's just to lay this out they're on the rubble which is a space station built into an asteroid chiefs there with Soren and Soren's like he leads him to this weird like kind of mental institution where you've got a bunch of people in cages where all the riders live so these are people who are abducted abducted by the four by the covenants for purposes unknown and why so I wouldn't it's a wonder yeah so the Covenant they are not out to do anything they want to kill humans they want to destroy all humans they want humans need to die they all need to die right humans their existence is in a front to in their religion they need to be destroyed simple as that not really much else to it they want to kill humans these days love killing humans is great killing humans is great and the idea in this show that they just let humans go it makes no sense it's more effort and energy in time to let the humans go then just killing them which is what your goal is anyway that's why they destroy planets and cities and attack us that's their whole which is another great example of taking something from the source but then confusing the hell out of everybody when we try and it's like because Covenant hate humans it's like but they have a human that's really high-ranking and it's like they would still capture them for like whatever reasons maybe yeah but what I was like they would surely execute the ones they're done with they wouldn't return them that is really strange and so when you we talk about adaptation we're like so they're trying to tell us something else about this Covenant now this Covenant is different than than the game one and then by the time you hit the end of the season it's like no they hate all humans well yes and you're like that's that's something that's worth noting one of the changes that I hate the most in the show that rings that just seems so clear to me that they attitudes about writing that I hate Mackie is a human and she is in the Covenant and she is called a blessed one now and she's like a important part of the Covenant because I imagine they were like what we can't have Arbor to be a POV character stupid is nailing and needs to be a human they have no idea what they've done in terms of the changes that they've made to accommodate this story beat that we hear are about to get into because they're there in this place in the rubble with all of these crazy people and they talk to a guy called breath who's like crawling around on the ground he's going real insane and he he says it in a very jumbled and confused way this is awesome this is the shows Oscar performance but this well this is what he lays out in a very confused way for sure but he lays out Covenant have a religion and these artifacts are a huge part of it they search for these because they're looking for a real big important place they abduct humans because some humans can interact with these objects he relays all of this information achieve he relies in a confusing way but he he knows all of this how who told him does he speak the Covenant language did they tell him why would they tell him and if he knows these things why would they let him go Yeah, it's it's like it's it's just layers and layers of problems the fact that he's alive at all as Fringy said the fact that he knows what the Covenant want the fact he can understand their language that and by the way this it's not a nitpick especially the language thing the linguistics between humans and Covenant is like a plot point later in the show that they draw special attention to so any human who can any human who can understand the Covenant language is like how do you possibly know what they're saying and that well yeah well what I would say is also that I think it's a really dumb choice to have the prophets speaking in a foreign language because first off it's weird to introduce the prophets so early because that's kind of like like you draw back the curtain and the curtain draws back slowly so initially we should be introduced to like the Covenant just like elites and grunts and we see them fuck shit up you know kill humans when the profits were the Emperor thing from Star Wars where they refer to the Emperor you know he's out there but you don't exactly leave them until well the whole the whole reason why Halo 2 is good and why it made the the Covenant talk in English was to make them relatable so that we could understand what their society is like and what their government is like and it just it feels like when the prophets are speaking in a weird different alien language in Maki speaking it just it turns me off and late to them in the same way I was in Halo 2 and Halo 3 I agree I think it would mean better to just make them speaking English correct me if I'm wrong as well isn't the first time we see a profit very casual like the show doesn't be treated with any weight the show is just like there's a profit by the way it's like he's just chatting with Maki basically yeah yeah and the opening of Halo is yeah I got it on the screen that's our first times is just like oh okay you'd think they're like these are like the making conflict it's like and when they're introduced in Halo 2 it's a giant it's the biggest trial in the world you know what I mean and the ultimate antagonist of the series um like just the ultimate antagonist you know like even Force Awakens managed to get this right like like Snoke you treat him with all this you know JJ was I'm just saying like you have elites needing to they're drawn in maybe even have some fear of the profits from some of the Covenant members to just build the audience up a little bit before you just like oh there it is yeah they don't come across they don't they don't establish them off the bat as important as they actually are um and it doesn't help the fact that they're in this like architecturally what the fuck is this of the mushroom the the weird Oh like the no I'm fine with the floating city it's them think about the interior here you would be cool but the inside of it the inside of it looks nothing like I don't know why it's all why Covenant shit has always been like purple well it's always had this unified sense of design where whenever you're in a Covenant area whether it's their weapons whether it's their their military um like fortifications their cities their building interiors their ships you get this sense of of a design that they have this very tried and true this almost traditional this is how our ships are unified design in the show because you have these just fucking bizarre what is this white like this this feels out of place yeah are they really would cells and some bone marrow or you know how hard how hard would it have been to have like those cool side opening doors that go like well yeah they make you know and that's how he comes in yeah well maybe that's how far up does the stealing go what it I like I like that I like that I can make that and you guys all know what I'm talking about yeah the sound the door is opening yeah well yeah yeah it's it's the sound of progress is yeah it's you make a innovation good point good point about the introduction of the profits to because anybody knew to halo which I assume is part of the audience they're reaching for you know these showrunners as people who haven't played the games they're gonna look at the scene and they're gonna see two elites in a profit coming down the corridor and they're they're not gonna associate any kind of prestige with the profits right but they're like the not yeah they're now talented I don't I don't use the words elites but not the elites elites I mean like they're the elite of the Covenant they're the rulers of the Covenant there are three of them they are the most important individual members of the entire alien civilization that exists and in before I forget someone is someone brought it up in chat it's really weird that the two elites that we see here are just regular elites but they specifically have the Honor Guard outfit at the end of the season it is that is a good catch it is very strange especially because there are so many opportunities for them to have thrown in stuff from the games like that and they just don't it's like at the beginning well as we only have this one model for the elite so we're just gonna yeah those even an audience who's not familiar with it would are they're basically giant corrupt popes that have gotten all these aliens together under a full of regions yeah giant popes I feel like somebody know Halo who watches the scene and sees the profit he's just gonna be like oh I guess that's just one of the aliens but he's crippled and he's in like a space wheelchair he's like yeah he's like an old dude maybe he's in charge but he's probably like where's the giant where are the crowns they wore those giant gold crowns you know I think I think opening scene in establishing a lot of what you need to understand about the internal structure of the Covenant before they even explain it more thoroughly because you have the profits in the center of this massive this massive stage they're in the center they're in the light they're clearly the leaders you don't even need to be told they're the leaders it's transparently obvious and then you got a bunch of the like nobles and then you've got the they're the high guide right the the the elites with the big head dress and so it established and then of course you got like little jackals off on the side like and grunts just it establishes really clearly it's like right so these guys top dogs the elites are really important as are the Brutes and then we descend down the order you get a good sense of who's in charge the first especially if you watch the the Halo two anniversary cut scene where we're introduced to the Arbiter there is more world-building and character and just quality in that short short quote unquote short cut scene in the game then in the entirety of an entire season of television she missed opportunity considering that you have so much time this is your time to flesh out the Covenant but you yes really didn't like I think if you didn't know anything about the games you would not have a clear sense of what the Covenant believe in why they're after these relics to what end I don't even think you would have a good understanding what the great journey even is because I don't even know if the show knows what the great journey is they present the great journey as a thing they refer to well so here's the thing in the games the great journey is basically heaven that's after you activate the rings and you die and you go to the divine beyond like that's what the great journey is the show seems to think that the great journey is hmm but and that's what I mean if you don't know anything about halo I don't know that you could fully understand what their goals are and most importantly why do they hate humans so much it especially becomes complicated when you have a human within your ranks it's like wait a minute do you do you hate humanity what what's what's the deal they're a blessed one it's like does this not cause problems for your religion in the games it's a lie it's a conspiracy like he actually knows that you need humans to activate for runner artifacts but in the show it is known because she's part of the she's part of the high structure she's like within it she's a known entity does that not cause problems for your religion this is why it's to be thoughtful about the changes that you make if you're going to adapt because all this does is present problems the problem being specifically the blessed one system to find out that it is cheap like one in a billion to an ability to in a billion remember races one in 500 million I feel all right right right yes I would want to accidentally yeah yeah so I guess you may have remembered earlier it's like all humans can interact with them in the games because all humans for our reclaim is essentially reclaimer is like the title that guilty spot gives chief basically means you your back you can activate the rings you can you can do what the for runners did the blessed ones the reclaimers they don't call them reclaimers but we'll just call them that for the sake of ease must chief can interact with for runner artifacts Mackie can interact with for runner artifacts and as far as we're aware no other humans can it is an exceedingly rare genetic trait that enables you to interact with for runner artifacts this is a big problem guys and I strongly suspect that the shows writers haven't thought about why that's the case you know that's now limited to blessed ones quote unquote well because they need to have sex what do you mean? Reclaim her yeah so hot that's a meme but you may well be right that that was part of the reason it's the same reason why he that's what they use yeah to establish their connection on a deep level so I guess to lay out the background to this is this is coincidence on a level that is absurd later in the season we find out that chief as a youngster lived on a planet called a Riddness to it was like a planet where they were doing like a a terraforming kind of project and while he lived there he stumbled across the second piece of the keystone so man what are the odds that the one of like two known people in all of humanity who can interact with the for runner artifacts on two separate occasions aim into contact with both pieces of for runner technology and ended up having on to yeah and this is a lot Mona Lisa well I think the show wants you to believe that he's drawn to it with magic because Mac he says at the end like they've been guiding us so here's a question did the keystones guide chiefs family to sell on a Riddness to instead of anywhere else did it guide the program to be set up within a one kilometer walk of this incredibly rare piece of technology did it did it guide the UNSC to send silver team to Madrigal to fight the Covenant at the time that they were excavating the for runner artifact it is one of the weaknesses of this show it's it the show essentially it there's essentially magic in this show Oh there's a tremendous amount of magic in this show the yeah for runner technology was now there's a frickin witch covered in the show there was a wish cover and that's miss cool I'm so glad you brought that up because what are the odds that the one out of like all of humans who ever existed who can interact with for runner artifacts was sent on a mission where he came into contact with the last survivor of a Covenant attack who herself just so happens to have a family lineage that directly connects her to the for runners she yeah my god so what what happens to Markey in the 9th episode because they didn't watch it Oh she dies Kai shoots her because they've got the keystones there they she's activating it and it's revealing the location of Halo and she kills her this is presented a sad it ain't Markey's awful person she killed so many people and even even if that was all out of the way she was actively in the process of revealing what for whatever reason they've already seen the way they ever revisit her like backstory or is it just that unseen well so what well what they got was in episode a where she's like see humans evil because I got tased when I was a kid before the Covenant saved me and now I'm getting tased because I had been to murdering hundreds of UNSC personnel well because they had the one of the funniest parts of the show and I actually had to stop and and like sit there for a few minutes to process it I think it's in the third episode to finish laughing before you yeah yeah yeah I you might know where I'm going with this but I talked about in my video there's like her backstory she's like on some dumpster planet and she's reading a book with some other kid and they're about to kiss and then some guy just like jumps out of nowhere with a baton and chases down this kid and beats him to death yeah and I'm like I had to pause it I was like what the fuck am I watching yeah kind of backstory is this such cartoonishly oppressive like a police force I guess whatever stop having a good time over there yeah you're those children you're on the dumpster planet it's incredible shallow like plot point for sure because the thing is is like Mackie herself has no conviction she believes vehemently in the Covenant stuff until she meets John Halo and then they have sex and then she decides basically that she doesn't want to help the Covenant anymore and then it clears her head do you want I guess I guess it does that's what I mean it's like she doesn't believe in anything she does change her belief she believes in them vehemently very quickly she's nothing she's Kylo Ren she's confused that's her she does whatever the plot I think I like Kylo Ren a lot more than Mackie Oh absolutely Adam Drive is a really good actor so there's that yeah that's what I'm saying yeah um she's just annoyed I guess um to highlight again when we talk about that coincidence in terms of so this show wanted to have a story where they had a human character in the Covenant they wanted to do something with she being super duper important and special that was tied directly to like his humanity because when Cortana takes over she can't interact with these artifacts they wanted all of these plot points for their story but the only way that you could have these is with chosen ones essentially with the reclaimers they have to be chosen ones um they didn't think it through though because in the games everybody can interact with the forerunner artifacts like if everybody can do that there's nothing special about like chief being the person chief was just there he was on the pillar of autumn he's spun he is interacting with Guilty Spark and activating the rings and everything and doing all this stuff but it has nothing to do it could have been anybody it could have been it's starting to sound like it it's starting to sound like it would have been easier to just like follow the plot of the original games I mean that would have been yeah probably crazy idea that's an option because here is by making chief a chosen one you've stacked all of these coincidences of he interacted with one of these as a kid he was chosen to be in the Spartan program instead of anybody else he became the most competent most important Spartan that there ever was he got sent on a mission to Madrigal that brought him into contact independently of his first interaction with the other keystone with the second part of the keystone you are just like stacking the coincidences on top to the point that the entire plot hinges on an astronomically unlikely coincidence it's insane the whole the whole story like breaks not like on this a a chief was never some because we're because there were no handling games after reach chief isn't a chosen one right he's not some special prophesied that that he's a guy who's really good at his job I know I don't like to portray I know right we don't see those portrayed in media often but he's a soldier who's very good at his job and that allows him to get into situations where he can interact with forerunner architecture where he can do all of these things right because he's extremely competent at going places and doing things and completing objectives and in the show you never get the sense of he's just really good at what he does therefore he's able to do these things it's you it needed to be him all along he's super duper mega special on some intrinsic prophesied level and it's just so lame honestly one of the chosen ones based on a billion to one genetic deformity that I agree that it's one I don't know it is lame I can by the way because I really enjoyed Ackman recanting the the history scene we get for a mucky mucky that you have several moments without throughout the show that you you'll just say out loud I'm watching halo like this is and yet that scene though the writers consider that to be quintessentially important if you remember when they're hanging out oh yes good old John and and her she has like flashbacks to it as if to imply that kids that she kissed but then or didn't didn't manage to kiss John is now fulfilling that part of her I think this is how they would describe it they would be like she has a half and half view of humanity half of it is the love and experience you can share with each other the other half is that evil piece of shit that beat her friend to death and and electrocuted and usually like in this episode they almost try to set up it's like she's falling for chief this is a wonderful romantic story where will it go but it's all ruined when they when they hit her with a tazer and it's like guys you haven't earned any of this this is insane she's a horrible war criminal like why yeah yeah right she's killing a lot of people there's also pretend like their romance trumps everything else has happened in the show well also that's that's seen where she invades the ship and and you see the the hunter worms the let go low I why didn't they just have hunters they seem right why is the thing for a white war you see them standing around they just never that's it for a brief moment you see them standing around in the in Covenantville from what I recall it's literally one shot where you just see the boot of one of them and the worms come out of it yeah so we I don't think there's even a shot where we see the hunters full on it's just like that one bootshot that's fucking and they show them to be incredibly efficient compared to everything else they have they're crazily efficient if they're more efficient than hunters are and hunters are like mini boss fights you say so they have a comeback or ever reappear at any point or is it balancing well yeah all right then pretty bad I didn't even show up in the finale like come on just throw a hunter to in there why not have the words they're tough yeah well that was a thing as well right um I don't know if this is with point on now or whatever but because you guys will let me know we're watching this but when she like releases the hunter whims and they're going after everybody like an emergency thing is set so the ship is a race of its data right and like you were saying that this is interesting right because it's with if you don't know the games it's like the reason they do that is because then that the information on the ship can't lead back to earth slash reach right yes they it's it's essentially one of the ways that they try to prevent the covenant from finding out where the core protocol but what that's right where I remember being explained is like so that's why she's unlucky and she can't get at the information she wants the time but it's just like don't you is it in the games that they explode the ships as well or no I'm not sure sometimes they'll scuttle ships that like they but the main thing is to purge the data but yeah they'll they'll absolutely entails self-destructs of ships that's definitely something the cold protocol if they had engaged that she'd be within the first game yeah that's why in the first game you you're given Cortana in the first place because they got all the data stored on her that's right you can't let Cortana fall into enemy hands because if she does it's kind of however we haven't told people in the audience who don't know yet about I'm assuming it hasn't been mentioned yet because I don't think I've heard it this little thing I'm putting on screen right now the energy word in her energy sort finger that was absolutely hilarious that is indeed an energy sword that comes out of her fucking fingernail everyone this is so stupid why someone I one of the writers this would be so cool and bad scary I like the concept of like a stealthy based assassin type elite that maybe has like wrist blades or they even had those wrist blades all of the starcraft yeah yeah yeah they had a couple in the last scene on reach right when when noble six dies they have some of those elites with the wrist blades yeah I think that's kind of a cool concept this is a bit it's a bit silly this is goofy as fuck yeah fortunately when the yeah they never noticed this alien technology that's inside of her body well it's alright because she yanks it out anyway she yanks it out without anesthetic I wish she had a I wanted to have an energy blade for all her fingers and tornadoes yeah lady death strike like like ah like we are good thing there were no cameras in that room that could have captured there are never cameras ringing cameras get the way of us telling our plot we can have nothing and nothing is video or audio video can be doctored every room is a stone block this may well be a good time to point out I I think the UNSC in this show might be one of the most incompetent fictional militaries ever I I still posit that the first order are worse I I said one of it's it's fine if the the first order are absolutely insert but like the number of things that happen in this show that just like man very command chain of command what is that I was I was going to say for a job saying they won off isn't even that special because that just tends to be the norm at this point what's the last time you came across like a government organization in a big piece of media that you were like this is an impressive and well oiled sort of government I mean I guess shield in Avengers one were okay the first order where the red guys from new Star Wars right well I remember okay do the equivalent of their setbacks yeah first order did pretty pretty swimming action which way was up dude yeah yeah but they had they made of a fleet of a thousand they only they only succeeded any coasts yeah but they only did that because the good guys were even more incompetent than they were that's how it works these days like they make up the intelligence by making everyone else stupid a shield wasn't tried more accurate that like as a whole maybe it's incompetent but there's the people in the government that are very competent like captain keys like maybe just some of the people around him are stupid I don't know well so the problem is I would agree with you but then an episode eight when they find out that Mackey killed all the people on the Gladius keys who was in that room decides you know what I'm not gonna like get her out of here or earlier in the episode when the communications are down before communications are down that's an uncanny coincidence I don't want to take that risk oh yeah the military bases communications just went off should we be concerned now about the government now I in our base especially when she comes in so frustrating so much like happens like news is given and conversations I had in the fucking room with the artifacts like can you please step outside close the door and then have your conversation the fact that they have no cameras in there like in her room for the interrogation which even though they know the fact that Parangosky let him do the interrogation when she's observed that he's being a little bit unhinged and not following orders like I don't know that the military is on the show and all of the people who were in a hyper incompetent everybody nobody when they zapper in the seed they just flash over what she was zapped as a kid and it's just like they don't trust you as an audience they really don't they don't remember she doesn't like being taste thank you I I don't know humanity it's like shut the I hate you like you're a horrible horrible person yes they tased you they don't need to destroy everything by touching the fucking artifact either and also you're trying to you're part of an alliance that seeks to end all human life like I I don't I don't care if you suffer really it's just not really one of my pressing concerns well I guess it's like this is sure I think it's making a point cause like it's it's not yeah the show does the whole like humans bad thing and I'm like this is Halo what do you mean humans bad here well so actually rags I like disagree I think that the problem with this show if anything is that it believes that humanity is exceptional I think this is a show that definitely has human exceptionalism is like a theme and I'm I know that this is contentious I don't like that as a theme in science fiction stories personally I think that when you have a bunch of aliens including like the elites if you have social structures that they can organize that effectively like the covenant humans being compassionate like humans having qualities that allow us to cooperate together it's not it's not going to be unique to us the elites are going to have the same thing that we have you know well this because the show seems to simultaneously then say that humans are bad and great but in such certainly contrasted ways that almost seem incidental and not supposed to be like like we have good and we have bad but the goods worth fighting for you don't get that message you it's more of maybe it's just maybe I'm confused by the incompetence of how they frame everything well I think that's that's the thing right the writers haven't thought it through enough I don't think they've thought through enough I think they've done the surface level of humanities awesome we have been an aspect of ourselves it's really cool and worth protecting it's like that's fine um but when you actually explicitly say like the we're special um that humanity is special there's something in humanity that's special it's like right what do you mean by that in a world where there are elites and I guess the problem is it's like in this universe we don't know enough about the Covenant to know these things but in the games like the elites have similar qualities I suppose that's part of the issue isn't it because when you say humans are special in the world like Halo you're like compared to the Covenant then who else you're talking about well well well it's in the games it was kind of just like Spartans are special because they represent the best of humanity was it's at least the most efficient but they're created through like they're created through questionable means I actually like the whole UNSC government drama kind of angle that the show was going for I don't like the way it was executed but I feel like it would be good to plant the seeds of like oh yeah UNSC and only in the Spartan programs were not as ethical as you know you might imagine and those questions start to kind of like you know they drip those around and so it's like okay the audience might start to question why master chief is the way he is and why he's so like brutal and just this perfect killer and I feel like that's it's a very important aspect of his character but again it seems like it's not be the main focus of the whole fucking show I think that master chief's childhood is practically irrelevant entirely in the games it it is but the fact that he had one is important everyone had one yeah what do you mean what do I mean is that is that like how does how does a kid go from being in this program to being like the guy in the armor well that's only something you know if you're like told it it's not necessarily intuitive at all like if if they would have never explored his childhood and just essentially held firm to the idea that master chief is a really good soldier then I don't think that necessarily you'd have to at all explain that this is some kind of a military program about children and things of that nature you could if you want to but I almost feel like that's taking time away from something that could be much more interesting well I would I think it should have been built up slowly over time because it's it's the whole reason why the Spartans exist and that's probably something that should be explored in the show just not the huge major focus and chat someone I think someone mentioned like well they can interact with forerunner stuff so they're special right so I think to be clear like a specialness that stems from I guess circumstance versus a specialness that is like intrinsic in the cosmos feel like those are two different things so like for instance humans are special and they can interact with forerunner tech that's just because they're forerunners though like it doesn't it doesn't say anything about them innately like what they are as a species what they represent the qualities in them that are like admirable or anything like that it's just a certain what accidentally skip randomly into the sex scene I was like that oh no no no no no you can't do that um yeah play the shit I guess some so much to be a bit clear find it to be kind of shallow to just sort of have the character say like yeah humanity is special like more so special than any other people in in in this universe bringing things all aliens have an inherently human qualities not necessarily oh not necessarily elites seem to the elites and humans get along in halo well well the covenant are the main people to compare against and it seems like that's what you'd be saying. So I don't want to draw to the games the point that I was making is that I think if you present the covenant as a very complex social structure where people where groups cooperate essentially if we were to look at humans on earth what is it that makes humans special compared to other animals it would be that we are able to organize into incredibly complex social structures that enable us to achieve goals that are beyond what individuals can do that's essentially like what our special thing is have also achieved that is it not fair to assume that the covenant also have those traits in them so that when you say like what humanity is special because we are compassionate it's like do you think that the Covenant are incapable of compassion towards each other like do they do they have no qualities like a level of benevolent even though they're obviously evil and antagonistic towards humanity what are the qualities that they have in and of themselves within the Covenant monos and poppers and that sort of thing especially brothers and arms and that's got to be a big part of their culture we've talked about it before but when sci-fi usually gives humans the a unique trait compared to all of more advanced alien societies they'll often appeal to like humans don't give up and that's usually framed from the fact that we're on the lowest end of the spectrum for technology or abilities like we're behind all the cool sci-fi alien people and yet we'll we'll still we have that resolve in the spirit which doesn't necessarily denote that we are intrinsically special but it's nice to hear and I imagine that's part of what's frustrating about this show is that they didn't really expand on what their thesis is related to that because I wanted to add to the like what do I if there's something to draw the this shows perspective on humanity I'd be like I think it's trying to say Halsey represents the worst of humanity the Spartans represent how cold humanity can get and then the almost changed Spartans are like the hope that humanity represents the compassion and warmth that we are and then how that's almost represented entirely within McKee is a character being torn between how shitty humanity is but also how great humanity can be and I just like I just don't think they had anything meaningful to say they just threw a bunch of components in and went humanity question mark my friend was killed on the dumpstoop planet exactly about to give him that's Halsey did nothing nothing wrong absolutely nothing the show doesn't agree with you it has nothing interesting to say about that because unfortunately the show is wrong and in so many ways well the thing is with Halsey is you're right like Halsey Halsey is um definitely she is presented as the perspective on humanity that is incorrect which is the idea that like controlling human evolution strips away like the aspects of humanity that are special and worth preserving which that's obviously it's a situation that's worth having for sure the show has an opinion on it though which is that she's wrong well it's her view I think yeah that we need to transcend what we are whereas that what they portray is the correct view of we need to stay as we are because what we are as good as it is well her view on humanity makes no sense to me because she's like she's so obsessed with elevating humanity but she seems to think that the way to do that is to erase humanity out of people and and so well what is that you want especially those inhibitors right that's a show's creation and it's so tying into the whole like like right yeah and I get the thing is is like that's all fine to do as well but again when you because now I'm just thinking like if the covenant have a religion they have a religion that they're trying to pursue like a goal of some sort of idea of like permanent ongoing bliss and I want to work together to achieve that how do you arrive at that point as like a civilization without having certain attributes of like human beings like compassion or the desire to achieve long-term goals or ambition or hope you know what I mean like you come the covenant as they are and then dismiss them as being like that they have none of the attributes that humanity would also have because of course we see that in the games when Arbiter finds out that the whole religion is a lion and the covenant fractures because of everything that's going on with like the destruction of the elite I mean you even have like when the when the the hierarchs get killed um like the elites I feel like dogs have compassion are we actually going to compare like the elites to dogs the elites ascension well it's funny because they are they act like humans in a lot of ways but then they'll do like battle roars and like weird stuff like when they're fighting like raw humans in a lot of ways yes to be fair then that would just bolster Fringy's point because if I said humans especially because we have compassion and someone could say well dogs have compassion why are you saying like the humans like you've got to do better than that and I think the show doesn't put any effort into it but on the flip side of the coin the other problem is we don't know the covenant at all in the show really at all we don't know anything about you never learn really anything about them you know what's great about the halo games is the way that the covenant is revealed um like and kind of that thing I was talking about about how fast you draw back the curtain if you go chronologically I reach was the last game budgie made but it's it's the first chronologically and I find it that they made a great choice by going back to none of the Covenant speak in English except for the grunts because that's funny and they get a pass um but the elites in reach and C.E. didn't talk in English I mean in combat evolved they took Johnson's lines and reversed them and fucked with them but uh and then in Halo 2 they start talking in English and then in Halo 3 you know the elites and the humans and the UNSE they start working together so it's they find out that they do have some they go from like this mysterious alien race that's really threatening and imposing to hey this character Arbiter is kind of similar to this character Master Chief and then over the course of time they find out they do have some similarities and they're they're able to work together and I feel like the way the Covenant were yeah the way they were presented was just it's pretty much flawless and I just wanted more of that like honestly when when I look at high charity and I just think to myself dude there's only like three scenes in the main Covenant fucking area before it's taken over by the word in this yeah well I'm talking about in Halo 2 yeah in Halo 2 you barely see high charity in cutscenes and I feel like that's like like I would want to see way more of that in the show yeah it's it's a ripe opportunity and yeah I mean I like Halo 2 what we get in Halo 2 through the perspective Arbiter is the character who goes on an arc in that game not chief like his arc is essentially realizing that like his whole life is built on a lie that he's been a tool of the profits to achieve the ends that they once that actually contrary to his own and then sort of basically gaining a level of independence of his own thought and making choices about what he values now it feels a little awkward when you have that be the arc of a character in the game and then in the show you present it as like well no like what we have as humans is special to us when of anything like the whole point of Arbiter is that it's kind of like the same it's the same things they have a different social structure they find some common ground yeah they find some common ground that they can become friends and like connect with and I kind of don't see that ever happening in this show because of the point that it's trying to make the point that it's trying to make is so geocentric it's so about humans that there's human and is why it formed what they believe in and what individuals within the Covenant think and whether they should have been much change they should have been introduced as like a lethal alien force that we know nothing about and like I said slowly draw back the curtain which is again why I think showing the profits in the second episode was a huge mistake and even Maki and trying to like build up some kind of hierarchy because we need to establish first that this is a major alien threat that's what you need to establish first we need to have various battles and scenes and UNSC and people being like what the fuck who are these aliens what do we do blah blah blah blah and then again draw back the curtain a little bit at a time maybe at the start of season two we start seeing what the Covenant society is like and you know it's kind of like have you guys seen Attack on Titan yeah no you're not okay well I won't I won't spoil anything but it takes a long time to learn the origins of the Titans and that makes them mysterious and interesting for a very long time basically for three three seasons or so and I feel like it's a similar concept of like you don't just play your hand right out the gate you don't just have Master Chief take his helmet off in the first episode and you don't just show the profits in the second yeah take your time you got the whole season ahead of you and multiple seasons already confirmed can go slower there are multiple seasons confirmed there's already season two got greenlit before the first one came out I wonder if they would have made that decision if they wait and it's been with our guy not exactly around I was going to say can we talk about that is because we we kind of started with Master Chiefs the character the did he have an arc in this show of this is because arc is realized his arc is humanity his arc is to become progressively more detached from the character he's based on well it's really it's really flawed right because it's established in the beginning that this is going to be a a soulless soldier like kind of brainless who discovers his humanity and then by the end of it he loses it all yeah so because I was going to say I'm not sure of Ackman is fully aware of how this episode goes but like right they got to stop all of the things from happening for the bad guys and there's just this this climax moment where we need to get the artifacts off the planet and back into human hands but we also need to get the Spartans out of here because they're all currently disabled for different reasons and all the Covenant are closing in so Cortana says to chief you got to choose either the artifacts get him out of here or save your team you can't do both and then he's like yeah but you can do both and what he's referring to is that if she controls his body fully you'll be able to she'll be so good that she can do both of those things um yeah and before we get into the mechanics of of that I was just going to say like that that that happens and by the end of the episode he's uh controlled by Cortana and doesn't speak and just does everything efficiently yep it's the only cool scene in all of the show by the way no I'm just shooting people everybody up that was very silly I mean it was silly it was silly I will grant you that but it was the only bit where I was like yeah finally what I liked about maybe five seconds and I was done I don't know why they didn't have to do that the whole time that was the big problem yeah yeah that's yeah like finally and then what I did appreciate about the finale is that it was like a sigh of relief because it finally was willing to let itself have some fun and inject yeah yeah I mean like oh thankfully where was this halo from the beginning so I didn't want that's just I didn't like it at all people they they no come on I agree rags it's full of fucking problems but like I just appreciated that it took itself a little less seriously and injected some jokes you know where like Cortana has that bit about spaghettifying the crew like that actually kind of worked for me because I like that it was like I wanted to work but I was too shocked I was like you kidding me there's a chance that we could all die and she didn't tell anybody but she didn't want to worry them that doesn't make any fucking sense at all you have to tell them you're right Moller I know I I understand what you're saying but I couldn't have fun cause too distracted by all the stupid I was just like why the fuck would this be the way that it works I think the thing is I think a lot of people are saying it's like a big fan service moment but to me I I feel like it's it's about a shallow as the fan service can get it doesn't even like we have them running around getting into fights with like Brutes and then we play a bit of the music was like the only time that I really play like any halo music in the show but there's no real cool leveraging of like any covenant vehicles or like the fuel rod cannon it's it's all like plasma pistols ARs and a needle our spot and chooses to use a needle when he's to begin and the majority the fight he's using a needle it's like where are your weapons mate you had you had the choice of all of them why did you have a needle oh yeah come to death man don't wait to use this needly why do they only play the halo theme like three or four times throughout the entire show because should have played blow me away breaking Benjamin the whole way first man yeah well the thing is is the soundtrack in this show is a lot more mass effect than it was halo which is of course you can do that if you want but it's a little bit awkward when you have arguably one of the well I would say definitely one of the best like overall soundtracks for like any video game series and then you just never leverage it at all except yeah the music is you sorry go ahead I thought they couldn't use the soundtrack because what my understanding with it was but then the halo theme does show up you're saying you've got the impression that wouldn't allow to just because the fact you weren't hearing it like and they kept changing because the the composers have some sort of lawsuit going on with I think that lawsuit or something like that I forget that that's with bungee that's not with Microsoft owns all of that so they can use whatever music they want I would imagine there's no issue they just didn't want to just I'm curious to a degree Marty O'Donnel has no they'll ship over his work the lawsuit with Marty was all about that he wasn't paid for for work okay destiny was the destiny music was also for the with Microsoft with the halo soundtracks I oh it wasn't I think I don't quote me on that I but I I'm pretty sure he he was basically suing because he kind of got screwed out of some money from Microsoft to I well because what I remember with the lawsuit was I think it had to do with stocks that he had in like bungee that was that was a bungee wrong termination I think was part of it and then there was a stuff in the music spheres I don't know how much that because they have the theme and they have arrangements that they use and like infinite that are rearrangements of the old I'm pretty sure they own it all they could have used if they wanted to they just didn't want to that's just crazy yeah people went crazy over that moment though where they they bait the it's almost like the track isn't used meaningfully as a a form of accentuating storytelling it's just like it is a reference as a key jangle yeah cause it would be an apt one usually they play like the halo theme for like the warthog run the end of halo one and halo three but this isn't a warthog run this is just a fight scene where he's fighting a bunch of brutes and just swinging around and then really makes you conclude Spartans so much better that it's like almost unfair to the to the Covenant which didn't you didn't get that impression doesn't really because like you know at the end when it's just like you know what what are you guys going to do for Spartans in a hunkered down area with Covenant coming for you and it's like well they're going to win right so this is the way they portray how good they are it's not like the Spartans the Spartans don't work for their success it's one of those we're just going to stand here and not care if we're getting shot because we've got plot armor and we're just going to shoot them all and there is no sense of superior tactics intelligent maneuvering in a battle there's no sense of any of that it's just they're just better because the plot says they're better what the show you know I lost what the show is a lost is the bigger picture I think so the bigger picture of this conflict is humanity is losing the Covenant outnumber humanity they have better ships they're beating humans Spartans as individuals the most competent like people in in terms of battle they're better than all of those and they work with the military because they always work with the military you always have like Marines with you on missions they're part of the military apparatus and Spartans are really effective but they can't win the war on their own really like it's it's got to be people working together they're not superheroes you know like they're part of the military they're super strong and they're really competent and they can achieve a lot of incredible things on their own like chief does a lot of amazing things on his own but it's not like this where it's like yeah don't send Marines to back us up we can do it on our own oh that was so stupid you know we'll go on our own and we can do these crazy fights up close well fighting all of these as far as I can tell this this mission is incredibly important and they're just like we'll get it done how and how and Goski says this is our first incursion it's a covenant control territory and he's like no you'll lose 10,000 Marines send silver team we can do it it's like I don't see how you and Marines wouldn't help exactly um they never say what ends up saving the day let's be honest it's a fucking Pelican that's what saves the day it is the Pelican which Cortana could have brought in to help much earlier in the battle but I'm suggesting I think anyone with that Pelican probably could have done like a normal pilot it seems that she's just firing at the general you know army well yeah the pelican kills like hundreds of them imagine two pelicans or maybe I made I made a video on the subject a long time ago it was uh is halo still a military sci-fi uh I remember that video yeah and that video was all about kind of like the demilitarization of halo where in five and an infinite and now in the TV show there's like this bizarre separation with the Spartans and the Marines because the first three games and reach you know the Marines take part in the story I mean even the whole reveal of the flood it happens to the Marines it's the human army yeah and and it adds character and life and charm and humor and uh a semblance of uh relatability and people for you to care about people that chief cares about in a chain of command well it's because I'll don't say that chain of command words this shit doesn't give a fuck about you know captain captain keys is important because he like you know you see all those people on the bridge and their pilots and or whatever and then they land on the ring and then you got to go you know scrounge up an effective resistance and the show just seems to like even newer halos just seems to kind of want to distance itself from the military aspect and the Marines which I've never really understood I think I think it's some you know how like a lot of people said high life five was like power ranges with like them jumping around with that crazy jetpacks and everything some I think it's like inadvertent I think it's just some like a because I like I said I replayed reach yesterday reaches like hyper military oriented every mission is presented through the lens of like this is a military operation and a lot of the the cinematography is through satellite imagery cameras mounted to like vehicles and the helmets it's like a very military oriented thing where you've got the Spartans working with command working with the military of doing coordinate like evacuations working with different branches of the military to conduct their missions so like when they go into space to put the the the supercarrier to like block the supercarrier with the um like they're working they're working with different factions in the military trying to think about the allocation of resources as well like we have limited resources we have limited things that we can achieve we need to be strategic in what we do it's very clear that the Spartans are part of the military like it's it's all it's a team effort like chief does a lot of great things on his own but it's not just chief I mean we've been seeing the Halo 3 it's like a coalition you have humanity and like the elites working together to stop the Covenant it's people working together um but like I think it it highlights a a greater point in fiction where I think we can all agree um we like it when characters that are supposed to be smart make smart plans right yep Game of Thrones Season 8 is prime example of that right it's just it's just characters should if you're planning a battle strategy I like knowing what the plan is I want to understand the logic behind it like knowing what the fuck is happening yeah and it's it's funny how the games with a hell of a lot less time because I only have like one hour of cut scenes per game have enough time to be like oh the the fleet that took reach was way larger than this one it's like well that's narratively because they didn't know that they were going to Earth that was an accent because they're looking for the arc and then it explains is playing as as it is and why it's not like complete overwhelming loss and I guess it's probably something worth highlighting mentioned earlier the Covenant are such a non-factor in this show that you would think that they're not that threatening at all when in the games they are an existential threat to humanity that is looming constantly like reach has an overwhelming sense of dread throughout the holding us like it's scary things are going to happen it's it's very scary that the Covenant are on reach it is very important that we stop when you blow up the supercarous like oh yes we did it we we stopped them and then slip space were up should detected slip space where oh my God it's like the whole Covenant fleet it's over we're done it's finished and then the last half of that campaign is like desperately trying to achieve your objectives while the plane is exactly way we got a we got a run it's we're running for our lives so that we could find another day it was a moment that I forgot but in the mission this is after the Covenant you've been separated from like noble for a while you go to the planet you you help civilians try to escape you get on a Falcon and as you're moving past you're just watching as like Marines with civilians by them are just getting demolished by they're left but it's everything's falling apart like the military can only do so much in such an overwhelming situation people get left behind people die and you can't save them it's like all of these things are the mistakes of this universe which is that this is a big like the Covenant are scary the Flutter even scarier it's incredibly overwhelming odds against you but if you watch the show you would get the impression that the Covenant aren't that scary at all the kind of strange yeah like everything that you would think about them that I think the show expects you to believe relies on you knowing what the games are absolutely intense I think the show does a really bad job of establishing in its own story the nature of the Covenant how scary they are and the threat that they pose think about really says you remember they send to collect that first artifact in episode one it's like how many even elites are there is like five and then a mostly other thing like what I'm getting out here is just like wow you know you'd expect them to send all kinds of shit that are really threatening and yeah yeah why not it's one of two pieces that important yeah it's that important to the Covenant they will send a fleet they will show up at split slip space they will kill anything that moves they will take it and yet apparently they just spent yeah they sent a dozen elites and that was apparently in their minds enough we'll think about it the elites were there for long enough to dig out this excavation site enough to get access to the artifact they've probably been on Madrigal for a while where are the where's the where's the cruiser where are and also even after you fight them on Madrigal as they're no concern on your part that Madrigal might be glassed you know like you've got the artifacts maybe they'll be digging around for it but you're not concerned with me leave all they do leave that's the thing magic you have the initial fight on Madrigal and then after that it's just they it's no one cares no the UNSC don't show up to collect the elite bodies and a technology that the locals don't go back really the Covenant I guess they don't care anymore even though they found a human inhabited planet I guess they just don't care better things to do when it's just it stops well it's just they exist only when we need them to exist for the sake of conflict but then otherwise they're just a non-factor because we got to focus on the insurgency subsplot with Kwan and we got to spend all these episodes exploring the humanity of Master Chief while he's walking around and like reach city it's just we are we are poorly allocating our time to things that we need to establish and if there's one thing that the show needs to establish it is what are the stakes of this conflict there's a threat yeah because here's another example Master Chief says we got to use this to stop the Covenant in this war and I'd be like you'd be forgiven for forgetting there's a war at all I'm glad you brought that up because they assume that Halo is like some sort of weapon we know it's a weapon because of the games but there's nothing in the show to tell us that it would be a weapon we brought that up a couple times this assumption that Halo is a weapon yeah or that it's meaningful in any way whatsoever like that's they don't know what the keystone is they don't know that it will guide them and remember the only reason they figure out what Halo means is because when Ky removed her like implant she was speaking the Covenant language around Miranda and then she's like oh think of asking you people who've interacted with Covenant for a long time that was awful oh yeah so fucking awful yeah let's see okay yeah just for anybody who isn't picking up the pieces there they crack Sangheely translations because the Spartans are just like by the way we've picked up some words for Sangheely by the way just yeah just by the way they just you know them and then they help them out and they're like oh sacred ring Halo and then they play the Halo music it's like god damn you people it's like if they'd never brought it up we'd never have any issue in the in a sense of like wait translation well why wouldn't you just start at record everything from their suits from all the things that are heard from all the the interactions you've ever had with all of Covenant and try and match it with things that point now or commanding other people to do and you have a huge cross-section linguists working on this all the time why would you rely on one curious scientist and someone a bunch of Sponsors being like pretty sure is Apple it's like really okay well there were no other not only are there no other scientists in there are no scientists in the base except for Maranda two scientists like humans have oh there is Maranda there is there is her assistant buddy who only exists to die so that holds a good escape don't forget another famous scene yeah he has one other trait dude that's a whole thing in this show is that bizarre fucking like so on lady all right well cuz yeah when he tries to sexually molest the clone really fucking weird it's so weird I don't understand what they were doing yeah that was I think that was fun they had this one like little scientist guy who they wanted to make needlessly creepy with that kissing scene and they have this little brief exchange of dialogue before that kiss where it's like will it hurt and he's like oh yes like in a really sort of creepy way where he's holding the syringe like he kind of relishes the fact that this is going to be painful and it just like comes out of nowhere and then he glens into the kiss and I feel like that creepiness was only done so in the finale a Spartan when he dies that guy was absolute like yeah he wouldn't mind as the audience because we're like well he was creepy right I think and that guy's death I think the audience was meant to go yeah they killed the creepy dude I didn't get that vibe I was just like I don't know how I feel like that it it feels like the other reason what's that sorry as I was just I was too busy being angry that guy of course took our fucking helmet off yeah because yeah to understand what's happening there Halsey's in big trouble she's trying to escape reach and Kai like runs on jumps on the ship gets inside and then takes off her helmet and turns her back on the creepy scientist guy it's a yellow Halsey Spartans everybody the creepy scientist guy hits her in the head with like I don't know like a baseball bat and then she kills him and she's distracted for long enough that Halsey gets to an escape pod and gets away and this is yeah she gets away ultimately in the whole show and it's like man Kai why'd you take your helmet off like I see that face we got to see the face otherwise they can't emot it's not like in the video games Master Chief emotes through body language like leaning in or no putting a hand on a marine shoulder or nodding even what little dialogue he has yeah it's not like when he finds Cortana in high charity infested with the flood and then he kneels down and he's like resting his hand on the pad and like leaning in that that tells me something about him you know that he's like happy he's warm he's he's happy and Cortana I'm thinking that's not too subtle too subtle yeah like it's really subtle when Chief is like when they arrive on the Ark and then he gets a sniper and he just throws a nod to the ODST or like when he looks over when they are when they're they're doing their like call back to the silent cartographer to make sure that the other spot like the other soldiers are okay before it jumps out it's not like Chief emotes constantly in the video games through just suddenly they would be able to pick all that up that's true it's not you see that's lame video game compromises that you need to have your characters and moat through animation not like in television where you have to see their face off the helmet every five fucking minutes and grimace at the screen not like you can have them convey their emotions through their words and through tone of voice either that's not possible wild stuff imagine reading the script so if you were this guy the creepypivot science man who gets killed yeah number your inclusion in this season you should be like okay I think what's weird about the pervy stuff is that it literally leads to nothing at all it's no I think the audience not like John has it it's as simple as that they did that scene so that we don't feel bad when they kill him right because they they wanted a scene where the Spartan does something really dangerous to like the human side of the war you know like just like one of the staff right like just because you you see like the just what it is they're capable of like that that that danger that were just unleashed on somebody who is like oh he's creepy it's fine you know they are they're capable of a lot like surviving plane crashes oh yes like I know when the plane goes down and it explodes and she's okay do they had no shame with that one they just have a climb out of like an inferno and it's like oh yeah well because they had it with in episode five when John Halo piloted a Banshee right into a phantom and it caused a massive explosion it even took down Kai's shields but she's okay because she can just survive being in the middle of an explosion I guess but meanwhile later in episode nine when Riz gets a plasma pistol that blows her armor off so plasma pistol is apparently more powerful than a whole plane exploding with you in it I guess yeah power levels and stakes are virtually non-existent in this show which is ironic considering in the games one of the benefit one of the good things that Halo does is it very quickly teaches you how to recognize what threats are and how to deal with them this is a this is a this it can do that to me so I need to do this that's a that it can do this to me so I know how to deal with it I know about what I can do over here it's like this video game balance aspect that's absent from the games entirely dies several times over in the scene yeah he does dude it's Kai's shields like and it doesn't kill him really the power of weapons and stuff is really inconsistent throughout the show because like right off the bat when the the plasma blasts take out those like kids in the forest like you really get a sense that it's impactful right like one girl is like a vaporized from the waist up with like one shot yeah then like massive ball of hot plasma just went through you and it's like it's as if you weren't even there because it's alien weapons yeah actually I like that beat at the start I did too in a later episode the first 10 minutes of the entire show it just goes away they front-loaded all of that violence into the like the first 10 minutes of the show and then it's gone forever you never see it again sorry right what sorry let me just finish this but what I'm comparing it to in I'm comparing it in my head to an episode 5 where you see Spartan getting pelted by the same plasma bolts but they're not even moving or reacting to it so it's like okay I get it that it's hitting their shields so is there some kind of like zero point energy thing where it's absorbing all the kinetic energy and they don't have to like flinch when they're getting hit but then no that's not the case because there's shots after that where they're getting pelted by plasma fire and then they're kind of reacting to it like like bouncing around and it's just like figure out what the measure of yeah force of these plasma blasts are and be consistent with it like it's tell me the show is inconsistent well we have another example it's asking too much sorry sorry when she fist fighting Vanneke and Riz he shoots some pistol shots at Vanneke and then later on Kotana says two shots take down the shields it's like okay so I guess they don't recharge and also six pistol shots will take down a Spartan shield but flying into an explosion with a banshee through a phantom won't do it yeah what are the power like they have to recharge they cannot not recharge that doesn't make sense I recharge I'm not appealing to the game right now I'm just saying like the reality of this this outfit like what are you telling me the shields are like are they on batteries and they run out once you've shot them enough and you have to replace them it's like we see it we see it recharge in episode one it actually recharges Chief Shield goes down and recharges because they wanted to have the sound effect from the game but they don't care to be consistent but they don't care about the mechanical implications of that sound oh you've got the scene where Chief without his armor basically manages to hold his own against two fully armored Spartans pretty retarded yeah it's insane does the armor do nothing like what the hell how could Chief with this fight well he also had Cortana helping him tactically right she looked down to that guy over there because when she activates the car we were like okay that's something but then she just like doesn't help bridges I feel bad I feel bad Jen Tyler I feel like she got brought in she advises to strike another Spartan in a very specific area because she's calculated like she's like hacked she's accessed the other Spartans armor system and figured out where the like weak point is if she can't walk it down if she can access it yeah that's a problem but unfortunately I'm not saying it's well done I'm just saying like that's an element thrown in where Cortana is giving him advice to like how to speaking get through the situation go ahead speaking of Cortana a lot of people say hey she's like in the games she's not I don't even know why people are saying that now that's that's one thing but also like I don't really understand Cortana in this show I don't know what she wants I don't really know what her goals are and I don't know how it informs the decisions that she makes like if we can all the time if I for people who haven't seen the show she correct me if I'm wrong who holds the show she was created to eventually take over Chief's body make the ultimate Spartan right yes that is the purpose I create yeah show well I think that's what Halsey wanted but Cortana kind of she's like her own agent that's part of the way yeah that's what I'm saying that's what she was created to do and she eventually decides she doesn't want to but then funnily enough ends up doing exactly that by the end yes yeah he does do that in the end I guess it's just like she's in the show but she doesn't really you don't get the impression that she's actually like curious about anything or wanting to actively participate in things keeping on what's going on talk to Chief and get to know him like she says she wants to she doesn't seem to have any goals at all she exists only when she is needed by the plot and that's really lame since this is like a dynamic that's incredibly useful narratively and I was thinking about this the other day you've got the scene up where you know she basically makes the choice to take control wouldn't have been interesting hold on I wrote this down let me remember because I remember I was thinking yeah like wouldn't it have been interesting if chief because after Mac he's dead he's the only one that he knows of who can interact with for runner artifacts imagine if he's like now I'm going to kill myself nobody can use these I'm going to I'm going to kill myself like because they're overrun they're going to die anyway so or like he doesn't want to be captured so he'll make sure that he kills himself and then Cortana makes the choice to take over against his wishes to save his life and to retrieve the artifacts wouldn't that be an interesting source of conflict that you just kind of didn't use certainly better because as it stands I've talked to a couple people about this including of course when me and free and rise washed it this is a little bit confusing this scene like it seems at first the it's something she can just switch on whenever she wants but then like it almost feels implied that he needs to be dead before she can do it yeah because his armor shuts down and he flat what I want to know is is is she controlling his actual corpse or she's just controlling the suit he has to be alive right but he must be alive but exact no that's a great point Mahler right because they established that in sound design right they have like a POV shot in the helmet or something and you hear like that beep beep beep so you assume that okay he's a corpse now and that's why Cortana can go in and take over a hundred percent doesn't make sense I don't know how he's going to come back from that believe it because of course they have to bring him back they can't leave the guy dead they have well they have to bring him back too but also like mechanically you're in his brain like if he's dead what can you do he's dead he has no circulation he has no blood flow you're in his brain you were linked to his brain if he's dead you're dead right maybe she's doing it manually to keep him semi-alive until maybe season two I don't know why you were dead I don't know why he would need to be killed gentlemen it's it's been a pleasure I do have to get going oh dear well do you have any final final thought that you want to add like if there's anything that you wanted to throw in before you head off about the show hmm well despite all the crap we've talked I feel like there are some aspects that are good if not alright and I think a lot of the art style on certain pieces of like like chief's armor looks really good to me I think some of the some of the warthogs and like the marine outfits I feel like the costume designers did a pretty good good job yeah overall and I think there's there's definitely an art style to the show even if some parts of it are like really weird but yeah I think it you know we get wrapped up in like the negative critiques and just kind of go down that rabbit hole but sometimes it's nice to find good things to say about something that we really really don't like overall we do there were things I liked about it too yeah yeah um no I I could see that that's actually pretty common these days I find that um it's the writing that's the problem everything else is lots to complement it's like yeah that old chest people working really hard from the production standpoint in terms of the yeah the props and stuff like the props are really cool and I like that the covenant look like the covenant that's so much so much of it is in the fucking writing it's like frustrating when they don't pay close enough attention to that you know or they just get amateurs to do it like yeah yeah it all hinges on the writing yeah but yeah it's been a pleasure thank you guys for having me on thanks for going on yeah thank you so much for coming um do you want to tell all the people in the audience where they can where they can find you and why they should subscribe yeah you can subscribe to the act man for all kinds of awesome content do all sorts of video game reviews commentary critiques that sort of thing so just look it up if you care to check it out if you've enjoyed his commentary on halo he's got plenty more on his channel oh yes I have it right right too much haha well yeah yeah like I said link is in the description for anybody looking for that and thank you so much for joining us especially for three whole hours that is actually oh yeah for a yeah a lot of people so I appreciate it and and yeah of course have a good night and we'll catch you around sometime all right good talk to act man yeah I'll add you guys on discord if you want to chat in the future or just miss cool shit vice versa I know I'm in all right peace see a lot of dirt yeah later that that finale scene that I just remembered remember part where it's like the profit commands that because McKee is dead that they can't kill chief because they need him and then the brute proceeds to kill him like yeah just man haha I forgot about that yeah and yeah and even the profits like what are you doing and I'm just like why are you why are you portraying them this way speaking of what are you doing um Kai or Vannick they're right there kill him they're the profits isn't the leaders of the whole covered it kill him they're right there what they do in having the fucking profits floating right above them someone said to chat the British atrox it's like yes definitely that's what they're trying to set up they're trying to set up a big beef with atrox and like facing I that annoys me actually it's like yes we at 343 must have our atriox dude not Arbiter or the ship master or or um time damn it let's in two hello to Tartarus that's right Tartarus yeah we can't have any of those guys it's got to be atriox our our OC character our original character character right the new big bad brute well yeah he is the new big bad brute even though he wasn't even in halo infinite right it was just flashbacks oh yeah I guess he isn't in like any game like present day gameplay man just to highlight people though because I got a good shot of it the demon lives says the profits that are floating literally like seven meters above the Spartans wow yeah like man one and this is the thing Cortana could literally have just killed them both one shot each yes Cortana had no reason not to be able to dude she could have single-handedly ended the whole like exactly like I I I unless this is halo wars mode where the profits have little shields that can tank a shit ton but that they have their little shields but chief can fight them and then jump on and punch them in the neck totally well they didn't address any of it they they just want them there for commentary and they couldn't figure where to put them this this is I don't know they're here shut up all right and how lame is it when you think about because this is something that's absent in the show that so you may have noticed we've made a lot of comparisons to the games a lot of the reason why that's happening is not to say that like the show is worse because it is different from the games a lot of it is to highlight how there was material in the games it was really useful that was ignored one of them being all three of the profits they're ironic and like that's in their personalities truth is a liar and a very good liar his very scheming like manipulative person regret well he certainly regrets what happened to him like when he was on the ring and got turned into flood and mercy who gets put out of his misery by chief not truth when he gets infected by the flood they all have very distinctive personalities that come through in their scenes but here like they're all I wouldn't fault anybody if they didn't know what their names were and which one was whom they're very obvious in the game I was about to say I don't know which is which yeah I'm pretty sure that the main one in this show was I think the main one in the show is mercy not truth whereas like truth is the ultimate antagonist of Halo essentially but you wouldn't know it in this show so it's kind of hilarious you had more time than the games had the games only had a few hours of cut scenes and you achieved a hell of a lot less with the main antagonist series how insane is that your professional writers Joe state and was not a professional writer he was a video game developer and he did a better job yeah hell of a little better job they they all did that's the reason why it's so annoying is like a group of like video game developers none of them with professional writing credits had a much better understanding what they needed to do to create a good story I mean earlier we were talking about how like Halo one would awesome I really like because this is going to sound like a stupid comparison I know but like the I think of Halo one and two in some ways I compare them to like the first two Godfather movies where it's like the first one it was like focused like there are a lot of characters in the first one but like Michael Corleone kind of frames that whole movie but then in the second Godfather you have this juxt to position between and was this named veto Corleone in the 1900s 1910s or whatever and those two stories told back and forth they kind of inform one another dynamically as you watch the movie and they serve to both paint a broader picture of what it means to be in the case of the Godfather like what it means to be an American what it means to be an immigrant like America's this everyone was in this kind of lawless mess in the early 1900s and that eventually evolved into this society that developed into the 1950s it was much more complicated and yet the introduction of the Ricoh laws that took down the mob but anyway I'm just saying like the halo games kind of did that sort of thing where like the the first halo game is like really focused on chief and the the covenant are just like the bad guys basically in that in that game but then halo too suddenly really flashes them out into their own thing where they have their own societal structure they have their elite class who named them they give themselves quickly right yeah and what that it's it's so fucking pisses me off right because these these television showrunners I assume they didn't incorporate Arbiter in because they felt like oh nobody's gonna connect with an alien that might that might have been one of the reasons I think that's their main thought process we got to have that's why it's so human human human human everything's about human there's just no alien anything yeah and yeah and her inclusion when it's like have they not seen guardians come on yeah like at this point I would hope that we can get I mean dude 2004 on original Xbox graphics you created a character who is a hell of a lot more endearing than anybody in this show it's not the it's all about the writing it's who these characters are like that's that's the important part um yeah it's just it and you're right like Halo 2 blew the doors open on the Covenant um like Halo 2 was a really essential piece it's the reason why you can have Halo 3 come back to just like Chief's POV without feeling like you've usually lost anything in terms of the Covenant perspective because you've got it now yeah I think all you think about when you think about the games is all of these amazing opportunities that like it's it's basically the story of that guy's life where it starts at the funeral then he signs up to be an ODST jumps into battle um and then it ends with him as like a captain and then we follow that and then it's like moves on to the perspective of another new younger ODST like that's two minutes worth of just taking the premise of Halo um like using the premise to tell a story in this world and in two minutes in two minutes they achieve like an advertisement than they did in this show like in terms of well the the whole reach Halo 3 is particularly Halo 3 it really for a game that was a that was for a bunch of dude bro gamers right it really strongly leaned into the emotional aspect of Halo as like a world a living world full of people and characters who are recounting the like the Halo 3 ads about soldiers who are old now recounting the events in a documentary style of the things that happened in Halo 3 yep it's it's the little touches cause like in that ODST trailer one of the things in that that I adore it's like you didn't have to do it but you didn't just add so much is that I'm the captain he has like a a torn up like it's a really worn out ODST like flag that he laid across the grave and then he like grabs it and tucks it back in underneath his armor it's a thing that he carries around just die they can at least have that dignity it's like holy shit that's called character writing um yeah and he'd even need to say anything and then it's the same would like deliver hope that's a really great ad as well it's an ad but it's telling a story and it's like dude they had less money they had less time to be a part of this world and this whole show is entirely built to tell a story and yet this is what we got well yeah because think about all of the potential stories that you could have told you could have had it be like about the ODSTs you know you could have had the show be about ODSTs on like a mission they get stranded and they have to try and survive rescue civilians you can have a B split POV where you have like a Marine or an ODST you have somebody in the military command maybe like Lord hood or something or keys or like you can have Sergeant Johnson be a POV character and a weird omission in this show Sergeant Johnson I don't know why he's not in this show it's like one of the most whatever yeah he's arguably the best character I was going to say you can't whatever that people are going to want us to definitely mentioned that no big time like I I don't understand why you would take arguably the most important character aside from Chief Cortana and an arbiter and not have him in it weird choice I don't understand why he's not in it are they brought in keys well they brought in keys and they brought in Miranda keys but they didn't bring in Sergeant Johnson who's well they they brought them in Ray swap them which is fine but it it clearly seems like they really wanted to make very diverse story which is fine but then they didn't have Johnson who is arguably the best character in all halo and he's a black guy just seems odd to me strategically you know I that's your goal I suspect go ahead sorry not for it go for it I suspect that the reason for that is that they don't want to blow their wad completely with this first season and they want to have like those headlines that are coming gonna come out before season two comes out where it's like we've secured the cast member for this role Sergeant Johnson or whatever and now the Arbiter we got Keith David to do the voice for it right like they need you might be some they can't like shove everything into season one and leave nothing for season two to act as a hope I mean it seems so backwards it's like the Marvel thing instead of giving us something to be excited about they're saying no no no you will be excited about a thing that will happen maybe instead of giving us that thing to actually care about yeah I can already see that now like one of the later ads for season two will involve like this struggling in some fight and then they're like the sergeants here and then like a door opens and it's whoever's playing a cigarette is going yeah yeah totally I don't really get where they go from having Master Chief you know they're going to bring it back from that your shit yeah like man you kill him at the end of season one wow like I don't know I think the show might actually not have him come back because they think he's completely disappointed no no I think I think more said and I agree with them I think we'll be back at the end of episode one of season two I don't think they're going to fully commit to that because we got to have the actors face we got it well then again they could feels weird for them to have done this whole season because the actress can still be present that's true yeah well so we need to have the actors face and I think they were deliberate in not showing us what it looks like for Cortana to make him speak what does that sound like what does it look like we leave that because yeah because they can they can figure out exactly what they want to do I assume it would just sound like him well it's it's going to be strange just because of the fact that it's not going to I say this is if I'm a fan of him as a character or something but like it's going to be her speaking through him so it should like come across as much different if they were treating this seriously like just the things he chooses to say or how he says certain things and how he inflect certain things like it should all be like coated with Cortana the thing is I don't know either of them that well enough to even spot necessary differences but I just don't think that they would commit to this she's more quirky than he is and fun I would assume that instead that they will bring him back and just work again I think that that's more important and that this will be a moment for them to have proven that she can trust him and he can trust her sort of thing which yeah I don't know why they put him in in his head I feel like there's a lot less and having him in his head then having her on a chip put into computers and stuff that right that's all it needed to be was a chip that goes into the helmet I don't understand the fucking brain injection thing and I don't understand why a clone had to be sacrificed to create that AI either again. No, that's that's that a very well could be the case that it's because that's how Cortana was created in the games as she's based on Halsey's cloned mine no no sorry that there's the show's opinion is not mine oh yeah I get you but but to touch the reason why they don't have him on a her on a chip is because he takes his helmet off all the time so wouldn't work and they wanted to have Cortana constantly be physically seen they they really don't even justify that though like you just blew my mind that that totally makes sense to me because like yeah like they have the character take his helmet off so much but they don't want to restrict Cortana to just which is parts where his helmet is on because it doesn't happen often enough what that makes so much sense but it sucks but it makes so much sense but it makes so much sense but it sucks but it makes so much but it makes so much sense but it's but it's but it's do so such a waste right like she barely gets speak she barely has a role in the story at all which again I know it's an adaptation I guess it's just an interesting choice to have essentially the due to Raganus of the whole series be like a non character like she's so unimportant but she comes off as annoying a lot of the time which I didn't want to feel that way you know it's so reminded me of Alexa and self parking you know that new episodes where it's in the future yeah she's she's definitely not the same because in the game she's sarcastic she's right she's um yeah she's got a whole personality not here she's confident and very confident and and a bit sassy that's like Cortana the weapon she's a little like Halsey in a way well that's kind of the point writers like she's a bit like Halsey because she is partly Halsey but I mean I don't I don't and I guess that's the thing is if she's based on your cloned brain why is she so different from you yeah I don't get it yeah her going rogue doesn't there's nothing to that in the content like in terms of just us seeing that's a potential some freak occurrence I suppose and the transferance of like a human consciousness transferring to a digital form is it I guess the way they deliver it to us is so wishy washy that just anything could have happened and we'd be like okay yeah right that's kind of like the show anything can happen that's okay it's you just got to accept man like I'm just thinking now as I was scrolling through my notes the keystone what the hell does it even do what is it you know like accesses childhood memories do you mean whatever it means an axe an unlocked memories it provides a map it emits EMPs and also myths a now you've got to up define a convenient shock wave to blow away yeah you know you'll just see a little blast people around sometimes it won't sometimes we're like electronics sometimes it won't here's something really funny to think about what if that's just what it was going to do anyway and they didn't know and then when they were doing the ceremony it's like yes touch the keystone and then she touches it and all the the elites get flung off the cliff yeah just dude and that finale scene was so funny like when McKee right they get blown away but not to such a degree that they get blown off the platform but all the elites get blown off like though the hundreds of aliens that came in to like attack this part they'll get blown off so it was like the screen rider taking a like a brush and dust pan and going okay we don't need you anymore like they're in go away please need you to be gone for a little bit go away was that McKee's intention I I I don't remember because she's watching master chief get beaten up and she's like I can't take this anymore but like as if to say I'm going to help you or something I I don't how would she know that was what it does I don't this is what I'm saying visual storytelling you're making this weird for me to try and understand what's happening because it looks to me like she desperately has to decide in that moment do I pit choose to help John do I choose to help humanity and then she does making her death tragic quote what it would do if she touched it I don't I don't think so I guess I don't know why she would but fortunately and I guess a good thing as well that the brute didn't just kill chief like immediately oh yeah there's a lot of right now like yeah I'm going to get to chief one but I am before chief can next pillars because the other thing as well maybe you can help me on this because I remember was talking about it and I was still kind of confused it's only works for those too but if Cortana takes over Halo Taylor's body what is it like what is it like all those moms yeah sorry because Halo on the cover because it gets on the Halo Halo's my favorite character Halo is a great character it makes it so that it doesn't activate the thing if if she's controlling them right yeah for whatever reason when Cortana is essentially the consciousness in charge it doesn't work now that's interesting to think about when it is a protein in their DNA that makes that interact with artifact you think it would be an immutable aspect protein but apparently it's like I don't know the four now that this leads us comfortably into an interesting some yeah because the other thing I wanted to add to that was then that he's able to to activate with gloves on right he is and so he does that the games too that's not that's not that well I don't care right like like why would it distinguish between whether or not he's being controlled by a person when it doesn't distinguish like fabrics and stuff like so could he's touch it with a stick and that would you know I have no idea I just want to the suit we're integrated with him biologically I guess I could accept it but I just don't know how the mechanics work at all the fact that it like detects your soul or something as to who is in control currently like I don't know that seems a bit weird it's that that shift from the for runner in like and this is a comparison to the games but in the games you always got the sense that the for runners were not magicians they weren't magical they just had a highly advanced technology and in this show it really does seem like it it really is just sort of magic well I mean that's that's the reason why I was thinking about this next part is because it's some feels like another example of making changes without realizing what you've done so like in the games again would do the comparison of what it was in the games the for runners didn't like really before 343 came along the for runners never like intended for anybody to be like using the halos and stuff after the fact that's just kind of like just it just it's just a consequence humans are still around so they can but they didn't like leave them there with like the purpose of humans coming along to mess with it because the halos don't really have their purposes a weapon of last resort there's not there's nothing magical or important religiously about them they are weapons they are tools so people being able to interact with them is when a machine is left around it it still works if it's got power and a key then it will work it's a machine what I understand about the halo installations is that they were created by the for runners for the purpose of studying the flood so the flood was a pre-existing life form the halos are used as a way of containing them and studying them but then as a last resort if the flood that the halo halo installations would also serve that function of doing a the blast or whatever it does to eliminate all life to eliminate their food source that's right yeah so that that's that's essentially what it is it's kind of the whole idea is that for as mysterious and interesting as the for runners come across to humanity and the Covenant they died they died fighting flood they couldn't beat them there's nothing there's nothing grand about it it's tragic in a sense if the show has it to where there are individuals who have a protein in them or like some connection to for runner stuff that leads them and guides them apparently to do things like to to lead to a certain place why why why would that be the case why would the for run this is the problem is we don't have the answer now but if the show is going to pull from the games that the flood that hail is a weapon to kill or sentient life and it was to kill the flood you will need to have a reason for why the for runners would have people who are essentially selected to be able to interact with these things and to one end why that's it why why would you want to have a reason because it seems kind of intuitive as it's presented so far well what I'm saying is like why would the for runners want anybody to be guided to halo like why would they want that um right goal that they would have if if the for runners succeeded in their mission that's the end there is no more further purpose for the rings um so why would you leave behind anything that would be like clues to lead people there and guide them through like these subtle things and teleport their minds to the ring why would you do that um yeah and this this this might be a problem that lies with the initial development of the game story the TV show because it was designed to be a game first and foremost right and like Joe Staten self-describes himself as the story duct tape guy who just kind of figures out a story that kind of tapes all the different game systems together they developed to make a fun first-person shooter and then you have this television series crew coming along saying we're going to make a serious thing out of this let's okay a real serious thing that's that's power of adaptation though they can they can clean it all up they have the source and they can be like right wherever you failed and especially in relation to having to cause mechanics gameplay to happen we can change it we have the benefit of being able to see how you managed to dry write all your story and if there's like well-known within the fan base like these couple of holes or things that don't quite add up you as a writer can be like we can we can tweak all of them well before we put ourselves in a corner instead they have like spat on the source to the point of not even knowing which way they're facing anymore like who knows where the show is actually trying to go it's insane to think about that with a video game you have to write a story around missions the missions exist and they are structured in a certain way and you have to craft the story for those missions to work in a show you don't have to worry about missions you don't need action scenes every episode you can do whatever you want and yeah you've you've come across I just do not understand like how any of this is meant to be leading that makes sense I can't I can't make sense of it because it would seem that like the keystones are essentially the force they like guide people to places they need to be but I don't know how that would explain why you know like they do with the plot demands yeah I know you mean you're right well it's just it's just because it draws us back to if the keystones guide it's like they guide chiefs family to settle on a riddeness to in that location they guide the program to happen there because that planet was uninhabited what if they'd settled like elsewhere what if they'd settled even a couple of kilometers in a different direction did a guide holds it to abduct chief put him in the Spartan program to guide him to do the mission on Madrigal and to what end would it do all of these things who is doing this and if there is a who who is guiding all of this why would they not just reveal themselves like unless we're doing some crazy mysterious forerunner but I don't believe they'll do that I bet you they will do exactly what the games did they go to Halo and they find out that's a weapon and if that's the case it's like I don't understand why would you why would it guide why would it guide people to their self-destruction the weapons were a last resort they're not an awesome thing that you would want people to have access to especially if you believe after you've done it that nobody will be able to use these things anymore the people who were capable of using these things would be wiped out I don't understand how it can work yeah that guy dug a well where a portal was instead of where it was just dirt I would be as far as she saves the universe by the time we hit like season three if there is one we might because there's probably going to be some connection with her to like the four runners as well and it's not going to make any I mean I would have had faith in the original game developers to go somewhere with it but I have no faith in these television co-runners to do that you know yes something I would say is I find it to be a less interesting idea again like grand science fiction prophecies versus the cold reality that for as impressive as the four runners were they couldn't beat the flood and this killed them I think that's a really stark reality of this situation like the universe I like that magical it's it's scary there's a lot of scary things out there and so like it establishes pretty clearly if the four runners couldn't beat them what chance does humanity have well Master Chief is going to do his best to save him through these crazy plans and then he has to account this to happen because he's got his own objectives I just I just prefer it I think that it's more interesting than what they had here it's like you've taken something that was cool and you made it much more simple yeah I don't I don't know what the show is doing with halo like the installation well there's multiple installations there's like seven of them they're all controlled by the central point which is the art right yeah and hasn't referenced at all the flood or it's only ever shown halo in those weird flashbacks or I don't know they're not flashbacks but like visions I guess where it's him shared visions not it yeah there they are shared visions where it transports your consciousness to like some place else because other people can be a part of it yeah as the real I feel like they're they're doing some Adam and Eve sort of thing where like master chief and mckay are on this halo and they're meant to just go forth and multiply or something and like populate halo that seems to be the implication to me of like yeah I don't know what their the point of the visions is trying to get them to do I worry yeah it might be as simple as the show just feel like isn't this romantic all these two men for each other how tragic that they can't be with each other it's like it's like it's like it's like the same coin you see that voice robbed of that childhood whatever side thereon you see yeah because I know what I'm robbed of my childhood whenever I see another person who's robbed of their childhood I I just I really just have an uncontrollable urge to fuck them with your with your on-board AI watching why did I know yeah I get harder when people watch yeah why would they have this Cortana watching for what they think because she can't not watch she can't turn herself off like has there been this too but like a show that's most of its marketing is done by people just going this this this this and everyone else going no no that didn't happen you're like I did they wouldn't do that that's a joke you're you're that's a lie you're lying to me yeah I I feel like you've just raised it again but I feel like it has to be stressed so the reason why Mackie so what happens is thereon aridness to when she touches the artifact like reveals a location of the artifact I guess beams into Mackie's head I don't know what that would mean does she have an intuition of where he is in all of space on a planet and it's how does that information how how can that information be imparted into a human in a way that they can understand and if so why the same way that humans just magically can know the covenant language if they need to for the plot but well yeah and then and then the the the covenant come in they get the artifact but then they want to do a switch just like ah she had her as a captive like to try and drop her off so she can get informational access to the second keystone that's their plan and it works bafflingly but the reason why ironically it makes the covenant seems super competent because they have to know that the unse is that incompetent it will work yeah in a sense I would argue that they both retarded right like why would the covenant ever think that would work I was making like a joke out of the the absurdity of it no because there is a validity and say that to anticipate that the unse would actually engage on this level but it never made a sense like nobody would ever assume anything like that I think we talked about when the episode came up we were talking about how if enemy prisoner was just landed in front of you had been there since they were a kid it's like yeah but they're human it's like so yeah who has lived with the covenant for years and you think that they're not a spy that they why would she be dropped off why is she still alive why wouldn't they have killed her why would you ever trust her with anything least of all after a couple of days of her being in your custody why do you have no cameras in a room you know like why cameras in a room no cameras in the room nothing's recorded the fact that humans particularly stupid plan is it's outright bizarre because you're just screaming at these characters the entire time at how dumb they are and how none of this makes any sense yeah because there was to be fair none of them would have been able to the foresee all those tentacle monsters that she brings out of nowhere that are completely unstoppable and then they don't show up again never showed up oh yeah when she walks down the hallway they all have their guns here there's those tentacle monsters who sort of put them on that puts their why didn't they put some soldiers on the pod they sent over they're like we're sending over some guys because if they did that it would have been over why they know cameras inside the pod that could have detected all that why would you let her get on on her own not a fan of Maki at all not a surprise but I the fact that we went with they actually just seem to think she's a nerd slash to be trusted immediately as opposed to all of them just despise automatically and don't trust it at all but in reality because we know because we're the audience that she's actually like kind of torn between the Covenant and humanity and that this was in in one way an escape plan finally to engage with because she believed the Covenant might actually allow this to happen and then she could be like um you know trying to actually gain the humans trust and try and give them information that could be helpful but never get in there and then maybe one person like chief could actually understand it to some degree but still not fuck her or give a great access to all kinds of technology or whatever else like it's just that this is a story you could try and write from this but instead like they don't even find a stupid finger laser thing like how how well remember there's a part where um when chief decides to go and activate the keystone she's about to like flat out execute like one of the are she pushed over one of the UNSC people and she brought out a little laser sword if he hadn't touched that artifact five seconds if he touched like five 10 seconds later she would have killed them or they would have spotted that she would have been compromised and that would have been the end unfortunately chief was there to bail her out through sheer coincidence this show is awful guys it hangs together on put the laser sword out on a dog she did fortunately no one was looking pulls it out all the dogs can sense evil I'm telling at the end she pulls it out of her finger I'm going to remember this in yeah dog box oh yeah that's right the dog knew she was an evil bitch that's going to destroy the world oh yeah why isn't it just cold new Alexandria why is it cold reached it reached it why would you when you live earth city yeah I feel like they the the UNSC should have found that little finger sword thing in their initial capture of her and like I feel like they would have done an x-ray on her or something because she's an alien yeah because this whole situation is super fucked and stupid yeah they wouldn't have taken any like leave no stone on turn sort of thing who's really like let's make sure she's not hiding anything he's walking her around at one point in like episode eight is it and we we're just baffled that he's allowed to do this around the city yeah yeah yeah right and even power and goss is like they're like walking around in the park this is insane and then later on when he's like hey let her touch the artifact yeah he's like wait they're going to let you they're going to let me use it and he says they trust me and I trust you it's like so they don't trust you you try to you you are erratic but you feel crazy you try to kill Halsey um you you are doing a lot of things that like they don't trust you anymore and I don't know why she trusts her either it's like oh she's being honest with me it's like why would why why why believe that she's being honest with you you just determine this this is what I mean like she's so simpy she's chief's history of being like a really good interrogator which is what they say in the show he's a really good interrogator it's like what just because he removed the chip from his back that's gone isn't is intuition and capacity to understand like whether or not she's lying or not is gone wrong for me I think the show perspective is that he's correct she was to be trusted until humanity ruined it yeah yeah but I think that is what the show thinks that that he was because the show has a perspective on everything all contorts to the whims of the writers yeah going back to that like I wish I could have attended that meeting between three for three and the show runners right where it's just like three for three would have been like okay here's our lore here's the story that we've established and yeah here you go and then the show runners like yeah we're not doing any of that I want to see that particular composition where they're like so we we found about the sex scene we'd appreciate that you don't you don't really do that with chief and then they're like no we're doing it yeah because I saw someone say that like three for three we're opposed to that civically let me let me see if I can find it I I not only find it like I'm using but they probably would have had a logic of like we need to have a sex scene at least one the people who like the show can't relate to a sex scene oh wow that's that's the idea I think they only throw the one in to be like look this could be you someday wow no they'll that'll never be then it's wish fulfillment right that is strange though in terms of a like they really wanted to make a covenant but a human so that she could have sex with master chief or this version of master chief like it's it really it's really strange fanfic that somehow got millions of dollars thrown at it dude Das was a chat earlier saying that he'd only heard the rumors he hadn't seen any of the context so he thought the master chief fucked like an elite or something I would have preferred that I want master chief in our beer to have some bro sex this is the custom on saying Helios I promise the totally that would have been great one of the small things I appreciated about the the finale was that they revealed that they were in fact using her like they didn't care about her at all like that the at the in the pilot episode where they introduce her like in that white room and they seem to like be treating her with all this like prestige and stuff it's like why is there a fucking human among their ranks like we just saw the covenant try to execute all humans mercilessly like where we get the feeling that the aliens hate the humans they're trying to exterminate them but there's just one human among them that's like hey I'm just hanging out here right because this weird to think about it's like she has information they want to make use of and they want to use their ability to touch the stuff and make stuff happen so they treat her really well it's like well they could have just had her in slave mode where they were threatened to torture her if she doesn't do exactly as they say which seems great point yeah seems like it would be more in line with what we discover about them and that's what everyone was panicking about all over the fucking internet when they found out like a high ranking member of the Covenant was a human it was like Jesus Christ what have you done this like by the end of the show they're like no no no no they hear they do hear they do they do I swear it's like all right still seems that it's just weird all things strange great point why go to the extra lengths of treating her like a queen almost when they could just keep her in a cell or whatever I couldn't remember who brought it up earlier but surely would be a horrible sign to the Covenant forces if ever they saw that like with what they believe in yeah it just contradicts the religion because the whole idea is it's conspiracy in the games nobody actually knows the proof so it's a lot easier to hide it and you don't need a specific individuals like you just be any human to get them to do that for you yeah it just becomes a lot easier to conceal it then it does in the show because in the show it brings the whole religion it's a question like what the why are all the blessed once humans why why is are the human you know why isn't are the Covenant why isn't or yeah it's right how she's she's so I know why would you let her go out on the you know like threatening missions yeah that was done that's insanely stupid with how important you know she is and how it's like one in 500 million or so is the person you need that you just go on and it's it's insane it is it is absolutely insane crazy everyone in the show is an idiot crazy to know that they did all of that because all those contradictions and contrivances it's all to make the romance plot that is actually pathetic it's so short too yeah listen I'm saying like there's nothing between those two what do they love about each other they don't know anything about each other exactly they've they're blind no but he he brought her the book remember it bring her the book because she reads books both brain and wash that's that that leads directly into the sex scene that's the catalyst for that is the bringing the fucking book into the room I just as I was scrolling through my notes I remember I had a whole page on how the battle in episode five makes no sense at all man it's like oh I remember there was a part there was a there was a scene when the Spartans they were explaining their backstory and how that's like kill their pets and Vanix says something along the lines of yeah Spartans studied wolf packs we stick together and look out for one another yet when he wants to save Kai that's like off mission and not allowed and they don't care yeah kind of interesting yeah don't learn anything about any anything really we see no we don't well you see here as a white maybe it might be a good idea to actually like move hip to the to the excavation site rather then drive the car through enemy line to get to the ship on the bridge you know like man make a lot of logistical cringe in this fight I mean it's and also it's like show is logistical cringe and here's the thing anything happen is on a number of different levels yeah well we see the ship's getting blown up is it safer to get it to the ship really might be better to just leave it in the site and defend the site as best you can because well then she's all over the place with what we know I think that's the first question and just destroy everything and it's like well you find out maybe it's because the fact they want to plant McKee you're like okay you can do that while also destroying the command center and taking out their leaders on this planet that's true because they are shockingly able to kill like an entire like human um they take down a frigate yeah they take down a frigate with what we are led to believe is only banshees which is impressive I think we have to assume that the carrier did it because she's had the capacity to do that I don't know I guess the show runner they don't know that because they we don't know because of the show right we don't know that because of the show man like I don't know why it's pretty funny that the Spartans choose to run alongside the guys like faring the artifact instead of taking multiple multiple Warthogs you know like if the Spartans were in the Warthog a different Warthog they could help them out but instead they're just running around the Marines just get wiped off the Warthog on the all the Spartans get onto it isn't that what happens anyway that's what happens yeah so I guess it was just so that we could see one of them get killed with the needler and then see a hijacking because that's in the games true it would be cool to see the Marines do anything just like competent like yeah I mean yeah it's it's become very clear that that's just not a focus for this whole season the Marines are barely people they're barely in it there's like the show relies on them not being present in the one place that it should be just brimming full with Marines they just never around that's the only battle with the Covenant that has Marines the first one is just the Spartans and the last one is just the Spartans that's it there's only three fights with the Covenant there are more fights with humans and there are with other more yeah I think there are more fights with humans and there are with the Covenant because Marines can fight the Covenant like they they can have guns they could do things they could fight enemies the the Covenant are not some invincible force on the ground well humans can fight against them isn't it a funny little contradiction in this show that like humans are utterly worthless on the ground when fighting the Covenant yet the Covenant aren't that big of a threat in the world like seemingly with how the world responds to them ain't that interesting kind of just bad writing really isn't it oh and then you have like the part when they when he jumps off to try and save Kai and he jumps onto a Banshee that's flying past it's like was a minute a second earlier or lady you would have just fallen off the cliff and crashed into the ground yeah that's pretty funny and then of course flying it directly into the Phantom really you're dead it's over like you're done I don't believe you survived that and between those two things he like jumps on the Banshee and he pulls out his pistol and he shoots a few rounds into it but there's no bullet holes there's no sparks it's like it's just it's just pretty bad it's just pulling out his gun and shooting because it looks cool like it doesn't look about it looks really bad looks really also by the way they're right she said there's not much go past episode one you're you're wrong that's a lot of gore in this show a lot persistent I just showed what he explodes from the need there's a big red piss cloud well that was like I left out loud at that it does the only two things I like really remember I well I guess you don't you don't remember an episode like I guess that yeah is also like when cheap crashes the phantom the jackals are like split in half their guts trailing out from there and some vomit one of them vomit or something like does it I I yeah there's a lot of gore in this show I was actually surprised when you said there was and it's like dude if there's anything out of it just stuck with me in my mind right yeah it's not really out of it I can't think of it myself to be fair all I'll say is it might in frequency it might be higher than ragstall but like man is it like there's so much there's so many condensed there's so much so many stretches of not gore if you know what I mean yeah right that might be why it's just so much the action scenes there's so few of them yeah yeah well and I'm okay with there being like few action scenes that's okay if there was a tradeoff of a story telling and other scenes but there isn't so this is all I want is them to fight that there was a persistent feeling while watching the show where are the aliens I want to see aliens when I want to see chief fight aliens where are they the the entire reason they don't get the artifact back is a banshee just happens to fall on them to them and not so that's not even like a deliberate like kamikaze right that's just the banshee just falls on them I think it was getting shot and then it crashed into them yeah it's a fucking crash that's lame look at that you suck how unlucky because they would have had the they were right next to where they wanted to be would have been good of Cortana hit the breaks since she has remote access to any vehicle that she needs dude this this this bottom should be able to react fast enough to do that like to see the thing they were right there and the only reason this happened is so that a tree ox or whatever could grab it and then we lose it yeah we need a act low point kind of even though it's so bad in regard to the neglect of the aliens overall in this show there was one scene that felt like or no one shot that felt like such a middle finger like we haven't even talked about venture and how fucking and one-dimensional terrible bad yeah talk about one at all yeah of course we haven't talked about oh let me you're right we've just like totally skipped over her entire existence in this show thanks let me just button up this shot that I'm getting at though where there's a low-angle shot there's a there's a elites corpse in the foreground venture venture is smoking a cigar and he stops and he looks down it's like those the aliens huh hmm ugly boss that's and then that's a shot and then he takes a puff and he walks away and it's it's as if to say like oh there's that more interesting enemy than I am but whatever here you go audience here's me and my humans and we're all one-dimensional cardboard fucking villains like it abuses me because like when you said venture I was like is that the black guy or is that the evil guy or is the because I can't remember the fucking names is the evil British I'm so glad because yeah I also wrote that whole action scene oh my god yeah like we need to talk about this action scene so essentially what happens is Quan she goes to the mystics off to she abandoned Soren who to light out like rides into a desert cloud just meets the desert this she what the fuck she wants to go back to Madrigal to like do the the to have the insurgency to to continue the revolution and Soren takes her there in exchange for money he gets neither hit not he gets no money his ship gets just like impounded and and seized and despite that he still doesn't capture the bounty on her he decides yeah we're going to get the offworld we're going to go back to the rubble and she zaps him and then leaves him there in the desert and then she goes off on her own adventure and then she finds the desert mystics who then give her all that for on a flashback stuff and then she's told to go back to her it began now that can mean a lot of things but she assumes correctly that it means go back to you know her outpost where she'd live and so she goes back to her outpost and she's walking around and then like Soren shows up there Kwan I'm I'm I'm I'm going to take you back to the rubble now fortunately he showed up then because a few minutes later Vinces men showed up so dumb had he turned up a day later or even an hour later Kwan would have been killed so and also one even tell both of them should have been dead no matter what with this well they should have been but it's just let's just lay it out they like like did Kwan even tell Soren like where she'd lived like did she did he know that information he tracked because she has this revolver and that's not even something that's in the show but let's just pretend that's what it was there you go and then you have look at all of Vinces men there's like 50 of them and there's no way they can win this it's like like if I could get a shot of it because like I I kept repeating when we watched it because I couldn't fucking believe it but this is like the most video game seen ever they're in this like our characters are just like sort of discussing and figuring out what they're doing then we just sort of realized oh we're in an arena with lots of cover in different places resources in different places and an overall goal of blowing up like a tanker thing but to get there we're going to have to put ourselves at risk at rounds literal rounds of enemies it's like you know you have a selection of the worst format of the enemies first and you can take out most of them but then you know as it gradually goes on your health buzz getting lower I was just like what is this this is so stupid it's like splinter cell slash call of duty sequence has a kind of arena wave combat you know where they come in waves he's doing the thing I know how many games of you guys played where like a bad guy locks you in an area and then commentates like the arena shooting you're doing is just like oh you're still surviving are you take that like you're my I think the latest one might be heisenberg from um Resident Evil Village do you remember he's like commentating you running through the were wolf like underground pit thing that he's it's that it's that shit I was like what is this cartoon shit just kill them no we've got to have so to have the big action scene was so the big the big thing that you all need to understand is there's like a hydrogen runs through like this um this this big pipe in the middle that's like the water extraction thing and Kwan says we can have the hydrogen through there and then if we like shoot it it'll blow up the whole place and we can hide in a little vaults seems like a big design oversight you can hydrogen tank and blow up the whole place but whatever not just the whole place the whole place extending in an area up to space alright is like a chain reaction it's there's a space elevator tube thing that leads to space and you can shoot it with a bullet in the entire thing from top to bottom were lead to believe explodes in a catastrophic fireball that rains shrapnel and mechanical parts from the heavens yeah they forget about very quickly remember when I hide in the vault which has a bunch of open windows slats in it with a fireball to cook them alive anyway the whole wall we'll get to that so every every single note I've written for this sequence begins with good thing with reference to how fortunate the circumstances are for Quan and Soren like good thing Soren found a bunch of money in the control room otherwise he would have like gone home empty handed that's awesome that there was so much deteriorate money there in the in that room for him and then when Vinces men shoot into the control room man good thing none of them like throw a grenade in there otherwise you guys be dead huh yep um it's also a really good thing that even though you guys are stuck in that room Vinces forces just like slowly fan out and go through tight corridors instead of staying out in wide open spaces to keep track track single units most like get killed one at a time formation good thing and they never communicated via radio like man if they were even marginally competent these guys be dead be over they'd be finished um I mean like damn good like as if just walking through it's like damn it's so good that you're all coming through slowly so that Soren can just kill look at that look at this didn't even this looks so choreographed and I know how that sounds but bear with me because one is he throwing knife sim and seemingly the plan is to just go up to him and finish him off like okay but then it's like nope there's another guy to the right that he couldn't possibly have seen is now counting for and there's another guy to the left that's now just spawned but he's going to use the gun from the guy on the right to kill like shoot the guy on the left and hit him it's like how did you know that all this was going to happen what why are they running at you why is he running towards you you have a gun stay far away and shoot him be so cool it takes out all three of them he does and there's lots of is accuracy is very inconsistent in this show all while all that's happening quanz she's in the underground tunnel that leads up to the the pipe and so she she gets out of the underground tunnel it's like man lucky no one saw you leave even though the doorway was soaked in some light like if you opened up and there was someone in front of you they would have just killed you cool there's one no one on the the three you didn't pick up any of the the vectors when he no oh yes he forgot to pick up their guns yes he has a revolver that's good enough not like those guns could be useful well the thing is one leaves the underground tunnel even though it's in the broad daylight and then one of Vinch's men's like haha got you but fortunately for her Soren was in he could see that he he had sightlines on it and so he could save her like if he was elsewhere she would have been dead or at the very least captured it's like damn lucky like he really relies on that revolver it's so weird I like how one guy notices her and doesn't call out to like his buddies none of them call out haha that she's the target the person that we're trying to capture and kill but no fortunately he he he doesn't do that and then he Soren kills that guy awesome yeah there it is look at him so awesome look at him look I'm get honestly I've been scanning through and I'm confused as the fucking chronology of this scene but it doesn't matter anyway because I I hated the part where he just runs out into the open Soren well yeah cause Soren runs out into the open and Oh but this is you there's a part where Quan like there's a plasma grenade next to her and then she sticks into a gun and blows him up it's like man good thing you know what that is and how it works yeah which you'd be like why would she did they have a moment with that in the first episode where she saw it being used or something maybe but I mean I feel like that's it's an alien grenade like yeah you know like I guess it is good that you know how it works and then and then like yes Soren is running around in the open and um he he got shot in the neck and it doesn't kill him he's fine like I I think we thought he was dead and we were kind of nervous because he's like the only character in this show that I kind of like I consider him interesting I guess compared to the rest just because he's a bit of a mix and yeah like so there's just a level but you're right yeah the neck is not that important I would say by all by a logic like it's not like there's really important veins and air airways it's not like being shot in the hand for example where there's an instant death like the that's different is when it's in the neck to put a bandage on but then he doesn't die and then meanwhile like Vinch is doing his evil speech like where are you Kwan like show yourself but fortunately you remember an episode one when chief threw down his big yeah a battle rifle or rifle throws down his little CGI which by the way is the answer is the answer for why we got that shitty shot that everyone complaining about exactly yeah we're going back and truck which he through his AR even though I'm pretty sure he didn't throw it underneath the truck I'm pretty sure he threw it out the open I got kicked over there okay but I know one no it was a grunt kicked it but it's underneath the truck where Kwan had hidden but man if she'd hidden anywhere else she would have had no weapon and she wouldn't been able to win but then she strides out into the open with the AR and good thing like Vincher and none of his men shoot her while she's crawling out which totally good thing Kwan is an incredible shot like hits a small distant target with one bullet and a first shot on a weapon she's never held before that doesn't even have a scope because it links to the like man crazy Wow like yeah yeah look at how awkward she is holding this thing like good luck love like she up but then she hits it and then they run into but the massive explosion the flames go through the door like the vents the doors but it doesn't do anything but that's the end of Vincher that's that's the end of everybody she she killed them all by shooting that little tank and running in and then look at that look at that explosion it's so big is yeah pretty intense yeah so what we have here basically is a whole sequence that is entirely built on coincidence and contrivance it's insane yeah the only reason that they survive is because of this insane levels of luck well the vent was an it slowed down the fireball just enough to where like it could get through but it slowed it down enough so they're okay so weird that they have this shot where they show the fire just engulfed their rooms like why would you show us that like yeah how are you not dead not just have it be a sealed door you just you have afforded door sort of a vault with vents well presumably they thought it was more intense to show us like oh did they live did they live did they no no no wait the reason why they had vents was because that was the door that the guy tried to run that was where the kids were hiding where the guy tried to run in and then he's like help me help me and then he gets stabbed you can still just make it so that you can close the vents like as a writer you can do what you want they didn't even have to go in the same I'm saying that's what the writers wanted and then well I'm arguing that I think the writers wanted to debate whether or not they may have made it you don't know they got engulfed in flames feel I think you're exactly right Moller because they establish in dialogue from Quan that the vault is a safe zone you know once they're in there the audience can reliably be like okay they're fine once if they're in that room but then they add that shot filling it with flames it's like oh maybe they're not safe ah and then they go they got to wait for the the explosion to play out and wait for the smoke in the dust to die down and then you have that reveal shot for it's like oh they're alive because they rightfully assume everyone is just on the edge of their seats for these two characters these the these lads off hope they're okay yeah hope they make it right and what what made me laugh out loud the most about this scene definitely was that assault rifle reveal because why that shot was there in the pilot which was famously seemed out of place like I I know a lot lot of YouTube critics like criticizing the show we're like why the fuck is that shot there yeah George Lucas lightsaber moment it is an unnecessary shot but I like oh yeah exactly because what I thought it was is like here's here's the halo assault rifle remember this from the games and it's like that's the reason they included that shot that's fucking dumb but then it's like this is almost dumber because it's like one and she left the lines the original vision probably just had him tossing it and then they were like do you think people will remember that he tossed if we don't have another shot to show where it landed and someone was like this show has no faith in you yeah well just that it that depends I would say whether or not on whether the the shot in the pilot had the number one one seven etched on the assault rifle I don't I don't remember if that was I was about I was about to bring that up it seems really silly that this one gun has his his one one seven like engraved on it yeah he would just use a normal one like they have vanity guns for each soldier are you fucking he unlocked it he unlocked that he got a hundred fills with his assault rifle so we unlocked it some reason like 343 really like having the number one one seven on everything um it's really right they even put on his suit for some reason I don't know why mm-hmm I was like I'm I'm I supposed to believe that Master Chief is in the the barracks of the Armory or whatever and he's like people are offering him a assault rifle it's like no I need the one with one one seven on it like I'm super serial you guys I need my own assault rifle if I'm gonna go out into battle gotta be special it doesn't have my charm that I unlocked on it and my skin I just have my pizza skin on it it doesn't have the it's so dumb boom boom but they don't have like Chief they don't have that shot is so awful and yeah you can see one one seven on it it is oh god oh yeah I see it right look how bad that CG is you know the sure runners probably say 117 why would you have a ball on the ground there when it's underneath the truck later why would you what the hell how did it get there who put it there nobody went back to the space it's been empty the whole time you really need more explanation than this beautiful shot for any really how would you do a CGI shot that is a continuity arrow it's so awkward it is yeah so blurry like this is a rush shot they probably it's one of the last of things they probably did and they forgot to color in the the plasma pistol they forgot to color that in we haven't talked about that I just I think we've actually figured out why the shot exists now and that's cool remember guys $10 million per episode at least yeah I mean couldn't you just like have an actual prop assault rifle not possible not possible genuinely though too late because everything was wrapped up this was probably caught really late someone was like guys the audience has no idea that he dropped the gun in the first episode okay and that's a really clever thing that we've done so we need to make sure they understand that has anyone got like a cursory glancing shot at the floor that we could use and then someone could animate the gun on it it's a little animated it is an animated CGI check-offs gun and it still about how like well doesn't this just highlight that once the fight is over which that is something that happens wouldn't you be like I better go grab my gun like instead of leaving really important why leave it why not put it on his ass the alien bodies the bodies of the aliens the UNSD never goes back to retrieve there was a plasma grenade sitting there you want like insurgents just getting a plasma grenade like just you just leave them out there for people to grab what a fool they set up shut up really cool that she grabs it she uses his weapon to free himself from the chains of the evil man well that's the extra layer of dumb that gets applied on this right is that this is a desperate attempt to tie Quan's story in with Master Chief's storyline and make it seem like the whole Quan episode was relevant right it's like oh she's picking up Master Chief's rifle she's using Master Chief's rifle to shoot the thing somehow it would be funny like made fun of the CG and then the artist was like I had 20 minutes okay 20 minutes you did pretty well yeah it's something that's worth noting about the Quan story as well is does it make any sense in a world where there are aliens that is an existential threat to humanity that you would still have these kinds of smaller conflicts happening that was a tension away from that it would like no we need to be the alien showing up completely made this plotline entirely irrelevant and then it shouldn't have been there it yeah it ought to have made it irrelevant that's kind of again you guys fill in time the Quan storyline like we didn't have enough content for nine episodes in Halo so we needed to somehow in Halo yes yeah it's such a bizarre like I said there's a reason why we haven't talked about it at all cause like why would we what's the point I think I think in season 2 it would become clearer because again she is a protector proper noun and there was a little monitor coming out of that portal so she has some connection to the forerunners that's why the story exists yeah the monitor thing there you do see a monitor in this briefly it shows it comes out of a well in a vision world it probably is a portal to Halo or like a shield in the world or the Ark or something in a little hole that they dug it a well for in Madrigal when they could have dug a well anywhere else crazy nuts and that if they're using if they're using the game lore as a guide I would assume it leads to the Ark but they could go fucking any direction with it they could go anywhere I feel like it's worth information that is completely unknown to you that wouldn't even be in your subconscious like what your ancestors look like and a monitor that's magic it has to be magic memories could have been implanted into their subconscious due to some mental fuse thing yeah maybe maybe really done well you just reminded me of how when he's like gradually getting memories of Halsey being in his life she just immediately agrees so like yep that's true you got me yep I was there I was there cause it's so nice to see it's just like wow you could have just said like no or not why the fuck would I have been in your childhood why do you think you think that John and he's like what do you mean he's like well don't anything is a little convenient that the person you hang out with one of the most important people in your life but no she doesn't try that even though she's supposed to be like that kind of intelligent instead she's just like huh weird and I guess I just never told you that because I'm yeah I just didn't yeah because ha ha ha ooh this show is really good I think there there is utility in the dual main character juxtaposition kind of format of telling a story it's one that I would have gone with having master chief prominently but definitely not in this way I definitely thought this was going to take an entirely different direction I thought they were going to be side by side for the entire show she would humanize master chief while his emotions start you know come rolling back in yes exactly drops her off in an asteroid and what episode two and that's that yeah the rubble is sorry I know the rubble the space station in the asteroid oh yeah yeah yeah this this doctor who world that is so the thing this show never really feels like halo it very rarely even begins to feel as if you are in a halo universe doing halo things it's very much like doctor who then like a halo show and not I think you say that it's just like what is doctor who right now it's like I don't know what even like what is the feeling of doctor who they're going through their own whole thing well only only the finale came close for me everything else was just like like it's just like eight episodes worth of like drinking diarrhea and then all of a sudden cat turds on it and it's like oh there's something here it's still lame but like this closely resembles what I was looking for from the beginning right just like action and some jokes and and yeah but even the fight sequence in episode 5 didn't feel like halo for me because like it did for a little while but then there's that beat where chief like stomps that fucking alien yeah and I don't know how it was meant to feel after that I think they wanted the audience to be like yeah awesome but I was just kind of alarmed I was just like I don't know how I feel about this like this I don't know if this is the chief I know and love you know what I mean like it's not chief it's John halo John halo the robot yeah it's so bad well you just had the picture of the rubble there it's a space station built into an asteroid oh well oh yeah I was dying laughing at it because I'm trying to think like what is the show's opinion on this moment and it's like well they have Kai being like chief like you know you're going too far maybe but it's like what does the show think of this I'm not even now well it's unclear it's unclear whether this beat is informed as a result of the beat where chief was drastically affected by the artifact to the point where like he felt the need to try and punch Halsey in the face but like I guess there is some like residual effect from that where he's so like amped up emotionally and angry I guess we gotta see that face that he's been lied to that he's carrying that anger into his punishment of this poor elite where he stomps his head flat as everyone's pointing out yes discount iron man it's it's kind of it's kind of like distracting as fuck that they did this we're going to see this place we have to we can't have it look at that what were they checking I don't know if I understand the iron man reference what which one because the iron man with his you know when he has his is in helmet the camera in helmet screen high oh yeah yeah yeah totally it's like thudding into his face like he's trying it's so funny looking yeah I know it doesn't even make his eye just starting but it's really his head to clarify right the reason it does that with iron man is so we can see Robert Downey junior expressing himself all the time right it makes sense there's just like so is that the same reason they're doing it here and it's just like yes because they can't for a second have a sea bass achieve a dot see his face like it has to be totally this makes me you know the scene where he's in his his home his old house he's looking around they have not one but two different fucking angles inside his helmet they have the iron man one that's right on his face and they have the kind of angled one that's like you know on one side of his face kind of accentuating one eye like you had to have two cameras in his fucking helmet you didn't have the restraint to just like keep the camera out of his helmet entirely and just you're so scared of not showing his face you know because you're I guess afraid that the audience is going to lose connection with the character if he's always got his helmet on cause he's not like Master Chief Iron Man is Iron Man more than Robert Downey Jr. is a ratio than you do see this guy as Master Chief instead of John Halo yeah I think so for sure it's so bad like why would you do this it's so stupid oh god we have to see his face look at him yeah cause this was getting shit all over to her just like what the fuck is this Master Chief what do you mean is Master Chief it's weird they know that everyone loves Master Chief and they know that we don't want to see his face ever but they're insistent that we always see his face yeah this Master Chief it's we gotta see their faces otherwise how do we know how they're feeling we can't have it through dialogue and body language oh look at those chunky pieces of purple falling out of his face yeah look at that she's that elite man Yikes Yikes Chief I think I feel like this has been perceived broadly as a badass moment and I wouldn't I don't I'm not on board with that no I'm totally with you on the whole like you don't even know how to feel exactly laughing is the first step I would have to committing to emotion if you will yes definitely seeing his face in addition to what's happening yeah for sure look at this shot this is blood on the shield shit right I feel like look at this look at the blood but then you're like well wait are you what are you trying to say show yeah right yeah it's it's really unclear what the show's kind of position is here like should we be worried about Spartans that lack inhibitors because they can go nuts is that what you're saying because I don't feel like the rest of the show I was gonna say I don't feel like the rest of the show supports that really at all no I mean maybe the ambiguity of it at this point that's what they were going for but I feel like it just still wasn't executed properly I don't I don't know I don't know anyway for you let's talk about the rubble yeah so the rubble is a space station built into an asteroid our introduction to it is chief exit slip space into an asteroid belt and he has to try navigate through it it's like man feel like you should have gone around and if you can't go around and the only way that ships get in and out is by navigating an asteroid belt why would anybody if we can just clarify he gets hit several times right like he gets tagged nearly dies yeah nearly dies and he's chief like so when you have guy delivering pizza he's like oh jeez I've got all his asteroids it's like that little bike in do you remember the future armor episode where they're delivering newspapers across the universe ah yes that's right that little bike that can go into space it's that got it with pizza he flies through and then he goes to the rubble and once we're inside the rubble we get to oh he just gets to dock he's in a UNSC pelican and this is like insurgent area where they don't like the UNSC I guess nobody checks to see who's docking wouldn't you argue that the guy who controls this whole area the people he least wants to see in the fucking universe to a degree is the UNSC well yeah cause Soren ran away from the UNSC so like surely he's I don't even know if chief knows where Soren is cause if he knows how does the UNSC not know if chief knows would he have not told I guess he knew all along I guess he knew all along I'm actually going to ask you why he came here or how he knew to come here I have no idea why I don't know I have no idea was the implication that they kept in contact or something I don't know why they would have they don't like each other they don't like each other I don't even think the writers put that much thought into it they were probably just like hey they used to be friends so chief I've got an old contact on Asteroid 7 that can let us know about the yeah remember this guy everybody remember this guy let's go over I guess wait so chief would have let him go because remember like Soren had the implant he knew what it was which means he must have had the implant when he chose to take it out in escape and chief had the implant in him when he chose to let Soren go so the emotional inhibitor still allows you to allow other spots to defect bringing the implant is like the dark hold it only works as much as it needs to work pretty much at this point I love this scene hey forklift that'll stop you master chief oh no forklift stop when he pushed it back and they're like oh jeez push it to bring it up again this is the master is master is strong where is he soren shows up and he's like your chief yeah he could have just walked around soren just shows up it's like your chief and chief takes his helmet off it's like they had guns pointed at you stop take it off your helmet like keep it on why would you ever take it off how are you gonna know how he's feeling fuck we need to see his eyes like what if any of these guys decided nah just shot him in the head like no I don't like you an SC I'm gonna kill him he takes the helmet off I'm all I'm all for finding creative low-budget fun ways to like demonstrate chief's strength in a scene like in this case it's like moving the fork lift but like putting it in his way in the first place expecting that to impede him I don't know if that works you think the payoff would have been that it's set up for him to maybe push it and then he just stied steps like looks around like why would you even yeah his combat oriented brain is like it's way more efficient for me to just go around I don't have anything to prove to these people I don't have a shit yeah right it's so it's so cartoony when there's put in front of him they're like what you gonna do now he moves it they're like oh my god it's that's so stupid but in any case he sort of walks him around the rubble and they get into this little contraption it's like a little transportation device it's like a little cart thing that runs on these tracks it goes very fast goes very fast quite amusing this little thing no you it's doing that and then they're about to head to like an open door and you know what I'm not even sure how I would put this into words it might just be something that people need to see for themselves and maybe though you'll understand how disastrous it is dude can I just point out this is like Harry Potter and I felt the exact same fucking thing I got Harry Potter vibes from this you know when they take the goblins take Harry to his gringots vault and he's fucking riding down this fucking crazy thing that's like so wildly dangerous like you know how this cable car and halo it like jumps from the rail onto the cable and it hooks onto it so there's a point where it's like in freefall and I'm just like fucking dangerous I would never go on that cable car look at that look everyone look at this insanity why the fuck would you decide it this way like what is that right but Yarr you nailed it right because that's something you can pass off in the magical wizarding world of Harry Potter right where you have to you offset the incorporation of magic into the story with like ridiculous fucking danger you know like stuff you would know you would normally not do in a million years but because magic is part of the story where anything is possible they kind of balance each other out right wait are you talking about halo or harry potter I'm talking about harry potter in this sense harry potter in this context it feels like harry potter but it makes no fucking sense because this is supposed to be a grounded like sci-fi show not fucking magic if this mechanism fails once you're dead you just fully adapt it's like it's not even it's multiple points of you have these there has got to be a better way to travel around the city I'll go first this is madness not even better it's just a matter of safety the reality of this scene if they weren't so obsessed with like making sure that we entertain it every moment you would slow it would be a slow trip anyway and you'd slow down at the exit and be like you'd just hear all these noises like beep beep organizing stage one please stay clear that like an arm would come up and connect to the thing and it would be like integrity of clamp 100% please press for approval you do and then he has to call someone he's like can you please just set that we're okay to travel across the thing it's like yep, yep we can do that it'd be like a cable car where it would be slow and boring and this is the moment that you use to have characters talk to each other or something's like we're traveling to a place we need to go for the plot but we've got a moment to breathe to explain things and this crazy Harry Potter doctor who contraption where millions probably die every single day millions to everything it's just it's insane it's absolutely insane and it's not necessarily bad because it isn't this way but one of the things about Halo's universe that is so great is how believable it all is the technology of humans the buildings the all the stuff that they use the ships it's also it's so easy to believe that the real future could be like this but this is just nonsense as a source I would just be like yeah so this is just he's an idiot they're all idiots they want to die canonically they want to die like why in this era can they not design a cable car system that seamlessly transitions from a rail to like a cable without having to hop from one to the other and freefall that's so fucking dangerous I'd be like is there another method of transportation I can take like I wouldn't I would never get on that no way you kind of assume as well that they are there's an atmosphere that they've developed a false one but they end up like just traveling in this little car out into space at one point you're just like this car does not feel like it's space ready but I guess it is alright this car there are no straps and seats that you like put yourself down into it's not like a roller coaster ride where you have to put the clamps down lock it in place there's no safety belt you're just standing inside of this metal box as it accelerates and decelerates and flies through space and everyone's just standing around inside of it like this is normal and what if it mouth what if it malfunctions and misses the cable you know that movie Life with like Ryan Gosling and yeah Ryan Gosling yeah Ryan Gosling yes you're right Ryan Reynolds the end of that movie like there's sorry I don't mean to spoil it but there's like a person that goes out into space in a capsule and they're just like screaming because they're just going out into endless space that was that would that's what it would be like if you're in that cable car and it missed you just like drift out into space and see if anything malfunctions you just like there I go I'm done that's the end of me it's like I guess I'm dead now cool yeah that's one of those very lame ways to go I suppose you get to look around for a while hopefully not everything is just you know they probably have a whole battalion of people devoted to finding them and bringing them back because of the failure rate on these things they have entire flotillas of ships dedicated to just bringing the pods back because they miss so often assuming they don't slam into an asteroid and kill everyone inside mm-hmm yeah disaster yeah this is so there is nothing this is one of those moments that makes you go wait wait this is a halo show right mm-hmm right mm-hmm no it's just they're all in a crazy wacky world this is very silly so what else do we got what happens next I think something that would be worth just I guess broadly covering is that the show explains a lot of what it means like often the lack of confidence in your ability to understand things one of the examples of this would be one of the few moments in this show room where I think when we watched it was like huh mm-hmm was when Halsey used a clone to escape I'm not sure that actually here's the thing I'm not even sure that it really functions but nevertheless it was something that was set up and reincorporated later but when she's because something establishes that the clones that they used to replace the Spartans like died eventually from like aneurysms and things and so it's kind of an aneurysm and as soon as that happens it's like ah yes clone but see the show is a little bit further behind than we were because the show is like well gotta remind people what she said a few episodes ago about how clones work because they couldn't have even had Kees go a clone or something like that that she likes for yourself you know it would be better instead of the like a direct out of universe flashback for the audience specifically instead of we get to be reminded of this right who just cuts it with the way that it already existed no flashbacks not even dialogue just when it's like you know you're trying to save your mother whatever and she's like that's not my mother like that's good enough yeah yeah but instead it's like nope you don't remember that dummy well it kind of kind of like this scene I could find it a little bit ironic that this happens directly after she comes in to like sentence her to death yeah the actors are not great it's a bit awkward I found yeah it's frustrating right because you can picture them having that discussion in the editing room you know yeah do we put the flashbacks in and someone's like we have to establish for the lowest common denominator so they will understand like the dumbest people who watch this will understand what's happening well yeah because all they had at first was hissing that's not my mom and then the guy who ordered the gun be put in into episode one he comes into the room and he's like you guys need a flashback you have to yeah no one will understand otherwise right essentially the same as when they do the flashback of like ah see Mackie she's getting tased again man human's talk it's like man the show wants us to feel bad for her oh well I guess the point that the show will just tell you everything that you need to know if you wrote me a character who's very sympathetic that I care for and don't want to see you know suffer you don't have to tell me how to feel I ought to I just do that thing I feel that thing but they really are trying to convince me to feel bad for this character that I just I enjoy her suffering you know I don't want her to be okay I hate her it's like you know most of us have seen Suicide Squad right the Suicide Squad sorry when you have blood sport like trying to chill out with the rat at the end and he's super awkward about it you just read the body language enjoy the he's come so far it's like if they just did flashbacks well that's happening to him going I fucking hate rats it'd be like the safaris come you'd be like wow yeah this show has a big characterization problem for sure like I don't believe that the Spartans have a bond like I don't think invested enough into like building that where I as an audience member can go like oh yeah these Spartans really all carry about each other I don't get that at all Catherine Halsey's character was butchered I really like that character like broadly speaking across like all you know forms of the Halo property games whatever I just like that character I like the idea of somebody who's torn between being this mother figure to a bunch of like hulking warriors there's kind of like the splinter and his ninja turtles kind of thing you know where he like he raised all these warriors from infancy and and now they're like his guardians and he kind of sends them on missions and stuff but I don't it seems like the show has decided like oh she's just bad you know like they don't embrace the ambiguity of that character I feel like Halsey I mean none of these characters really whether it's chief or anyone else there's not someone that they're kind of foiled with in any meaningful way to explore anything right it's very simplistically presented he has shoes I think they they added that she wasn't tall enough to be imposing is that oh yeah right they knocked around when they were trying to escape they didn't tie up her legs or kill her I think killing her can we point out how dumb this is but like while we're here like in this same episode remember they did a montage where they show off her feats of strength right where she's lifting up a warthog she's lifting up some other big engine or something right and then they tie her the same episode to this little fucking bench I think you need to reverse engineer it, John the whole reason they showed us all of that was to justify her breaking out here yeah you know what they're that stupid like they you know what that's we can't have it break out without showing that she's strong it's not enough that she's a spar we have to show seeds of her pulling pushing things dude you're totally right that must have been why they did that then I mean it's such a dumb approach like you're saying cause Spartan should know more than anyone else how strong they are so they need to do something crazy like disable the suit or they need to like just get a chain and just wrap it around her against a pillar like super villain style something instead of just here's some cuffs and let's do it a bit simpler than that Edward Halsey wants you to restrain her and then grab chief does she want you to grab Kai like it's that they're looking to leave her they are looking to leave so why not just kill her as she don't like a lost cause cause remember later on Vanik says our orders are to bring you in Dead or Alive which doesn't make much sense to me you need chief alive bring in to who to her specifically to Halsey Halsey yeah because that seems like it'd be really complicated to do in this location I guess the show just doesn't think about it well the show there's nobody in this base that really disappears that's the thing yeah this base is suspiciously empty when the plot needs it to needs the characters to encounter no marines or they fight in the gym whatsoever they fight in the gym and it's like man suck there was like a marine just there doing some weights or cameras noticing this do you remember how it starts they have like POV shot coming up chief to it from his left it's like he just tries to push it with his gun doing what are you doing yeah because if you point that gun right at his head it's over which they end up doing by the end of the action yeah Halsey said dead or alive so do what I want you to do right now well the thing is it doesn't even it doesn't make sense to bring because she wants Cortana to assume control so like remember because her plan is like you and chief together are going to be the best it's like but you're willing to kill him like so she would have to they'd have to kill him the body is still capable of sustaining a consciousness which doesn't make sense because if you're dead you have no consciousness you're gone yeah that's why you die your body cannot sustain your brain anymore because that's you you are a brain yes he's in a coma a coma we're going to coma ties hit him with a coma gun I developed this coma gun specifically for Spartans to put them into comas he even takes the gun off him and that remember the reason why the plan happened is because she was able to use Cortana to hack into like Mackey's room and use her entertainment system to talk to her and she's talking to her and then the dude comes in the military police guys like who the fuck are you talking to yeah then he just walks out that's such a not seen it's so funny because in retrospect it's like what was the point of having that scene I am concerned enough to the guard is concerned enough to leave his post to come inside ask her specifically who are you talking to he looks around for six and a half seconds and then without another word she leaves and goes back outside Skyrim guard style I guess it was just the wind the conversation resumed and he never comes back yeah what I thought of was a guard from Metal Gear Solid where they come in it's like what was that noise and then they run they do a little like alert patrol and then they go back to their default routine where it's just like nothing ever happens very video game very video gamey and then it's it's just so funny because Halsey's like hey Mackie convince chief who hates me right now to get to get the other keystone to bring it to me you can convince him and then she says no it's like dude even if she said yes why do you think she did this for you he hates you he tried to melt you he tried to earn you into a puddle dude what do you think and this is all assuming that you can just maneuver through the base like what does it mean to take the keystone isn't it under guard aren't there like marines everywhere you're playing it's absurd wrong for me she steals it easily she does steal it easily she just grabs it walks out and tells she shoots a marine a marine who's there and then the other guy tells her where to go instead of not saying anything and dying no belief like and then she kills him anyway I'm meant to feel bad for her like I don't care about her she's a bad person Maki is such a like they've packed so much time into this person and she's dead now and this is like what was your story I don't know do they think that people will like when they talk about Halo the Incredible Television so they're like Maki's character art was so wonderfully executed everyone's favorite character Maki hopefully she gets her own game at this point she's like no no it's not going to happen I don't mind the idea of someone like her like somebody who's being like somebody who's delusional and obviously being manipulated but I feel like there should have been a beat earlier on where there was something redeeming about her like we don't like just for a huge stretch of the first season we're meant to like not like her she's just an antagonist period and then she meets chief and then that's all of a sudden where like her allegiance is like it could go one way or the other and then she kind of sees the appeal in humanity for a brief window of time in the season and then she kind of sacrifices herself and and then you know chief being completely overwritten by Cortana at that moment they kind of bounce off of that to show like his callousness as a result of being overwritten by Cortana he doesn't care that this other blessed one has just been killed but I just I just would have liked us to to like Machia a little bit more I'd say yeah I mean like you guys are saying like we have no reason to to be on her side you know very little reason to be look at this effect on the guy who dies by the way in the background I know it's awful the one guy the bad guy who's like I don't trust her she's evil and this is his fate he was right he was absolutely right and his fate is melting thanks chief and don't interrogate the Covenant spy in the same room as the fucking artifact yeah exactly what the hell are you doing come on get her out of there she has to be in there so that she can activate it and do the big shockwave and escape for the big finale at the end yeah the UNSC is so incompetent they're so incompetent I know it's terrible just in case it wasn't already clear without all other halo content it's just this show we'd just be saying this show is so fucking bad what do you have what do you have that you could latch on to you know and I know we keep talking about it but like the emotional suppressing pellets like Kai breaks out she comes in helps Riz has a shot on chief and Vanix like yeah take the shot but she don't want to cause she likes him so much it's like man these pellets don't do anything like they keep they keep disobeying you the time the pellets don't do shit yeah it's funny it occurred to me that the reason they had it so like they were standing up while cutting the pellets out of their lower spine is that it would look too comical if they were face down butt up on like a bed to have the pellet removed well you know what it should have been it should have been in their heads and they just fucking this skull and pull it out how unfortunate would it be if the pellet was like in there like between their ribs or something like you know someone really hard to access not like just underneath the skin man that was something you'd think a scientist would do it'd be like that episode that thing in the Wolverine when he chops himself open to grab the thing on his heart like imagine if it was there and then you just have cheap without aesthetic gets an energy sword cuts himself open reaches in pulls it out yeah oh dear it seems like a meme format like grabbing the thing and someone's happy and then someone else is dying as a result like it's sounds like something because she was still in that room for some reason so that this it's just mired with a lot of standard awful writing problems this show it only coasts coast by honest IP if it wasn't with the IP there'd be nothing like that anybody would find valuable about it well yeah to go back to that example where Halsey hijacks the entertainment system in McKee's cell it's like are they not monitor monitoring all the in and out digital like communications like through that room I got caught I don't even have cameras in there they don't have cameras they wouldn't know what Mars chief did and if they knew that they wouldn't have let her in they'd be like what the yeah I mean not not only for just any prisoner but like a fucking Covenant spy of all people exactly you'd think they'd be taking special precautions but no I guess because that would be an obstacle to the plot yeah like a padlock like an old keyhole yeah yeah 1800s old faithful none of this yeah why don't you fucking hack this computer bitch that's not fair yeah so bad so bad yeah a lot of this a lot of this show is like you said it is that standard kind of bad where you can just point at it as it happens and then you could say oh that's like that that's just bad there's no way she can get here there's no way they could do this it's just these basic kinds of logistical issues characters and rooms and moving around and stuff like that right it's really good fodder yeah team sale aim my wallet look at him he's suffering in hell damn you gaben the one guy who is right about her all along the show punishes the hardest interesting interesting most painful death and I meant to feel bad for her when she like gets shot and dies like death man sucks for you you know like I feel so bad for you you know if only you felt that bad about all the people you killed many of whom died horribly like them getting crushed by the I can't believe why is their name gone the worms they are monsters I don't know what they're called the other worm things the hunter the hunter worms I guess we'll call them like damn that guy seemed like he was having a really bad a lot of them died by getting crushed by hunter worms that's a pretty terrible way to go like getting killed by bow constrictors but yeah for someone he's doing she was younger for you I like that someone ties to her so she can do whatever she wants justifies everything oh sorry we forgot so something that's worth noting about this Miranda Miranda is our trying to they've got a message from the gladius that includes Mackie on the call speaking in the covenant language she's trying to decipher it and she's like hey listen hey take a listen to this see like this is so weird when I put it through the filter she's speaking so high like it's a high pitched voice it's so weird and it's like a weird accent it's like hmm Miranda now I know we have extra information because we're watching the show but a weird accent a really high pitched voice for an elite and you have a covenant pie at your base who lived with the a young woman fluent in sanghealy and is a woman really a bit of helpless language translated too fullest by this point in the way I'd recognize that Irish accent anywhere that's coming it reminds me of remember that episode of breaking bad would you like to be going to the great journey you remember the episode of breaking bad with waltzer is trying to explain to jesse what can like what element is able to conduct electricity he's holding wire he's expecting him to say copper and he just goes yeah wire yeah like that's what you would be like with her when you explain all of those facts you'd be like so who is it and she'd be like a girl elite you're like yeah a lady elite so here's the thing right before she's about to do the the test she figures it out she figures it out and then she wants to do communications alas ballsy is jamming all communications to the base while she executes her plan unfortunate miranda's got to run up to the room and tell them what's happening and writers mackey has escaped while they're attacking chief and she's trying to explain like no you don't understand they're being attacked and a lady in his head like you got to believe me and they're about to and then unfortunately misunderstanding as miranda comes in she's the spy and they're like ah you're evil you cannot be trusted we're gonna tase you and then that cause it's like man it's so great when several things happen all at once for no reason at all to ensure that and no one has cell phones with one another well they can't communicate rags because the base has no communications but then they're like well no go find mackey it's not shut everything down it's not like it's really odd that our communications go down when the covenant spy is about to use the four other artifact the covenant spy whom we don't trust man like this is this is just this is bad writing guys this is bad writing it frustrates the hell out of me they're not every single person in this room is tackling her out of this room being a good drager by her fucking hair get her out of there yes yeah you should have miranda should be picking up the artifact and running away with her so that she can't get it you have you have both of the keys the dynamic amazing duo in this show and they're just standing there letting her be with an arms reach of this artifact when they need to be not doing that also slight detour but one of the bots is called naked HD XYZ find girl even in the shit hole wow really yeah I saw one of them said no more jerk off find girl no more jerk off you find girl it's written by a caveman no more jerk off you find no more jerk off me find woman drag to cave it must work right somebody's clicking that shit I don't know me make woman you like halo sex me like halo me like John halo no even a caveman would think this is shit yeah also this is her prison outfit by the way this is her prison attire that's the outfit they give to her this is what all prison because a woman even the male prison there's that obligatory cleavage in the prison uniform it's one thing the UNSC gets right in this show but there's a scene couple scenes that kind of lead up to her the plan to get her to be a double agent and or is it just an agent at that point it's just an eight is it an agent would she be a double agent or an agent well so you're right to be confused because her loyalties do for one moment in the show shift to humanity they do it briefly so it's like she's an agent for them it's fucking strange so then she turns into a double double agent or whatever it is but there are scenes to kind of set up the idea that the elites or sorry the covenants plan is to plant her amongst the humans right and I assumed this would be done in a different way when I first heard this plan stupid as it is I thought the plan would be that they capture some kind of a human vessel and she just sort of inserts herself subtly into human society and enacts some kind of a plan and she just blends in with humanity I didn't think that they would do it this way where she is very very conspicuously sent down from an alien ship on an alien drop pod and you know that's not how I imagine that plan working out because that's so bafflingly stupid they also they have a scene where she she tells elites they guess the implication is before she gets jettisoned to the humans they imply that she wants the elites to beat her up so that it looks like she's actually been a tortured prisoner but they never do that never happens it's just in place she just tells them to do that the scene cuts then she's dropped down to humans and she's got her hair cut she's clean shaven she is got all of her makeup on her hair has been styled she has nice fitting clothes on and like none of this works so they paid lip service to the idea that that's something they should do but they just don't do it and fairest to the first point I would think she needs to be close to the chain of command here and John I thought that they were going to do something where she could use some kind of some subterfuge some sort of guile something to where oh we have someone who's in human society and they're with the humans maybe she can access some information or find out where the artifact is or where they're keeping it we're just going to say here she is and hope she could capture it and also kill John Halo that seems like it's a lot worse of a plan it surely had to be a better way there had to have been a was there a surface level reason for her being dropped off that she gave like a lie I think she said that they I can't remember I want to say that she did she said like I escaped in the battle or I was able to get on a drop pod because she says everything she spills the beans on everything else about oh yeah I totally understand that language and she slips up about oh yeah the system that you call a lot of really dumb shit that would automatically blow her cover instantly without any question that no one picks on because John Halo is a fucking retard you'd love to have that scene with an interrogator where she explains a whole story and then the first thing he says is how long did it take to memorize that because all of this is awful what did the covenant promise you to get you to betray your own people something like that this show does not give a fuck about trying to make her convincing and yeah you're right the whole make it look good I guess that she's just referring to dropping her off in a pod I don't know if it's anything else I think that's supposed to be you need to beat me up to make it look convincing like I've been abused but they just the scene cuts in as I think the aliens are closing in on her to do it but she looks this is how she looks when she's dropped off I mean she's got her hair did why wouldn't they just kill her oh she has got a mark on her arm yeah she does have a little mark on her arm oh okay wow that's almost worse I was about to say you could miss it they're like well I did miss it and so did right yeah because you'd expect for them to punch her she's got like a well so that they actually she said make it look good referring to hurting her so it looks like they they hit her arm she should have some facial damage right her makeup and her hair did yeah wearing human clothes almost they should be all ratted and torn and dirty the exact same thing baffled me and I figured like oh maybe I just misunderstood maybe she wasn't talking about being like physically maimed or whatever like maybe it was something to do with the drop pod and not like her specifically but I think it's just neglectful writing as it often comes down to because they weren't willing to do yeah they weren't willing to do would actually come across as like convincing like she should probably be naked her hair should be long depending on how long she's been incarcerated messed up she should not have makeup on that's stupid she should have those like scars all over her or our particular like wounds from having like maybe clamps around her wrists for a long time something that might even imply that she actually escaped a situation where she wasn't in a four star hotel and that's the thing they want her to look beautiful and presentable she should not be wearing makeup I don't even know that they want us to think that's a reality other than just TV show it's like no she's all women have makeup they just look this good no why is SAG Healy providing you human makeup that's weird it's almost like some world building you could do with the elites is like this human females cover themselves and this mud looks idiot looks idiot see that would be a great scene it makes them look even more ugly let me apply it for you it just like swipes his hand on his face it's just terrible it's like Hobus I've been watching makeup tutorials on YouTube you need to blend the eyeliner with the mascara gently along with the edges to cover up wrinkles I'd much rather watch a show about an elite who wants to be a makeup artist he wants to be an estimation I don't want to fight I won't put makeup on ladies it's like that's not the SAG Healy way look there's anything anything else it would be preferable please did she pass out for real there she's got to be faking it right she's faking it in the 26th century and then later on on the ship on the medical ship she's going like she's meant to be sleeping like she's sleeping talking to us like do you not have medical equipment that would reveal she is very much awake and alert and faking it dude you just want the chief to walk over and kick her in the arms she's like why you faking with me I was in search of risk who headed it up was an EMT and he said one of the things that they do regularly is EMTs is when someone passes out they always check to see if it's for realsies or if they're just passing out to get like free attention or something like that because that's the thing people do and one of the things that the way that they check to see if someone is actually passed out is they will hold their arm up above their head yeah they'll hold their hand up above their head and they'll drop it and if the hand actually just lands on their face then it's probably it's more likely to be real because if it's fake then people will let their hand drift away from their face so that their hand doesn't smack them in the face it's one of the tips that they went oh wow yeah that's clever well it was also just tickling them yeah stop stop it hey stop that they're trying to they're still acting like they're passed out but they're like smiling it's like I can see you smiling like they're like trying so hard not to smile yeah yeah I guess it's not foolproof we're just having oh I'm just joking around what of those who are tickled proof what about you who cannot be tickled 1 in 500 million cannot be tickled you are the blessed one you're immune to the tickling like now chief like someone tries to tickle him and it doesn't work he's like what what I forgot we did talk about that that's in episode 2 he doesn't have the emotional prelude removed but I guess he touched the keystone so he goes crazy he's talking to that guy and he's like what am I and then he grabs him and slams him into the wall and screams in his face what am I you love to see it master chief screaming what am I yeah it's the same energy as walker saying do you know I am it's exactly that energy it's like how do we make our characters interesting and complicated so they scream and people what am I screaming yeah there it is I'm not sure what the I don't know what else I would be highlighting except for just the smaller portions of stupidity in this show that scene with wreath made me laugh because they were obviously doing to me like a silence of the lambs type thing where they walk past all the cells of crazy people churros it doesn't really work out so if you're gonna do that silence of the lambs bit either the person at the end of the aisle is going to be like like silence of the lambs where he's eerily kind of calm and idle in comparison to the other cellmates or he's going to be just like this ridiculous scampering person which is what ends up being the wreath character which I just can't believe like if you were wreath like how fucking exhausting would it be if you were just scampering around like a feral animal all the time apparently wreath was a jackal that's why he knew everything that he did he was a jackal yeah like in the intensive oh I thought you meant this guy was a jackal and I was like how though no no that in the in the expanded law for the games he's a jackal like in the books and that's why he knows so much because he's part of the covenant he's wrecking the books apparently he is and he's a jackal yeah oh wow that's interesting I had no idea jackal is not relatable okay they're not relatable they're not humans you can't relate to a jackal the jackal is great in the show every dude all of the stuff that's like what they meant to look like with the aliens looks cool it's just a shame great the jackals look particularly great it's just these aren't they barely show up and it's the only thing you could praise about this show is like yeah some of the aesthetics are impressive that's like that's the nature of this show though is that like everything it is surface level in terms of anything that it's trying to meaningfully pull from the source material it's just things look like those you know they look like in the games and they kind of sound like the stuff in the games but that's that's it otherwise it isn't we didn't know that they're three round burst we knew to have dmr's we didn't know that they're semi-automatic it's that kind of thing well I think the clearest example of that is remembering our episode 9 how like they use the sniper like it's not suppressed it's like that's just suck right there's a lot suppressed why is it suppressed and then of course just like I don't know man using plasma pistols to get headshots at long range that doesn't feel like what the plasma pistol is does it not make more sense to give him like carbine or something or or like some sort of rifle you know but it's just I don't know it's just like you can pull stuff from from the source material but like it's not meaningfully implemented and a lot of it is contradictory anyway in terms of like what is shown in the show in terms of how things work it just keeps changing it's really really is it really is it is quite yeah it's just oh yeah in episode 1 because when the elites attack and they're using their ak-47s 500 year old weapons to fight them their bullets don't take down their shields but for some reason the Spartans their guns do they just take down their shields the classic thing is the same gun being used by a human does nothing but it just spawns using it it does everything it's like that doesn't exactly it's just this I will say one thing that they did in this that I liked that I don't think is present in the games I think it's the one thing jackals with energy swords yes they did have a no we've done the jackals some of them have like wrist mounted she oh well that's not the sword in the other and I'm like oh that kind of makes sense yeah that's like it you know I think that's sort of it the yeah this this first person sequence well that said like see we like the games even though the HUD doesn't even look like in the games it's done really haphazardly it's literally just a guy with a camera and then they put stuff in posts well it's interesting because it alternates between orange and blue so I assume whenever it's orange it's like that's when chief is in like a combat state and his HUD is kind of reminding him of the fact I don't know if that's necessary for somebody like him but whatever that's the way it works I know I'm being shot at computer thanks yeah but there's some moments where there's no enemies around but it's still orange when it cuts to his HUD like camera view and it's like okay well is he just in an alert status still but not quite in a like there's no enemies you're perfectly safe status and that's why it's not blue I don't know why they just wouldn't make it all blue because that's like the games like why would you introduce orange into the palette here you know I think it looks cooler I guess I guess why would you like what's the point of pulling it like if you're gonna pull it that just make these weird territory changes some of which actually make things worse yeah I don't think chief ever reloads his gun by the way no I'm just thinking about that because I'm pretty sure he like fires his his assault rifle he fires way more than 32 bullets and it's like you never reload yeah they uh well I remember a time when master chief had pouches on his armor where I had I hope those are like extra mags in there or something because in the show you can't portray that it's it's a video game thing that in order to adapt it to actual reality you have to account for where he keeps all of this ammo what where is he carrying everything and so they just instead of doing that instead of them having some kind of a bandolier or something along those lines maybe some kind of something from like halo reach right you could give your Spartan like pouches and whatnot they instead of doing that they just don't show it it's just not a thing you you never reload your the accuracy of the um like the HUD showing bullets being spent and what's actually being spent just isn't it doesn't match like they knew to do it but they didn't do it accurately and so when you when you instantly notice that it's being done you also instantly notice that it's not being done correctly how it should be so it's almost like why did you even bother you need to do it to do it correctly it's like the shield noise you knew to put the shield noise in but you didn't care about having shields actually like work as they do in the game yeah it's weird yeah everything does what it needs to for the sake of the plot that's kind of that's the and there are big parts of this that we didn't get into a lot of it relating to quan as a character um because again we just stress this point she goes into the desert and finds witches who give her a spirit journey where she sees a monitor and it's like that this is a whole part of the plot is just her doing family stuff with the resistance fighting against it's all just it's all shit and boring and completely irrelevant yeah it doesn't lead to any bearing on the main story at all killer a couple times though that was nice I did appreciate that those are the moments where master chief is my self insert and I could just kill her multiple times he never got to see her again but even that sequence like what was the point of that sequence master chief kills her a couple times in this vision and then she says actually beat him right then it just stops no he just stops she's like what do you want like what is this and then he's just like ah no I'm not going to hurt you anymore it's like I don't understand what this is what was that yeah I think but then you don't fight him that's how you win is you don't fight him you have to tell him that it doesn't make a lot of sense though when like later on she has to fight all these people to win you know like yeah I get it she has to fight she doesn't blow him up to win I think the ultimate reason for this scene was to have the sensationalist trailer shots you know probably where you have a sneak peek of the episode like what quant is fighting master chief I got a tune into this thing there is a lot of selling for this episode especially right yeah I feel like there is something here about like because at the start of the episode quant is like rage is all I have left and then they're trying to I guess teach her a lesson about how you can't just use rage to win a fight like you don't engage in a fight that you can't in a way that you know that you can't win right because like she keeps going up against chief and she just keeps losing because she can't compete with that sheer amount of force I feel like that fighting the vision when she tells them that rage is all she has left that's what changes their mind into accepting her because originally they're like no go away you can't control yourself and then she said but rage is all I have left and then they train her or whatever they let her in that's what gets them to because none of this makes sense it doesn't have a purpose or a point there's nothing to it it's just like look at all these people staying around all these women witches in the desert in this halo show watching master chief in a spirit vision beat up Kwan so that she could go to a well where she sees the monitor and then her ancestors talk to her in this vision and tell her that she's a protector with a capital P and in like I don't know what any of this is supposed to what are you trying to tell me well based off of that here's all I have left line I thought the lesson of the fight sequence was going to be that you can't just use rage to win the fights you engage in but it didn't like do anything with that it's just like eventually like she just dies a bunch of times and then eventually chief holds out his hand and then she takes it and then it just transitions to a new scene and it's like what did that what was the point of that so I suspect the point of it was to just use it for like promotional material like chief and Kwan fighting each other you know made for a riveting episode this was one of this was like the most boringest episode in the history of always because all it just remember the whole sandstorm thing it was funny it was incompetence she broke out of her bike with a rock that was fun yeah that was fun she smashes the hand or no a piece of the bike breaks off that's right yeah breaks off even though the rocks disintegrate as she uses them they disintegrate until that comes off and then she can escape and then Taze what's his name in the back of the head and that knocks him out but when they use the Taser on what's Macky it doesn't do anything which makes it painful yeah the only reason she had that is because earlier in the episode when they went to the funeral and the people showed up and they escaped one of the people dropped the thing and she grabbed it it's like ah I see you set that up just so she could have it to knock soren out and then escape drive into the desert with no goggles right into the sandstorm fortunately the desert mystics are just standing in the sandstorm and then come grab her and abduct her it's like it's so critical that's great she's still this jeep driving through the sandstorm that's right with no windshield no goggles she's driving through the sandstorm open top and everything she hears something that makes her stop and get out of the thing get out of the vehicle so that she can get captured by the desert witches who then say that she isn't ready for training which makes you wonder why they bothered in the first place they should just let her keep going I don't know why would they grab it just to say yeah you don't ready and then she's like yes I am and they're like I guess you are here drink this hallucinogen this is a great porn bot name tinder X XYZ everyone is here to fuck with you alright it's always fucking with me I wonder if that was the same drug they had on rubble you know it's like where Kwan is like what is that they say clarity I'd be like mmm I don't know I'll take a pass I'm not sure what is more specific what is in clarity exactly I remember that woman because that's his wife she says that her planet was glossed it's like if there are people who are around and their planets have been glossed how is it that nobody believes that the company are real like in these like yes your propaganda it's like where is your home oh it's this planet you can take a look if you want you won't find anything though it's just gloss everywhere the whole planet is gloss like emitting the propaganda here and so I guess to almost tie all of this into a bow what do we have here we have characters who are utterly nonsensical many of them are incredibly flat and don't have much going on to them at all or their outright contradictory the plot is insane it hinges entirely on an insane string of coincidences and outright plot holes oh what's that that was just yeah then you got like the world building I don't understand what's going on who's where what they value or any of the conflicts is the covenant really a threat or are they not that important have no idea how they're going to sort out everything to do with the forerunners and the theme what is it you know it was a legitimate point of confusion if the humans in general knew that the covenant existed because there's a whole bunch of other people are so nonchalant about it even then it took a while for me to go like so you guys know are you here for the covenant or the rebels do you know about the covenant is this like a thing that you're aware of because they're just so not present that you often I was just left wondering do you guys know that there's like a thing going on with the aliens that want to destroy you as a species well the show remembers when it needs to otherwise they're out of the way so it can focus on its drama this is very much a show that is at the whims of what the writers want to happen in any given episode we don't really care how much we have to contort the world we have to contrive a set of insane coincidences to make something happen or have the characters to act completely out of character to get where we need to go it is such a clear example like when you look at episode one and the insane string of events that led up to that conclusion or like an episode eight when it was that insane string of all these things happening all at once for the sake of like this dramatic tension that's entirely artificial to lead to this conflict to set up the stakes for episode nine and the plot that's happening it's just everything in this show just bends and buckles in favor of whatever they need to do which for the most for the most part is expediency of getting to exactly where they want regardless of whether it makes any sense so you're kind of left with a show that has like kind of very very few redeeming qualities when it comes to the writing I don't even know what I would hide honestly I don't know what I would say I don't know what points would say that was a good character because even so and it's like I like him I don't know if I'd say it's good yeah might just be that the actor was really tall he's I think he's like the only actor I really liked I like him I like that character but then he does dumb things like walk around like put himself in really dangerous situations allow himself to be compromised doesn't seem to have a really clear consistent sort of objectives in mind remember his wife with all the weird hunger games princess amidala outfits every crush that guy's foot that's already crushed that guy's foot for no reason yeah I was like oh that's I don't even know what that was and that's what I mean it's like even him who's probably the best character in the show it's like it's not really like that much of a really weak as a character that's unfortunate part I think he just rises above the rest the best character was the NP who got fried he was the he's the best character he's gone now and he's punished cheap chief is just confusion all the time persistent confusion doesn't know anything doesn't know what he believes in constantly at the back and call the writers to do whatever they need to create drama Halsey is a caricature just incredibly evil with like really no dimensions to her at all um keys both of them are really flat they don't really have a whole lot going on like keys is remorseful about his involvement in the Spartan program and that's about it a few times yeah and they only bring it up a couple times and yeah and Miranda doesn't like Halsey that's like the big defining trait of her and then she's a scientist lady but I don't really know what she believes in other than vague principles of goodness because that's about as deep as it goes nine episodes 50 minutes a piece and that's like the most that we get for these characters awesome Cortana I don't know anything about what she wants or what she believes in um like I said it's for those of you who don't it's probably legit I don't think it's copyrighted or anything or content ID at least you could probably put the um that the arbiter opening sequence from halo two and to just show people if you guys aren't familiar about the games this in X minutes does more to establish different characters factions and world building than the entirety eight hours or so of the halo show this one cut scene does it's full of more artistry and passion and talent in terms of writing and just sheer information in time as a ratio than the entirety of the halo show and that's dark contrast that's the case for sure but the show could have not been that and still could have been common but it's just mired with you have so many examples of like the world and the plot refusing to acknowledge the situations that the rules that they've set up the Spartans or automatons who do exactly as they told chief is disobeying like protocol hmm Kai's putting like gun grease in her head and dye her hair red hmm that's a little bit odd chiefs sort of just walking around like in the city huh strange how come the world isn't responding to things that they ought to be responding to considering how important he is how established it is that he doesn't breach protocol or like not follow orders ever the world doesn't respond we've got a story that we want to tell right now so we don't care about that like when we have the entire scene in episode one where we have like the whole one thing set up so that chief defects comes back we're no we're done with that that plot points over we're finished with that we're done like we're not going to acknowledge that anymore we don't need to talk anymore about what chief did and how this decision is going to have ramifications on him or like him trying to kill Halsey a couple of times well no we got the scene we got our big dramatic scene that we can put up on twitter about how cool the show is um we don't need to deal with that anymore like throughout the show it's just constantly like buckling and bending in favor of like stupid payoffs that are not that impressive it's so incompetent yeah that's it's a five and a half minute cut scene and it's not it's it's everything between introducing Arbiter to him starting his mission so the ship masters in there it's the first time we meet him profits are introduced I can't help but be impressed by how quickly it establishes Arbiter as a really likeable character in that game despite the like the initial circumstance he's in like you see him like the first scene is him getting chewed out in front of all his alien peers right and you get a few things established he's a very competent warrior he's deluded he does what the prophets tell him to but he's very good at what he does he's acknowledged that he's made a mistake and that he's going to do his best to rectify that and fight onward for the sake of the covenant but the covenant will not give him any leeway like they all just want to fucking throw rocks at him basically and you feel sorry for him really quickly we're like he's like they strip him of his armor they burn him and he's saying like you know if you came here to watch me beg you won't be disappointed like lines like that you know like it does such a good job of establishing him as a very likeable character in one scene like this you've now reminded me of something I've remembered this show has a lot of lines that it thinks are really impressive and cool but they're clearly proud of that aren't that good at all they're going to give up our own it's like wow you're really proud of that one do you ever ask do you ever wonder why you never wonder why I bet they're like haha see that's fucking clever and it's like fuck man like these are really not that impressive lines there aren't really any impressive lines in this show at all there's no like iconic line that I can think of it's like man that really encapsulates that point or wow that was like a really strong wordplay or hmm that tells me a lot about this person what they believe there's nothing and it's kind of funny when you compare it to the games it has tons of like really memorable lines lots of memorable lines partly because the characters can only say what's necessary a lot of the time it's kind of crazy they're like a professional show that was written by professional writers has much less memorable dialogue and it's not about the quantity because there's tons of lines throughout all of the games and there's just so many that you would highlight the great mind has tons of awesome lines the arbiter has tons of cool lines chief has a lot of cool lines Cortana has lots of fun lines I don't know what happened were it so easy I cannot stand this idea that there was no cinematic storytelling merit to the games where the show runners were just like we're gonna do our own thing it's just like our own shitty thing dude how dare you like I don't mean to sound overly dramatic about it but really like there's so much good material here and it's like you're insisting to do your own thing that's inferior like I don't expect the show to be exactly like the games what I do expect is to be equally at least equally or more compelled by the storytelling of the show as I was by the storytelling of the games that's it the games did a better job sorry you failed I don't think anybody thinks the show did a better job so with way more money and resources and just like and again professional writers as opposed to just a group of game developers coming up with like I don't know what happened like what happened with Kyle Killen writing on this yeah I was I'm looking up Kyle Killen and Steven Kane they both left one of them left partway through filming left off to season one completed a good Ironman I'm sure he would all agree absolutely I'll take I'll absolutely roll the random dice and getting new writers these ones are worthless I think there's a bunch of bullshit cover covering up a very troubled production where it's a little problem process as well I'm looking at the like the writing credits we've got he's got 11 writing credits ship tv series the closer tv series he's got some episodes in those he wrote an episode for NCIS alias he wrote an episode for without a trace wait so the alias one what year is that credited 2005 the closer credits are 2010 and 2012 the last ship looks like 2018 and then we have Halo the thing that you never even know if it's their writing anymore with the way everything works you don't even know if they did write this or if they're just named as the ones who wrote it yes so the other writer is Kyle Killen he has 10 credits for writing Velvet tv series which is announced oh okay it's old The Awakening some episodes for that 2021 Mind Games tv series Awake tv series 2012 I know that the final revisions for the Death Note 2017 movie nice oh man and also in Lone Star 2010 some episodes and yeah I guess I don't know how it works how one person gets to go to a new project and that's maybe it's who you know or I don't I don't know how it works out I know it's the same a lot of people are thinking about that with Daredevil it's like so you didn't bring back the original writers who did you bring back you look up their credits it's like you did three shows all of which were cancelled after one season that nobody's ever heard of and then you get Daredevil like how does that happen yeah what did you do how many cocks did you suck 70 just because you made shows that got cancelled like they could be great shows I guess it's just how does that happen how do you um what is the transition and I mean we're seeing it with a lot of Marvel stuff right where you have like one or two writing credits it's like here you go head writer of a television show well these writers here although shows I was mentioning it was like an episode here four episodes for this show three episodes for that show a big like writing credit for like a whole season and they nailed it well it's I guess it's just um I don't know it doesn't look great when like both of them leave as well it's like man you got to like show run Halo and you don't want to do that like what happened was it please don't let them touch Daredevil it's over buddy wow I mean yeah I think you would have asked me a few years ago would have been a lot more excited now I'm in a place for it some I got nothing by the way tangentially related to TV I just found out that the finale for Stranger Things season 4 is going to be two and a half hours long yeah I hear that a lot of those episodes are going to be long like the episodes themselves are going to be quite long yeah I don't get it it's some movies at that point not TV show I feel like at that point you're getting a little too long for the spirit of our of television well let's hope it's good right I guess yeah I mean yeah because the media landscape right now is so exciting have they said that the fourth season is going to be the last one I think the fifth one is the last one oh okay two and a half hour finale did I hear that right yep wow so long finale yeah I guess I'll put it forward to all of you is that anything else about the show that you think is worth discussing hasn't already been covered yet what I will say before answering that if we do Super Chance next anything you come up with along the way you can just talk about if you want to you know assuming you're staying for Super Chance everybody right I will well again what is there anything that anybody feels like really pressing that they haven't that hasn't been touched on yet did we really go over the fact that Cortana just took over his goddamn corpse as I was saying when we talked about it I'm not even sure mechanically what they want us to think is happening I'm not sure my understanding is that my mind my understanding is that chief well somebody's got to go I just wait if there's anymore he had the pause before alright my understanding was that chief allowed himself to die in what is presented as a noble sacrifice so that Cortana could then take over his corpse to save the day I think that's what they want me to believe it is what I do believe so I as dumb as that is I think that's what they're going with and then they want the season to end with us wondering what is chief's fate who knows find out next time unbelievably bizarre to me I think the show is genuinely one of the worst things that I've watched it's pretty bad but uh we watched Multiverse of Badness recently and well pretty bad even with Sam Raimi yeah Sam Raimi couldn't save it what a piece of shit that movie was this might be worthwhile what would everybody's number score be for Halo season 1 Halo Infinite out of 10 oh no that's really harsh hey are you implying the only thing good about this show is the you know I don't even know where I was going with that I kind of get where you were going with that I'm going down to 1 I was just I think I've sustained actual psychic damage psychic damage this made me feel like I touched an alien artifact out of 10 yes I'm gonna go with 2 because I I do feel like it could have been even worse even more terrible writing probably could have infected this but it's pretty dire so yeah I'll settle on a 2 alright I'm gonna give this a 3 and I'm normally pretty forgiving with stuff and I just was not impressed with this yeah rags I'm in the 2 to 3 category I'm trying to weigh it up versus like our other 2s and 3s just to see where it slots in more accurately what's a so bat woman is a 2 right yes okay and a 3 would be we used to say that TLJ was a 3 but I'm not convinced anymore could be a 2 do we have a do we have a go to 3 at the moment maybe a chat help us out what we said is a 3 yeah chat what's a what's a good 3 one of the there's got to be a Marvel movie or a a DC movie that's a 3 right oh is Iron Man 3 a 3 I don't remember enough about Iron Man 3 to really rate it Justice League is a 2 my dude oh did we give Mando season 1 did we give that a 3 I could believe us giving that a 3 that's possible I think I will give it a 3 then Mando season 1 was a 3 it was pretty damn bad man it was really really bad when you start to dig into it yeah I remember being not great I don't know about 3 damn you don't worry they all will they all will see they'll all see I haven't looked at it closely no one wants to it's a 2 this show is broken in too many ways for me to consider it to be a 3 like it's a 2 there's so much about it it's broken in terms of plot mechanics yeah I mean it's it's a disaster there's kind of there's no getting around it I don't know what I would highlight as being like you know what that was some really impressive writing I got nothing like I actually have nothing in 9 hours hey the clone reveal that's something no yeah but like I don't even know if that makes full complete sense because I don't think it does either but it's I don't know if that would ever be worth a point though is it that's not what the point is it's like a thing kind of you reincorporated something good job welcome to writing yeah like good on them that's like good you know my manager is keeping you too commander season 2 even worse I don't know what chat reminders I think season 2 is more obviously worse but I don't know if it's actually worse when you act when you look into it I only watched the first episode to clarify which part of the list I didn't continue everything free just said was about the halo show not about Mando season 1 by the way no I wasn't talking about Mando yeah halo was a 2 it's the plot is only broken and hinges on a set of insane contrivances like free doesn't hate Mando's as much I don't hate no I don't know I don't hate Mando I hate halo yeah I think I thought you were talking about bad man Mando is just kind of funny at this point yeah yeah when I watch Mando I'm like oh you you're terrible look at you over there being awful yeah ruining Luke again no there's Boba Fett's show damn it they pulled the episodes from the Mando season to do that yeah it's I don't know if I'm going to give halo a 2 or 3 it's really a matter of what it is in relationship to all the other things that are 2 and 3 and I think that it's either there is that as a categorization but the way that I would justify it is if I would lay out like every single time that the world bends in crazy ways to basically save the characters or to push their story forward in ways that benefits it it's like that list is enormous like the fact in and of itself that Master Chief is the one of like only 2 people in all of humanity who can interact with forerunner artifacts and on 2 separate occasions came into contact with those forerunner artifacts that were complementary to one another like that alone is an insane coincidence and then you stack on top like how did he get there and then everything that happens at the end of like episode 1 how like in Quan in that final battle it's like how many times the world comes to save them and just overall it's like you've got all of those plot problems and the characters coming along to like really save things nah, no, like no they're pretty dire as well I don't know what I would highlight as being good and once I'm at that point you know I don't know how I can say I can 3 I feel like in a 3 I can point to things that are like yeah that was actually pretty good or I like that or there was some potential there yeah my it's when you get into the difference between a 3 and a 6 is massive right the difference between a 2 and a 3 it's that weird grey goop area of it's really tough to say you can go with 2.5 if you really want to do I could I think I'll do that a 2.5 because I want it we need to have like maybe it could be an offline thing or we could do it on a Wednesday or something maybe it could be an EFAP day where we take a whole list of stuff and we give them numbers and make like a scale you know and that could be maybe it could be well remember Rags we recently filled the slot of 0.5 that's right we sure did Doctor Strange, Multiverse of Madness in theaters today and forever and you can never escape it until next week when people forget about it and then realize it's awful ER it's one of the most interesting films for discontinuity it like it destroys itself every second of existence the writing in it is so horrendously bad it's kind of hilarious I will say you know I ain't a fan of Marvel movies but now I'm a slightly interested it is interestingly bad if you want to avoid watching it but know how it shit we did was it 10 hours in total talking about just the problems in the films 2-parter at Thunder had a good suggestion the rating thing would be a good idea for EFAP 200 maybe that'd be fun we'd have plenty of time then to rank all the movies that have ever been made it's been getting really lame lately because it feels like so often with a lot of new stuff it's in that territory of like 2, 3 and even 1 it's getting really annoying I'd like to get back to more just like average I want more vibes I will push back on that a little bit we got Batman and No Way Home I true true true true everything everywhere all at once yeah that's a great movie so that's nice think of all the people who didn't see that because they saw Doctor Strange since 10 that's a lot of people right reminds you of like storytelling you know which is not what this show is at least to me anyway it's just um yeah I don't know it's just it would be nice if there was like more big budget stuff that wasn't attached for free and I mean as for like any expectations for season 2 I I mean it's good they're getting new writers apparently but I don't know you've lost me like you kind of lost me after one oh yeah I don't give a shit what happens next I mean it'll definitely be a we're only watching it if you guys really really want to I would only watch it out of curiosity to see if anything actually changes but if we get an episode into it and it's just the same thing I'm just done I kind of just I'm curious to keep alive and that's about it I was going to say I can't imagine you'd want to see any more of this you know you're going to avoid the next season yeah or you're going to watch it hmm it depends I've come so far you want to see you want to see how Kwan's you don't need to stop just to tell you this it's okay to tune into season 2 the same way I still watch the Oscars you know oh my god this is a train wreck but we're just going to see how bad it is you mean like the majority of tv shows and movies right now I am I will watch the first episode of season 2 of Halo because I am legitimately curious kind of what they do considering what the reception is and the fact that it has new writers but I want to see the first episode out of curiosity but if it I'm not invested so if it is the same that we've got I'm just done like I have no investment whatsoever in any of the characters in any of the events I'm just curious and not almost a kind of a meadow way but I have no in-universe interest in anything that happens in the Halo series that's a great yes that's a great distinction I was invested and curious now I'm just curious I'm no longer invested in the show I still like the franchise yeah I like the franchise but well I like the franchise I mean my investment in this series overall is like pretty low at this stage it's been a pretty bad decade for this series like you think about where Halo wasn't you know like even by 2010 even when Call of Duty was starting to take over it's like people still like Halo but now we're at a stage where the newest flagship title in the Halo series has like less active players than like fucking Battlefield 5 again that's like 4 years old that didn't have a good launch and like nobody really cares about anymore the game like it's just been a pretty bad time like if there was something that you liked about the bungee tenure it's been so long at this point and there's been so much content after that I don't even know what it means to say like you'd like Halo anymore you know it's like Star Wars I liked what it used to be well yeah I liked what Halo used to be and I guess like I don't know Infinite can be fun sometimes as well but I mean it's we're in a I don't know my investment in like the story of the Halo world I think it became clear when I didn't beat Infinite I just stopped playing it's like I don't really care anymore about the world or these characters of what's going on which is a shame because it's a really cool world but it's it's gone and in the case of this show less of that you know the best Halo content that we've gotten the last good thing we got was it was it was those the remastered cutscenes that Blair did yeah what about the Halo cookbook that Microsoft this show has a cookbook yes let me look that up this show if you love Halo the series and you want to invite that into your kitchen then boy are you in luck my friend are you in luck if you love recipes from across the galaxy you're going to love the Halo cookbook Halo the official cookbook hardcover as it deserves to be let me get you a picture of it we could finally have Moaburgers in the comfort of my own home let me see hilarious because the Halo twitter account had tweeted this out right before season 2 of Halo content was released so this was during a point where everyone was waiting for new Halo content and they were getting frustrated like come on give us something new and then they announced the Halo cookbook look at look at this here right they've got the pictures of this some of this is weird looking you have the plasma grenade next to the like meatloaf in bacon and you're like what are you doing with the plasma grenade next to your bacon meatloaf the green beans look good is that purple ice cream like it's Halo guys what color would Halo ice cream be rags it would be purple I guess so human face in the back of the first picture like that's a helmet like that's a marine helmet like a little girl doll face top of the sandwich in the first picture little girl doll face with at the very top you not see the little eye the mouth and the nose you're not looking that's not the right picture it's in the cookbook oh cover the first image they have churros from the show that little chick that doll face to the top am I crazy I I I mean you may be crazy but I can't full disclosure I am slightly crazy because I can clearly see the prominently displayed master chief helmet above those sandwiches which makes it Halo which makes it Halo exactly they've got see they got that plasma grenade by the drinks because I was I'm sorry I guess I was in my excitement I forgot that oh yeah I posted it they reused the plasma grenade multiple times we have it next to the what looks like pomegranate almost looks like it's badly shopped via the grenade that could very well be the case yeah I mean so easily done in photoshop and like a burger like that I can't fit that in my mouth you have three layers of a burger and it's got like two things of meat and then looks like what look chicken in the middle and I can't eat this not even a Spartan could eat that their mouths are not I I don't know I would be screaming angrily at this burger saying who am I that you think I could eat this this burger is too high the burger is too high there's too many layers I tweeted about this when it was announced and I said hey all the halo fans starving for content can stop complaining now there you go halo cookbook everybody you can have some Tom Yum and his wife Yumbalina well look we have they're called full moon churros difficulty medium oh is there a legendary yes I thought okay uh yeah here let me show you this because when I I saw the difficulty rating this the full stack ground pounder legendary difficulty do they actually say legendary difficulty it's in the picture I just posted yeah legendary difficulty I would never I would never lie to you about have Samoa full stack ground pounders here's the flavor text so to speak oh man here it is the full stack ground pounder a marvel of culinary engineering and a near impossible task for one person I've attempted it and failed miserably a few times in the past but nowadays I mostly make this when I am having friends over to show off you're probably better just ordering one from the have Samoa but I can't stop you from attempting to make one for yourself what is the context of this flavor is this like an in-universe person communicating to you like every what is the uh UNSC high fleet dining for all the big budgets in the UNSC gets for their military spaceships it always saddens me how they skimp out on food for their crew in my past life as a corporate food pusher my task was always to get them to spend more by the fancier stuff blah blah blah blah find yourself some ingredients yeah I guess this is like yeah eat better food than the UNSC does I don't know like this is a chef in the halo world talking to you or something I would think halo fans would be off put by the legendary difficulty of cooking something like oh that sounds too hard I'm not gonna do that I'm just gonna marinate a chicken and mountain dude that sounds easy if a game fuel yeah yeah you have to marinate it in game fuel halo 3 game fuel it's only for true gamers only for true gamers though I think that about does it grow a halo discussion not that you can't continue talking about it in time to come but I will say this is a part where we switch over to doing super chats and of course anyone must abandon they may but I think you guys mentioned you're happy to stay on already so I guess yes go for it and may I touch on a few things before we go on super chats just allow it okay so the first thing I think is really interesting is the the interview with variety magazine and one of the show runners of the halo show um this went viral on Twitter where variety had interviewed Stephen Cain and this was where the quote came up where he said we didn't look at the games right and that pissed off a shitload of people and I have the the quote here actually hang on right that was one of the writers Stephen Cain right yeah he's one of the key show runners I think there's two maybe three of them he said we didn't look at the games um we started with the games oh no no wait we the in the first instance they were interviewed the variety said that Stephen Cain had said we didn't look at the games and then that was published in the article and then Stephen Cain on Twitter of his own accord responded to the variety article and he said headlines are fun but this is what I really said implying that variety had misquoted him and I suspect that that's not the case I feel like they didn't want to admit that they neglected the games more than they should have and they did a bit of damage control you know what I mean and then they he said uh what I what I really said was so he wasn't implying that he misspoke or he was directly implying that uh variety had misrepresented him and I don't think they would do that like if they like variety used a direct quote I don't think they would get that wrong but anyway Stephen Cain said uh we what I really said was we started with the games and then we went to 343 and they shared all the lore with us so we could give you the full halo experience and I'm like well what is the full halo experience what do you mean by that is the full halo experience like does that mean catering to the fans of the games or just what uh like is that only applied to the story that you want to tell and that has nothing to do with what's been established in the games so far like there's something really fishy about that whole variety thing especially looking back and seeing how like people hate this show yeah right like who are you catering to did you actually talk to anyone who played the games like what do you just want to do your own thing you clearly just wanted to do your own thing and you wanted to take halo and parade around it's it's just it's imagery to sell to sell your show it's just something that you could use for its utility and nothing more you seem to have utter contempt for the concept of a story in a video game like you're above video games right yeah they treat the medium I think with contempt it's like well this is television this is where the real like good stories get told like fuck you dude yeah those boy toys video games are just dumb stupid nonsense we're gonna tell we're gonna introduce them to art right we're gonna culture these we're gonna culture these savages it feels very like elitist yeah haha and uh so I thought that was interesting and then the other thing is um I think the show is afraid of keeping chief's helmet more than it should be because they underestimate the degree to which emotions can be conveyed by a helmet helmeted character yeah and um this is something that ties to my own productions if I may talk about being the chief briefly I filmed this show with action figures of chief and arbiter and they obviously don't have animated faces um but it's shot and written in such a way that I often find myself getting comments such as oh man in this scene and Arby and the chief you can totally see this expression on chief's face which is really interesting right because it's like it's an action figure how how could that possibly be the case how our audience is projecting a facial expression onto an inanimate object right and the phenomenon is due to the Kuleshov effect which I probably I might have mentioned in this podcast previously I can't remember but I think it's worth mentioning again here because it relates to the the the thing with chief always taking his helmet off almost to a comedic degree where it's like it's like trolling the audience almost where it's like you had all this promotional material for the show with chief with his helmet on right like you were saying Fringy and then as the show goes on into episode 2 and onward he's taking it off to an absurd degree and then there'll be a beat where he puts it on and then 20 seconds later he takes it off again like I can't remember this scene it's like he's he puts it on he goes for a brief warthog drive and then he takes it off again like are you fucking kidding me I thought this was gonna be like oh here's the sequence where we get to see helmeted chief for a bit but no it's like this the show is so fucking scared of keeping his helmet on because it's worried that the audience is going to lose the connection with the main character because he has a helmet on like oh if I can't see his face then I can't relate to this dude which is totally the wrong approach to this there is a there are really effective ways of keeping a helmeted character convey emotion I think there's the Mandalorian is an example that is like I haven't watched all of the Mandalorian but I think that's a show that at least occasionally does it really well but in the case of my show Arby and the Chief it's like you know if I have like Master Chief sucks a halo for instance where I have the toy chief holding the controller and then he's trash talking for like 5 10 minutes straight and then you cut to a shot of him getting banned off of Halo 3 or whatever and then you just cut to him totally silent no dialogue just holding on his face on like an extreme close up or whatever you can cut you can you hang your perceptions on the icon that you're seeing on the screen in this case chief and you can you are you can already tell what he's thinking like oh I can't believe I've just been kicked out of this game this is bullshit right and it's just it's funny just without dialogue I mean I think it is I think that's one of the reasons it worked and I understood this so early like when I was a kid about film and so it's frustrating seeing these halo show runners who don't even understand this fucking basic concept about film to go back to the Kuleshov effect thing so this it was this guy who generated this example of how this phenomenon works in film where people figure out what it is a character's thinking and it has very little to do with the expression on their face and much more to do with the juxtaposition of shots right you see you see a shot of a person looking at something and then you cut to reverse shot of whatever it is they're looking at and then you cut back to them and depending on what that middle shot is it determines what the intent the audience projects on that character is so the famous example is a guy staring at a picture of a bowl of soup right and it's like oh that guy's really hungry he's like really longing for that bowl of soup or like it's like or another example it's a bicycle and it's like oh that guy really wants to ride that bicycle but in both examples the guy has a blank facial expression he's not doing anything different with his face so it's just in the juxtaposition of shots but it's I mean that that example illustrates the juxtaposition in particular but I think there's other factors at play which is the duration of the shots and also the framing of the shots whether they're like right music that might be in the background or right I essentially like the proximity of the camera to the subject so if the camera is distant it implies an emotional distance between the subject and whatever that subject is looking at but if you were to cut to like an extreme close up of that guy looking at whatever the object is it would imply that oh that guy's really emotionally invested in whatever this thing is and it you showed me someone who is looking at a for instance bowl of Tom Yum difficulty easy prep time 30 minutes and I would definitely know that they're looking at it longingly because and they need to get them some of that yes you stare at longingly the halo cookbook and you think oh man those recipes from across the galaxy I could really reuse some of those right now but there's a there's a hitchcock Alfred Hitchcock example that's even funnier did you always say hitchcock Ian I did and it sounds so do she I so do she and I was like okay yes but but you know what I mean right where you have you have a three shot pattern right shot number one you got an old guy I think it was hitchcock himself in the example where he's squinting at something that's shot number one shot number two is a woman holding a baby in her arms like nursing it and then shot number three is hitchcock smiling at what he's seeing so the implication there is the audience is reading his face and based off of the second shot the audience is thinking oh he likes this that this woman is nursing her baby he finds it nice that this you know infant is being mothered and cared for you take that same example you replace shot number two with a woman in a bikini right so you have Alfred Hitchcock squinting at something shot of a woman in a bikini cut back to him and he's smiling all of a sudden it's a dirty old man who's getting a kick out of seeing a woman in scantily clad clothing and so the intent of the character that the audience is perceiving has completely changed based on the shot and it has nothing to do with a change in the actor's face it's the same facial expression so what I'm getting at here is the juxtaposition is key and in Halo they're ignoring the potential of playing with the ambiguity of chief having his helmet on and leaving the audience guessing as to what he's thinking like one of my favorite beats in the Halo show it's built off of like nonsense with the whole like him getting an order to kill Quan and whether chief would like be motivated to do that in terms of like the character we know him as but I'm just saying in terms of like visuals on a surface level chief gets the order article 72 whatever the order via his helmet kill Quan and he's staring at Quan and then you cut to chief and he's just eerily kind of you just see his helmet he's wearing his helmet and he's looking at Quan and the camera just kind of holds on him for a beat and you're not really sure what he's going to do I actually really like that even though it was built on a bunch of nonsense I like that visual beat and I wish they actually extended it a bit more like cut back to Quan and then she's like creeped out like what is it looking at I think the main issue for that scene comes with I don't know who this is I have no idea if this is something that he do or not because I don't know who this person is they rely on you knowing master chief from the games to even give that anything resembling dramatic tension the UNSC seemed to think that he would carry it out immediately like that it puts us in a lot of figuring out who this is part of why the inhibitors are treated the way they are by us it's like the UNSC seem to think that they are automatons but then all we have to go off visually is that he touched the artefact and that is fucked with his brains the point where he's no longer simply going to execute a person that's chilling out because they should know that already they should know like oh chief's the kind of guy who probably wouldn't kill this we can't just ask him to do that but no they seem to be fully confident that he would do it so him not doing it to us is like okay what does that mean what are you telling us yeah and it's almost like a lose lose in the scenario because it implies that the UNSC is just stupid and evil and if master chief doesn't go through with it that doesn't mean he's like a good person it's just like that's what I expect from just a person to do by default you know it's not a huge win morally for them to just oh he didn't do a clearly evil thing like yeah most wouldn't that's not a huge win you don't gain really anything out of these two character or out of this character making this decision especially if it's right off the bat yes right so I think there's a lot of potential here for like telling a story about a helmeted person where like I there's a being fully suited and helmeted serves as a metaphor I think for somebody who is so um augmented and battle hardened that you can't recognize the humanity in him anymore and so whenever you look at his helmeted face you're wondering what's going on in there is there a person in there like I feel like that's kind of the point of that character but at the same time you have those moments where even helmeted up and completely covered as he is his humanity does appear in the way that he emotes the few words that he does say some of the gestures that he makes you can't just you can cover a man in a suit but it's still a person beneath and that will come out here and there right you're absolutely right like one of the what I like about chief is he's almost doom guy but not quite where he's like he serves that function of being a hollow suit of armor for the player to occupy much like doom guy but he's not like doom guy and that there is something to him there's like a personality trait that's unique to chief where he's got a basic sense of right and wrong right and occasionally he'll chime in when he needs to and say this is wrong this is right let's do this thing and uh I really like that about a man a few words but he really thinks through whatever he does and there's there's so much opportunity for the show to play with that ambiguity of what's going on under his helmet but I feel it's either the showrunners or maybe Pablo Schreiber had some input himself in regard to like well I don't want to just have my helmet on all the time I want people to see my face like that could be like a an actor a man thing you know yeah that's the point where someone who should probably say too bad you're gonna or like we're gonna find someone else who isn't gonna bitch right um I don't even mind Pablo like I don't want him at all I think he has a tendency to overact in a bunch of scenes but there are scenes where he does quite a good job like when he's on the when he's at his old house and he's on the balcony with Halsey and he's saying like I saw a vision of you you were there I saw you what were you doing there he plays that scene with a genuine sense of like hurt and confusion like he really doesn't understand but there's a bunch of other scenes where he does this like these things with his eyebrows kind of like the rock and you know where he just kind of gets carried away with how his face is looking and you know that shot in the finale where he says Cortana I'm gonna need you now like it does this dramatic push in and he kind of does this like looking from side to side from either left and right of the lens it's just a little bit too much where his performance is so hyper aware of the camera's presence it's like he's posing for like a like a boy band cover shoot or something like that it's like I just want to be like forget the cameras there dude just you know get lost in the the role and just feel it out like you did on that in that one scene on the balcony in the house like I think that most of that's kind of the issue when you talk about stuff of this quality this 2, 3 score horrible show where you wonder at what point does the actors or actresses talent just completely fall prey to they are doing what they are directed to do and you can't even really tell because it's a lot easier to see when you could be more certain that an actor succeeds than when an actor fails because there's always that question with stuff of this kind of quality are they just doing is that how many takes did they do and did the directors decide this one was the best for what idea they're trying to get across at what point no where does one end in the other begin right and here yeah I never my issues with the show and maybe it was because I was too just blindsided by all of the plot and character issues but actor and actress wise no one really was I was never like oh you're just a bad actor it was I don't know it almost like it it kind of reminds me of Milan the remake where every actor and that is bad every fucking one including you don't even notice he was amazing that but like you you don't even notice how terrible all of the dialogue and like the acting is in that movie because it's all terrible and nothing stands apart from anything else so it's almost like your brain accepts it as yeah this is just this is just life and then it just click like oh shit everyone has been terrible this is why I'm hesitant to call a bad performance immediately like bad acting because I think it could just as easily come down to bad writing or bad directing right yeah I can't know which one it is I don't know if yeah when it comes to characters like Quan and stuff you just you don't know because I know the guy who plays Soren yeah he was in Fargo right and he was really good and he just exudes charisma he's just he just he puts out this aura that you want to like him and I think that saves his character so much because he just puts out this vibe of a likeable person I forgot he was in that what season was that it was Mahler help me out which season was that to two right huh he was really awesome in that season and okay okay there's one more example I want to go over I know I'm talking too long here I'm sorry but there's there's this one awesome fucking scene in Halo 2 that I wanted to cite as an example for how you can have a really compare compelling character in a helmeted character like chief there's a cut scene in Halo 2 I mean this is even like it would still be cool even without the blur remastering but those blur remastered cut scenes are fucking so well done phenomenal right and there's my favorite cut scene in Halo 2 is when chief lands I think it's like after it's chief lands on high charity some platform on high charity and he sees mercy the prophet of mercy being attacked by this flood parasitic form and chief walks up to him he says your pal where's he going so right there you got this dry wit that's kind of acknowledging the stakes of everything that's happening but he's just kind of callous and humorous in the face of it and it's just so the delivery is so dry like Steve Downs man he's so he's so fucking he has no love for this character yeah this character that he's talking to he's like fuck this guy I have no sympathy for him whatsoever I'm not here to sympathize with him I got shit to do it's like appropriately callous unlike when he stomps that fucking elite's head flat in the show where I'm just kind of dismayed I'm like I don't know if I like this but in the case of that cut scene it's like yeah I get that he doesn't have any sympathy for this dude like he brought this on himself these prophets and they don't have any honor amongst themselves like they'll all fucking sell each other out or kill each other to save their own skin like they these elites the the covenant prophets they talk of all this like comradery in the pursuit of the great journey or whatever but they don't care about each other they just want that ascendance for themselves I guess because they see that utopian world in following the ascendance when it's really just everyone getting consumed by this terrible parasite and that's exactly what's happening to him in that cut scene he's literally getting strangled by this flood form the tentacles are wrapped around his neck and he's looking at chief and he's still convinced wholeheartedly by his ideology like he's willing to give himself to the great journey and he's unwilling to look the horror of his ideology in the face which is this flood form that has his tentacles around his neck is choking the life out of him actively and he's like still willfully ignorant and that kind of in itself that little beat is like poetic because it embodies this whole idea of the dangers of giving yourself wholeheartedly to an ideology right where you make no room for new information or the truth in your closed system of thought and then so that beat is followed by chief showing the prophet of mercy mercy by pulling off the flood form off of him and saving his life I think I think it's ambiguous whether he's dead or not I'm not quite sure but he pulls it off of him in an attempt presumably to save him and then he goes to Cortana and he has this the scene moves along quite unnaturally quickly but it's a video game so I accept that to happen but he has this emotional exchange with Cortana where Cortana reveals her plan to detonate the engine of a ship that's there in the event that the prophet of truth decides to activate the halo array from the arc which is where he's going and the requirement of that is that Cortana needs to leave herself behind on high charity and chief is now faced for the first time with the possibility of leaving her behind and he might not ever see her again and it cuts to a close shot of him and Cortana's reflection is filling his visor completely and there's a UNSC ship with flood forms on it that crashes behind him or he can hear it coming from behind him yet lands on the platform but if you pay close attention to chief's body language there he turns his body to see because he knows the ship is hurtling towards high charity behind him but his gaze is dead fixed on Cortana because you know that's what he cares about in this instance he doesn't want to let her go he doesn't want to leave her behind and there's so much emotion in that scene and you don't even need to face it's all just in the shot composition and the order of shots and the length of shots right because if you hang on a certain shot for an unnormally long length of time it's kind of telling the audience something like oh there's like an extra little thing here I should be paying attention to in this case it's chief's affection for Cortana which he would never express through words like when he gets in the arc when I'm done with all this I'm implying that I'm going to come back and get you but he never gets to say it because Cortana says don't make a girl a promise you can't keep right exactly and lines like that don't make a promise you can't keep I mean there's all these like these epic kind of I don't want to say one liners because that makes it sound like bad like cheap writing or something it's just that all the dialogue works so well and then the the UNSC ship crashes and the flood comes out and then it throws you right into gameplay where you're shooting the flood and it's all charged by this emotional idea of like chief leaving behind the one grounding element that he's always had up until this point and it feels so epic right and that's I just wanted to be compelled as compelled by the narrative of the show as I was by the games and that's a shining example of how the games really got me gripped narratively like fuck this is awesome if I had gotten that feeling from the show even just once I would have a much better opinion of it you know but it's just so obviously inferior and the games did a much better job telling a story and it's like you know you have all these like apologists for the show we're just like oh shut up it's good okay it's good like it doesn't have to be exactly like the games and I'm just I don't expect it to be exactly like the games I'm just saying it should be equally just at least equally if not more compelling like if you're gonna make a a TV adaptation games in TV form that's just I don't know if there's anyone who was out there really saying it needs to be the games I just don't think there's that like it's not something that I feel is expected like people know that there will be changes that they're it's a new medium so it's going to be something different there's just nothing could be more or less than what the Halo you know original stuff was I don't think people kind of get that particularly at this point now that it's had time to simmer we've been describing as techniques not even it has to be one to just just talented ways we expected some level of artistry some storytelling and the more you think about Halo and a lot of the cut scenes and a lot of character interactions and lines the just the better it gets but the more you think about this series the worse and worse it's going to get you'll notice more and more problems you'll notice more and more issues you'll notice that you'll notice more and more that there's less to notice right so I cannot stand that the TV showrunners have neglected this cinematic content from the likes of like the Halo 2 cut scenes it's just like I would gladly watch these cut scenes back to back in a theater and enjoy that much more than the show that you have produced you know it pisses me off anyway that's that's my example that's my little bit I feel like I went on a little too long there I'm sorry about that but no that's fine that's exactly what we are here for okay thank you all I will say is that we did have that new policy at one point of trying not to make incredibly long episodes that doesn't mean we have stopped now I'm just saying I suppose there's a question for the Fringian rags do you feel we should put a time limit on how long before we should end the episode as long as it's not arbitrary we're out here for 7 hours right we're like nearly at 7 hours how wouldn't it be arbitrary though well I mean in the sense of we don't just pick X hours and end but keeping to the idea that yeah we don't want to go too long but it's more governed by our energy and what we're able to cover and finding a good stopping point not just setting a time and then strictly going with by that time I mean that's what the policy was about it's just an about of time then you I mean I could go but I'm fine with stopping I do not feel super strongly if you guys do then you go ahead and I will leave that to you YouTube cuts you off at 10 right if you've tried 1145 we're not close to that really okay I suppose it's a matter of how much given an amount of time how long do you think it would take to cover all of the super chats my guess would be 3 or 4 hours right which means it would be going for 11 hours what I'm saying is that we can decide to literally going against everything we're actually said go for like 2 hours if everyone's on board okay yeah sure yeah alrighty I'm gonna use the lure real quick and I'll be right back no problem you know what as well I'll try and scan through and make sure I catch anyone's that are directed for a ER since there's a good chance you won't be on another stream for a while possibly I wouldn't know I wouldn't like presume yeah I don't know if you're gonna push me into watching anymore stuff like this what if it's a good thing what if I'm like I'll watch this because that would be a nice base that really would be watch everything everywhere all at once you'll like that okay out of curiosity if you do end up watching that let me know what you think alrighty first one oh hey ER is here I can't wait for this insight well thank you my insight is that the show sucked yeah the same as everyone else's there's no limits on that it's like everyone all over the internet as well at least because there are people who are defending the show but like anyone who's um I know who's like critical of storytelling I haven't seen them praising the show I don't know what you'd be praising I don't know what you'd be identifying as really valuable I can handle stupid but I hate boring if it's boring like fuck off but like if there's a bunch of yeah okay well I think that's somewhere we differ like I'll gladly take stupid schlocky action because I think it's funny and I'll extract like entertainment out of that I would say it's contextual for me right because I love naked gun and multi python and stuff but like this show thinks it's smart so like whether the intent matches up with like yeah it's hard for me to what's being executed right even though well because to a degree there are certain scenes I did enjoy watching and the halo show if they did like really stupid things like him yelling while he's punching it's funny to me you know enjoying it in ways that they probably aren't happy with yeah they'd be annoyed looking at me they'd be like why are you laughing like can you take it seriously please I don't know you failed what ER is cute I want to be his little sister oh thank you that's very kind of uh is halo the worst video game adaptation ever made ooh hmm there's got to be some really terrible ones out there though right I don't think it's the worst one have you got anything against the mind like Resident Evil maybe uh that's up there I'd have to think more about it there's so many bad adaptations yeah exactly I mean it's not like I've watched a bunch just because video game adaptations you know I just saw Uncharted holy shit that movie suck balls Uncharted is pretty bad it's really I don't know what the correct casting on that one it's a hyper generic action-adventure movie with bad plotting and no character work so I don't know what you know kind of got nothing to offer oh no halo it's funny because halo is the least hard out of all of them to screw up I think well maybe Uncharted is I think Uncharted is actually is like less hard to screw up because it's so simple it's really not yeah it has a lot of story content but like something Super Mario Brothers still Super Mario movie with Bob Hoskins it's like there wasn't really much story material to mine from the NES game you know yeah that upcoming illumination one god damn it like I'm sure I'm not gonna like that Chris Pred is Mario do do do do do do sing the halo theme oh that's funny such a pity oh perfect timing because I was actually trying to read these out of order to save us because all the Ackman's gone now so this says which is better Quantum TV or the halo show tough question isn't it Rex Quantum TV better how would I quantify better Quantum TV is certainly consistent with himself he's a well-written character he's a better written villain but covered all I know about that guy is he's been giving YouTubers a hard time with copyright flags and shit short vision, ERs everything and more people criticize he fucking put out a dumb review of Elden Ring people criticized that he got upset because he wanted it off the internet like deleted and he's like you have my materials copyright blah blah blah he's been causing quite a ruckus it's gotten very much out of control if you look into it interesting off the rails you could say yeah find the halo win the war reminds me of save the cheerleader save the world oh yeah kind of I remember heroes season one pretty good as far as I remember I would really have to look back I only remember it's 2, 3, 4 awful I do remember that yes today's animal of the day is the eastern hell bender hell bender oh what is I've heard hell bender is that a salamander yeah I was thinking is that a snake or a salamander let me eastern hell bender it is an amphibian it's a little amphibian little uh oh flatty salamander boy it's flat fuck let me show you a picture of the hell bender slimy boy he looks like one of the little yeah he's one of the little guys that from halo the little wormy boys good him I bet that feels interesting to hold feels like a a wet very slightly not wrinkly like a wet wrinkly I don't want to compare it to that but like like a I don't know can do it you're gonna get there right? like maybe like a sausage with a really loose casing maybe a dick a wet wrinkly dick that you could just swing around and flop all over the place and you pull it out of the water and you're like oh what's this it's got legs he's a flat boy there I said it this next one says E.R. please try not to talk over everyone this time I'm so sorry if I did that you've been really talking too much throughout this whole thing you've been doing good though you are evolving as a critic E.R. I think they're just excited nice and fair I think you'll do a stream on everything everywhere all at once yes I do think that it might even be next week who knows no kidding me it'll get to the point where I'm actually going to have to think about whether or not we're still gonna do a mood night episode just like we can't we watched the whole thing we've watched the whole thing without we covered half of it kind of but no I'm not saying it's an impossibility that we still do moon night I'm just saying if it keeps getting pushed back it'll just be forgotten at some point well everyone will forget it then no one will know that we forgot because everyone will have forgotten it'll just disappear from human knowledge it'll be like one of those Mandela effect things yeah at one point I'm just like pretty sure we did do it right we're just like what we'll say in response is moon night what's what's that and then you will start to doubt your own sanity you'll say I don't know I don't know I just have that's weird I distinctly recall crocodile and his skull bird fighting next to the pyramids but it must have been a crazy dream that's the only real explanation that would never be in a show that we watched maybe that was in Halo who would have fit right in Halo the series it might happen yeah I could believe it also hi to everyone except rags also hi rags oh hi hello they said love the endgame vid oh thanks yeah that was good for you I really enjoyed that thanks I appreciate it this may be the biggest crossover ever with some of my favorite youtubers also hi rags hello we're grabbing up this lot to talk about video game another IP being shoveled onto onto the pile of oh no and it's so soon after talking about the game together yeah Halo Infinite was not not everything we were looking for but I think there was a loose plan that we had about talking about the Halo Infinite campaign at one point that was a legitimate plan that we had to do and that just died that plan died those plans can't come to fruition if literally nobody has an interest in talking about it turns out nobody cares yeah weird one it was thoroughly uncompelling it lost a lot of steam I thought it started off okay but fuck me the last half of it like just did not care anymore I just don't know what game should I stop at I've only played up to two you play three then ODST then reach and then you good alright and then you would stop and yeah you stop and smile because it happened there's contention over whether or not four is worthless right sure I don't really think it's got a whole lot that I would I mean it's definitely the better campaign that 343 has made but I would say that from a world building perspective a lot of what that game introduces is really a problem and there's something to be said about whether chief is even consistent with who he is anymore because of how much of a difference he is like a person I would just stop it reach just stop it reach you play one through reach and you've got like a really tight overall thing that comes full circle with reach it's a nice like almost close loop in a sense yeah Halo 4 is where they introduced like the covenant alternative in the Prometheans and then the composer and the didact and all that I just found all that boring it goes absolutely off the rails from that world building perspective because they introduced the whole yeah over generations we ensure that you master chief would be here at this moment like it just changes so much it starts to do like like promised like like prophecy slash chosen one stuff and it's just like don't just don't just one two three odst and reach and then and then that's great and that's great it's like a story like stories used to have a beginning and an end and then the story was told it wasn't that wonderful and lovely and that's kind of what it was it was the story that was it's all just so lovely I guess it's also worth noting that I think campaigns not very well designed from a gameplay perspective so there's that too all right all duly noted yeah good stuff yes welcome back act man welcome back e-semi-colon it's been how many episodes since you've been on act man let's find out you came on once before right think so oh wow I was early in the seds anyway well uh yeah this is kind of what I've meant by when we talk about certain guests like not having come back in a while I'm just like oh yeah just I don't know just stuff happens time just soldiers on you know slow down gets away from you the wolf days that's how long geez yeah that was uh what was hosting with us this show is the story 343 always wanted to tell I fucking hope not I don't think so I don't even think they would do this I think it is funny that they the sex scene was where they kind of said like they drew the line well as if everything up to then was hunky dory if everything was hunky dory except that that would be very bad news I think is like that yeah it is but I don't have much faith in their ability to tell stories or recognize good stories anyway but yeah at least we know where their line is yeah um any characters you expect to be introduced slash butchered in halo second season after what john said I'm assuming they'll do johnson and hobbits are probably johnson arbiter yeah probably johnson arbiter um I can see them getting Keith David for the arbiter voiceover because they'll probably do him CG right yeah being an elite well they ain't gonna do a puppet no they definitely don't oh I hope it's one of those shitty like sesame street puppets where you always see the arbiter you always see the arbiter behind like a wall or a boulder or something like that just enough to cut them off at the bottom so you can have the guy down there with the sticks dude it would be so expressive his head like wibbly wobbling yeah I'd love it do that it'll entertain me they have a one one stick for each little mandible but it's actually but Keith David is down there it's him Keith David's moving all the sticks and he's talking to do the little puppet above him so you can hear his voice coming out from behind the rock or the wall or the box whatever he's sitting on it was in Keith David's contract I will only voice him if you allow me to control the puppet they're like what are you talking about he's like dammit I will not do it right that's how that's how it's gonna be like Yoda right that's how it's gonna be that was the last movie he saw in the cinema was Empire he's just like I'm pretty sure he's doing it I don't know that's almost been a member of it 22 months I made a 36 month as well damn little thumbs up thank you so much impressive look at you so many chicken worshippers on this has got ER deeply appreciate you with some hearts oh well thank you I don't remember the Halo 4 forward until dawn movie I like the ending of that film how does that compare to the Halo TV show I don't know I can't start that I've never seen it rags I assume you haven't seen it I'm sorry the what Halo 4 forward until dawn movie forward until dawn now is that an anime or a CG thing you know for anything you talking about forward until dawn the yeah I think I remember saying that but I don't I couldn't say anything about it really okay I don't remember probably better I am interesting someone showed me this it's actually I guess the weird hyperlink thingy is working so I linked that article the one about how the Halo TV shows the gold standard of video game adaptations so the person who wrote that was Alyssa Mercante she has a master's degree in modern and contemporary literature at Newcastle University and she had tweeted I looked at her tweets earlier to see if she had applied to how people hate that article in the show and so on Twitter she's very upset that people don't like her garbage fucking tier article she had said this to get you into the mindset of people who think that this is gold standard material this show because I clicked on it and it looks like the account owner limits who can view their tweets stunning and brave hundreds of people men dragging gender into it needlessly so annoying when they do if you're one of the hundreds of people men commenting on my story saying hashtag Halo the series doesn't respect Halo you're a main game fanboy and that's it this show is full of book and lore references so unfortunately most people have only played the games and they were written I didn't deny the fact there's got references to the books and the lore whatever probably why would that the sequel trilogy references the OT pretty hardcore too what does that mean? the core is totally different what does that mean? most people have red books the last tweet in particular she's just coping and seething is good video game adaptations adapt they tell new stories in existing worlds the MCC collection that's like saying the SVD Draganov but the MCC collection is free on Game Pass just go play the games if you want wall to wall battles and a monosyllabic totem to masculinity okay seems like a lovely lady it's a bad adaptation and it's bad it's bad self I feel like that needs to be reiterated it's terrible for what it is it is not faithful and it is dumb as fuck if Halo doesn't exist beyond the show exactly it failed both tests okay which is you know yeah whatever anyway me seeing the act man and er return to efab those who said this day would never come and what are they to say now that's the truth line they were wrong non-believers truth says that not that specifically but close enough wow what a fantastic lineup hello everybody hello hello how goes it take my movie money is nothing good is out now but isn't the Northman still available like yeah see that really want you though everyone going to see that soon yeah everyone who's seen it recommends it as far as I know and same for everything everywhere all at once so if anything like now is a better time than has been for a few months you know uh I don't know how much all of you will care but after re-watching it I would like to do a review of ATLA I don't have a clue about editing though is there any advice on that front you could give why don't you go fist editing pretty good at it for what was it they're going to do a review of ATLA yeah some kids show about like dragons or something okay well I mean I use Sony Vegas I want to say 16 at this point I'm not sure and uh I I'm completely to self-taught YouTube tutorials have taught me everything that I freaking know so anything you need to know look it up on YouTube you'll figure it out keep going for it I basically got started making a bunch of little shitposts originally because that'll that'll expand your abilities and um yeah otherwise learn about copyright ID systems oh yeah are you going to make a review about anything on this goddamn site you have to get around those somehow yeah if you've been watching this stream you'll notice anytime I hit play on any of the footage from Halo there was a cap of five seconds every time I was like I did notice that it was one time I forgot to hit pause and I was like no no no no um but yeah both of them pretty strong bits of advice uh take each part piece by piece and I know that sounds a bit redundant but I guess what I mean is like split things up get them into uh consumable chunks of work instead of seeing it all as one big horrible project and you run away scared you'll be alright you can do it absolutely if Aussie then why we can't drive to it mmm you can drive on it mmm oh how convenient yeah I'd say it's pretty convenient otherwise it'd be really hard to get around also Mola did you know that Metal Gear Rising is your city if that is a request for me to play that game I'll get around to it on a stream I played it for a little bit before and I liked it so Metal Gear Rising repentance that's the one that's a great game highly recommended high act man high rags and high Hitler oh hey I mean not that I'm responding to that they probably thought you were act man so you're just like it's a problem you're not Hitler are you no better not be Mola did you trick me hahaha uh John 117 I need a weapon cuck 117 I need a tissue chief loses his v card and dies laugh my ass off kinda have you guys heard about apparently him having sex was like a bridge too far for loads of fans they were like I don't fucking want to see Master Chief have sex with somebody you've broken my and I was just like I mean really awful up to that point but okay like I guess that could be a breaking point and fairness to them he does get killed for it yeah yeah the show understands the sin he's committed PSA for abstinence right there wouldn't exactly say it was a shock to be honest either I mean you got these a man and a woman they're both blessed ones and they're both like ones on the alien side ones on the coming to side they're totally gonna do a thing where they fucking kiss or something and it felt like with every scene they were together before they had done that it felt like the writer was standing in the scene to pointing at them going look how close they are look how physical they are and you're just like yeah I know I know what you're doing surprise anybody if you're looking for a decent show to watch I recommend checking out Severance on Apple TV heard that was good a couple people recommended that wings quo what was that sorry go for it so what were you saying I said I'm only watching a Better Call Saul which is a fantastic by the way great show here Better Call Saul is like it almost sometimes feels like all of media currently or most of it is like this crazy clown world VR system I'm in and then I take the goggles off and I'm like let's watch Better Call Saul remember when TV wasn't shit and like weird yeah it's like being teleported to another time another age yeah I guess it's Vince Gilligan is the key to that like he's the show itself feels like it's almost out of time at this point yeah let's watch something that's actually properly story written carefully wild wings quo to the day ban all forms of laughter in the chat wow so um I guess his fans had to find ways of laughing without it being obvious that is an emojis maybe no lawling no lamowing no ruffling definitely oh you better not ruffle bonus quote I'm gonna start removing mods if I don't see more bans oh my god I wonder how many people have been banned on his stream in total probably like thousands maybe even million on his stream wings of redemption oh yeah yes yes I've heard of that the legend himself long man in code you have a particular trope in stories you really dislike example a character knows important information but when asked you'll just say I can't tell you right now for plot reasons oh yeah we got loads of these right one of the famous ones is closing the distance the gun will just get really close and have it taken off them yeah like it's an attempt to stab the person yeah I hate that it bugs me immensely I think the one that I might hate the most is there's a lot I know up there is chosen one and destiny really under just mentioned bad guy killing subordinates that's one of our favorites for no reason at all a bad guy will just kill this subordinate I'm gonna go amnesia I hate amnesia well I happen to love spider-man 3 so I don't know why I use it because you have amnesia in spider-man 3 yeah he hits harry at the head really hard that he has amnesia forgets he's the green goblin or hobgoblin whatever and uh I think that's a little bit goofy it's hilarious maybe okay goofy goofy amnesia I'll take it he'll take goofy amnesia alright it's goofy only until he starts dancing then it's like oh okay this is super this is legit yeah that's how you knew it was Kino as they say I'm picking up your gun only to take a knife out of the stalk and throw it that was one of the best things that's ever happened let's book a boba fat oh wow she picks a sniper rifle up looks like she's gonna aim it but then she pulls a knife out of the back of it and throws it at the piss alrighty then I never saw that one is that worth a watch book a boba fat you know what I'll say is worth a watch the complete coverage on moola from us I edited them all together it's like a 7 hour video it gets you through the whole show but with us as company okay noted I love that the great show uh the people who are unironically saying this show was good are Olegianus Kweefwaffles oh that's lighting commentary I'm just like what is that weird have you seen that before? Olegianus? Olegianus? let's see no idea that is a new one yeah I don't know yeah rich in all covered with or producing oil alright alright yeah I mean yeah yeah I'm impressed I guess it's like they're very slippery with their arguments I guess is their what's their suggesting uh being pro life and a halo fan I am adamantly against this show oh do you mean because it like can kill people just from watching it die of boredom my neat animal is the chipmunk mostly because I want you to look at pictures of chipmunks chipmunks are pretty great we got chipmunks around here they're great they're good stuff chipmunks are very cute does anybody not like chipmunks I'm pretty sure they're chill right people who are wrong don't like them hmm yeah let me grab a little picture satisfy the super shanax adorable aww aww oh people say no because the show's an abortion it's like that's another way you can take that joke oh there's more than one way guys jeez hard um they changed Cortana from a chip to a brain implant so she could talk to cheeks without a helmet they literally changed Cortana's dynamics to compensate for them not having cheeks wear his helmet the thing is though that implies like this is the only thing that I take issue with with that theory because I actually do think it's 100% on the mark but the funny thing is they care so little for things making sense that I don't even know why they wouldn't have just thought fuck it uh it doesn't like he doesn't need to be in if someone said on sale when they were writing this like she has to be implanted in him because otherwise we can't take the helm off as much wouldn't they just say like she just projects out of the suit whatever yeah like I don't think I would stop these writers if you know what I mean like you know John was just saying uh in his uh final thoughts about the the scene where he has to leave Cortana behind on high charity that wouldn't be possible in the show right because she's like in his brain but her being in a chip that he has to put into things means that she those two might not be together and he might have to go get her or leave her behind potentially and that changes what can happen in a plot and it can create a separation between the two especially when you're so used to having her and she's not there anymore that can have an odd feeling uh when you suddenly realize that oh she's not here she's she's somewhere else we gotta go get her that's a great point because halo infinite did that exactly in its opening where the chip gets knocked out of him and he's like it like slides across the floor and he's like trying to reach for it and then atriox grabs him and slams it slams him against the warthog it's like so it gives you that opportunity for visual tension where chief it gets separated from the chip and he's trying to get it back right like that's now impossible because it's a brain thing because of our shit the Ryan is in the show season two for all we know they'll not only bring chief back but he'll get hit by a fucking blast of lightning and it'll separate her and him into the tech in his suit and then she'll get converted back into a chip or something like that just but they could do that because they don't give a fuck about committing to any of this I'm sure it'll make the halo fans happy the technology in that show broadly is all over the place like you have that fucking bio reader on the ship where they stick their arm in and they have to identify themselves like this like it's me John one one seven it's like you're probably connecting to the unse network that probably knows who you are you have to fucking say your name and then it says like status critical I'm like well what does that mean he's still walking around he's fine and then like that weird thing where you know keys in the admiral they're in that kind of projection room where they sit in chairs and they put those things on their foreheads and then they turn into avatars who can eavesdrop on conversations in other rooms as like a digital avatar that real people can't see like what the fuck is going on that's just a writing solution on it like immediately they're like we need to get them in there but we need them to not be seen they have a little stalkery pervert sweet yeah it's so obviously such a rushed improvised idea you know whatever Lord Longbong of Mewbchlington Abbey have you given any more thought to a Kongfap of Peter Jackson's Longkong when there's less going on there'd be a movie fap for the ages yes and we're wagsies scritches for the good boy oh thank you yeah I'd say we're very interested in doing that sometime yeah on board of that a little longkong put it in there there goes one day unironically 343's first attempt at Halo show slash movie forward unto dawn was way better and understood chief better I'm gonna be honest with you I don't know if I'm way better but well that's the problem though isn't it if it's a four I guess you could say that's way better I don't understand yeah um yeah I'm so confused they made Captain Keys black but a race sergeant Johnson from existence if they wanted black representation why not just include this fan favorite character as I said I actually think John's right they're gonna maybe save Johnson to help promote season 2 I don't know yeah I could have been in the idea I gotta save some of their load for the headlines to build up season 2 hype I really don't understand what they're thinking on going with season 2 here after you know murdering the main character you'll be back there they know they knew considerably ahead of time that they were greenlit for season 2 you know so it's like they're planning with that in mind right they know they have the second season in the can like they're going to alright just such a bizarre way to end it if so you know yeah I wanted to end with like a shot of Halo you know like oh there it is Halo like Halo the show you know we still don't the season 1 is finished now and we don't really know that much about Halo as it exists in the shows it does feel like it relies on game knowledge to be honest with you it definitely does even I relies on the games yet takes a big shit on it at the same time I know I know because even I like some people will like oh yeah wasn't more suspicious because he's not as invested in Halo but I know enough about Halo to fill in a lot of blanks where I'm not even aware that I'm filling in the blanks you know what I mean like when they reference certain things and I'm just like oh yeah I know what that is and then I'm like oh wait no I shouldn't know what that is if this is just the show but yeah they do that a lot yeah please read the pokedex entries for Malamar Malamar I assume he's evil but Malamar and they don't have a specific pokedex entry just in general I guess let's take a look here let me take a look pokedex gazing at its luminescent spots will quickly induce a hypnotic state putting the observer under Malamar's control it's in the villains wiki huh let me do Malamar Malamar pokedex I'm trying to hypnotize you bro let's see Malamar is a dark psychic Malamar wields some of the strongest hypnotic powers of any pokemon and can make its opponents bend to its will oh we have the different pokedex entries on okay pokemondb.net is where to go it has the pokedex entries in different versions it said that Malamar's hypnotic powers played a role in certain history changing events when it comes to strong hypnosis there's an endless number of people who utilize Malamar for their nefarious deeds whoa this is the one they might be referring to it lures its prey close with hypnotic motions then wraps its tentacles around it before finishing it off with digestive fluids oh no ugh gross I am bogeyman I kind of mind control you ended the main character should be called jimmy rings 7-1-1 yeah that's suitable go with it how does it feel to have lived long enough to see all your favorite franchises go down in flames it's a beautiful quote isn't it feels great they did the hunter's dirty in the show feels like they contractually had to show the aliens but didn't want to so they showed the hunter's leg and checked the box same with the halo ring weapons etc yeah maybe a little bit they had a smart laser on a hologram and it's like why can't we why don't we get to see you use it yeah I like how the show thinks that's more boring they're like yeah let's focus in on kites like no you know I want to listen to vannik and ruz talk about how they are like coordinating weapons and maintaining them and changing like the temperatures and stuff that's more interesting to me then hey look I put some gun grease in my hair and it died yeah I would like to learn a little bit of how this world works something this show desperately needs is to explain itself yeah it needs to explain itself you you owe me many explanations I don't like how it like you only see the hunter's actually and it largely ignores the grunts which are arguably I think the most comedic of all the alien races among the covenant but while they're also trying to do a grounded political drama in like the UNSC side of things this show was the point of the map if you were to introduce a scene amongst that where you see a bunch of grunts with their high pitched squeaky voices you know talking about something funny like I think they kind of tried to ignore that deliberately cause they knew the under serious story exactly and they understood the incompatibility with what they wanted to do with what halo is actually associated with which is these like kind of borderline comedic or full-on comedic pulpy kind of fun comic book elements you know the games definitely have a lot of camp in them which I think people have forgotten is like those games had some like genuinely funny moments in them they have fun even while balancing a tone that is serious because it's possible you can be comedic and dramatic at the same time yeah but yeah I don't think they were interested cause it was like well no we can't have goofy little grunts that's not in our smart intelligent show like it's not gonna fit in they can't go ahead you have the opportunity to have the you have the grunts and you have the jackals and you have the elites and all that sort of thing you could all of them are different they're working towards the same goals but they're all different in how they behave and how they sound and that would be a neat thing to portray how the Covenant get along with each other but I guess that's not really something they care about all that much yep how did Steve Rogers know that Bucky killed Tony's parents so you start with Winter Soldier and it's something you can piece together with the info dump that are the the German AI or I don't think it was from Germany, I forgot his name is Zola Zola is the name of the guy yeah Zola first they point out that the Winter Soldier is being used for all kinds of hydro projects and then they list a whole bunch of them including targets that needed to be taken out and among them is the stocks I think you could connect it with that but I would say the most definitive information probably came from Bucky himself when he told TAP about the things that he's done presumably that would give it away because like the airport scene is after yeah yeah it's about halfway through Civil War right that they get Bucky to tell him all about the other Winter Soldiers so there's a good chance that when he was describing that story that him having killed the stocks probably came up but yeah those are two ways Steve could piece it all together I suppose or outright be told I found Kai's way of interacting with the world after she took out her pill thing super interesting John just seemed to question more things while writhing in pain far too often haven't seen episodes 8 and 9 they do seem to behave quite differently he just dyed her hair yeah done great what the hell is that I mean the actress was often looking pretty like like she was high a lot of the time kind of yeah like she was just aloof lost distant but hi yeah that's a good way to describe it she seemed like she was just kind of can't say I liked either of the it's just not the way I would expect things to run out once you remove an emotional inhibitor I don't know it's specifically for the kind of people they are and what histories they've had so and if she takes out the pellet presumably she would want to keep it secret in which case why the fuck would she dye her hair it's like to make it exactly oh that she might have taken out her pellet she picked it out because of the hair what the hell and her acting is another example of like it might come down to bad direction where the director has come to her and said look the chip's out of you now so now you gotta be like really wide-eyed and weird in all your scenes directors and writers are a hell of a lot more accountable for the story here than the actors are you remember when he like demands to know what her name is to Halsey yeah I was the guy that had like options for Halsey it would just be funny if she was like Jane why would she assume that like John is John they call him John he had a question whether or not he has this yeah what was set Kai on thinking she didn't have her actual name I don't know I have no idea okay um someone defended a strange not using a sling ring in the opening by saying plot holes of the stupidest way that's not a defense then if you're gonna go with plot holes of the stupidest way to look at a movie yeah because they said ultimately it's all contrived oh are they doing that argument where someone wrote it therefore it's contrived or something you got me why is everyone I talk to a cabbage I'm sorry about that well this is the thing if you have a friend who loves watching movies and talking about them um it's time they hate a movie wait for them to point out how something doesn't make sense that's just a really natural thing a lot of people will do when they don't like a thing they'll be like what did I not like about it and then it's gonna be how something is incongruent with something else and be like hey don't you dare I'll be doing that story it's all contrived or ultimately just you know if they really don't care about contrivances then yeah that's that's up for them let's turn your brain off dude you hate fun or something yes I do uh the other side of the halo would not be obstructed by the blue of the sky as in the vision i.e. we can see the moon during the day keep up the good content love your work the acting male in e-fab I'm so glad that you brought that up it's something I felt like I'm imagining a photography I was so unimpressed with the reveal of the hacker and what I thought there was a long tracking shot that was spin around chief and as it spins around like we say the sky you just see the surface of the ring shooting up into the sky just like drift into interview I thought we'd do it like that instead of just having a hard cut to the surface it's like why would you do that well remember the um in the it's the opposite the halo reveal is opposite than it is to the games where in the games you discover halo because you you're in a spaceship you're looking at it from the outside first you're like wow look at that and in this you see it first from the inside out which is interesting as a choice because I don't know what you as like a viewer would pull from that you know like if you didn't know what halo was in the games I don't know if you would know what to make of a where's this weird place is this like a weird planet are they what's this a weird space because the first introduction to halo in the game is is is you it's the pan on the pillar of autumn it moves past and then halo is there next to it's it's very clear it's like you mentioned at one point it's a weapon they don't but why would they think that they that's actually kind of an issue that I have a good reason for it yeah they don't believe it's a weapon everyone assumes it's a weapon that can do what they want it to do they don't think that some especially when you when you see it you're like oh it's not it looks like a big hoop in space that's a weapon what does have like a gun on it or you know it doesn't look like what you you would associate a weapon with right it's a reveal that halo was a weapon and then it's a reveal that halo is a weapon that fucking kills everybody but yeah the the name sake of the whole IP is sort of it I don't think they did a good job kind of explaining or revealing its existence or what it is it relies a lot on the games absolutely yeah like I know it's a weapon because I'm familiar with halo but why do the characters in the show think that what do they have to what do they possibly have to my favorite part is now the reason why it's called halo is because she translates sacred ring and they're like sacred ring halo and then they go oh it's like you don't deserve it's not your music it's not your it doesn't belong to you yeah I wonder how intuitive it it even is to you when you hear the word sacred ring you go oh halo like a halo an angel has I don't know that you would necessarily do that is it a halo of sacred ring yeah I mean it's not what my mind would jump to it's the sacred ring anus anus Jesus is anus they made a mistake because the covenant call is a sacred ring but like the humans call it halo independent of the name sacred ring they call it a halo because it looks like a halo it's not necessarily a connection between sacred ring and halo I don't know that like halos are that sacred they're just things that appear over an angel's head you know I guess they're pretty cool yeah it just denotes the holiness of a person essentially yeah angels and saints and that sort of thing but to my recollection they fucked up the halo reveal in the show as well because like when you know it does that panning shot where John finds himself on the halo and then it does that like tilt slash pan shot where you see the halo like up in the sky it kind of disappears into the atmosphere you know what I mean where you can't see the most distant part of it up in the sky it like just fades out like a gradient I'm just like why would you do that like part of part of what I liked about the first game so much is looking up into the sky and seeing like the opposite end of the halo ring you know what I mean? I assume during the night you'd be able to see it clearly during the day I guess depends on the thickness of the atmosphere and the the sun you know how much light it gets there may be some atmospheric factors that are at play there where it's like well it's scientifically accurate that you can't see it I'm not sure I gotta say as well I'm pretty sure that just based on the sort of distances of the ring that it's a hell of a lot smaller in the show accidentally than it is in the game I think that was a mistake like you because in the game it gets quite thin as it gets distant because this is a huge thing whereas in the show it's like I don't know man like how how big is this like maybe a hundred kilometer diameter maybe like I don't know it doesn't look very big yeah I'm I'm gotta look at the some of the scenes from the games because I just can't remember that you know a detail like that off the top of my head so I need to find some I remember Silent Contographer was the one that like gave you a really good view of the sea and gave you like a really big view of the big old ring because it's yeah I just have to kind of look and reacquaint myself with it but I yeah the because I feel like I think about what would I do if I woke up and I saw that on the horizon I would probably look the opposite direction I'd look this way like oh shit that's not it's going that's not that's like the opposite of what a horizon normally does and then I'd look behind me and see the other side and then I'd look up I guess that just seems most intuitive to me and I don't know it's no that would be the time maybe to have the the shaky handheld cam to sort of simulate you being there with him as he looks around at it instead of this very gentle pan instead of what I what maybe should be confusion because this is unlike any construct that a human being has ever been on ever for runners notwithstanding but the I don't know I feel like it could have been done better particularly in the sense that you're mentally sent there your consciousness is either there physically or you get a vision of it but it's a vision that you can interact with I don't know it's I don't know I just don't I just don't know I just don't know any of this it's all just madness yeah those visions are so fast in the show this suck I don't care oh look we're on the ring out in that nice you don't even know what it is it's like such a cheap way of getting characters on the halo ring without actually like going to being there yeah yeah like I why why can't you have one of the big things at the end of the first season is them learning about halo exactly it's not something that they like oh here's a vision of halo while you know me in the middle of season that's the big thing you hold on to it and then you put the two pieces together and it reveals a map but if you hold on to one piece for a long time it teleports you to the surface why would it do that I feel like the last scene of mentally teleports you there right? as far as we know you could be I don't know it seems so magical at this point I'm ready for them to reveal anything is totally valid you know yeah I feel like the last scene of the season should have been basically the open and cut scene for halo comic evolved where they do the slip space jump and it's like oh shit there's halo cut to black right because I think like the reach getting glass happens before they discover that first halo ring right or insulation yeah yeah reach so that's the pillar of autumn is fleeing they're escaping halo yeah they're escaping reach they assume reach is going to get glassed once everyone leaves that's the assumption and then reach is getting glossed and reach like new alexandria gets glossed hey reach city yep oh yeah reach city why would they do that you guys just wasted you could have done something creative or reach city on plan reach I hope the person who wrote that had a cap of face when he did it he was just like this is going to be so shit lol what can I get away with we need a name for a city in reach any ideas do you think there's a place holder and they never changed it like the plasma pistol they didn't paint the text version of that the guy who checked it was like that sounds right reach city yeah it's really funny to think that like in reach they put in enough effort to even have names for the different continents on this planet like different ice shelves and everything and then it's like yeah no it's reach city on the planet of reach and you think it's the only city on reach given how like little there's reference to anywhere else everywhere at all yeah this world was so small when it should feel massive the game you go here and then you go here and then you go here there are different places in reach that you go to this I mean it's you see a lot of different terrain you go to the mountains and then you're in the city and then you got kind of the the planes by the ocean they got the arctic spots too it's just yeah the ice shelves for like where also you go to fucking space there's so many and it's and it's again a video game that had a lot more interesting cinematography than the show ever did yeah like reach has really cool cinematography there's a there's a thing in development for film and television where you have a production Bible before you go on to the screen play phase and the production Bible contains all the information on characters locations objects well any kind of prop or person that's going to play a role in the thing and just elaborate explanations as to what everything is and relationships between one another I don't think they did that at all with this I think 343 had their own and they said hey here's our Bible if you want to have a look at it and they're like yeah we're not going to do that we're just going to go straight to the script not even look at our fucking your Bible or create our own no thought into the world building it's just like one screenplay to the next for them edgy comment time this show is like acting kerosene and laxatives into the veins of oh my unborn infant by a basketball pump through the mother's thoracolumbar fascia muscle complete nut of pain yeah that sounds like pain yeah it sounds like it could hurt a fair amount yeah won't disagree with you there why is master chief such a female dog no offense rags well I mean some dogs be like that but uh the way rags and freaks talk about halo is the same how I felt about moon night as a fan of the comics from what I gather the moon night comics are all the best of them anyway leagues ahead of the show guys should just run back to them point okay safe haven you know they say it anyway first time super channel so I wanted to thank you all for making great content thank you very much read more of your favorites from moon night don't need to watch the show stay away my smile just grew as big as eeyars seeing him back aw pretty white smile there buddy guys say I love whenever one of you guys puts out a new video that's something I'm working on I've been on YouTube for a long time but I've kind of been so focused on my own stuff but now I'm I'm dedicating time to like appreciating the work other people do it sounds so fucking stupid because it's so obvious that there would be other people like me like creating content stuff but I'm just like focusing on that now and like rags you put out that video on the orcs mauler you put out that black widow video you put out that end game video I watched your video on halo your recent upload and you talked about like how fucking stupid the dialogue was of like what's her name main character kwan how fucking dumb it was and that's such a critical moment for us to like get on board with the character you know and her dialogue is so stupid that it just makes us not connect with her at all and then we're supposed to be invested in her by the time the action scene comes along and it's terrible like and I throw your guys stuff on whenever I'm working on stuff like if I'm shooting like an rb in the chief thing in my room like that takes fucking hours and hours and hours to do and it's like I'll throw something like your content on and have it playing in the background and it's in the raw audio of the camcorder but like I'll overwrite that with like uniquely recorded ambience and sound effects and all that but like I'll have that playing in the background and it keeps me occupied and entertained and you guys are fucking you make great shit for obviously the chief footage that you're using in the video has like real war in the background oh yeah all my raw audio like the camcorder audio just like full of stuff playing in the background just to keep me dying of boredom I guess that makes sense because it probably does take hours just to shoot all that footage yeah it's like the whole day in my room basically it's sad but I have you guys to keep me interested it's really cool yeah as I was going to say it was really nice for saying what you said but then at the same time it's like you already know me and Fringy have watched this stuff for a long time I still don't remember what house I was in when I first found Albie the chief but it's like three houses to go chief on the library school I remember making sure you had your headphones on dude me and my friends is like I remember it was like an emotional high for a tv show when the kid ended up going to social services and stuff that was how they defeated one of the main sort of villains we were just like damn I actually got a funny story on this I was watching it on a computer in class it was like a spare period where I could do whatever I wanted I was meant to be doing work but I wanted to watch it I didn't have my headphones though and I was watching the cheaters episode and I thought I had the audio quiet enough that nobody would hear but then it got up to the part where like the bungee employee with the bad hammer looks at chief and he's like what do you have to say for yourself I was like it was so loud and then I just was practically pressing to put the volume down while it was screaming like how long did you think your little cheating spree was going on you bitch remember to bring headphones if you want to listen to like I'll be in the chief he never know what is going to get very loud that's so awesome thank you for sharing that I really appreciate that that was so cool that was stupid I should have put I don't know what I was thinking I don't know why I thought nobody would hear that and you are are you working on hard justice maybe right isn't that something you might be doing I'm developing it and I haven't confirmed it yet because I don't want to do that until I've got a script finished I wish that was a thing that would occur in the actual in Hollywood you know what I mean they wait until they've developed something well no that's not the Marvel Studios way you create the project first and then you find the writers to make it and then you give them a couple of months and then you're already shooting you're good to go yeah part of the reason I'm developing it is because I think hard justice my first seasons are so terrible but there's something about like the characters in that situation where I looked back on it in retrospect and I'm like you know I could I could do better with this you know like I could actually write something cool and do something with this and redeem the shittiness of the previous seasons what is it about the previous seasons what is it about just unwell not well thought out and making it up as I went along ah right part of that was pressure from machinima part of that was a lack of discipline on my part because I was still learning to write at that point you know if you're having a writer every like week or two to try and figure it out while you're like having to do that yeah every week without a plan I imagine would be really difficult to create something that's like super duper cohesive yeah I remember enjoying them a lot but I guess it might be that the plot is like I'm not sure how well the plot would hang together I guess if you have to try and write it as you go along surprising amount of my audience do dig them and I'm so appreciative of that and I don't mean to like you know shit on their perception of it like I just can't help but look back on that work and go like I could have done better than that I feel like I can do better and I'm trying to write something and I'll confirm it once I finalized like a series of scripts like I have a season's worth of episodes that are pretty pretty cool I like the story yeah so I didn't mean to derail it off a halo I like your guys's content I want you to know that we like yours and I'm glad that you're interested in maybe seeing other people means that we'll be able to hang out with you more who knows it's kind of funny I have Ryan Johnson to thank for being able to meet people like you and it's a weird situation to me it's like was it worth the destruction of Star Wars and I'm like maybe it's all worth it Halo ODST greater than Halo show yes I don't think anyone would disagree with that maybe Halo ODST is better than a lot of things I don't have a great recollection of it but I gotta play it again I think I don't think I'm giving it a fair shake I know I need to I'm probably gonna I know before I eventually get around to a Halo video because I hate this show a lot and I want to talk about it I'll end up playing through the games again one because I just should but it'll be good to revisit a lot of the things I have fond memories of and every time I go back to play a level or two with a friend or whatnot it's always like good memories and just fun time it holds up really well yeah ODST is it's another one that feels like it slots into the Halo 1 camp of being a story beginning middle end nice and cohesive fun characters in banter kind of an interesting mystery great atmosphere I was saying I was hearing OST and I was like yeah I love the music I love the Halo 1 what are you talking about that's badly written it's funny because I haven't looked back on it in a fond way like I remember it kind of being a bit dull relative to the other games but in looking back on it like analyzing the structure of it like it's got kind of this almost open world structure to it where you go off and you initialize these different like sub stories of like different soldiers you find there like data things whatever I think the main question you need to ask when you revisit OST is do you like jazz well it's definitely it's probably the most unique score in the series because like Reach is definitely not quite like the other games but it has a little bit more involvement with them and OST really unexpected I mean it's like jazz infused it might be my favorite like individual soundtrack in that series I adore it it definitely has its own identity but it's one of my favorite tracks yeah absolutely whereas Halo the series has its own identity in a horrific way it do be having what's right also rags Bible verse of today ooh let's take a look let's see Bible verse of the day alright I always use verseoftheday.com so today's Bible verse is first Corinthians chapter 1 verse 10 I appeal to you brothers in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ that all of you agree with one another so that there may be no divisions among you and that you may be perfectly united in mind and thought is this about about film discussion about the last Jedi I don't know Jesus I'm sorry Jesus I can't do it I'd actually like to take this let's try David I'd like to take this opportunity to point out kind of a half-assed biblical reference in this I mean Halo is full of biblical reference right biblical references like the games like you have the Halo it's always depicted above the holy divine figures the idea of the flood Noah's Ark and all that at the covenant there's yes there's all these like terms and ideas that are rooted in religion and that's something that I always kind of liked about Halo is it tried to like bring science and religion together in this like kind of sci-fi action story and there's a moment in the show and I don't think it's by accident where after they capture McKee they the number of the room that she is in is 316 right and then they have they have they have John you see where I'm going with this you have John going into room 316 that has to be like that's like the most commonly cited verse ever isn't it you're exactly right Fringy and I think that's why it's there so the Bible is made up of the Old Testament and the New Testament right and the New Testament is divided up into four Gospels which are each accounts of the life of Jesus according to four different people like I might be inaccurate about this feel free to correct me but they're Mark, Luke and John yeah those are the New Testament yeah those are the four Gospels but the New Testament is the Gospels to the end because it's all this stuff like um actually I can't remember but yeah sorry what do you mean rags by to the end to the end of the Bible Luke and John there's other books as well it's not just those more that everybody knows about right yeah so that'll be like all the Paul the letters of Paul to the Romans Galatians sorry that was our Bible verse of the day we have Corinthians first Corinthians and second Corinthians all the way to the end of Revelation if that's in the Bible or not depends on which version I know like the Dewey Reims is different versions than the King James and all sorts of stuff like that but yeah it's half and half ish Old Testament, New Testament but the Gospels are their own four thing the room was 16 and they had John go into it sorry I'm so stuck on that that is an interesting I guess like it's clever only in the sense of huh not I don't because I'm trying to think of what it means other than it just being like a huh sort of thing like that cute yeah yeah it has that I mean someone thought about something on I guess what would be really funny is if it was the one that Homer referenced and you remember Matthew swear you won 63 like and he went to the town and he lodged there it's like yeah think about it that'd be funny think about it out of your curiosity because you said John went into 316 I looked up John 117 it is at least in the new international version for the law was given through Moses grace and truth came through Jesus Christ so it's totally irrelevant but I was just curious well I think that 117 might act also be referring to the corresponding verse like you know when Bungie conceived the number and the character there's a lot of meaning to the numbers in the games because it's like all of the monitors are 7 then it's 7 squared then cube then quadrupled right well how do you interpret the numbers 117 right is it chapter 1 verse 17 or chapter 11 verse 7 it could be let me take a look you could take 117 and then be like oh like so the law was given through Moses but grace and truth came to Jesus Christ oh so that's like an old thing that was like believed to be you could twist that into anything but John 117 said oh yeah then after this he said to the disciples let us go to Judea again you can make something out of both of them you probably could yeah there's a verse for everything this is what I mean like with the halo that's kind of absent now listen to these names for the monitors like god damn these names are interesting 0000 tragic solitude the caretaker of installation 00 which is the arc which is like not even in the galaxy 001 shamed instrument 007 portrait witness and then 031 exuberant witness I think that's 343 so I'll give them that one I guess and then there's 343 guilty spark 2401 pentadict tangent it's like damn there's a lot of cool names how are they given these names in universe by the four I think the four runners gave them their names um despondent pyre it's like these are cool names and then look at this the warden oh yeah awesome 343 good job I was gonna say out of all the words you just mentioned the warden sounds the labest I mean the covenants certainly have poetic names to everything that they have wow in amber oh wait no that's it's true the reconciliation yeah there's a lot of cool names in halo oh yeah long night of solace sublime transcendence ascendant justice infinite sucker um and then you have in this game uh in this show instead of forward onto dawn it's stalwart dawn it's like it's not as good it's fine stalwart dawn it's like gladius it's like okay yeah it's just it's not as good as stalwart dawn but yeah it's one of those like gladius is like oh the the latin word for sort is like okay I feel like I've heard that too many times now where we need to retire that for a bit you know yeah while I have in the cool character the cool shadow let's just let you come shadow so I appreciated their religious references in the games even if it was on like kind of a pop culture surface level understanding of what it is but the the show takes it to an extra level of stupid it just doesn't make sense like that that example where mckay is in room 316 and john goes into room 316 and there's a shot where he exits the room and it's like john is in the frame and then the door closes behind him and it says 316 on it so you're meant to I think thank john 316 that's what the writers intended and it is like you were saying fringy one of the most popular urses by far because it's well known for um encapsulating the the bible fully because it yeah it's what people hold up on the signs at sporting events that's the most it's the it's the motto if you could say it's a jesus's motto and out of out of the four gospels um john was the one that gave an accounting of jesus where it deified him the most and it was vague about how he existed as a human being like the other three matthew mark and luke I think they gave accounts of jesus that were very kind of earthly and grounded where it was like oh he went over here and he bought a sandwich and then he went into the cave you know what I mean like just like I'm being hyperbolic trying to be funny about it but it's just like the john gospel was much more abstract and like calling him god like and yeah referring to referring to him as god as if he's like not even human you know I think it's I think it's john uh yeah yeah john is yeah because he says that's where he says uh that he and the father are one uh right compares himself because he calls himself like I am and the reference like the burning bush thing which just direct translation isn't that impressive but yeah you you guys might might know more about it than me I did a little bit of research into it because I was curious but I found this out that like the gospel of john gives the most abstract deified account of the story of jesus and it's because of that abstraction and vagueness that it gets applied to characters in pop culture such as master chief in this case right but the mapping onto it doesn't really work as like well what are you saying that john is jesus but in the bible john isn't jesus john is just a guy that gave an account of the life of jesus he was an observer like I mean I don't know maybe you guys know better you can correct me if I'm wrong but like and also the idea of the blessed ones seems to be incompatible with this as well because like the gospel of john is referring to this idea of jesus the savior as the singular entity but then you have two blessed ones in the show in the form of mckay and john the spartan so it's like it's one of those I feel like it's one of those things that the writers worked in where they're just going to be like people are going to dig this because it's deep like the bible but then you analyze it for like 10 seconds and that doesn't make a lot of sense I mean the this thing when you're working with something as broad and open to vast interpretation as the bible is you can do all kinds of stuff because there is in the I'm sorry I forget the book but we all know blessed are the peacemakers for instance and she's called like no that's protector I'm getting it all never mind take it back but yeah there's tons of blessed people depends on how far you want to go with blessed and I blessed Mary or saints or just generally blessed are the pure in heart blessed are those who blessed are the blessed are the blessed are the meek and everything like that yeah yeah I don't really know what it was trying to do with that reference I think it was just like a intellectual attempt to like see to seem deep and like you know to be steeped in religion when it's not really that sophisticated yeah because I don't know what it would be like referring to who is God in the situation who is the one and only son in the situation what is eternal life in the situation what is the otherwise perishing that is being saved from referring to you have to try and connect a lot of things and I don't see the connection yeah like I for the forerunner so loved the world that they gave or I guess the forerunner so loved the universe that they gave the halos so that whoever except the halos killed you so yeah that's the thing it's hard to shall not perish but you definitely do perish I was about to offer the original quote but you're already interpreting it in halo terms but yeah for God so loved the world that he gave his one and only son whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life right holds this hammer so this idea of believing in somebody and you will have immortality basically if you just believe in this one person the one person being master chief who is the savior I don't think halo goes any further than just some references to you know the you know the Christian mythology and the symbolism that's very prevalent in our culture that seems pretty normal that you would want to reference things that people might be like oh okay there are seven ooh seven sacred rings sevens it's a holy number particularly well I mean the reason why there are seven rings is actually because seven is like the company number for bungee that's why all of the there were seven like the for the seven squared and then cubed for the monitors it's just they like seven that's all there is to it well but is there any origin for that within their company that relates to it? I think they just like it I think that's all there is it was something to do with marathon I think the game that they made one of their because the logo for the reclaimer is the marathon logo there's a lot of things where it's just that's neat like that's I think that's all that there is to it right it's like referencing there like bungee's history as a game developer yeah well it's I think well yeah that's I mean only the organization I'm pretty sure is just a reference to only like the game that they made as well that's that's right yeah I forgot I almost forgot about that I do remember that game so I got third person yeah that's like based on Ghost in the Shell and Pot mm-hmm it's PlayStation 2 I think that was the bible verse there you go there's your big bible tangent dude the Halo 3 trailer landfall with the ODST is trying to track chief was awesome we should have something like that yeah I was near Blomkamp that was back when Peter Jackson wanted to make a halo movie or at least to produce it and then that fell through and then Steven Spielberg we keep forgetting Steven Spielberg you got to make mortal engines what's that yeah so they both got to what they want Steven Spielberg produced the show he got what he wanted in the end he produced it well you guys know Neil Blomkamp right I mean not personally no not personally I assume he made Halo Landfall and he also directed District 9 and he was kind of an apprentice of sorts maybe of Peter Jackson I don't know I don't want to say apprentice as in like he was so lacking in skill that he was like you know going to someone like Peter Jackson to like figure out how to make films I think he knew how to make films like District 9 I think is a pretty good movie it's got some flaws but I like it and Halo Landfall is a pretty sweet Halo action short film you can see it on YouTube if you search for it yeah cool I remember watching it when it like back in the day uh an adaptation should be close to the source material because it by necessity takes up the idea space for that IP that's I actually what is that what does that mean I'm not sure what that means because the idea well so they got a second part a new Halo show is made almost impossible due to the existence of this one taking up the slot in the public consciousness make a new IP if you don't want to faithfully adapt it's okay no I don't think that's the point at all actually what did people have the source of shit yeah what if it's shit what if it's been like 50 years what if it's what if it's better what if it is better it's different and better arcane yeah I'm sorry arcane I'm sorry I an adaptation yeah let's be honest how many people in chat right now care that arcane is inaccurate it's unfaithful to leagues law how many of you really care about that anyone how many of you care that haunting of hillhouse has nothing to do with the book at all how many of you care that the shining is so insulting to the book that Stephen King hates it but on the flip side there are some things that would greatly greatly uh and be improved by following the original work a bit oh we'll see I would concede in a second that this show would have been better had it have been faithful to Halo but not because the only way to be good just because that would it's just because sure yeah that would have been better it's because copying something good will generally give you something good if you can't believe it just because of the goodness not because of trying to improve on good many people I know care well the thing is as long as one person doesn't care that's kind of it like if someone doesn't care about adaptation like and they just watch it or they've never even looked at the original before you can't really make any appeal of like would know you're wrong to think it's good because you didn't look at the original kind of doesn't matter you would only want to appeal to the original to point out ways they could have done something better not just that they did something different yeah um yeah to reiterate Halo the show is not bad because it doesn't follow Halo as we know it it's bad because it's cause it's for all the reasons that it's annoying it's almost it's almost in that sense especially bad because it had a guidebook right there yeah and they ignored it it's really annoying I have no idea what Arcane is and I feel like I have to watch it amazing show you should definitely watch it what what is it what network is it on I don't even know anything it's on Netflix I believe okay nine episode animated TV show adapted from League of Legends and oh okay everybody for that reason didn't want to see it and then they watch it because a word of mouth and end up saying alright okay fine yeah that was actually pretty good okay I will check that out yeah as many League of Legends fans will tell you you don't need to play League of Legends okay that's good and if anything I think the popularity of Arcane they're gonna just start editing League Lore to actually match it because it's better someone said beautiful animation terrible writing but worth a watch yo what beautiful animation damn yeah it's insanely well written cool that's good to hear we did three e-faps talking about Arcane because I noticed I thought it was only two parts but I guess I missed the third one we had someone I was like oh it must be pretty good what nostalgic reviews would you like to cover next could I suggest you do his matrix review or is such urging forbidden oh I'm not opposed to covering him he's such a character and his videos are unlike anyone else's I don't know what yeah he's always interesting to cover I'm never never upset to cover him he's all he's kind of one of my favorites when it comes to people to cover what he's gonna say yeah you gotta pay attention and he he's not all misses you know he gets some things right and mostly sometimes he gets a lot of things wrong in odd ways to he keeps you on your toes he's never not I think the latest coverage we did with him with League of Extraordinary Gentlemen it was pretty horrible yep like that was because that movie was easy to make fun of and he chose some Sean Connery movie yeah yeah yeah yeah remember we had as on and as almost died he was like losing his mind with the nostalgic critic easy yeah I said he's missing oh yeah he almost killed Dankula too nostalgic critic yeah he did yeah Dankula was losing his mind because the soldier critic does that thing where he like screams sort of when he when he is making a point why didn't they just why are you know he has that that high pitch just like why he screams he's such a we he never ceases to entertain me not necessarily after the joke that they leave like a second silence for like the jokes it's just it kills the timing yeah he gives he has jeb energy where you see the please laugh moments please laugh I just don't understand why you would have on a video that's being watched with no laugh like why would you leave gaps for people to laugh incredible incredible confidence you have in your jokes to be that funny it's pretty cool right because you're like I gotta leave I don't want anyone to get lost in their own laughter what if they miss the next joke in those themselves wouldn't want to miss anything I say so I leave little gaps for you that's very kind of you I appreciate the nice guy I appreciate he gives me a moment to catch my breath again after I after I pick myself up off the floor where I have fallen laughing he it's very kind of him I appreciate to get back in your seat yeah doesn't chief pat the shoulder of a marine in the first game after he asked frantically we're going to make it right sir to reassure yeah he does in the escape when they're going to halo yeah when they're landing unfortunately those reassurance has meant nothing because they all died but he did anyway because the chief is a real nice guy and he don't afraid of anything I don't understand how you're including all of this is all that matters you can't see his face how do you know how he feels after he'd have to take off the helmet for you guys to conclude what that would have meant but as we know the real master chief when he takes off his helmet it's just another helmet yeah master chief has no face yeah his face is another visor it was like imagine there was a really good adaptation of halo in the form of a TV show and it's very dramatic very serious all straight and really accurate and they even fix some stuff up and like season five at the end he finally takes the helmet off and it's another helmet and that's how it ends I think everyone would just be like wow it takes off the mark six helmet and it's the mark five helmet this is me I want I got four more helmets under this thing the fucking creators are all like was that like a did you want that to be funny and they were like no no this is serious this is very serious this is very serious this is very serious you guys it's always the same story with the kinds these kinds of Star Trek Discovery tier writers main character unveils the real world becomes awoken and then marches off to fight the government um I have one Star Trek Discovery so I have no idea what to do with it chief hates Halsey doesn't hate the UNSC he hates Halsey yeah in the show I'm sure he'll hate the UNSC in no time UNSC too they're all complicit well yeah because you have keys being like we'll have a conversation at some point he says that to keys doesn't he yeah he says it will be a reckoning for everybody but not today okay yeah maybe you could make the argument he hates the UNSC who knows I'm not 100% clear on that but he's still invested in humans I guess so that's something chief likes humans I'm glad that chief likes humans yay we did it yeah ER John welcome back oh that's nice well thank you I'm happy to be here it's awesome Mastercheeks is not John Halo John Halo is a cool guy who doesn't afraid of anything wow I beat you except you got hours ago but I beat you I was gonna say yeah Mastercheeks is a good name I like it I like John Halo too John Halo feels apt John Halo does feel he's not Mastercheeks he's John Halo how fucking hilarious was that in the show I don't know I assume you guys thought the same thing episode one took his helmet off episode two took his armor off so you saw him in his under armor and I was thinking I'll make a joke on twitter about him being naked in episode three and then they did it and then a couple episodes later he's fucking they wish they could have him naked in the first episode but they wanted to let you down gently yeah oh dear he didn't want to blow their load too early the fact that oh I forgot to mention that he can just disassemble his armor while like out he needs a giant robot to put it on at base but he can just like disassemble it put in the corner imagine if Sauron like stole it he had someone waiting there to steal his armor he's like whoa better go grab my armor it's just gone and then he gets nice you want your armor back master chief and you're gonna have to do a little jump collect five gold ingots yeah I need you to smush a man's foot oh no just give it a good ol' step just crunch down on it squeeze squeeze and take pictures if you want you don't have to but that's the optional thing it's for my wife yes like smushed fate don't ask me why master chief mind telling me why you're consulting with a covenant spy sir getting my rocks off sir yeah maybe or he would say it's a passionate love okay I'm only master chief no human would have sex with me actually they wanted to keep it on wouldn't they no yeah the armor stays on during the fall of reach book characterized the master chief perfectly without compromising his game character I'm ready I'm gonna be rewriting it I'm gonna be using the loo alright I can't stand that Halsey's big brain plan for keeping John in line is to give an AI complete control of a master chief and the rest of the Spons also high rags it wouldn't have been over the rest of the Spons it's kind of tired yeah well the idea seems to be like the symbiosis of it right where it's like the person and the AI in combination but then her end game seems to be just that the AI completely overwrites the person kind of hilarious isn't it I made this to completely control you it went rogue fuck gosh darn it the army brainwashed us to a degree to avoid PTSD read on killing by Dave Grossman the UNSC would absolutely know and use this when they raise their elite child soldiers so that they are combat ready that's the thing about it it's kind of like it feels so arbitrarily thrown in it's like you could have told me that that's how she feels or not and I wouldn't know that to expect anything different because I don't know how any of this works but then it disappeared later war wasn't pain when she went in episode nine she's fine I mean it always feels like they do whatever they want they did it so that chief would have to abandon the mission they lose the thing yeah the Spartan program was made to crush the insurrectionists but also Halsey had ambitions to take the research further to try and evolve humanity yeah but that's the most important part is they weren't created to combat the covenant that was just a coincidence essentially the covenant attacked and then it's like oh well we can use the Spartans and then that is like a pretext that makes people a lot more comfortable with the program or at least like not compelled to look into it further hello favorite halo moment but you can only pick one favorite halo moment I mean the one I remember best I'll go first because my answer is going to be the least interesting because I have the least interesting with the whole thing it would be between these are going to be such generic answers holy shit I already know before I say them it's the end of halo three and the end of halo reach basically those are the two the pots I remember the most in playing the campaign yeah the end of halo one driving through that whole area the end with my buddy that was pretty fun I'll add to that the moment where full hammers about to pick you up and she gets shot down and it's like musically scored perfectly it's supposed to be this uplifting moment where it's like oh here's my ride out of here and then it gets shot down and the music scores along with it like the tragedy of it and then there's this moment of silence where you're left as a player going oh shit what the fuck am I supposed to do now and there's like a beat of silence it's like awkward but then Cortana chimes in and it's like chief I've detected there's a there's a pelican in the whatever bay go over there and then it's like oh shit I can still get out of here like it felt like a movie moment you know and it was like accomplished so well in the context of a video game it's cool that's one of my favorite moments I think there's so many good ones but one that always stands out is I think it's the flood reveal yeah that was so good that is pretty cool too it's paced really well yes we're gonna put you in this spooky swamp alright this is different swamp level okay you need to go look for these marines they're missing okay marines missing in the swamp looks like they went down into this structure here under the swamp okay wow it's quiet and then you you build up to that reveal and then they're just everywhere and you gotta shoot them all and they're not like the covenant at all it's something completely different and you gotta fight your way out and pick up what you can and I really really like it a whole bunch it's got that just it nails the tone of that kind of moment and it's such a flip for the game where you've been fighting non-stop covenant and it adds this whole entirely different thing into the mix yes it was a great point in the game to inject some new enemy variety in addition to like the story value of it where it worked as like a narrative beat of mystery and horror it's so good um I might be boring as well I'm kind of it's a toss up for me between the ending of Halo 3 and the ending of Reach I think the Reach is super impressive in terms of making a gameplay element and sort of pairing it with a narrative element in a way that's really potent that only video games can achieve um I uh I think I also um I also really like the moment in Reach when yeah the Super Carrier gets blown up as like Noble Six is falling to the ground and then the Covenant Armada shows up and then you have it like it's partly because of the score as well and then it's like on his own in the mountains with like the Super Carrier destruction in the background it's like a great shot um it also might be the ending of Halo 1 and of itself like destroying the ring and then Chief you know it's just as they're escaping and the ring gets destroyed it's a really cool moment um I I'm wondering because it's like Silent Cartographer opening is like probably the most memorable like gameplay section in a Halo game I think it might be it just feels like such a clear example of like what's so cool about those games in terms of their design this beach assault and driving around in that level mm-hmm mm-hmm yeah man you some games you know well what's yours mm-hmm it's all yours the end of um one oh well fair enough cool I was so funny because there are parts in two that I really like they're just they're not ones I would point out as being like oh that's like the quintess I really like the scene when the Arbiter finds out like when he goes to the to the um the control room with the index and he's talking to Tartarus and you got uh like 343 explaining it might just be because that's one of my favorite parts of the soundtrack in all of the games sacred icon all right or is it sacred I think it's high charity suite I kind of adore it there's the same thing in a in Halo 3 I think it's called um black tower when it's uh it's when um after Miranda gets killed and they activate the rings and like chief and Arbiter are coming up in the music it's like oh it's really good music um really high score for a halo one and two or really halo two in particular the music was fantastic nominal right there is there is a in halo two when you're on high charity and the flood come crashing in and you're fighting the flood there there's always a big unique vibe to that where it's just it's as alien as you can get you're on it in a massive alien city nothing looks human it's got all the alien architecture on it and you're fighting these just horrific terrible monstrosities from outer space and you're just so far away you're so far away from earth you're so far away from human cities and you just feel so halo two gives a lot of those moments the levels when you're on one of the other halos is Arbiter fighting the flood where you're in just you're in such a distant part of the galaxy it's so unhuman and just removed from everything else it gives you this vibe of you're just so deep into a just this strange terrible place and I always really enjoy that kind of feeling it's the the speech that shipmaster gives when they're there and it's like quarantine zone mission and then he says he does the big speech will cut into the heart of the infestation retrieve the icon and burn any flood that stand their way and the music's like playing in the background that's a cool little moment I really like the shipmaster he's cool as fuck he's got he's got a great voice he's you know shipmaster number three to one then it is an even fight it's like that's some good shit like oh and of course someone mentioned in chat I was going to say that too I know it's like a stupid set piece of the sets but I like when she jumps out with the bomb drops into the supercar and blows it up dude that's great I love that I love beats like that I wanted that out of the show you know like just the show having fun with beats like that where chief's doing something fucking crazy and Cortana's like yeah I'm on board sure she kind of appreciates how reckless he is but not reckless in a way that jeopardizes the mission like reckless in like a disciplined way where it's like this is going to make a huge dent in the coveted fleet or whatever the threat is that they're facing in that moment you know John do you know the backstory behind that cutscene I told Moeller and Rags the other day but I don't think a lot of people know the backstory I'm not sure tell me there wasn't actually going to be the bomb the cut it was meant to be a whole mission where chief jumps out lands in the supercar and then there was going to be a whole mission in the ship where he blows it up from the inside with a wraith that they ran out of time while they were making the game so they had to do the cutscene instead that's cool I didn't know that it's a funny tradeoff that you create one of the most memorable cutscenes like the entire series is a tradeoff for the mission right yeah but they there are a lot of there's a lot of content they cut in Halo 2 that they wanted to do I feel bad for them but I mean we wouldn't have gotten Halo 3 as it was without it so that's a great beat that highlights their relationship that Cortana and chief have where it's like Cortana's like you know this is crazy right and chief's like so stay here and she says fortunately for you I like crazy I love that right yeah it's a low on orthodox as well she's almost operating like a human being like that's kind of factored into her the development of her AI you know she is like willing to go along with some crazy plan that chief has but it's not completely it's not insane it's like it's extremely dangerous but if accomplished it will actually be a huge benefit to the UNSC it's really big accomplishment like it's yeah they have a fun dynamic that's not in the show that I try shooting my way out things up a little really funny too there's another beat in the Halo 2 where master chief he's on the ground in New Mombasa and they drop a tank down and Cortana's like thanks he never gets me anything like that's such a cute line of dialogue because it's like they're almost like a married couple couple and they're and they basically are a married couple like chief and Cortana because they're like intertwined with each other I can't I remember there was a fun thing in New Mombasa as well where it's after the Pelican crashes where it's just Cortana it's like she's tapping on the helmet saying like hey wake up you know there's a lot of fun banter the show is absent fun which is what is present in the games a lot through Johnson but it's just part of the games as well there's a lot of fun when you first learn what Halo does and Guilty Spark is there and Cortana stops him like she's angry at him she's pissed off she's upset you're about to make me when we talk about like great dialogue the entire exchange that Guilty Spark has with chief is so layered with subtext that like they didn't need to do but they did it's like he's not even talking to chief he says like last time you asked me would I do it what do you mean by last time you asked me to do it what do you mean by that is that in the first game yeah it's um damn I want to find the line that's probably in the library right where you're making your way to the index no it's what Guilty Spark says to you when like Cortana tells you what the ring does and he's like yeah but you knew that that's how it worked how couldn't you it's like wait what do you mean by that what do you mean you didn't tell me this it's like well from the Guilty Spark perspective of course you know yeah you built it you know that'll be after they get the index and their chief's about to like use it and Cortana is like excuse me do you know what this fucking insane asshole your pal yeah that was a great conversation yeah well I guess it's what I mean yeah so because he says like we followed outbreak containment procedure to the letter you were with me each step of the way as we managed this crisis and he said why would you hesitate to do what you have already done last time you asked me if it were my choice would I do it having had considerable time to ponder your query my answer is not changed there is no choice we must activate the ring it's like dude like you didn't have to write that you didn't have to layer that so much like subtext and like pre-planning for future story beats that you were going to tell you blink and you wouldn't miss it you'd be like oh it's just some crazy shit the Guilty Spark is saying he says a lot of weird things I'm sorry that they wanted to expand upon and tell well and they did but then it all got ruined just keep pumping out sequels until they don't make money anymore it wasn't planned it doesn't need to be planned if you lay the seeds you can leverage them later like it doesn't matter whether or not it's planned yeah if there was only one halo people would still be like oh humans are for what did he mean by that yeah exactly so that's what it implies very strongly directly good shit very good shit yeah I look forward to replaying those and particularly paying attention to a lot of the cut scenes in a post I've watched halo the series world I'm gonna replay them as well I might do like a youtube stream for halo 1 2 and 3 they're so good that's the fun thing for me is whenever I get around streaming them I've never played halo 1 and 2 before fun you'll love them dude fuck halo 3 for sure yeah I think you'll enjoy them halo for as old as it is it has this wonderful charm about its age that is aged well it still plays enjoyably yeah I only played it last year and it was right in the half I loved it I think it's my favorite campaign and it's always had this vibe that this classic kind of vibe to me that it's just great I will say having it's just got a really good campaign in terms of its design there are a lot of great encounters in that game I remember as I was playing it like it's there were so many sons one thing like damn that was a good encounter and it's nice to think about a shooter like that like that was a really interesting fun encounter you put me in this stage with these enemies I needed to account for and halo 1's got a lot of that too I think halo 2 was a little bit more inconsistent 3's got a lot of great encounters as well except for Cortana that wasn't a very good mission I'm looking forward to replaying halo 1, finish rate so halo 1's next toxic brood Lovecraft Halloween EFAP when? hi rags hi Lovecraft themed Halloween like we watch Lovecraft themed movies and maybe Colorado Space recently we did yeah we had a little talk about it it was either on an EFAP or a ketchup I forgot we talked about it we have talked about it whether that's been recorded in broadcast remind us if we've talked about color out of space and you heard it could be the oh no I was about to suggest we could watch that Lovecraft country show that everyone hates and I was like actually we don't have to yeah we really don't have to I'm sure there's other Lovecraft inspired movies we could look for if you want to do like so bad they could be good kind of stuff I'm sure there's plenty of those that we can do EFAP movies for yeah the little best of the worst on Lovecraft what if we had EFAP books where someone narrated and then we pause them every time it's like wait no one's talking about that line of dialogue that pro EFAP books EFAP every frame of book ain't that fabulous why don't you just do every frame of page oh yeah sure but every frame of book you know every single frame there's a new book so by the end of it there'll be a library's worth of books can't touch a podcast let's cover every frame a frame my god find the cringe finish the fight we did I like how in that fight scene there was no reference to any like specific battle iconography for games or trailers or anything yeah it was like it's just its own space it's just like this dusty temple I guess on a mountain a lot of people were saying it's like sand trap I even said it looked like sand trap but it ain't sand trap really it's just like a temple it's just a dusty temple well I think you're right in terms of the color palette you know it does resemble that area but the architecture I think is yeah it's different like in the show it does some it's this weird singular kind of church with these two naked elites on the front of it well sorry you know there's Sang Helios and Sang Helios kind of looks like that but this isn't Sang Helios this is like a holy planet I guess okay have you read Wim yes shout out to Nico I read parts of form what is it it's a I guess he would call a rationalist web fiction about superheroes and it's about this chick who's got control insects oh and she tries to use that power and clever and neat ways to get her jobs done I haven't read beyond many maybe like 10-15 chapters so I don't know this was a long time ago but something I might go back to yeah fair enough if I randomly go offline there's a very big rainstorm going on and who knows well we're actually like three minutes left before I went oh good because I heard like something loud outside like a tree fell over or something or a branch on the roof or something but I went outside and I just got a spray all over my face of rain just didn't blow away I was wondering why you said because I heard vaguely it's like oh it's like what's going on the door I just got a face full because the wind is blown it just right where it's right into the side of the house and it's raining and super windy so like the front of me is all right oh no uh I heard John T. J. G. mention machinima I wanted to ask him his thoughts on bro team and the cool hole um I'm actually not that familiar with either sorry to say are there am I um yeah I love bro team bro team they did like funny video on life is strange I like that they do the thing where it's like two minutes of splicing footage from the game with like sort of a rambly kind of uh structure right where they would just uh he does those I don't really care for those nearly as much as just his stream clips and everything uh he did some great videos on life is strange he did video he he did he did the telltale games on Minecraft that's hilarious and you should watch it bro team is hilarious I love bro team it's funny that you because some have been rewatching is uh Sonic for hire which was another like machinima that I know I like that show that was great well that yeah that was really cool and it seems like you they managed to uh get their whole backlog I don't know if everybody because I know battlefield friends I remember that there was a time there when like a lot of their episodes weren't available because machinima delisted what man just like an entire backlog machinima people work like hut you know thousands of hours of work and then it's just gone and like because of rights related things you know lack of access I don't know if like I don't know if the battlefield friends got no they did that's right they got the they got it back and then they re-uploaded it and it's like yeah and Sonic for hire as well there's a lot of really cool projects like machinima was really cool for a time in terms of the projects that came about but I mean like yeah yeah not at all in the term in the way it was run but there was some great content for sure and some people yeah some people recovered their content thankfully after the the company disintegration but some people genuinely got fucked over where they lost years of stuff they recorded that's the kind of thing where you wonder like if I was working at machinima and it was getting shut down and everything I don't know would a few files get downloaded and distributed from I don't know probably because it's like machinima bought by like Warner Brothers it was bought by like a major company and when that happens you end up in a situation where everybody would be sitting around like well come on just let them have it it's like well yeah that's the ethical thing to do but there's like contracts and stuff and we don't want to deal with that and then the byproduct of that is that people just get their work like gone and lost and that's yeah to get it back it just sucks but then what weight does the contract hold if the company no longer exists I have no idea who are they going to go after exactly so that's why my show came back other people weren't so lucky because they couldn't recover their stuff at all like it just wasn't there to recover I guess the big benefit now is that we are in a landscape where you don't need a company like machinima for people to do these really cool projects I mean you look at something like a fox in space that would have been like a machinima but it would have probably been through something like that back in the day but now thanks to like Patreon and all these services guy can just make it on his own that's the thing right like machinima came to me in a period of my life where I was convinced you needed the middleman the studio that you needed to be affiliated with in order to create content and then reach an audience with that content and then as the years went on that became increasingly less the issue where like you could skip the middleman and just directly connect with your audience and not have to work for some fucking draconian MCN you know with some bullshit contract and a lot of people were taking advantage of it it sucks but yeah I mean I'm so glad well they survived a lot of these creators that's at least something that's nice to take away the guys who made like Sonic for hire Battlefield friends guys like you obviously like a lot of the people who did this stuff managed to persist beyond machinima it just gave them an audience it did help them get an audience but it's like then making quality content is the thing that keeps that that's what matters that was I mean there was even like towards the end of that company's career it's like remember like machinima is just a genre of content on the internet like that wasn't even a thing anymore well like we were talking about before I remember like the term has been tainted by the company name like it used to be a genre and now people hear the word machinima they think of the company before they think of the genre now you know it's just machine cinema movies in a real time engine it's a really cool and accessible genre you can create some really cool cinematic content and all you need is like an xbox and four controllers or like even a group of friends and you can achieve some really cool things on zero budget with like crazy action scenes and things it's uh totally dude I wouldn't say it's as good as animation because animation can do whatever you want but like an animation is something that you as an individual can do on your own but I mean like when you think about basically the skill floor for like machinima is quite low and you can achieve a lot not really a genre I totally know what you mean and you're right I mean the reason I went into machinima and not animation is because I wasn't smart or skilled enough to take advantage of that at the time I want to work on that I'm thinking of like dabbling it to source filmmaker and playing around with it see if I can make something cool but I'm like I just I gravitated towards doing this stuff in Halo because it's so easy and Bruce's teeth made it look so easy I'm just like fuck I didn't see that and I did it Act Man legendary stream yeah I think so it's been a good one stream of legends just supporting my favorite hopefully one day this show will pass into legend just supporting my favorite stream of the week I watch EFAP to do and since the first episode where guys cover the twitch reaction people alright I think they watch each episode to the end oh yeah that's good I definitely want to do it I am pro you doing that thing which in a way feels like a good one to end on so because 8 and a half hours I feel that is quite a hearty amount of streaming time of course we made it through a decent chunk of the super jazz what we'll do of course return to you the radio waves the youtube waves on Wednesday to grab the rest and hopefully I'm not going to say it's a guarantee but hopefully in that stream we'll tell you we've caught up fully maybe but yeah what a stream it's been great having a chat about the old halos before we go however if for our two guests we could have you guys talk about what it is you get up to and where to find you why don't we go alphabetically and start with the old yaw how you doing? well I'm a I guess you would call a comedic critic a reviewer youtuber guy you know I'm not going to promise that I'm going to put anything out you know in the near future because people hold those promises over me for years and years of the time so one day there might be something nice on my channel to watch well that would be nice yeah I really liked your halo show video I watched a bit of all the videos of guests that I knew were going to appear on this and your video made me laugh I like how you you were totally right about the dialogue it's so stupid in the show I never expected the show to get to the depths that it fell to even from that perspective it's your idea but who boy yeah he's got some real fucking great videos famously convinced me that TFA was bad nobody else did at that point I was like TFA is fine if not great and then I was like oh no no my goodness and that's only like a 20 minute video right you just blast through it yeah that's made that week I think yeah and it wasn't long after then because I'm trying to remember the timeline because I think TLJ was after I would have seen that video and my mind was changing on TFA because that film man TFA anymore no I haven't everyone's over all of it needs to die I need it to save but yeah Cycle through is backlog ER will entertain you and he might even change your mind on some stuff I know loads of people are huge fans of Mad Max Fury Road why don't you check out ER's video on it see what you think make some gears to him what's the hottest take you think on your channel that's probably today is still the hottest take yeah I would have guessed that might be people love that movie and it does have it does have its aspects that make it pretty great I won't lie but story was not one of them and I still stand by that yeah there's another movie where I was just like but it's so awesome and I was like oh man I didn't even think about the writing really because it's distracting with the action yeah that's how they get you yeah link in description and thank you so much for joining us especially for the 8 and a half hours nice to chat with you again Spinal yes and Mr. John CJG where are you at what are you doing what are you up to I am JCG Graham on Twitter John Graham on YouTube I do Arby the Chief as I said I'm still doing it I'm almost 34 years old and I'm still filming myself playing with toys and I've done 8 seasons of the show and I'm working on the finale right now I'm also working on Master Chief sucks at Halo Infinite I'm working on a 2-parter I'm getting both parts done finalized and then I'm going to release them like premiere them on YouTube back to back publicly and make kind of an event out of it so I'm excited about that I just got to kick my ass into gear and get it done but it probably sounds cringe to some of you but I encourage you to give it a shot I shoot like it's action figures but I shoot it like a movie I treat the screenplays seriously like I take the writing phase really seriously and I try and make it as funny as I can and I'm not really like a media critic sort of person I like writing stories specifically that's kind of my thing but I'm trying I might be getting into review format kind of stuff the normal we drag you on here exactly yeah I feel like I got shit to say like I could make videos like you make you guys make videos that I really enjoy I'm like I can contribute to that same thing as well right so I'm thinking of getting that into that as well but I'm trying to finish off Arbina first and be disciplined about it so yeah so John Graham on YouTube if you want to tune in and I really appreciate you guys having me on thank you for that really to talk about Halo it's awesome oh yeah we had to have you on of course for that but I was going to say do you have a recommended start for someone who's looking to maybe get into Arbina Chief where do you think they should go Episode 1 or maybe something a little more modern that's I would just say Episode 1 just go with the flow of it like halfway through it's going to really change drastically because it goes from being self-contained to really serialized and the themes of it are quite the subject and the subject matter are relatively much heavier compared to the first half because that's just the shit I was going through in my 20s and that kind of bled into the series and my position is just take her to leave it you know I made the show that I wanted to make and was cathartic for me at the time I never once believed that I was making like dumbing down the show or making it worse I just followed my intuition in regard to what was an evolution of the show and it is what it is it's a weird show it changes quite a bit from season to season but if you give it a chance you might like it well it's worth noting I and Muse wholeheartedly recommend that show thank you man, thank you so much really some of the bigger payoffs and some of them longer like you said serialized seasons they were better than what was on TV at the time so it's like yeah yeah and everything we've been talking about today about like expressions and writing and stuff you'll find a lot of it is in his writing and approach to filmmaking I almost don't want to spoil the sense of like if you aren't familiar with what he's made the main characters are not conventional put it that way it's very explicit language and it's not for everybody but you know give it a shot suit you think and hey master chiefs doesn't take his helmet off so there's that there is that but he grabs it straight away because he knows that he's incomplete without it but yeah thank you so much for hanging out with us once again man thanks for having us on um rags free you got anything you guys want to say not yet I don't not particularly same for myself in fact yeah you know just guys get excited beef up chat Kenobi is coming that's this way god damn um though as was alluded to next Saturday same time as usual we're planning on giving y'all a little breakdown of everything everywhere all at once instead of something poopy so this is actually something we actually liked so get excited not sure who exactly the guest will be yet but uh we'll figure it out alrighty on that note I think we should say good night everyone thank you so much for watching thank you for the donation yeah you bet we shall see you Wednesday goodbye everyone see everybody on Wednesday toonaloo bye bye thanks everyone see you later I wish I had a appropriate halo quote to say right now send us out with a bang finish the fight finish the fight like and subscribe or something or something that's the best halo quote did you even start singing with that part of the song oh I'm gonna start making noises was that supposed to end it yet oh no better make it out I'm just hovering over the stop button like um okay bye everybody