 So there's been eight Rocky films in the Rocky franchise, including Creed 1 and Creed 2. Correct. We're going to rank them for you, for what we think, what he thinks, the best ones. There might be some battling. Right now. So Creed 2 just hit theaters, we just checked it out, if you want to check out a review, it's probably up around here somewhere or down below, it's somewhere, watch it, and then come back here and check out what we thought was the best of the Rocky franchise. Beginning with the worst film, what do you think is? It can't be anything else, it literally can't be. Rocky 5, it's a piece of turd. It has to be one of the worst Rocky films by far. Well it is the worst Rocky film by far. Well sure, sure, but like there's nothing supporting that film to make it good. No. Tommy Gunn is like the worst character of all time. It's so different from the other films. 100% it feels like this was that, the Rocky 5 was their first kind of real try to try and start something different in the Rocky franchise. It's almost like their first attempt at Creed, but it failed on so many parts for me. The street fighting is weird, the Don King character is weird. I don't care about Tommy Gunn, so I feel like that whole storyline I don't care about. It's not really Rocky, it's in the same way that he's kind of like a, he's not really fighting, he just kind of gets ticked off and takes it out of the street. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, I'm in the street. When have we ever seen Rocky Balboa fight in the streets? Like it's not something like he'd go, oh yeah, he used to fight in the streets. It's like the tagline of the movie, Rocky takes you to the streets. Nah, not my cup of tea. No. Rocky 5, you're right on the bottom. So number 7, what do we got? Rocky 3. Yeah, sorry guys, I know there's probably a lot of Thundalips out there. Not pretty full. Thundalips? That's Tolkogan and Rocky 3. Oh my God, what the hell are you talking about? What's the team obviously? What is his name? Clavalang. Yeah, Clavalang. But I think this is the start, I think it was the Rocky movies kind of cartoony. Yeah, he starts taking on whatever he can. Yeah. So if it was the big strong guy, then it's the Russian, then he takes on the world, then he takes on space. Yeah. And that's how they came up with Predator. Yeah. He'd fight in everyone in the world, so now he's going to take on the thing from space. But yeah, Rocky 3, Clavalang, Hulk Hogan. But yeah, I didn't love that movie. The whole commercial sequences. Yeah, is that what he did in the Tiger Cage? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, not for me. The Mickey? A bit of a… Yeah, a bit of a sad moment for Mickey. But yeah, if I'm ranking these films, it kind of sits towards the bottom. Yeah. Yeah. Number six has to be… Probably Creed 2. Creed 2. Like it's not a bad thing. It's a good spot to be in. It's a very strong franchise, but it doesn't stand out enough to me to rank it higher. Yeah, yeah. The thing you have to know about the Rocky franchise is that I can say is all of the movies are awesome. If you like good sports movies, you can't go past the Rocky franchise. So saying something is bad or lower in the ranks in this franchise is not a bad thing. They're all good movies. And this was like another sports franchise. It was a good chance, but these Rocky movies are really consistently pretty solid. So that's just what it is. Yeah, Creed 2. It's worth checking out in theaters. It is. It's worth checking out. It's good film. It's fun. Return of some great characters. But overall, it doesn't beat many of the Rocky films that are out there. Sorry, I agree too. Yeah. Number five. I probably Creed 1. Oh, sorry, Creed. So you're together, so you get support. Yeah, yeah. You can take out. You can take out. That's all right. That's probably going to be Creed 3. Yeah. Michael B. Jones vs Michael B. Jones, right? He's shadow boxing really. Yeah, exactly. They get one of those holograms that brings back the dead pop stars. Oh, they have to do something, right? Yeah, exactly. Oh, what a great idea. I know exactly what you're talking about. That would be pretty funny. I think there's really, Creed, I guess was a really good start to try and re-evaluate that franchise and keep Rocky as part of it. I think it was awesome. I think it's one of those great ideas that someone must have just had. And it's like, yes, that's exactly what's happening. Obviously, Robert isn't going to take the franchise over by doing a finance movie about how he beats up the finance. That's Rocky's son, if he didn't pick up on that. But yeah, I feel the key for it. We could have got another Whiff of Wall Street or a Star movie, which would be cool. But yeah, that wasn't going to happen. So Creed was a great idea, really well executed, a very good film. But in the Rocky franchise overall, it doesn't be, again, the rest of the Rocky films we're about to talk about. Correct. And I think to me, it's like, I love that Rocky character. Sloane is amazing. And he's really good as a sporty actor in that role. But I want to see him as the lead. Absolutely. Absolutely. And number four. Well, back to the Rocky films. It is Rocky Balboa. Yeah, that's pretty good. Yeah. Okay. I'll take you on that one. This was a surprise, right? Because everyone thought, like, this dude's like super old. How can he get in the ring? But it was really good. It was sensational. I love that movie. And it's one of those things where you're just like, God damn, Rocky 5 sucked, leaving such a fantastic franchise on such a crap note. Had to be something in Rocky's mind. Or Steve Svesloan's mind that he was just like, I need to do something different. I need to bring it back. And he had just brought back John Rambo with Rambo 5. Was that before? I remember before. Yeah, I feel like that was before. But I'll tell you what the thing is with that. Either way. With me with Rocky Balboa, like, that was 2006, I think. Think about that being one of the first movies where they tried to reboot or resequel as like a movie from the 80s. And think of how many of that shit we've seen since. Yeah. And that movie did such a good job trying to bring back all those characters and those people that you love. And really just put Rocky back in the spotlight again. And what everyone thought was going to be a stinker was bloody awesome. Yeah. Look, I absolutely love Rocky Balboa. I think it's really well crafted, really well directed film, really well written film. Even bringing stuff like Paulie was awesome. He wasn't that hateable in that movie. He was still kind of that dick. Not bringing about Talia Shire as Adrian. I did say Andre that six times prior to this. You know, it was a really, I think a good idea for me. She's not the best character I think in the Rocky franchise, but she's fine. And adds weight to Rocky and his decisions and whatnot and where he is at life, I think. And so, yeah, like maybe a hard decision to Talia Shire is acting career, but if she said that one. I think the last movie she did prior to that was Rad from Memory. Remember Rad? Yeah. But yeah, I think it's really solid. It tries to bring those family values that we can see continuing to create movies. But yeah, it's really good time and probably the most surprising out of all the Rocky films for how good it really was. Now this is where me and Scoot here are going to start differing because the third movie is going to set us apart. Yeah. I feel like I'm coming in and saying Rocky 2. What are you going to say? I'm going to say Rocky 4. Oh, that cuts me deep. That burns me so hard. Well, vice versa, my friend. But I understand, but I understand. Vice versa. So for me, Rocky 4 is like, if Rocky 3 was the start of getting cartoony, Rocky 4 is literally the cartoon. The cartoon. Like it's literally, let's throw everything patriotic we can at this. We're going to do this. So good, though. The opening of the movie is two boxing gloves punching and exploding. We can't beat that. That is the ultimate cheese and so good. Even like training in the bun. Yeah, so good with the beard. I'm sorry. My favorite part, Paulie's robot. The thing that is literally the cartoon is being alive. It's pretty much the 80s. That's one of the most 80s movies ever. And I think that of all the movies, that's the one that I think is dated the most because of that to some degree. 100%. It's really unfortunate, but look, I love Rocky 4. I think it has so much style and stuff to it that I really love the 80s. I'm bigger, bigger on the 80s and that movie has it all over it. It might say it probably does have the best training montage of all the movies. I'm pretty sure if I've counted five training montage in that movie, which is ridiculous. I like the one that cuts to like Rock in the Snow and then it cuts to Drago and he's like in a smoked field. Oh yeah, that's the training montage. That's the score in that, is Vince DeColo's training montage. Vince DeColo, I know you're out there. Keep composing. One day you'll come back. You're going to have your shining light, the day in the sun, the ultimate movie for Vince DeColo. I'm going nowhere, but I love that guy. And you said Rocky 2. Yeah, Rocky 2. Look, Rocky 2 for me, it's the rematch that everyone wanted because Rocky 1 was also Academy Awards all around kind of thing and where was that story going to go? Obviously, Rocky had to win to keep the story going. But it was almost just a rehash of Rocky 1. For me, it didn't bring too much more to the franchise. It obviously did with Rocky getting married to Talia Sharp. See, that's where I'm going to say Rocky 2 is my favorite because I think it is very similar to the first movie. But he fucking wins at the end. He does what you wanted to happen in the first one. Exactly. So I love that. I love that. It's like because he's gotten through all that first movie and then he's finally won. That's why it's my number one. That's fair enough. For me, it's the same movie all over again. It has some cool moments in it. It's a great movie all around. Don't forget we love all these movies. But overall, I think that it kind of it was a rehash of the first movie. So again, for me it didn't sit that well. So number two, I think we can agree on that. Is Rocky 1? Rocky 1. Yeah! And something would say the best. Yeah. It's awesome. I mean, how can you go past Rocky? It's fantastic. I think for me, the reason why it gets set down lower than Rocky 4 for me and I know you're going to say Rocky 2. The reason why it gets set lower is because it came out in a time where I wasn't alive and I was born around the same time as Rocky 4 came out. And so that's what I saw first. I saw Rocky 4 first and Rocky 4 had everything that I loved about the 80s. So I kept that love going on whereas Rocky now I've seen so many times that I don't feel like I really need to see it again because he doesn't mean it. He doesn't have that celebratory It's not as rewatchable. It's so ingrained in pop culture, right? Like the music, him running upstairs all that stuff, right? It's just iconic imagery but it doesn't prove to be as rewatchable because of that. You see it everywhere and you see it referenced everywhere. And every other movie too. Yeah, exactly. It's a really strong film. It's like number two. Great movie. Yeah, it's number two. So don't forget but I'm just saying the reason is why we don't like it as much as one-on-one choice. It's potentially not the best. That's right. That's right. So what is the best, sir? I will say Rocky 4. I'll say Rocky 2. That's fine. Yeah, that's okay. I'm going to kill you. Look, Rocky 4, I think, as I keep saying, all about the 80s, the Ivan Drago, Hatred, and Apollo Creed, Dying Spoilers, if you didn't know that. It came out in 1984. So suck at that one. But how many people comment in these things and say you are spoiling movies? That movie is so old. Relax. Anyway, so but yeah, Rocky 4, Apollo Dies, really big hit to the franchise. He's been alive for the first... Big hit to Apollo, too. Yeah. First four movies. And that was a big death. Like Mickey Dying in the third movie was big, but not as big as Apollo Creed dying against Ivan Drago. There's a lot of personal, you know, because Rocky could have stopped that fight. Exactly. And that moment, you kind of feel for Rocky. He's just lost his best mate. Yeah. His wife's like, don't get in that fight. And he's like, nah, well, we're not going to get in this fight. I'm going to get in this fight with this guy. And you know, he's got a win. And like, you wanted to cheer him on as a viewer. Yeah. And I'm sure at the time, America watching this movie versus the country that they hated at the time, Russia, it would have been a momentous occasion. Yeah. The Cold War stuff is probably what dates at the most, I think, because, The Robot is what dates at the most. The Robot. The Robot's lovable. Yeah. But yeah, it's very much a movie of its time, and it's probably less impactful now if you just jump onto it now. Yeah. I think, but yeah, it's very much of its time, I think. I think if you like soundtracks, though, not for scores, but for soundtracks with songs. Yeah. That's on fire. It's pretty good. That's on fire, no easy way out, yeah. Survivor, two tracks with either Tiger and, yeah, hearth on fire. Yeah. Great soundtrack. Yeah, for me, Rocky II, as I said, it's all about the win, I think for me, and just finally seeing him get up on top of that podium after going through like two old movies, because like, I don't think the ending of, like, I get the whole going the distance, like that's a big deal, but it's not winning. No. So to me, him getting up, finally winning, I think is really, really, really, what a franchise. And I think the Rocky II also had a really cool poster. Now, not the one that I'm talking about him on the ropes, kind of like this, but the, the, the match, like the, the Polo Creed vs. Rocky Balboa, the big yellow poster, that's a cool poster. For coming out from the late 70s, I'm going to say early 80s, don't give me, don't quote me on the dates. That was a cool poster back then. It almost feels like something that would come out today for a movie like that. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, that's our take on the top but what are your takes? Please let us know. What do you guys think? What's your number one? What's your number worst? Do you like Rocky V? That's a number, right? That's a number. No one likes Rocky V. If you like Rocky V, please let us know. I'm going to leave a comment right at the top. It says, do you like Rocky V? If you put yes in that, I don't know what to say. We're looking for you, Tommy Gunn. Is that his name? Tommy Gunn. He's in the comments. I don't know if that guy's alive anymore, but yeah. Anyway. Is anyone for that movie alive? Yeah. Yeah. What's his name? Frank Sutton. He's from The Thing and stuff. David. David. David. David Keith. David Keith. We got that. We got that. He's still alive. Yeah. Anyway, Rocky franchise, that's what we thought. What did you guys think? Let us know in the comments below and if you like Rocky V, well, we've got some stuff to say about that. Yeah. The worst movie of all time, probably. Yeah. It's not great. It's not good at all. And that's what we got. Thank you. All right. Until next time, we'll catch you nerds at the movies. At the movies.