 Who gon' bring it to the table? Boss talk, who your girlfriend favorite? Boss talk, we gon' do it how you want it. Boss talk, yeah, everybody on it. Boss talk, it's a unique hustle. Check it, check it, check it. It's a unique hustle. It's your boy, E.C.O. And I'm here with the lovely, amazing official. Miss Jamaica, what's going on? None, none. You know my dad will all go on. Man, hey, man, this guy right here don't need no introduction. Yes, sir. I'm back in town, man, getting down, man. Hey, this guy right here, man, I can't, words can't explain the music and the stuff that he done done throughout the years that affected my life and a lot of other people, man. Just, man, Mr. Lee, man. Welcome back on Boss Talk 101, man, where the boss is talking. Yes, sir, what's going down? Man, hold up, man. Hey, man, say, man, just, man, just, wanna thank you for always answering the call when I call you. I'm always, you always looking at the page or we rocking out with each other, trying to see what each other's doing, man. So thank you so much, man. Without a doubt. Been a hell of a venture. Let's go ahead, let's get into it. So, you know, as he said, you've been on our platform many times, but like for me, I'm starting my own podcast as well. I heard you starting yours too. What's the name of your podcast gonna be? It's on the track with Mr. Lee. On the track with, okay, so when, have you started recording yet? I have, but I'm still tweaking it a little bit, but I'm gonna start probably in January. You gonna start releasing it in January? Yeah, yeah. How many interviews have you done? Right now I have like five. Five? Yeah. Okay, are you starting, are you gonna plan to put it out every day? That's my goal to put it out every day, but you know what? I got to salute you guys because man, there's a lot of work going to me. You can sit down and say, yeah, I'm gonna start a podcast, but man, the work to get the content, it ain't easy. To get the content and to edit? Yeah. And like we tell a lot of people it's best to do it yourself because it's hard to depend on people. Yeah, I found that out the wrong way. But it's easier as in like, you just all you have to do is record and pass the information on and let them do it. But it's just hard to rely on people like what I was saying. But to find the time to edit everything, especially if you have multiple cameras like we do, it's harder. If you have one camera, are you doing one camera or multiple? I'm doing multiple. That's amazing. So what was your reason for starting a podcast? I started to see the reaction. I started to get on Instagram when I would give information about the music business. And I wasn't aware of the badges on Instagram Live and all of that kind of stuff. And so one day I was giving some information out for like about 10 minutes and I made like $200. Wow. Popped up on my Instagram. I'm like, what is this? And it was badges, you know what I mean? And I was like, okay, you know what? Let me pursue this a little different and give people what they want from me. So, you know, that's what really made me decide to go ahead and... So your guess that you're bringing on on your podcast, is it guess that you're just gonna be talking about music to educate people on different things where music is concerned or what is your goal where that is concerned? It's gonna be music business, the life in the music business. I feel like with all of the deaths that I've been seeing and all of the comments that I've seen about people saying that being a rapper is dangerous, being a rapper is not dangerous. It's the decision making of a rapper that's dangerous. And I think we need more people to educate and give these young people more insight on life. I'm 50 years old, I've been in this music business older than some of these cats have been alive. You know what I mean? So I know I've been there. I've been in the situations they've been in. Whether they think I have it or not, I have. And you live to tell about it. Yes, and I'm here. So I'm smart enough to understand not to walk away from different situations and live to see another day. And I think that we have to be more wise about decisions that we make and put the egos to the side. When you say decisions that you make, are you talking about decisions in the music or decisions on how you walk or how you act or the decisions as in like content you put into the music? What decisions? It's some of everything, really. You know what I mean? It's the content too. You're aware of what you speak is powerful, you know? And you can taunt people with just making a song and you really just trying to entertain. But some people don't take that as entertainment. And they look at it a different way and you have adversaries that you don't even know. And that's dangerous when you have unknown adversaries. That's true, cause you don't ever know. Exactly. Then too, you know, I've been living good and living at a high level for 25 years or more. So I started making money and having big houses and cars when I was 23. When you start getting to that type of level, certain people that you used to hang with, I don't care if you grew up with them, with the school with them, when they're still in the trenches and they're in the hood, as much love as you get from the hood, you can't stay in there. You can't participate in certain things in the hood because everybody's not gonna receive you in there. Right. If you wanna give turkeys out, you wanna do different things, you have to do that in a certain way, in a certain level. You know what I mean? We get caught up in these fake facades that we see on TV or looking at some of the mistakes that other people are making, we continue to still try to do the same mistake over and over, you know what I mean? You can't go in the neighborhood where you got adversaries there. Right. Because they can sit on you. Cause they're trying to prove something. Nowadays, it's all about content. Everybody's trying to create content even if they think that they're risking their life. They trying to create content because everybody wants to go viral. And I'm like, but going viral is not gonna last you forever. It's gonna, yes, if you are monetized at that moment, which a lot of people even aren't monetized at the moment they go viral, you might get some money from that, yes. But otherwise from that, that's all, you're gonna get what? A month of fame? Yeah. And that's it. It's been real draining, doing a lot of stuff that pertain to this podcast when you think about it, just thinking about what you said earlier, reflecting back on people who passed away. We've had so many different people that passed on. You look at, even what you said makes sense, but 50 cent with hip hop homicide, just like he can see it, everybody can see it. How do we address it? And if we address it, will it change it? Stuff like that, that's the whole, that's the situation. Seeing the PMB rocks, the take off, just being in Houston and you being down in Houston, like you were to hear that happen that night in Houston, what went over you when you heard that? What did you think about? I mean, really, man, every time I see a rapper get killed, I get triggered by losing people like Nipsey Hussle, losing people like Big Hulk, you know what I'm saying? Even Pimp C, just the death of it, it's triggering. Right. You know what I'm saying? It makes me upset. I get mad after I'm sad about it and I'm angry. Because I feel like you guys are young. Y'all got a whole life ahead of you. The egotistical stuff that's being done, the arguing over whatever money it was and the foolishness of people that hang around you that you don't have any control over is a detrimental situation. Wow. You know what I'm saying? Even when I look at Nipsey, I love Nipsey. I hated the fact that he stated that story and waiting on that dude to come back. Right. And this is a lack of decision-making. If I'm arguing with somebody and I'd have had an argument and that cat leave, I'm not finna sit there and wait for him to come back. If I'm sitting there and wait for him to come back, I'm gonna have something in my hand. Exactly, exactly. And waiting on him to come back. I'm not gonna be lackadaisical about it or think that this cat can't come back with something. I wish he'd go and his people proving something would feel like I'm bigger than, you know, like, oh no, he will never try that. He will never do that because I'm big. I mean, when you give everything that you have to a neighborhood like Nip did, you expect the respect to be there. You expect that as a safe zone in a holy place where nothing wrong can happen in. You know, you expect that type of cover over you when you given as much as he gave and it just didn't happen. It's the same thing with the takeoff thing. It's awful situation. You know what I mean? You go and you do these type of things all the time. It's all regular, but you never know. It's one person that could be in that room with you that you don't know that can take a situation the wrong way and act unauthorized and do some things that is not cool. Okay, can you basically remember a time where you might have been in a situation where you had to either A-leave or de-escalate the situation in order to make sure that nothing like this would happen? Because you've been in the game a long time. You had a lot of nights out. I mean, So you're just thinking back. Go back to some of those nights when you Mr. Lee was out and the producers and everybody would part in because they just had an album release or they just had somebody flew in and you was like, you know what, man, I'm gonna kick out early. Or that time when you kicked out early and some did transpire. Anything like that you can remember? I mean, of course. I mean, you live, you go through that. I used to shoot dice. Me too. So one particular time I shot dice and I won $40,000 that night. Wow, where was this at? It was at a studio. Okay. You know what I'm saying? I ain't gonna say a name. That's all good. But I won $40,000. You know what I mean? I came in there with like $400. Wow. And I won $40,000. I didn't go back for a couple of days. And the reason I didn't go in there for a couple of days is because it was people that ran in that I beat. And, you know, I won money from and I know people getting any feelings. Yeah. I'm smart enough to know that, you know what, I just won $40,000. These cats can be dumb enough to think that I might have 10 or 20,000 in cash on me and try to rob me, set me up, do whatever. So I didn't go back. $40,000, he hidden. That mean he jumping six and eight. They running mates, yo and the little, all that. All that. He own it. A little Joe. Yeah, we had a four and a 10, man. That's four and a 10. If I can four our 10, I already know. But at the end of the day, how long did it take for you to even to win that much? Cause that takes time. Man, we shot dice for like 12 hours. That's what people don't understand. You know what I'm saying? All day, didn't move, didn't eat, didn't nothing. Nah, we was there. It's addictive. Yeah, it was like, started like eight o'clock in the night. When I left out of the building, it was sun out. Yeah. You know what I mean? So I learned from different things like I watched people behavior, but you know, I've been on the run for 10 years when I was first starting my career. Yeah, correct. So my attention to detail of things like that was heightened. I can read people and tell you when they own some shaky shit with you, you know what I mean? So I know how to get out of the way. Cause one thing about me, I didn't want to, I didn't want to get into an altercation where I had to hurt somebody to kill them or do some shit like that in the position that I was in. So I always was very careful about the decisions that I made and the people that I was hanging around with. Cause it's crazy because you could be around a person that show you the most love ever in life. And that one person that show you that type of love would be the same person that shoots you in the back of the head. That's correct. You know, when you mentioned 50 cents show. Yeah. I thought about, cause you know, a lot of people, they have good things to say about it. Some people have bad things to say about it. But when I think about even just all the deaths that's been happening, I think of the saying, you know, you can either look at a cup half full or half empty. I'm like, you can argue about all of the different situations or you can be like, okay, what is it that do I need to learn from this situation? Even the shows, he come out with the homicides. Okay. And they go into detail telling you how did they get caught up in this situation? You should be knowing that, okay, I need to move differently. If this person can be betrayed by this person, so-called allegedly, because of course they don't solve a case. But you can learn from seeing it and be like, okay, I need to do, I need to change up, I need to do this, I need to do that, I need to watch this person. Because I always say, God tell, the Holy Spirit tells us, gives us warning. A lot of times we don't ever listen. Sometimes we do. Everybody gets it. You know what I mean? Everybody gets a knock on their shoulder. I know that's your best friend, but they haven't been acting right recently. When you're elevating, they start acting sort of jealous. But in front of your face, they smile, but you get that feeling. Yeah. You know what I mean? So people that's always ignored, oh, they're just having an off day. They just, this, this, this, this. People need to take more notice of situations like that. You have to. Yeah, Mr. Lee, so when you look back at, you know, being a part of everything that has to do with hip hop, are you proud of where you see hip hop feels today for the South? I am, and sometimes I'm not. You know what I mean? I think creativity needs to be challenged a little bit more. It's a cookie cutter situation that we end, and the powers that be, if it's an easy sale, then they're gonna jump on it. They don't care if it's detrimental to our culture, people that we serve in the music too. They don't care about that. You know what I mean? They don't care about the rap beef, rappers getting killed, killing each other. They don't care about nothing. So I mean, as far as the success that they have in and the money that they're making, I'm absolutely, incredibly excited and proud of that. But there are a lot of things that we need to change the narrative of, we need to understand how much power we have. I think people mask our vision and don't allow us to really see what type of power we really got. You know what I mean? And that's a very huge problem because we don't have to have a bunch of controversy and disrespectful things to make it in this business. We don't have to have that. I think that people that have those type of qualities don't have a longevity in the music anyway. When you see Scarface working with him like you did all those years, how are you guys able to deter a lot of the, it wouldn't, he didn't have a lot of beef. Smart enough to stand out of the way. He was straight focused on the music. It seemed like you and him both were focused on the music more than the beef. You have to be focused on the purpose. Now it was a lot of stuff going on. He just chose not to deal with it. Right, we had a position to play. You know, when you know what your position is and you able to remain in that position and you can thrive in that, then you stay out of the way. Lack of experience and knowledge is like a double edged sword. Sometimes you can win, sometimes you're gonna lose. Most of the times you're gonna lose because you don't know how to move in uncertain situations that you are, that you have no capabilities to be in. Yeah, yeah. And a lot of people don't understand that and they rush right into things and they get themselves caught up in really serious situations. Either going to jail, you getting killed, you're losing all of your money. It's just a whole bunch of really detrimental things that's happening and that people are not looking at it and they don't care. The record labels don't care about what happens to the artist. When I was signed to Rappelhead, they cared. They looked in on our personal situation and made sure everything was good. I had that type of support system. Right now you don't have that. Wow, I think you're hitting it on the nail. When you look at, like, I talked with Lil' Kiki. Shout out to Lil' Kiki. I went down there and interviewed him after you introduced me to him here on this show when I first met you and I wanna tell you thank you for that. Appreciate it. Also, when I went down there and linked with him, L.D. linked me with him as well. It was just a wonderful thing to rock out with him. But the one thing, I asked him the same thing. Like he said something that was profound. He said he wasn't gonna waste the music on beef. I just go back to what he told me. You know what I mean? Like he wasn't gonna put that energy out there like that. He also talked about the PMC when he did the knocking doors down, how he didn't get into the situation where he was trying to de-escalate the beef as well. He talked about the car in that song and he said Pimp that kinda made Pimp feel a little bit like what the hell, man? Because at the end of the day, he just did not wanna deal with that part of it. You know what I mean? Yeah. So that's good. When you look at Lil' Kiki working with him, like what makes him different than a lot of people that you've worked with? I mean, we have a lot of longevity. We've worked for a long, long time, years and years. And when you have a sincere relationship with people, you have a lot of happy moments. You can have some sad ones and some mad ones too. Of course. But being in a brotherhood with a person like that and I call it a brotherhood, we always were able to overcome any adversity that we had. But in the studio, we created, we're gonna work. You know what I'm saying? So it's always been a blast working with a man. We laugh and talk all the time. And it just been one of those sincere relationships that everybody should have with one person or another. Yeah, the thing I just look at how the history is and how you rocked out with him and basically you guys still maintain a relationship to this day, a lot of people can't say that. There's a lot of people that don't talk to people any longer that they work with starting out their career, you know that. So how important is it to you as a producer and as a creative mind to be in a space where you can keep those long lasting relationships and grow old like Scarface said, he thought that him and Pimp C would have grown old together. I seen him say that one time. So how important is that to you? I mean, it's really important to me because we all have some type of struggles together. We started from the top. We spent hours and hours and hours and days and days and days and weeks and months and years in the studio working. So you can't have that type of relationship with people and it don't be sincere and it don't be real. You know, it's a handful of people that I have those situations with that I've been working with and been friends with for over 20 years. And we've been through everything. We've had misunderstandings. We had all of that, you know, even like I can tell you one story about B-King. Shout out B-King. Shout out B-King. You would look at B-King and B-King does this music and everybody's happy in his clubbing and he does a whole bunch of things. But B-King is a real super solid cat. He and I had a disagreement about something. And I ain't gonna go into detail where it was, but we had a disagreement about something. And me and this dude was friends and when nobody was really looking at him, I was hitting him on Instagram and Twitter and all of that stuff and we started working together. He's one of the most sincere people that I know and he's blunt. He'll tell you exactly how he feel whether it's right or wrong. But at the end of the day, he doesn't hold no grudges and he's a big enough man to be like, hey man, you know what bro, let's wrap this up and get back to where we were. That's good. And for him, I really, I respect him even more because of that. Yeah. You know what I mean? It wasn't just he was wrong. It was wrong all across the board between him and me. It wasn't just him, it was me too. But you know what I mean? When you have a friendship with people like that, you can overcome anything. You know what I mean? He didn't get on Instagram and be like, oh, I ain't messing with Mr. Lee, you know what I ain't doing this, Mr. Lee, and then none of that. I ain't do the same thing ever, it was respect. And I think a lot of people don't carry those type of values and they'll use any type of instance to get any type of fame, any type of traction on the internet, they'll use it. But that dude, he solid. You know what I mean? He's just as solid as Slim, Kiki and all the other cats that I've been working with for the last 20 years. He's the same way. Wow, because he came over, he shout out, he'd say love the show. But the thing I do know about him as well is his creative space was a little bit different than most the way that the music sounded coming out of Houston. He had a different way that he was trying to do it. And I think that was something that I feel like he had to be able to be strong and stern in his belief system to do it and not care about the backlash. Yeah, he was a pioneer. Correct. That makes you a little bit different. Yeah, thanks. So, no, when you go back and you start to reflect on just the Scarface in the studio feels that you guys did, I had Mack on the show as well. And Mack was telling me about he rocked out with Scarface and he was a big Scarface fan because, you know, basically he came home after 21 years, he gets down there and he rocks out with him. And I told him, and I think I've clipped him, put you in a clip with him on that same deal because you guys had a lot to say about Scarface. Is Scarface still the best rapper alive? If he ever will be, as far as I'm concerned. I mean, I ain't even gonna never begin to list without him on the top of it. He got to be on the top. Yeah, on the top. And so, what, okay. And I hadn't got to meet him, but recently, since I'd been doing boss talk. Young, yeah, but as a grown, as an older man, I hadn't seen him. He's a writer, right? He's not in there, he's not dropping, what they call it, baby, when they go in there and what they call it, these young niggas, they punch in the head. Nah, even that. What is it? How is it, like, do you think they, the time has changed, man, y'all did this. It really was y'all, you niggas did this because at the end of the day, these y'all folks doing nothing about this music stuff. It wasn't been for people like you and Scarface and Willi D and all of y'all, man. So I have to blame y'all. I didn't do it, you know what I'm saying? I didn't do it, man. But that little dude you sent over here, what was his name? Dang, the little kid, Tago, man. Shout out to my boy, Tago, man. Man, what the hell going on, man? How you running to that kid? Hey man, I made him in a meeting with this dude, Johnny Coco, and my guy, AV Hall, that's my partner. So they came out to the crib and we hung out and I talked to him and, you know, he has a resemblance of my son. My son, he looked almost alike a little bit. That's hard. So, you know, that kind of threw me back. So we talked and once I figured out everything that he had done and just his demeanor and the way he is, you know what I mean? I was like, dude, whatever I can do to help you, I'm gonna help you. Wow. You know, because you're an outstanding young man. You got your head on straight. You got values. You're really bucking the system. You don't smoke. I don't smoke. I don't drink. He don't drink. You know, he's focused about helping his family. That's just, it's refreshing to be in a room with somebody like that. And you think I'm an OG. So I've did everything that he's trying to do. But just to see him doing that in this day and time, I was like, dude, whatever I need to do to help you, I'm helping you. You got it. Wow. And he definitely done worked already with Rod Wave. And I think, is it NBA Young Boy? No. Yeah, he got, he has the new single in NBA Young Boy's new project. Right now. Right now. That's hard right there. To be the truth, man. So he's steadily working. Yeah. Man, how, like, what would you like to see that come from his, his work ethic and the people that he's driving to be? What would you like to see come out of his career? Like, would you like to see him just take it to the 31 plaques and, you know what I'm saying? I want to see him take it beyond that. But the most important thing I want to see is people acknowledge his talent. Okay. Okay. I think, and you know what I mean, the money is one thing, but the work that you put in and the things that you do to help people's career, it need to be acknowledged. And I think that's the most important thing I want to see with him. I want to see him be a household name because he's put in the work to do it. Yeah. That's hard, man. I liked his attitude, his humbleness, you know. Being meek is something else, man. Cause so many people are so arrogant and trying to figure out ways to be known and seen instead of relaxing and letting it happen more. So that's hard. So you, in that working with him, does he have similarities? Is he quick to the draw? You can tell all that stuff. I mean, he's like a young version of me. You know what I mean? Honestly. You know, that's why I took a liking to him, man. He's going to be greater than me though, for sure. Yeah, yeah. Well, I got to ask you about this and you can't get around it. And I hate to bring it up, but when I seen zero being that you linked with zero and Tray and all the huge, when you've seen that spill out on TMZ like that, what it, cause that usually never happened. I mean, it was, you know what I mean? To me, man, it was, I wish it had never happened. I hate it happen because it's the way a Texas thing to where it's like, we got to keep our business. Yeah, I wish it wouldn't have never happened and it allowed a lot of people to judge and assume what's going on between them two guys. Those guys used to be brothers and family at one point in time. Whatever issues they got, that's their issues. You know what I'm saying? I got my own issues, but I don't put them out there. I don't, I'm not finna get out there and get to talking because something like that happened. You know what I'm saying? Me and Tray is cool. I deal with Tray every day. Me and Tray talk all the time. Wow. You know what I mean? That's like my little brother. So I don't like to see that. You know, I think it's a lot of things that a lot of unturned stones in that situation that needed some resolution to it. Fighting is that the key to it? I don't think it is. I wouldn't have did it. You know what I'm saying? But I can't speak on another person's position because we don't know exactly what happened in that matter. You know what I'm saying? I know I have a little bit of insight on it, more insight than a lot of people do, but that's not my business to tell. You know what I'm saying? Correct, correct. But it just opened a bunch of doors for people to criticize and say a lot of different things when they don't know what they're talking about. And that's why I remain quiet and I didn't say anything about it because my situation's gonna look biased because of my history that I got. Correct. In that situation, you feel me? So I'm old enough to know how to move and stay out of people's way. You know what I'm saying? So that's my take on, that's what I did. I prayed for both of them, me and Trey are friends and brothers. You know what I'm saying? We family, so, you know what I mean? Of course, I'm gonna stand behind them 100%, you know what I'm saying? So that's just what it is. And do you think that you and Zero could ever get back to a working relationship? It's possible. Anything is possible. I don't hate him. Correct. You know what I'm saying? You ain't never heard me get on this podcast and say nothing detrimental to that dude or negative about him. Yeah. When I came to Houston, Zero's one of the first people I met. Because y'all got a long history. You got this one. So this, my relationship with this dude is bigger than rapping, money, any of that. You know, if he see that, then it's cool. If he don't, it's still cool. I'm not, man. I don't care about having no adverse situations with nobody. I got a family to raise, man. I ain't got no time to be mad at nobody. That's childish shit to me. You know what I'm saying? We growing, I'm 50. So if I got to fight you to get a resolution with you, then I don't, but what? And I ain't gonna rap about you, sing about you, ain't gonna do nothing shit. None of that. Nah. I just know you guys did some great work together. You know what I mean? And I think that's what a lot of time, as a fan, you long for that. You know what I mean? And so you know that we've lost the Nipsey's and we've lost certain situations that we can never reattain. But we do have certain people that are still here that we can maybe fix it with. But if not, life moves on, but at least it's there. Yeah, I always got love. You know, it's always gonna be love with me and there gonna be nothing else. You know, I'm a black man, so I'm not gonna be a hypocrite and push and shove on another black man that I know whether I like him or not. Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Man Zero's shared a whole bunch of years working together and shared a whole bunch of personal time together about different things. And I ain't never aired that shit on and I never will because there ain't nobody business, you know what I'm saying? So it's gonna always be love for me whether it's a dislike in a situation or not. I just know after years coming on platforms and talking about it, that's a form of counseling, man. Yeah, really? So you have to express the facts of, I'm not even there no more. I'm not where I was 10 days ago, let alone five years ago. Facts. So you gotta, I think these things need to be spoke on. I really do because people be still stuck because somebody's advancement might not be as quick to the draw like yours when it comes to mental. Right. Am I right? That's right. So you gotta be like, okay, well, dang. Yeah, that has been a while. Like niggas unlock it, you know, move on because we're not even there no more. No, I mean, people just gotta put things in perspective. If you got kids or family, you trying to get out of a generational curse and we all living in one because our families are not wealthy. That's right. Would you rather spend your time traveling from podcast to podcast, talking about each other or finding a way to keep your family from being in situations where they can't control their own destinies because they don't have enough money and wealth and education to understand what's going on. We don't have enough education to know how to get life insurance. That's real. This kid's out here with $20,000 watches on and don't have no life insurance. That's right. When they get killed, they got gold fundings now. That's why. But it's real. So the foolishness that is being displayed is showing a lot of ignorance. Yeah, yeah. And you can't fix it without somebody stopping what it is or stop reacting to dumb shit. You know what I'm saying? They don't really matter. Yeah. If a person write a song about me, I don't care. I'm gonna pull up to the same house I've been pulling up to for years and years and years and raise my kids and keep doing the same thing that I've been doing. Because the simple fact of the matter is once you find yourself where you're not financially enslaved to other people, then you have freedom to move around the way you want to without feeling repercussions of making the wrong move or even making the move for yourself and people not liking it. Man. And that's where I'm at. Back in the day, I know, well, I've interviewed Mr. Michael a couple of times and he was telling me about he was almost as rap a lot. Yeah. Yeah. I remember that. He told me that. Do you remember that? I remember that. What do you remember about it? Because he said, I went over there but it didn't happen but I went over there and I see and I left. I don't even, on the new one that we did, he was like, I didn't stay, but I almost as rap a lot. You know, I mean, he came when Tila came. Okay. It was him telling a group called the Hulums, shout out to the Hulums when we're boy O.C. and our little kid. That's my guy, that's my brother. Okay. Okay. So we all came over there together. They ended up signing, the Hulums sign and Tila sign. And Mike was there, but Mike didn't sign. I don't know why he didn't, but he didn't sign. But Mike, Mike was a real kind of spiritual tapped in kind of cat then. Really? Yeah. He's that way. He's been that way. You know, I'm not lying. He's been that way. I don't even personally know him like that but I've observed him and I know. Yeah. And he said his spirit didn't lead him that way. His spirit is not locking in. He ain't doing it. That's what he said that day. He said his spirit, this wasn't right. Yeah, he ain't gonna do it. Yeah, but I loved his music too though. Yeah, he was broke. Oh my God, his voice was so creative, you know. In his voice, you know, you listen to voices and tonality, man. And it's like, his voice still to this day is distinct in his music. It's timeless as well. So when you go throw his track on right now, it's gonna bang out. You gonna feel everything in it? Yeah. Real talk. Man, that wicked album was crazy, man. You know what I'm talking about? He talked about a lot of different things on my show about Ice Cube and him coming down to meet him and all kinds of stuff. Two-part came looking for him. I said, man, you were working, man. That was cold, man. Man, so what do you remember about those times that you missed the most about those times back during the music phase of the, those were the early 90s, mid 90s? I mean the creative love. Just being in the studio and creating. You know, now it's like, okay, shoot me a track to the email. Or let me get in there, I'm gonna do it real quick and put a mix on it and we gonna see if it's a single or not, yada, yada. You know, people don't take a lot of time to go through the process of creation anymore. Everything's all rush, rush. Yeah, it's all microwave now. But that's life. Yeah. Everything, and people are gotten more lazy, that's the reason why. That's why you have Uber and all these other things. People don't wanna get in their car to go nowhere, to go buy nothing, to deal with traffic. Everything just needs to come to them. And that's the problem. Did you ever miss out on an opportunity that you feel like, dang, I wish I had went on done that? Nah. Nothing? Nah. Nothing? No regrets? No regrets. Really? Zero. It wasn't, it wasn't, who was that? Let me think of some big, it's been some big move. People be like, man, I told them, no, I turned that down, I shoulda did that. But yours usually come to you. Yeah. Yours come to you. Yeah, I ain't never had that type of situation. Yours different. Yours different, cause nigga coming to you cause he heard something in you and he want that. Exactly. So it's a difference. So I get it, I see why you say that. It wouldn't be no, it wouldn't be no regrets, man. The slim thug movement, man, just the music that you guys created together and the times that you guys shared together, what's different about him than others that you work with for us? And are you good with where he's at right now? Just look from outside. Yeah, I'm good ways that I see that he's progressing. You know, he's getting older now. We all are. Yeah. But his growth and the way that he does music to this day is still good. You know, we just had fun. Yeah. We had fun with us in the studio. And then we had some, you know, some disagreements from almost fights and confrontations and stuff like that. But that's that brotherhood though. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, but you know, but you notice that none of those situations never would get out. Nobody would never go out and talk about each other. Once they left that room, when we left that room, we were done. Yeah. We left whatever situation we were done. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? But it's, to me, it's nothing like working with somebody and seeing them get to a high point in their career and knowing that you had a part in it. And that's some of the most intriguing things with me working with Slim Thug and his brother Rayface. Rayface is like my brother. We talk all the time. When I get mad, that's the ear that I'm calling to get to listen to me. Vint, well, I'm right or wrong. And he gonna tell me, man, don't do that. And I might not like it when he say it, but he's never gonna tell me something just to let me hear it. You know what I mean? He's gonna make sure that he's giving me advice as a brother on what he think, whether it's good or bad. So I got all of that from working with Slim. Yeah, yeah. He always love them boys in blue. Now he ain't wearing that, he doing that black a little bit now. Yeah, you know, you're a whole fella. Yeah. Man, so, yeah, did you ever, you know who had the, for me, and I hadn't got him on yet. We talked on the phone a couple of times, man, but J-Dog, man. J-Dog always had the power of the potential lyrically to me, but he just all, it never just hit right for me. Man, that's how we did this. But the nigga bad though, but he never, but the nigga could come in here and do something right now and it's star power everywhere. Yeah, but that's how it is with people that have that great of a power, man. When people have that great of a talent, they don't see it. And they don't, it don't, it don't really factor into them that, hey man, I really have this crazy talent. They just don't see it and they can't apply it because they don't feel like they have it. I've been in those times where, you know, I had to come to reality and be like, you know what dude, I'm kind of a big deal, I think. Hey! Hey! I'm so... And if J-Dog ever do that, it's over. He's the DMX right now. Cause he good ain't he? Yeah, that's what he is. That nigga voice is dope. He crazy, bro. You been in studio with him? Yeah, it's the feeling that he give. It ain't even, it's the emotion that pours out of that dude's body when he rap, when he rap every word that come out of his mouth is coming from his entire body. Damn. And it's a spirit and energy in the words when he say it. A spirit and energy. Yeah. Man, I just started thinking about him because I know the nigga bad. I done heard him when he did that first 48. Yeah. All them times of phases of behind 5% attempt. Yeah. The one that never go down. This nigga just, nigga stupid, man. He hard, man. And that's the part where I know like Texas got, they got some serious situations that'll get you, man. Real talk. So, yeah, who you liking right now in the music? Who you liking? The new people. You been seeing my ball in there, Bumpy Johnson. Yeah, Bumpy Johnson, I met you, my nigga. I'm on the podcast, let me know, Jack. If I got to come hunt you down, I'm coming to find you. Bumpy Johnson sound good when he get on that mic, man. Bumpy hard, bro. He, man, that do hard. I ain't even from Lachi. Every time you put him on your Instagram, I'm like, yo. He nice. Send him to me. I think it's the way that he reaches to from a place where people are not speaking like that right now either. And he make it the way you can feel it. And it's organic, but it's spiritual, bro. He got a soul. This nigga can reach and get something that other people can't get because they ain't been through what he been through. He got that J-Doll fact. Exactly. He got that. That's it. The boy got it. He got it. And I'll show a little other here, you and him, get on track. We gonna do it. God, it's gonna be dope, man. It's gonna be hard. It's hell, man. So how we doing over here? How about us talk what I want to do with Mr. Lee? Man, you know y'all moving and moving, man. Mr. Lee, we in here, baby. Yeah, we in the building, right? So, yeah, yeah. I think this year, the top of the year coming up, man. We gonna try to kick the dough in. And it's a must. Hey, we gotta be more consistent. We gotta talk to more people, help more people, do more interviews. You think we can top it? Of course. What do you want to see from Boss Talk 101? We got Mr. Lee on the set. Or do I want to see? Yeah, what you want to see? Just continued progression. Oh, yeah? Just keep growing. Man, we got your money Moses back in here too. He be gone, he be going all the time. He coming back, don't believe me. When he come, he gonna have a lot to say. Yeah. I don't think he ever sat with them. No, I ain't ever sat with them. We always, he be gone all the time. Jail or something, that's my boy. Man. So, do you ever go back down to Houston and hang out, man? Yeah, I got kids in Houston, so I go there. You go down there? Yeah. I be in my mind, be like, Mr. Lee at the house on that day and go to Houston. Houston home, bro. I mean, I'm always go to Houston. You know, you gotta go down to Houston. Gotta go there, bro. I mean, there ain't no other way. I still got 713 on my name. But you gotta lose that on two times, though. Yeah, but Louisiana is home home. But Mr. Lee home is Houston. Well, you know, ESG and you got both that same thing, y'all, and PMC. Yep. You niggas similar. And the small town, the small town people are the one that goes to the big city and we eat. Jail, I just said, that's the thing, but right quick, y'all three of y'all. Yes, indeed. You niggas just dipped on up here and moved. Get right to it, Jack. You ain't gonna waste no time. How was the ESG thing for you over the years? Did you ever link with him at all? Yeah, me and the ESG partners, man. That's my partner, man. I was just glad to see that he's bouncing back. Man, he went through a lot, man. He went through a lot, bro. And he came here right before that, you know, and just me and Bobo, we sit down with him, man, had a good time. We ate in here, man. You know, we do it. We country, so we ate and we kicked it. You know what I'm saying? He even rapped about it. We ain't playing no game. It's different over here. Ain't no podcast ever had no oxtails and sit back. You gotta have all that. You making me hungry, man. I'm gonna have to go to Sweet Georgia Browns or something. Man, Sweet Georgia Browns, shout out, man. They still getting it. Man, they still getting it. To me, they all. I got to go back over there. I ain't got nothing bad from them, Jack. I got to go over there and check them out. You know, I love all the local restaurants, man, when you think about Sweet Georgia Browns. I like that chicken place, too. What's that one everybody go to over there? Is it Wheatley? No, no, no. Rootish, man. Rootish. Shout out to Big Spain, man. Big Spain be on the show when he comes see me, man. But, man, how can people get a hold of you if they try to lock in with you? I mean, the easiest way is to get on my social media. It's Mr. Lee, 713, and most of them, my Facebook is produced by Mr. Lee. I'm getting on TikTok. Follow me on Twitter. Yo, TikTok! I'm getting on there. I got banned the other day, but that's all right. I'ma get back. I got to get my coins out of that, Jack. I'm going straight to it. Man, I think we, dude, I get everything. I mean, you know, we play outside. We don't do this all the time, though. You know what I'm saying? We ain't trying to hear it. Yeah. We ain't trying to hear it, man. So, hey, man, check it, man. Say, man, listen, make sure y'all like and subscribe to the channel. I'm doing that more this year. Make sure you guys go follow us on TikTok, Instagram, Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, Snapchat, everything. Join the membership too on our YouTube channel. You can be a member. You can see all those videos with Mr. Lee. You might just get skits. You got to go in that gully to get, you got to be a member to see the full interview because I'm going to start, I'm going to start dropping them full interviews in that membership. Slice and dice. And Patreon. Patreon is well, man. Stop playing Patreon is well, right? We got it. All this stuff got to be happening this year, man. Check it, man. Hey, man, it's been another great segment of Boss Talk 101. What a boss is talk. And we out.