 When you just talked about innocence and perpetrators, I have an issue that is so known for several months now about animal abuse and is calling up so much anger and so much sadness. And I have worked with it with Holy Spirit for several times and then I am at peace at the end of the exercise and then I see it again and again it comes around and around and every time I ask Holy Spirit to help me with this I see animals suffering and I see this and this and it's hurting me, I hurt inside and is there anything else I can do about feeling about helping me with this? That's my question. It's beautiful. Actually we were just in Denmark and the venue that they had was a donated venue right next to a slaughterhouse. We literally pull up, we can hear the animals wailing and we, a five day retreat, not out in the country, in the city, but right there. And so probably like the fourth day of the five day retreat or whatever they pulled me up and I come out of the car, my head comes up and I can see over into the holding yard and it's literally like a ramp of steel things and they're lined up and there's a whole group of cows looking at me and we did eye gazing. And it would be no different if it was a concentration camp in Nazi Germany and you had a whole row of people lined up and they're just kind of looking at me, the cows are doing some eye gazing looking at me and they're just like, what is this, what's going on? And so this is good, I'm glad you're raising this because I want to go really deeply into this, really, really, really deeply and thoroughly into this using the course and really coming at this with Jesus in the deepest way possible. When we perceive a world where there is killing or murder or death, it doesn't really matter the degree of the death. I mean, if you are watching, there's a movie, Joe vs. the Volcano, where there's all these people that are walking along and there's a tiny little flower that's growing out of the cracks and it's just this tiny little flower with a little thing on it and the people are stepping on it. Even when we see a little flower growing through the cracks that keeps getting stepped on and stepped on, there's something that gets triggered. When we perceive animals being mistreated even or killed or whatever, there's something that gets triggered. And we have to realize that what created this world, what created this linear perceptual world, wasn't God, then it was the ego. So this whole world is an invention of the ego and that's why one of the early lessons is I have invented the world. I see it starting to pull the idea that God, like we learned from Genesis in the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. Oh, God created the heavens, all right, but not celestial heavens with stars and black holes and different kinds of realms and so forth. Oh, God created the eternal, the eternal heavens and the ego projected the earth and the cosmos. And so the ego is a death wish. So everything that the ego projects is from the death wish. For example, in this world we get apples from apple trees. We get pears from pear trees. We get bananas from banana trees. In heaven, spirit comes from spirit. All the creations of God are spirit. Christ is actually not a man or a woman. It's a purely spiritual extension. That's what creation is. You get the same from the same. You don't get different from the same. It would be like getting carrots from an apple tree. That's ridiculous. Even in this world we don't see getting different from the same. You get the same from the same. Two people that can see the child, you have a human being that can see. You don't have two people conceiving elephants or parrots or snails. You get humans from humans and you get spirit from spirit. So everything in this linear world as cosmos is coming from the ego. It has no validity, no reality. It actually has no existence except as a hallucination in the mind that believes in the ego. So when you get disturbed by what you're perceiving, what your eyes and your ears are perceiving, it's really that you're not taking in a perception everything that we perceive is projected from the ego's belief system. And remember, the ego is a death wish. So when we look at people dying, whether it's in Nazi Germany or animals dying or so forth, we still have the death associated with the form. But the death wish is in the mind. And the form is just being used to hide the death wish. The ego wants us to get upset and projected and blame and see the cause in the world because that's how the death wish is projected by seeing the cause outside, by seeing the cause in the world. And so in terms of killing, we need a reorientation to start to realize that perceiving a fragmented world is death. If you perceive differences in time and space, in perception, if you perceive death differences, that is the death. The death isn't happening to cows. The death isn't happening to people or animals. The death is in the fragmented perception. And that's why the Course is so helpful because it keeps saying one problem, one solution. It keeps saying, I mean, I just said this recently, and I keep saying this in Course groups all over the world. In 12-step groups, in AA groups, they go around, they say, hi, my name is So-and-so, and I'm an alcoholic. Now everyone reads them. They say, we have to start doing this in Course groups. Hi, I'm So-and-so, and I have a perceptual problem because you have to admit the problem so you can accept the solution. If you say, hi, my name's So-and-so, I'm here because I'm having a hard time with my relationship. No, I've got financial difficulty. No, you don't. Not really. I'm having a problem with the animals being killed, with the pollution that's ruining Mother Earth. I'm having a problem with wars, with countries, politically taking over other countries' invasions. You could go on and on and on. I'm having trouble. I don't like bacteria. I just decided I really don't like bacteria. I just have an issue with viruses in general. It doesn't matter. You could say anything. Because until we come to an admission that we have a perceptual problem, that we're looking at a fragmented world, the Bible said in Corinthians, looking through a dark west, until we come to an admission that the problem is the fragmented perception and the problem is seeing linear time and all the objects strung out in linear time, then we're just going to keep projecting it out onto specific problems that aren't the problem. And that's how you protect the ego. It's always in something in form, and it doesn't really matter what that form is. And that's also where the healing is. I mean, when I had people start to come and live with me years ago in the peace house, they would do things to try to see what would happen with me. One time, the people in the house, they had a gallon of milk that was really old, this really old, sour milk, and they left it in the refrigerator for me. And so they came home, like, you know, with a candid camera to just sit, and they came and I went up and I went into the refrigerator and I poured myself a glass of milk and I drank it. And they were like, they couldn't believe that I just drank the whole glass of milk. They just couldn't believe it. When you go into these transcendent states of mind, what is sour milk? I mean, it doesn't even have any meaning. You know, in fact, you almost, you can say your appetites go away, some of the foods that you used to enjoy, tasting goes away, sometimes the smells go away. It's really lovely. In fact, in the Course, Jesus says, you will tell, you've practiced well by this, the body should not feel at all. That's the direction this is going in. It's not from a desensitized kind of thing or a repressed denial sense, but it's from a sense, nothing I see means anything. Nothing I smell means anything. Nothing I hear means anything. You know, it starts to transcend. You go into these transcendent states. And that's where this is all heading. It's just another opportunity for you to remind yourself, no, the animals being killed is not what's really happening here. It's the fragmented perception of everything. It's the filter that I'm looking through that needs to be cleansed and healed. And believe me, in the same place, they've had other kind of gatherings there, and people have come and go, oh, no, oh, please don't have the meaning, the spiritual meaning here. So they've told us healing has been going on there for years around that. It wasn't something that was a one-time thing. They've been meeting at the same place for years, just because they had to transcend it. They had to get beyond that. Yeah, in Ireland on this tour, we actually showed a movie called Anger Management. And it's actually a movie that a lot of people will have triggers in watching just because the movie actually shows the guy, almost portray the guy as a victim and the whole movie at the beginning till maybe three-quarters of the movie was just showing how the guy was mistreated. And for a lot of people who first watched this movie, they couldn't stay all throughout the movie because it brings up so much anger and so much frustration of watching someone or something being mistreated on the screen. But really, it is this huge self-hatred or guilt that's been triggered inside. And David used to use this metaphor of the eagle as being throw poison into the ocean and you sip it a little bit of the time, but you never... Basically, you dilute the poison, but it's still poisonous. So every time there is a huge amount of guilt and self-hatred inside, and every time we project it a little bit onto outside specifics, we kind of feel... we minimize the guilt because it doesn't feel too horrendous, but we keep it. That's the way we keep the guilt going every time. The story can be the same over the years, over decades, it's the same. But that's exactly how the eagle used the stories and specifics to keep the guilt, but it doesn't make... it's too outrageous and you can't manage it. You can manage it, but that's the way we keep it. But Jesus was saying, hold my hand and let's go within together. Let me show you what you think was so horrendous is innocent, but you have to be willing to hold my hand and we work together. So basically what he was saying is, do not keep projecting outside, do not keep logging into the story outside. Lesson 79 says, to the degree that you don't define the problem, you will be able to see the solution. So basically it's very practical. If there is a story that seems to run in your life and keeps becoming a trigger every time, Jesus is just there waiting to say, can you let go of this story in your mind so that you have a space for me to show you what is really the source of this? And you were too terrified to go within, but I'm going to show you there is only innocence and light within. So please let go of this story. That's really what it's about.