 Hi, I'm coach Corey Wayne and this is my video coaching newsletter and the topic of today's newsletter is going to be the red pill and Manosphere and who better to discuss this topic than mr. L Presidente Anthony dream Johnson Welcome man. Good to be here man. Yeah, he's coming over. Yeah, appreciate it So what for the people that don't know what is you know? What's interesting is I think we were talking earlier before we started rolling is I and I started seeing I don't know eight six eight nine years ago and my youtube channel and my people But you know I'm commenting on my blog about the red pill stuff about the manosphere And so for those that that don't know why don't you give us a little? Yeah, what is the manosphere? What's the red pill sure? So we were talking about earlier and I mentioned The manosphere in my view of it my understanding of it as president now, right? It has four main sub-communities so it's not just some it's not just a cohesive movement where everyone gets along and they're all You know I joke that my followers on 21 studios the subscribers are Manisferians, you know the magical land of Manisferia Yeah my fellow Manisferians But more literally and I've talked about this with reporters and stuff that you know the New York Times and all that that Asked me the manisters for distinct sub-communities and then beyond that it has kind of what I call manister light And that's guys like Jordan Peterson to defend Malin you and yourself that make even if you don't identify as being part of the Manosphere you're a you know your man your content creator your leader and you're creating positive content and media for men That's what you do constantly Instagram YouTube your newsletter your website and women and women about 10% of my audience is Yeah, we have about 5% don't forget the ladies ours should be increasing soon, right? Absolutely But you're you're basically a you know You're a controversial content creator and you have a huge following and you want to help men and women too And you do that through education or educational media newsletters videos, you know all that stuff So in that in Jordan Peterson does that too even though he's not you know fishing part of the Manisferia So they found Malin as well He creates content for it from time to time and then but then he focuses elsewhere on politics and philosophy Philosophy even current events like coronavirus stuff like that But within the larger Manisferia more the formal Manisferia will call it You have four communities some of those are pretty well known Obviously the pickup artist community the seduction communities. It was called you have kind of the remnants of that That's kind of falling apart over the years But there's still like a you know Pua thing a seduction thing for example on reddit There's a seduction community that's been around for a long time and they have 300 400,000 followers Obviously back in the day you had in the 2000s the pickup artist show you had you know the game and all that The seduction community has been around since the 90s and that to me is the distinct part of the Manisferia You also have the men's rights movement men's right men's rights activists They're the more politically legally active part of activist part of the Manisferia You don't see that in the pickup artists. You don't see that even the migtail guys You don't see that even in the red pill. Those are the guys who focus on that whether you like them or not That's what they do You also see the red pill community Which is probably the smallest part of the Manisferia before they got quarantined on reddit about a year and a half ago now They had about 300,000 subscribers on their network And you see different leaders in that different you know different content creators But the red pill is its own distinct Corner distinct community within the larger Manisferia. They usually don't even get recognized But they are and a lot of people say and I agree with them that they basically hived off from the pickup artists community in about 2011 2012 Before that the pickup artists community was kind of one thing and then Supposedly what happened was the pickup artists community was getting a lot more feminized as feminism was kind of increasing as an even more culturally dominant force You saw a lot more pickup artists stuff get a lot more Apologetic about masculinity and things like that And so there was a kind of a wing of the Manisferia the pickup artists community that was not okay with that So eventually they hived off and created their own community and that eventually grew to have 300,000 followers At this point nobody knows how big it is because it shows zero on reddit because they mixed that when they quarantine a community The final fourth community of the Manisferia that occupies it is migtail You know a lot of people that we're talking about you know They get blasted by the migtail people the minute they make any critical comment there they are kind of There's a migtail Community on reddit that's pretty big. Yeah, they're my experience like we're talking earlier They're not the most positive people It's gonna work out for you buddy. Yep, not surprised at all We I've gotten some of the same flak from them usually not lately, but sometimes I'm sure that comment alone We'll get a bunch of people kitchen But that's okay. They're another community though They have a couple hundred thousand on reddit and then on YouTube different channels like Sandman stuff like that and They're just a they're another component of the Manisferia They're a distinct group separate from the right pill guys separate from the men's rights Separate from the pick-up artist. They don't even like the hate pick-up artists for example out of the time and They'll make fun of anybody, you know for any reason that they want they'll call, you know Men's rights or manjinas, you know, they call them pick-up artists manjinas, you know all this stuff We don't need to get into I think exact detail of each one of these communities But those are the four you have the pick-up artists. You have the men's rights You have the migtail, you have the right pill guys And each one is a couple hundred thousand Distinct members in it and there's some crossing, you know crossover between them, but each one is pretty distinct The migtail are probably that you know one of the most distinct because they don't get along with anybody I told that to the New York Times because they ask me if migtail is the same thing as in so and I was like no hell No, that's its own distinct thing that is not part of the Manisferia. They hate everybody Obviously, but the migtail guys just tend to be more combative and they don't get along with other other communities But it is what it is. It's part of being a man sometimes. There's you know kind of combat and conflict So on the red pill that you asked about the red pill as well. So it's not just a community The red pill obviously comes from the Matrix, you know in the late 90s movie Red pill blue pill and the red pill like that's why I think they called it that from as hyping off from the pick-up artists community the pick-up artists community was never creating in my opinion a framework or a theory that underlined Underlined Why women act the way they do why men act the way they do and all that The red pill was like a response to the increasing feminization you saw Of the pick-up artists community and it's a focus on truth. It's a focus on building a theory that actually in Today's culture where men are not even supposed to know this, right? It's not just these guys when they find your book and they look for advice to advice from you when they hit rock bottom On something it's not just that they don't understand women It's that they're operating in a culture that has deliberately propagandized them to not understand women and to get themselves into toxic Relationships and get divorced raped and all these things They're living they're living in 1950s in terms of behavior, but they live in 2010 or 2020 now and Having that kind of behavior and saying oh, you know will be you know, she'll love me She'll love me forever because we're married she's so unconditional love and all that it's like that doesn't work anymore and Not understanding that as a man your ass and take half your shit or more. Yeah, especially in leaving, California Yeah, lifetime alimony in California as Defan Malini said not not overly strong and independent when they get lifetime alimony And you know as you leave I'm not a historian on this stuff, but even alimony for example Yeah, it's just ridiculous the origin of it You know was fitting to a time when that made sense and now it's like you're strong independent woman You can go get a job on your own. You don't need alimony. What do you need that for? I think it should be abolished speaking of it Yeah, we have the red pill community with regards to the man a sphere with regards to its hiding off from the Pickup artist community It's a much more explicit focus on building a theory and a framework for understanding women and a culture that deliberately and explicitly Does not want men to understand the truth They want them to be this kind of dumb buffoon betas that it that they even show you on TV, right? Homer Simpson to modern family and the red pill is a pushback against that Teach men the truth even when it's cold and uncomfortable and it's forbidden from you to even know You know having a let me even on your channel the red pillars by the way they call you purple pill Yeah, they call me um or he's purple pill. He's blue pill. I think somebody call me an orange pill They've got so many fucking colors. It's like that's like all those pills to stick them up your ass Yeah, it's like I don't fit nobody's box So that's a way for them to insult you just because you you have a positive view of relationships That's all a bunch of nonsense from them, you know when they tack you like that But I do you think that you are you know whether you identify it or not It's really matter. You're focused on the truth. You're focused on facts You're focused on what works to me that makes you red pill as long as that's well I always say to people because a lot of people see me like who's this fucking shave take it What the hell are you gonna teach me? I was like even you think I'm full of shit If you apply things I teach they will work it will work for you. I promise you yeah That's a test applied to your life and see what happens. Look at it, you know So yeah, they call you purple pill. It's a bunch of bullshit nonsense. It's just an insult What is the purple pill supposed to represent? And in terms of the matrix movie where the analogy came from it would be like Cypher Someone who you know woke up to woke up from the blue pill But then he wanted to kind of go back to that comfort cocoon kind of thing And so he made a deal with the you know the the machine agent Smith was it agent Smith? Yeah So purple pill is like the mixture of the two It does have real meaning, but they're misapplying it to content creators that they don't agree with like you It's a bunch of nonsense a real purple pill guy would be probably like me before finding You know the right pill community and stuff in 2016 So for example, I understood from the Pickup Artist community my experience there building the convention that I do and things like that I understood how to pick up women I knew and so this is but I didn't I was still so young I didn't really get the bigger picture and that's the point. I Understood approaching women. I understood I'd pick them up how to have a same at lay and all that stuff But I didn't really understand women. I understood pickup. I understood some mechanics that could get me laid, which is I'm the young man That's pretty fun. That's what that's part of what I wanted to do But I did not understand women more fundamentally. I didn't understand women in the context of relationship I didn't understand even parts of myself as a man So in those ways, it was still kind of blue pill So you saw me have these kind of red pill ideas like I can go to a bar I can approach a woman I can get better at doing that over time and then I can bring a hot girl home the same night I've sex with her which most guys you know the average lifetime partner account for a man in America is like seven or like that's like the median I think according to CDC So the idea that you can go out to a bar and deliberately pick up a girl and bring her home and have sex to most guys This is like, you know movie stuff. This doesn't happen But the Pickup Artist teach you that this is possible that you can learn these things and you comply them to your life And you can go out and learn how to do that So that is kind of a red pill understanding of women that you can do that But then not having the backbone and the foundation to be masculine to be a man and to truly understand women at a broader and deeper level That's purple pill and that's dangerous because you can get sucked into a toxic relationship like that Which happened to me which Bob talked about pretty soon. Yeah, and it's very common for that to happen, too You got to pre-qualify your prospects. I like this borrowing a term from the mortgage business. Yep Because you know just cuz she's hot and got a great body doesn't mean she's a good teammate But the Pickup Artist community if you notice, I don't know how familiar you are with it But in the 2000s when I grew up in the Pickup Artist community. I found it 2005. I was very young I was 17 They didn't talk about that they talked very little about relationships and certainly nothing that was focused on fundamentals It was very like logistics and approaching and outer game as they call it focused It was only later on in about 2009 2010 that they even took seriously the concept of inner game Of understanding self-confidence and your self-worth and self-esteem and things like that Things that I think you're much more in tune with than they were in the 2000s Which again was much more topical and yeah, I coach all kinds I mean I I coach a lot guys that are married very religious no sex till marriage I coach guys that had been married for 30 years and having happened getting laid in the last 10 years I coach a lot of lesbians. I coach gay guys sometimes I mean I I look at the world is that we're all a bunch of spiritual beings having a human experience I believe reincarnation. It's like however badly you fuck somebody over in one life You're gonna be the person getting fucked over in the next that's the way I look at it So I you know I have a different perspective on things and it's like, you know as a coach My job is to help people achieve their outcomes. I'm not here to be their judge or be their priest It's like what do you want to do with your outcome? Which is always the first thing I asked in my phone sessions with people's like when we hang up today We want to get out of the phone session and then I you know I work back from that because I want them to achieve it because people pay me a a lot of money to To talk to me and I want to make sure that you know they achieve their outcome. Otherwise I failed Yeah, you're a coach not a dictator It's similar to the 20s you call and they think that we're you know I was talking about earlier that we want to control women and dictate to them. It's like no I want you to like you want to come to the conference. Let's talk like how can I help you? How can our speakers help you more importantly? And yeah, it's it's a very mutual, you know voluntary thing. That's good cool, so back to the The manosphere what yeah So as has the manosphere has it been kind of I mean where what is the state of it the stat state of the union state It's a manosphere. It's a state of the manosphere for the manospherians. Yeah, I would say recently It's grown a lot. I think the make woman great again Basically make women great again has been such a huge Cultural thing it's reached almost a hundred million people that it's actually growing the manosphere It's growing awareness of it, which that's your seminar that's coming up women You have it's a kind of like a couple's weekend, right? You're gonna have the Patriarch Edition and then the one for the women so couples can go Together this fan the men can attend the Patriarch Edition and women can attend the that's right make women great again And the future we might do a man's planning event in the future or it's a man's planning the mansplaining event of the century Yeah, it's because it's all male speakers 100% for the first year and the future we might change it But for now it's the mansplaining event of the century all male speakers and all female attendees Men are not allowed to attend 22 con women are not allowed to attend 21 convention But all men are speaking at both conferences. So this is really upset the feminists, you know for obvious reasons In the future there you help men and women. I know right? Yeah. I know how you big it. How dare you as nuts But it's it was expected to though like the outrage and all that will be live and cancel culture kind of times People have been trying to threaten to kill me all kinds of nasty stuff. They've screamed at me the internet The company voicemail that we have the vote the phone's been blowing up with these women screaming at me and stuff Same on me to die. Don't me. I mean all kinds of really nasty stuff. They wish I was never born I should have been aborted. I'm just just sick stuff, man They're trying to find the venue to obviously to cancel it even they try to trick us through email they try to like get the venue without buying a ticket and It's so obvious what they do. It's like, I know you just want to get the venues You can call them and harass management tell them to cancel us a bunch of nonsense people with too much time in their hands That's right But the man's fear I think is a very so let me say this about the man's fear in spite of some of the negativity You see doing is natural to any movement the man's fear. I think is Primarily and fundamentally very positive for men and women and for women. That's not being for the first time That's really been that's being expressed and that's being seen and that's their mansplaining Which is a term that I think feminists know it's funny if it's a you know, people laugh at it right away, but It's funny because they use it as a derogatory term towards men And then you just kind of taking it like a keto and just redirected the momentum That's right. That's right into something positive Just like Trump would do with these people that attack them or like it would happen in the mug movement They called the Hillary Clinton called Trump supporters deplorables. They're gonna say yeah, fuck animal deplorable So it's it's a positive way to deal with You know kind of negative concept like that mansplaining in particular I think has been used to silence and censor and neuter Masculine voices in America from fathers to brothers to men to husbands and all that stuff And that's one of the reasons it was so important to grab as a concept because I knew they'd call it's a mansplaining event anyway So I was like, alright, let me just take this concept mansplaining, which is what we're doing anyway in their terms, right? We're talking to women about how to be women And we'll embrace it and own it and that's by saying it's a mansplaining event of the century The biggest one the first one and all that stuff ever Anyway, the Manisphere is a very pot So feminism I view as a movement for women obviously right and an ideology that thinks very toxic But feminism is very negative for women completely especially at this point And so there's no for example in feminism whether it's on Reddit in these huge communities or websites and all these different organizations They have none of it is self-improvement focused like none of it At best maybe some fitness stuff they go over like, you know lose weight and all this stuff But really it's a very negative movement. That's not positive and the Manisphere is very different from that from day one The Manisphere has been a lot more positive. It's been about even the pickup artists You know people our conference for example when I started it in 2006 2007 They said it was like a pickup artist conference and I as the founder I never viewed it as that ever Even at the beginning when it was almost all pickup artists speaking and like one fitness guy First of all we had a fitness component from the beginning But second of all even with the pickup artists coaches and all that stuff and eventually we you know evolved beyond that too For me it was like your stuff. It was about understanding you say understanding relationships. That's your website But for me the conference is life is relationships. It's all about our relationships whether human beings. Yeah But even from our perspective my perspective as the founder of the conference It was about understanding women and it was about understanding yourself as a young man Because it was for young men at the beginning the under-21 convention So it was always about understanding male-female relationships understanding women understanding yourself as a man Understanding how women behaves of femininity things like this The pickup artists component that was like kind of as the framework that it existed in like a topical Shell to it, but at its core it was always fundamentals based understanding things understanding philosophy understanding women understanding yourself And that's why I think it's also grown so much over the years for I'm doing it for 13 Almost 14 years now, and it's evolved to have you know medical doctors Navy SEALs a lot of coaches like yourself You know that we have similar and then even you know philosophers like Stefan Molyneux All that's welcome at the conference because it's always been understanding focused Not like get laid, which you know that's fun, but it's a much deeper bigger vision than that State of the Manisphere that I could get back into that but I think it's yeah, so let me say that I think it's a very positive movement for men And now women too for the first time men for the first time in modern American history I think men are standing up and speaking in public to women and we're using make women great again to do that in a whole conference That's a very positive thing, but even for the men. It's primarily there's a little bit of negativity You know guys give burns in a relationship. They look for help on the internet They end up in a community and whatever you know it's something. It's interesting though along those lines is that when I first wrote my book It's 95% of the self-help books on dating and relationships are bought by women only about 5% Wow by men So, you know if you got a bunch of guys That are experts coaches Yeah, and you know the people you have speaking at they make women great again I mean that's something that you know women are more inclined to want to hear what they got to say because they're more focused on nurturing and relationships and because that's all part of feminine energy, but as far as the Manisphere I mean, it's it's a lot of content. It's not just people in it, you know men It's a lot of speakers like yourself and coaches and things like that. It's very positive For fathers for example, we do a whole father conference now how to be the best father you can be for yourself and your wife and your children and all that And for the men it's very positive. It's how to be the best man you can be That's like a recurring theme throughout all the Manisphere a lot of the coaches say that they have different kind of variations of The phrase for that but really like the one I like to use is from a iron ran object of its perspective Become the ideal man Not by someone else's definition, but by your own definition and that to me means being the best man You can be in this lifetime that you have before you die Whether that's next week or 50 years from now like be the best you can be express yourself in the best way possible and Navigate life and define what that's going to mean for you with your goals and values that you have and you pick along the way Yeah, the Manisphere is very positive and that's also how it's so different from feminism Feminism I've used a very negative movement for women and it's very toxic and destructive The Manisphere is about building men up and building fathers up and becoming the best man that you can be In each community has kind of a different focus Whether it's the red pill guys teaching men what they believe to be true about women and a culture that is very hostile to men And masculinity or whether that's the men's rights community trying to undo Very destructive unfair unjust family law for men and fathers and things like that For example recently, I think in Kentucky. They finally got passed in law now 50-50 custody for men and women fathers and mothers as a default after divorce, you know, child custody and most states you don't have that Women win like 83% of custody balsam like that for primary custody in America Which obviously is not equal and not fair and not good. No and in Florida now, too, they're pushing that finally I think the bill has got introduced recently to make 50-50 custody default Which I think is very American and very positive and very just and so that's what the men's rights guys That's their focus different from the pickup artists and the red pill and stuff like that So I think that answered your question for the state of the Manisphere. I should give a speech on that yet at some point It wouldn't be the first one, but it would be, you know, one of the first So anything else that We should talk about the red pill that people should know Yeah, I mean the red pill is a distinct community in the Manisphere I'm not on good terms with one of the leaders in it. I exiled him from the Manisphere That was my first ex-communicado ex-communicado exactly John Wick style Yeah A lot of people are very critical of it like the make-toe, but I still think it's a pretty positive thing In spite of some of the polarization in it and some of the negativity I think it's still a pretty good thing Men need to be told the truth about men and women. They need to be told the truth about what's going on today And the red pill I think does that. It's a good analogy too. It's used obviously outside of the Manisphere It's used in politics and all kinds of things because it came from a movie that everyone knows Yeah, I think it's a good movement. It's a good thing. I think you're very red pill I mean you're dressed head to toe in red right now. Yeah, I got this nice new hat here and somebody just gave me Also, the final thing let's say is that I don't know how much longer and I've said this in a speech I'll publish pretty soon. I said it in my speech in Poland at the convention 21 convention But I think long-term you're going to see the sub communities the four of them fizzle out in the Manisphere And it's going to kind of coalesce into one larger movement and notice the Manisphere That's part of why I wanted to be the president of it and declared that To for a couple reasons like being a lightning rod for mainstream media to attack I think someone needed to need to do that who was antifragile who would benefit from that as I have You've handled it quite well. You know, I watched the appears Morgan interview and they you know They did a good job of trying to squeeze you're not That was a three in the morning to hand Orlando. I was like so exhausted. I had some coffee when I was still just like It's like all right. That's right. They're five hours ahead over there in London. Yeah But anyway, I think long-term like the 2020 is now this decade I don't think that the pickup artists have already been kind of falling apart over the years Like it's not as organized as it was in 2000s So I think we'll see these communities kind of fizzle out or lose momentum And in general men will identify a more strongly and consistently with the the Manisphere itself We're just kind of an odd term, you know, but it's the best we have people say it sounds like a gay nightclub or something I think it's stupid It is what it is. It's the Manisphere. It's a community for men It's the world's first other first ever movement for men and fathers that are organizing together for the interest of men boys and fathers That's never been seen in the world to my knowledge and it's a positive thing too Like the feminists claim their stuff is for which I think is false and fraud basically the Manisphere. That's real These are men and fathers, you know getting together talking about the issues putting out content helping each other Navigate the world as men and his fathers and that's needed right now a positive movement and a positive force for men And that's not happening any roles in the world And I think it needs to happen and we're at the forefront of making that happen and it's a very good thing Very happy to lead it and be the lightning rod Cool and so how do people get in touch with you to attend your events or your YouTube channel? They can go to the 21 convention org. That's the 21 convention or G They can also visit sign on YouTube go to YouTube comm slash to one or you can do a search for 21 studios You can also go to the Manisphere org sign up for the the Manisphere email list And then is there a separate domain for the women's event? So for the women's event if you're a woman watching this or if you're a man and you have a wife or a girlfriend or Sister or something like that you want to send She can go to 22 convention comm that's 22 convention comm tickets on sale now And the event for women happens May 1st to May 3rd right here in Orlando, Florida. Cool. Well, thanks for coming over man Thanks, man. 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