 It wasn't all live all that gold is going to be unlisted gang only this this opening few like 20 seconds yes only the re-upload gang will hear this all of that pure gold all those nuggets people are going to miss all of those shiny nuggets those truth bombs you were dropping or yeah about the the blacks and the Jews but not in the way that people would you know the internet isn't ready for eggs okay no you have to make them ready to live our principal we have to we have to get slowly we got to work our way just missed a teachable moment very sad what's the opposite of a teachable moment dying oh no I think for other people for other people maybe but for you no like you get to live that's like what doesn't kill you make you stronger except I don't know how much I believe that what does kill you kills you like what if you step on a landmine um yeah you're not gonna step on one again that's correct well you'll think twice next time so you're stronger in your mind totally makes sense what if you get robot legs well it depends on yeah how much the how far the damage goes up that's really the problem there well that legs are good as long as you have something else working what doesn't kill you makes you stronger what doesn't give you robot body parts makes you weaker well I mean we just cracked that we've actually created a new saying now that I think everyone should adopt nice job right um oh thanks yeah you know well we'll just chat about some stuff well some people here in there maybe drop in you know as they do because we just went public got recent events recent events what has happened that we could possibly talk about nothing much night I assume you invited me I'm here to talk about the impeachment trial for four hours right oh definitely that was like the specific thing there was this like comics are lame and for kids so who cares and superheroes are even more for kids that's right that more let's tell Adam and sister go on eFap all right well they're so desperate they're impeaching someone who isn't the president why not yeah I'm thinking what if they impeach us one day for shitting on I hope I get impeached eFap gets impeached nothing will change but well I'll just get impeached I guess what does it mean to be impeached from eFap does it prevent you from responding to videos online no it sounds like it sounds like a that sounds like a Floridian festival you getting impeached Luridians I'm not following that one you lost yeah like Florida the peach place that's Georgia Georgia same fucking thing name three names name three differences between Georgia and Florida alligators Florida man Georgia doesn't have alligators they have peaches to have have out the peaches are eaten by alligators in Florida the Floridian the Floridian alligators are carnivorous but the Georgian alligators are omnivorous they eat peaches and man the discord is like fucking up on me and it randomly doesn't keep the cover on so that's fun so let's just enjoy that for the day everyone that it's just a randomly flicker for some reason I don't always do that but whatever we're probably probably awkwardly segue into it now because it was just flashed on screen what have you been getting you guys been doing such an ad and what's the thing that's the big big news what's what's going on introduce the thing that's what I'm trying to say you just go ahead Adam sell our comic book about the peaches yeah is that in here disappeared oh no well and I guess it's up to you such hey now we're working on a comic book called super villains anonymous my god amazing story about a world taken over by super villains and but they make everything boring oh it's a fantasy world definitely exactly it's very relevant to the world today and me and Adam are like no we need to bring back chaos and disorder into the super villain so you guys know that's how they operated was chaos and disorder no because basically the super villains take over the world and then they realize that once you take over the world you have to rule it so they make everything sort of boring and lame like you have to get permits to rob banks and to commit acts of villainy it's all very good you cry yeah yeah my goodness wait so you guys are you fighting bad guys like the yes but we're so so part of the plot is that we're in order to rank up in the society we decide that we have to fight heroes but no heroes actually exist anymore so we're gonna pretend to be heroes to inspire other heroes so that we can then fight those heroes to rank ourselves up as super villains hey sounds subversive I'm playing the little trailer on mute and I think it might give the wrong impression about the quality yeah we show no we show panels that door guys's panels actually sounds a bit like wanted wanted is awful so first of all how dare you not the movie the comic comic is so like edgelord oh my god yours isn't like ours it's super not edgelord it's very serious is it like like venture bros ours is yes it's a comedy like yeah venture is good that would be great is it like cheers it's like venture bros meets one punch man how about that oh that's very good it's something really good and then you had to make it an anime yeah kids like the animes rags I don't know if you know yeah I do you gotta you gotta know who you're marketing to exactly what a kid's like like the animoo they do they do and so you're gonna have you're gonna have anime stuff in there gonna be our audience likes anime I'm pretty sure sell them on it go right ahead the little chibi faces the reaction cutaways Japanese sound effects oh get fighting a robot hitler cuz I you know that we're on the right side of history here first real Hitler first issue we're like robot Hitler take them out you doing an origin story for a while I need to know his motivations you're starting off with robot Hitler you're not gonna build up to that actually we do we do explain why real hitler exists because in like video games and stuff he was like the last level you worked your way up to hitler no but that's why the joke blow your robot Hitler load that speaking you know oh hey Adam he got very upset we were mocking robot Hitler yeah well if you listen to the video we explain the logic and reason why we go after I do I am aware of this it's the idea of like you got to go for the most villainous person that has also been around within the last hundred years and is real you can't have real yes he is real I often confuse is real but no that is an ignorance of the pausing between two pieces of a word rags so what you just so mean what I think is interesting is listening to two people try and explain fervently to an audience why we have to go after Hitler that he he can't just be left to do his business for Hitler everyone guys this is he just wanders around the city shouting anti-semitic things at people he's like a meme he's like a celebrity just leave him alone who's that over there oh that's all crazy Hitler all under the bridge at second and main and he's little he's a little out there but he really doesn't like those black Hebrew Israelites that's actually the way he's portrayed in the comic is everyone's like oh it's like walking down the street being racist he used to I mean he used to be a big name back in the day but you know he's kind of washed up hey can you guys hear me now yeah we're talking about Hitler yeah great stuff continue as you were saying about Hitler he's like he's like Hannah Montana or used to be a really big name everyone knew about Hannah Montana and Hitler and years go by and it's just like everyone y'all remember Hitler because no one no one ever no one ever says you guys know Hitler there was a you remember Hitler mm-hmm his glory days of long since past well you know it's like nowadays everything has to be a sequel or reboot because you have to pick what people know I was about to say don't you feel this a bit iterative to bring back Hitler hasn't he already had his his main storyline done like come on everyone expects you to bring some new things the table but you really doing a sequel to Hitler it's not a sequel okay it's a reboot it's a reimagining it's a it's Hitler remastered are you gonna respect your cut you're gonna respect the soul so you're gonna fuck with the Hitler cut release the Hitler cut in full by the source tremendously I did actually it's funny I came up with a bunch of like racist quotes for him and I'm so like wow so she's a really good racist you created and I was like no no no I look them up these are real yeah yeah yeah yeah I'm not I thought you all invented some real killer quotes that were racist I'm surprisingly I know it's very hard to find and you scroll through his tweets he just organized them from like all this to newest I like Hitler Hitler tweets my god it'd be so awesome if you had a Twitter account yes before Twitter banned I want to know a Hitler thought of the sequel trilogy thus we've always said this it's something we need to know Hitler if well I guess not Hitler Hitler's handlers of his cryogenically frozen body if he can if you can hook us up with Hitler we would love to have him on the show to talk about Disney Star Wars someone in chat just suggested you should totally do this look through the worst quotes for movie Bob and have him say some of that in some point oh my god Hitler will be like who's a hell is this man very evil it's gonna say Hitler would be like it's a bit far and some of these quotes seem about a character this so I would say Hitler I'll pay you 10 Deutsch marks if you say that movie Bob is not the uber minge what's that service called cameo if Hitler had a cameo and it's like I want you to Hitler would make a great cameo and then you like him I want you to say by plays himself the Jewish people are fucking awesome I will you say that he's like I cannot get into this character don't understand the motivation so anyway yeah there's some the reason we're talking so much about drop some quotes from other youtubers why that would be great no no as the Hitler quotes I was just thinking it would be substituted out some other like I should make it so he hates the algerious quotes yeah yeah is it movie Bob or is it Hitler here's the quote we did a whole thing on that it was horrible so what made a quiz and you have to try and tell the difference is really hard movie Bob isn't it would be good he's quite a bit of moralized them but anyway since you hear Adam and you know you're not flimping out of existence sell the sell this thing to the audience why should they be interested well it's amazing sitch and I made it obviously it's a unique work of art that we are building on our own like so of course of course just the fact that it's unique and there's a lot of a lot of cultural stuff that we cram in here but not heavy-handedly of course it's you know it's like old school Star Trek where you know they are saying stuff about the world without actually coming out and saying it without hitting you over the head I like to think that it's kind of what the original series where Kirk gives aliens the original the original series yes exactly exactly where it's not heavy-handed plus you know I think we have a lot of self-awareness in this book which I think is unique a lot of times you see in in comics where people are overtly self-inserts they're completely unaware of what's going on we are completely aware like we take the self-insert thing to the next level basically by making fun of ourselves as much as possible so no marys is a lot of a lot of yeah this is the thing you guys were talking about the Hitler thing and I was like are we are we gonna get in trouble if we fight robot Hitler and robot Hitler actually Hitler thing beats beats us up well you got the Hitler thing I think it only makes you would have trouble defeating robot Hitler he's a tough enemy you know we we we definitely think he's not necessarily tough he turns out to be one tough cookie let's put it that way so but yeah no it's it's a lot of action we did a lot of a lot of action I started off saying you know we have to have we have to have a lot of action in this book we have to we have to make fun of ourselves judiciously we have to obviously touch on culture the idea came from an idea that I kind of had floating around but sitch definitely helped me develop it I mean he he did like a first draft it was pretty amazing so yeah no it's a it's a great it's a great story it's a very topical for today I mean it takes place in a world where the supervillains have basically won and enacted a totally dystopian nightmare where everyone must do everything that they say regardless of whether or not it's it's moral or correct so it's a it's a it's a fascinating story I love it I was working on some pages yesterday and laughing my ass off it there's a lot of jokes too it's a it's a comedy fest so your own work you're laughing with it and you celebrate how amazing it is well most most of it most most of the jokes were in fact sitches jokes that I was laughing my ass off at yeah so this is the good thing about working with a writing partner because yeah it's you can sit and laugh at your own joke but you don't know if it's really funny or not but if somebody else is is sending you jokes and you're going okay well that's hilarious then then you kind of have the you kind of know that it's hilarious so yes laughing at your own jokes it's not necessarily gonna be good well there you go what's what else what else we go is any any comments that inspired you guys making this one one camp only the best there isn't a graphic novel for that yet yeah there's one there's one comic yes there's there's one comic that very much inspired us what's that you do you want to one punch man I love one punch man yeah I basically showed Adam a bunch of yeah man panels and he just fell in love I totally fell in love yeah one punch man is amazing so there's definitely like a homage to one punch man going on in this so yeah yes yeah very much I love that comic sits loves that comic so and we're trying to up the artwork so it's it matches that kind of I mean one punch man the artwork is amazing go ahead such I was saying there's gonna be a magic special cameo as well who's good what someone's gonna be in the book who's gonna be in the book I don't know what I have no idea who these cameras special someone special movie Bob someone in addition to all right now me and I'll Hitler well yes you know the Kool-Aid mascot is one punch man yeah Mauler Mauler was nice enough to sign up for our drawing tier so he's actually gonna be drawn in the book yes you go do we have to run past you how we're gonna draw you in the book I mean if we say we have a scene that's kind of like the scene from Pulp Fiction I don't know if you remember the scene in the end of the movie which one are we are we allowed to put I don't want to know if he's allowed to draw you getting raped I suppose you know there's a scene I'll be stifled creatively do you remember the scene in Pulp Fiction right where we're movie Bob owns the pawn shop the only way okay that as if it ends with me with a shotgun I guess or something I don't know as well as character in that scene I feel like out of respect for Mauler we should give him like final say that's another thing that's that's fascinating about doing a book that is self-insert because you don't realize how how how problem at I use the word out what's the other word annoying how dangerous is yeah how annoying it is to do a a self-insert character when you're thinking okay well we have to have we we have this great scene that's like the end of Pulp Fiction but I don't necessarily want my character being the one with with the ball gag but you know someone needs to be the one with the ball gag I thank you Mauler for volunteering have it well you could have a BJ well I'm guessing you you have to do it with the cameos you go is it or we don't have the ball gag scene but don't worry what you and literature devil who also is going to be in the comic yeah guys like giant buff manly men you have like 10 women on each arm well it'll be it'll be super awesome to see what happens I'm looking forward to giving it a read-through yeah so cool we can I can I be hit your shoulder angels both of them are me I'm offering all we assume you will let us know any good I mean depending on how much I will not want to hurt your feelings maybe I won't be honest like oh no guys it's great well that's the thing though the way you can tell if I have nothing specific to tell you what's good about it if I just go great maybe we should pull up Mauler a draft I like your I like your attitude though I have the same attitude like if it's if it's not great and just you know keep your mouth shut right that's totally me I totally do that I always shut up on things that are controversial to say about that is that is me all over but well it depends you're not exactly friends with Ryan Johnson so I mean you can be honest I don't necessarily know maybe I am maybe this was all a big ploy and I'm trying to think about this you've been working for he he's my great great uncle or great distant cousin uncle so I don't fucking know and he was like if I make a movie real bad then you review it early I can make you a YouTube career and I was like oh my god thank you uncle nephew Ryan Johnson this is a great story uncle this is gonna be in the comic right yes storyline how much this is the Mauler origin story yeah it all fits in now all makes sense yeah you fat people in in the chat live right now and later when this is a void of sorts there's a link in description you can see it right there there's lots of lots of tiers different options different covers as you can see this is a you're in for a ride you got your superhero stuff you guys like superheroes don't need chat be honest so people with powers doing thing what are you guys's powers Adam has like laser eyes or something right yeah I'm the light shadow portal he has a shadow power yeah what does it what does that do which goes to the whole good versus evil I can create portals in any shadow that I see or my character excuse me my character in the comic I'm like we need to come up with names for our characters that are not our names so we stop projecting ourselves onto the comic that's the toughest thing because you want you don't necessarily want your character to do anything dumb so well my character does a lot of dumb shit though yeah my character is kind of from social justice attack in my short film so it's not really as me as I think Sitch's character is your character is not you Sitch obviously of course not you're completely different I do like the idea of like a floating robot rags telling robot Hitler what to do like on each other just be me just regular rags could be the moustache there you go gonna reference Hitler's moustache is basically Hitler's moustache is kind of a character in the in this in the comic oh does it talk a character a character of itself my god it talks Hitler's moustache is actually like a really good person but everyone always refer everyone always refers to it as Hitler's moustache understandably you know the propaganda you know now no one could wear that moustache which is which is a lot of Hitler's fault a lot of you know our fault for you know but it is what it is the moustache is there's always good people in service of bad ones what's up Gary oh yeah uh if you guys know I don't even know I'm always really bad at that adam this is gary from neurotic gary this is adam from adam yeah I uh from adam and from the adam and sit show this is adam and sit show exactly yeah no I I follow gary's work yeah I love it nice to me I think this is the first live stream we've been on together I think it is adam unless we were on an Ethan one randomly back in the day but nice to meet you again yeah nice to meet you I know we had yeah it's we all dare you rags they they run a podcast competing with evap for length now I've seen you guys your numbers are climbing I'm offended we are the long have we have we passed you up we're very close to you we're very close in show numbers too I think we're like 125 what are you at really you're at 125 this is episode 125 well really oh yeah oh my goodness that's terrifying can we count this can we count this as our 126 since technically just take your just take yeah it's download and upload the vault onto your channel like why does it look different we're we're ahead of you now that's right in front of evap holy shit what was it we haven't even come close to your 24 hours though oh well I think we did 30 right ranks that was our 30 hours I was on I was there yeah that one was seven of those 30 hours we were very dead by the end of that one yes I don't even know how many videos we covered I think it was like eight wasn't that many considering 30 hours 30 hours that sounds about right yeah that we're already halfway 25 minutes 25 is half way to 50 which is the next anniversary one did you start hitting those kind of numbers or did you start off shorter like an hour or two hours three hours this is the um I can I can help you with the useful visual on evap.me which as all of your evap needs for information the stats but that is a record of how many hours we would have we we were as we were going and as you can see they sort of like fours five sixes you can see the two massive spikes where we were drunk you would say those are too good we need to get something drunk on power this is awesome well you already started off at four or five hours so the next anniversary four or five hours I don't even remember I think we started off around four or five because we did the Jordan Peterson debate and we were like we're never gonna get through this but of course we did like it's like an hour half video I always picture like if you guys see a video you're like oh it's a three hour one I should be like how would you even possibly have you done like pots I'm assuming you have yes we did um yeah we've done multiple days the Eric Weinstein project veritas one we did multiple yeah we're gonna be doing tomorrow we're doing uh we're doing the three and a half hour vash destiny debate part two so we're gonna have to split that up because that's no way we're gonna finish that one day but there's so much good stuff in there there's so much craziness yeah how come how come you never invited us what's that about you hey you know Hitler bleach you're invited right now we're inviting you want well this is a problem yeah we're trying like I want to find a video that we could do with you that's not so overtly political yeah well yeah I probably um I don't know we'll try maybe we can find one that sort of lines up a little bit I think we once upon a time we would like to do a quintan one something to do with quintans probably worthwhile yeah actually he's a funny one I mean you can come on tomorrow if you want you want to talk about vash destiny um could do you know we'll we'll we'll exchange some notes after this stream see if it'll work out who knows but the um yeah just to make sure everyone's going I don't like uh they'd be doing their uh their comic link in descriptions check it out and and grab a copy if you want support it it's pretty neat to have fellow creators creating some core mix um I hope it goes well you play you guys planning I know I think I watched your video talking about this when you first released and it's like stop talking about a sequel we haven't even sold the first one yet I was like but you guys thinking about a sequel yeah but well promise when I'm like I want to do 10 bucks yeah like writing a script and then I'm like this is like 10 scripts sitch this isn't once I don't like oh deck kill yeah well no no our our book has a satisfying ending it does but we leave it open for a second book so and it's got a twist ending which is I think people will like so all righty well Mahler's gonna give it Mahler's gonna give it an excellent review I 10 out of I can I can say that right now he's gonna go he's gonna love this book he's gonna say he's gonna say that this is he's gonna nominate us to write the next Star Wars movie he's gonna say these guys know what's up this is this is we we're tired of this this whoa don't you guys think that the hollywood is right better than the prequels so why would we do that no I think no sitch sitch didn't you I thought you changed your position on that I think you did it on my well be clear my position was that they were both equally awful but I've actually have changed my position that the prequels are objectively better look he came to the light all right high five six high five we were working hard on the comic and we were having a discussion about the prequels versus the sequels and he he said Adam you know I think Mahler is right about this situation that's what I was listening to Mahler and then the voice just crept into my mind and I just took over my thoughts and I was like yes maybe I've been talking about super villains and a prequel sequel subject came up and I don't know anymore well maybe when we started to get to the robot Hitler part I was gonna say robot hit was little angel rags may have you know jumped out of the page and onto your shoulder was like you know the sequels really always just but which one but which one said it was at the angel or the devil oh it was both actually it was a tie yeah it was everyone knows satan and jesus they're both like yeah join forces or shit star wars sequels the sequels came out and god looks at satan and he's like I wouldn't only me we need to we need to come up with like the most obscene thing that we can do for a page and show Mahler and go like is this okay is this like for your answer just to make me go like guys how about Muhammad giving Hitler but that's really not part it really not part of the book or anything um but I was gonna say because we don't have Gary as as long as we probably like to so we're probably gonna jump into the video at this point but yeah let's do it links are available it's neat little project support it if you if you want it and uh like I said who knows who knows who you'll see in this thing if you want to if you want to pick up a copy um but yeah today we all gathered also I I forget Gary do you have any issue with uh with with watch together on your end does it work yeah I don't think so I didn't last time all righty well oh you'll want to do it in if it's so funny because sometimes I'm like gotta explain the format to like you guess whatever I'm like no Adam essentially do this they do this all time they know exactly what's yeah so this is a link you click it yes how does this work people like do I have to download something I'm actually in with my account yeah look at this we have our name oh loses who has accounts on user PCB come on I do I have a name to count well I don't promise I don't remember how to sign in but I do have one I think you have to sign in before you click the link otherwise it doesn't work so okay so because I don't know how to sign in that doesn't help well you okay so I this is amazing thing where you you go to the website where there's no sign in button I'm on no the normal like the main part of watch together the main part of watch together is a little top watch if I click the logo yes oh okay so you click the logo it goes like our rated movie the following video is it doesn't have an option of the top right like every website ever okay it's fair enough we need to explain how links work you click on the link no no no no I got the link brought there's a link a link watch together another website designed in that I cannot sign into my account through the other places well you know there are these things called websites okay and this one is different from the rest yes which is why it's unusual every website is unique I website what is this website thing that sounds pretty cool especially this one it's super unique is it like a construction site made of there's this thing called the internet oh this is and this doesn't match the rest of it this is the um this is clearly a the strange place that Hitler made does anything on the internet really match anything on the internet it's a whole collection of nonsense in a good way um it's everybody are we all we all in the following video is about our rated movies and thus contains some our rated material is that like our trigger warning yeah honestly yeah because this is this is Patrick Williams we haven't we haven't seen Patrick Williams in a while good to see him hope he's it's not correct if they haven't signed in together in so long probably watch together one two three it's okay we won't shame you for not signing in anymore all right just just in the final cut just edit this part out oh I will yeah this is offline send me instructions to reset my password all right you're me out if you exist in our if I if your email existed just in our database then all right now I'm gonna go to my email so I'm sure look that have the chat just it's not we all you do it because we're everyone can try to get only do it because it shows up on screen but I guess well they can't see it showing up on screen so yeah there's no benefit for the audience but well they can see our little icons anyway you know it's all it's all good uh this is the um star you're not showing the video in the video wow I mean they can see us in discord you know this is the star wars is made for children space wizards guy yes that is the same guy and of course I was gonna say I could talk about um the like the video's title before doing the video but I imagine the topic will come up anyway it's called what's the point of our rated superheroes and uh it's gonna relate to comics and movies and adaptations and stuff um but of course it'll be relevant because the Snyder cut is so you can show our rated things the the Snyder cut's gonna be all right right yeah looks like it are you guys super excited for the Snyder cut well I think you'll get different answers depending on who you're asking oh uh I think Snyder's hilarious as a filmmaker oh my goodness gracious this is Patrick Williams it's gonna be dumb I don't know what you're talking about so the following video is about our rated movie he has to put a fucking trigger warning for his fucking youtube video well there's blood that's pretty relevant actually is it really a trigger warning if it doesn't say it's a trigger warning it literally has the word rated in the title yeah but he could have bled it all out he's remember remember when cinema wins bled out you guys know joker right the movie yeah yeah that's that's g rated right the cinema wins I think it was cinema wins was the cinema wins I'll say that somebody we were covering wanted to blur the the the scene where Joker shoots Robert De Niro didn't they blur the blood splatter on the background they didn't blur Robert De Niro's face getting shot yeah so they showed Robert De Niro getting shot in the head and they blurred the blood splatter on the wall behind him and that was all that they blurred out it was one of the most bizarre things ever we laughed for a long time oh so that's hilarious that had to be a joke yeah no it wasn't we cover some dumb people you have to understand that you don't stand away it's we've got a whole of fave on the e-fap dot every feel like the craziest shit we've come across okay it happens um who knows if we're gonna add to it today oh for people have been saying it in chat in discord and stuff that cinematic venom is working on a response to us I thought he already had been how about he had been for a long time um from what I know he made a documentary on himself and there was a brief portion about e-fap where they said e-fap of vicious and mean it's like okay where he said lord the rink's trilogy was awful what you should watch the episode it is a it is a roller coaster that's that's allowed to be had he said he's the highlight is he said that gimley was out of character when he when he suggested that they let Frodo die yeah yeah you should it's a wild ride the wild ride um yeah so if he apparently he's making something else um I don't know I don't know how that's gonna go you know whatever wait we gotta so I said someone said mention the argument about earth isn't habitable in man of steel oh that was on free stream someone was annoyed at us for saying that um uh that they they decided to terraform earth and not leave krypton when they've got loads of worlds that are habitable according according to jor-el in the beginning and they said yes but that doesn't mean planets you can like habit because in some ways mars is habitable you just need to have a dome on it and earth isn't habitable because of a human can't survive in the woods necessarily well it's got all those buildings already made you know well just move it I'm pretty sure that's just not how we use the word habitable in the first place like uh because at one point they said like you can't live in the Antarctic as a human and it's like okay first yeah that rules out earth but also there is life in the Antarctic so the majority of earth is water and humans can't as far as genetically frozen hitler is there's even life like getting close to the bottom of the mariana trench earth life is quite a bitch to kill sometimes or at least it adapts you know it can be a beast anyway the topic we're on today is is what's the point of our rated superheroes I feel like we could answer that question before doing the video but we'll probably just involve it as it goes I think uh yeah it's to show already our rated content um so everything's shown up we'll see you next episode yeah like it would have been at last it's like it's like a before and after situation right because like before it would have been most movies are just coming out content wasn't they're like oh shit this person shouldn't see this because they're too young we should probably say that people over x age can't see this content because it's a bit too there's things in it that could that could fuck with the kid's brain that's probably where it all began and then you what oh sorry the other set is like you should tell people what's going to be in a thing in case they have personal issues with the things they can avoid it right and that's what like all I forget what they're called but when when they say like there's drug abuse there's strong language there's sexual you know they have the stuff oh you're talking about the um on tv you do it for games as well right I forget what the name is esrb is that that's the organization that does them right but I think content warnings are a thing yeah um so not to be confused with trigger warnings right oh I'm not I'm not even I wasn't even going into that I was just trying to talk about like how did it come about why do we use the but it's like yeah just to tell you to warn you what kind of stuff you're about to get and if someone said so why even have them in the first place like well because you can portray what is happening as it would happen rather than trying to avoid showing any of it or um portraying any of it and this applies not just to like gore and nudity but also just heavy topics things that we don't necessarily like to talk about or things we don't want to face that sort of thing um yes and I'm being arrested a modern rated r is you know a pg from 20 years ago or 25 years ago too it gets worse and worse feels weird how much it's changed at this point um and then of course there there are scenes in robocop that like changed me as a kid though like oh my god like it gave you robocop was famously rated r uh well no for robocop well that part wasn't I'm talking about where the like the the waste like the nuclear waste or chemical waste or something you remember that scene yeah exactly and he's like yeah he just he just he is like oh no I'm ugly and horrific you're like holy shit he gets hit by the car and he goes does he like does he like explode when he gets hit by the car yeah he does yeah I saw that I was like oh my word you knew the movie was for you at that point yeah I know I was like this is all about also the it the robot that doesn't stand down and blows the guy away blows him out the window that scene is pretty yep horrifying so and then later dude when he's telling him to stop then they made a kid's cartoon and and a toy line yeah yeah exactly robo garden cop yeah can you imagine getting the toy and not being familiar with robocop and like watching the movie and going oh shit my robocop never did that yeah you'd probably be surprised especially with yeah how that's all that's really interesting to think about how like you can make toys of any franchise no matter who is for the kids will just be like that's cool robo man with guns like yeah it's like you don't want to know well that's it's fine well don't they have like a war hammer for kids or something oh god well the thing I I remember being super young when I was first thinking like alien and predator were fucking awesome you know it's like do you know what these things do in the movies I'm like yeah I saw the movies we're like oh it's cool so cool uh I think I think it's called war hammer adventures I might be mistaken but I think it's called warhammer adventures where it's like nothing's wonderful yeah um they have like magic tree house books or something but warhammer I don't know if they have magic school bus but warhammer characters so magic school bus but they go this is the horrific journey through the the awful awful places this just a horrific universe well yeah I think that's what this video is going to want to talk about most less so the creation of it on its own more so the transferral from things that were x and then they go to y in terms of age ratings because I was going to say the simple version of getting to what's the point of our superhero movies would or R-rated superhero content would be all the reason we just established why R-rated exists and then you add people with powers in these stories and then you got what you just asked for right and it's like why wouldn't those exist what's wrong with them and so perhaps we will be provided an argument the following video is about R-rated movies and thus contains some R-rated material it's also brought to you by Skillshare sign up at the link in the description for a free trial of a premium this is of course it is of course it is be a membership previously on Patrick H. Willems this is charl charl charl I can't take any more of this man I'm leaving hey guys Chloe is going to be our new cast man where is this disgusting building I don't know what's this I don't know what I need this is hopefully hopefully it's over soon can you make that happen is this a joke I think something very weird is going on okay so at the beginning it just seemed like some kind of delusion maybe in a moment of crisis Patrick created a friend for himself I'm hoping lots of it can be moved over quite quickly you know he looks like a really like a really like an alternate universe very young Lindy beige I'm not I can't remember what he looks like he's been inside for a long time like in that movie the beaver starring Mel Gibson but I think it runs much deep I think that while Patrick was on that maybe it's cold maybe the heating broke he's the social distancing yeah from his from the air around him so he's wearing a coat maybe he's in the abyss you don't know it could be in a just an endless black void or a Patrick Willems video whichever one is distinction without a difference right I know is everyone's like oh you're being mean it's like that's okay we're past that dark and stormy night a coconut fell from a tree and just happened to land on the head of a serial killer and in that moment the killer's soul was transferred into the coconut now we're doing great for e-fap ratio intensive time I was about to say it makes you appreciate our hilarious memes I don't even know what this is maybe really really big fans of Patrick Williams we would get all of this it would be great we don't know the lore yeah the Patrick oh I think this is the lore this is explaining the like the character they hot glued some googly eyes to a coconut which I'm one other video this is I've watched one other video of this guy where he gushes on about the matrix which is an R rated movie I don't know if I already I don't know if you got oh yeah we're gonna wait for his I'm I'm just that's what I'm in for I want to get to the arguments this is buying he saw the career I put up with this pot you know coconut in the sand and he thought hmm let me get some of that sweet coconut and he drank from the coconut thereby transferring the soul into his own body wait so does that mean there's a serial killer running around with the soul of a coconut the ad r freaky friday maybe because they would have sounded like ass with the microphones try to get through the bass yeah why don't you just stand six feet away from each other and talk it's too far it'll look awkward this movie would be way better if the coconut was a serial killer maybe it is how do you know that's not gonna be this yeah you'll be better if a serial killer showed up oh no if the if the body of a serial killer went into the coconut and the coconut was the killer Patrick isn't here yet right so there's some hope he might arrive and ask better than who knows off the table right now look all I know for sure is that charles alive and he is charles is just a silly merchandising ploy no one just stipulates like this when they talk well it's the whole like overacting thing right like you like you need to act and then you forget how real people even yeah the weird arm motions and everything like it's a video game well how else i have met italians real italians italians who's only english they know was like swear words and whenever they're late they'll say oh i shall i say that i take a big sheet and that will be their seat like real proper italian they don't even do this i don't even do this don't even like minions or jacob trembling i myself have a charlain amal pin it's perfect for a lapel or even a backpack they may be we're just making youtube videos you don't have to make it all dark and gritty yeah jake the next video is happening and this time we gotta make it dark and gritty bro okay he added something in there to just get a little flicker yeah yeah uh there's like a little devil or something i don't know over 80 years the superhero genre has dominated comic books and in the 21st century it's come to dominate film and tv as well for most of those 80 years the genre was primarily aimed at younger audiences the film and tv adaptations usually existed in just the way he dresses look at this it's a style it's a style he looks like i could here let me let me say this i bet i could probably take this and make a funny like uh like a picture let me say what's the matter with turtleneck well it's not just a turtleneck it's like the turtleneck where the the jacket is way shorter than the sleeves oh yeah that's a bit weird well yeah oh yeah that's that's really good catch you know it's odd yeah i could i caught it because it's yellow yeah look he got up at the crack of dawn to shoot this well rising sun in the background yeah it is dust maybe it's dust the sunset or dawn whatever it is it's better if it's dawn it's stylistically supposed to be like that it's a color palette wow oh yeah uh is was this video made in like uh 2007 or something because is there an r-rated superhero movie problem that we're having well i think it's just not good he's laying the foundation and uh we're getting close to starting to make some claims and that's the part that excites me about r-rated superhero content not even just movies okay in the pg or pg-13 realm but in recent years there's been a shift happening a trend i find kind of strange not surprising but strange more and more often the superhero media made by hollywood is like this so this seems a little bit unfair already yeah so i mean it's it's just taking the little bits of violence and stuff and showing them at the you know against all the other stuff but also he didn't even blur the blood splatter what the fuck yeah oh trigger warning i thought it was great i was like more more more more well yeah joker um especially what's the matter with this joker is not gratuitous as a as a violence film it's no very few scenes even have violence in them and this is it well that's why this was this one especially on the the prior when he showed they hit pretty hard you're like holy shit um but you can't do these scenes if you have just one of these scenes in your movie it's already r-rated that's how it works and so yeah you know it's a risk not like there's like some huge amount of these r-rated he's he's saying like there's like all these r-rated superhero movies coming out that's not really true i mean he shows the joker which was fairly unique he shows the one like wolverine movie where it's supposed to be kind of dark because he's all old and everything's kind of terrible like that's kind of the point of the whole story 2017 right lugan yeah like this isn't the norm the norm is like avengers yeah avengers are definitely yeah and even like the dceu which was you know dark and gritty and everything now they're doing aqua man's and wonder woman's 84s and things yeah this obviously it oscillates in the dc universe yeah it seems uh in spider verse came out and that's very kid friendly right right yeah so you know and this is the thing it's like he's only shown a montage just like yeah well i'm just trying to address like what the implied point here might be and not saying that he necessarily holds these views completely it's just that i don't i already don't like the attitude and we're like hmm plus he conflated pg-13 earlier too so he was already laying an aside to his argument to go after marvel right yeah um well and to me it would make more sense if you want to crit i mean i don't know if he's criticizing this yeah it seems like he is to criticize not something being rated r but something being needlessly edgy yes yes and it's funny because i would say that the zack snider movies or some of them are needlessly edgy and they're not even i don't think the justice leagues or the batman vs human they weren't rated r were they i can't remember what what exactly i think the snider cuts been they announced this right i mean well maybe he's retarded if you take the scene out of joker though is joker the same movie i would argue not remotely the whole movie yeah this movie's this scene is essential to this movie right yeah and i would agree yeah this is the climax yeah it could have shot yeah this is the scene the whole movie revolves around this scene like well unless unless i mean they could have shot it so that we get the angle of him aiming the gun at the screen firing the audience react and then we never see the body or the shot they could have done it that way not the same not the same not even remotely the same it evokes something in you to see how rough and straight forward this is just an execution and it's all been building this it's been building this this is the emotional climax yeah it's all about this scene like i don't think joker would be like nominated for academy awards like people wouldn't be raving about it without this scene oh yeah i think everyone was referencing the it was just the interview scene the the talk show yeah totally look he pulled it out for his video he knows what's up yeah he knows get all of this i can't help but go what in the how ironic is it that the this guy is woke as can be and he's using grorschach which is the most conservative character like in all of comic fandom as his voice over i just think that's pretty ironic he's probably going to that's probably gonna be something of a tie-in in terms of like the whenever something comes across oh he's gonna make fun of him he's gonna throw it rorschach under the bus oh yeah whatever something comes across is hypocritical they would they're probably a counter argument of like ah you missed the point or something like that like rorschach the last man with principles the past few years the films and tv shows based on dc superhero comics have been aimed exclusively at adults there is currently no justice league cartoon on tv but there was an r-rated direct to video i'm a little disappointed that birds of prey uh is r-rated they still didn't show any skin damn yeah really well i do i mean it's totally wrong yeah they had the already that would be crazy damn what did they do with that movie to get a doll rating did somebody yeah i was wondering the same thing but i've never seen it i've not seen it um do you see it gary good for you what's that birds of prey birds of prey i did see birds of prey what are they doing it that gets an r-rated violence probably and it's it's pretty mild yeah yeah let's say for just violence alone it's gotta be pretty violent they were probably begging they were begging for an r-rated they're like no it's gonna watch this movie please give us an r-rated no adam that's the studio mentality they they're like hey joker was rated r and it made a lot of money hey we got another super villain who's kind of like joker let's make it rated r it'll make the same amount of money and then it doesn't matter who directs it yeah the writer director's not really right there was a comment about who it was that commented on that was it james gun who put out the tweet saying like people gonna learn the wrong lesson in terms of studios from the r-writing for uh deb pool i think is what he said it about um because deb pool people say deb pool led to logan and logan is like possibly what gave the pathway to joker um yeah it's interesting about video and then he makes an r-rated movie james gun with suicide squad isn't it going to be rated r the suicide squad i don't know but i wouldn't be too surprised yeah yeah that'd be great um but yeah as for um what is currently available in terms of new dc content and if it was all r-rated wouldn't it just be like oh well they can go and watch um they can still watch loads of really great not r-rated content the kids again yeah star wars has it covered yeah i mean like i saw a scene of teen titans in here so when we get to that like i'll agree with them on that one because well titans because it was a it was a f-ing terrible show written by akiva goldsman who wrote pacard and he's one of the worst writers out there he wrote batman and robin just to let you know hey so he's amazing he's phenomenal what complicit and putting nipples on the bat suit uh oh i i will defend the bat nipples we needed them well no i just want consistency if they were going to be on bat girl then i'm good with it but they weren't okay so and i wanted camel toe too but we didn't get that either so but in titans when we get to it there's there's something that's just there just to be edgelord oh absolutely i i've only associated that show with edgy i remember the trailers that leo fuck batman it that's what he says about batman robin stabs a dude in the dick with us pair of scissors too oh okay yeah see that's we were just talking about how necessary the seated joker was that robin stabs one of the bulls with the dick with the scissors you're like did you need that it's like yes thematically i needed it all right well we'll see how it works out at justice league movie this year the director's cut of batman v superman don of justice is rated r for sequences of violence and based on the success of a lot of these major studios seem eager to make more and to keep catering to audiences hungry for movies where superheroes rip each other's limbs off i don't know that it's about wanting to see them rip each other's limbs off right i know you'd be a little bit hyperbolic but the two successful r rated superhero movies was joker which was not at all that it was a very serious non hyperbolically violent movie with like one scene of violence and death which was a comedy so that's not really fair if you want to throw logan in again logan is so it needs that rating for what logan is it can't be what it is without an r rating like everyone recognizes that and the interesting thing about it is that it was created for an audience that kind of would have been you know younger to teenage when they saw x-men the 2000 2000 or 2002 i can't remember but um you add 10 years to a person who who saw that movie and they're going to be hyper invested in Hugh Jackman's portrayal of of the wolverine so that that movie lines up if you will and you're allowed to go a little further because the thing is i don't know if you guys remember when you watched the x-men movies but there was always people like he is stabbing people with these claws and there is no blood ever this is like yeah it's weird a lot of the times that that violence that's depicted in media is to remind us of how kind of it makes us believe it's more real and it's actually happening that it's not being colored up and hidden away but it helps you kind of it helps you get invested in the world because you'd be like shit yeah that's what would happen if this was a yeah it was a thing there was a moment too wasn't it Black Panther like one of the gods gets to throat slit open and she just there's just nothing on her throat she falls over it everyone was like yeah okay that's the because it's funny it was when they do stuff like that sometimes you're like oh are they is she okay or she oh no she's dead okay but she just faint yeah you don't really you might have missed something but yeah you know they did that in the dark night remember the Joker like he puts the knife in the guy's mouth yeah like what happened how are you dead that's almost like that should hurt a lot but yeah that's actually a good point I guess you'd have to sort of dig into their face just try and get the knife into his brain I don't know but yeah that would be an example of what they could have done in Joker but like it changes Joker and the same thing thing for the dark night if they had shown you in explicit detail the Joker executing that guy we like well this is already it's no way you're getting around it it's yes well what kind of movie you're making what's happened where is it going and what does it mean is it a good thing is it a bad thing look I'm not trying to go all hell in love joy here won't somebody please think of the children I'm just trying to answer I'm just trying to answer he did his best to be manly for as long as he could gave him a cold yeah I'll be honest I prefer to use his normal voice testosterone the cringy I'm glad it's over all right we did it we passed the intro what is the point of our rated superheroes which and in the question it implies a sense of like there isn't a point to them and it's like wow all right that's going to be super interesting so many are so many R rated movies uh R rated superhero movies are so badass you're like destroying it's a huge chunk of movies dude when when I because I went to see Logan the Sun when he fucking he like slashes the shit out of the first set of people who try and they I think they're trying to mug him or take his car yeah it is like whoa because it's like this is and it's not about like a sense of oh I'm so not used it's more so like they're actually portraying what it would be like whoa instead of you know hiding all of the gore now I know a lot of going to flood into the comments before they watched the whole video and accuse me of being a fake nerd who doesn't know the original comics I didn't even know that was the first thought but all right it's weird we're at four minutes and it feels like we're about to start you know he's doing our job feels like it's not greatly paced for a video essay but all right and claim that I'm trying to impose restrictions and censorship upon storytellers first of all I do not think that R rated superhero stories are inherently bad many of them are great it would be weird to take that position yeah even for him that would be bizarre but good I guess I like Logan a lot I'm excited as hell for James Gunn's Suicide Squad Deadpool is wait one sec fine it's perfectly fine oh so no I'm I don't I it pulls amazing I don't like how it made all of us like why did he do comedy violence is the best violence it's it's Deadpool's amazing I mean I was the thing with the lighting in the camera and the weird it's outfit is this like a macintosh ad from like the 90s it's cool it's like a it's more interesting than just someone with a with a camera rags okay it puts him above it's it's filmic cinematic it would be better if he had like blood all over him though be honest yeah if he had just had blood like all over his hands and face just pieces of flesh randomly folding from the ceiling he doesn't have to go real good okay just jam it would be hilarious in the context of what he's saying they did jam in the bat woman episode recently with a girl slammed against the windows as a jam he could do jam oh yeah it was like this weird ketchupy sort of it was it was clearly not blood they didn't know how to make fake blood which I which I imagine is one of the first things you learn how to do as a filmmaker is learn how to make a course or else there's gonna be a lot of they've had people's faces getting torn off in that show feels like they should probably you know get on it with learning how that didn't look good either though no no I'm not he's shouldn't exist and please I beg you don't accuse me of not knowing the source material I've been reading comics hey no one cares I'm more concerned with your arguments less concerned with whether or not you know your source material and also um as for he's not he's saying I'm not saying these shouldn't exist I'm gonna hold that statement in my hand see see if that changes as we go along look for a copy weekly 99 here's me as a kid when I exclusively wore a clothing with batman on it here is my collection of trades and graphic novels he's establishing here's my collection which is what do you think Gary what's that how's his nude cred trades and graphic novels a little weak personally damn you're collecting this outfit and this lighting you can go to Barnes and Noble and get trades and graphic novels not at a con it can get them anywhere that's basic bitch stuff I do picture like if he invites you over you this was the seed I should be like oh man what do we what are you a vampire yeah but like like one of the lame vampires from like uh wow what was that show why light or vampire diaries no it's like the fake documentary about vampires you don't want what we do in the shadows you don't like that you don't like those like they're all like the vampire they're lame in it he's got the emotional vampire thing down he has an emotional vampirism where he sucks all of the emotion out of a room he's in yeah he goes down with like one punch even looks like the guy who plays the emotional vampire he looks just like that guy vampires can can do vampires bleed well depends on the fictional gas but yeah because like so can so they can also theoretically cry like a vampire can cry right yeah yeah sometimes they cry blood especially in an interview with the vampire right which was yeah yeah yeah I remember but yeah a vampire has to feed on another vampire's blood to become a vampire so a human has to feed on a vampire's blood yeah yeah that's um I can't remember who who was it um Bram Stoker's Dracula that popularized that um so I remember because I'm pretty sure Joss Whedon took a lot from Bram Stoker's Dracula for his like core vampire rules for Buffy um and they have that one because a lot of people wonder the difference between like like oh with vampires can't be like zombies right it can't just be a bite it has to be something else too and it's like yeah usually they uh you have to drink a vampire's blood as well yeah it's drink a vampire's blood or or sometimes they get bit and you gotta bury them and then kill them in the grave and some you gotta put a stake through their heart in the grave or some of the ashes or take a piss on them whenever you're watching Patrick Williams video it's like a whole lot of it yeah yeah or movie grind them up in a smoothie and drink them yeah all righty he's got a kind of literal sandman scenes of single issues here are my copies of Watchmen and Dark Knight Returns whoa Amazon like the funny thing to be yeah look at that they look brand new this is like this is like tryouts for the virgin championship well it's funny to be because like he's not even like this is stuff that I'm fully aware of like I'm not even I'm like well that isn't that like entry level like you of course you have them let's see that's like you google like what graphic novel should I buy and you get like the like the IGN page is like Watchmen Dark Knight Returns yeah Batman year one yeah exactly I give you a thumb up good job I have a first printing of the infamous issue where you can see Batman's dick so look wow oh my goodness that's like from the last years all right well now we're at the point where I'm like wait what were we proving because now I feel like we're proving something else I don't know yeah if people came over to my place it'd be like this is my sword these are my guns this is Batman's dick this is Batman's dick and this is Batman's dick on the book over there if you want to check it out no well I've got an actual Batman dick I got a one six scale Batman dick in a cave does it come with its own bat vegeta cave and it comes with well erection action too inciting erection figures is that what you they're not dolls mom they're erection figures think of the the potential with them and how much they'll be worth as time goes on perfect well the one six guys are getting so detailed I'm waiting for them to come with dick and balls with erection action it'll happen I guess it already exists maybe even if you disagree with everything I say here just don't accuse me of not having done my homework my god he's bitter already that will depend on the arguments yeah I don't it'd be like if I said you can't say I'm inaccurate on this particular movie or this particular argument because I've been watching movies my whole life it's like that doesn't correlate yeah totally so now that out of the way let's answer an important question all right who were these characters originally for oh why is this relevant I don't like it if they're going to adapt and progress for the kids well that's the thing does it matter if it was originally created for a child if as the story progresses the character gets older and the audience gets older with them right at that point does the content not match its audience still wouldn't that be an argument for making it all rated as it as it progresses not necessarily in terms of we gotta get violence in there but at least it may be going for harsher sort of storylines I don't know I mean I'm wondering what is the answer to this question that would possibly change the final answer yeah I guess we'll see nothing as we need back to where this all began no we don't the comic books I can sense the blowback already the people in the comments saying um actually superhero comics were always made for adults no did you even say that they weren't yeah well he's sorry that's it it's a straw man that's bullshit uh let him go sorry I need to let him well I was gonna say I'm a little bit like off-center because it's like he's already trying to counter arguments instead of just making his position clear first yeah you have to say things first and don't start your sentence with fucking actually please actually even actually it's just amazing to be like I know all of you are gonna disagree and it's like say what you believe first please I don't even know what it is and it's even worse because as you said it's a counter to a straw man if anyone really arguing this point I guess someone out there is and well I guess he's gonna show those people out there that they sure are wrong I didn't know that any but I've not heard anyone say the comics were always exclusively for adults I've never heard that or it was the first for me either well it depends if you're talking about like yellow boy and the propaganda stuff that was out there back in the late 1800s or the penny dreadfuls and stuff could they kind of were or the pop uh or the yeah yeah but then if you're talking about the if you're talking about the collected uh sunday funnies that were put into a magazine and sold those were made for kids yes yeah I that's what I would if someone asked me I'd be like well so my limited knowledge I assume that they were they were runs and IPs and different things that were more so meant for kids to teens to adults who knows yeah they're probably all over the place much like most media and most formats yes you know from you in the late 1930s and into the 40s and 50s superhero comic books were produced primarily for an audience of children primarily even admits it as long as nobody's being primarily all right yeah all right all right read them as well they were very popular with soldiers overseas during world war two but the writers and artists making them were fully aware that kids were their main audience main audience okay this doesn't even yeah because this is like yeah this doesn't seem relevant because I was going to say there's a bunch of principles here that can totally smash those first being it doesn't actually matter who you created something for intentionally it could end up being for a completely different audience that just could happen my little pony perfect example right yeah um who knew who knew the bronies were going to evolve and then you have like uh who was reading it now define like this is the thing who it's for I'm not even sure how I would define what defines that who it's for you know it's like I don't I don't really be for a lot of different people at different times in different places like I just hard to say this is Julius Schwartz from the 40s through the mid 80s put it we were putting out magazines for eight to 12 year olds and julie Schwartz didn't like comic books it was a job to him he wasn't a comic book fan before I mean he certainly appreciated him when he was there he was the better editor at DC for sure but it was just a business to him it wasn't a passion so yeah he was telling him it was eight to 12 year olds and that's why eventually marvel came out and kicked their ass and we're in wasn't wasn't this a guy that was totally upset about the fact like he felt the little that comics were only being made for these kids like he felt like it ruined his status yeah yeah he was Julius guy because Will Eisner always wanted Will Eisner always wanted to be like a more prestigious thing like he felt bad that comics were were looked down upon he wanted to be like novels like respected yes yes and he was a pioneer Schwartz well I mean it was a good guy he was a good editor but Roy Thomas just did an interview in bounding talking about julie Schwartz just it was just a job it was an eight to five he was happy to have it he's from the you know the the depression generation where you know working was great and having an income because they knew what it was like to be poor but there wasn't the passion didn't it didn't start changing until people who actually started loving comics came in yeah this guy's like the garbage collector of comics here like it's just a job i'm just here to do a job yeah there was two editors at dc right and uh eddie this he was the better one for sure and i find it like i want to pull it sir and i find it interesting because it reminds me of the the people the the comment they always wheel out when they're talking about how everyone's man children was like uh did you know that george lucas even said it's for 12 year old and it's always like okay so when i watched the simpsons when it was coming out when i was super young man i used to watch you with my dad who was not a young man and we both loved it you know yeah that's possible it's like the idea that it's like it's not meant for you also like this is implicit statement like i don't care who you put it out for like why why would you even want to have a story that doesn't appeal this is like it comes back to walley and stuff like that where it's like these stories are clearly kid-friendly but they're some of my favorite stories like do i have to do i just i can't like them once i grow up to a certain age or something this guy's a segregationist right here totally he wants to segregate us well and that's where we're at with entertainment right now it's not made for you uh yeah totally too bad i like it i still have comics i bought when i was eight to 12 and i read them now and i enjoy them so basically mollus invoking lucas's authority and denies it self-contradictory dodd says i don't even oh take that when do i ever use george lucas as a as a like a he said it therefore it has to be true in relation to arguing people's enjoyment of stuff like the poetry george lucas we've already been over like how it's george lucas it's not the oracle no it's legal i was gonna say what about george is the oracle if anyone wanted to make the claim that uh he would decide you know x y z is like it wouldn't take long for him to say something that you can be like okay nah okay going a bit far with that wasn't george lucas like super praise worthy of tfa when it came out he was like totally chill with it i can't remember what like stuff he said in relation like he approved and some people like i thought he was devastated by it i thought he was like you guys trashed my treatments what the fuck what is that garbage that maybe it was all like sort of uh promotion and that wasn't you know i thought he was crying during the premiere statements he made out you know he's like it's something to the effect of it's fine right right i just he loved tlj i could have sworn his tlj comments were very like limited and then it was like hmm i thought he sort of was like he gave a backhand a compliment which ended with there's no new ideas in it that was big uh yeah that was yeah that that hurt him um because whenever you appeal to like an outside source just for their perspective and opinion we had this when we were looking at um the twin perfect video um they started playing as x knight a comment or someone from some audio track and fringy was like stop appealing to an authority or whatever and it's like well it's fine if they want to present someone's argument or someone as a as an example and then you can approach their perspective as in in this case look julius schwartz said this it's like that doesn't mean that what he said is true just because he said it true yeah what it means to authority yeah and what it means necessarily i suppose in this context is he's just saying yeah these were the people who are our main audience that doesn't mean the stories aren't going to be read by all kinds of people it's just it's just a weird but you know we'll see where he goes with it i guess you could pull out ten will eisner quotes that totally put that to shame easily when stan lead jack Kirby and steve ditko revolutionized comics with the marvel you why would you get a picture of two of them and then labeled them with their names and then say not pictured a third one that you didn't just put a picture you could have just gotten a picture of it all right why did he get a picture of the poor man he's probably going like hey one's enough i have okay all right it's fine whatever not more in reverse you guys should do some fad minis about my little pony friendship is magic i i i haven't hey no hey you know what it's i like the people recommend us media that's cool kirby and steve ditko revolutionized comics with the marvel universe in the sixties part of their approach was skewing just a tiny bit older the comics were still kid friendly but they were a little bit more psychologically complex for a target audience of i i have to rush i'm very late to an appointment but very late indeed and he says the poor kid she was me and who can blame her the only reason alicia put up with me was she's all his friends are blind some freak from another world and why shouldn't she because my dick is all my friends are dead how could they put that in a comic oh my god this should be all rated talking about his rock hard dick well then she couldn't take me anymore oh there you go she couldn't take him anymore we're doing the the whole like yeah we get some some stuff we're doing the concept is like should how cruel is it that he is treated as a monster for this unfortunate result and it's like oh my god it's probably because he looks like a big monster that's cruel ranks shouldn't judge a book there's cruel i'm sure he's a nice guy yeah but you might have some relationship issues i don't have the thing i don't even work out with the blind chick the thing come on evap we'll we'll talk about your monsterous face i want to hear about how a blind person couldn't you know not even they could see the point here relationship 10 teen year olds the fact is people tend to become a fans of superheroes as kids my generation was introduced to the genre mostly through the cartoons about x-men spider man and batman plus the 90s batman movies on its most basic level these are stories about good versus evil full of bright primary colors and larger than life characters what's hard man doing the superman back there this is this when they say stuff like this in these videos i'm just like all right all right where are you going with this then yeah where we go i like they're cool i'm in the car with patrick williams but i'm not sure about the road we're driving i'm not sure where we're going how dark the grippers kidnapping you yet or not primary colors and larger than life characters no matter how dark and gritty and marley complex they sometimes become marley yeah what was that that was weird it was that watched together was that his video that was that was him that's the thing that came up before in the um the first two minutes ish like a little character i think it's whenever he says gritty i was at his name possibly gritty primary colors and larger than life characters no matter how dark and gritty and marley complex they sometimes become at their heart these were designed for younger audiences and you know what that's okay lots of great okay yeah we're all sitting you're like all right okay i i guess somebody out there didn't think that okay yeah i'm assuming he's building this because it's going to be relevant in a moment to something else that's all i can say why i agree with your premise here patrick i'm on your team for now things were made for us miyazaki movies are gorgeous emotionally mature pieces of art i know for a fact that you yeah you right there have cried watching at least one pixar movie and lest we forget old george lucas himself created star wars for kids that's a film for 12 everyone okay now yeah there it is for a very large audience yes you know the george lucas the the apex capitalist was definitely ready to make those movies for a lot of people kids included i don't think they don't even realize how this is folding back on themselves when the people make this because you know this comes around right the whole like why do you kiss so much it's meant for children be like are you implying that because the story doesn't have the gore and the the nudity and the drug use that that's the key element to make us justified in getting angry at a bad story like those things instead of how poorly they botch a story and like messaging or consistency whatever if there aren't tits then don't even bother it's like if you know like if star wars did just have this random full frontal nudity it's like finally i could be angry at this movie because it's for me now i just know we about the children there's an important distinction that i need to make here there is a difference between something made exclusively for children and something that is appropriate for children like star wars um yeah that would come into that exclusively for children is probably like tally toby's i guess yeah exclusively for children that's why in the last jedi it's it's you know intersectional feminism is something we need to be teaching 12 year olds they gotta understand absolutely who's this fucking bear wait what bear is yeah this fucking bear he speaks Spanish probably oh right what did you think it was what did you think it was i didn't have a frame though that had it now i do oh i thought you you just took that for some this took that for some like a beaver or something like it's so cute raise how could you call it a bear he's a cuddly little teddy boy oh girl it's a pink bow so that's a girl because it has a bow yeah you're assuming that's gender you bet your ass i am and something that is appropriate for children the former is something like dora the explorer arv say dc superhero girls oh my god look at this yeah oh my goodness i don't even i don't know what this is i've ever heard of this i have never heard of this so i guess we have that one woman girl back girl on the left owl girl we have owl hawk lady hawk girl hawk girl and then we have uh the cockroach the wasp and then beagle oh i didn't even know i don't know what wasp is i don't know i guess it's wasp and then we have we have the the snake charmer which is why there's a sound that snakes make he he's arguing that robocop should be in this style right now yeah what no it's exactly what he wants that's exactly what he wants he set all of the footing that's required i would say to now not need this video to exist so like i'm curious where we're gonna go you know the left is something like batman the animated series and that is what we're talking about here that show is ostensibly a kids show it aired on the fox kids block of saturday morning cartoons during the 90s it spawned an endless line of kids merchandise but as we all don't think that's a qualifier for i how you know i mean like we just talked about like so much non-kid stuff that generates kid merchandise like why why are you bringing that up we don't yeah the merchandise is secondary we're not exclusively for kids batman no of course it's just that like he's like yes yes but it's it's aimed for kids and i'm just this is gonna do a lot of work for wherever he goes with it like making sure we agree on that i'm just like mmm i'll know it was made with such a degree of artistry and intelligence that adults loved it i would argue that it is the single best version of batman that exists in any medium the show's feature film spin-off mask of the phantasm has significantly greater emotional depth than any of the live action batman movies and to date none of those live action batman movies have a sequence as disturbing as the one in which the joker tortures and brainwashes robin in batman beyond return of the joker i don't have much of an issue with any of this i'm just like all right so where are we going i'm still waiting because yeah um yeah what i i'm still waiting for the punch line yeah because i'm we're just trying to get to the point where he starts to say our rated superhero movies shouldn't be our rate i'm assuming that's where he's going we're we're only eight minutes and 30 seconds in the video i mean do you expect to know what the video is about eight minutes in i mean i would i want to know in the first 10 seconds i already know from the title what this is about that's why we're all waiting for him to get there we're just like oh my gosh joker turned him into a little clown boy he did yeah oh my goodness and all in a kid's cartoon so as we continue this discussion but if it's drop but if it's not like a violent or realistic depiction of those things and it's fine like you could have murder and killing and kid stuff i mean they'd straight up plug bad guys in johnny quest but it wasn't depicted in like a horrific or graphic way yeah kids can handle like death and murder and stuff it just depends on how that's presented to them and then you go bambi would always be referenced just like jesus christ the mum just gets annihilated in that opening y'all remember the um you guys remember the mechanical shark from james and the giant yeah that thing was scary yeah that shit was spooky and like holy shit what a oh that's a scary one yeah that because something is aimed at younger audiences it means it's any less intelligent than a hyper gritty r rated movie if you're embarrassed to enjoy kids movies why do you think he's inserting those frames for a meme i guess it's like a little joke meme thing i don't think any of us i've ever said that like intelligence directly correlates with age rating it's like there's like a little monsters ink guy in there that flash real quick fine but that's on you so starting in the early 70s a shift started occurring he's got to have a fight club reference or something like that's a fight club thing he's there's gonna be a fight club reference i'm guessing gradually comic book started targeting a slightly older audience who were demanding more realism and more complexity in their stories and this steadily increased into the 80s and 90s why what was happening here well to find out i did some digging cracked some skulls sent a couple emails until i reached the source a man who had experienced this all firsthand i talked to jerry conway co-creator of characters like the punisher jason todd and killer croc writer of the death of steicy and an eight year run on justice league from many decades the i guess i was expecting something different jerry conway who wants to now cancel his own character the punisher because he's a pussy really oh man has to say all right perception of the audience for superhero comics were boys between the ages of nine and 13 but starting in i guess the the 1970s as my generation came in as creators we started trying to create stories that were still of interest to us we wanted things that we're going to address the concerns that we have now as older adolescents or young adults and this persisted through the decades as we creators grew older and as our audience grew older the tone of comics and the the perception of the audience started to shift away from that original conception of kids in their preteens i think that the the stories that we did and the turns that we made were artistically uh uh justified but from a practical publishing point of view abandoned an entire market just to follow uh a uh dynamically decreasing like it seemed to me to be uh pretty self-destructive i don't object self-destructive like it doesn't mean like in a in a capital sort of way like um we're gonna be making less money because i wouldn't necessarily consider it a bad like choice to be like you know what our audience is getting older we're getting older we're gonna move into telling different stories it's like oh it's self-destructive because you won't have many people as many people to read it it'd be like oh well i don't think that's as much of a problem oh did he say something we're commenting on it it just depends on how you'd sort of define self-destructive i mean i know like people who were coming in in the 70s uh were more into comics they were actual fans now so you you're you've got like the next generation who actually gave a crap about these characters and yeah they were telling more sophisticated stories and denny o'neill was you know putting in politics here and there uh with uh with batman and uh green lander and green arrow con conways a legend not gonna say but he's you know come out recently against punisher because of all the crap going on in the world uh and a lot of people have wanted to cancel that character for including joss weeden joss weeden hates the punisher so because he kills people is that why his because he got pregnant said if he took over the marvel universe first thing he would do is kill the punisher the fuck oh well what's what's the beef with the punisher probably because he kills people i guess yeah with guns you know like he's vigilante oh yeah joss weeden's very anti-guns the punisher isn't a woman josh weeden can you know abuse since oh my god that's you can still be mean he heard the punisher got pregnant the punisher fights back that's the problem yep god damn it the but you can't lose the punisher the punisher is like you need him to help represent a scale like the punisher is a great little addition to that sort of um a sliding scale of where all of the heroes lie like punisher rests on like as far as you can go before people will start definitively calling you a villain like um and i think it's important to to address that line to talk about it and okay people love the um what's it called the story where he and daredevil crossover or at least have their um is it because i you're gonna know this better than i will gary but like um because they do it in season two of the daredevil show right but that's like directly from the comics some stuff is borrowed from the comics like the dare uh punisher got popular because he was in daredevil frank miller's daredevil so they borrowed a little bit uh from that or actually a lot but it's it's not it's kind of like the comic but not really it's hard to explain unless you read it but they were following the same beats uh love daredevil on netflix too it's fucking great dynamically are quite violent um that's like there's certain characters that are absolutely built for rated art obviously i mean batman's kind of in between you can do both right and daredevil should absolutely be a rated our character all the time uh unless he's in like guessting in a spider-man movie or something so well yeah it's like when people um go ahead go out no you go first i was just gonna say there are some um when people find out like oh they're doing a this thing for this character and then they go it's not gonna be all rated though you'll be like oh like like if they go more combat movie it's gonna be pg you'll be like what how what even what it's like warhammer but just without all that violence these are the things it's not like an appeal to we want gratuity you just be like oh that's strange but um like you know because if the storytelling is like amazing but at the same time they don't have any gratuitous violence for the model combat movie it would be very very odd and the same goes for stuff like daredevil and punisher like every time he shoots his gun the camera cuts away and you're just like all right it feels like you're gonna get a very different experience when uh when watching something like that but anyway let us see what else this man has to say well i i'm just curious if he's i'm curious if he's arguing that those dark desires that human beings have should not be explored because i feel like exploring them in our fictional media does us a huge service because people don't have to live out these complex feelings that they have about you know wanting to kill their neighbor because he fucking did some shit with it their hedge or something you know they can watch a movie and think i would assume that they're gonna be gunning for should it come from its own thing rather than be transferred from something that was someone else's thing that's probably what it seemed like over time should the stories mature up or should they just start something new if they want to start telling mature or you know more adult things i don't know we'll have to see i didn't i didn't see birds of prey but i'm under the impression that birds of prey lays out a particular type of fantasy for a particular type of person someone maybe hates men someone who thinks all men are evil someone who really desires to like bash their heads in with a baseball bat you know it's exploring these complex feelings with people out hey it's a theme okay man i mean you guys kind of suck i suck you know we it's uh it's uh too many males on this podcast fucked up there's some diversity in here i know we have a shadow person but i'm just saying you know there's complex ideas that people like to explore in their fictional media rather than in their normal lives where you know there's consequences to exploring those ideas oh yeah i know i'll give that's another thing that are rated pretty much guarantees a lot of time except with like really shitty writing but your heroes won't be protected from consequences and because typically it'll be like they have they're free to have everything that should happen happen that's kind of what i was saying with the wolverine stabbing people you're like ah we won't be limited by ratings which happens every once in a while you'll watch something you'll be like wait that oh right this is for kids so okay yeah i can't tell if he's making the argument that the depth of our human exploration should be dora the explorer well the yeah the dora the explorer is about exploration the part that stopped me here is him just saying it was self-destructive but i don't know in what context he's referencing that if he strictly is referring to how much money they could make then he's probably vaguely correct in terms of they'll make less but i just don't know that that really matters when you're an artist trying to you know tell your stories it's like oh it'll appeal to less people it's like yeah but is it is it with telling how long before they launched or the gender explorer gender explorer comes out as non-binary or the gender explorer i'm sorry i also don't identify as going to like the gender cave just he's a tiger now light it up uh a uh dynamically decreasing market seemed to me to be uh pretty self-destructive i don't object to the idea of story who who has more money kids or adults well the adults are kids though right i'm just saying yeah you gotta buy one for you and one for your kid true stories aimed at adults but i believe that those should be the uh the tail and not the dog they should be the thing that that whoa wow slur can go to uh after you've you know grown out of the original uh uh material and they should be the thing that you go to when you grow out of the original material well if it was written well i wouldn't grow out of it but like isn't that what it is it still would be that at that point wouldn't it because it could still be that i mean it could operate that way he's saying like are we built comics for you know kids for so long and then we started to build them for like older people and it's like well you probably shouldn't do that they should be the tail of the dog i don't even know what that really means it's like it should be the thing it's probably one of those old boomer sayings because i was gonna say i know a lot of boomers saying but i don't know that like like it should be the exception not the rule well that's what i thought he was going with but then he said it's the thing you go to after the other thing that's how he characterized that so he's so okay graduate to it kind of yeah like the thing that's weird about this is you know for the examples he was talking about you know death of jason todd and some of these other more adult comics uh in the 70s and 80s like i would still read that stuff if i was eight or ten like i'm not gonna be like oh someone died in this i'm not gonna read this comic anymore did i agree with this point when i'm done with the original material i immediately look for port of it well yeah it's fair enough yeah i guess that kind of applies all right that would be the tail end you see i have to go find that comic book with that man's dick that's not everyone wants after you've you know grown out of the original uh uh material and that material should be timeless and should be aimed at a at a young readership with a uh a slightly less sophisticated or less uh why demanding you know uh why best story speak to both though they do speak to both the kids can understand a man the adults can under it should be less sophisticated that's interesting like what kind of story appealed both ends of the age spectrum yeah both all rather um so it's just a way to phrase it it has aspects that are less sophisticated that kids can understand and aspects that are more sophisticated it'll go right over the kid's head but the adults are sitting there next to the kid going wow this is amazing absolutely yeah lots of subtext stuff that helps as yeah a 30 year old reader might have there's nothing wrong with addressing a 30 year old reader but that should not be the mainstay of your uh i don't follow that why not you know if if someone said you shouldn't appeal strictly only to 100 year olds i'd be like why not if you want to do that make your comic 100 year olds i don't know that's a that's a diminishing market it isn't well it's a small market it's sort of cycles you want to corner it that's the thing yep yeah totally you're the guy that caters to 100 year olds the sentogenarian weekly i would like to read a lot of readers but they are devoted i'll read a spider-man comic exclusively for 100 year olds i'll see what they do with it i'd be interested the words will be really big yeah it's like a spider-man to the old folks home he's just like it's like when you see your grandparents yeah on their on their cell phones and the words are massive on it well do you guys have a like what about grandparent's house what was much younger they had the telephone you like hold it holy and you'll have each button was the size of like two thumbs and it had the the double is huge on each like oh man well you know if you need it efforts when you're dealing with let's face it a fundamentally silly uh and childish conception of fiction uh i don't like superheroes are fundamentally silly and childish what why would you say that yeah sorry epic of gilgamesh fuck you oh that's the kind of state where i'm just like this isn't gonna work when you stuck out the definitions as a like you see it's it's silly because they wear costumes you're like does that is that it is that's what actors do well it's silly then movies are silly think fundamentally silly and childish it's the kind of thing where i think a lot of people would agree with it in passing but then when you really dig into it you're like but that's not really a fair comment at all is it not really silly because it's superhero i don't know does anyone gonna describe yeah the bible's for children because it's about a superhero let's say well that's what i'm saying about like he mentioned loken and uh well dead pool maybe this would be easier to try and argue with silly but like who calls logan silly like it's like okay but it's fundamentally silly it's like who's saying that no one's saying that no one they're they are trying to get silly out of the costumes no of course the silly costumes i've gotten this costumes have gotten a lot less silly over the course of the year and that's why i'm totally willing to agree on aspects but like saying it's fundamentally silly the concept of superheroes i'd be like how not silly at all no totally no i have no problem with i think the costumes have gotten worse well the costumes have gotten much less imaginative over time seems to be there seems to be a little a smaller resurgence in the past like it there was a there was an era where they were like no fuck the source we're just gonna go for like costumes that people might wear in real life and now they're trying to like combine that trying to be like you remember that the source is this okay maybe if we can tone that down move that around like they seem to want to do that yeah like a lot of the marvel costumes like you know this isn't you know like silly and jolly but it isn't like dumb and drab either yeah it's kind of balanced with a lot of that stuff and some people are asking by the way what's the problem is silly it's like well so the the argument being made is if it's fundamentally silly then shouldn't it be uh created for a younger audience kids yeah well i hear silly and my brain thinks like so it doesn't make sense like silly mean like nonsensical and sure um like it's absurd yeah and in the way like excellent like you're super here wearing super bright strange and colors you could be like why would you uh not want yeah are you running around in your pj's i'm more hung up on childish silly ones it depends on the character yeah yeah well that's the thing in certain context i i'd love it to be like i said bad man robert i fucking love it and if someone was like shouldn't we make it less silly i'd be like no no you crazy more more more give me more so yeah it's complicated but like to argue like that is like baked into super here con is like mmm but we'll see where we go in next patrick where you taking us oh i hope it gets somewhere we're fourth of the way through when he hasn't made a point yet we're back to like the sketch oh no did you just get a notebook delivered pat said he was sending us the script for the video it was nice of him to write it all out by hand twice uh uh is yours really damp yeah and it has this weird smell you're so what's our assignment this time more dance montages um i think he mentioned we're supposed to find ways to make the video gritty gritty like the lovable orange monster from philadelphia i literally can't imagine he meant anything else so what's up with the ratings i'm glad that you have people willing to be in your videos he pays them surely well he's super lefty so he might not oh maybe i don't know you know how you know how they are with me or their stingy capitalists they're very good at paying exposure for non-american audiences the r rating in america you can't pay women an exposure that sex is what oh no really don't expose yourself not for patrick williams have some have some stand system for non-american audiences the r rating in american film given by the motion picture association of america stands for restricted and means that if a viewer is under the age of 17 they are required to be accompanied by a parent or guardian now the american rating system is famously fucked up lady bird and the king's speech are rated r and so are the passion of the christ and the raid two and the hostile films and look i know a lot of people see all rated movies when i mean yeah sure i guess to it there are there's two levels of things so there's ultimately it's run by people they do presumably their best i don't know that they would have some kind of agenda to want to r-rate things to get them away from the maybe there's some people like that but i imagine it can be tough sometimes to know exactly where a film should be rated right and i'm yeah especially when you've only got like basically four categories to work with right and of course reasons for the rate like in king's speech they there's like the whole scenery says fuck shit like a hundred times that's probably why it has the r rating yeah totally two f words yeah pg-13 you're only allowed one fuck you've been the worst door they explore says the f word twice and it's rated r and then also it's right but if she says once it's only pg-13 yeah it's like her fuck boots can we just go to the goddamn beach having like um yeah to get r-rated let's say for an r rating uh all you need is someone to get shot through the head and to show through the whole thing do you have like a joker type film or something with just that scene and then a film like you know flesh pound the film where they just this just all go constantly is like how are these two films rated the same it's like well that's reductive is the like this the idea is just that they both qualify it's not that they both have the same content or anything um but you know fine yeah i i agree though in some sense that like there's there seems to be some weird shit going on with how things get right yeah super smash brother's melee should not be rated t for team so it's so terrifying with the hand when it grabs you and throws you around i don't know you get yeah you get yeah with stuff for us gotta be rated so violent and their kid i did too but also a lot of parents are strict about that and will not take their kids to see an r rated film okay and hollywood knows that okay so the choice to release a movie with an r rating essentially means that they are deliberately cutting off a potential younger audience okay and this is where things get interesting with the content inside of it he says this is where it gets interesting i'm just like all right finally all right finally we're getting somewhere sort of 45 seconds here we go when we have these major corporations producing movies based on characters originally intended for children but saying this is not for them anymore see the thing about hollywood is that it's any more and it's never had a monopoly on them exactly yeah and we're making a specific story for adults about the joker takes place in a completely different world without a batman doesn't mean like no more kids you're done that's it you had your fun and if you had a kid who was like oh but dad i really want to see joke because i love the joke you'd be like yeah you can see it when you're old enough for now you're gonna have to just enjoy all of the other joker content that is suitable for your age why is this even being brought up this is just like yeah that's how stuff works i guess a reactive it never has any real plan it just constantly attempts to copy and replicate whatever money after the huge opening weekend of the first deadpool movie filmmaker james gunne wrote over the next few months you'll see hollywood misunderstanding the lesson they should be learning from deadpool they'll be green letting films like deadpool but by that they won't mean good and original but a raunchy superhero film or it breaks the fourth wall yeah so i believe that hollywood will miss the point of a lot of things and they'll try to copy the aesthetics and the surface level stuff instead of the deeper meanings or the heart or the soul of something a lot of people say that like uh that's what suicide squad was like almost a mishmash trying to copy several things one of them being gardens of the galaxy which you can tell from the soundtrack they were like gardens of the galaxy used a lot of pop songs from like the 80s and stuff we should do that let's just throw them in randomly and turn them on and off randomly like there's no rhyme or reason they just show up and you're just like oh there's another song i guess because that's what he's highlighting they'll learn the wrong lessons and stuff but like this is just a problem that's everywhere this is an exclusive to like our rated superhero because he's already conceding seemingly the dead pool was worth it being an r-rated dead pool and i'm assuming he'd say the same for logan despite al wolverine being very much a character that was appreciated by much younger people so i'm curious how he draws the line is it is it not the fact that it happens but the fact that it gets bungled and it gets excessive for some projects and it's just at that point it's like yeah you have a problem with something else at that point totally agree with that and it's more r-rated superhero movies assuming that's the reason it was successful and a concern i have just like jerry conway said about the comic book industry is that by continuing down this path they'll lose the next young audience that is supposed to find these characters you can't say this while showing avengers age of ultron being promoted here for children like there's way more kid friendly stuff happening still than there is r-rated stuff yeah especially when it comes to marvel i think we're either a good balance or we could use a little more r-rated stuff like um and i'm not looking for like gratuity i'm looking just for um again stuff like joker logan whatever like um marvel is filled to the brim for children to enjoy that it's so weird that he would appeal this way where it's like yeah you'd be the dominant content for superhero stuff that kids can enjoy that's what you're referring to yeah for all outliers just enough of that deeper stuff to make kids go huh yeah and and and so you can't appeal to the idea that there's nothing for children left he has to go for a balance and it's like the balance is clearly tipped in children's favor so i don't know what what exactly your advocate for other than enough no more r-rated children stuff or r-rated adaptations of children initially uh created characters or something which is just like dude yep and i don't i mean conway was talking about comic books right which is going through a completely different problem than film that would i wouldn't call it a problem with film by the way but the comic book problem is is going uh too far down the watchman road with certain characters over and over again for too long i felt like i feel like there's an argument for possibly them being excessive right like i i would totally see that argument well comic comics burn everything out right they they if it's successful they'll copy it and just you know it's better to burn out than fade away and that's fine uh but the problem currently now is is political and ideological uh they don't want to tell heroic stories there's people hungry for them there's still a huge market out there and that's why manga is selling like crazy right now and indiegogo projects are doing well and back issues are selling really well but nobody's buying the new stuff uh it's political i wonder would consider all the woke politics being shoehorned in the comics is you know inappropriate adult content or would that i'm sure you would consider it just fine probably just fine with it politics you bet he'd be totally fine with it and he would come up with a reason why his politics are absolutely okay but politics he doesn't like those things i'm not even quite clear yet if he's simply taking issue with like the baseline stuff like gore use of drugs and nudity or if it's something more significant than that like um yeah Harley is a character on a cartoon for kids but those kids grew up and took the character with them and now she primarily does he know that like kids are constantly being made well this is the why i'm confused because he seems to be going between these arguments himself he's he's almost highlighted right now ah that's why harley quinn stories have changed from being in almost entirely like uh bouncy and friendly to oh now she's in a movie that's all right i'm a cunt well yeah i was going to say that's sort of a side but agreed but the but then he's like yeah he's like that's that that explains why that's happening but you know now she can't be enjoyed by kids like well what are you talking about all that stuff you just said that those kids enjoyed still exists all those kids can still watch it if they want to they're in the same way right that um something like a harley quinn if we just pretend that he's 100 right she was a kids character now she's been made into an adult character and that sucks because children can no longer enjoy her who are being as rags so aptly pointed out created now on that little um conveyor belt of in the baby factory they're all coming out and they can't enjoy here harley quinn oh no but like but there's all kinds of kids content getting made this brand new that they're all gonna love everyone grows up with different characters it's okay um i i i know that there'll be parents who are like no no no someone like harley quinn or whoever is like no this carry is amazing i want my children to grow up with them and i'd be like oh yeah that's still you still can in the same vein by the way that i would happily show my kids if ever i had some the ot i would hell i'd show them the prequels i'd be like yeah and stuff is still like you could still put the dvd in the tray yep or stream it it's still good and then if they were like because it's not new the kids don't give a shit i mean the first time you see it it's new and and it's so well and i was gonna say and if someone was like oh you know the sequels are still kid friendly you can still show the modern star wars that's built for them like no they're all right they don't need to see the sequel it's gonna be fine there's a lot of kids right now exclusively reading manga and older comics including mine they're there you can read those books whenever you want we're not any we're not in a children of men universe there there's we haven't reached the last generation of kids and here comes the uh there might be some being made right now and here comes here comes the super taker right the what people want and what is created sort of working tandem to a degree and so like if you're going to advocate like we should stop doing that you're like well clearly people like it and want it and if they didn't it'll die down and if they want more of it it'll ramp up like i don't know what else we can really advocate for at that point in terms of like i don't why do you guys want more movies like Logan where you take a superhero you all know well and they put them through a really raw and rough situation to have a movie that's very introspective rather than cheery about how he beat the one the day and be like i don't know i'd be game for that that's all i wouldn't mind seeing it and then if a bunch of other people see it and go you know what this is my yeah this is my jam i'm liking this because i i'm in this for different reasons but i stayed for different reasons and uh yeah i guess we'll just see how this all unfolds really exists in me adults the hbo max cartoon and the r-rated movie birds of prey and these things aren't bad the show is good and the movie is pretty solid i think like really solid i mean i haven't seen it i just wow see that's a low rating considering right we'd expect him to say it's great pretty solid pretty solid oh he likes tlj he thinks it's a fun that's what i'm saying is like the best if he is describing birds of prey as pretty solid it's like ooh that's a white the indictment which actually means not solid at all yeah i feel like that's him saying it's not very good but he can't say it because his team his team is supposed to be okay with birds of prey yeah i'm glad that i don't have to worry about that nope we don't certainly on e-fab we don't have any teams it seems like Warner Brothers and dc oh did you were gonna say something we get to like whatever we like which is so liberating oh yes yeah isn't it freedom it's great and these things aren't bad the show is good and the movie is pretty solid i think but it seems like Warner Brothers and dc have abandoned the ten year show is good that is he is he arguing that is he arguing that ip should have some consistency like they should like batman should be either g rated or r rated but having various properties at various different rating levels is the problem seems like he might be going down that road i mean wouldn't you argue that the last jedi destroyed you know destroying the character of luke is is needlessly edgifying or trying to adultify complicated character as opposed to just appealing to the child character from the originals didn't they have like charred remains of his aunt knuckle in the original movie i mean i felt like that as a kid i was like holy cow they're still on fire the whole notion of like you know in in the original star wars you know luke is good and the empire is bad it's a simpler you know mythos that tlj kind of destroys and turns upside down tlj destroys everything uh that's heady stuff having the the uh uncle and aunt emulated uh i feel like it would actually get them a higher rating if it was released today because that is quite the visual you just like holy well was that before pg-13 or was that after pg-13 good question it was the 70s right i don't know let me double check first pg-13 movie i remember seeing that as a kid and was like oh my god it was 84 so yeah this was seven years before the first pg-13 rated movie yeah well yeah episode three has some stuff in there that they probably had to they probably i could imagine episode three had to go through a couple of edits after the pit they it was first watched in terms of like you can't you've gone too far yeah i remember the original like uh order 66 was a lot more like dark and uh the sea like i wouldn't actually be against that i'd be like oh shit we want to do that all right but then again this is getting really complicated because if you had like a pg rated story and its sequel is r rated it is getting a bit like wait okay yeah all right this is weird now because continuity wise like you have to wait a few years before you can see the rest of this story like okay that's to me that's really unconventional it's not something i want to say you can't do you know you're like hmm all right i guess um but over the it's the only solid argument it's the only argument that may have some merit to it just for practical reasons like yeah do a Deadpool that's like pg-13 and then the next Deadpool is x rated it comes out like in a year but there are going to be a lot of kids that are like i'm very disappointed by this i think the arguments on shaky ground though because if we went let's say there's 15 movies in the series and the first one is pg and this the 12th one is r rated and in between is every sort of shade that extends between yeah it's like is that all right and it's like they come out yearly so it actually matches up with your average audience member's age or something i should be like hmm doesn't i don't know that he's making that argument no well i don't think he would be either i'm saying like what do you think about that what do we think about that i think it's really interesting to have a movie grow up with the audience member in terms of what it's willing to show and talk about i would argue that that's actually happening because i always feel like these people you know each generation they want their guy in there writing their movie like he's the one that knows all the inside jokes of that generation he's the one that has experienced all the things of that generation so i argue that artists do grow up with you know the generation around them that's a very Harry Potter did that yeah totally you might yeah Harry Potter um because one of the good examples someone's probably been challenged like a Buffy's season one of Buffy's very campy and silly and stuff by the time you hit season six it's like oh let's talk about grief suicide drug abuse and just like Jesus okay yeah Harry Potter oh yeah definitely no Buffy i was about to say yeah because i i i don't know i guess my mind blanked enough that we're still talking about Harry Potter and like Harry Potter day one Harry Potter is suicidal yeah remember Harry Potter takes crack Harry Potter Harry Potter with chamber of weed Harry Potter and the magic math oh yeah there you go i'm down for that really if you want to make that movie i would totally watch Harry Potter the half pound of cocaine Harry Potter there you go and the magical cocaine yeah the final movie Harry Potter and the machine elves the final movie starts to pause it like what did any of this actually happen but you're like oh my god oh my god Harry Potter wakes up under the staircase after a horrific lsd trip about him becoming a wizard now you're talking you do the zoom out of a mental institution as he bangs against the wall saying i'm a wizard well let's go really talk we have that movie it's pans labyrinth oh yeah oh it's true um all right anyway the character created for if you spend much time in nerd circles of the internet are a few like i have tweet about the idea of r-rated superhero movies you'll encounter an indisputable fact this is something a lot of fans want twitter and reddit and various forum i think that makes complete sense um it depends on what kind of argument they'll be making though if we're in a call right now and someone said i want r-rated superhero movies because i explicitly want to see flash i should be like okay i just that's weird that that's your goal um if you ask me i'd be like well i'm interested in stressing out the characters and situations that are really difficult and like morally dubious and seeing how they deal with it especially characters with power that go beyond like what we have in our everyday life i a superman having to deal with really hot because a lot of people like to try and argue that man of steel is that it's superman dealing with it in a realistic way it's like okay well stop it and you know the boys season one wanted to try and sort of say that it's like we're we're trying to do superheroes but in a real world and how they might behave and what could happen it's like i really like these ideas i want to see more of them i want to see them done well um it's not at all tied to i want to see tits and and and just blood splatters and drugs getting used all the time it's not really about that at all yeah in fact i would say that word season two because season two of the boys it comes across as very childish and immature with its depiction of those things oh it loves doing violence all the time it's it's kind of it almost i can't think of anything else that has ever made me be put off by that sort of thing because of just how i guess gratuitous is kind of a word for it well yeah she oh how gratuitous it is there's a part with kameko like peels off a man's face and you're like yeah why are we doing like well you know it's and i wouldn't even like if someone was like it happened in the comics i was like yeah i mean but why like i just oh don't ever look at anything by avatar press then oh no that's yeah that's horrible then no that garthenis really loves to get his uh darkness out with that stuff and the boys was tame compared to his other stuff and if anyone wants to be like wow season one had violence too it's like yeah i know but season two uh when they drive into the whale and they have its heart beating next to hewie as he sits on it with flash all over him it's like clearly they've cranked it up a bit yeah it's just we have to just like it feels like it's just violence and gore for its own sake yeah but best case scenario it's operating at both levels though like it's operating at the intellectual level and it's operating at the i mean you can't deny that there is an audience for people who just want to see like fantastical gore like how the whole horror genre is based on that so check this out right you got all superhero movie should be all rated so fuck that guy i don't know who said that that's stupid all superhero movie should be all rated it's like no no but look at this one x men doesn't need a new set of movies x men needs a i netflix netflix like series an r rated series written by people who actually care about the characters in the story not by soulless people who only care about something and filling seeds dollars um so like i might be this might not be the argument this person's making but i would be interested in knowing like yeah so what can we do with r rated x men it's like well first of all x men is about a group of people who are like considered different and worse than humans and there's lots that you can do with that that is very mature and they have powers to fight back and like magneto is a character and what he does it's like i could see that being much but like in isolation you'd be like well of course whatever movie he's going to be a part of is going to be probably going to be an adult rather than child like and it's like there's there's lots of potential with x men um in terms of making a very adult sort of storyline in terms of how things turn out because of course you remember x men the last stand it's like mutants versus humans to a degree but it's a tame there's a woman who is stabbed by a hedgehog man and it's there's no blood there's no anything she sort of falls over it's just like yeah there's lots of killing there's lots and there's lots of harsh things being said and understanding what it means to be in a a society and accepting people who they are and stuff and it's just like yeah there's lots you could do there i'm okay with that there's someone said yeah but x men is meant to be for kids also but i should be like you could still watch the kid friendly stuff it's still there i never went away the thing about the gore though is the gore lies on a spectrum where the story doesn't necessarily lie on a spectrum because there are certain people you know they're they're not going to be turned off if the story is intellectually interesting but there are people that are going to be turned off if there's too much gore so it really seems like it's a battle over the you know how much more is the right amount of gore without losing the entire audience i i'm i could go pretty far i mean i think i like the like ripping off of limbs and stuff just for the sake of it but i i don't know i'm well straight at department yeah i'm not trying to come across as like a prude who's like no i don't want it unless it's absolutely necessary it's like it really depends on on like a context all i want to do is not be seen as someone who's like that's why i like i'll rate stuff i love it yeah man rips a head off someone throws it with the wall that smashes into pieces like that's not like yeah i want to know there are things necessarily off limits yeah best case area though is if the story is totally tight like you're feeling the story and the gore is there at the same time and it's done tastefully and why it's done well let's put it that way i don't know if it's and of course i'm thinking about it and i'm like but then i wouldn't mind maybe an over the top superhero movie that does go nuts with the goal but it's in a tarantino kind of way i suppose only yes but like the tone reflects it and you know robocop did robocop broke all the rules doing that shit and this is the thing we've got so many options and i don't want our rated to suddenly be like you want to see heads explode it's like no it's like it maybe but like it's certain you know i mean as long as it goes with this story sure yeah um random heads exploding this so few as well um the the it makes me wonder why even this video seems like it might be relevant someday at some point but like now doesn't seem like the time we're not because um i was just thinking about how uh yeah they're saying evil dead in the chat evil dead too oh man come on this is the evil dead season one was great oh my god incredible and they always tried to outdo themselves every episode you're like there are totally times where we could totally do this stuff that's the thing and so he's collecting everyone who said they want our rated superhero stuff it's like all right in the context of comedy it really works because that you're allowed to go a little bit further when it's comedy because you know it's it's comedy of course love people begging studios for r-rated movies about superman or the x-men matt reeves's upcoming batman movie doesn't have a rating yet but a hell of a lot of people are hoping it gets an r so i would i just i'm just hoping it's good yeah same i presume people want the r rating so that it has no restriction and it can be whatever it wishes to be that that's yeah a sentiment we appeal to yeah um i know if something if something is supposed to happen in that universe it's allowed to be depicted to us yeah and we think that's pretty cool um and this is the thing if someone wanted to be like well in fairness batman is meant for an audience above i just like yeah like this is like a bazillion batman at this point i don't see why we can't have one that's all rated yeah there's no intrinsic rules baked into batman that it has to be this rating yeah brave in the bold it was great i loved that batman could teach me the alphabet fuck yeah so why is that looking at the various r-rated superhero media that exists they tend to get that rating for one specific reason it's not sex or nudity it's not really profanity it's definitely not drug use it's violence if a superhero movie is rated oh my god that was okay i mean he's right i think but like now i guess we wait for why this is a bad thing i suppose oh my god that was awesome that guarantees that it's because it contains more extreme violence than the genre usually has and this tends to be for one of two reasons okay reason one indulgence while in real life i flee from any instance of conflict and do not generally condone violence i can totally i think he said do not generally condone violence because of the riots he probably said oh yeah definitely riots are good with my side honestly i'm very pro riot when it's my side i think he would have said he doesn't condone violence if not for the riots have it happened he probably would have been like yep violence bad yeah all right violence sometimes except when we do it it's fine it's the language of the unheard is it's like punching nazis i'll well okay there we go what do you know just like fucking clockwork yeah i was gonna say dab patrick like clockwork i wasn't faring it that he just came out and said it because obviously the what do you think we're gonna say to this patrick's like and who's deciding who the nazi is patrick with the amount of times that i've been called nazi yeah i'm not too confident in your guy's ability to accurately point out nazis yep he did that in his matrix video too he dragged he drugged trump into the video i was like jesus the fuck wait have you covered are you guys covered patrick before what the fuck do you guys have a covered patrick williams that sounds amusing no we did you totally should grab it off we may have you know when you're when you're at 126 shows oh yeah we have have you ever i think it was an episode 100 rags that it was the first time that we i i started up a video and i was like oh shit there's people in channel like you've covered this before and i was like oh fuck i think it was yeah it was bound to happen yep we've never done that your time will come one day maybe you could that cinematic violence can be also it's not okay to punch nazis you can't just go around punching people for their political beliefs i don't know why this is hard to understand if you the logic ends up in the fucking dumpster you're like but we can punch the super bad satan people right you're like yeah that sounds okay on paper i guess and it's like but how do you define them like well now everything falls apart so actually no come on you guys have seen indiana jones you know how we roll it's very clear you can always spot them i have to rip their heart out before they rip my heart out oh yeah that's right rags i have no heart if they are wearing like a nazi armband yeah maybe we're having a conversation he says it's full nazi outfit and it's part of the german army in the 1940s exactly they still can't punch them and let your armband come out of the war you know i love the idea that patrick's walking down the street and some guy is just openly he's wearing the whole nazi gear and then patrick is like wait you're you're a nazi's like absolutely i believe fully in every single aspect of the nazi and he goes i'm gonna punch you just picture the black lives matter this is yellow turtleneck his the guy like i can picture the guy moving toward him that he just like you know keeps his head down versus neck into the tail neck and slowly walks away like yeah okay patrick slowly retreats into his turtleneck he goes all the way down and shrinks and then it's just clothes on the floor yeah head should probably go down there an actual turtle crawls out of the clothes pile is true ultimate form unless it's like punching nazis i'll be the first to admit that cinematic violence can be extremely satisfying i'm only human and i've cheered at my fair share of headshots i'm gonna say patrick you're not doing good for your argument at this point though if you just established this we're now we're in a little bit of trouble and impalements and disembowelings i'm not trying to start a whole exploration of the psychological catharsis of onscreen violence but i understand the impulse for more i remember when i was 14 oh okay all right look you don't like i don't know maybe i'm reading this a little bit harshly but i just like the idea is like look i understand i was 14 once you're like okay i was young and sure and i like the things that you like now yeah that's sort of ask people girls don't typically like violence so so you have to be a 14 year old boy to understand this argument and how exciting was it the rumors that the extended editions of the Lord of the Rings movies might be rated r for additional violence they weren't they remained pg-13 but at the time i was thrilled that peter jackson snuck in a few extra decapitations and then i got older and i realized how soon i mean and then i got older like and i bought a turtleneck i started reading i decided turtlenecks with jackets was the way to go yeah something happened absurd and pointless and r rated lord of the rings would be absurd and pointless okay it wouldn't be it wouldn't be absurd or pointless like this is an interesting one because if someone said like do you want to see a lord of the rings in r like r-rated i'd probably like i don't know i i don't i don't really not really i'm wary to see another lord of the rings regardless of yeah i think that's where my actually i think go for it sure but if i don't know if someone said like peter jackson wants to do a cut and he has all of everything filmed whereas an r rated sort of version and if all that was added was extra gore i'd be like i don't really care but if um i'm trying to think of how you would do it like maybe more is is is addressed more things that are a little harsher and going further into characters that are like like not necessarily as as obvious into just like really rough stuff maybe um about the different because there's plenty in orderings you could possibly explore there like obsession and addiction and like the giant vat of toxic waste that's what you need oh yeah yeah it would just be violence there's nothing else they could really put in from the lord of the rings that would make it oh yeah it would have to be something that they're bringing to the table because i doubt the books i don't want to see areas tits unless you put the hobbits in dancing around naked after i want to see friday's happening oh yeah some people like but yeah um not something this is the thing i would need to be sold on the potential i guess and that's kind of where i'm looking at with the superhero ones like the x-men one i feel like you can make a good case for why you could make an r rated one this worthwhile but if also what's got is well it's going to be like superman but there's going to be heads exploding stuff i was like i don't know all right you want to go on a little bit more than that and like he's like yeah i grow up yeah i feel like he's conflated to my sets right like um the the investment in sort of like the grindhouse type stuff doesn't make you a 14 year olds enjoying like uh over violence with with the right context versus someone just is just like lord rings would be better if there was more heads getting chopped off okay but go on that was always intended to be for all ages and then the extended edition of the third hobbit movie in r rating which is extra weird because the hobbit was always more of a children's story than lord of the rings but look we all know my god i didn't i didn't know there was so much violence well it was happening so fast you couldn't see it yeah so that they made some questionable choices with the hobbit trilogy i'm using that anecdote as a way of saying that i understand the desire for amplified violence in these stories but my question is what is it really adding superhero stories are in one way or another power fantasies the premise is that people gain spectacular impossible abilities and use those man it depends if i don't know like it it depends on how you see yourself in a relationship to the superhero uh i think it's in relation to the superhero i would say it's a power fantasy if you imagine yourself with them or if you think i'm much more invested in seeing what they do when i understand who they are and how much power they have that's sort of my connection to it rather than man i wish i was this because i'm not going to say that's not like i'm sure that is for a lot of people as well as perhaps myself with certain superhero movies i guess but like for example like you know civil wars like i'm much more interested in seeing who i understand to be cap and iron man trying to wrestle out what is happening in this world this one's like this power fantasy i'd be like not really like honestly not not really um it is when i mean like when you're a kid sure like you guys just said if you're a magic like i am gonna pretend i'm spider man for the next two hours and that's that's like a seven eight nine year old mindset it depends on when you watch it and how you watch it like a bunch of us wanted to see these superhero movies because we read the comics and then some people just went in cold without reading the comics and just a good story a good timeless story will be enjoyed for different reasons no matter what time you change throughout life uh he just said that so i i yeah i have no idea where he's going with this it's it's seems contradictory because you know patrick seems to be arguing that it's there needs to be more stuff aimed at children and as you said the comics aimed at children superhero stuff aimed at children could be more about power fantasy the kid wants to imagine himself as being superhero but all the adult superhero material that he sort of seems to not like or things are too much or that stuff could not be it that stuff's not at all power fantasy like no one's watching logan and thinking like oh i want to be old man logan slowly dying you know joker thinking like oh i want to you know be isolated from society yeah well and this is what i think he's doing so many he's doing so many of the situations are like the people are powerless batman you know his parents are killed uh same with spider man spider man is uh doesn't stop the yeah his uncle is killed uh x-men they're all uh under the thumb of the humans i mean it's all about being powerless um being able to fight back against a power i suppose with power you could you could argue sort of there but uh what i think he's he's doing a little bit of a sneaky here he's he said like they become our rated and it's like agreed what is the typical reason they get the r rating well gore and what is that even adding to these films almost as if we've now got the formula up in the air that they only are rated because of gore gore adds really nothing meaningful therefore they shouldn't be r rated i'd be like whoa we're missing a lot of um as we've kind of gone over it's not necessarily like like there's lots of the things that get added i'd say that the goal will be so like a circumstance like you know joker if you remove all of the overt violence it's still pretty mature that film in terms of like what it's dealing with i don't think kids are going to watch it and be like woohoo they're gonna be like whoa this is uh joker's a total another powerless character do you think he's gonna make an argument that since superhero movies are power fantasies and adult ones are more violence driven that this is creating a generation of of young adults who want to enact violence on people he's gonna lack all self-awareness whatsoever and say that i don't know that he's gonna go that it's the car it's the comic books that are causing all of this violence is going to make the in-sell argument but this is the thing i think that um a film being mature and aimed for adults is actually not in the same category as whether or not it's r rated in the sense that um you can have what's that like elie roth is a person who makes a lot of r rated stuff that is absolutely fucking juvenile um but then you have films that could be quite like not necessarily child friendly but rpg um hey rpg i just said that in a sentence without it meaning what it sounds like oh weird role playing gore um what right what age range was um 12 angry men for example because the original or the remake 12 12 angry men the 50s what age range um yeah well because are you saying that all ages i could be theoretical anyway so let's just say there was a film like 12 angry men and it was a pg or even what is it you is is like universal it can be watched by everyone or whatever but like a kid watching it would be like this is a shit like i'm bored a bunch of guys are going to talk about something and you'd be like yeah because it's more for an adult audience i would say but it's not r rated and so what i guess i'm getting at it's when people see that the next batman movie is going to be r rated they'll be like oh shit that is an indicator that there may very well be content for adults in it the lots of stuff for us to think about to chew on more so than it's typically president so basically by definition of a 3d r there's content for adults and well i'm trying i guess to separate out like because he's he's almost made it seem now that it's mainly gore that makes this happen and i'm just like yeah but it's that's not necessarily what we're in it for like right well it's like the king's speech is you know that it's only rated r because of the cursing but the studio didn't care because they knew kids weren't going to like it anyway yeah i don't think they'll feel like they've lost their market if they are rated right exactly so you're saying like with the batman movie if it's rated r it's not just a signal that oh it's going to be violence and gore it's a signal that maybe this will be a more darker you know grittier interpretation of batman that's not necessarily um because if we had two batmans you didn't know who wrote and directed it but one was pg and one was r rated which one do you think is going to have the light like likelihood not is just likelihood which one's gonna have more adult shit in it you'd be like the r rated one r rated one it's like well it turns out the r rated one is just this goofy childish set of gore it's just blood splashing all over the place and batman just be like with his machine gun just killing everyone meanwhile the pg one is something really contemplative but safe in terms of allowing kids to see and you're like oh so i was wrong but the r rating implied to me that it wouldn't and that's just how people look at it i think which is totally fair because it often will be the case like logan logan's r rated it's like oh shit we're gonna have like a and you watch the trailer and you're like oh my god this is going to be like really introspective because it's it that film looks back on like the the franchise as it as it stands the uh the one that hu jackman's a part of just like this is really really interesting i can't wait to see how he defines power fantasy i think birds of prey is the only superhero movie i know that's a power fantasy yep the premise is that people gain spectacular impossible abilities and use those abilities to do what we wish we could fly or save the world or fight save the world shows what the if you say so all right sure angiopascal okay it's corruption and evil and most often these stories are about characters using those abilities to solve problems with violence and again to be clear fictional violence is very often cool and fun the audience is usually meant to identify with the heroes so when the violence is amplified in our always a real violence can be cool and fun calm down what is what is like all of the violent stuff about if not like something that they want to do like boxing ufc yeah that's what i'm saying sure totally football is violence if you don't want to admit that the people doing it are finding it fun you can't deny the audience find it fun like course they do weird that he said that again to be clear fictional violence is very often cool and fun the audience is usually meant to identify it seems like a weird edit he put in after the fact you think maybe like i don't know why yeah maybe i'm trying to think of why he would think he needed to say that i don't know like he wants to clarify that he does he's okay with violence in in films i guess in case people thought he wasn't with the weird thing the default should be that you're okay with fictional violence yeah we're like i guess because you want to you want to knock out like gratuitous stuff and just like yeah we're suitable in context obviously everyone everyone thinks that i don't approve of literally everything ever cool and fun the audience is usually meant to identify with the heroes so when the violence is amplified in our rated films what is it accomplishing other than making these heroes appear more powerful and brutal why would that not be realistic consequences to the things that they do yeah and why would that have no like he makes that sound like it's worthless like isn't it really useful we talk about this all the time with villains being introduced showing how much power they have to let us know where the stakes lie yeah yeah and same with heroes if we want to believe like how strong is superman fucking punches someone and they'd like fling across the room you know punches a car right through he's just like oh i get it now i get it i'm very clear there's a thing and there's a thing in movies called stakes yeah it can achieve a lot it's very it's very simple we have to know what the stakes are yeah i never feel like the stakes endure the explorer high close case scenario she doesn't get to where she wanted to go that day so she tries again the next day it's high it's i don't have to worry about worry about her being kidnapped and raped and sold into slavery somewhere you know she's like on a waterfall edge she goes whoa we're all expected to be pulled back because she's consequences for dora it's a head on a rock her teeth explode out and blood's everywhere and she struggles to get up and then she drowns she can't quite swim properly at that point and you're just like wow we went into happy tree friends all of a sudden because that's which by the way anyone without context will be so confused by what i just said one of you guys know what i'm talking about right i know about happy tree friends yeah violence is like the stakes just manifest primarily manifest on yeah yes i mean it's it's a tool and by the way if we're gonna get really if we're gonna get really thingy here like like uh seeing someone punch someone is you only liking that because you just enjoy watching the violence or watching justice being served to someone who's a piece of show so i'm gonna be like is that bad yeah maybe i do just like seeing people get punched like yeah we can enjoy the fight so like yeah you need to convince me why that's not good enough to have it in there i guess in theatrical oh wait sorry i was gonna say no i was gonna say in the daredevil series i think one of the the violence is important to the story it shows you again the stakes the realism and this guy with no power well with the only powers he can see in 360 he's blind and he's taking on this like extremely dangerous world guys are getting their heads cut off with car doors he's fighting like nine guys in a hallway and he's coming through and it adds to it it adds to the realism the verisimilitude so it's a very important and yeah what you said earlier it's ridiculous to have wolverine killing a bunch of people there's not a drop of blood anywhere and you ask your you know and the same thing happens in the comics too to be honest with you you know it gets ridiculous that's kind of the thing i guess like it it that's what i mean with like when you watch logan you don't go oh my god they've taken my child thing and they've made an adult thing instead it's like oh shit it is what it is now whoa yep right it was something different that i mean in that case that they took x-men somewhere we never thought they would tell us like the darkest ending possible saddest it's a it's a dark ass movie but it's great that i've only seen once because it's so dark but and i guess this bringing us around to a point of just like yeah i mean superheroes they have way more power than the average person and they typically fight crime violence that's gonna come up it's gonna come up once in a while it would seem silly if it didn't come up and then you'd be like well now we talk about should the violence be pow and then they fall over or should it be and then blood splatter you're like oof and it's like yeah well that's the conversation i guess and it's about contact well pretty soon uh you know marvel's gonna start adapting their modern comics and we'll have she-hulks sitting around a table watching youtube videos and eating food oh man oh my god oh i eat food that's relatable yeah food's relatable right well cut man v superman batman flings a wooden crate at a random goon and we go wow batman really hurt that guy but the r-rated director's cut adds a smear of blood where the goon's head hits the wall and we go wow i think batman killed that guy i always thought he was dead regardless yeah i don't know yeah you toss a crate into that man's face and it rams him into a brick wall he's dead he can recover from that's gonna be tough he fucking died um i suppose i would have made the great g&g and the load is that him almost advocating that the blood was a plus there then because it tells us the truth of the situation or is it that he's saying is the only reason you put it there to tell us he was dead that's that's lame definitely raises the stakes doesn't it the blood raises it well that's the thing right it's confirmation i guess in a way of yeah in isolation trying to say when you have a person punched and they go oof and then they punch back and that person goes ow and then they carry on versus one punch and it like hits like the watermelon and it's they slow it down a little bit and then like blood comes you remember um the end of spider man one the rainy one like you definitely get a sense of like oh shit this battle is a little bit more um this is a little more serious yeah now i'm feeling like i'm actually very concerned for spider man's life because of how they're portraying the fight this is no common thug and so i'd be interested to know if you would think that it was unsuitable there or what did it achieve by having it more violent um yeah this guy does story essays i don't know why he's not bringing up the stakes seems important well we're only halfway through maybe you will oh god you can't apply that that was the first thing he did to the guy first and last thing a crate to the face can really fuck you up i guess yeah when he should fight batman what the fuck it's making the inherent power fantasy more sadistic what sadistic no let's just no somebody was shooting a man okay somebody was shooting a bunch of guys were shooting at him yeah you know um it makes it more realistic i was gonna say he's just like wait on the flip side you're just looking for a world where you get to hide away from real consequence of what things do to you like i don't want to know i don't want to know that someone died is deriving pleasure from inflicting pain suffering or humiliation on others so no because it's a movie there is no actual pain or suffering or humiliation happening well i suppose his argument would be what's the word when you say like you enjoy it from like a as though someone's you enjoy it that someone else is performing it and you get it um there's a word for this i've completely forgotten what it is vicariousness vicariously yeah i think that's what i was going to reaction no sorry wrong word um like i vicariously enjoy watching someone torture someone else even in fiction because i can believe that that's what i could be doing right now all right oh so but it's like no fuck off if if i would again we brought the spear example with black panther i was in the cinema i saw that happen i was like that's strange it's not that i want her to bleed from the deck it's that i was just like wait what are you telling me just happened like did she is she okay so yeah how did she die yeah what's wrong with her and so if you show batman crushing a guy's fucking skull with something and it's like yeah he fell over he's okay i should be like okay fine i guess and someone's like oh i added blood don't you feel sadistic about it's like no what if we know what if they set up that that guy is a huge transphobe he deserves it he's a nazi it wasn't sadistic enough right matters here simply what happens on screen it's how it's portrayed right the thing about cinema is that the visual language being used tells us how we're supposed to feel about oh really comes to portrayals of violence look at yeah i'm getting such an education in a scene in a film school it shifts between these dispassionate static wide shots yeah every everyone watches clockwork orange has a power fantasy i just want to kill and rape i guess that's his point is that it's portrayed as much more clear in terms of what is happening is bad and he's obviously going to cycle back to bvs and be like the violence here is awesome and that's wrong because this is sadistic or something like that we're all here empathizing with alex you know you are you know you wish you were alex sadistic fuckers and chat we know this is so poison is real droog posting hours my dude well it's just i think he's he's counted himself he's trying to say like um magic no so cinema as a format it will tell you like so you know like if i punch um a little kid to death and in the background the music is is triumphant you you'd all be like what the fuck like yeah um the child has been vanquished meanwhile if if we win the day and sad music plays and i look really sad we're all like oh is there something going on we didn't catch what's what's wrong like why you know because it's that's just how it works and he's i guess he's trying to say that when batman threw that crate of that guy in the blood splat on the wall that the film is happy for you to enjoy that sadistically you're like oh because it's only two it's a means to an end well this is one good thing is happening as a result this is where my point's going he's he's almost implied even though he set this up with film language is complicated and can tell you many things he's basically said like either you can damn it or you promote it it's like no there's loads of things you can do with violence i'm sorry but he just said you can punch a nazi yeah yeah he even he shows a clip earlier of watchmen and part of the the violence and watchmen i always thought was interpreted is a bad thing like when documental people up you're not supposed to be like oh yeah it's kind of like us yeah yeah it was weird he chose that as the example of being excessive when it's like well isn't the point of that seem that like what do we think about dr manhattan ending any war that we're looking to win like who that's a really weird how violence you need the context to understand if it's good or bad isn't it isn't that odd that's human like you won't catch me doing much defense of bvs but i'll defend that batman scene is not it's not sadistic he's fucking fighting for his life totally yeah so fuck thank you so what this is itself defense here in clockwork orange though that's why juxtaposing these two scenes is is mental yeah it's very strange alex is clearly the bad guy yeah everyone is never not portrayed as the bad guy that's his but he's saying the film makes that clear but bvs isn't there's like this is even remotely fair for so many reasons like it's not fair yes just happening and then the perspective of the victims with the camera on the floor looking up at the attackers the violence is disturbing and cruel and unpleasant yeah but it doesn't always have to be even when it's yes he's yes he's a villain and yeah it's it's almost like you can't compare these because batman is doing it to save a woman's life and people are trying to shoot him to death clearly very bad people this is stupid and then this fight scene from the first episode of the show titans okay i guess we're not gonna i thought he was making it more about bvs but you know what i put words in his mouth all right we're talking about titans in pretty much every shot robin is the focus we're experiencing this from his perspective the camera moves with robin amplifying his movements making him look more powerful it zooms in on his attacks like this guy's face being dragged across broken glass when he's beating the guy in the ground we focus on robin's face and how he's feeling the whole scene is lit with glossy moody lighting everything looks shiny it's cool it's sexy shiny it's cool and shiny that's not true though okay you can't show me a picture of not everything looking shiny then tell me everything shiny um there's a lot of things to say about this first of all haven't seen it second of all i know that most people think it's shit third of all it's very well could be considered gratuitous for whatever reason but we really need to remember that like having consequential damage being dealt to people shouldn't always be associated with sadism that's just stupid yeah that means that stuff that we see has like impact it's going to come back later if someone breaks their leg or jumps off a building or something like that it's going to have an impact on what happens next that's just basic cause and effect and so yeah like i'm not defending titans i just mean that like i guess he's saying in this instant instance titans is taking pleasure in dealing pain to people irrelevant of whether or not these people are attacking robin with lethal force this is the thing i'd have to see the scene is this and titans it doesn't even seem like it's a sadism it seems like they're trying they're trying really hard and you could say it's over the top but to be like oh this isn't your this isn't your father's robin this is a new robin yeah this is cool robin for the yeah just trying to feel like a different crowd the sadism line seems to be if it's just violence for violence sake but there's so many all of the superhero movies it's like it's justice it's like retribution it's like it's not violence for violence sake at all yeah and the understanding of fake versus real suffering is a huge distinction because if you watch suffering in a fictional context like in a movie and you know it's cool and awesome and fun you wouldn't be okay with that if that was a real person suffering well you have a vast majority of people wouldn't that's why people who would be okay with that are like they're the sadists yeah the bbs the bbs scene for example if we were told that was security footage i my reaction is very different i should be like jesus christ like what what is happening here this man like wow this is all okay oof that guy's dead i don't think i don't think when like a kid is playing mortal combat and they do the like the x-ray fatality that they're like oh yeah that's happening in real life i'd be so excited this is what i mean i don't think you should toss around to say it is a so casually patrick that's all yeah exactly yeah and and it well obviously baban versus superman and titans are completely two different things on two different networks and if he centered his entire argument around while this over-the-top edgelord tryhard garbage titan show is on a thing called dc universe a streaming service that was meant for kids that sure i mean i you know it was especially the uh i mean fuck batman whatever but robin stabbing a guy in the dick with the with the scissors what it was just it was it was it was uh it was it wasn't sadist it was just fucking bad it was just poorly executed i understand their creative choices and what they were trying to do is just the writer for that show really sucked so i mean to make it overall argument about and try to conflate batman versus superman and titans which i guess they were trying to be like that but it just didn't work i would say there's another thing to take into account it could just be incompetence you don't have to assign it like the person maybe was like i love making people bleed you're like okay yeah well and there's an irony here too because like with titans usually when something's too edgy or too ridiculous it's becomes childish it's not seen as a dull yeah it's like yeah the thing's being grounded is uh it helps with investment a lot right absolutely our rated material being used to say anything or is it just there to indulge our desire to see more hardcore versions of these characters he says is it being used to say anything um it could be as simple as the punches delivered by people will actually be punches like in real life okay audience like okay that's already saying something sure i still say it's there to raise the stakes that's kind of what i just advocate for because yeah when our hero gets punched that that shit is that has an impact but yeah it's an annoying if you have just an average move to two normal dudes fighting each other one of them punches the other hundred and just like nothing's happening to either of them you can just be like oh we this is like a chill movie there's not really any like worry for anybody and yeah okay but if one punch knocks a guy to the ground and he starts bleeding out of his nose you're like oh shit yeah okay like i fall yeah stakes yeah there's reason number two for our rated violence oh here it is raise the stakes in the comic what deconstruction oh my god is he saying deconstruction like this is now my deconstruction or it is for deconstruction it's gonna say that violence like in logan is deconstructive and therefore good because it's deconstructing the character but violence that's gratuitous is bad yeah like violence designed to make you aware of what you've been consuming and what it means and stuff um almost like critical commentary on the genre or something like that i'm assuming like you look at these superheroes look at look at them committing to what they can do you should be upset you should be thinking more about what you're enjoying that sort of thing watch man alan more and dave gibbons very deliberately chose not to portray any of the action or violence as cool there are no badass poses or big action splash paid shots of a hero punching a bad guy any instance of violence is shown blunt yeah i mean that seems like entirely different goals right yeah yeah yeah exactly unspectacularly in panels that are the same size and shape as any other because the superheroes of this story are not meant to be idolized or glamorized in any way there is nothing indulgent about it okay we're getting into places so when you so when he started this video doing rorschach's voice was that not idolization i'm assuming he hates rorschach he probably hates rorschach like and that was just sort of him making fun of something so there are i think the thing that i think the thing that we like the thing that uh entertains us is violence plus justice like if the violence is unjust then we we shrink from it we don't like yeah we like it when the night slays the dragon yeah we want to yeah exactly up the bad guys we like violence that is like used as an like it it's channeled into virtuous and good yeah it's so nice so taking that that's that's that super high feeling of like ultimate justice and ultimate violence and just stylizing it in a way to make it that much more ooh so tantalizing then i mean that's that's that's what the movies are designed to do and but he's completely ignoring that moral component here which is essential yeah we want it proportional as well if i should essentially be picked in with just totally yes jaywalking you know ecapitation and jaywalking doesn't necessarily go together no but um a guy is like i'm going to melt every child in the city that you fucking rip his head off you're like well like yeah exactly exactly this is one of the more things zack snider got wrong in his film adaptation as slavishly faithful as the whole thing is with each shot perfectly recreating each of the comics panels snider portrays violence in the exact opposite way that moran gibbons did well that's that's the only way zack snider knows how to portray violence so i you can't really blame him for that so i guess it's gotta look good right we're suggesting that the watchman comic was um trying to bring light to like how rough a lot of this is while the film was having fun with violence i still don't i don't like i need to see the film again but surely this is uh significantly dependent on the viewer as well someone could watch the same scene and come away like man that was rough or rather than that was awesome if zack snider hadn't made any other movies but watchman i would say oh no he's using the violence to show what's wrong but i guess if you're judging it based off his other work afterwards you can say well maybe he's 300 was before watchman right i think so yeah and like 300 is absolutely a movie that's like let's fuck shit up 300 is amazing i love it but there is a point that 300 does have like the violence plus justice model and watchman doesn't necessarily like this first scene and watchman is completely devoid of moral content because you don't you don't know the situation yep yeah i i don't think it's glorifying i i mean it is pretty to look at i don't mind that but you can argue that in the comic they use the four color palette they didn't try to tone it down just because they didn't use big splash pages and stuff that i don't well they did occasionally like the i know the the scene where ozzie's like hitting that guy in the face with the pole before like a big splash page yeah it's not all nine panels i got this the best violence though in watchman is i mean for me personally is the scene with rorschach in prison because a guy totally has it coming and he fucking lights him up like it's so perfect what he puts the i don't even is it just like grease or whatever he pours on yeah he like pours the fryer on him oh my god it's badass slow motion shots with the heroes striking classic comic proposes the violence is sexy this is what i don't get about people like patrick williams they talk all the time about how subjective everything is and then they suddenly like this is glorifying well that's my point yes it's like well wait a second what if someone just comes away from this like geez i don't think that's glorifying i hate you yeah that's what i mean and a lot of people can be like oh man and then they start to question like is this even like oh i don't know and and he's like no it's glorifying like okay sexy violence right that's what he's been saying it's just like oh because of slobo shots can't you use slobo to enhance the pain of a situation yes yeah let's slow down that clockwork orange theme it's reconstruct also whether or not it's cool as well i feel like this is complicated now as a feature it's like if it's cool it can't be something that tells you like it's it's rough or something like i don't know about that couldn't they work together in the sense that you're like oh man look how it's being portrayed in a sense of like it's kind of um badass but at the same time i don't know that i agree with how much violence is being used and so i'm like conflicted about this is what i mean there's so much going on in a person's brain when they see this stuff but he's like no he did it wrong you're like oh okay yeah he so matter of fact too yeah that's what i'm saying i'm not even saying i necessarily disagree because i need to watch the film again then i need to go through the comments see how it's all uh adapted and and maybe make different arguments to him but it's just interesting to me that he's so definitive about it talking the myth as quickly as the story attempts to deconstruct it if the comic is saying superheroes are actually damaged fucked up people and fighting crime is a pathetic way to feel a sense of power the movie is saying yeah but also it's awesome this is the same contradiction snider continually falls into i mean i almost have to take his word because i just i need my references are refreshed for watch but unfortunately but like okay batman v superman wants us to question the purpose of superheroes and whether or not they should exist in the world but it also really loves it when batman stabs people and blows them up in slow motion this is what makes the amazon tv series the boys so effective it uses similar aesthetics and visual language as sniders films but tells the story from the perspective of regular humans okay see now he's just he's just picking and choosing at this point the boys has plenty of violence being done by the bad guys that still cool and flashes violence absolutely yeah this is yeah homelander going on laser vision terrorists and things like that you know i don't know but this just feels like you're just gonna choose whatever you think best matches what you're talking about like he showed that scene homelander throws the guy remember he melts his gun into his own hand like homelander has the power to take these people out without having to torture them so like i don't know the just i don't know this this feels really cherry-picky to me he's just choosing whatever he wants to support whatever he wants perspective the superheroes using their powers to kill and maim isn't cool it's terrifying yeah sometimes yeah yeah the times that it's not terrifying and it's fucking awesome though you know when you see batman brand people in bvs and then the people left behind a chained up and like whimpering i don't even zack snider i don't think he's saying it's it's super awesome i think he's being like what do you think do you think batman's going too far with this especially when you find out that they're getting killed in prison because of the brands i'd be like again i'm not like zack sniders fucking person but like why are you saying that he's trying to say that that's just cool it's like clearly not the conflict in the movie superman calling him out superman's like you fucked up when you did all that batman i'm gonna beat you up for it like that's that's it's like now the visual language is trying to say it's cool it's like you're saying that that's the case i don't know do you remember the guy in bvs who's like please don't put me in the um in that group people because they'll kill me and the guy walks up to him just stab stab stab stab stab his belly it's like yeah that's so awesome it's not at all portrayed in a sense of just like wow that guy is now dead that yeah he just got fucking wrecked totally glorified only glory that's what i mean he's just been really unfair the trope for man's glowing red eyes is no longer shorthand for badass rage it's now a symbol of sociopathic violence as we see it rip through innocent civilians oh my god it bugs me so much what's the point he said but the point season two is so bad with how it does this it's just annoying or melt people's skulls but really the ultimate example of the r-rated superhero deconstruction is the one that everything else has been ripping off for the past 35 years alan moore's miracle man which was originally called marvel man until marvel comics got lawyers involved it's a reboot of a comic from the 1950s that's really just a ripoff of shizam about a kid who turns into a superhero when he says i'm assuming he's just gonna this this particular thing is going to present an idea the idea that everyone's been ripping it off for a second not going to be true but i'm assuming he's hyperbolic took words i would i would i would argue that the style because you seem to be making a argument that the style the stylistic element of the whatever it is the violence it like has some sort of influence over how you feel but i i i think that's completely wrong i think that all the style does is crank up whatever moral component there is to the scene like if it's uh the boys and obviously he's being bad or doing bad things the style component raises up that feeling of oh my god this is so terrible and if it's someone good you know batman good destroying someone who deserves it it cranks up that oh my god this is so good but i don't think the style is even a style is like the volume but the moral component is you know the feeling he mentioned slow mo as being a component of like glorifying it it's slow mo and gringoblin punches spiderman at the end of the climax when he's i completely disagree i completely disagree i think all the slow mo does is crank up whatever moral component is going the um that final fight we're all very aware that spiderman's life is at risk and they're doing slow mo hits so patrick would have to concede that the slow mo is being used there to actually show us how horrifying the violence is horrifying exactly yes and so this is the thing you feel like you can use all of these things to do the opposite of what he's saying it's just like you know your argument's not that it's leaking it's leaking everywhere i wish i wish we could ask him yeah i mean like not talking about what led up to the violence the i mean i hate to say the obvious here but the actual story uh the payoff like maybe that has something to do with it too you know it's not just we're not just there to see i'm waiting for batman to fight i don't care what the words he's saying out of his mouth or what everybody else is saying i'm just here for the you know like 66 batman for the pow died yeah it's it's i don't yeah sounds like he was light on material needed to come up with something i will i mean i think it's clear this was a rushed video yeah which is weird because it's one of his longest ones but like you just seems upset this is a lot of there's not a lot talking about what i thought there would be talked about you know consider my expectations subverted the story takes decades later when the kid has grown up and longs for the fun and adventure these stories used to have he's a stand-in for the adult comic book reader who loved superhero comics as a kid and never moved past them so in the story when michael maran remembers his magic word and can fly again it starts off as a glorious thrill until the real world seeps in until the gross cynical truth behind those innocent early adventures is revealed and miracle man encounters his former sidekick who is godlike powers have turned him into a monstrous psychopath the series culminates in a massive superhero battle that is not fun at all it's a genocidal nightmare it's like morris saying okay you want superheroes for adults well it's not gonna be cool or indulgent it's going to be awful Jesus fucking christ there's more than one way you can do this like look at that image okay i don't think appealing to sadist is like the widest audience you can grab it seems well i'm guessing the point you're supposed to be like look at this horrifying like this is how this is what can happen when people with so much power left in a realistic adult world you know like okay chill this seems silly it's going to is a bit far for me like there's literally a woman walking there with both of her arms taken off and no eyes like okay yeah it is a little horrifying disturbing end the story points to a new way forward it moves beyond the classic superhero tropes and conflicts as miracle man remakes the entire world abolishing all weapons and money what the fuck if only there were no weapons or money how do you even do that what do you use magic i'm guessing i don't know has he gone to like the outdoors where there are no weapons and money abolishing weapons and money will get rid of all the killers cure racism everybody will live together they won't fashion new weapons or find new ways to trade find new barter probably old porn that's what i'm thinking i agree with it and uh yeah i think uh that's a great answer it's funny the first there's no political slant from alan more who by the way is an adult fucking wizard i yeah the first half of that was like interesting to me when he was explaining it like oh you know a hero grows up but he finds out a lot of when he was younger as a hero there was also cynical shit behind it and then you know a friend of his from when he was younger is older and powerful now and is doing things he doesn't approve i was like this this could be a cool story that it's like we abolish weapons and money i know yeah it's listen i like this what it came out okay there's there's things when you read them in at their time they're fine uh they're they're played out now you know mark wade used to be able to to write and uh he did basically a ripoff of this irredeemable uh and tried to jack it up even worse and they were trying to out edge lord each other in the mid two thousands and i just shared with you guys don't have to share i'm like avatar press which is just which just a gorefest it's by it's violence porn that's all it is yeah that there's that aspect but what what moller just said there's another way you can portray it too and yeah cherry picking this one uh everybody's copying watchmen there's a bunch of people didn't even know miracle man existed so yeah i guess that's the point he's making use like there was the watchman before the watchman you know and it's like all right the idea of taking stuff that we often associate with like an altruistic happy sort of thing and turning it on its head it's like i think it's going to predate even miracle man all right it's an age old idea it's superhero stories for adults can be full of challenging new ideas not just amped up a gritty violent versions of what we've seen before yeah but that's like the shallow version like oh let's take spider man and make him rip his head off this is like okay i don't care if spider man's ripping people's heads off or not that sounds lame and it's like what do you want to do is actually like there's so much that comes with trying to convert something from child friendly to teenage friendly to adult friendly and to reduce it down to the woman without her eyes and arms or something okay but i mean that seems to be the main contention here it's like what is what is the point of our rated right really depends on who's making it what they want to do oh check out this one gritty's wearing a suit he's classy but he still knows how what am i gonna notice about this channel is that it tries really hard to be pretentious but it's extremely shallow in surface level yeah oh man like there's really it's really so is this what you do for every video no it kind of varies sometimes i just sit there and listen sometimes i operate the camera i was in the band for the talk show oh yeah i did that too it's weird that patrick doesn't seem to remember i think he just took it hard when you didn't come back there were a lot of disappointments around that time the good thing about this is that it gives us a lot of time cut out of the video that we don't have to watch you know yeah that's true um it's it makes me think about how awkward it must be to make a video like here's the script you guys are gonna talk about me this zoom call anyway okay uh-huh so this is self-insert done incorrectly that's what he's saying what's our job title anyway you know i uh never actually asked maybe i should oh my god look at this it's gritty dressed as rocky hell yeah that's what i'm talking about this notebook smells good i kind of like it now i have no idea what's going on yeah does anyone know what's happening can enlighten me somebody tell me what's happening in this these are the skippable parts of the video you put them in there as buffers so we can all come back down and then we go back up something about a wet script something about a super wet script and this guy that's been popping up fight club style but i don't in fight club we find out why the scenes were spliced in are we gonna find out in this i'm skeptical chat are having plenty of fun they all seem very happy about this it almost seems like they want us to to play it again or something sorry guys yeah only once we can't uh we can't let the lunatics run the asylum why why let them play it again go ahead there's a quote from we just wrote the great all ages comic thwer the mighty avenger that i think about a lot he said you don't think i really don't think marvel and dc are helping things by having gritty r-rated versions of their superheroes in their main comics how prevalent is this like i guess gary's r-rated versions of superheroes well in main comics because i don't i wouldn't know i didn't know i mean the the roger perspective is that what you're saying people are complaining about yeah i don't think it's no it's well i don't know i'm asking is it is it is it really common now is it like a lot of comics are just r-rated now it's not r-rated it's not the real you know well okay i mean i'm not selling newer comics now but no i mean they're they're well they're they're not violent they everybody's talking about well who they're gonna screw and everybody's turning gay right now so yay that that's a video that needs to be made you know uh maybe we'll start adapting phoenix you know turning iceman gay oh there you go we can have what's the point of gay superheroes exactly um you know it's the gritty the gritty thing was played out but like i said before that's what comic books do and uh they missed the opportunity of kind of returning back to heroism because of intersectional feminism and going woke and just turning into trash and hiring shitty comic book writers who aren't even who have probably never even seen a comic book until they got hired at marvel because they were hired for their politics it has much bigger problems and roger langridge i i don't that's not the problem comics have right now or yeah the r-rated gritty thing he's conflating it with with films and it's not even a problem in the film i was about to say if you saw about films i would have to completely disagree it's like this hardly any what do you mean like r-rated superhero movies how many r-rated superhero movies have we had i mean superhero movies not adaptions what birds pray oh joker a pool logan watchman well too low game and then it's like far that's a glut it's anyone thought oh well that's still a significant amount of like let's name the ones that aren't r-rated we'll be here for a while air devil hellboy constant team the punisher all right like the constant r-rated superhero movies oh i didn't know that the crow blade trinity oh birdman the fendor everything in the mcu basically judge dredd oh where devil yeah i assumed dredd was r-rated a constant team was pretty badass i don't know if constant team could be is that superhero really i don't know absolutely be rated r they should not make a pg 13 oh dude constant team is like perfect for r-rated with the fucking demons and like suicide shit yeah she killed herself oh no be for vendetta there you go the movie was all right yeah super hard wire with panel anderson is r-rated what about um what was that i see what was the superhero movie was the one with pabla radisson is what was his superhero name was here here here's your example kick ass two press to please rest kick ass two is r-rated but kick kick ass one i think is probably pg 13 because it's not on the list so there's your example of the person seeing i saw kick ass and now i have to wait i have to wait for kick ass two damn it again i'm still not even like convinced that that's such a bad thing i don't know how i'd feel if i really enjoyed like a pg movie and then the next year they released a sequel that was r-rated so i had to wait until i was older i don't know how i'd feel i guess i'd be annoyed but like i'd watch it oh well these kids are watching for me but jeez it's not like well that's the thing you never know i'm gonna not be able to see the r-rated movie right ratings of guidelines right you never know what a kid is going to not be able to handle you never know and the age of unlimited free porn yeah yeah well i i mean i was sneaking in the movies when i was like 10 so i mean to this day there's still stuff and i didn't care i didn't care about the rating so much well um we no like we've gone over it before but like uh any of you guys seem bone tomahawk this is an example i use quite a bit there's no there's a scene in it that is gore related but it's not excessive like elie roth it's done in such a way that it was like the first time in so long that i've seen gore in the movie that maybe go like oh what like it's like jeez it's like the sound sound effects and the the way they did it um and so what i was saying is i see silenced the labs when i'm like eight and it doesn't bother me at all and i see this movie when i'm absolutely old enough to see it and i have a worse reaction so it's just like yeah it's complicated we don't really quite know what what yeah totally all right i saw alien uh well i'm going to show my age now i saw alien and a 20 minute version when back in the 70s if we wanted to see a movie outside the theater they they used to make these 16 millimeter or eight millimeter films that are that are shorter edited down versions like star wars and alien so i saw the alien come out of a stomach when i was eight freaked my shit yeah but i love but i know i loved it i was like yeah i had it's fascinating as i get to watch stuff like that yeah the face hugger scene was like crazy just a guy like why do you stick his face in there what a dumbass yep and we've talked about it before but like there are movies that are like not at all rated high like the pg and then there's some of the stuff in them you remember forever because you're like that was terrifying and it's like yeah the rating system didn't think so you know that's how it goes mm-hmm yeah anyway uh anyway gritty are rated versions of their superheroes in their main comics what they sell as the real versions while simultaneously selling those exact same characters in kids comics and plastering them all over lunch boxes and animated cartoons so so he is making the argument that the ip should be consistent that's basically the argument he's making and then his rating that's weird it is yeah i look at this thing make less much i'm not sure like how to properly make the consistent argument here of just like but is it that bad though if like there are versions that are just you know that you're like oh this is i like this character he's across all these different mediums i've seen batman's parents get killed seven times so i know that it's not all one continuity and there's this one that only my parents can see and i can't see it yet 14 parents and is that so bad and i'm just like i don't think so um and i think really honestly if this was prior to 2017 i might have trouble generating real-world examples but i really feel like logan kind of just proves this is true just like it's done the fact that you took something that was so kid friendly in the um the x-men movies even though they're like it's more so for teens i guess those movies but i mean fuck it kids love them um logan is definitely not for kids that movie is is not something you'd want your uh your 10 year old to be watching you'd be like nah that's probably a bit much um but it worked and if someone was like yeah but logan uh you know you know i was i was about to say look what is logan's full name is just logan and then huge uh uh wolverine is his like code name i forget um logan jackman logan jackman yeah um if someone was like you can't make him r rated he's children expect to be able to watch stuff that relates to him i should be like yeah but then we don't get logan so i don't know that i think this is a good standard i guess you can't make that standard that standard's ridiculous and i think it does fit in the face of the whole idea that your audience grows with the content too that you can't yeah that too that too exactly very complicated um i understand like i guess but again it comes back to what we were just talking about like there's some kids out there who maybe they saw x-men you know 2000 and the rest of them a year before and they were the right age for a year before logan came out that they saw logan they were like oh my god logan's fucking amazing like even if they were like 11 this is how complicated it gets because obviously the the assumption here is that children of that age can't can't be watching stuff like logan not only because of the age rating like legally but also it'll fuck them up they can't see that but it's like well and by the time they're old enough to watch stuff like logan they already have like a brain that can compartmentalize different like iterations of the same superhero like in like a basic adult like the the low low low bar of being an adult being able to do that just distinguish between different fictions does does logan definitively take place in the x-men universe or is it an alternate reality that you're looking at i mean we don't know it definitely references it but it you could definitely consider it like a an else world what if thing if you wanted to yeah and i think that's a great idea i think that's a brilliant idea that's the one thing dc that's why warner brothers is stupid they should be killing marvel and film right now because they can tell stories marvel can't because they're stuck in a continuity and they can make fun they can have you know tim burton's batman come back you know michael keaton and oh yeah brand new one right now you know they tell me maguire should be in a spider-man four with sam ramy it would make all the money in the world but then oh my god you know in spider-man three which i guess isn't going to happen now spider-man should be r-rated everyone's heads need to explore us yeah one time one time i lost a tna the brand i mean we're way past brand confusion we're way beyond that and and i think uh there's been a lot of comic creators to go i think they're just trying to rationalize why their industry is falling apart and they just don't ever want to recognize what the real problem is you know guys going out and attacking fans on twitter and they've just alienated customers for the last five years and people are fucking sick of it and their story sucks they really do have horrific talent the art is bad uh i mean give me violence over you know i wasn't joking when you know she hulk sitting around a table eating food talking about a youtuber that that was an actual storyline justifiable violence so gary because they mix it up in like uh captain marvel like oh god it's ambiguous like when she's stealing some dude's fucking motorcycle and what did that guy do wrong well y'all did a smile y'all's for a smile that makes it well that's that is like the that's the decapitation over jaywalking that's exactly what that is he's probably a nazi though he probably you know and it's okay to punch them you couldn't tell by his skin color of course he was a nazi jesus if you got punched no see this these Thanos with the infinity gauntlet right just bounced right back from that but of course in wand division we found out that uh you know captain marvel could have just taken out Thanos by herself with the infinity gauntlet oh totally you know what they should have had a throw a line like i would argue that Thanos she gave him a chance i would argue that thing where no you first you first i'll be quick i swear it's like they say oh you know what she could have taken him out she just didn't want you know it'd be too easy you know it's like we're gonna we're gonna get Thanos a shot otherwise it's boring you know captain we all could be here right we wouldn't want him to waste their trip so i just want to make a comment about moral ambiguity because the moral ambiguity in captain marvel doesn't work at all but i would argue that the the moral ambiguity in the Thanos character is great and adds like a whole another dimension to it but they're dealing with like real ideas there in captain marvel they're dealing with like intersectional feminism like you know isn't it terrible for me to be walking down the street and get cat called out like that's that's their moral lens capability there and to bolster you on that movie because some people don't quite share this point or don't really see it this way but like i think it's important you have um their life cycle in that movie is he's a hardcore member of the kree he goes down to the planet she slowly learns that the kree are full of shit and she's been taught something bullshit her whole life and then the kree attack are attacking earth and she's got three major ships i think and she blows up one of them she flies through it and just explodes the whole thing killing every single person inside and then she says ronan leave or i'll you know fuck you up too it's just like whoa she just killed like could it be thousands of people who were just like her a day ago yeah wow because the thing is they've been lying we don't know how many of these people like and you might be like well they were attacking earth though and it's like it's not really about whether or not you should have killed them that's a different conversation is that there's no acknowledgement even attempts at anything else but the film's unaware of this the film is just like those bad guys like but that was her yesterday like what do you mean this is the lens on morality is they lie to her so they all deserve to die well i mean that's probably that's what i get that's the message i get that's what i'm trying to bring up is the many were lied to in the kree culture because there's no fucking way that every single person in the kree culture was in on the the meme except her like everybody is aware that how they're totally evil they just pretend to be good it's like no i'm pretty sure a lot of people are being sold along the same lie she was do you remember go ahead they had the exact same problem as star wars because it's like finn is brainwashed as a stormtrooper and the last one they meet a bunch of stormtroopers who ran away and yet every time they kill them it's like oh look they kill another stormtrooper yeah yeah that guy well yeah um because that's the thing right empathizing with them now through the mouth right um right now they're still white you can only empathize with the black words if you had a if you had to wipe them out and she recognizes like this is the necessary like thing to do to save earth and stuff it'll be one thing but she yeah she's like whoo-hoo when she slams through the ship and you're just like oh my gosh oh my god that's so bad because um a lot of people are got a new hope as a comparison where they're like but Han Solo is like a cowboy saying yee-ha sort of thing when he it's like yeah when he saves luke from about to be shot by Darth Vader to destroy the death star is about to blow up old uh sorry Yavin 4 right it's just like that's a little different i think right yeah and the empire trading new hope is being morally ambiguous at all yeah they're bad no very bad nobody's being lied to on that death star they they know what they're doing you know why you're here carl to blow up planets yeah exactly press the button i don't think we'd actually do it you gotta put food on the table okay gosh and here i was thinking moral ambiguity was not knowing how to properly identify mushrooms oh oh my god your ship by kids or by parents for their kids is effectively impossible the way things are captured casual readership is effectively impossible because of how things are structured bullshit casual reships are possible that's not true at all that's insane possible not because of this issue possible because like if you try to get into a comic that's got like 10 years of backstory that you need to understand to get into it well no because like the implication of this statement is i have a kid and he's like oh man i'm buying the new iron man or iron hot whatever the fuck it is it's like i'm gonna go buy all the it's cool they also made this little tv show anime it's really cool i'm gonna go watch this iron man by by by who is it a quentin tarantino okay yeah whatever oh my god there's blood everywhere ah i can't even casually enjoy my iron man now because i might slip into something super adult it's like that doesn't happen that's ridiculous isn't this a whole point of the rating system i mean jesus christ it says i'll rate it on it if i pick up as a kid a movie called like happy this happened with happy tree friends it's rated like 18 i remember being like what what is happy tree friends it's like but it's a cartoon yeah so good it's what's what i mean it's it's a really fun thing to find out but like as if people just oh you know what i just i accidentally fell into watching it like i'll rate it things like no you didn't that's bullshit not really not happening and it's an exception if anything and he's like all casual readership you just can't do it anymore like you know okay so a children's book writer i mean like i've said this before not in all cases but in most uh the last person i would ask about the sales of a comic or how to sell a comic book is somebody who writes it or draws it from a store in a store perspective they they they don't understand the business side of it for the most part not everybody some people do and they do very well when they figure that out but uh yeah no it's up to the wherever you sell the comics for like i have a kids section and i direct the kids or i parking lot yeah right uh no it's usually in the back room in the van the white van oh shit gary stay away from the white van now go take you to the back cave no the back cave no actually my kid section had bronze comics in it i didn't even buy the modern uh because they're dumbed down they're the guys like roger lang whatever's name is would dumb down like a Thor comic and i would just rather read have them read the comics i read as a kid that were made uh supposedly for 8 to 12 year olds that i still enjoy now so maybe i'm immature i don't give a shit uh and that's that's how i got kids reading comics it depends on the person selling them and it depends on the parent you can't just say like mauler said you know there was violence and one thing the character's ruined forever and can we also remind everybody that kids have parents like if your kid is like i want to know everything to do with iron man and you find out iron man is about 50% friendly to kids 30% friendly only to teenagers and then 20% is all mature stuff it's on you to get all that children related stuff and provide them to your kid okay don't make the kid go i'm just gonna casually check out a google iron man oh no is all this violence i'm traumatized now thanks disney also you know it's like what do you mean this doesn't happen no we have to save space the world man that's exactly what we have to do kids have to be able to go anywhere this was like the whole meme i remember back in the day parents would be like you can't see this 18 movie and i'm like oh man you go into a video game store and you pick a bulk hub at resident evil this is legit happened to be i saw the 18 ratings and i was like hmm can i have these and my dad was like yeah look it's a game they didn't my tears didn't take games seriously they were like oh it's a game it's fucking it's like little pixels doing stupid things like who cares what 18 months right and luckily for me they never like with resident evil i remember when i first booted up they never walked in on you no because like this near the beginning you you open that door and there's just a zombie eating someone and it slowly turns towards you and i would be like jesus christ this is terrible this isn't mario yep um more combat though never struck me as too violent i was just having fun because the context of those games violence is so different again which i guess i'm just talking about how kids take violence is so the realism adds a completely different level to it it does yeah like if it's if it's real you're like oh my goodness holy cow what have i stumbled into i mean i can remember all the movies that affected me that way when you're like this is weird i love it though the moral complexity is the most interesting thing about movies for you i like it when heads explode i think it's the but that's part of it that's part of it that's a huge part of it and i think the far now to claw that ground back i think it's insane that dc has spent 70 years making superman as big as mickey mouse and branding him to be understood by parents as being pretty much as kid friendly as except for the movies that have a clear r rating posters yes all right yeah now we need to talk about what is it dumb our parents if there's two operations happening at once here being what is created for them as content and what people are being told about them in terms of who they're friendly for it's going to be pretty hard to separate those two things if they made 50 years of r rated superman just ripping people to shreds and then someone was like yeah but they had 70 years of making of a friendly person so now i'm confused like what do you mean just look at the fucking rating you weirdo it's not hard yeah you'll figure it out it has an r that means don't show it to kids because this is an entirely different argument at this point this is actually advocating that people are going to get confused and then end up watching something they didn't want it's like you just have to read yeah yeah it also goes counter to patrick's point because patrick's point was violence and adult themes is fine as long as you're deconstructing it but this guy's point is completely different he's just saying no no characters that are on kids lungs boxes should ever be portrayed as r rated characters yeah and he said only to piss that brand away implying more so a monetary like uh consequence now which again i don't give a fuck to be honest with you if someone if someone said like well if we make our child friendly thing adult friendly now we might lose a viewership whatever i'd be like okay but i'm assuming you you weren't doing it to make more money you were doing it because you want to tell that story and again um if someone was like well you may not care about it but they might i'd be like yeah well that would be valid but like i thought we were talking about some things more meaningful than what makes the most money you know at that point i should be like yeah i mean there's lots of things you could do to make the most money it's that brand away in a decade nothing wrong with doing mature content in comics in fact it should be encouraged as often as possible i mean i agree it's not the maturity of superman that has led to his i guess i don't know if it's not downfall per se but lack of quality it's not the r-rating again we we come to this impasse of like being our rating doesn't mean being adult content they're not entirely synonymous this just indicative like if it's r-rated then surely it'll be for adults it's like well yes yes it's about quality yeah we want i'm more than happy for someone to have an adult take on any content as if it's well written like go for it um and again we're sort of tossing around with like adult mature um all all it really is trying to come to is just talking about things or presenting things that children are typically if you sit a kid down who's like eight years old you're like let's talk about addiction and the results of bottling up grief to the point of taking your own life the kids would be like what you're like oh well okay okay i guess you don't want to talk about that that's fine like the best you'll get in terms of like a pixar type movie is only things that could be allegorically represent that sort of thing where a daddle is like oh i can kind of see a message here and the kid is like huh i was just looking at the characters running around doing little things i can't imagine the intro of up not disturbing children i mean i think that was a risk that intro is a bit risky like a lot of kids probably did not enjoy it they were probably like i'm gonna gear i'm gonna go out on a limb and say that that movie is not r-rated either like they're really just talking about sex and violence they're not talking about like uh adult subject matter the beginning of up is very much adult subject matter is it not i mean it's like the same thing you spelled out yeah why can't i fuck a baby into this woman oh she died yeah exactly oh yeah um because he said nothing wrong with your mature content as well which by the way you probably don't want to bring that up after everything you just said yeah but doing it with characters who are on your kids lunchboxes is kind of moronic i don't even know what to say about this people put fucking robocop terminator alien predator they were all on lunchboxes too they would never i found a birds of prey lunchbox i looked it up i think we need to like reevaluate what we what we're thinking about when we say kids like when i was a kid i fucking like i said i loved predator predator was fucking amazing it was like oh yeah that children's tv show yeah how to catch a predator oh i have a little chris hansen on my on my lunchbox he's my favorite oh my god don't talk shit about my lunchbox or i'll find out where you live oh the characters who were on your kids lunchboxes is kind of moronic explain yourself why take a lesson from watchmen and come up with new characters for that stuff and then go back to superman and why and put the same kind of love and effort and craft and intelligence you've been putting into all those rape scenes and so if it's watchmen content it can't be creative or intelligently made yeah to be honest with you now it seems like he's more so saying because at first i thought he was trying to say like remove the gratuitous nature and make batman superman mature sure that's fine but then he went on to say like no actually don't do that for things that are on kids lunchboxes do it for something new and so now it feels a little bit scattered well why doesn't patrick use this argument against star wars or any of the other stuff i mean this is would he use this argument when people exploring new territory when star wars does it it's a new take on star wars i mean would patrick make this argument if someone's complaining about you know why is miles morales black why spider-man black now why don't they make a new character yes they're gonna agree with that i think we could reflect this back on him yeah because um this is the thing when you talk about adaptation changing elements and keeping elements like shouldn't everything be on the table that's oh yeah that's yeah so hypocritical because that's the argument that i thought patrick and and people in that genre have been making for so long about you know being able to insert politics or change the gender sexuality or race of characters so the human centipede lunchbox i'm getting one of those oh definitely um and yeah also this seems like a little bit bitter it's like it just turns to bitter it's like go back to superman about and put the kind of same kind of love and effort and craft and intelligence you've been putting into all those rape scenes and body view that mutilation it's like okay is there a rape scene in batman or superman it seems like i don't know that i remember i wanted to put it in there every time they have sex with someone is great because of the politics involved okay okay well that makes sense yeah you're right i forgot about that intersectional feminism exactly yeah quote mutilation into something kids can read and adults can also be proud to read because of all the love and effort and craft and intelligence i'm not proud of my rape fetish but um right at this point it just seems like he's not advocating at all for what he sounded like he was at this point he just he just doesn't like gratuitous violence or right nudity which again it's like that's a different argument different thing or yeah or i don't know i mean he kind of seems to be dwelling he's not talking about marvel very much obviously because there is anything but yeah there's not this glut of violent rated r movies that's the thing that's kind of yeah because i just like that's the vibe content the vibe of the video it's like stop this from happening we're all looking around like what's happening oh all right mit we did it hooray and it's funny because he compares himself he's like i'm not being hella lovejoy from simpsons who's the stereotype like thinking the children but it's like you kind of are though like you know what he brought up they always pull these they always pull these quotes out to kind of add like some authority to their video and stuff but i always feel like it's super safe for them because they can say oh you know these aren't my words this isn't the way i feel i'm just pulling up someone that i yeah exactly but it's not me you know it's kind of it's kind of safe i want to know what this guy feels not what he thinks this other guy feels yeah they never do that because yeah it's hard to it sometimes it gets hard to like sort of pass out who you're supposed to be talking to but like at this point it's like okay your issue is that it's roger guys i need a kid loves his batman puts it on his lunchbox and then one day he watches a film with batman gets raped or something he's like he's rubber patents in his batman yeah i'm taking you to the bat rape dungeon you're like oh no it's like we can't have this happen we need to find a better way the better way is make your own fucking thing called rape band and he does the rape but you're like oh okay robin it's time to slide down the bat pole and i think we can all agree that the other solution is hey you know that our rated batman just don't let your kid watch it until they're older they're full of that where's the white van mobile right man has a white van mobile very very well named very adult and shows the real versions i think this sums it all up pretty perfectly no it's confusing and weird but i know sums it up perfectly what this is why i have absolutely no problem with things like watchmen are the boys because those characters only exist in those stories they were created exclusively for adults and there's no kids version happening simultaneously you can't do this when we've already gone over how much kids love like adult shit again with the the ludge but you made the lunchbox compares it was like the ludge box people had all kinds of show the ludge boxes that went for them like he's yeah modern warfare two is full of 12 year olds do we um i guess like to prove this it's like patrick what if i told you that we we polled uh 100 of the children audience of batman and we told them do you want a batman who hits criminals harder maybe there's some blood involved of these children the majority of them voted yes would you at that point just be like well they don't know what they want okay they're wrong like all right they know what they want yeah they do i mean i i still remember being that age just like hell yeah i'll watch a batman who hits harder sure this is still like a like a boy girl thing too boys like violence far more than girls do so they want to see their try movies yeah exactly yeah and something like the dark night returns sure it's about that i just want to say too that i nailed it with the ip consistency like that's exactly what he's advocating here man but it's an out of continuity miniseries it's not the main ongoing batman oh oh so you're okay with it in the ip as long as it's else will type shit or what if or alternative so it's now it's not about the ip it's about the literal timeline all these what is actually criticize we don't even know what he's got he doesn't want a mainline timeline to ever change its audience it has if ever it does it either has to be a different ip or it has to move outside of the universe which by the way you can just treat it that way yeah because i'm assuming that's how people are treating the dc movies no one's looking at the zack sider ones is a continuation of the michael keaton batman movie no no dude people even now this night or right it's funny because like even as a kid i never treated um the schumacher batman movies as continued from the timburton ones i thought they would knew and it's like no this shit can't do this like i guess even as a kid i knew there was the animated show there was the batman and robin stuff and there was the other thing like they were clearly different yep you know what i really think made him do this it's because he knows he can't he can't advocate that we don't have dark knight returns right he has to account for that and so now he's like okay that's okay but he is why it's because they said it's an else will thing um i wonder if we could just have something like logan you might you might even say it now that logan's acceptable because of that reason um but again as you just said couldn't we treat all of the dcu this way can you just and even if it wasn't right even if the creator said no no it's absolutely mainline you could still as a parent be like sorry child this is not mainline you can't say yet like simple as that i don't know yeah it's an alternate version of the character made for an older audience which is why it's kind of weird that that's the version that zack sider based his main canonical does that not make your entire point fall apart though like it does yeah he's like oh zack sider shouldn't be doing it this way but it is weird that he had he did the one that i said was okay to do in the way that he did it it's like wait but that yeah that's in line with you why is that wrong at all in the first place they're weird why is it weird he chose that one i don't understand like the isn't that the one he should choose if you want to from patrick's perspective i mean i mean patrick's argument would only apply if there were no previous batman movies if the very first batman movie was you know gritty batman in the con and that didn't match the comics then he'd have an argument but that does not even work if the first one was like all you'd be advocating for there is like why didn't you choose mainline instead of what if for your first right but that is is that the mainline should be kid friendly or something um but it's an adaptation shortly just because it's the first adaptation doesn't mean it has to be the mainline one does it i mean i don't agree with that it's a bad right right yeah right okay i understand like that's the least argument would be consistent with himself yeah because well maybe he thinks it all the batman movies haven't been correct adaptations there are some people who feel that way um yeah so i don't know i'm confused now because as soon as you open up that you can um alternate universe it in your own head canon it's like yeah so surely we're now fine anything goes that man anyway when allen moore wrote superman comics they weren't full of murder and brutal violence they were very much in the mold of classic superman stories for the classic superman audience now the other allen moore comic we must bring up is the killing joke the famous batman story in which the joker shoots barbra gordon through the spine strips her clothes off and photographs her naked writhing in pain and uses these photos to torment her father who is bound and gagged in bondage gear well okay it's odd good book you damn it i love it it's got a great reputation i've not read it but like wow yeah that's what i hear i never saw it as anything other than an else world right uh and ate it canon you know but when i was reading it at the time i just kind of thought it was uh like dark knight returns that's if someone said like they read that story to me they're like do you think this is the mainline source of batman i've been like probably i don't think so probably an offshoot like this is what it was like when it came out it was 87 so i was 17 and that's about the right age to read it i thought it was the coolest effing thing i ever read the arts amazing and it was different back then i mean now it's just it's played out but i loved it yeah all right let's see what he's got to say about this it's uh pretty grim definitely grimmer than a regular batman story and so for decades it has been held up by fans as one of the best ever stories about these characters but alan more himself called it a regrettable misstep i don't give a fuck i don't give a fuck if he said it's a regrettable misstep i don't care if george lucas tomorrow said the empire strikes backs was was shit i shouldn't have made it that wouldn't change a god damn thing nope and he shouldn't think it does either death of the author is something these people talk about all the time like it bye bye author doesn't matter if you think it's bad or a mistake i'm sorry justin timberlake just made a big apology yesterday for all the stuff he doesn't really regret doing it all so yeah and don't listen to alan more he's i love him as a writer he's a great writer and he's a little off not judging anybody but he really does think he's a wizard so that's okay he's a little jaded too he's a very yes yeah i yeah okay jaded off the charts off charts he said i've been told the joker film wouldn't exist without my joker story but three months after i'd written that i was disowning it it was far too violent it was batman for christ's sake it's a guy dressed as you just said that it's okay to do this if it was an alternative timeline and now you're saying like no i can't do it because it's batman can you make up your mind like when is it after saying it well that's what i mean it's like you're presenting this as though it adds to your argument but it's like it's totally against yours so you need to contextualize it differently the best version of batman was adam west which didn't take it serious okay hard to disagree yeah i don't know about that i mean it's it's fun in a goofy way but yeah i don't i don't really mind what anybody thinks is the best version i'm just like yeah it's fine but like why also is your best why does it say i've been told the joker film wouldn't exist without my joker story as if this is like regrettably the joker movie was inspired by my work i just feel like i mean the movie's pretty awesome so you made a great comic can you inspire a great movie like okay yeah i don't know you don't seem too happy about this what's wrong with you i won't even i won't even believe that i mean the killing joke in the joker movie i don't i don't seem that similar i can believe it was inspired uh it's just that it's obviously doing loads of different things to the point of there's no real like batman isn't in batman is like an ip really isn't in that much of the joker movie uh with obviously walking phoenix because there's probably gonna be more than one joker movie eventually um it's it's a it's clearly a character study and he's called a joker in it and he wears the makeup but like this is a point of um criticism for a lot of fans right they're like it doesn't have enough of the source in it and so it annoys them and i understand that i'm just saying that uh you can see where pieces came in from uh what may have been read i'm pretty sure uh the director's on record is having said the killing joke is definitely referenced and inspired it there's probably where he's gotten this from a bat and crink the best version of batman was adam west which didn't take it at all seriously whoa alan go off so tell us what you think about superheroes in general well uh it's weird that he's like the best version is the version that didn't take it seriously it's like hmm this feels weird okay should it not be treated seriously i was like intrinsically you should not treat it seriously well so this quote is something else i mean we haven't heard patrick read it out yet so i guess we'll let him do that interest in superheroes they were a thing that was invented in the late 1930s for children and they are perfectly good as children's entertainment but if you try to make them for the adult world then i think it becomes kind of grotesque so alan more is an idiot yeah so that's what i'm pulling away from these quotes is that alan more is a fucking moron what do you even say to this like hmm i'm like i scoot away slowly from him at the weird wherever it is that i've met him at the gas station like he's behind you in line and he just is randomly talking and you just want to pay for your gas in your snickers bar and leave you just want to get away from him that's how i picture alan more like we're a weird guy at that gas station in sedona arizona i feel like we'll be we're just greek mythology fit in with this oh i'm curious right well i mean it is i mean greek mythology is kind of superheroes from a thousand years ago right it's fucking awesome yeah it's all his politics he's like leaned hard into you know he's very anti-patriarchy and any kind of violence is jingoism and whatever yeah it's it's all his politics he's just gotten crazier as he's gotten over and yeah he's a comic writer it's talking about by the way i'm trying to make them for the adult world becomes grotesque see you look at um iron man again i like bringing him up because he's one of my favorites all right and it's just like this this story of a man who through his intelligence and his the family he was was bought into and his you know technology investment he's created weapons and he sold them and he's made a really good life for himself as a result those weapons end up being used by people to do horrible things to other people and then it's like he as a result of obviously this already is he can design himself a suit that makes him more powerful than basically any one person on the planet and he's he's he's going to change because he has the power to people being able to use that against him and he's usually portrayed if i remember correctly he's like he's got he's an alcoholic as well as feeling as though he's responsible for a lot of what is essentially absolute misery in the world and it's like you see it becomes grotesque when you try and tell that story for an adult it's like that already sounds like an adult story that's a kid's story though clearly what you just described for me was like that's like after dora yeah there's iron man yeah so it's so i remember learning about arms dealers in preschool yep day one it's it's everything's got to go to extreme streams right so you know adults can't uh enjoy superhero films because it's uh you know it's it's arrested development or something like that you can't be an adult and enjoy superhero stuff that's i mean that's utter bullshit you know i like my stuff i like superhero stuff and then i can be a dad i can turn dad on yeah whenever the fuck i want i'm not i'm not stuck in one mindset all the time but at the same time give me any film that is definitively like adult and then you know you do and it's like okay so what if i made this film but i also added in that one of these characters was born with an ability that gave them stronger strength than anyone else and then they started fighting crimes like oh well you've become grotesque now oh and childish okay i didn't realize that those variables because this is the thing i don't you know when people talk about genre and they're like superheroes a genre i'm always just like superheroes i couldn't isn't superhero just encompasses like everything the only variable is that someone has power that puts them you know higher than other people's ability and then they decide to fight with it for whatever reason um yeah and you won't make it could be noir it could be a rom-com it could be anything yeah that's and you can do a superhero it's like imagine alien then you go okay but uh you know dallas he's he's got laser vision you should be like okay and not say like oh this wouldn't be good i'm gonna say no i'm just saying like does that out that i guess he could use it on the alien maybe we should make it he can go invisible and it's just something that he can do it's just what i'm trying to argue is like suddenly it becomes like this it's superhero now i'd be like that's weird like what if it never even comes up it's just something he could do someone here said alan moore wrote a graphic novel about wendy from peter pan alice from alice in wonderland and northy from the wizard of os telling their sexual adventures when they grew up what yep oh they say that kind of makes patrick's argument is also they're not super you see the person yeah of course yeah women do the person asking you about how's the Thor apparently at some point had to dress up as a girl to get his hammer back from a frost giant what did that happen in the comic books that sounds hilarious i can do it i want to see this in Thor 4 okay actually no they would probably make it really lower the destroyer i'd watch it yeah lost girls that's that's the name of the graphic novel that came out and he's still writing stuff like that he's alan moore's full of shit he's the kind of guy who like one bad thing happens to him and it the whole day is bad it might my day is bad i can't get over this one bad thing that happened oh yeah and i think some people are like a little bit like rags and i are not commenting on alan moore's ability as a writer okay simply these comments he just comes across as a crazy person at a gas station that you want to get away from if he wasn't writing combooks he would be that crazy guy at the gas station if that's a picture of him then he looks like a crazy person at the gas station but he's a good homeless person who snuck in and is just biding his time in the air conditioning before he's asked to leave and he doesn't have to work he doesn't have to work for the rest of his life because he wrote superhero comic books and he cashed a lot of checks now he does give away a lot of money he refuses to take any residuals from watchmen the film he doesn't want his name on it so he's got you know at least he's got a little bit of integrity there but that's a lot of integrity oh yeah i can respect integrity it's just that his beliefs are strange okay they're just strange and worth discussing i think because yeah the because i'm still in my head to unfavorable point the better explain the point i was making with um having a superhero ability right does that then make you a superhero genre movie it's like i don't think so it's it's no and so there's more that comes with it and it's just like is it automatically grotesque if ever is for adults i just find it it's all very strange i maybe be interested to talk to him about it i don't know i don't know that he might be a little set in his position might not be with him well he recently came out and basically said if you like superhero comics you're a youtzi oh great did uh pulled a Pedro Pascal recently you told me really yeah it was like all superheroes are fundamentally fascist right yeah they're fundamentally fascist and you like it you're one too where's indiana jones fit in that in that uh idea because i don't necessarily know still a nazi just thing internalize nazi of them it's especially relevant with um iod man because he doesn't actually have any powers he has technology and so super rich like this is if superheroes uh well yeah yeah if superheroes were like automatically there's no point going into that it's so absurd you just can't even like you might have counters you can have to it's like okay you know whatever it's fine okay okay maybe a little more extreme than i would go but yeah i get it won't somebody please think of the children it's good that you play these clips yeah it's very important it is what's the was it all superhero fans are nazis in response to this video the response to this video rather because it seems like it might be it might they might be related i'm gonna i'm just gonna guess here feeling more nazi by the moment especially if it was recent well if he's gonna watch this response of course but then it all makes oh we're nazi he doesn't like to recognize that i exist he's not something if i could get you about it patrick will is watching an efap episode i think he he would be very upset his brain would explode implode it would do a plode of some kind uh he watches all these are you kidding me he cleans his gut while he watches them he doesn't he's not a con owner i love superhero comics and superhero movies and i love that this genre has become so embrace admitted nazi right there race by history audiences fascist but we can't forget that at their core superheroes are inherently kind of silly uh there you go the silly trigger warning so i'm gonna call i'm gonna call super realistic i don't think we need the word so it out because you get the Iron Man could happen someday it could a billionaire who made weapons like and felt really bad about it that makes a suit it's revolutionary with technology has access to it's like that could happen so you must not be talking about realistic you must be talking about campiness i guess or just yeah because we've got ability right now and elon musk you know two sides yeah well i think jay silly so yeah oh yeah yeah i'm by the way i can't wait to see elon man elon's awesome he's gonna muskman gonna go to space in his space suit fire lasers the aliens over mar yeah he's gonna have like a harem on mars yeah yeah he's gonna establish a muskocracy absolutely these are stories about people who gain magical powers in freak accidents so it's that it's not real is that it is that it's not yeah everything silly that isn't real you dress in tight colorful costumes oh is that an important factor that this the costumes are tight what the fuck is this i like it when they're yeah i give themselves made-up nicknames oh man when you give yourself a a made-up name i guess all of you guys that would be really fucking weird wouldn't it if someone did that like you gave yourself a made-up nickname instead of your real name i would never give myself a makeup what a weird thing to do so silly and unrealistic i was called rags i was alpha of the litter i don't why would you even say this when like most of the time is to protect their identity like fort first and foremost why would you even make this from freaks like him i'm reason for yours to protect our identity it's funny because categorically there are more fake names if you will in chat than there are real ones it's like what this is kind of how we operate these days especially with how we have to stay inside all the time are you silly folk all of you with your silly names well i bet you with skin tight suits superheroes would be more childish if they could all run around with their own names and no one cared like oh look it's john the guy who's super powerful no one's ever gonna attack him while he's sleeping and could you believe what chaos the world would be if you were allowed to like legally change your name like that would be insane there's no way that would they'd ever allow that no no no that'd be ridiculous is it a bird is it a plant no it's john smith it's adam here he comes it's it's robert it's robert oh no robert criminals in the face it's so weird that they punch criminals in the face no one does that what a weird thing yeah i'd punch him in the the shoulder yeah yeah it's it's bizarre too because like this is superheroes are just the continuation of the hero mythology that has gone on through human history from its existence yeah and people like it when someone with an extraordinarily extraordinary circumstance can use it for good that's something we like right we're okay with that we give it a thumbs up it happens in real life before 1930 there was no superheroes yeah you can use a fucking faggot you'd have to just deal with the fact that everything sucked nobody did anything special ever with anything old stuff no matter how this and mythic and profound and gritty these stories can be oh my god there is always going to be that silliness at the heart of it no what is the silliness at the heart so first of all what if they don't have a silly costume and a silly name i was going to say all the things he defined are things that we can erase and maintain it being a superhero movie they they wear baggy outfit they wear their they use their real name they don't have a magical power they just have a power i don't even have suits yeah i was gonna say this this example's like a isn't punisher just a guy yeah he's wearing a skonish shirt so it's costume oh okay well if we take the skull off and he calls himself frank castle and not punisher looks like we did it prattrick by your own stupid system what is this also the way this camera is aimed is very this is a very angle wrong with not forget that when stan lee and jack curvy and uh steve ditko were creating marvel and making such a huge impact on comics uh with doing quote adult stories if you actually read those stories they are not adult stories they are silly and don't care what does that even mean tell me what you don't care yeah in the in context they were more adult than what they were getting before so it was a progression yeah right which is which is probably what i meant yeah it's not even be like jerry conway was there with roi thomas when you know it progressed again and it evolved and that's what we're in right now while it was evolving now it's devolving but for a long time it was evolving and it was very good mm-hmm more violent the brace that material we're embracing it at least in part because it gave them the freedom to to be silly you know to to embrace the silliness of these characters uh by the eye winking and the and the uh acknowledgement that it was silly that came with stan's commentary fine silly exactly i'm sorry yeah i know let me tell you what silly is wearing a tight costume you'll be like does he seem fun yeah like yeah he looks like the kind of person who would call fun things silly yeah as he as he runs his bank in 1915 that's supposed to be all written in london in the smoggy city and he forbids singing it's weird because patrick has like his patrick has his own point which is not fleshed out and kind of muddled we don't really understand what it is and then he keeps cutting to older guys who are basically saying back in my day comics were better because they were you know sillier back in my day and have nothing to do with patrick's point really i don't really know patrick has a point i think so yeah ralph's talking about and he's talking about comma books two completely different media we do get as you say self-conscious over time and we start looking for excuses for why it's really good stuff well it's really good stuff on its own terms so when what the fuck does that mean yeah what was that that's so confused i'm so confused here who's finding an excuse to like our stuff are you guys find looking for excuses to like your stuff i'm not yeah it's almost like oh man i love adam west batman so good but i want to make it better by making it gritty and then he's like you don't understand it was good enough itself i just be like okay you guys are all taught you need to define these terms i don't fucking anyone's talking about anymore do you think you talk about you just like it and you want to make something else you also like in which case more power to you but then the guy saying right hey it was already good i'd be like okay it could also be different right like i i'm so lost to the all of you you're all weird people like that isn't variety the price of life if it isn't great to have variety that's what i yeah what's going on here i'll need to think the same be pod people i want people i want all i want it all i want the silly i want the gritty i want the violent the gratuitous sex i want it all the conversation was cut off before the end guy a says i no longer want silly campy i want edgy because that would be good and then the guy says hey it was good before and that's where it ends it's like no no the guy should then said hey maybe it was good before but i want to make something else this good and different yeah oh shit yeah we could have all the good yeah let's do it let's have all the good guys more good can you have this guy saying fuck that that's not but that's a different argument the part you yeah you you put up a different robin though you can have that robin you can have a gritty adult robin then you can you can have this yeah yeah because this is the thing you have to be definitive about the problem is here we all see this we go oh my god how edgy of you to say fuck batman robin that's like the one of the people you don't expect it however there could be a context where robin is perfectly justifiable and saying fuck batman there wasn't driving around of course i don't believe for a second that titans justified it but you know i've been sold on it completely and stabbing people and dick with garden shoes yeah i'm also wearing a colorful span it's costume one of my viewers uh cut that to the teen titans theme of him him just stabbing the guy in the dick over and over again to the it's out there on the internet again he yeah edgy would be the word that comes to mind predominantly with this thing all righty he's i'll just google robin dick stabbing musical interlude it creates this dissonance it's trying very hard to be serious and adult but it's like a 13 year old's idea of what that's a different problem no it isn't that's a different problem anyway from what he's been talking about you're talking about being edgy for the sake of it not actually trying to portray adult stuff that's not what you you're you're making it sound like you can't do this you can't make robin and batman and superman and spider-man a mature thing because you end up with this it's like no that's a result of someone being incompetent being like isn't it edgy just stabs one of the dick that's a different thing patrick i always said teen titans needed more dick savings absolutely but adult clearly embarrassed about what it is it's so i would say it ain't it ain't embarrassed about what it is it is very confident about what it is it thinks it's doing great yeah problem is not it should be embarrassed but it isn't adult means it's so clearly embarrassed about what it is it's so afraid of being silly or childish that it ends up even more ridiculous it's like that's not why also if you want to say that after saying that silly is good you're now in trouble this is even more silly which is bad like wait a minute get a little bit crossed over here i don't know what's happening anymore ironically sing a nickel back song why even bringing i mean i agree that that is super cringe and i wouldn't let any of these people close to me how did you connect this like look at this other thing that's extremely cringe and embarrassing like how is this for an analogy making robin stab someone in the dick is like singing nickel back okay yeah all right okay i love land there is a moment batman versus superman that should have a nickel back song playing in it all of it's the moment when he's like mom your mom has to say nickel back should come up while he's saying that with martha you say that name take that scene to the next level you would have to admit it it would elevate it listen to this music it's so inspiring yes our moms have the same name we know comic books were dismissed for decades as dumb childish stuff and i remember when i was younger and i desperately wanted them to be taken seriously but this desperation is how you end up with comics like identity crisis dc's crossover event most of the story revolves around the reveal that years earlier book not a movie and he's also again it's not it's the execution clearly it's not actually the idea right every time dr lay he just refuses to acknowledge that of course it can work also we also have the fucking escape card that he gave us earlier which is well this is elsewhere patrick this is this is a what if that was fine yeah that was fine what a terrible video what wouldn't you have to be arguing that it ever works uh in order to make this argument that's the thing this video should be called why it sucks when people get really edgy it's lord edge patrick willams yeah and that's the other thing i probably end up disagreeing with that video because it's like really hard to be definitive about that sort of thing it's definitely a personal preference like i consider the dark saber too edgy but someone else would be like that's the fucking best thing ever it's like all right you do you supervillain dr light sexually assaulted elongated man's wife and then the justice league covered it up the entire thing is an agonizing attempt to cram quote unquote adult themes into inherently childish material it's not inherently childish yeah what is it silly you're childish you said silly earlier now you're saying it's childish and um when you was explaining it it's like a team member rapes somebody and the rest of the team covered up i assume for the sake of their image it's like that sounds pretty adult um and it could be very well executed for all we understand and it's something that could be relevant for something of a in a superhero wilderness like well this is meant for children though like oh i really don't think you've made a good argument in that case i don't know i thought he was gonna say it's really edgy but um i don't know that scenario does seem like you could make a really good story out of it yeah absolutely result is just unpleasant but i'll admit when i was is that your argument it's unpleasant yeah your argument about trying to cover up rape is unpleasant it's like yeah yeah right it sucks it's amazing to me that we have this 40 minute video so few points like he could make a distinction about why an identity crisis the sexual assault is stupid and why it works in watchmen but he just says no it just doesn't work just gross take my word for it yeah yeah it was popular i didn't sell the kids had good covers people were into it they were shocked it was there to shock but he's not like really he said the jla covered it up it was i don't know it was it was more of a mind wipe by satana we're not gonna go down that road though maker forget about it stuff but it's still wrong and then dc relaunched their universe like you know another year later so it didn't really happen oh wow again though like you could even just consider it that way a lot of people don't consider the sequel trilogy canon like no fuck that it's elseworld bullshit and they might even make that the case as time goes on who knows was 16 thought it was awesome the only way to establish its replacement it will become much more likely did you catch that once they realize that people will clap at anything he did the thing when i was when i was young i also thought it was cool but then i grew up like yeah he's done that before yeah he he likes to always yeah comics are super childish like he's constantly devaluing the things that he like yeah the whole medium but at the same time he's saying you know i you know back when i was a kid he was a super cringe and all that stuff but i thought it was cool but not me it's like he's looking down on the thing that he his livelihood is it is weird it seems like a consistency for him that he's like you uh i wanted to be sure but it's not i mean but it's okay to do a 41 minute whatever video on it which i don't think is silly at all but i mean based on your argument why are you talking about this much then if it's so silly and childish and you don't care you had to show off earlier yeah this is the guy who was recommended my video and said i'm not going to watch a five hour rant by some angry guy on youtube it's like oh okay i am okay yeah i'll watch it yeah i'm okay with an angry guy ranting go for it see what he's got to say earlier in the video he was saying that inherit like wearing a costume is inherently childish and yet he's wearing yeah he's wearing this costume to try to turtle this isn't nor a person clothes this is like yeah well look what i used to like violence when i was a kid but then i bought a turtleneck and grew up but imagine telling me that i was incapable of violence like i know this is absurd but jump into the iron man movie with patrick and he's like you're ridiculous look what you're wearing i imagine tody songers be like we mean it's like it protects me from bullets why are you saying this to me and like who says the iron man suit especially the iron man one looks like ridiculous it looks awesome what do you mean it does look awesome yeah when i was six i thought it was awesome the r-rated versions that work know how to navigate this dead pool leans into the silliness and absurdity and positions itself as a wacky and see so what he had to do was say don't do this but then the ones people liked dead pool logan etc he has to justify them he's like no they're okay though because they did it right because of this reason this yeah yeah yeah this reason but you know what he executed an individual story yeah this is what he should have figured out it's not that you shouldn't do it these are the exceptions it's the these guys didn't do what titans did which is stab a guy the dick over and over again to say fuck batman edgy cringe shit i mean basically he's this whole video is just critiquing zack snider and zack snider inspired dc stuff really yeah which is fine but don't don't make this broad label of all r-rated superheroes because he's like lamenting like oh people want r-rated x-men no but what you haven't proven why that would be a bad thing inherently other than saying you shouldn't be children shouldn't have to see that it's like okay hell and love joy that's all you're doing dark where you're within a classic superhero universe and logan which is as gritty and serious there you go makes that work by stripping away all the tropes and iconography of superheroes and shifting into an entirely different genre is he's not wearing a costume logan is the one that kind of falls entirely into his whole argument in in the it's a sequel technically speaking depends on how you view it right but you watch x-men one two three then you watch x-men origins wolverine then you watch the wolverine then you watch first class days of future past apocalypse and then this one or is it before apocalypse this one is point is yeah that there's a continuity this film relies on you having seen the others it references them the events in them so the idea that those films were meant absolutely not for the audience that this is exclusively for it just destroys his argument he's like no no no it's fine though because logan is like a where it's like you can't do this it's too late the child who watched x-men one watched this and went oh no mr patrick i'm so scared by how adult this has helped me you were right patrick they shouldn't be making films like logan and then patrick like no no no no people liked logan were allowed logan it's like oh yeah it's too late already erasing logan i thought he said it was a superhero genre and it's shifts into a different genre no this is still a superhero movie absolutely in in a darker action adventure that's that's all they are it's different genres that's why they can make them forever at this point and yeah you know all together it's secretly a western so here it's a western okay like i said at this point it's superheroes just something he brands when he doesn't like it it's when he likes he's like okay yeah it's not a superhero movie yeah it's not a superhero movie when i like it like logan's not a superhero movie because he's not a spandex but will bring here's the part i know is coming where people in the comments accuse me of being a hypocrite in other videos i'm advocating for your hypocrite in this video let alone other videos yeah it's fine we don't have to bring those into this makers to have creative freedom or i'm oh that's actually another angle yeah it would be cool if we let the artist really just try and do the thing with the thing i guess but um whatever he definitely feels that way about everything so be interested to see how he accounts for it i guess demanding that big franchise entertainment take more risks and move away from predictable homogeneity so why now am i imposing these restrictions on these characters and saying they have to be done a certain way well that's not really what i'm saying ah then you phrased it very poorly what i'm saying here is really less about the creators of these movies and shows and more about the audience which is where we talk uh you talk to them a bunch but yeah tell me how it's my fault you talk about pretentious audience's fault there's a bunch of angry white males enjoying violent comic books i seriously hope that's me okay i hope that's not always going with this i but i have to bug out but i want to hear this keep going okay i gotta hear to own the characters and there's something kind of selfish about demanding that they change to appeal to us as we you literally is this video that's literally this video patrick why are you so dumb you just spent the whole video so wait has patrick never made the argument that superheroes should become more diverse to reflect a diverse population i suppose he considers that modern year i suppose he considers that a different type of argument a different format because what he just said is we as grown up children now shouldn't advocate that it grows up with us we should instead allow it to stay for children and so they can enjoy it right how diverse batman is he probably like batman being black has no effect on this it's nothing to do with that but it's just fascinating because he spent the whole fucking video talking about what he wants it to be and he's like we shouldn't be so selfish as to demand that they get he remember he said when i was 13 i thought this too is like oh you don't need more well he's gone the full cycle he's like when i was younger i wanted them to be more violent so they should have been but now that i'm older i don't so they shouldn't be yeah it's like wait did you say that we're advocating for the reverse of that that we shouldn't be so selfish but you get to have what you want all right then it's the privations of discovering them the way we did they can still discover it the way you did yeah yeah it's okay never went away i discovered style was the same way my dad obviously not in the theater but still they're still making a you know child-oriented superhero content all the time i mean i know that again because yeah there's always kids there's more kids than ever i go to this example because it's just such a such a quintessential one but like they're at parents right now showing their children the ot from 78 like some it's a while ago okay maybe he still thinks it's the 70s where we couldn't we didn't have vhs's or or f***ing dvds or i don't know he's got a yellow turtleneck on so maybe yeah so men's trapped in the past the strongest argument you can make is like yeah but that's not just easily because he said discoverable as if like the things you stumble across on modern day media it's just like why is this a problem there is new content for kids always it's a market it makes lots of money there's always going to be content for kids well and they're ignoring the money side because if if the people who are making the superhero content start marketing marketing it towards the older generation they're doing that because they feel like that's where they can get an audience because maybe the younger generation isn't interested in this maybe they're more interested in anime or manga or all these other things off which are video games part of their appeal is that they're not um you know so age defined they're like you know you have like hunter hunter and my hero which go all over the place in terms of whether it's for children or i think what he needs to wake the f*** up is to have a son show him batman like the he had his neighbor read and then the son is like this is lame and he's like what what i don't like this i'm sorry i just thought yeah i'm not interested in this you're like no because this is the solution to his problem if you want your son or whatever just discover whatever thing it's like they can go discover whatever they want but you can be like hey son i'd like you to see something that i think is amazing and if you have a good relationship with your son you should be right the tips of them checking it out it's how i got to see somebody great movies i was like yeah dad i trust your taste let's do it look you'll be okay but yeah he had these are the movies that we had to watch that we had a we had a bin with all the vhs's in it and so that was my selection yeah and it was a good one you can pass this stuff on because this seems to be his concerns like no kids aren't going to enjoy classic children friendly batman's like they still can't it's still there there's tons of it there yeah take your pick owners over fiction that existed long before us and will theoretically oh you're protecting it for the children on behalf of the child that's what i mean guardian of the children he's suggesting this is a horrible crime being their future like children grow up and they pretend on the tv and sax not as batman says do you bleed and they're like oh my god this is i don't like this guys no weirdo my son that is not batman here he is and then at west is going yep i can picture the sun being equally like what the fuck is that what the fuck is this is this a joke it is this a parody this is such a non problem he's like you'll be fine you can yep turns out people gravitate towards the stuff they like anyway so that's how we know they like it it's kids who grew up watching duck tails demanded that the recent reboot be catered specifically to them as adults with scrooge mcduck like snow that should give you the answer actually so when you think of a modern adult friendly duck tails none of us are like i want to see duck tails but with violence and gore the superhero content showing we we talked about this right at the beginning it comes full circle the actual consequences of taking people down in a justice system as a vigilante we're starting to get to adult topics we just are yes how it deserves this and how do they do that and who watches duck tails a bunch of ducks discussing things that happen to the boy it's like of course that can stay wrong with talking animals smaller i didn't say that there is i'm saying it is not inherently as as adult topics in terms of how should we deliver justice in a system for society what we're dealing with someone who's super powerful it's like he pretends that duck tails and batman have like the same level of discussion and topics and inherently tied to whatever they're obviously batman doesn't have as much as duck tails absolutely duck tails is so much more adult it's just like yeah oh my god like this was this was clearly he's going after the audience here this is his got sure it's like you wouldn't expect this would you this it's it's the audience this is a bunch of plebs you're a bunch of idiots well he was the one who said you're watching movies wrong maybe his whole argument is that he's mad at people who are overly critical of like star wars and things he likes he's like it's all these people if they didn't like the content if this content was geared at children then i wouldn't have to deal with the criticism because the children would just consume it and not question it maybe it's a small man argument yeah this sounds like a real weird argument that maybe comes from another place uh but i got i got a cut out guys sorry i hate to break the momentum this is take on his head gary one one long issue so i said i kind of want to see it already at duck tails i'm like hey you know if you if you want to do it you go ahead and make it see what people have to say about it um but yeah uh before you go thank you so much for joining us mr. nude rotic and do you want to um do you want to tell people about about yourself where you are where they can find you what you're up to oh my god well i'm gonna go spend some time with my son craziness i know uh maybe we'll watch joker or you know fight club yes uh yeah my name is gary i have a channel nerd rotic i make a video more than mauler but less than most people once a week and do a lot of live streaming so uh check me out if you'd like uh and subscribe to all these guys too they're great and uh thanks for having me on i appreciate it yeah man thanks for being here and uh we will catch you take care man take care guys oodaloo bye bye yeah link in description and chat subscribe to nerd rotic check out Friday night this is so cliche man he's going after the audience now it's just this is like the he thinks he's one video he thinks he's like you're thinking ahead duck tails but they've beaten the shit out of people it's like you wouldn't want that would you so now you understand like whoa first of all yeah we might do our words has to cater to you why do you think star wars has to cater to you like that's really the subtext here but like you i guess let's go let's go crazy when you the poo it's a strong man it's totally a strong man you could have a really adult winnie the pooh episode you know like uh yeah i'm not i'm not even going to demand that i'm not going to the violence or the sexual just like um uh ior said in world war two winnie the jew i went into some adult topics i was going to say we're all adults here Christopher robin Christopher robin gets sucked into nazism but you know we've just highlighted the value of parody too like having like oh yes big time if someone said i'm creating an r-rated winnie the pooh you'd be like that is not what we do the pooh's for you like exactly that's why it's going to be so good because it's going to be so fucking funny to watch like oh this video is terrible it doesn't account for so much immediate it appears i've been diagnosed with herpes oh no that's what you that's what you get pooh for sticking your cock and all that money so sticky i thought it had medicinal properties that would make me grow i thought it would cure the herpes i should have just put more stuffing in it honestly because i'm a fucking stuffed animal i'd fund that oh yes james oh yes uh what was it what was i even saying yeah just like the these creators often look at us as the ones that ruin creativity by like demanding that things are consistent within themselves but then at the same time they'll be like you can't do our rated batman you're like oh okay all right i'm gonna though yeah just watch me all right we know who here we come prostitutes or if the south park version of mickey mouse was now the let's roll that back because all i heard was prostitutes yeah i think we missed part of that all i heard was choking prostitutes did that the recent reboot be catered specifically to them as adults with scrooge mcduck like snoring it was really good people wouldn't have an issue with the new stuff by the way it's it's amazing to me well do they i don't know is duck tails is new stuff bad or good i have watched i mean i'm just saying for for new things that are really bad generally it's badness comes from somewhere and oftentimes it will be that they totally lost sight of what made the first one great but if it's really really good and it's new i doubt people will really complain they will appreciate it for doing something different but well it all comes back to quality but this um this highlights again i think his major issue the difference between r rated or at least the venn diagram that is r rated and mature content they're not synonymous and they're also not exclusive there's a there's a cross section and so when he says duck tails but adult he immediately goes to like snorting cocaine and like shooting people down to carnage it's like when i when i was almost being kind of serious a little bit back there about the winning the poo thing how do you do it without appealing to those sorts of things like what if e or is legitimately considering killing himself and there's a story about that that would be pretty mature and you don't actually have to have anything explicitly um you know aggressively violent or sexual right and someone could rate it and be like this is not suitable for children he's talking about whether or not it's with living like that we can't i'm sorry this has to be bumped to three pg-13 at least probably something like that you're out on that bridge a little bit more often lately just staring down of the water maybe someone should go talk to him and so um i think that's what i'm gonna go fuck kengis brains out i think that's what his mistake is he constantly assumes immediately with r rated that it's going to be the successive explosion of tits and violence that's that's always he's talking specifically about edginess and yet he keeps referring to r rated or mature which isn't the case wasn't it an intimate part of his argument that you should do it with your own characters like do it with no new characters this is what watchman did successfully like they didn't go back to the superman batman well that was the other i p oh yeah well it's in his video so but i'm just saying like you're right it seems when he comes out and he's when he's attacking the fans for not liking it isn't the fan argument really the same argument as his do it with your own characters don't fuck up luke skywalker like make new characters and do it with them you know fascinating to me fuck up your own shit the we he doesn't know he doesn't know that he's making the fans argument right now like even though he's already made it is the thing he somehow ends up in the worst of both worlds we usually argue on e-fap that you're allowed to change a characters like fundamentals if you adapt them in different medium and timeline and everything but if you're gonna continue them you have to respect how they've been established you can't just fucking walk all over it he's saying yes if they're in the same timeline you can try something new but if they're in the same ip you can't just like wait well that doesn't make any sense and yeah so i think this video is explained when you think about you're just a guy you don't like all the edgy superhero stuff coming out you think it's lame and you've concluded that logan though that's good so is deb pool so what's the problem um this isn't real his real argument is i don't like toxic white male fans yes really that's his cover i don't even brave enough to say it i think he just realized he didn't have an argument outside of the edgy thing she's almost subjective and so he was like fuck it let's just make this about protecting children that's good enough i guess people like kids i'll protect those children will appreciate my video wait this is a video that i put a warning at the beginning there's no suitable for children essentially yeah well parents watch this and they'll tell their kids about their video this video and how much that kid should like this video because it advocates for them there we go we did it kids should like the thing that i'm telling them they shouldn't watch or if the south park version of mickey maus was now the canonical modern disney version it might be hilarious yeah these fucking hilarious yeah maybe more realistic right yeah i mean at least it would be representative of what that creature is to see a violent challenging movie made for adults don't demand an r-rated batman movie go watch something like lin ramsey's you were never really here what the fuck he's talking about that movie what a weird that's what does that have to do if i want a superhero movie that is r-rated what the fuck am i gonna get out of this that is not because we saw this movie by the way it was fine it's like i liked it but like he's he's definitely gunning for like how this is what a superhero movie taken realistically would be like because you know he's like a fuck i've forgotten does he kill people for money in that movie i think it's yeah i think something like that i can't quite remember but this is like the unsuperhero with superhero movie you could get it's just it's a guy this is so not like i love the idea is like you want to see batman but done realistically go watch this completely different movie you're like yeah i i don't i don't know i that's not really what i was okay do you like batman you'll love marriage story maybe maybe it's a gamble but i don't know kind of like joker and it also has walkie and phoenix but it is why don't you just watch joker why why it's like it's kind of like joker you're like oh it was all right i guess i could just watch the r-rated superhero movie called joker that's how it gets categorized by the way i don't know that i would call it a superhero movie yeah they're they're definitely different they're both you know i would say i would suggest watching them both absolutely especially joker but yeah they're both they're both worth a watch definitely is much much better than joker look i have detail no well yeah joker is way better than you were never really there we always forget the name of it um joker has a toxic male fan base it's also supposed to mean it's supposed to be for killed children and now it's for adults they fucked it up what it almost feels like you threw that in there just for the just to dig a joker i guess but joker's phenomenal well joker's so good guys watch joker if you haven't seen it watch joker it's really good detailed my many issues and frustrations with the marvel cinematic universe but a key thing that those movies get accurate is that they understand who their core audience is oh do they the things that i like i don't think they do at all first of all yeah but also from his pov the most popular and most prolific like set of movies are all following the rules he's set and he's establishing like we're in trouble guys our rated movies and the superheroes are getting in the way it's like no they're not clearly the mcu is not gonna have an R rated film well maybe it will in future but look how far we've gotten without a single R rated one it's like don't you think your team is winning patrick i feel like it'll be definitely a very in an obvious way like its own thing it won't be like it won't be part of the mcu or it will not even really address the mcu stuff it'll be over at the side you know how like you're gonna need to see apparently you'll need to see one yeah that's what i was thinking what about deadpool well that's apparently getting moved into m yeah so okay so is that not mcu relating no not yet but relating to what we're actually saying right you have wander vision something that you would need to see i think in order to fully understand dr strange too that seems to be what's going to be happening because wander's already confirmed really main in it oh my god so that's that's a bit of a change it's like now you need to see tv shows to understand the main continuity of the mcu whoa okay you don't know what people say i'm out but like agency shield wasn't really recognized by the movies much at all um however now we're sort of changing it um but if they made an r rated film i feel like whatever continuity you needed to absorb that film and then going forward from it what you need from it to go back to the mcu it's probably going to be very little they're probably going to be like oh no it's just it's a small scale story that happens with this one character you can go watch it or you cannot it really doesn't matter but the the way they're selling winter soldier and captain model sorry captain captain falcon falcon he's just falcon i guess i don't fucking know captain falcon and then you got the low key series i imagine all three of those are going to have significant impact on the mcu films like meanwhile in our rated film in the mcu be it deadpool three for example probably won't still could depends on things move forward because the mcu is getting so big now that it can actually survive appealing to a very small audience with one of its movies right i'd say so so yeah um and would we all be against that it's like probably not guardians of the galaxy was supposed to appeal to a tiny audience and it was a huge like it was great yeah that yeah i don't know why they would think that though i was very surprised by well i'm just saying they didn't they obviously didn't know their audience like yeah i would agree you don't know the audience until you watch the movie because if you sat down and you went through all of the mcu movies their tone is for the most part consistent but who it's for they i think they're just shotgunning it yeah when it comes to this stuff because there are great movies and terrible movies and everything in between someone said you don't need to see one division to understand dr strange two so first of all neither of us can actually know that until dr strange two comes out but secondly i don't mean that you can't watch dr strange two without seeing what division in the same way you you could watch you know fucking i don't know avengers without seeing any of the movies before it you can like and you can follow the events relatively what i'm saying is the continuity of these tv shows is going to be very important overall but in our rated film they probably will try and avoid attaching it too hard but then again i wonder with deadpool because he's so loved that they might play with it a bit more i don't know they can't have references in an r-rated movie because there are people that won't be able to see that movie it's basically yeah i think that they will look out for that they'll be like we don't want to encourage them too hard like this is an offshoot it's for a specific sector the audience enjoy that sort of thing yeah we're just trying to side thing we're gonna have a lot of fun like if they do an r-rated movie i think they'll probably do something more lighthearted and like a comedy now i think they'll they're more likely to go the dare or the deadpool route than the logan route i feel oh yeah definitely yes saying as star wars or dr who or harry potter they take it seriously they make it appealing to all audiences but they never lose sight of the fact that's dr who's serious fucking yeah harry potter totally changed with its audience it went darker and darker and darker and darker that's like it just it stopped before it got you know real dark yeah if you watched the first film then the last one the tonal shift is fucking intense remember when dobby is harry potterby's movie nights that's one of the only things i remember about the later movies pornography um when hell the bottom carter throws a knife through a portal that hits dobby in the heart i was like jesus yeah fuck yeah alphailoons in in the the really bad wild beast movies doesn't the bad guy like kill a baby like a vatican diver's a baby i don't know i haven't seen it but yeah um that's pretty dark kill for a baby yeah i'll play it again but it seemed like he was advocating that you should do what harry potter did it's like what grow with the audience he should have just conjured up a plastic bag and give it to the baby and let things sort out oh no it's like a killing spell it's a little over the top he's just like you know what nature has its way and we're about to see it play yeah this is your test child so you'll survive take this plastic bag oh my god put their core audiences it's the same thing as star wars or doctor who or harry potter yep he's literally advocating that harry potter did it the correct way harry potter grew with its audience so that just destroyed everything you were talking about good job they take it seriously they make it appealing to all audiences but they never lose sight of the fact that from the start these have been adventure stories for kids so let's go back to alan more it always no matter what they were at the beginning i know that well we were essentially we've been over this at this point right yeah like it's i guess this is his victory lap now it's like i was right he really weren't you were contradictory and confusing and your friends made an embarrassing skit like they're having a contest with channel awesome to see who could have the most cringy embarrassing skits on youtube and you guys are made you guys are trying but you got to step up man channel awesome is the big leaf for cringe that and the way he also he keeps conflating made for children with made for all ages like the original star wars are not made for children it's just for all audience for kind of everybody yeah that's the thing that quote for george lucas is like i don't care those films to to argue it's so weird to be like yeah well you know what any film that can be whatever the lowest age can consume it is the target age you're just like of course not yeah like that's not really not even close right i mean they do that with all and he's he even said this earlier i don't know why he's going back on it because that was his point with bring up the pics are movies they're made for all audiences they are incredible so all ages uh mega mind all ages come on it's hugely different messages in those movies that transcend transcend childhood sort of audiences yes there's there's jokes in there that the parents are the only ones getting for sure past the very last line of watchmen i leave it entirely in your hands it's a message to the reader as well as two other comic book creators over those 12 issues more and dave gibbons had demonstrated what could be possible in comic books and the superhero genre they showed how they could be more challenging and experimental than we were used to and here at the end is an almost fourth wall breaking message to carry this forward to keep innovating and evolving innovating and evolving but not in the ways that i don't think you should uh yeah this is exactly this entire argument the whole video again you can have like that that stupid win of the poo example like if i if i make one that doesn't have any exclusive nudity any exclusive violence but it still gets all rated because of the subject matter would he be like nope you fucked up i'd be like why because it shouldn't be already it's such an arbitrary complaint and they do that movie i think it's called ted that already is probably not i mean it's pretty much chrysopher robin with a bad mouth bear right it doesn't count unless it's all rated okay there might have even been sex in that movie oh my god i think it does try to masturbate uh what's his name the football player yeah no it's not even original mawler that movie's been made the r rated winning i'm gonna be honest with you what i envisioned for my r rated winning the poo wasn't quite ted but i see the connection oh yeah this is gonna be the the 100 acre wood chronicles here wall breaking message to carry this forward to keep innovating and evolving and instead the only message people seem to take from it is that it's cool when superheroes are dark and violent that's the only message you took oh my god because superheroes can be dark and violent in cool ways and very uncool ways yeah yeah didn't we had no meta because it's like it's what he's taken from what people seem to like about it when it's like there's a lot more to it than that patrick yeah he's trying to read all right go ahead he didn't most people criticize the zaks niner movies like they weren't yeah i remember them being well loved we're in the middle of our dceu arc on ifa this is a departure shortly from going back to it yes they get a lot of criticism so but but he's acting like oh there's all this legion of fans out there demanding that all superhero movies be like zaks niner movies and what is he talking about this movie batman versus superman was kind of ridiculous no yeah yeah it might take so why it was so good it i didn't just your take did i did i just a lot of people have that i just ruined your game all i'm i'm sorry it's such a favorite movie of mine when batman fired his fought gas at superman and then chose to just sort of play with him until he got stronger again i was just like this is such a smart batman it's under some fortune i can't tell you're serious but he hit him with a toilet that was the best part it wasn't a toilet it was a sink you fuck yeah it's symbolic because the movie is shit god misrepresenting movies like that i can't handle it total strong man zaks niner the toilet themes are fairly strong and present batman versus superman and what's what's weird is that we're going through them in chronological order in universe batman versus superman is the best so far i thought the man of steel was out of this fucking world bad i couldn't i couldn't believe it it's uh the more we talked about it the more it fell the fuck apart but bbs hi you know you look at a dilapidated building and you're like well it's better than rubble right i guess i guess so look at standing yeah you could probably stand under it and most of the rain wouldn't hit you right not during an earthquake though oh don't risk that creating new stories and characters that went in new directions they just made batman comics grimmer as more himself said it was meant to be something that would liberate comics instead it became this massive stumbling block that comics can't even really seem to get around to this day i guess this guy must be right because he said it yeah why did you bring it well what's up with these quotes they're really strange but they're terrible this this comes off is so pretentious it's like almore made a deconstruction of superhero comics that was that was widely popular so everyone tries to copy it he's like no i wanted everyone to go back to making comics for children why was my work so good i know yeah that's definitely that's his pov he thinks he's gotten all grim dark and gritty and less since he did his one he's like i wish it goes back to all the but it's like we have plenty the fucking tick man the tick is a show that came out it gets adapted regularly it's just like this it's a show that entirely goes like harkens back to a time like that there's still content out there people like edgy stuff there's the i don't even know what i'm appealing to anymore other than yes there's a market for all the types of superhero stuff you can go and find it you'll be okay pat on your head well yeah and this is all from morris perspective this is all kind of straw manning second hand because according to his interview he hasn't seen a superhero movie since the very first timberton batman movie so he doesn't even know like what he's talking about he doesn't own a vcr a dvd player he's a crazy person living under a bridge he would be the kind of person that would be like i don't want to watch the new whatever he has a telegraph and then you're like you could get look i'll just show you i'll give you a copy and he's like he wouldn't even reference vhs who probably saw that older yeah like you could you translate an avengers movie in morse code like that was the original telecommunication device okay i'm curious i want to show alan more one superhero movie what would it be to change his mind i don't so already i'd be like we're over he's not gonna like any of them anyway um well what about like the silly childish ones oh like a batman he might like like if we were gonna he might like a like a batman and robin that's very silly you know and whimsical i would yeah so the fact that he hasn't seen that because that's obviously after um 89 i would love to see what he has to say about batman and robin mm-hmm because that movie is absolutely what he's talking about having been lost the movie is fucking crazy nonsense but it's all very much like we beat the bad guys and we saved the good people who hooray we cured the disease someone said Thor Ragnarok again i feel like anything in the mcu is going to piss him off he seems that he's like what this is good i don't like it's so he'd be very a lot of disapproval maybe he'll surprise us he watches captain marvel he's like all right this is pretty good we'll be like oh no oh my goodness gracious you really are howling more howling please yeah i don't know this feels like grandpa's regret i wish i would have made this not watch him it's just that man robin is 3.8 on imdb i should be the problem is that's about 6.2 too low yeah it should it should be a 380 out of 10 that's what it should be they've their original innocence and they can't get that back yeah they can what do you mean realize that every single person who reads comics is like a whole new capsule for context not to mention you can just it'd be like alan why don't you just make one just make a new new character and they're entirely altruistic and proud of their niceness go ahead i guess he's saying like the atmosphere of comics is permanently ruined but at that point i'd just be like oh that just i would agree but anyway same reasons right sure but like at the same time alan more's just the guy who did it first someone else would have made that story like hey what about if heroes wouldn't the people that we look up to are more realistic or maybe they weren't as idolized or yeah they are flawed well after watchmen i mean you had that justice league cartoon come out which was not edgy at all it was you know a broad audience appeal for that we've had so much comic book stuff come out after watchmen that's not just edgelord stuff stuff in this kind of depressive ghetto of grimness and psychosis they're not though grimness and psychosis maybe if you watch them you'd know that you were wrong the thing i like about thor ragnarok is how dark and gritty it is depressive ghetto of grimness that comes to piss off ghost the part when he melts the guy with the stick i'm just like how about that guy yeah when he was in like a movie sadistically took pleasure in him melting him with this melty stick oh it's so stupid we've got such a wide variety of superhero content to choose from right now and it's just this this video is like dooming about something that's not even true it's like back in the day when westerns were very popular so everything would be a western but all the different westerns would have their own different genres they'd all cover a million different topics and that's what superheroes are right now yeah i guess people like when will it die it's like i don't know never it will never stop seems like a genre that can be like in anything and everything so it might take some time to kill it to be honest with you i would have been the author of that regrettable trend and that's still happening right now this demand for r-rated superhero movies is a result of the same oh no a woman who is wounded you're like i can't believe that something that causes all these dudes to throw fits online oh no is this me dudes all these dudes women love it dudes yeah you don't find any girls complaining about stalls do you none whatsoever nope no no no never anytime dcr marvel dares to publish a comic for middle school girls oh my god god them high is so shit don't use that as an example got them high is fucking trash we read through it would say log boat is a disaster god it's not made for you rags okay it wasn't made for anyone it was made to be studied it was made for like softcore porn for the authorists oh no i love that honestly this is evidence of like yeah you you know these are the things we should be celebrated yet they get shouted out by angry white men just like patrick it's really bad okay got them high is not what you want to be using to defend anything you've lost this is the concession that you've lost and you should give up and go home you're always home but just give up or like a wonder of her by robin eisenberg oh my god look at that she's purple and hideous oh my god why are you doing this no those are the things you should celebrate rags wait no one should celebrate that yeah but so the wonder woman covers a complete change of the way wonder woman has been depicted for all of her existence but that's good well this is the thing i don't even know what we're talking about right now we're talking about whether or not you should react in a particular way it's like of course people gonna react the way they did to the wonder woman thing why would they not it's a complete departure and he's like that's the celebrated sort of deviations oh that's why tlg is amazing except that sometimes something just isn't made for them oh you mean like all rated superhero movies aren't made yeah it's not made for you patrick you just need to get over that it's not made for you god i'm telling you man all these dudes in their turtlenecks on the internet bitching things aren't made for them oh my goodness really sick of it the selva with us damn he's never had any but now he has less than than none of it he normally has i'm a 33 year old straight white male you're 33 i would not have thought you were like 40 yeah 33 holy shit also can i just say someone telling me i'm a 33 year old straight white male i feel like i don't care about any of that can you yeah why did you tell me any of that okay well it's a good indicator to ignore everything they're about to say wow yeah yes oh yeah that's right i'm not supposed to listen uh i'm not supposed to listen to that that's that's that someone feels the need to make that clear you're like oh i'll just leave yeah if anyone specifies with as a as a sexuality race gender whatever thing i'm already tuned out you're talking to yourself at that point isn't made for them maybe he's looking for a girlfriend maybe that's why he's like i am i am straight i am a straight white male reach out to me my tenders i'm sorry i couldn't help myself you can't put that on live television you can't but it is really good thank you for the person who made the the winnie the june and remember thank you we're on the side of winnie the jew okay we want him to make it through yes we want him to succeed in whatever it is he's doing yes that's okay i give you guys as as the jew i give you guys your jew pass hey oh we got the j word pass the j pass yeah excellent yeah i'm a 33 year old straight white male who likes nerdy shit had to play again the majority of media these days especially comic books and comic book adaptations is aimed directly at me what no things should be good regardless of who they're aimed for i also thought you're like mad that it's not doing what you want it to do in this whole video yeah he's not very consistent on that he doesn't really know what he wants his mind is constantly changing and he's trying to keep up all right and just one thing before you go so i just want the idea that he just said straight white males all get get satisfied from one particular thing that seems a little um racist racist oh just a little bit that's what i was gonna say is that like and he's totally wrong because the whole the edgy superhero stuff is not aimed at 33 year olds same debt like 17 year olds 18 year olds or even younger it's even like like if i was 14 i'd be like yeah any shit you take i also agree f batman i can't say that word yeah but yeah i don't i don't think there's a bunch of 33 year old guys like yeah fuck batman you have pound his face into the glass like grab like 50 they have to be these things a wizard sorts it out okay 50 straight white males all from from the efab community and then they have to give a thumb up or thumb down per mcu movie i guarantee you the results are going to be all over the place it's gonna be like wait oh this seems oh this one was like a bit content oh no this one it's like wait you guys are all supposed to like this stuff what you doing i thought all white males went to the white male meetings on wednesdays and they rated new movies as a block they moved to the states as a jew i'm not allowed so you know i just have to look at you're close enough there's a bouncer at the door like your your lights again and you have money it's fine they're like are you i don't know oh my god oh my god and that's look i don't need it all i want new generations oh my god oh my god that's so magnanimous of you oh yeah it's very kind of you this is insane let me share let me share with you he's made this argument or he kept playing authors saying we need to go back to the way comics were which was primarily for young white audiences and now he's making the opposite argument which is oh now it has to be for like the multicultural generation of today it's gotta be for everyone hey people aren't people aren't buying them but you know that yeah well said you know why they're not buying them because it appeals strictly to white straight males that's why yeah let's ruin the whole thing yeah they're they're mad because now that they're making new will comic books and they're not appealing to anyone instead of saying well maybe we need to make comics appeal to other people they say no no no it's the audience is fault let's just get mad at our audience and berate them fuck you audience enjoy stuff that i want you to yeah rape me say it's the face that sells it for me yes definitely it's great the michael keaton phase i remember that one good shit get in kids what you don't like candy where are the children going stuff the same way i did and who the fuck are we kidding the stuff made for kids like batman the animated series it totally rules so why would anyone act like that's a bad thing nobody is no yeah but literally nobody is i'm so confused he just points to this pile of straw on the floor and he's like you everyone why are you saying this like what are you talking to at please did we do it okay so i watched the video and pretty gritty huh did you guys actually read the script mine smelled bad so look this isn't what i had in mind but i've got to say it's not bad i mean i guess i'm just a sucker for googly eyes like look at those things i don't get this yeah i'm so like i don't get it i i don't even know what the point is that they're oh i don't know maybe my brain's just more i guess in the in the narrative they're the editors and he told them to to make the video grittier they added a cartoon character called gritty because they misunderstood and now he's like it's the point that they didn't do the thing that he wanted being gritty instead they made it sillier and it turns out you enjoyed it more yeah he's like you know i actually like that silly was the point the whole time i think that's what he's going for it's i'm deliberately like the room gritty is the friends we made along the way absolutely it's your fake laughter here well i mean we know it is because it's scripted but yeah you know you could um what what what's happening here yeah i don't know i think you had a backwards rags i think the promise our brains aren't mush so we can't oh you're right it's not they're not mushed enough we're still we're still too we're too we still got the chunky brain that's how you know when you still feel something your brain is not mush yet we gotta get there all right at the end of fight club when you understood why all the splices were in the movie it made sense you were like oh i get it right now i feel like oh i don't get any of this what's going on it's about as coherent as i think one thing that's really clear in this whole discussion is that just putting a lot of edgy adult content in a story does not make it good edgy and adult you can't put those two together it's barely no now it's bad on purpose he's saying it's supposed to be confusing he also just said edgy adult content is like oh no it's important the difference between those two things that's like the big problem with this whole video the fucking difference oh yeah edgy from mature audience are for all ages the fundamental story that you're telling has to be engaging and exciting so if you want to get better oh it's an ad okay you should check out the class writing suspense how to write stories oh my god writing suspense how to write stories that thrill in any genre what do i accept the superhero genre yeah we don't want those no look at the developing characters and emotion it's probably good to get emotion in there yeah using emotional resonance oh man oh wow yeah our these videos are normally supposed to tell you like where it works in this movie and where it doesn't work in this other movie and you know how to how to do it successfully what i've always found amusing about these sort of ads is that like there are channels like just right who would claim that this is what they're doing on youtube and they're like please check out my sponsor that does a thing that i said that i'm doing anyway you're like wait what i thought you were telling me how to do a good story writing why am i having to go here now hope that for the next level oh god the resolution no on skill share it's taught by benjamin percy who is currently writing x-force and wolverine for marvel two series that i gotta say i am really enjoying right now i don't even know if they're real they could just be cobbled cutouts series that i gotta say i am really enjoying right now that class is available on skill share along with thousands of others not just about writing but about filmmaking and music and cooking and look the list it goes on i was actually sourdough starter yeah boy oh yes i'm gonna watch this skill share video on sourdough bro oh dude they give you like a you're at a beginner level and then once you complete all of the videos and pay them all the money they'll they'll say you're a you're an expert you're an expert you're going clear this is like blinkest well you gotta get them dopamine hits don't you yeah i'm an expert i'm closer to the red flag now wait that should send up some red flags i was going to say why would you have to go be the red flag that's kind of strange yeah you said talk about visual language well yeah yeah the communist flag and become a communist daddy's get away from the end here full communist away from the money right now the first thousand people that sign up at the oh the first thousand get a special thing wow what is it i was just gonna have to let us discount who link in the description right down there we'll get a free trial of a skill share premium membership hey patrick does skill share have the answer on how to do batman all rated correctly is there a way answer that question i'm signing up let's watch that yeah let's do it let's learn so if you got a free time coming up over the holidays you should sign up now improve your writing skills and then improve like but it didn't work for you so why should i what are you saying patrick improve my skills there's no such thing everybody is just what they are patrick and that is just right great comic books so that i can read them please do it for me we did it okay all right well that was that what a waste of 41 minutes yeah let's look at the longest video at least singular i think that he's done and it's the most bloated easily like there's so much to cut out he it's like a very muddled confused point that could have been said in like 20 seconds his main issue is with edginess he doesn't like it when they get all edgy like okay i mean i kind of agree well we did it well the funny thing about it is like do you think destroy them right in them adult he doesn't like that either you be like do you think that um there's ever a time to be edgy like like you know deliberately i'd be like i actually you know what yeah there probably is times where i i would like people to indulge a little heavily into like the stupid or whatever it was like yeah it's hard to make a ruling on this but of course if his only point was i don't like it i just be like yeah that's fair i guess yeah but if he just said i don't like edgy stuff he couldn't tie that into attacking you know the white male audience so he has to figure out something i know you gotta find a way and he did patrick finds a way a legend you see among men um yeah that took us five hours oh wow plenty of time flies when you're pat when you're hanging out with your friends that does end a little different i'm like oh um yeah i think we'll probably get into super chats now but of course huh adam and sitch if if you guys are a little like need to head out head off or do anything it's completely you're gonna stay oh my god adam's gonna say i have to go actually but you have to go sit i do really it's actually really where i'm on a date what's it it is saturday the to rags his mom's house obviously oh my god oh what's happening over there oh you know nice nice lobster dinner you know Netflix and show that the word oh dang that lobster they didn't invite me damn i mean if you want i guess we can go we can go sample my mom's lobster tail together is that we you're applying Netflix and chill with my mom uh do you want to do want to tell chat where they can find you on your individual channel not even taking the time to promote anything else just your channel sitch what are you up to what are you doing oh god i haven't made a video for so long so awful i feel terrible meme on the show when is sitz gonna do a real main channel video oh my god he's like me yes i didn't want to say it i'm glad you said it i know you're a good company but yeah psa sitz youtube uh psa sitz on daily for me and ham streams every sunday tomorrow maybe maybe uh rags and muller will be on tomorrow who knows who knows yeah yes well maybe we'll have a chat about it that's exciting stuff anyway oh thanks for having me absolutely we'll catch you around say peace take care man i didn't know you guys could be separated that's pretty cool hey i don't want to make it weird people say that about us yeah yeah i don't want to be the third viewer guys like if you guys want to do this privately you let me know but i'm i'm down to stick around we absolutely okay you know what some of the students might even address you how crazy would that be i hope they address sitz and i get to answer for him because then i can just make shit up it'll be great we kind of misinformation on e-fab what the fuck we'll get fired by our overlords all right then come on you gotta do our mill running i suppose i suppose i will allow whatever it is you're planning to say how do people see this free back candy me this back candy me uh yeah the meme of the in the discord uh somebody did a meme the uh white van mobile oh yeah the one the rags posted or someone else yes the rags post oh i put that on screen don't worry okay everyone saw it it was wonderful magical yes all right then starting the day off with finally my day can start thanks e-fab also a team is supreme team oh my god i'm so glad i stayed i am so glad i see you a fan of a team well there's a two factions of our show there's the a team in the s-class oh yeah i know i'm aware of this yeah okay so you know so we make we make fun of that in the comic book as well so i couldn't do let's say i'm i'm happily married you guys i'm not sure if you know that so i can't necessarily do the sexy cover that we did for s-class yeah well well you know now it's not a secret yeah there you go i think that's excellent i'm very glad for you but a team reign supreme i like it thank you thank you uh super chatter who was that we also go s-class best class in chat so oh we don't like that guy oh no i don't know which side to take um have you been put has this question been put to you is whether or not you're a team or s-class what what is what is the big question how do you choose between them what is the difficulty in the choice adan paladin is s-class sargon of a cod is a team i'm trying to think if anyone else has been i thought s was a force a in like rankings anyway and like isn't it like japanese yeah it is yeah because they had to make up some bullshit because nothing's better than a a team is the underdog but people like underdogs let's face it people people love underdogs okay i've been called an underdog in certain ways i will i will be on the a team they're good oh nice rags is a team i love it i can't wait for you mauler you don't have to take a position you can take the enlightening i'm kind of chill with both of these teams you know i'm cool with them i like them i'll hang out with the people from both of them there you go you know i've never engaged in these sort of team battles of things have i rise it's always been so and i'm against nope never pick a side on the audience what do you do when the audience i mean it's like an audience meme the audience kind of came out we we reserve the right to ignore the fuck out of our audience whenever we feel it's necessary they get upset for us for all kinds of things this one they'll get over quickly i think all good will be fine um efap vtuber debut when give it a few years and perhaps we will evolve to the level of vtuber and we can't have any guests on unless they're also vtubers that is going to be tough yeah you know you better get on it adam i want to see a vtuber version of you i just turned my camera on like can i just be me and it's like no that's disgusting sorry i'm sorry i'm sorry i wouldn't want to do i wouldn't want to disgust you guys watching your hot fuzz video with critical drinker easily my favorite comedy of all time with montipython on the holy grail behind it as a close second yeah i mean there's some good fucking choices yeah there's a lot of fun in that conversation you got we got we managed to cover a whole bunch i think hot fuzz is very good i recommend it to all even people who don't like hot fuzz was my uh hot fuzz was my stripper name you know oh yeah yeah yep that's pretty good uh rlm gave the vast of night high praise what is the vast of night i don't think we've seen that i've heard of that just second um oh i know yeah this was a it's like a alien kind of movie it's kind of in the 50s but i've heard it's uh yeah i've heard it's a pretty good thing i remember the coverage of that yeah um well yeah i remember it was part of it was one of like a bunch that they did i think i mean yeah i haven't seen it so i don't know if it's any good or not but you know yeah seems interesting sounds interesting could be cool um efap only fans when how bummed were you how bummed were you that edgar right was didn't complete the ant man movie oh pretty bummed out i think it would have been pretty awesome if not only that he did that but he also managed to become sort of you know further entwined in the mcu maybe takes a couple of other movies you know i'm a big fan of his direction so it would have been fun but hey what can you do complain on the internet yes no one can stop us um sit streaming with known leftist molar again oh yeah now i'm i'm the known leftist that wasn't on the exchange it was like molar is a known leftist because of his connection to jx that it was like but he is co-host is rags do you know rags is a rags is a known leftist it's already said i thought he said that about me he said that about you jesus christ that's amazing all right well yeah i think that's why it stuck in my memory yeah because it's so absurdly funny that i'm the known leftist of you as oh you want good tips or no bullshit uh adam uh no bullshit dm'd me when you guys were ripping on one of his videos saying oh my god and i was like i listened in for a few minutes and what you guys were saying was not that bad sitz was actually the funniest thing was sitz was on so so sitz was kind of partaking and i think that's why he dm'd me he was like your friend he's ripping on me on the internet yeah because no bullshit's a fucking crazy wound lots of really stupid things fucking nuts i did a live stream with him on the on the white nationalist stuff so but i we i don't think we it seemed like we were talking past each other i don't think we made any headway but right now i would say no bullshit hates my guts so oh well it's not apparently he's he's a he's not what i'd call a good faith actor he's a weird one really i always question that i i'm too i'm too based on what he said to me in like private like absolutely i i would call him what we call a a not good person you probably probably shouldn't say it but i wish you would that he's not a good person i don't know what he said private come on come on now come on the breach shows i keep it keep my dms private yeah yes uh yeah no i i see i think his channel got demonetized and i don't know if he's even still making videos to be honest he asked um he asked trump to help him out right he sent a tweet to trump asking him for if he could give him some money yeah trump wouldn't give him money i don't be a fucking loon it just it was amazing to be like you put out a tweet to trump be like i'm i've started a family and i've been demonetized could you help me out it's like what the fuck maybe you should get a job you fat fuck i just imagine that worked everyone we've tweeted trump at that point trump trump saved my struggling youtube channel uh yeah as for when we'll do um and only fans not sure yet you guys you guys make the distinction between leftist as communist or leftist as someone on the left of the political spectrum oh i always say when i say leftist that means a someone on the far left to me so basically like a socialist communist we're on the same page then just clear it's good to know generally what most people mean when they say leftist as far as seems to be yeah some people don't know what they're talking about when they say left they just think anyone who's they think leftist means you know joe biden he's a democrat of course he's leftist yeah weird he's a senile old crazy man who's who's been kidnapped by the democratic party and they won't let him go when he wants to just frolic and parades or some shit i'm waiting for the ankle uh band a picture of the ankle no he's just some there's no and he's just an old racist boomer and he wants to be elsewhere oh man or biden or biden he seems like a friendly man except for the all the weird stuff probably as long as i'm not like a little girl probably doesn't yeah he does like the sniffing thing it's real weird yeah he does that weird fucking gropey sniffy shit that's fucking bizarre and creepy but however in biden's defense trump did say something 10 years ago that was kind of may have you shouldn't grab women by the proceed to throw them places okay that's why i shouldn't refer to yeah you should refer to what limit women want you to do to them 10 years later yeah don't don't let everyone don't tell someone else what women would let you do theoretically that is very you should grab them on you should just grab them and sniff them what sad is they fired the guy that he was just talking to i think they fired billy bush from his job you can't eat crazy at this sin the heresy you were just spoken to he could have the whole time and think oh my god this guy's crazy why doesn't he shut his fucking mouth he could have been thinking that yet he still gets fired well he could have been interested he could have been like oh yeah do thank you grab me by the pussy life is weird these days for sure yeah um this one is the the words i guess you could say like leftist versus alt right is that like the the equivalent back and forth there or is that two i don't know it's hard to keep track so there's a way maybe um there's way more leftist than alt right the words of yeah the words are very um loose a lot of the time in terms of what is that because like is leftist and lefty the same thing i don't know it's kind of you don't know how many i think of alt right is ethno nationalist and i you know i think that's what you have to be yeah i think you have to be a white supremacist to want to be or at least an eth i'll say ethno nationalist um because that's really weird gray areas um but yeah i'd say you have to be an ethno nationalist to be considered alt right that would be the one thing i'd agree with you you can't say that they're not the same don't equivocate and call it a day no no no no no just you see the overton window and then the amount of space you go left or right i'm i'm interested in where the you know the labels come in in terms of uh you know how it goes all that's down the oh the being full on communist though is inside the overton window now because you can go on twitter right now put i'm a communist in my uh twitter vial and you'll get all kinds of backpats and stuff like that so you can't say that that's how the overton window times have changed i remember yeah i mean we we already made a couple of references this stream just like the well i cover what patrick said though several people in channel like communist like oh no fuck i should be playing on the hot difficulties i simply can't handle it someone's asking is rags a dogo nationalist no uh we're man's best friend you pee i don't know you people wouldn't be able to get along without us we'd never want to abandon you we'd never do that we'd never make it a no we'd never do that we love our dogs we do oh wait what we love it when they die for us dude i am led i mean half the dogo gets the zombie off him but dies for it there's a lot of movies with dogs die actually oh i know yeah bad ones there's uh their emotional value you guys were talking about the baby thing and i was thinking train spotting is such an amazing move well have you seen the movie train spotting uh no oh okay so then you don't know well there's a baby in it i might watch yes yes but it's the movie's hilarious it's it's basically a comedy baby yeah but that's part is so bad like every time i watch a movie i forget that it's in there and then i'm like oh my god why did they do this dogs are pretty tasty oh my god chat arm yourselves yeah we'll be in dogs stop stop um let it be known that today was the day i finally officially got good at mortow also play mortow good schism um you recommend mortow right rags yeah i do i really enjoy mortow quite a bit i've got like how many hours do i have on that seven hundred and forty one wow i like it a lot mortow is great not even a thousand mola why do you hate i'm at three so much high rags hi um my i'm at three's got really shitty writing it introduces ptsd to tony stock which is incredibly important then it makes a joke out of it several times um fucking wastes its villain like bankingsley's mandalorian could fuck me man mandarin it could have been uh excellent but then they're just like lull he's an actor i'm not even sure how that was something that they got away with there's lots of really bad writing that movie as well as tonal shifts it's it's absolutely and quint essentially a shane black movie um i would probably do a video on it at some point i'm not a fan of iamand three totally agree um chinese joker says it's simple we eat the batman oh my god that was before we even got edgy in this stream champion miles ahead of us uh wicking out in a parking lot with 32 degree weather and light rain in south texas it ain't supposed to be cold around these parts but hey i got efab i was trying to pick up that yeah i don't warm you up oh yeah if you're in the middle of the antarctic uninhabitable by the way then as long as you've got a device that can access efab we will keep you warm the darkest of times and the code um hello mola hello rags and others hi more if you're looking for a fun co-op game you should try magica or hell divers both are good to them hell divers is great i really like hell divers i remember magica isn't there a magica too i think that happened i do not know if there's a second magica um i remember it vaguely but yeah um you know maybe maybe in future this just says why i don't know if we killed someone at that point on the stream possible is that wario it feels like a wario sort of thing yeah why is it wario or wario like mario mario because mario over here everyone says mario i think you're allowed to say both right it's also wario people will allow you to say both it'll be nice about it it'll be they'll just be like oh that's what you say all right yeah fuck you guys i got the triple mario screw attack mario mario mario happy are these super chat are you reading super chats are you just reading the chat these are super chats oh okay happy birthday raggleton hi and uh happy birthday to me is how is that happy birthday back uh no not happy birthday to you thank you though very much thank you hi mola hello hail nude leoski nude leoski all right and uh high panel oof you got high panel adam how do you feel i know jeez i have a name okay dehumanizing here you know where dehumanizing leads guys nazis it's not good it's not good i'm telling you don't dehumanize the nazis because then you'll get taken out by the nazis yes um hot fuzz is such a great movie i would choose point break first i'm a guessing out of point break and bad boys too was the was what was brought up and i think that's fair um but yeah my break is great what is hitler's favorite e-fap episode 84 i would say oh wow it's not 88 huh no no 84 is just it's really special the hitler it was it was such an awesome episode everyone always references it how much they love it what what what did you watch in that one do you know oh you know it wasn't even when we watched something there was just a there was a debate but about a certain movie and uh people really it was just really fun people really liked it and i think hitler would have a lot of appreciation for it artistically i mean hitler always loved a good debate yeah the guns yes exactly the kind of debate you could never lose the kind of the beat the kind of debate that you get closer to winning the more firearms you on um thanks for making me aware of hillhouse one of the best shows i've watched shame about that ending now on to episode eight of bligh hope it ends better does it does do not you worry totally does but yeah glad you're enjoying them it's finally here i've asked for so long s class is best class well my heart thanks i'm on a team though my heart thanks yeah now he's insulting both of us right that's not fair how come s class gets no representation what's so bad about s class what'd they do well i'm not on it oh i thought there was more to it than that i thought this war had huge amounts of lore and everything even though it started yeah literally five minutes ago but still i'm upset yeah no oh well it's okay thoughts on boondock sates two go read bat batuk bat uke bat uke bat uke bat uke um i've not seen boondock sates is that a comic a batman comic bat uke bat uke now i have not seen the second boondock sates now i didn't even know there was one i guess i'm out of the loop on that one but um oh you know what the theme that's playing right now in this in this game is a fire emblem one um one of the e5 episodes got hit with a copyright for this tune and at first i was like oh is this just one that nintendo is like not cool with people using i guess huh turns out it was from a channel i sent it to metal i was laughing my ass off it's from this guy who sang a cover of the song and it's like he's like it's terrible and he's got copyright shit going out to people who have similar like as if people are repurposing his cover and he can grab stuff oh i've had that issue i've had some issues kind of like that before where people have taken other people's music without credit but they put theirs on the content id systems fucking crazy and i had to reach out to the original person to let them know that someone was using their stuff without permission and then content iding it for them the whole system's a fucking shit show yes i was like i saw it i was like you gotta be fucking kidding me i put a counterclaim and then apparently the guy gave up so i was like okay that's good but like what the hell who do you think is stealing your cover had like 10 000 views or maybe even 1000 i remember being like what the fuck it's a weird world we live in that's what i have to say um from efab 72 the mando season one episodes one through five stream past gi j j i j says hi mr wags hey hi hey hey sometimes he leaves you in suspense um i guess that's a message to that guy from the past to the future in terms of that's where he's at right now he's catching up on the efab systems um have you all heard about jenna and disney yeah so i have yes fucking shame what can you do um to be honest i don't know i mean she's gonna blow up over this i mean it's a shame that we live in a world where people can completely mischaracterize what you say and you can lose your job and all that well yeah i mean she's in a way better place when i read that um the the statement from Lucasfilm was like she denigrated an entire culture and religion i was like oh my god what did she do and i looked at the tweet yeah i was like what did she actually say yeah it's yeah it's quite quite the read of what she said quite the fucking oh i know fake news all the way amazing and yeah and it sucks because like as much as once upon a time we could say stuff like oh whatever it's a bunch of people shitting on you oh whatever it's if you get banned from twitter who can oh whatever you lose your job you're like um yeah i don't think we can oh whatever whatever yeah next next stop cyberia what's the thing man you get it's like if they agree with each other and you get banned from every platform and then people don't hire you it's like oh good and then someone's like yeah you deserve this you're like oh oh those people oh man mm-hmm yeah that sucks but uh you know i at this point is uh you should expect it more more probably i guess when in the in the video when he was talking about sadistic violence that's exactly what i was thinking about i was thinking about all the people on twitter that are like fucking i want to get a car out of the thigh it's like yeah it's oh yeah they get raven oh my god she should die she should be locked up forever take it you know there's violent right wingers i know yeah oh it's crazy uh sitch adam and noderotic my favorite streamers yeah it was a interesting lineup today i reckon it's pretty neat having you all yeah crossing of a couple of worlds what's pretty neat is like you got the the friday night tides efab and adam and sitch stream all crossing over at once in a way craziness we should we should do more movie stuff we really should because i have a like a writing background and and sitch wants to be a writer i mean he's okay but he's okay sitch and i were actually a great writing team on the comic because he like he just has this wealth of ideas and so much of writing is rewrite this stop me if this is boring because no go right you guys are probably a million times you know writing is rewriting but the hardest thing for me as a writer is is you know getting that first chunk of pages that you're going to rewrite and sitch just sat down and was like here's 75 pages i'm like holy shit that's this is going to be like a 300 page comic sitch we have to dial it back a bit so well we're still we're still editing it down but yeah i mean we're very big on redrafting over here so good stuff get get all the best do you redraft i go a bit nuts with redrafting yes i redraft a lot okay yeah so then you know i'm that's why i'm saying yeah you know anybody who spends any time writing knows it's all about like letting yourself vomit out a bunch of garbage and then editing it down to like the best stuff yeah man like um especially when you read back your own stuff after you separate yourself a little bit from it even with even like a day you can you can look at it differently than one you did when you wrote it it helps you definitely it's like having to use talking about it at the same time yeah sometimes you're like what was i thinking and it's funny you when you write it down you think oh my god that was so good i can't wait to go back and read it you were like what was i thinking this is this is terrible yes that happens on live days as well on live streams sometimes you'll you'll think oh man i was terrible on that live stream with no bs i'll never be able to live it down and then you go back and listen to anything ah nah i was fine yeah well i think there's totally like a um a sort of allowance you'll give to a live stream especially with like a stream of thoughts versus a redrafted this is the thing you have like someone in a video makes this clearly insane statement and then someone implies something similar to the statement casually in a live stream i'm like those are two different scenarios like completely yeah totally different the thing is though i don't this guy sat down and scripted out this video how did he say all this completely bonkers garbage after writing it down like and rewriting it seven nobody stepped in and said listen this is ridiculous his point was very confused throughout like it's the video screamed like it needed redrafting like crazy he he he felt like he was happy once he had the alan more quotes in there he's probably like well my work is done and alamos kept taking care of don't you whenever i'm scripting a video or a story or anything like that i generally well no not generally i always start from the simplest version and then add complexity that make my argument it doesn't seem like he did that at all like what is the simple argument there this the simple version of his argument would have to be it's it was made for kids therefore it should never be for four adults exclusively that seems to be what he wants to say the the part coming in with all the proofs for all this obviously didn't really happen well i got yeah yeah that is simple but not at remotely profound i feel like that i feel like that video was like oh i stumbled upon these great alan more quotes how do i work these into a video how do i structure a complete video i use this for cred yeah because oh yeah the implicit element there is the alamo said it so you guys have to take it seriously it's like um really no we don't fuck alan more yeah i'll be fine i don't care yeah yeah weird stuff this is where you jump in with a super chat i i'm i'm doing it is uh is it a hot take to say civil war is one of the best superhero movies because i see lots of people saying it's not that's why i wait you'll break down yeah wrong people say that so superhero movies can be really hard to uh nail with all of the variables you're dealing with all these people with superpowers and stuff we think civil war does a really good job um especially with balancing not only all of those variables but trying to tell a story that tries to take account of a lot of the things that get partially ignored in a lot of superhero movies um without being dark and edgy as as patrick seems to take issue with you know it's it's the very rational sort of just like hey you guys could be doing a hell of a lot better and you're not and uh it's it's enough you've gone too far and i think that it's uh there's a really good job with every one of the characters in it and with how we tend to break things down oh we just think it scores pretty high in that regard not perfect um and a lot of people really do they really do hate it and they would probably argue that we have missed a lot of what the flaws are in the film while we would argue they have missed the details that would fill in the gaps they think exist that's pretty much the dichotomy that is okay but yeah i think civil war is very good what is do you guys have a favorite superhero movie yeah it would be civil war for me yeah that homecoming spider verse batman and robin yeah definitely what the guardians movies are really good yeah i really like that movie barb wire with pamela anderson that was the one i was thinking of yeah whatever happened to bob why why is he in the mcu you should be saying whatever happened to pamela anderson she's around somewhere doing something dragging those things everywhere she goes i don't know that i have a favorite is sin city is sin city a superhero movie i don't think so but i i guess the connection is comic book or graphic novel being adapted right because are they super people in sin city i don't think there are yeah i don't think there are i'm gonna go with sin city just to break the mold all right i think that's fair i remember liking that a whole bunch have you spoken about hbo's the last of a series yet with petro pascal as hitler i mean joel as hitler oh right of course because joel calls all of the bad things in the world i forgot my own law um yeah i i don't see how he's gonna be able to portray joel i don't know why they chose him outside of just he's favorable right now that's about it um i think there's a hell of a lot of people who could have done a closer joel i suppose but at the same time i'm willing to give him a shot i think he can be a really good actor so we'll have to see but i have very little hope in the last of us tv series being good yeah i doubt it uh rags haven't seen it the the news or the the um the game or the last of us tv series oh yeah it's not out yet but um oh okay i don't think i even have a trailer i think they're just announcing who's gonna be cast um but yeah um rags will your Mandalorian video be timestamped with the bits you edited while on efab also hi rags hi um what do you mean the time the end time is edited on efab that's what i was about to ask i don't really know what that means time temp with bits you edited while on efab i i i don't know what that means i don't edit while i'm on efab i was gonna say i feel like that would be pretty tough to do you can't do any audio editing yeah wow this can be tough to nail that one um you guys ever doing a dark night arc you keep alluding to the dark night being bad without elaborating if not any videos you recommend on it i have never alluded to the dark night being bad that's absurd no no that would be that would be crazy for someone to say something like that i mean it's so beloved and i mean there would be so so many people would be very upset if we watched the movie and came away with that as there would be a fucking absurd position to take nobody has that respect that's nuts that's crazy um i sense a bit of sarcasm in your voice there no none are you wow is the dark what is your real position on the dark night i it's great i feel like i might be among friends here oh it's good yeah it's great yeah that's when you are among friends you think it's great too right who wouldn't love it i totally love it there you go excellent so it's uh great you mean uh heath ledger's performance fantastic utterly gets very good door dropping like a stellar yeah i mean academy award we're talking costume is asleep right um i think i can't remember i think so yeah uh lord maila please remove these two enlightened centrists from our toxic sjw right-wing feminist podcast i'm sorry they slipped right on they just came in the back door one down one to go yeah i know we're getting there we're gonna remove adam soon enough uh jeez how many super chests do you have to catch up on i'm sure a lot of them are telling you dumbo's to play ddlc oh you should play it by the way ah very nicely i've heard that that's what i that that is what i've heard uh we we we've got i think one full e-faps with to catch up on and it's literally just the next time we're able to sort of sort out a good date to do it but um we're closer to catching up than ever all right so we're almost there uh mubes have you ever seen the movie artha christmas i think it's up there with hot fuzz in terms of the script even dug walker recommend uh it's a good movie well um i think i said it on i can't refuse the drink of stream actually or not but i mentioned that i i've definitely seen at least half of it i was in a room when it was playing and i remember liking it so that's all i can say perhaps i shall check it out and in a christmas to come who knows bonjour mr rags oh bonjour uh and sitian adam and everyone else have you massives watched kobra kai yet nope new of you adam i watched i watched a little bit of my wife watching kobra kai you watched her as she watched it okay just as i as i was walking by i noticed that she was watching kobra kai but i didn't i didn't indulge yeah i think i might have saw a first a bit of the first season but there's it's on the second season now right uh it's on the third isn't it or is it the only two i don't know i um i'm on a way because i haven't seen it but i everyone recommends it apparently it is very good and if there's anything i check out i like super violent movies though is there any decapitation in kobra kai what are you 14 might not be to my standards yeah yes yeah basically yeah holy white yeah i that too yeah i do like that implicit sort of straight what he said all of that is like yeah white straight people and they ripping heads off white people in their opinions enough we're genetically pre we're genetically predisposed to violence that's what he was saying in our movie yeah basically i know you're gonna say what's a race that's genetically predisposed to violence my mind goes straight to white you know the only thing that cures it is turtlenecks is that constant pressure around your neck like it's your conscience choking you you put a turtleneck on and suddenly no violence please don't be violent anymore i mean if they prove that white people like violence i'd be like all right whatever yeah i'll watch some fantasy violence it depends upon the context it totally depends on the context it's funny this would have been good to elaborate on in his video dude i feel like that's a topic he wants to avoid just because he doesn't seem like he he fluttered around a lot of points to avoid committing to anything particular because remember he opens a video saying i am not saying that these things shouldn't exist it's like you kind of were though that was the video yeah you were sort of you lied it was a lot of things in that video that he was not saying like the whole video was about what he was not saying yeah and they used a bunch of other people's quotes like hey this isn't me okay this is this guy have you guys seen the falcon winter soldier trailer i don't like where that's going because zemo said in the trailer that superheroes shouldn't exist yeah so that worries me um converting zemo from a man with a goal in terms of the avengers into a man who thinks superheroes as a whole of just bad people or something it's like yeah we never got that and it was specifically the avengers and specifically what they did yeah no issues with them beforehand you know before sycovia gonna be a problem for me if they make him they turn him into like a falon cartoon villain instead of um you know tragic sort of situation brought him to a position where he thought it was right and proper despite the people it could hurt sort of thing rather than now it's like ah fuck superheroes like i don't know that i got that from the world but you know i don't want to say not right before i see what they do with it so we'll see uh frog fact the largest water frog was 7.9 inches long it's a big fucking frog damn yeah cheese hi rags hey what is the efab cast favorite halo characters weapons and races i mean um i'm not too like i don't this is probably a question for rags and free like for me i just think the sanghi li are pretty cool but i bet a lot of people would say that um uh as far as character probably probably uh probably the arbiter and if i had to name a weapon that's my favorite um i really like gonna gonna tell you say an odd one here that most people probably might not say but i think my favorite weapon oh it depends on the games though um good if we had to say overall that's tough like you play the original halo even on like you know veteran and stuff and you could you you have a the plasma pistol and plasma rifle were dope and they were really good and i always carried him around um if i had to say overall that's fucking tough maybe the dmr i just kind of like it it just seems peppy and accurate and i've used it a whole bunch i mean to it in a way i'm sick of it because of halo reach is basically the dmr game but i really like it i like that um i like that dmr all right that's that's going to be my tentative um answer i just i just don't have anything interesting to say i don't remember it well enough to have preferences on those things halo's neat that's that's all i got and you know what i'm assuming adam has even less to say than i do sniper rifle there you go i just looked it up 10 sniper rifle sounds good although i do like tripmines if there's tripmines i'm all about the tripmines and halo three there's tripmines you could throw yeah those are like little landmines that get activated if you walk on them i don't know that i ever yeah i said veteran instead of heroic yeah it's i was just one thing in every second fake fan confirmed yeah uh but yeah if i say a second it might be the plasma pistol honestly plasma pistol is really good it's got a good primary and it's got that secondary fire we could charge it up but generally i wouldn't use that i would just especially in reach the plasma pistol i generally always pick it up because you could really quickly spam it to drain people's shields and then get that melee in up close and really fuck them up but yeah always pick up that plasma pistol it's good it's done there you go rags have you heard that the dnd sixth edition will add combat wheelchairs really wow very inclusive oh yeah give me one of your wheelchair and you're in combat you fucked up somewhere hmm but what if you're forced into it if you're what yeah forced into it some kind of horrible dystopia where they they force everyone into wheelchairs before entering battle like you were you were crippled in a battle but your infirmary is being assaulted by goblins and so you're still healing from your broken leg and you're in a wheelchair and you have to fight them off that's that's i'd imagine if you were in a wheelchair you went like a spear or a poleax something with range to it so you can keep him away from you because you're not going to have that mobility well isn't a mech suit kind of like a wheelchair so i mean a mech is just just a someone in heavy armor who's just also in a wheelchair is a medieval mech i need i'm just saying yeah you know the logic is sound would you rather have a single testicle the size of a softball or three testicles all the size of grapes hmm i'm gonna go for the single big one yeah soft i would take the grave i don't know it's like i don't want to try them out you know both of them i just want to see which one it feels better i'm not sure i think it'd be more comfortable you think it'd be more comfortable for the three oh a softball oh yeah that's right the softball the size part it's the big one yeah we have big as a softball they're pretty big you know how big a baseball is yeah you're bigger than that oh okay i'm gonna go with the three grapes i don't want to be i don't be like that's that seems like it could be uncomfortable i think i'd go with three grapes if the single ball was smaller than a softball i think it's the size that really mm-hmm yeah if you were gonna say a single larger ball or three smaller ones i would go with a single larger one but if the specificity of the question is that it's a softball then yeah i'm that's a bit much that would get in the way would not be comfy ah question what is your most hated tropes in the media for example the trope i hate is when character a lies to character b once or twice even when character a is making complete sense but character b will never listen because fuck you you lied to me that one time um do you mean like still like the boy cry wolf essentially but like obviously only they did it the ones yeah i mean happens um i don't know if it counts the trope just people being stupid for the sake of the plot is just so fucking common the idiot ball right that's what's cool the idiot ball is just basically if you someone if you're holding the idiot ball you're just a fucking idiot yeah and that's just the trope is this your jet that's just an idiot and that's probably my biggest issue when it comes to writing and stuff characters just being stupid there you go um i'm going to go and just to be uh edgy you don't like ninjas out no amnesia oh the trope isn't so it's in some really good movies but most of time it just bugs the fuck out of me it's like oh we're going this route again i'm trying to figure out who i am who am i well i think that's me nobody it's it's it's actually like frowned upon the most part right as a tropes like oh they got amnesia did they really useful though i know it's in some unamnesia at an appropriate place for the story yeah yeah that's usually the follow-up trope they'll it's like they remember everything now because they saw that photo and you're like okay uh well i'm dead already it's embarrassing i'm all do you think you'll ever have no bs on and also high rags hi no i would have amnesia i don't know how long you'd be audible in the sense of like we like we'd laugh at him a bunch i will i will talk to him about whatever he wants to i will ask him honest questions about some stuff it'll be great i'll ask him if he thinks that endgame was woke and then oh yes if he says no i'll be like what about the female power scene no bullshit it was terrible they're so suspicious and uh yeah it would be fun i think chat we would open it up to chat be like chat ask some questions no bullshit yeah the community getting involved it'd be wonderful wouldn't want to take that away from anybody it'd be great um yeah boy molly hearing you make takes on twitter like iamann three beats civil war and sicario pales to its sequel it's all rather cringe in it bud how dare you what sicario pales to its sequel i mean this is all i've only heard i've only heard the opposite it's it's it's all deliberate bad takes designed to upset how could you say this oh there's all pretty good no the second one's ass this one's amazing i'll kill anyone who says anything different because that's how it works i don't want to die for this yeah i know i know people won't commit that much to a movie opinion sicario is amazing though sicario isn't amazing uh how is patrick so massively hey i don't know just talk say things edit yeah that'd be pretty neat those people in that video it felt real bad for them you're gonna humiliate yourself could at least be for something you know no it wasn't oh wow zelda killed herself neat um all of you guests are old stop being old lol damn adam we're gonna have to have to replace you with someone younger i'm afraid wow i mean the chat demanding it i don't know what's can't just ignore them rags you said you prefer far cry five to far cry three and four i can understand three but you must not have played far cry four if you think far cry five is better yeah i did play far cry four well then i mean i haven't played any of them so i'm just liked it i just liked it better it was more fun i think there was it's now i haven't played far cry four in a long ass time um but i i just going off of memory i definitely enjoyed playing far cry five much more i was certainly much more immersed in the world and i thought the gunplay was really good um i really really really liked it uh but yeah five so far five has been my favorite with all its problems i still would say five has been my favorite fair enough i forget what the is that the general take from people or is it i really don't know i have no idea i have no idea what the um general take is um oi moly gather the shadow man being literature devil er and such to explain to you why avatar is a really well made show i i'll be right i mean i don't think it'll be very convincing i'm afraid but it's it's a fan shout um how did the hotbox go adam great always good the hotbox you guys don't hotbox do you you guys don't know what that is you're too young what no everyone why would you think you'd have to be young or old to know what a hotbox is it transcends time everyone bro that's some drug culture stuff okay not old and young culture we pass it on every channel someone just gifted me control ultimate edition thank you very much grown up i'll give a look at this probably after my video i'm i'm not gonna start a new game uh at the moment but thank you very much i'll take a look at that i've heard it's nifty thank you very much um birthday present yeah i'm glad to hear about that and that you had a good time in the hotbox all right that's good yeah great um not before the show though no during uh give my idiot clone a kick in the teeth for me oh my god is this person this person they were cloned and they created patrick williams i mean imagine the the botched clone of patrick williams as a fan of all rather the the the source of that clone where they were cloned from was a fan of efab must be awkward must feel very responsible for all of the pain finally around for a live stream love you guys but please learn the difference between the words quantify and qualify isn't quantify as numbers and qualify as like explain the the how it's called status in terms of how it meets a standard yeah yeah do we did miss us that it was probably just a slip of the tongue yeah because we definitely know the difference between the two we might have just accidentally said one instead of the other yeah i might have said that but that doesn't sound like a mist i don't remember making mistakes like that quantify the the amount versus qualify the statement yeah i don't know yeah quantify your statement which is like yeah i don't i don't feel like i don't know what to say but maybe yeah i don't know i don't know what quantifier statement i can't stand that people misrepresent joker by calling it a superhero movie just because it's based on a dc based on a dc movie when it's psychological drama um i like i said i've only ever referred to it as a superhero movie for the sake of that's what i've seen a lot of people refer to it as like i don't see how it really qualifies as that yeah i don't see how it would either if it if you just change the name if joker if you didn't go into that with a meta understanding of the joker character there would not be any superhero aspect of it at all yeah yeah well i agree the story would function perfectly without that meta knowledge as well it's just kind of interesting to think about in that sense you guys tend to say quantify a lot i don't maybe it helps it do we say quantify a lot i really feel like we don't are you trying to quantify how many times we say quantify i know we say qualify a lot because we're like i'll often say like we're waiting now for them to qualify that claim all that statement that's why i say that a lot maybe it sounds the same when i say quantify qualify quantify qualify who knows maybe maybe i don't know i'm gonna send me a super cut of me saying it like over and over again in a different context and i'll be like oh my god my mind they wasted their lives is blown uh is this where patrick evolves into jack thompson um remind me who's who's jack thompson he's the guy who wanted to ban video games ah um well yeah patrick is like you can you could say he's in that bull park but it's not quite the same like no more all righted batman three of my favorite channels together at last best crossover yeah it's been it's been fun interesting little he's wait he said three oh i assume he meant adam and sitch is one us two yeah those two and then you're gonna rename our we're officially sharing a channel now we're gonna rename it but i just didn't want to rename it before we launched the name of before we launched the comic because you know i didn't want people to not find us you know youtube does weird shit so uh what are you gonna you're gonna feel like an actual like a full on name or are you just gonna do like adam and sitch adam adam and sitch uh uh it's probably just uh sitch and adam streams or sitch and adam show or something like yeah fair enough which one would i be i would be the dummy sitch i think sitch is smarter than me so sitch would be the bitch sitch is the bitch which i'm comfortable at least i'm nobody likes a nobody likes a smart anyway let's be honest yeah he tells him about this nobody clips it out and shows that you've been ripping into shreds behind his back what terrible no i'm sure some people people like to do that obviously you know people like to stir the pot so what i said he was a smart one you also said he's the worst and a bitch so i don't know man the super chatter city was the bitch i'm dumb in the bit i'm in the bitch and you didn't disagree with that see which i did you you know kind of not i does make god uh okay you guys are deliberately trying to get me in trouble now nope it'll work it'll be great no we're far past that the coconut was from epstein's island which really explains patrick willams oh yeah the coconut i remember the coconut yeah this is all the way back the beginning it was uh it was a weird it was weird i just noticed who who was uh he is jill jill jillis dean or something like that oh jillis diller Maxwell or something like that oh isn't it jizz lane isn't that how it's pronounced jizz lane i mean how could i do jizz lane jizz lane when they when the guy shows the comic the really disturbing comic of the girl with her eyes gouged out missing her arms and stuff like that i was thinking well this would be a totally different context if that was jizz okay any woman would see that and want to fuck on the spot that's it was jizz lane or uh or epstein you'd be like oh yeah it's time to take a trip to jizz lane is that what she says when she's in the when she's horny i mean you got to be you know secret about it right i got you from it i think it's a good way that it is pretty subtle here jizz lane is better take a ride to jizz lane that's a semi community right there i just noticed that r rated is an anagram for the r word r rated is an anagram for the r word being retarded in it yeah wait where's the second e yeah i mean i don't know if this works quite as well as you thought it did yeah listen i might be dumb but i ain't retarded all right that one don't check out everyone rebels on the r word yeah well that's the current line i think isn't it yeah it seems like it's doing it here like it you know we'll we'll keep saying it until apparently it'll become like a banable offense i guess that's when we'll stop because oh speeches i gotta immediately go back to the stream and they're gonna start banning they're gonna like fish it out so sad hi mola hello hello rags a million hi and hello wait why is gary here i heard he's a simp now i'm so confused we like it work it was simps been on the streets all right you know yeah as long as there's some stress yeah yeah and potatoes oh potato simps are the best um it's the same people complaining about the violence in tarantino films well maybe i don't know i don't know how patrick willams feels about excessive violence in general that's that's you know part why we had that conversation it's like there are times when excessive against those it's too popular yeah i was very likely um patrick saying not to criticize before watching the full video smash cut to i'm not watching a 12 hour response video it's the death of creativity well hey you know we're only at six hours to make a lot of content okay we're only at six hours so that's that's like half 12 yeah he could he could do that yeah morning stop at the suit he doesn't have to watch the whole thing he doesn't have to i think he does if he needs to get the full context yeah i feel he does if he only watches where we have the commentary is continuing we have made several comments about the video even after the two amendments some additions yeah if he doesn't consume at all it's not worth looking into his response i'd say we're quantifying all of our commentary we are quantifying it indeed i just did that to someone out there is triggered you got him i didn't add him morning gents hope you're doing well hopefully my criticism at fringy about wonder woman's power consistency was a bit clearer haven't seen that e-fab yet wasn't trying to be a dick or anything was only a small criticism anyway that is absolutely fine guys i think you're dick is this the nostalgic critic no this is patrick uh-huh people would debate in that in the opening which which they would prefer for us to see a patrick video or a nostalgic video i would rather watch nostalgia critic i feel like he's more entertaining some people have said we should watch his man of steel one because it's good i was like interest oh so he thinks it's bad i was gonna say i assume that's what they they're referencing again and again cosmos fucking worthless prequel video we had to defend those movies because he's terrible at his job patrick saying not to criticize before watching the full video smash cut oh this is the same one they did they send it twice oh my god unless i read it twice okay my bad this guy is an unironic cinemas knob and it's cringe i mean yeah yeah absolutely i agree uh rags roast patrick's outfit gta 5 lamar style um i think we had enough of that during the stream i think uh yeah i even made a yeah i made a lot of commentary on his odd wardrobe it's like weird stuff you'd see a sim wearing and then they'd be embarrassed about it yes the sim itself has a conversation with another server that it's like loses social points because of the yeah one of them's like kaboom bigger her and you know it's like ah y'all kaboom i'd are and then they the the other one just like he just takes it off and throws it away the yellow a yellow turtleneck underneath a black jacket what are you thinking and they're trying to set a trend past the jacket arms what are you doing what are you doing is that dick supposed to be alfred you don't know we'll never know the answer that question ultimately is anything supposed to be alfred i don't know c monster it's just his prince alfred oh my oh my goodness gracious prince alfred the ss prince alfred oh you're saying prince alfred would be team ss oh i thought i thought you meant prince albert when his monster and prince albert it says prince alfred i think they meant prince and prince yeah that's what i'd say like a c monster so close you got it so close so close to the job well they they try this was important um but i mean you know with the context of this i supposed to be alfred i think that's a good combo it evokes the memes that's what's important well yeah because we're asking yeah is that supposed to be albert it's patrick really a new spin on an old classic has patrick really done his homework this time i mean that wasn't really relevant his arguments were just shit whether or not he read the comics didn't really matter he wasted about 80 percent of the video talking about kind of irrelevant things yeah which is always fun i mean we 95 percent of the uh video actually there's a five percent of the there's like two five minute stretches we were just like well that was that anyway five percent of it was good the violent scenes from the movies like i might download it and just clip out the violent scenes i think he did a good job there maybe upload it to my second channel and jerk off to it later yeah man well everyone can do it it's amazing it's amazing sadism it's amazing stuff you know no i know the moral context behind all those things you haven't seen all those movies it's like a it's like a hey just amazing it's amazing two minutes of amazing video footage yes totally yeah it's just like that scene from sen city you know um you can beat up mad guys because it doesn't feel bad there you go i love hitman oh yeah that's the micky roach's character right yeah i love hitman if you can do whatever you want you don't feel bad that's that's like that's his whole video his video is complaining about that one moment well he never says it maybe he thinks that character sadistic no he just he's forgotten to take his medicine mauler leave more right any excuse for anything there's literally just a crying face oh sometimes you feel like oh we are we upset in the audience we put in them through a video that they don't deserve to cease well go to soldier through yeah speaking of our rated superheroes fuck mary kill gamora nebula and mantis also high rags hi um which what what point for all of these characters though isn't it because gamora why can't we just marry all of them well because we're not Mormons come on maybe i am warman i marry them all that's cheating you've destroyed the spirit of the question you've upset well i'm cheating man okay if you're not cheating you're not playing the win i probably kill mantis well okay so the problem here is i need to know i need to know if they're all at the peak or if they're all mantis hey they're all pretty awesome okay maybe kill nebula because she's like the most unstable i don't know yeah kill nebula i would marry a robot right you can't kill her well there she's not even killable nebula is good now i mean i i i'm more i'm interested to see what we get more of her but yeah um but yeah i'd say kill nebula marry mantis fuck Zamora i think mantis would be a very good uh good good good i think that is the really understand you i i'm gonna i'm gonna agree with you because i believe that is the smallest way to go with how we understand all these people in us you know yeah i think this would be very entertaining and supportive but willing to tell you the tough stuff if you need to hear it and she'd know when to say it because you you know you'd be able to open up to her and she'd kind of feel what you're what you're getting at which would be really good for communication communication is very important in a relationship um yeah totally yeah there you go that's my she would know if you were attracted to other women immediately because she doesn't she like read minds all women know that you are attracted to other women yeah unless for some reason what if she's just completely jealous though and you like it ruins the whole thing well if you loved her she would know it true true she'd know the truth right she would know yeah if you if you loved her she'd know the truth and that would settle there chicken what you could do with mantis's antennae oh my god oh my goodness no he can't do that uh chicken run is not a purely child story great escape with chickens and a farmer instead of yatsi's um yeah i like chicken run well i don't think the comment is trying to say anything in the opposite like it's it's a point yeah i'm just saying that i i just just wanted to make it known that i'm pro chicken run i am pro chicken run too i i want to make your efap's official position on chicken run is that we are pro it adami you pro chicken run that's the movie yeah i think it's good okay all right for second there i thought we were gonna have a problem that movie came out 21 years ago wow holy shit holy shit yeah yeah it's okay there'll be a chicken run too and it'll be really bad and then we'll go back oh my god will it be r rated for violence i hope so i want to our r rated version of chicken run hell yeah hell yeah imagine when they were trapped in the machine that was kind of scary yeah imagine what could happen to those little chickens if they got boy um i'm not saying r rated superhero movies are inherently bad later superhero stuff was made for children patrick willhelm he um is definitely plenty of contradictions to point out in that video he he just he's got a bone to pick all right and you just gotta let him pick the bone um yeah nico pweringa from corridor crew just said that the battle of the bastards is a better war scene for its tactics than helms deep in their latest episode who said that guy called nico pweringa never heard of him um but um i'd be interested in hearing the argument but battle of bastards was i don't know there's lots of flumpiness in that one you know i was thinking about that r rated chicken run it would actually be it'd be rated it'd be rated r for foul language oh beautiful it'd be great fucking fucking nailed it yeah that was a good one aside from the pun i would like to see a bunch of clay mated chickens running around dropping dropping apples i do like everyone's appreciating the part of that you'll just like seriously though no no no do what some swoon it's coming out of them clay chicken fuck your pun i need the swearing if we've learned anything it's that everyone likes swearing okay fuck that children swearing and chill and children and toy swearing is funnier than anything come on oh yeah toy story all rated let's do it god damn it woody what the fuck i know andy you fucking abandoned us what the fuck is wrong with you it's 10 times better already i hope andy's cunt mother calls from downstairs so we can go walk around she drops the toys in some kind of toy bargain bed and woody just sees it camera zooms out and he's like what the fuck what a stupid bitch can't you see the toys you whore what is wrong with your thing for one second yeah when andy's slack of a mom gets drunk again we could walk around and she'll just blame it on her delusions they toy with the butt whatever she's drunk because they know they could get away with it they get her into a mental institution these is what happens they move they talk to me they speak they're like all right all right take your medicine we won't have to tell you this is the world that patrick is trying to stop guys we can't let him do it yeah don't do it uh today's lineup is s class hey class yeah maybe hey s class is a good thing whether or not you think it's a bubble below a all right close below i mean whether or not he means the ranking not the you mean quantify if and oh could you could you quantify what you mean ranks i'm not ready to qualify my statements god on the use of the word quantify my grandfather was a golden age comic artist al stall i think and he made comics for other audiences too uh older audiences too he would have totally disagreed with this guy i mean i bet he probably would have bet a lot of people would it was it was such a if if nothing else oh yeah oh shit i meant to hit yes oh well um if nothing else that video was so limited in terms of the conversation being had you know it's just like can you please try and bring in some good arguments at all and it's just like no this old guy said i'm right like okay you nailed it uh the stop complaining it's for kids implies that you don't need to put effort into kids media which is a terrible take kids because deserve good movies too yep this is why we want to be clearer when they say it's silly you're like what are you what are you saying you're trying to say like it's bad on purpose you're trying to say it's funny you're trying to say it's non realistic trying to say it's at odds with its own tone you're trying to say someone's wearing a skin tight outfit like oh okay yeah oh sweet we're covering hypocrite patrick soy willowbs i don't know that that's his surname but that doesn't really roll off the tongue does it patrick soy willowbs hbsw even abbreviated uh kids can read the oldest stories when they grow up that's what i mean to a lot this is the the harm that he presented i don't think it outweighs the benefits at all yeah the harm that he showed was basically it might potentially for a very small amount of time for some people potentially cause modest amounts of confusion for a moment what is it if your parents can't help out in terms of like hey what batman content can i watch mom like Jesus christ should be that hard to do look at a wikipedia list just keep an eye on the bottom right where it has the rating or wherever it is for your respective countries it'll be okay uh when the thing ejaculates does he shoot out pebbles or is it like sand um that's a thing monster it's like um i would assume the sand so i assume it's like mud yeah it could also be yeah that's a good point i i i would expect it to be muddy come yeah like it wouldn't it wouldn't be pebbles i'm sorry i'm gonna push back on the pebbles idea i just don't think it would be pebbles yeah me neither those would be like if he had kidney stones oh hey fringy how you doing hippogriff patrick willums is quite the pen name hello i am i am pippercriff patrick soli willums mr williams what's your first name i was like oh it just just williams will be fine you don't have to worry about that hp soy that's what i'm going to do hp soy hp soycraft no uh dracula untold that's all it says in the super chat dracula untold i like to think that this person is trying to suggest we watch that free fat movies in which case you're in such a lot you're in such a lot they are going to be over the moon someone sent me a message my drift um on twitter saying they were upset that we were covering batwoman season two episode two and skipped episode one and i was for a second i was like oh no what i didn't get taken down yeah i checked it it's all fine and i was just like i guess this person just doesn't know that we did the first episode i don't know it's a bit awkward but yeah it's there for anybody who didn't know it's there uh with episode three on the way in fact we got a a bit my schedule's been packed lately we're gonna do batwoman tomorrow um not that that's some kind of chore it is epic all inspiring as per usual um here rags fetch the stick oh if you wanted it then why the fuck do you throw it piece of shit i think twice before having me commit to tasks that are arbitrary ultimately pointless you need the very snarky villainous listen i'm i'm definitely a journey over destination kind of guy but like come on yeah there are limits to that you know it's just busy work at that point um this is why japanese manga is wiping the floor with western comics perhaps the twist in batwoman should be revealing her massive richard it's so funny because i'm guessing dick is not allowed in superchats massive richard it's a massive richard yeah maybe um could be well i think when the quote was like oh you know modern comics filled with violence i was like what i i doubt that's the case from what i've heard the complaints suggested there's way too many politics shoved into it yeah that's genuinely because i haven't read them that's what i hear um senate just acquitted trump right now also high rags hello did they really wow double yeah you got double acquitted he's the only president to be double acquitted for impeachments wow because because you have to do something wrong yeah exactly so yeah i think they just they just they just they just salty they're just so dude i can't imagine once the stream is over and i vaguely look at my twitter is probably filled with stuff let's just put it that way um it's time to let the children play oh my god oh no that was the i i will say that is probably the single most creepiest sentence i've ever heard on e-fap yeah so for context uh adam rey we cover in this video that's all about how ghostbusters 2016 that the remake whatever you want to call it it um it's not a film great movie it's not a film that people like us would like okay it's it's a film for children it is for them and he ends his video i think he was going for like poignant but he like he gets like a little bit whispering he goes it's time to let the children play oh my god it's just like excuse me why did you uh that's a weird it feels a little weird yeah um this is a movie was a huge success right oh everyone loved it we did a e-fap movies on it with a critical drinker in jay longboat i think was was weekend warrior in that one as well how was it for um for ghostbusters yeah 2016 right i think weekend warrior was there yeah that was that movie puts the movie puts puts the suck in success yes tell you that that movie's that movie's kind of i'd almost encourage people to watch it because it's it's it's that kind of bad that's sort of like bizarre and how interestingly bad it is uh yo mola and rags please go on adam and sitches podcast to cover vorsch it would be like seeing cgi luke skywalker for me i mean look at that look at that well i mean it's a big maybe this is the thing i'm curious what the topic overall is and then whether or not we'll be able to timeline wise because we're in we don't got anything planned for sunday do we rags we're all right this sunday tomorrow yeah well it's like i thought you were saying we were liking a different like fictional timeline or something like our show versus your i don't know what makes sense to people i because i for a second there i was like wait when i wake up tomorrow we do a battle i'm just like no way that one's monday my time sunday my time tomorrow is that so yeah i might be free valentine's day for us yeah um yeah you know i'll give it a big maybe for now we'll we'll have a chat about it once the stream's over i think see if there's no there's no no pressure or anything like that you could show up in our chat and just say i changed my mind i want on send me a link well that was a lot what do you use discord do you or uh dream we use we use zoom really wow a bunch of people hate zoom but uh zoom zoom just seems to give us better audio quality but obviously i was out in the in the beginning of the stream i was out because my audio kept fucking up and i had to restart a bunch of shit so yeah but yeah zoom zoom is what we use but it's not difficult or anything coming to the zoom call and whatever so yeah i mean it's just interesting because like everyone these days is using either discord or stream right stream yard i think that's what stream yards i use stream yards sometimes but stream yards messes with your computer audio and turn your audio up and down wildly it's crazy so whenever i get into a stream yard it's cool everyone is way louder on it than they are in something like discord i don't know what it is i just have to turn my overall volume down which it's fine look it does seem to work because there's a reason everyone's using it right because it was google hangout was the one that was everyone was using who've moved over to a it's so weird because i'm pretty sure the drunken peasants still use skype i think they wow yeah the only time i've ever used skype is so unstable yeah yeah the only time i've ever used skype in the last years has been the time we went on drunken peasants that's it you never know what's still being used these days some boomers are still using zoom discord used to fuck with my audio but it's not fucking with my audio right now which is awesome so maybe they fixed it yeah well discord is weird it's like it's such an amazing sort of program in and of itself but it also fucks up in really annoying and weird ways a lot of the time um yeah that's just software like efap's whole look is dependent on the circles with the green things and then they updated it so that was just stopped but it was like um i remember that can you please give them back efap needs efap's cancelled did they get it did i mean we're in the old mode now so evidently they did give them um they had a lot of pushback everybody misses the green circles so yeah yeah they had this weird fucking big-ass colored box thing i remember the color of your boxes so the idea behind them all the screen yeah is that they square is because they're prepped and ready for if anyone screen shares they thought that no one gave a shit that there were circles or squares they could just be squares and it was like no no people really like the circles and they're like okay but whatever you can get over it and it's like no they didn't get over it like the thing is yeah most calls i'm in with any of my friends i'm not typically sharing my screen like it's very rare that i even do that and so the idea that it's like you'll happily make this sacrifice right because you share your screens all the time it's worth that it's like nah like no a sacrifice implies that like i'm losing something to get something or that someone's getting something for something you know well i think without it wasn't that the update that made it so that people could like screen share at the same time it did something like it gave you an extra feature but like we didn't really care it's something useless nobody gave a shit and so they've made it now so that whenever you activate screen sharing if any one person does everybody goes to squares which to me is like okay fine let's just not screen share it won't be okay yeah what if i screen share right now if you screen share right now it'll turn us all into squares i mean you're welcome to do it to show yourself it if you are i don't really mind i'm just playing around that's all right uh i remember for pg13 fuck can only be said once and it can't refer to sex either really i don't know about the second but oh it can only refer to violence or or what's what else can fuck refer to um oh everything everything pretty much oh like yeah like basically it fuck is an extremely versatile word versatile word it is used for you know like sexually i will fuck you yeah you know let's go and fuck um it can be used to pretty much accent any word regardless of context well this stream is all over the fucking any fucking word fucking regardless uh of fucking context it just it fits in anywhere it is a wonderful word it's probably it would be one of the best words ever i think it really is um like like fuck you you can sell someone to fuck me like like fuck you doesn't even mean have sex with you it's just like it used an anger um you could fuck shit up you know get mischievous about it uh you can ask what the fuck is that if you don't know what something is um you could say that someone's like wow she's super fucking hot um i got fucked over you know i got screwed out of something um uh you're a fuck up fuck with me yeah you're a fuck up exactly um you like an ejaculation you could say oh holy fuck um you just have for a lot of context but yeah yeah um but like you it just it fits in everywhere uh it's very very awesome yeah yeah i wanted to make yes fucking great word everyone should use it except if it gets you banned off platforms i'm sure we're not at that point we'll be fine definitely we're kind of lucky about that what imagine a world where they said you can't say fuck anymore that would suck what do you think they did with the with the ratings board in hellboy 2 when the guy kept saying fuck you you have to fuck use i can't remember that is it this seth mcfallon character you remember that movie did you have you seen that movie is it like the gym guy who's in like it's like a gas or whatever in a suit gas bag yeah he said fuck you some million times well i've just imagined the ratings board being like i don't know i don't know it sounds like he really is saying fuck hmm maybe that's how you can get around it and it's a silly accent yeah no it was great it would be offensive of you to conclude that that should be a high rating instead of accepting that some cultures are different i'm guessing that movie is like a pg-13 i don't even think they gave him one fuck use fuck use uh plus ran out of cash at the end of efap 127 i don't think we've gotten to 127 yet so um maybe it's the future in case that it wasn't clear in my last super chat on that efab i'm basically saying i'm not trying to criticize any of you out of spite i just wanting to keep in mind when reading my future super chance no problem and this one says please go away patrick with a sad face oh i know that feel um do do yes patrick willams is like a white blm member telling black people how to feel but about a comic book character and franchises he's a karen a little bit yeah definitely get the karen vibes in the video totally talk to your manager uh hail mohler rags and the rest of the massives hello hello hail indeed hey i do agree that the rating system is very tizmy like most disney me the disney movies are more pg when they could have been g rated like they used to back then yeah like over time it seems to have gone a little bit more um prudish it's very easy to set off ratings now but i don't necessarily like it's a tough job i guess to be sure about what does what you know when when it's the line even the mildest form of potential peril is pg yeah you're introducing an environment that you have to have a show like bob the builder where the stakes are just so fucking low will he be able to build the roof before it rains i don't yeah it's like oh my goodness will the fence be up before we have to go home and sleep i don't know oh boy it's getting very sunny today zero stakes sad just need them to get punched and blood to come out yeah that's how we know the stakes are there what we've been advising this whole stream uh hi rags happy late birthday oh thank you and hello he also acts like because new comic book movies and shows came out that somehow it removes the accessibility of the popular stuff from past he never addresses that no such an obvious sort of addition to this conversation like wait but they already they they still exist but now what watch them enjoy them yeah luke's hand getting cut off i mean that didn't affect me as a child or anything you know holds wrist nervously yeah i mean yeah some things they can do stuff i feel like back in the 80s and 90s children shows and movies treated kids more fairly like less like infants are more respected can't quite find the words um i would say this is reflected in a little just culture in general like kids are more pampered than they used to be for in some ways better in some ways worse i'd say uh helicopter parents is like a serious problem um i don't know like a site is that a psychological term or is that just a locale one i think it's a locale well either way uh parents i think it's quantify people being too protective to the point where they could see something very normal for a kid and be like oh my god timmy can't see that yeah i mean watch him he can't drink water he might choke yeah timmy's got his phone googling hardcore pornography all day long well we're a part of this i mean i think everyone had certain moments like that in their life where their parents are like oh oh shit this this thing and you're like that thing i'm very familiar with that thing yeah okay um i'm making a kid right now high m count even to be fair i'll probably leave it though so it has no people uh he was during the stream yeah and it was gonna be solo you were making a kid during our stream well patrick willams i mean never helps get the job done i was gonna say i'm not gonna say that it's an impossibility that efap should be played when having sex i think that's you know i can't say i recommend against it we can make a track like especially efap track the fuck track fuck where we're like yeah you can do it you don't stop yeah give it to him go harder faster stronger congratulations yeah you did it excellent fuck you now take a breather and get back to it yeah ten minutes ten minute break then get back to work uh harry pothead and the drug cartel stone yeah that's what you're right there apparently would not allow those kinds of movies which is bullshit i want jk rolling to write it yeah get it back in let's see what let's see what ideas she's coming up with these days uh return to ours rated pg screwed me up as a kid and i know i'm not alone in that also howdy rags hey like i said i want to do that for efap movies just for the so we can have the discussion on some of the stuff in that movie and be like hey this is this is pg it's like hmm i don't know um maggie may fish says robo cop is a trans icon okay interesting like she has an agenda maggie may fish is quite the name that's that's my commentary on that um but would you really want like robo copies is is just such a such an awesome absolute white male rage character why would you want to associate with them at all the sort of those characters i mean leave it to us all right we'll have robo cop you guys can have other stuff he's ours he's so his t2 terminator so his predator predator is a white male rage character all right well they did take over terminator they made a female terminator didn't they was well they tried to do it with all of them right like they kind of do that john carna now now it's what's her name dany something it's like she's the new hope for the universe like okay i didn't watch any of those where they really started going off the rails wait what terminate three like they they did the uh uh they did the one with christin bail which was extremely poorly written oh the salvation was sad and yet it was sad they had of the sequels like bail playing john connor i mean that's so oh man that's like amazing but they were like uh just you know whatever the writers out we'll just take it no make it awesome please yeah sad very sad yeah pity that i do like never a sequel to t2 ever not one really should a motorcycle like the transform a motorcycle was super badass in that movie too oh i remember we were talking about yeah well what does it think salvation salvation is one that like a lot of stuff in it is kind of cool and a lot of people appreciate bits of it but like t3 t genesis and doc fe everyone just hates everything about fuck them all yeah salvation is the ugly duckling in terms of like the one that we look at and go you're not so bad in the selection of the good ones but in relation to the bad ones it's like man you're actually kind of oh sweet i'm more just disappointed in the like the massive potential wasted yeah that movie should have amazing oh well hey guys it happens anyone here seen support your local sheriff if not you should yes great movie yeah i enjoy it it's very funny i like it a lot never heard of it i think i have seen it but i can't remember i'll look it up support your local it's a comedy right yes to western comedy is the when when did it come out you know uh let me check the a million years ago uh 1969 hilarious is there an updated version that we're missing here it is rated g it is a bird i've got burt kennedy 1960 you're looking at the same one right 1969 support your local share the director's burt kennedy oh yeah yeah mm oh james god that's who is the guy in it comedy western i don't know i'll check it out yeah uh insert mark hamill yelling oh nazi we need that on the bead dial if you will especially when we're mentioning punching nazis gotta get it done i'm surprised you're mentioning green men like when was that that's like an ancient movie wait what movie angry men oh 12 angry men yeah um i think that's 57 i want to say oh wait there's a 1997 tv movie 12 angry men can't be the same right oh remake i don't even think waltz your math though or no jack went no we're really drifting into the old movies oh yeah speaking of criticisms in relation to your criticisms of diana missing steve well j longbone can say better on her wonder woman i assume stream time stamp oh dude i it's all in roman numerals it's not like i don't know um if you don't mind well so she knew steve for a couple of weeks and she hasn't seen him for 70 years um yeah i i think it's dumb that she is this impacted by i think in 70 years a person will have been depressed for 70 years this is not a small amount of time okay they say one year they say you get over in one year 70 years oh my god um you've got some mental set going there 70 years you will have changed who you are potentially several times not even kidding like depending on the person that's 70s a long amount of time if this was one year i'd be like yeah i can see how she i guess still thinks about him and everything yeah okay i guess but 70 come on i don't know about that and um yeah i think we would be able to argue it better if not for the fact that she knew him for so little like it's kind of ridiculous we know her for so little true calel no calel no also mooples watch the mothman prophecy or i'll turn you into movie bobs sissy bimbo servant you you'll have to pleasure every one of his roles oh my god uh why you haven't seen that such a great fate i have not seen it no i think that's pretty good all right superman doesn't need an r rating unless you're adapting something like superman versus the elite need is an interesting choice of words um obviously the need would come in with the the creator and what they're trying to what story they're trying to tell i would assume um and if there is a version this video got so confusing when he was like oh you know batman um dark knight returns would be an example of batman doing the thing i said he shouldn't be doing but it's okay because it's outside of the mainline comics and so it's weird that snider adapted that it's like but if he did adapt that that's that makes it chill right that means it's totally okay when i think his answer would be no because it's not about whether or not he adapted the right thing it's about how fucking edgy he is that's the problem what were the views like on that video i don't know i am started curiosity if you search i'm wondering why what's the point of r-rated movies do we hear about oh maltres oh yeah buck them up maltres you were 14 mad that i like the intro of uh the wonder woman 1984 he got super mad at me like the intro of wonder woman yeah wonder woman 1984 they do like uh in the mall the olympics thing no no no the mall the mall was horrible but the you thought the olympics were yeah amer the american gladiator thing i thought was pretty cool and sit you got all pissed off should that's dumb look wait if look i depends what were you guys can get pissed off i'm entitled to my opinion what were you enjoying i'm gonna grill you what were you enjoying adam what was it you were enjoying i like i like the show american gladiator it was very much like american gladiator i mean it was totally ridiculous but i thought that's fine then wow yeah i was sorry i'm super i'm superficial sorry guys i'm totally superficial that's your power you're in the mall yeah that's my superpower i could be superficial about anything now the uh in the mall the mall stuff was completely ridiculous so and i checked out after the ball how come the olympic thing wasn't ridiculous because it wasn't like american gladiators which he likes all right adam i'm seeing a floor to your system that's allowed to be ridiculous unless it's american gladiators i didn't say it was logical okay i'm willing to admit it's completely illogical but oh it's a funny scene though that's that's what i was expecting to say it is funny um so i'm totally fine with you laughing at and then they have a like a little girl competing against him which is totally ridiculous but still at the same time i don't know and the the different sporting events that they had lined up were pretty cool that it was kind of like american gladiator like they kept pushing the envelope yeah i'm not going to deny that pushing the envelope yeah it was such a scene though there's so much funny shit in it yeah when she cheated when she cheats oh my god can you really call that cheating when she clearly didn't understand that's what she did yeah no it's weird the film is like you're fucked up and she's like what i did well i don't even know if that's what she felt it's it's so like the scene was so bizarre i'm not sure if it was what the what the little actress was trying to convey like was she coming to terms with the fact she cheated was she confused that she even cheated does she even know what cheating is i didn't even know that it was cheating yeah it seemed like all bets were off like this isn't cheating it doesn't it's so poorly structured in the contest is so fucking bat shit insane i have no idea what is and isn't cheating or what i find weird is that if the challenge for us right was to shoot five targets and i shot four then ran across the finish line you guys did five finish line i would expect to be told you missed the fifth target and i'd be like oh shit i wouldn't expect to be thrown to the ground until you're cheating i'd be like huh yeah that's true what do you mean and it's like you didn't hit the fifth target like i didn't fucking i didn't like oh i thought i did yeah like clearly she did it's it annoys me because it portrays it as though she's like haha i'm gonna win via cheating and it's like you need to learn about cheating surely you have to know the rules of that before you enter you hit she had to have known what she was supposed to do because remember you jump into the fucking ocean and then there's a bunch of horses that are just like at a nearby beach that you have to know to swim to to get on to go down this road like you have to know what the rules are before you enter there's no scene where we see her like being sly about it yeah like it didn't seem like she was cheating because it seemed like she was doing it bold-faced and in the open like i didn't think she was cheating until the very end well they just was pretty dumb that like 90 percent of the competition takes place where none of the people can see hey i just like the sporting events okay get quit don't give me a hard time it was very american gladiator i liked what they were going for all right it's okay we don't think any less of you i feel you silently judging me yeah we gotta rise on you but you know i feel it i feel it the heavy gays e-faps judgmental games i if it if it's any consolation i didn't watch until the end oh but wait as long as you sold the opi g scene no i didn't i didn't see i didn't see oh my god you're missing so much halfway like you'd love it it's just like america all see halfway through the mall scene i was like this is lame fuck this puppy oh man now i know that whenever we need to get you to watch something we could just say it's like american gladiator yeah yeah totally you got me tell me this that that scene is at the end though tell me it's at the very end although i might in the middle you gotta in it well seriously you need to see that opi g scene it's really fucking excellent honestly it'll change your will or at least how you view life itself i might watch it for the cringe oh yes uh instant death is opposite of sadistic well i guess if the death looked you know what you've got a kind of a point there the guy who was hit by the crate fucking died straight away seemingly and so someone was like i enjoyed causing pain in a sadistic way it's just like probably don't prefer it then that it's instant right i mean you probably you can i guess like you just like the cause you enjoy people dying or something but how did you know that little tidbit how there's a blood streak in one and there's not the blood streak in the other like how did how did that come to his attention i guess you could yeah he maybe i guess the the question i would have i i think is that i didn't know that and i've seen both versions but then again it's been a while since i saw them to you know in between them so that's probably noticed that you just didn't think yeah like assign it to memory or something like that it wasn't it's what you'd expect and maybe either way if you like you maybe he read a thread about it some way you know or form post about like oh hey that's not added blored someone complaining about it on tumblr yeah yeah definitely only seeing batman causing people to bleed think of the children bleed his own blood yep by the way kill patrick's hair goodbye now can't kill his hair 100 thousand views wow yeah that's a lot of dumb hey you understood his point very clearly so of course that video i don't even know what the discussion on that video will be other than i hate it when they get edgy like that would be fascinated by like people will just watch propaganda if it's slickly produced like they don't give a fuck it's so sad i mean well i guess humans have always just kind of done that right it's kind of a weakness us a lot have but i mean i'm no shitty species maybe we'll get there one day all right no more propaganda i don't know seems like it's free now anyone can make propaganda how do you define propaganda by the way out of curiosity propaganda is something that's designed to shape your opinion with lies that is what that that's what a that's what a british person says when they're gonna want to go want to go look at something they say i'm gonna go propaganda at the window there you have a propaganda i'm gonna have myself a propaganda yeah it's nice look that sounds like you're delving into your australian rags yeah oy oy you're gonna get me a propaganda propaganda i'm australian australian say they're gonna have a propaganda window see the kangaroos as they hop on by hell you're pretty good oh yeah steve url steve url steve url hey he's an abo uh i recently rewatched civil war and the argument between cap and tony about the accord might be my favorite scene in the mcu they don't grant visas to uh metal weapons of mass destruction i think he says and then she says she's a kid and he says give me a break so good hell yeah it's a really good scene because they both they both have a point um wander is obviously way out of her depth but at the same time she is an adult and what she can do makes her one of the most dangerous people on the planet it's good stuff um you were 14 once but patrick violence and gore isn't for children right also obligatory these are superhero films intended for children show yeah we're at that point i guess still yes he trolling the fucking georgia's quote so what do you expect um also also dino fun fact of the week did you know that the t-rex was as intelligent as a chimpanzee oh yeah well how come it's fucking dead yeah explain that yeah checkmate science well i would be interested to know like what kind of stuff yeah i'm actually curious yeah what was the extent of its intelligence what is too big oh it must be so awkward to be intelligent but i have no arms really like you have them but you know yeah because intelligence in and of itself doesn't have really any survival value you have to be able to apply that intelligence to you know survival related activities i guess you could nudge stuff with your hand move it around use your feet uh i'm a i'm a bit late but i hate when people say you want a mature movie it better be our but not all mature movies are like civil war interesting thought uh i think we did talk about that like i said venn diagram is the best way to explain our rated films and mature films there is a cross section and that cross section is probably why when you see something is rated r that you're like ooh are we in for some deep tisms and uh i mean it can it can mean that that's what you're gonna get but you can also mean it could be edgy and you'd see batman get shot on the dick or something i don't know uh schadenfreude i assume that's in reference to watching patrick willow's watching us watch patrick willow's they watch us suffer and they get pleasure from watching us suffer coming to our god the perpetuity of suffering emotions that you're pressing in the movie hmm when you see the bad guy come up and that's schadenfreude is it yeah i don't know i don't think that's how that's categorized i don't think like because yeah because if a bad guy gets his comeuppance that's justice that's not schadenfreude it's not the misery of another person that's yeah because that's what's getting you on yeah i'm trying to think of if like the there's a meaningful um thing beyond simply is it is it misery of a person you think has any sense or is it specifically just misery in general yeah when you see your enemies uh get hurt it's when you feel good right but i mean it could be your enemies could be getting hurt because they're genuinely your enemies because they're shitty people yeah if they're bad people getting their getting justice essentially i don't think i'd categorize that as schadenfreude but if it were like a big distinction justice you probably call that i guess yeah like if it yeah if it goes further in justice than it you know it's not like proper justice anymore um like if i saw it like a school of or a school bus full of children the crashing and you know that just made me fucking happy and i thought that was poggers that'd be schadenfreude however um if it was a school bus full of ices terrorists and then it crashed school or something like that they're just going to have just like terrorist school they're going to terrorist school yeah they're going to the school what what's so weird about that i'd be like okay that's like some that's a weird positive justice there's and karma you know it's not because they suffered it's because they come you know they suffer because of pleasure derived from someone from another person's misfortune but you see the misfortune of other people but if you see the misfortune of someone that is like a good person that you like you're not going to experience schadenfreude you're only going to experience it if the person is a total scumbag i mean right well i'm you can argue that the perception like you're perceiving the person we know like a scumbag in there if we just watched the video i guess if some guy like he's just going about his day and then like he drops this cup of coffee all over himself and he's like ah and then he slips on that coffee and then an anvil from i don't want to die in this scenario i just wanted the idea of being it's funny and you kind of laugh at it even though it's really sad and he's probably he's probably fine as a dude you don't even know you know sometimes i guess whether or not you think they deserve it doesn't necessarily play in i think yeah that poor guy he was just trying to have his coffee okay oh god leave him alone he doesn't deserve it muller it's okay to punch the kid he was a nazi ah i'm gonna use this whenever i commit to any violence i'll be like but they were a nazi leave me alone i don't deserve to go to twitter jail yeah crazy instant oh yeah uh don't you lie about us long man i would never do that shan have infinite respect for autism uh cement is hard come i await your civil war video oh one day one day thoughts on mike tyson mysteries hi rags hi i've seen it it's hit and miss but it's all right i had no idea that even existed is that like he does he just hosts a show about mysteries that's a cartoon show where mike tyson plays himself and he goes around solving mysteries and norm mcdonald plays a pigeon that sounds awesome it's pretty great oh there's some really good stuff in there it's amazing god check it out out of curiosity tyson's mysteries he needs like a mystery mobile type thing the mike tyson out of curiosity what are you guys thoughts on both deb pool films and if you would be down to cover nostalgia critics deadpool 2 video or his ghostbusters video uh that we have so oddly enough i haven't actually seen any of the deadpools what oh my goodness how interesting uh i really like the first one i don't know how i feel apparently first to watch it again nowadays i i but i like when it came out and as for the second one i didn't like it as much but i think some of the jokes have me laughing more like like like heartier than the first one did like so greater highs but less highs yeah there you go so um i don't know i have to rewatch them i guess maybe we will sometime maybe we will yeah i don't know if one or two is better and that's a tough one because i agree with what you're saying i don't like the um when they're all like lifting off i guess and um the invisible dude turns out to be a really good cameo and you just fucking i'm not gonna spoil it you know what i'm talking about yeah yeah that had me laughing quite a bit um samurai jack started pg and became tv 14 with five seasons because the creators knew the ones who watched it grew up yeah totally happens he doesn't really like he doesn't really put much uh stock into that concept when he's doing that video he's like he doesn't know barely barely even mentions it in any way um hey mola i've been watching you for years and love your work but i was wondering when you'll make more videos i am currently on a boy season two video it is a big chungus i will give more updates on how it's going as as it becomes relevant i don't want to be giving anybody any expectation of when or what you know but um it's what's being worked on and there's uh there's just a lot of lots of stuff is to come i have absolutely not stopped the i've absolutely not stopped making videos they're the words i was looking for um and obviously efab stuff would be the the tide you over could dream if if you're in because i know a lot of people wanted to know like a deeper take on like hillhouse or obviously all of mad lauren season two all of that is available on the mula channel you'll have a look see if you want to um what do you look for when assessing objective quality outside of internal consistency um that's a tough one because a lot of that is tough continuity is like a fundamental that's one of the things you can fundamentally appeal to when you get past that you have to start accepting that a lot of it is a bit more difficult to identify in a more definitive sense than simply you just don't like it because at one point he does say um in that video we were covering patrick is like all right he doesn't use the word gross but um it's something like it or he says he says it's um an appealing he uses a word that kind of gives away like this is the core of it he just doesn't like it and like that's why he's making the video he's trying to find an argument that appeals to something higher than he just doesn't like it but sometimes you just go to come to the terms of the fact it's like yeah i just don't like this it's not appealing to me which is i would say i would say like no fat uh like everything in the movie is either a setup or a payoff like and best case scenario there's some kind of subtext going on constantly yeah like i would i would even appeal to like you want to try and achieve more than one thing at any one time but at the same time as long as you're achieving something it's worthwhile but uh and so the implication is like wait so you should cut anything that doesn't add something to an overall in some way should perform it's like well yes but yeah basically because if we talk about if it doesn't have a point then what do you lose by losing it yeah well it looks cool though could do well yeah but at that point i would argue that it is perhaps serving a purpose so you know too too many it depends what the thing is yeah too many movies do the it looks cool excuse which is awful i think so even though it does look cool i mean why can't you spend the time making a scene that is actually meaningful look cool yeah well someone said does that mean no tfa part four oh tfa will be finished i just don't exactly know when don't fret welcome it all will come yeah that was definitely me dead uh where are we bone tomahawk lunchbox absolutely i don't see why anyone wouldn't have a bone tomahawk lunch box you know it rustles face in the front subscription service bone box bone subservice tomah box i like moving words around it becomes fun i will be uh i will be right back great man is a thing mohler by the way and three episodes minus the g from great man the rape man is a thing apparently well we made him up on this stream okay so we have all the rights and he wants to pay his royalties to make this mark honey belongs to us i don't want the good name of rape man dismissed by anyone's interpretation yeah we need to add a rape man to like the Incredibles property i think he just needs to get his perspective in there that's all i'm saying it upsets me that people ignore rape man and what he has to offer oh my god do you want to let that sit all right army is full of what i'm scared to explore what rape man super i would probably want to go the way of it has absolutely nothing to do with what the dave implies you know if there if there was really a movie with rape man in it you and it was a superhero movie you'd know you'd be watching it the whole time to find that one super power is it just never reveal it like he fights crime and you could possibly guess that what powers he might have but it's never explicit he's like what is why what i watch this whole movie i don't even know his power and like the whole time the the universe just doesn't react to it that way they're just like yeah he's rape man like what why is why are you all chill with that be his name it's like what do you mean he's right man you could do one of those scenes where you know one character whispers and the other characters here and is constantly telling people just to like really fuck with the audience everyone in the story knows what rape man super power is and nobody in the audience does oh man i have a lot of triggering out of this movie i can feel it that would be subverting expectations oh yeah uh Iron Man is just alfred noble as a superhero i think there's a lot of things you can tell you a lot of people were saying Elon musk obviously like the not necessarily any particular characteristic or not just this concept of a very rich person being able to make big differences by making certain decisions right that's why calling it a superhero movie i'm like what are you what do you when you say that what are you what are you saying have you read books on writing and stuff like that uh not really no okay because a lot of the writing books categorize superhero movies as like outcast like that's the thing about a superhero movie these people are outcast so i always see him that way when when the guy was talking about how it's a power fantasy i was thinking not really i mean it's more about a not getting in i mean i would accept both depending right like on different different stories they cover so many different options that i wouldn't want to box any of them in ultimately on anything other than the umbrella team being someone in there has a superpower it's like yep that's that's the constant there can be a lot of different things that's happening though uh yeah but i because i get worried like him saying power fantasy and you saying like uh an outcast i'd be like there's validity to both of those as for which one is more applicable than the other yeah outcast typically that's because like there's someone who um doesn't fit in is you like one of the most common tropes right who just told me i and then he like fits in just fine so it's it's yeah iron man seems really like the exception though because i mean you look at them all like hulk is fighting this this thing like the inner demons thing is big and super yeah like that's all about that x-men are like i just want to fit in every everyone in the audience i do admit is going why you have these amazing powers don't it's kind of a kill kill i would give this up in a minute if i could just be normal everyone's going no i don't know i don't see them as a power fantasy i don't think i think very few people have power fantasies and those people generally generally tend to be sadistic people and i don't think movies are structured i don't think you could have successful movies that are aimed at just an audience of sadistic people but that's the way the guy made it out to be like no these these movies are for sadistic people disagree um it's yeah it's i just consider it all very it's super interesting to talk about and uh i think a lot of people would like to box it in a little faster than like you totally can it's just a matter of um making sure you cover all of the obvious places because the idea that there's a sadistic hero that's his whole thing and that anyone who watches it is probably going to be someone who just enjoys pains like yeah i i struggle to see that one being popular as well in fact i it feels like the kind of thing that would get cancelled yeah like this is unacceptable and kirby versus bowser always comes across us so like god bowser's gonna eat kirby it's gonna be horrifying all rated bowser consumes kirby um mutually your voice got me pregnant also i'm a man oh my god well um i was gonna make a reference like the well you know it's not worth it uh i'm i guess i'm glad slash confused and uh also high rags he is currently in the bathroom i believe or getting a drink i don't know you should be right back in control you should turn yourself over for science um if a voice like pregnant and you're a guy possibly that should definitely be studied you said before that one of your standards is that it must make sense what if you guys say it makes sense but someone else says it doesn't well that's what conversation is for right right if if they're obviously long to be clear here if we are mistaken or if they are mistaken then the exchange oh is that right the day is always they're always mistaken they're always wrong well yeah uh this is i was gonna say like this is this happens all the time like we uh if f is not really ever in the popular opinion i think we are often uh beats the green but that's fine and i'm more than willing to hear out some arguments like we did today that was an experience where we listened to arguments you know you could say that's what between us we were the ones making the argument so i i i do agree with our discussion is cool so someone just said i agree with that now comics are just books about superheroes intended for children god now our book is children at all really children should probably steer clear of it children should just steer clear of media they're ruining it for everyone yeah that's true how dead steer clear of me oh my god yeah hello there was a there was one high rags oh hello to you iron man is just oh wait i read that batman is quite famous for having magic powers yes he is the magic of grappling another one there probably is some iteration of batman where he has magical powers right there are usually something i've never heard of or it's like he grasped the gauntlet of gargolash and it gave him power to move mountains and whoa you never know with the with comics yeah um army is full of special nicknames yeah it was weird that one of his requirements for how it's silly is that you have an alias is like oh okay uh so all the idiots that dressed up at the capital riots must have been comic book superheroes oh did they have their own names as well like aliases there was was rape man there see mother eagle freedom man snake trailer have a another name a secret name or hacker name would alan more call brave lgbt plus poc batwoman a fascist i don't know that would that would start with starting to get into complicated territory i don't know what he'd say patrick makes the arguments i made when i was 14 yeah that's right if anyone pulls that card you could just reverse it when they're like i used to think like you when i was a child it's like yeah i used to think like you when i was a child there we go what a good conversation this man looks unfortunate yeah the i just don't think he can make a turtleneck work okay i'm not gonna wipe out the idea of wearing turtlenecks but i just don't think he can pull it off that's my hot take i guess you know he wants to make that kind of totally wants oh yeah he 100% wants to be he's like there's a lot a lot of the video ss really want to be movie makers but they're uh they're stuck on youtube for him well i wonder if he's made a movie uh he's made shorts i think i want to say rain shorts i'm not sure i don't know the only one i saw was um in full no i saw two i saw the toilet guy that one was shit oh the plumber yeah yeah the plumber uh that one was the toilet guy and go on down so we don't what's the plot is a guy who kills people he's a plumber the other one i saw was that notes from melanie one that was fucking dumb too and i saw parts of the ralph movie maker one that was shit oh yeah well what can you do rangs have you made a short film i don't think so no i haven't made a terrible short film well then what could you possibly say this is a genuine argument people make well who are they to say that it's good they haven't made one true yeah can you really say something's any good until you've made one yeah i've made several so i can i prepare to judge away oh my god a judging cap on this toilet guy is like disrespectful calling a plumber toilet guy is fucked up right here toilet yeah what i can remember if that was his occupation or not i just know that he had an obsession with toilets and poo yeah yeah my god for real the truth is the truth um this guy's officially ruined tittle next for me oh down they go uh the fuck back man thing the show is crap but it's one of the few things the show gets right scenes where bruce slash dick talk on their history and dick brings up the hang ups he admits the bruce did well right again i got i got no context for any of that so i do not know um his whole when i was younger things sounds like he's arguing kids are stupid so why bother putting an effort with stories that will test them it's um i just i just got this regarding the argument because it's a young person argument and and thus a less seasoned argument this is the same guy that did the video shut up about plot holes yes it is a guy who this totally makes sense like he doesn't if he doesn't think plot holes are bad like he doesn't understand this guy doesn't understand anything it's like a disqualifier for me i know ever talk about movies i would say certainly don't certainly if you wipe them all out if you want to make a caveat like some plot holes really don't matter i'd be willing to listen to you but like the idea that none of them matter at all be like okay you you're willing to let them slide if the movie's amazing in like all other areas sometimes you're like oh my god it just depends on the plot hole for me it's just like i just need to know what we're talking about and if he was like oh you highlighted that they don't have their shoe in this shot when they did in the other one i don't that's a continuity here yeah sure but like you know depending on categorization here we can just talk about it's a it's a missing piece of information that's supposed to be there um to fuck up and it you know it depends on how charitable you want to be because if we just extend that out you can eventually turn it into a literal plot hole as in um someone has a gun and it disappears in one shot when they could have used it and then it reappears when they can't use it you'd be like oh well that that's fucked like i would like to reference a certain knife the worst is when the plot hole like if you filled the plot hole in the movie would be 10 times better like they're not even using the plot hole because it's absolutely necessary to make the movie good like it's like just a complete oversight have you seen the movie it's us a horror movie us oh fuck that movie none of it makes any sense well in the end there's like it's it's like completely wrong you're going what the fuck dude the whole movie like i was tempted to consider making something for that us blew my mind with how much didn't make any fucking sense you should the ending is just so weak sauce yeah like beyond weak yeah you're like what the fuck because all the scenes in the movie should have literally been different than that they were in the movie if the twist ending is like legit make that movie makes absolutely no sense by adding the twist ending on that they did it didn't make sense to be able to swear to get all of the how it all works i'm assuming you know what i mean by that like none of that lines up yeah totally yes no it's it's very yeah it's silly let's call it well look at you can tell when watching it there's a message they're trying to give you it's not really about the writing at all in terms of like how they execute it it's more like can you listen to what i have to say about carpentry are you like yeah yeah yeah yeah basically a ted talk in the style of a movie really shitty movie i'm okay with a ted talk all right just write it well you want to talk about how the frogs are being turned gay by 5g go for it just write the story well i i i thought the movie was really decent until the end because i thought okay well they better pull this off i mean it's intriguing the whole way through were you were i i was yeah i was interested for sure um yeah disappointed totally fucked it up yeah exactly it's a disappointing ending you're going oh man if they can pull this off if they have some answer for what's going on here that makes logical sense i am all in and then they just like flush that down the toilet they're basically now we can't ride our way out of this one i want alex jones to make a movie we all do we all do needs to make a movie that was great um mol you ever see speaking of al youtube channel kylo ren explains star wars is great i don't know if i have that doesn't sound familiar though does sound familiar to you there are you guys speaking of al no speaking about no and it's not even like duck tails at least the 2017 reboot hasn't broached dark topics not edgy miracle man levels of course but broken families and attempted genocide happen on screen yeah again it's possible you can definitely do it like if we want to get serious for a second it's like yeah you can do this with pretty much anything it's always going to be about execution oh how exactly did you do it uh execution is everything you guys should check out jaboody dubs we need the poo movie trailer on youtube oh jaboody dubs yeah he's funny i haven't seen that one though yeah another eye that sounds funny um that scene of slaughter and mutilation that patrick said was a realistic depiction of um of the aftermath of a superhuman battle some misrepresentation there kid miracle man was going on a killing spree before the fight let's think if someone said a realistic result of two superhumans fighting each other would be mutilated humans i'd be like well not necessarily depends almost like it's really up to you what kind of situation you want to create that's not just the end result every time um been missing for a while you guys help me get through my shift at work please watch attack on titan it's incredible also high rags hi um good to hear it and yeah everyone's recommended attack on titan these days i'm assuming the season's still coming out i don't know sure yeah i don't know if the last one or anything but a lot of people are liking it and that's what's important you know what you get when fans grow up and leave the comic to a new audience you get garfield constantly renewing audience equals utter staleness um yeah a lot of those old comics they died years ago they just keep going on they just keep existing and carrying on they just linger yeah oh it was speaking of ai not al capital i and lowcase l are annoying yeah yeah i got you i still don't recognize great uh well i couldn't find oh alamore did make an inspirational superman type hero after watchman actually well technically he retconned an edge lord into an inspirational character it's called supreme uh perhaps he was trying to be the change maybe sega should ask him for some pointers do it bring down the edge you know shave it all off smooth it all out we're the same age oh sorry that guy discovering that i guess um mullet getting the jayward pass your pass will make a fine addition to my collection oh yes have you guys already discussed robot heads the boys season two video it was so off point i'm surprised you didn't cover it hi mullet and wags hi we saw it it was shit it was really bad it's really horrific um i'm gonna reference it in my video um at certain points so that'll probably be what you're looking for in terms of like um it's it's been really hard to fully articulate everything wrong with episode six particularly especially the scene where both butcher and starlight are fucking ruined um and that would be an again for butcher by the way the and the fact that that's referred to that scene is like uh people change seems it's pretty fascinating to me so yeah we'll um we'll we'll i can i can probably address some of it in that video that video is going to be enormous probably oh we shall see what ends up happening uh speaking of sexy covers naked james c is youtube is on youtube trending what james c who's who's james c i don't know james it's not cordon right no one would want to see him naked i was gonna say but um wait ew don't know what an a class is but it is best well there you go a's apparently got some love again class wow combination i like it um and three genus c got a job with dw uh that's daily wire right yeah yeah interesting yes you did she's gonna make her on movie hope it's good hope it's great uh been watching the sardonic cast episode on the samurai me spider-man trilogy and i'm happy to report that both i hate everything in yms have the same issues with spider-man 2 despite them still enjoying it ralph failed miserably however of course he did he's not he's not fantastic ralph's not yeah he's one of those guys who could he could only hit the softballs you know i mean i can't i can't even reference like stuff i've seen from him though i was like oh that was really good i i've probably seen something that i thought was good i can't quite recall um i've got a question on star wars episode one why did the green asians want naboo so badly i get that they're a greedy trade federation but what's the value of naboo dude you see naboo yeah it's pretty great that looks like a resource rich planet with a stellar sort of set of buildings for the i don't know the the people and the republic of representatives i don't know it seems either let's put it this way i would be chill with having naboo myself i'd be like yeah naboo seems like it'd be great to have be pumping out cash also you get a whole bunch of jar jar banks people to kill you know i mean yeah i mean it's like i mean no different different star wars had ralph nailed it with his wonder woman 2017 video he touched upon many things that we did there you go okay oh no uh anyone here remember king arthur and the knights of justice kind of a gi joe clone about a football team sent back in time by millen it was very silly but i'd still totally watch it as an adult uh no i do not know that one there was one with like whoopey goldberg that was similar to that i think it was based off of uh uh uh mark twain's and connecticut yankee and king arthur's court i think he wrote that um hello efab crew this is sitch on my alt account that's literature devil i know you two aren't the same person don't try and convince me otherwise deception and we do literature will uh mawler shipping in our comic since we're both tech minds here we're both peoples of shadows i got another spicy hot take the grunts from halo are better shooters than stormtroopers is that a hot of course they are i was gonna say isn't that just true yeah it's not a spicy take wait i don't know how to put this if you can shoot someone ever you're probably better than stormtroopers like so yeah not too hard to get to that point i believe in you creature that is trying to be as good as stormtroopers you can do it just cut that video halo grunts are more deadly than yeah i would like to apologize to you masses for doubting your infinite wisdom on buffy it's really good should make it a requirement for the channel oh don't feel like i don't even know what you would have said before but like there's plenty of bad in buffy but there's also really really good stuff and i'm just glad you've enjoyed it apparently um but no no required reading or watching for ether we welcome all people i mean you must have noticed that there's there's people in our community who haven't seen lord of the rings so we are a pretty welcoming community at that point i'd say we don't gotta worry um did bob mistake the power lines for string cheese don't know what that is referencing it feels with you he probably doesn't know that power has to be delivered like through a series of like tubes and wires he probably assumes that just it's just there for him as if the universe is providing him power so he can you know just have a grand old time i keep killing myself as peach i don't know if this is the game's trying to tell me something um which is worse the lost world drastic park or drastic park three i think the so the the knee chick reaction is drastic park three however that would be really fun to do any fat movies set on i think those those ones because um for fallen kingdom i remember rewatching all of them and just i was just like fuck me drastic park one is the only good one um but as for which is worse that is an interesting question i do not know off the top of my head because i remember the lost world is just something of a surprise in terms of like seems like this is pretty good because a lot of people like to point out there's like lost world is the the best of the sequels and i was like but uh lost world is the second one right yeah it's got issues in them um but i'm afraid i can't answer that quite yet but maybe someday ranks how would you fix the mass effect three ending gosh that's asking a lot um let me see um i would get the universe back to a state that i would want to be in it you know i'd still want to be in it compared to this one because it's still like great but compared to all that you've seen and done for the last three games the state of the universe is really like you really want to be there and it's really cool and amazing and it's opened up and there's so many possibilities and so many of them are just completely shut after the mass effect three ending um so like i'd keep the relays up i'd kind of almost just almost reset in the sense of we've ended a cycle and everything that happens from this point forward has never been done ever before again uh so um that's probably where my starting point would be without getting into character stuff and relationship stuff but just kind of off the top of my head that i think that's a good general sort of answer to what should be happening and what should be done at least if you had to make a video game movie what game would you pick and how would you adapt it i.e how would you handle the switch to non-interactive um say that one more time if you were to pick what game would it be that you would pick if you were to adapt it into a movie and uh how would you handle turning it from non interactive to non interactive um so one of the ones i've kind of been interested in like i think bioshock would work for a movie just the the world of rapture being realized in movie form i feel like it could really work i'm um i'm actually on board with The Last of Us being a movie rather than a game i think it might work better as a movie um i'm in that camp as well so all of the and of course the idea of like transferring from interactive to non interactive is just the same way that movies usually function i would like references for the fans of the games um but i wouldn't want it to be too tight i guess i don't know how i'd handle it with the bioshock would it be an adaptation of the first game or would it maybe be you know before the fall for rapture or another person going through the the area i don't know yeah i'm not sure i would i would hard to say i think you can do a lot with it and it wouldn't have to be rapture specifically but rapture would be a good place to start because it's super interesting my god that luck just without a fight with three guys spawn mull trez and just kill them all i am okay with this um any games you'd like to see become movies at them games games that i would like to see movies i don't maybe karmageddon too hell yeah why not would you want to star main character uh well you know if they have a good deal going you know talk to my agent no yeah what the hell why not uh more since you're a fan of adventure time what's your thoughts on bravest warriors i don't know what that is is that like the other show that got made my memory's blanking on bravest warriors i'm afraid um you'll have to someone have to remind me of bravest warriors it well that should tell you enough i i don't have thoughts on bravest warriors it's familiar to me but for some reason blanking uh cobra kai succeeds at being a sequel in every way we wish modern star wars did watch the first three karate kid movies for amazing payoffs in the show that's what i've heard that um very respectful to the karate kid movies i think we many would consider that a plus when it comes to a lot of modern takes on past stuff get hell yeah you know you know you know hell yeah close thing to come again would be death race 2000 have you seen death race adam i have i've seen the original i don't there was a remake that i think i saw but i don't remember very well where they're like in prison um have you seen death death race 2000 remake i'm pretty sure i've seen death through the jason statham one yeah i've seen a statham isn't it yeah i think i've seen that too greetings greetings efap hello there more i made the mistake of watching your summer video before playing the game they were just too good excited to play it myself oh yeah go forth get immersed make your choices do your thing um the issue with the combat wheelchair besides the absurdity of wheelchairs in medieval settings is widespread healing magic really i guess if you're gonna give them a speciality they've people bound to wheelchairs heal people around them make that that lines up right yeah totally we we have a wheelchair we have like a we have a wheelchair girl on one of our scripts that tricks out our wheelchair with a bunch of stuff on it so yeah so it's not unheard of it's not i mean i conceptualize deal people with this magic i don't know though she has no magic she's actually abducted by a guy who is has a fetish for wheelchair girls girls in wheelchairs yeah quadruplegics i think you'd call them quadruplegics is it good or paraplegics yeah if if you have uh if you only have feeling in one arm and one leg are you technically still a paraplegic i don't know i'm gonna have to check google no it would be weird it would be weird you still have all your limbs and you can move them you just don't have feeling in half of them so you can jerk yourself off with one of your hands and it feels like someone else is doing it hmm well that that might be good right yeah that might be something people are into maybe there's a definition and you could look a word for that in google like erection plegic it would be your final entry because you'd be like halfway through your neck so only on the right side you would lose your ability you have a left leg and a left and a left arm but you'd still be a paraplegic right para as in two quadra as in four quadruplegic is from the neck down interesting but i was back when you could do interesting stuff oh yeah now i can't imagine like uh any guy like any wheelchair type fetish being in a movie maybe yeah maybe one of the videos i could roll with it oh one of the videos i plan to make this year is a thematic analysis and review of metal gear solid do you think there is an audience for this after all this time any advice would be appreciated sure there probably is i mean the fact that you want to see it done and you don't think it's quite been done yet i should tell you there's people out there and sometimes you don't make a video because there's an audience for it rather you have something to say people can listen for people promise me if it's execute great of course people you're gonna find an audience that's all point of it yeah because a lot i mean i'm assuming you guys the same but you must have seen a video at some point where you're like i have no idea what they're talking about but i'm interested i don't know what the subject is but i'm interested yeah that's great often be down to presentation uh y'all can't start an e-fap with the swats and the proto christians i need to know i'm ready i promise also hi rags hi sorry youtube won't let me post what rags said in english oh well was it related to nazis did we talk about nazis in the intro i can't remember i don't think so we often do hello but no we mentioned hitler him specifically him as a person greetings massives rags is you mando review just season one or is two in there as well it's going to be the first four episodes of the first season there's no way i can do one season in a video it's yeah i know this feeling it's complex uh and which resin evil movie did you dislike the least you know what i don't like that i like them all yeah i enjoy the show i like them all they were very enjoyable to watch they were they were a thrill um i've actually got my rankings right here let me scroll down all right in order of our favorites to our least favorites retribution afterlife apocalypse final chapter resident evil one and then extinction everyone should check out retribution just out of context it's a real good movie excellent it's amazing really pushes the boundaries on what can be considered a story they are all i mean like events happen yes like but do they look cool how cool do they do so they do look cool yeah resident evil is a meme in the coverage of the last one the rags myself very good that it'll be a while before you guys see it but we'll be so ready for it to be joined into the community once you do it's um something happens in the in the coverage of the wait seventh one was this seven or six is seven right one two after six okay well it's the sixth one then something happens and it's wonderful coming to a cinema near you uh more in ranks have you guys seen taxi driver yes yes we have of course it's one of them movies the ones that you're supposed to have seen a few review films and you're supposed to like it too like blade runner godfather um dark knight uh shawshank redemption what else are they what are like the the movies that you're not only supposed to have seen but you're also supposed to like them uh cat and hat yes cat and the hat definitely and it's to society and um be one of the door to the rings yeah i can say this point would you rather fight in world war two or the drug war you get to choose your side the drug war as the place yeah i feel like that would be safe right or safer yeah i feel like that would be way way safer and you're probably like you get to go home every night you know like it and there's a lot of things to do you'd probably just be a cop what if some of these drugs here i smell marijuana in your car i'm gonna search your car oh yeah you can't have this here's your citation or just like doing cop stuff cop stuff oh my god yellow cop stuff happened um when i said r rated is an anagram for the r word obviously did not mean the one with ed at the end you r rated id r rated retarded i think you're saying we're retarded how dare you i think he's saying he's retarded yes um also this will get past youtube's r rated word filter ah very good now how about an x rated toy story and his toys meet his mommy's toys oh no oh my gosh genius oh yeah we talked about that a little bit i think like the do dildos do they get a uh i don't know why i said it like that i don't i have no idea why i said it like that it just sort of came out um i have no idea if a dildo would have like a conscience no we can only hope ever it'd be like if it would be one of those i have no mouth and i'm a screen kind of things but i think they're sentient dude remember the chair speaker it was just a chair with the eyes oh yeah it's a chair with a face and that's it it could just be a chair yeah well and the next one says stop the gay i mean i think we should allow some gay you know just a bit of gay let us see pin see what happens spice things up s class may be the best class but a team reigns supreme overall a team for life oh hell yeah i saw that one go by uh Patrick Willems pot man pot turtleneck ball cringe my man part turtleneck all cringe i like that i mean it's an honest take you know any fans of the show dan versus the creators are trying to revive it look up dan versus revival to see how to help i have no idea what that is but i you know good luck to i have no clue doesn't ring any bells uh oh my god yes rags on s and a talking about vorsch is better than end game that's not that's not my game was all right sounds like he wants you to come on tomorrow out of context efab quotes you'll get your money when you fix this and then and we're yeah i remember that yeah that was funny wasn't regret nothing that's not even one of those out of context but we'll never forget that one that was a good moment the whole point is that it was absurd yes um this is he you know i died uh hey i was wondering what you guys think of neil gaming sandman he's one of my favorite authors and i've always been curious how it actually how good it actually is what do you guys think is it is it is it's weakest and strongest parts i have not read it neither am i adam it's up to you yeah i've read it sorry god damn it one reason i brought you on the show bullshit you told me i didn't have to read anything ten weeks ago i said read neil gaming sandman if you don't know fuck you up i'm going to read between the lines here yeah it was in the subtext the actual message was no you don't need to read any okay i killed myself twice as donkey kong i don't deserve donkey kong i've heard about sandman though as the comic yes i have heard good things you have to play classic mode now until we until we have the end we are we are coming to the end um so soon i know right uh oh wow out of context so wait i read that one already patrick had his chance true that's quickly becoming a great little means that fill in the blank had its chance yes patrick had his chance for what though that's kind of it right you're not great in that blank you saw glory um how is video popular not just like it's kind of crazy to me i can never really figure that stuff out sometimes you know youtube is just a strange beast it is the puppets here watch this okay sorry what that's what youtube says here watch this watch this write your brain but watch it you'll love it i swear the puppets in team america will police a better actors than gal Gadot better action scenes too oh oh such harsh hot takes from swatha the duke of wellington um i mean yeah you know they just have so much more emotional range i'm sorry yeah it was a lot more entertaining too they'd really string you along with those jokes oh done done uh how is wandavision so far hi everybody but rags oh wow i first question i have not seen episode six yet getting there yeah um it started out strong with the first two episodes then the third was uh it's just kind of all been downhill since the second oh i'm glad to hear that i'm losing interest as time goes on unfortunately well i think i want episode two or something and i had watched episode one and it was just kind of eh so and now i'm seeing ads for it everywhere and people are people really into it or people into it because they're supposed to be into it um i think people mostly really like it from what i've seen in general takes i i need to see it all honestly and then i can give away better understand i might even need to rewatch it if we do like an e-fab for it just going over all of it but i'm worried right now and i'm not happy with a lot of the choices they've made um but i'm you know i'll check it all out obviously i hope it'll be better i was disappointed by the lack of decapitations in the episode of course yes that was the main issue it would be if it was rated r it'd be good yeah no diss remit no disembowel man nothing good i hate it when the bowels remain connected to the person it's just wrong what the hell um scientists think a t rex penis was around 12 feet long wow 12 feet i don't know about that i don't i don't believe i don't i don't know about that rags you just have to believe come on no i okay so for reference the basketball hoop is 10 feet from the ground that plus a fifth i don't believe that if you said it's like if you said a whale i'd be like okay i could believe a whale has a 12 inch donger but a t rex i do not believe this did like a legendary throw just then but also i fully believe it and i believe that the creature was mainly just penis like the rest of it was sort of it's just a penis with two tiny arms now the two tiny arms makes sense right exactly it's like they don't need to be it wasn't even a it wasn't even like a reptile it was just a big penis this was like the missing link but in dinosaurs it's like oh we understand it now context thank goodness uh no way the t rex was as smart as a chimp i don't even think they were as smart as the smartest birds primates are op smart no lizard brain no way birds are completely smart birds are pretty smart yeah birds have shown a lot of intelligence yeah some birds are really smart you know where intelligence comes from you know how they measure it it comes from penis no it's a surplus brain capacity like it takes a certain amount of brain capacity to run your body and you have just so they can't breathe they will they they have a metric where they measure your body weight and the size of your brain and the size of your brain is bigger than enough that you need to run your body it's that surplus brain capacity and birds have it like in spades even though they have tiny brains because that's lightweight bodies yeah interesting everyone if you want to get smarter lose some weight there you go there you go that's the point adam was making 100% yeah glad you should yeah that's the moral that's the moral of the story that i got now we have the logical reason to fat shame people yay so i can believe that like certain dinosaurs were smart because you know dinosaurs became birds essentially um i don't know but this if that's true dinosaurs would have to be super dumb because they had huge gigantic bodies and very tiny brains so i doubt someone said t rex's were smart so maybe i mean besides maybe not all brains work exactly the same well maybe he had a big old chungus brain you don't know yeah maybe that they had big old brains in their head i don't believe it for one second now i'm told i'm i'm cancelling you for being a dine assist dig it yeah unacceptable bone bone tomahawk lunchbox of guy upside down scene yeah i feel like that's gonna be inappropriate for kid but you know what do i know kids these days they have opinions um speaking of a oh yeah i read that out can we get your take on major sam music video they're like two to four minutes long history plus music i don't have any context or idea what that's about major sam music video no idea uh rags we need a fun fact and or bible verse of the day oh yeah let me get my uh fun fact book oh wow all right yeah you can you it's just such a variety on the e-fap stream you know can't wait what's it about what's the fun fact of the let me get a good one here intelligence let's see um how many efforts you can use in a movie without getting an r rating what is it tell us i'm dying i guess if you needed to know a dime has 118 ridges around the edge oh my god well well blow your mind yeah about that oh okay this is going three of the first five u.s presidents john adams thomas jefferson and james monroe died on july the fourth i've heard that from somewhere else yeah it was i remember someone mentioning this fucking crazies whoa and one more fact about james madison the fourth president of the united states he stood only five feet four inches tall and weighed less than 100 pounds whoa well james was a little guy he's a little little prez little little twiglet little little prez boy prez lad he was a he was a he was one of our founding midgets founding midgets all right uh mues would you consider e-fap movies soul it's tizmy i saw the um the quickie review from yms seemed disappointing that uh the new soul movie in terms of like nothing makes any sense in terms of how the afterlife rules work but um yeah i don't know uh possible certainly no promise on that one uh where are we you're you primarily focus on writing when criticizing media correct yeah pretty much we're very into the writing more so than anything but we'll definitely mention other elements here and there also what was your final rating for iron man three and would it change if you factor in things like acting special effects etc um yeah well i mean they would probably matter ultimately right but like um i usually try and to to level the playing field uh i want to focus on talking about like the writing rating and um that's why we're often very dismissive when it's like oh the special effects from amazing stuff yeah they had lots of money that's true uh seems unfair sometimes that's all but um iron man three's rating i don't even know i can't even tell you what it is because i need to see it again it's been a while i just i remember a lot of what i didn't like about it but i'm not sure where i would place it on the scale uh have you guys watched kung fury if so some thoughts if hell yeah oh my god i love kung fury yeah i've definitely seen it i can't remember the last time i did though it's been a while but um i watched it recently the the kung fury feature length movie was supposed to come out this year i believe seems like i looked it up recently and it was like in post-production so any day now it's got Arnold Schwarzenegger in it oh what about blind fury oh that's uh rica howell right yeah legendary movie um but yeah uh it's good shit i like it a lot and uh if no i truly believe it would make a good e-fat movies it is short and free on youtube higher eggs hey i mean yeah that could happen some point um oh molly what is that you like watch it or something together is that what he's talking about yeah we have a series where we just watch movies and react to them and stuff oh it's chopped up to protect from copyright as you do you still haven't seen uh a hardcore henry no we have yeah we have oh you you have okay last time i was on you hadn't seen it isn't e-fat movies on it now if you search e-fat i'll go ahead and you come watch us watch it and react to it and so we eat yeah yeah crazy i lined it up on a call on stream of our we are kind you did i didn't know yes we are massive only molly when's the shadow fap happening hi adam um i am not against it happening whenever it's just a matter of finding the right topic and the right time for all of the shadow people do it if you haven't seen band of brothers you guys really should i swear the only thing wrong with that series is the damn long intro i have seen band of brothers very good either you guys see it no i have not band of brothers band of brothers yeah it's a mini series not not the show yeah yeah the show i haven't seen the show oh yes yeah uh it's a good recommendation chicken run but it's rocky being anti-semitic okay i mean yeah we wouldn't have found if it was it's oh you mean rocky that wrote i only read not rocky so that's just alone never mind carry on hey i can understand how the mistake is gonna say something about the jews and his voice but it doesn't even make sense anymore about it uh adam is it for e-fat movies please oh my god i'm not against that idea i guess we could probably find a movie you guys to watch with us if you want to the wonder woman 1984 is a great intro um well we've already done that for e-fat movies i'm afraid so did have you really oh my god hell yeah man that movie is incredible you know it's so much to talk about there is a lot to talk about definitely well um that is us caught up we did it sweet um thanks for having me on man well before we say such goodbyes adam why don't you uh why don't talk a bit about that that everything you're up to these days why should people subscribe to you what channel do you even wish to promote if you were doing one is is it your combo yeah that's tough because last time i was here i was like yeah i i think i pimped my short film which i don't know seems like nobody watched it so maybe i won't i'd have a short film carjackers for jesus you guys should check that out there you go from tons of hilarious a movie carjackers for jesus how could you go wrong with that so but obviously uh the ps a sitch on daily channel is a channel that i'm on once a week with sitch we do long form stuff like this uh i someone called me out for for lying about us being at show 126 i think we're at show 122 so we're nipping at the heels this year we're gonna pass them up we're gonna do a couple show two shows in one week and we're gonna beat them we're gonna beat you guys so well i do that and uh obviously we have the comic so super villain's anonymous that i wrote with ps a sitch so and once um one i'm super excited because once we send it out then we get your feedback you guys can love it hate it and you can you can savage it i think it's amazing i think it's never right in this town again kiddo having having a writing partner does help though because it you do have like sitch will tell me if what i'm writing is garbage and i'll tell sitch what he's writing i've told him many times this is garbage we need this has to be better so it is super helpful but you'll get to see our writing chops if you want to see my writing chops uh social justice detective is a short film that i made uh like youtube is not about short these short films i am very much from a filmmaker background so i would love to do short films but it's just really not you can't do that on youtube people are not that interested in man you should totally do more um video essay coverage on youtube at this point with your interest is like oh there's so much to like that i mean right we're doing this now for i've contemplated doing that i've contemplated doing that but i don't it just these all these videos are so much work it's so much easier just sit on a live stream and gab with you guys hey you know what it creates some interesting conversation about writing and that's what we're in it for they're all vehicles these people say really strange things and they go assays yeah what what do we think on these topics greats all the funsies yeah so yeah you can check check that stuff out that's enough shilling for me what's up what's next what's next oh we've got a couple more coming in uh mola gay of course 100 uh toy story but they reanimate sit into a toy to save him from sids and he has a breakdown also rocky would call ginger an oven dodger chicken run are rated is really just getting pretty edgy you know we have sonic to get in there do you do you avoid politics on this channel is it wrong of me to ask that or a little bit it when it pops up it pops up well we avoid it like it's we try to stick to writing it's like the main one but any tangents that are semi or vaguely relevant we're not going to like yeah like oh god we can't possibly talk about yes i think that's okay well i'm just i i did remember i'm doing like a weekly show with a friend of mine who's a total like woker than woke um documentary filmmaker and i've been doing he asked me to red pill him which i don't you know i don't believe you can change people's minds but i thought it would be interesting just to have conversations with him because he he definitely seems to be in the progressive bubble you don't think you can people have to change their own minds yeah i don't think you can i don't think you will get the information i think sometimes i was going to say like surely people can be influenced by you i do i do agree there but if like it's very difficult to change someone's mind unless they're it's a team thing they have to be on board with it don't you think i mean i i think that element's super important but at the same time if they are set in ways because of information and then you make them aware that that information is faulty yeah but most of time people don't accept that new information because it completely destroys their worldview can happen this is this is why this is why i'm i'm saying it so what we've been we've done we did one today we i've done like eight talks with him and people seem to be pretty furious about the talks but they it's like a train wreck they can't necessarily look away so your audience might be interested in that if they want to check it out if they're looking for content this is the thing everybody in this audience has probably got political views they might even consume political content and this is some of the stuff that you know who knows so yeah you can that that's on my adam friend at channel yeah i know i have a million channels but that's on my adam friend at channel it's uh like red pill it's like crazy sjw red pill like conversations or something like that i titled them differently every time i'm definitely not trying to cater to the algorithm so um toy story schindler's list edition i don't i don't think they ever made that edition but i'm certainly not against it in concept you know you're like artists really experiment uh caught up ha i still have four billion dollars to send hi rags hello feel free four billion dollar there happy birthday rags oh hi i'm gonna say it again now thank you very much happy birthday to you too yeah uh but yeah we are caught up and uh yeah i guess we you know for anybody who didn't know we've already uploaded another e-fap yesterday to mula it was um it was a bonus fap on the man of steel twin perfect video if you aren't aware that that thing has happened go check it out that was episode one two four this was one two five i believe which means we are officially halfway from 100 to 250 ranks is officially two and a half years we've been doing e-fap wow impressive time flies when you're having fun there's always that gap when you're having fun that's how to remind myself how much fun i was having sometimes it just blows you away and you forget absolutely yeah thank you all so much for hanging out with us from the kind donations and well you know just interacting it's been some good shisms we will be back right on well i guess next saturday that's at least tentatively who knows what we're up to between then and then then and then and then and now now and then there you're where it's okay um and yeah thanks of course to nidrotic adam and sish you guys very very very good guests we had lots of fun good topic yeah sweet and i watched it all good for you butter anvil he watched all of the episode i'm glad you had fun nice yes i watched i didn't watch all the episodes please no more filment but i think butter anvil has been watching my talks with isaac as well too he's a prolific super chatter over there i think isaac drives him insane oh yeah uh again thank you all for watching and we will catch you next time good night everybody and goodbye oh yeah good night everyone thanks for showing up see you later bye bark