 It's time for the Mac Geek Gab and listener pilot Pete. That's me brings you this week's quick tip If you have an Apple watch and it's in the always-on mode It's muted when you raise your arm and look at your watch as it comes to light all you have to do is say 20 minutes and it will automatically start a 20-minute timer for you or You could say 30 p.m. And it will set an alarm for you at 1 30 p.m. I discovered this quite by accident But it works give it a shot more quick tips like this plus your questions answered today on the Mac Geek Gab number 1004 for Monday October 16th 2023 Welcome to Mac Geek Gab. We are the show where we take your quick tips like that one We take your questions. We take your cool stuff found. We share them here. We try to answer your questions We pull it all together into an agenda such that We all have a great shot. We are all but guaranteed To each learn at least five new things every single time we get together Sometimes we even play that ding when we learn something especially good. I love that intro quick tip Pete That was fantastic. Love it sponsors for this episode include fastmail.com MGG where you can go get 10% off your first year of the email Service that I use and have been using for a long time Clean my Mac X you can go get 5% off of that at macpaw.app Slash Mac Geek Gab Of course, the links are always in the show notes and we'll talk more in-depth about that in a little bit for now Here in Durham, New Hampshire as far as I know I'm Dave Hamilton And here in leading the Hampshire It's pilot Pete good to be back and looking forward to seeing you at hockey tonight Dave hockey kicks off Unbelievable now boy time is going fast. Time is going fast. Our next quick tip comes from listener Tony Who says? It's been about a year since Apple added the unsend feature to mail that app on the Mac and He says I always got Flummoxed getting to the unsend link at the bottom of the mailbox sidebar quickly enough in order to unsend a message That I want to send and you can set the the timer to off or 10 20 or 30 seconds I'd like more we'll talk more about that in the episode. I've got I've got a solution perhaps Tony continues though. He says instead of having to hunt for that little Un-send little link I discovered yesterday that command Z will also Unsend a message as long as it's invoked of course within the specific time window the message doesn't get sent It just goes into a queue it waits the 10 to 30 seconds And then and then it's actually sent and at that point you can't unsend it because that's kind of impossible But but yeah, thanks for the tip. That's good to know. Yeah at the risk of going down a rabbit hole in quick tips and making this a slow tip I found that I will send a message and then immediately I'm a beck at my list of messages and then if I'm too quick to pull the trigger say I'm deleting Oh, I don't need that message and it goes into the trash bin and I go, oh darn it I want it back and I get command Z. I Unsend the message which hasn't gone yet. So that's frustrating So if they're if I'm understanding what you're saying correctly if there is a message in the The send queue in the queue. Yep. It's in the outbox queue command Z Regardless of what you've done since you triggered that message to send command Z will take priority to unsend the message It won't just undo the last thing you did correct. I can see that being good and bad It is yeah, that's a good thing, but then you have to go hunt your trash for what you deleted, right? But it's I don't like I'm not convinced. It's a good thing undo Should I as a user I expect undo to at the very least undo the very last thing The the most recent thing I did and in many apps and perhaps this is a bonus quick tip if you keep Undoing it will undo In series from yes, the most recent to the second most Go back seven or eight Undo to get there. So yeah, but I have found it to be very frustrating It's like darn it. I wanted to undelete the message not unsend the previous message, right? And yeah, that would be two clicks of the command Z So with any with any luck Apple if you're listening, maybe you could hit make it command you to unsend a message that works for everything Oh, and command Z could then take priority to the last I don't have mail running So I can't check this but I think command you mark some messages on red, but I might be wrong You may be right at the command something else. I don't maybe crazy All right, we do another quick tip and get out of this rabbit hole sure listener mark M says After hearing the notes discussion in MG g one thousand two Made me think about my notes set up one complaint I've had is by default Apple notes names are not very graphical to fix this and he's talking about notes folder names So I suppose you could do this with the names of the actual notes to sure He says to fix this you can add emojis to the names of your notes folders to add the icons Just go to iMessage click the oh he says so he describes you good using iMessage to to invoke the emoji browser and And and copy it to the clipboard and paste it there. You can also just invoke the emoji browser while typing or renaming a note with control command spacebar when you are typing text anywhere almost anywhere perhaps I should say the Control command spacebar invokes the emoji browser from a keyboard So see I have my function keys set up to invoke the emoji browser But control command spacebar also very good and to answer your question. Yes, you can rename a note because if you go look in our shared notes Yeah, we have a listener Joe with something later on in there and I went next to his name I invoked it and I looked for coffee and you'll see a little I I see the coffee Joe It's it's synced right down to me already be yelp. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so that is cool It's using that in names. No, it's really smart I I've already added it to a few of my notes folders because they are It's it. I don't know It's it's hard to find them sometimes and it's because I choose not to let them Thy folder names are sorted manually I think that's true for all of us because you can you can set the order and which I which is good, but But it you know, it's funny how the eye picks up on the emojis faster than letters Yes words that you're looking for. Yeah, we get we get blindness to To these sometimes so yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah My friend Jeff who works with us at Backbeat Media We were talking about Managing our email and I I mentioned to him actually to everybody in a staff meeting What I mentioned here on the show. I don't know for six weeks ago that I've really become Very bullish on signing up for email newsletters because for a while for me Facebook and Twitter and all of that became my way of following. I'll say brands it Could be whatever brand it could be and a lot of it is like bands to like without the R bands that I want to follow I want to know when they're playing but I know okay. I'm following on Facebook. I'm following on whatever. I'll see Their posts because I've chosen to follow them. Well, the algorithms have decided that They don't want to show me those posts from brands unless the brand pays to show me those posts, right? And and many other factors But paying is one of the things that will like surface even though I'm choosing to follow it Like if you're following that geek up on Facebook, you may or may not see everything that we post because Facebook gets to decide what you get to see and so I get sick of that and I have started signing up for newsletters And I'm managing my news folder. I use sane news Sane box to put things into a news folder and then I can manage that similar to the way that I manage spam well Jeff Came up with a different way of doing this. He said he created a completely separate gmail account just for his newsletters and So he used and he has that linked in his mail client and stuff so he can look at it However, he wants he could certainly look at it on the web on gmail, too but this way whenever he signs up for a newsletter, he uses this completely separate email account and It serves the same purpose in that it compartmentalizes All of his newsletters into one spot, which means he is intentionally going to a spot To read the newsletters They're not showing up just in the stream of his inbox for me seeing newsletters in my inbox is a waste of time I will delete them every time because I'm not in the the mind space where I want to read newsletters I'm triaging email right so He's solved that problem by just having a separate email account that newsletters go to and then he's good to go So I I'd like the idea and that's why I'm sharing it. Yeah Okay Well, I like that better than even my my own solution to this then but I still like my solution in the sense of This works for other things as well because I use it to find out If I'm getting spammed by a company Duck duck go email. Yeah go to duck duck go go He's free to say duck duck go dot com slash Email, I think it's slash email might be slashing. We'll link it. We'll link it the show notes And set up set up an account using your primary email address Okay, that it will automatically forward to and then you can generate infinite numbers of email addresses That will forward to your inbox and at any point in time if you're getting spammed by that Company or email you can turn that email address off and then it just goes to the ether. It doesn't get to you anymore Got it. So and then what I would My additional portion of that solution then would be for newsletters to come in and go into a separate Email box or in if it's if you're using a gmail it would go to a separate Tag. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, right. Yeah, but yeah, I get what you're saying So it gets it gets filed for you and then you would intentionally go to that that email box to get it But I have been using duck duck go email To great success. I absolutely love being able to turn off an email address is you know, hey sign up and get 10% off Okay, here we go. Thanks very much. Now turn that email address off. Yeah, I don't want to hear from you over and over I like that idea. That's good. Yeah Yep. Yep. Yeah, there's a lot of ways to uh To skin this particular cat lack of a more correct. Oh, now we're in the animal cruelty. I see Dave All right, I see how well because we're having so much fun pronouncing duck duck go today Chicago Tom shares He says I typically browse the internet with safari in private Browsing mode among other things the private windows prevent sites from tracking your browsing in other open tabs I think that's also true in regular open tabs too, but it but yeah, fine uh, he says iOS has allowed users to select their default browser for some time That is true. Uh, he says You can switch your default from something like And and you can also switch your default search engine In uh safari and they've allowed that for some time So you can switch the default search engine from something like google to something like duck duck go Which doesn't track you as much? They're still using bing as their as their engine So there's some question about whether bing is getting the ability to track you via duck duck go But we'll we'll leave that okay for another discussion. However Uh, Chicago Tom says did you know that with iOS 17? You can also define a separate search engine for private browsing This can allow you to use duck duck go only when browsing privately to add that extra layer and google when you're not Or however else you want to do it and you do it in settings safari on the iphone So you launch the settings app on your iphone or ipad Go into the safari section and you can set search engine and now private search engine and safari 17 Not to be confused with iOS or ipad os 17 But safari 17 on the mac which comes with mac os sonoma, but is also Something you can download for prior versions of mac os and update to safari 17 if you go into Uh preferences or settings however it it appears for you and go into search You can also set A main search engine and a private browsing search engine in safari On the mac as well. So yeah, there you go. Thanks Chicago Tom good stuff That's slick. It is slick. It is slick. Do you have anything to add to that peep before? I haven't downloaded safari 17 yet, but i'm about to Interesting. All right. Should I do it right now during the show? See if I think that's a great idea. Yeah Okay, see you guys next week. Okay. Thanks peep. Yep. Thanks for being here. Yeah, because I may not be back once Good luck to you. Yeah Uh pence kola craig brings us our next quick tip and uh, he's he points out That he says, uh, I was managing I have I have iCloud and hotmail email accounts Configured on my mac and I can see and process both of them in one place which works very nicely for me He says but I rarely use my hotmail. So I don't notice much beyond Much about the traffic in that account But that one gets a lot of junk mail and I've started paying more attention to that and clearing it out What I discovered he says which really surprised him is that if you right click And choose the option for erase junk mail. So you right click on the junk folder You choose erase junk It erases junk for all Accounts says I was clicking into the specific junk mail folder for my hotmail account And it erased junk on all the accounts And the same happened right clicking on the trash folder and choosing erase deleted items This removed them from the trash in both my iCloud and hotmail accounts. I did not know this I don't know how long it's been like this. He says but I wanted to make sure everybody knew I treat that as a PSA. Thank you. Pensacola craig. That's Yeah, that could be a bad thing I mean because you haven't gone through to make sure you don't have something you want in it. Yeah in another folder I'm surprised it doesn't pop up and like warn you That like that just seems to be one of those things where I don't know I guess I guess enough people have not been burned by this or haven't noticed they've been burned by this Such that apple hasn't deemed it necessary to warn people. Hey, Dave. I'm gonna uh Go back in time here just ever so briefly. Yes, Jim Dowson put in facebook comment You could use your email address the plus sign and a tag at domain.com to also That that's a good way to To get email filters, although if you have a human back there on the other side They'll learn to take that tag off and sell you an address anyway Doesn't even need to be a human so because it's a really easy thing for a computer to parse a plus sign To the left of the at sign. So what what jim is correct? There is an official standard It's an rfc out there about email that says mail servers should and most do iCloud does uh Gmail does but most of them do If you're mail if like my mail is like, you know, Dave at Dave.com It's not but if my mail is Dave at Dave.com or me at Dave.com whatever I could put in if I have that account that address I could put in a plus sign between The email name and the at sign. So it would be Dave plus send spam to me Right exactly it'd be Dave plus send spam here at Dave.com or or you know, I have I have Dave hamilton at gmail.com That is actually an address of mine. I can't use it for anything because so many people in the world Think their email address is Dave hamilton at gmail.com And so that really it all it has is an autoresponder that says you didn't reach the Dave you're looking for Um, because I figured I can do a public service with this So and it's not just one guy like it's lots of people so it's not like I could even say hey, man You should have this address. No, there's too many of them. Um, I get bank login stuff like it's really It's a good thing. I'm a generally uh, ethical generally honest. Yeah, yeah, generally honest Yeah I don't know if that's the uh, I don't know if that's the show title. Generally honest. Yeah um But I could do Dave hamilton plus mg g at gmail.com and you know sign up for the mackey cup newsletter at mackey cup.com with that address and then I would know That anything that came into Dave hamilton plus mg g at gmail.com. I could filter by that And and do whatever I wanted But I would also know that if spam started coming into that address It came from those guys at mackey cup and maybe they're not as generally honest as they say they are, right? You know, but we don't sell your but if then and then let's say you did sell that email address to google Sure, they could sell it to millions of other people. Yeah, that was my point is they could then go in and just go Well, we'll remove that tag and send it. Absolutely. You know, yeah Yeah, because it's an rfc because it is a standard It's very I mean it's like I even well I was going to say even I could write the regular expression to strip that out But chat gpt in about four seconds could write the regular expression to strip out the plus tags of email addresses So yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I think they call it plus addressing. So I will I will link to something about that. Yeah Lou in Vermont shares the Lou the next quick tip here He says, uh, we're cruising in the Mediterranean right now And my wife and I are on t-mobile t-mobile and love it. Love it. Oh man v's and b's Uh, love it at home But especially when traveling internationally with free high speed data and text and 25 percent 25 cent per minute calls No sims or e-sims to deal with he says, but I can kick myself when I forget to put my phone into airplane mode After returning to the ship at the end of a day in port As a cruise of yourself, Dave, you know that if you're not in airplane mode The phone will automatically connect to the ship cell tower after it pulls out of port Running up an exorbitant phone bill. That's true if you leave roaming on Which you would because you're a t-mobile customer and you get the included things So this makes sense more than once he says I've forgotten to activate airplane mode and I got caught After we embarked a few days ago I decided to investigate whether there might be a way using shortcuts to turn airplane mode on every day Automatically at a set time. I'm not sure if you already have this shortcut working for you But if but for fellow cruisers who may not Uh, you can just you create a shortcut the action is of course set airplane mode to on and then you Run it by with an automation of time of day and you select the desired time and you're good to go and it will work and That's it. It just turns airplane mode on at a certain time. You could have it turn it off at a certain time And that should do it and of course airplane mode remembers its Settings from the last time you used it, which means that if you have enabled wi-fi while in airplane mode Then when airplane mode turns on with the shortcut wi-fi will remain enabled for you So if you're on if you're choosing to be on the ship's wi-fi then or your home wi-fi if you're using this for a different purpose then Then you know, you'd be good to go there So you could probably geofence it too if you wanted to get really fancy Yeah, but the ship's in a different spot every day. Well, maybe it is maybe it isn't Okay, that's fair. That's fair. Maybe sure. Yeah Sure, so Yeah, and I remember the horror stories back in the early days of the iphone and mail and traveling overseas Remember, you know people getting thousands of dollars. Oh, yeah for you know, if that stuff working in the background Low data mode folks Low data mode and keep your Unless you have specific reason not to the general advice is keep your phone's Main plan with data roaming turned off. Yes, and then that that Those two things should really that's what I do on my phone And it really helps compartmentalize me and and keep me from getting caught so But for those of you that need to do it another way lose shortcut We've also had people use a similar shortcut if they are In a week like If they're if they're on a data limited plan and want to ensure that they are not Using any cell data well at home They do geofence that right because they know that their phone will connect to wi-fi at home in general And so they geofence it so that when they get home it turns off It turns on airplane mode and when they leave home, it turns off airplane mode So you could you could do that too like yeah, yeah shortcuts and automations they're They're weird and that they're you know their own sort of paradigm to think about but I think I'm I'm finding shortcuts handier and handier every day So we even moved our notes creation script. We had this script that we used in apple script for years to take a Anything a pdf for an image And create a note that goes into our shared folder. We used it with evernote for a long time earlier this year We migrated over to notes Apple scripts notes support is Wonky at best. Yeah Yeah, that's a good word for it It like the dictionary looks clean and clear and then you invoke it and especially with attachments. It just gets super It's adding double attachments, which literally causes notes to crash. It's crazy I rewrote it as a shortcut and it works flawlessly. So you know think about Think about shortcuts versus apple scripts when you're doing things If you're having trouble with one try the other you might I wish I had thought of that Six months ago because it would have saved me I don't know probably 30 to 40 hours of Of head head banging with apple script. Yeah, I noticed that flat spot over your forehead there Yeah, yeah head banging with apple script, man. Yeah, that's uh, that might also be the title of the show um One last quick tip comes from Todd who points out an interesting thing. Have you ever been to amazon? And they have all the images right for the product that you're looking at on amazon But you want to copy that image to share in some way and amazon doesn't make it easy because it's all very Javascripted right you pick the you know, there's maybe five images in the little carousel You pick one of them and when you float your mouse over it to copy it it goes into like zoom mode. Well Todd figured out the trick. He says go to amazon find the product hover over the image You know choose it on the thumbnails and then hover over the main image, right? And then he says right click on the image. This will bring up the contextual menu Within the contextual menu or sorry while the contextual menu is on the screen So you're just bringing it up. You're not selecting anything from the contextual menu But while that's on the screen move your cursor Over the larger image so away from the contextual menu Right click again and select open image in new tab And it works This is how this is how you trick safari into stopping the javascripting that it's doing to like zoom in on the image But is by right clicking and opening up the contextual menu Then you can right click on the image and have it like act like safari normally does so so quick question. Yeah, man You got a trackpad Right click. Is it the two finger tap? I can't I can't seem to get it to work, but uh, Yeah, I yeah, I was able to do it in my office I I actually have a mouse up here in the studio, but but yes, I was able to yeah, because it it's the Two finger double finger tap. Yeah. Yeah the double finger tap. Yes. Yes, or you could control click Like that is always like the right click is control click. Yeah, that's what I thought Did that not work? 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Yeah I'm impressed kudos to you sir He said that 950 gig library lives on an external two terabyte hard drive attached to his 2018 mac mini I recently turned on iCloud syncing and opted to retain the original photos and videos locally on my external drive He says now I'd like to replace the five year old external drive with a new ssd Searching the topic online I've seen posts saying that this is as easy as copying the photos library to the new ssd Then pointing the photos app to the new location Other posts suggest that changing this location this way will cause photos to perform some sort of reconciliation process Managing each photo or video with the version stored in iCloud one by one, which could take weeks They further suggest that it's better to start working with an empty new library on the ssd and then sync everything back down to the ssd from the cloud Any thoughts on either of these approaches? Many thanks in acuoso. I think I got it right that time. I think you did. Yeah um So I I've done both and this was a thread in our discord listener ben um Advised taking the first approach of just copying the library over to the new drive and and then telling photos that it's there And you would tell photos that it's there well if you unmount the so the process would be quit photos first And really even like It would be even better to sign out of iCloud photos because it keeps running a process in the background But you're kind of going to be okay Because i've done it this way and haven't really worried about it. So quit photos though Copy the photos library from, you know, one drive to the other then Unmount the old drive right so that you know that it's not there This is where things might get tricky because with iCloud photos running in the background it might not let you unmount the old drive so Yep, so you you might you might need to shut down the mac and unplug the drive And then start it back up at that point. You're going to be fine And then once you launch photos it'll say I can't find your photos library. Do you want to point to a new one? However, you can avoid some of that headache by relaunching photos and then immediately immediately pressing the option key This will bring up the browser that lets you I think it's the option key that does this someone in the chat will correct me if i'm wrong That will let you pick Which photos library you want to launch? Choose the one on your new disc. You're going to have to go and like point to it, which is fine Then once you've launched photos go into photos settings and set the current library as the quote-unquote system library That's what will make iCloud photos you use it So That that that's the path The the other path of course is as as he said just start a new library Which you would also do by launching photos with the option key down And then just say create new library and have it save a blank one on there the Oh, then then You would just log that into iCloud set that is the system library and have it pull everything down I've done both of these things and I and I will pick you in a second p But I just wanted to share I've done both of these things recently um The I did the latter one not because I thought it was a better path But because I wanted to see on lisa's computer if pulling a fresh copy of her photos library down from iCloud would Result in a smaller Library on her mac I have it download all photos right because we want to keep a local copy of it. So all that's there She We did that with her machine. We had it slurped down The fresh library it was I think she's got almost 500 gigs worth of photos. It was like 480 something The new library was within five gigs of the old one So photos does a really good job It either does a really good job of pruning out old things and keeping the library managed Or it does an awful job and sinks all of the cruft up to iCloud and back down again So I don't know which it is. I'm guessing it's the former though. So either way doesn't matter That's her iCloud photo library. So I yeah, yeah either either one of these is fine If you've got unlimited bandwidth and you want to potentially You know deal with any cruft that's there the ladder is fine by slurping it down, but otherwise just copy it over You're good to go Heat my question is can you do the first method? Yeah, without creating incredibly difficult headaches for yourself by Naming the new drive identical to the old drive probably not Because I because it would recognize it's a different drives have unique identifiers And so I don't know so the computer is going to use the identifier not the not the drive name. It might Yeah, but it really this like what we're talking about here is not an awful headache If when I have done this the path I have taken is quit photos Copy right do the copy then launch photos with the option key down point it to the new one and tell the system That's the new iCloud library. Let's say that the copy takes a full day, right? Uh, if during that time I take five pictures with my iPhone that autosync to the iCloud library I don't know if they would have copied over right because it depends on when The finder copied things sure right and so with that I But it doesn't matter because photos will figure it out once I tell it that this new library is the iCloud photos library It is going to compare it But I haven't seen that take a lot of time or processing power and then it'll be like oh I don't have these three of these new five photos. So I'm just going to slurp them down from my cloud All right, everything's good. Like it's just been fine. So I I would take the Take the easy button. Yeah. Yeah, my my My suggestion don't do it. I think you're asking for more problems More problems with what? Well, we're trying to identically name the drive. Oh, don't do that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. Yeah Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah um I had a thing about This and I don't know what I did to myself with it. I created a little note for myself and everything. Oh, yeah um speaking of copying things and this started in um Monterey, believe it or not And I was copying a bunch of data this morning in in in a sense like a photos library Right like a big folder of gigabytes of stuff And it was across the network even for whatever reason It stopped halfway through. I got the you know, could not complete this operation Error negative eight thousand four and I'm like, come on So I went to where the destination was to erase it so that I could you know bring it back in from scratch again and I noticed that the in the finder the Icon for the folder that was like the half successful copy had a little like Arrow in a like a circular arrow in it like a clock Yeah, and almost like the time machine thing but not quite and so I clicked it and it said Copying of this folder name has paused you can finish copying now or keep a resumable copy and finish later And so I said great and I chose finished copying and it immediately resumed from where it was I checked the contents of the folders against each other. Everything was identical when it finished All good. I I had no idea that this was there I So I would presume that I might not be the only one Somebody at apple figured it out. Yeah, but evidently this has been there since Monterey So like it's it's not it's not um, it's not new but there's there's like your bonus little quick tip for today. So Yeah, yeah, yeah Uh, let's go to gino. Shall we pete? I will uh, I will show we shall Yeah, this one probably a quick question, but a good one especially is we're you know We're all in the transition phase. Yeah, exactly exactly Gino says I backed my 14 inch MacBook Pro up to an external drive before updating to sonoma He says now I'm not sure if I am okay to back up the present data To the same drive. This is my first major update and I could use your advice So this is a time machine backup and yes, absolutely time machine will will let you Use the same drive across operating system upgrades and and it should just be fine So especially since you just started this backup, there's no I don't think there's any reason to say well Wipe it clean anyway or start with a different one. I wouldn't necessarily wipe it clean Um, the only reason you might not want to is if there's something about Either sonoma or that backup that you want to preserve in time But otherwise, yeah, I would I would just back up to the same drive for sure Yeah So I don't know if you have no yeah Uh Are you bringing cruft over that's the only right, right? Yeah, exactly and I would say Probably not because you don't back up time machine doesn't back up operating system. Yeah, you're just your data. Yeah, right, right Okay, yeah um PC unix has Yeah, PC unix has a really interesting I'll share it as a public service announcement. He says my apple tv 4k was hooked to an lg tv Initially all was fine sometime in the last year I started experiencing problems where the lg would not turn on when the apple tv turned on the fix was simple Wait 30 seconds then turn off the apple tv then turn it back on and then the lg would turn on always I bought a new lg tv It does the same thing That's interesting. I swapped in a new hdmi cable same thing I know other people that have lg tv's. I'm one of them don't have this problem same setup So he says it has to be the apple tv box and he said, uh He went to the uh somebody else Uh posted matt one posted and said I had similar issues Called apple support. They scheduled a genius appointment for me I brought the apple tv in and their solution was to swap it out for a replacement apple tv That solved all the issues I was having So a fascinating little tale of Yeah So some apple tv's don't sync properly with some lg tv's I like that that would be the Yeah So there you go If you if you're having this problem Try a few other things, but know that you might just need to swap out the apple tv It's evidently apple knows about this. Yes, yes, they do and it's cheaper than a new lg tv You're right, right? Yep Uh Next question. Yeah crazy ninja papa. Yeah crazy ninja papa Says I have a synology disc station a ds 19 918 plus Uh, he says that I really only use for plex Download station via vpn and a home file server We are an apple only house and i'm thinking of replacing it with a mac mini And or any advice so my advice is, you know, 10 000 foot view general advice You'll find that most things require the same amount of effort or difficulty to set up on each like but In that you already are comfortable with the synology Uh operating system, right? If you're having to learn that for the first time then there's that sort of level of difficulty It's not hard, but it it's different. You don't you don't know what you don't know, right? Yeah, exactly Um, some things some engines will be easier to set up on one versus the other But in general it's just going to balance it out However, you will almost certainly find that your mac mini will be way Faster than almost any disc station that you would choose to buy for your home um You might need the one thing And and I don't know that this is necessary But just think about this a lot of the things that we wind up running on our disc stations, especially over time Are things that aren't available as native synology packages and therefore we run them in docker containers So but docker can run on the mac just fine It's all good and and again it will run faster than it would on your synology disc station That said we were talking about this in the pre-show And tennessee papa commented that his mac mini runs his channels dvr server an ad guard home dns server It all it does run docker, but I want to come back to that So we'll forget for a moment that it runs docker So channels dvr ad guard home dns server a wired guard server home bridge for home kit And he says it barely uses more than 2 of the cpu and I asked how many of those engines needed to run inside a docker container And he said he really only has one thing running inside docker And it's a custom little thing that really he didn't even mention here So i'm not even going to confuse things with it. So all of those things plus I know for a fact that plex can run as a native mac app So all of these things can run without docker That's interesting to me. So if you've got an extra mac mini laying around Maybe maybe I think yeah, and my observation on that dave was that A mac mini may be substantially cheaper than a synology and many drives um Explain that to me. I because because for me a refurbished mac mini for probably about 600 bucks And by the time you do a synology and and four drives or three drives, you're You're coming up on a grant For sure, but but the mac mini doesn't like if you're just gonna if you're okay not having Channels and plex and well, but if you're okay not having redundant Storage fault tolerant storage, right exactly again. It depends on what your what your usage need is, right? I want to have be able to have a drive fail and not lose My photos library. Well, I don't keep it on that on my nas but right now you could create your own um Raid on your mac and and and then manage it that way back up to my Synology, you know, and that's something that I want to be reliable But but and I'm just going to point this out is that You have a mac mini and a synology. Well, Dave now you're splitting here Well, but what I'm saying is yes, you have the fault tolerance because you have all those drives and if you were to like the the price of A disc station empty versus the price of a mac mini that would run all this stuff You're right that there's not much of a difference there Like but the mac mini is probably going to be a little more expensive But as soon as you start adding drives, no the mac mini does come with one drive You can't buy a bear a bear metal mac mini at least not from apple Maybe somebody will sell you one But so but you might wind up adding some drives to it But I think I think your your point Is is valid here in that the cost delta of the hardware between the two is going to be Mostly negligible You may choose and you could run your Synology with just one drive as well No one few people do But you could do it like and get all the functionality. You just don't get the fault tolerance So and what I have done is off my mac mini I've hung a five terabyte solid state drive and that's where all my channels DVR recordings go and where my plex media is And you know what if I lost it It you know so so be it that can all be replaced That's interesting So you're running channels off of a solid state drive and not beating up your Array in your Like it like a rate. Yeah, that's you're beating up a solid state drive, but you know, yeah Yeah, but it's a it's a five terabyte solid state drive. I'm sure I paid less than 200 dollars for it And five terabytes. I'm 99 sure. I'll verify that. You bet. Pete. No, there's no way a five terabyte SSD First of all, I don't know of any of those Yeah, well Like I know an eight tear. Oh, you can find an eight terabyte one, but it's like two grand or something You don't have a five terabyte. It may be a spindle drive, but I don't think that would make more sense It's like like a two terabyte External ssd. It's gonna be somewhere. We just talked about it in the last episode It was like, you know, it's gonna be somewhere between a hundred and yeah, so yeah Yeah, but still like that's an interesting thing I hadn't thought about that for the like especially channels where it's just constantly recording and deleting and recording and deleting and recording That's terrible for an ssd. Right. It will wear out an ssd However For a hundred bucks for a couple of terabytes like fine, you know, it's gonna last you five years before you wear it out so Yeah Huh now you've got me thinking because like I run a for a different business that we have I run a bitcoin node on my My disk station and I initially I knew that I shouldn't do this and I didn't think I was doing it But I made the mistake of not pointing the docker container for, you know bitcoin d At an ssd that I have hanging off of my disk station I just let it do the default and it pointed at the The you know the the main array in there and it was like why are these drives just crunching? All the time all the time it was like we forgot to point it at the ssd So we copied it over and we pointed at the ssd and now it's quiet and everything everybody's happy But again, I know that it's going to beat up the ssd, but it's fine. I just you know Like the bitcoin network lets me sink that down again. So it's exactly so well here Here's a quick question then so i'm looking at my at my drive. It is five terabyte drive Is there a way to tell using disk utility whether it's spindle or ssd? I don't think there is um No disk utility In the name of I don't want to launch disk utility on this machine But it's certainly I I think I've seen it in like system information So you could look there. Okay, but yeah, you should be able it'll know whether it's rotational or not. Yes Yeah, yeah But this isn't like I think there's a bigger conversation. We've gone down a rabbit hole here I know I'd like this rabbit hole in that it like my in my brain SSDs are are these super expensive things and they are still more expensive than spindle drives for sure But they're like the actual dollars difference Isn't all that huge right because we know you can get a usb You know two terabyte drive for like 119 bucks. We just you know, we just talked about that so like thinking about ssds as kind of The the drives that the temp storage drives that we're just like, oh, yeah, we can wear that out. That's fine. It's small So that's that's fine It's it's a different paradigm and I don't know that I've ever stopped to think about this before until we started answering this question so Like this is why I love doing the show because we get to dissect these things together And and we learn stuff like, you know, where's the uh, there it is like I think They yeah, I taught myself a thing by rambling there you go Well, I can tell you this it's a western digital easy store two or five terabyte external drive, which tells me it's a spindle That is a spindle. I was I was mistaken, but that that's okay. It opened up the door like we're we're here. I like it um while we're talking about uh usb and thunderbolt walter has An interesting anecdote to share and we need to parse this properly He says it back in the last episode 1003 you talked about booting a mac mini Somebody had bought a mac mini with the tiny ssd and you talked about booting it from an external ssd And that advice all sounded good. He said accept my personal experience Says that this might be a path of woe Uh, he says I don't recommend it. He says I attempted this for many months With lots of headaches and many calls to apple support. I we're going to share the details here, but I will say He found a way of doing this that that does work reliably, but there are a couple of paths that don't Um, he says with apple silicon He says it seems they fundamentally changed a few aspects with security First off, this is only possible to boot externally with a true certified thunderbolt ssd Not the ones that you might buy that are thunderbolt compatible like the usb 3.2 Whatever those are amazon listings can be very misleading You need to buy an actual thunderbolt ssd to do this. He says don't do it with a usb um ssd and he said uh At boot it seems that the device the mac mini in his case locks down the io ports But due to the handshake between thunderbolt ports apple can leave this open and bootable He says I had many runarounds trying to figure this one out and had bought quote-unquote thunderbolt ssd Uh online and so I was confused Also during this time I found out that apple silicon needs Wired or apple supplied keyboards and mouse at boot if you want to control things I've certainly found that to be easier although I have gotten it to work with a wireless keyboard, but maybe that's that's different But um, so it's not to confuse the issue that the thunderbolt Boot from if you want to boot an apple silicon mac from an external drive Make it a thunderbolt drive not a usb drive at least based on walters experience So I wanted I wanted to share that and contextualize it. I I have only ever tried it with thunderbolt To uh drives and it has worked fine. So I have not tried booting An apple silicon mac with an external usb But I thought it was doable like I I thought yeah, I always would have thought it would hold the option key and it would Yeah, it would see it and and there you go. So I they are but Is that didn't work for him? Yeah, but but like that's not auto booting, right? We're holding down the option key We're getting a step in I like I don't know I've I've certainly done it with a usb stick and that has worked So the question is Would it work With uh, you know, I've drive just plugged in and let it boot. I thought it would Evidently it doesn't with some and maybe he's talking about an m2 mac mini And maybe there's a difference. I've I've only ever tried it with m1 machines. I think I can So maybe there was a difference in the security between the m1s and the m2s I don't know But just be aware if you're having trouble getting it to boot And it's a usb drive. You're not alone other people aka walter have experienced this right to share it so but I am currently booted my Mac studio in the studio, which is really weird for years I have this the room that I'm in is the studio, you know And uh, it's the podcast studio. It's the music studio. It's the studio the previous max that we're in here We're all iMacs. So their names on my network were iMac studio Now a studio studio. Now I have a mac studio studio. I have a studio mac studio So it's very strange figuring out how to name this and I don't know that I've gotten it right, but yeah but anyway, uh, this is the first apple silicon mac that I've had in the studio and So I Decided for this week to try using mac os ventura here I can't run sonoma in the studio because the thunderbolt drivers for my personas quantum interface aren't there yet Um for sonoma, but they are certified for ventura. So I am running in ventura figured I should give ventura a shot on the Apple silicon machine up here see how the core audio Bug works. I've it definitely still exists. It seems knocking on wood To be not quite as bad, but we'll see I'm I reserve the right to go back to monorail So Because because you like beating your head against the wall. Yeah, I do. Well, yeah Yeah Jed has a question for us pilot pete and I swear I'm gonna find it here Our new name wants to know about email clients as I recall Yeah, I I knew e naming system of our notes is I I'm not used to it yet But I it has some fundamental flaws that we might need to talk about but in any event I I'm here now. He says, um, I have three different gmail accounts and Keeping them. I like keeping them checked but separate uh The one difficulty he says is I don't use or like apple's mail app Okay, that's fair. He says I use the gmail app on my phone Uh, I use the web interface. He says here's my question I'm on two volunteer boards and have a separate email account for each I could have gmail or apple mail Combine the accounts with my personal work email But I'd rather keep them a little separate to prevent me from responding or sending from the wrong email So I could use three different email apps, but is that crazy? I'm curious as to your thoughts on how to manage this So I have a lot of thoughts because I've been thinking a lot about email recently just last week We did an email hangout and I've made some changes to my life based on this conversation. We've had which I'll share in a minute Uh You have a lot of options here. I know you don't like apple's mail app But it it's important to acknowledge that apple's mail app could handle this for you and it would do it very well Apple's mail app lets you have multiple accounts and you can see the inboxes separately or you can see a unified inbox And then of course you could use smart folders to see a customized View of whatever you want that to be so for that like you're going to be Like apple's mail could do this apple's mail is also fantastic At replying from the address to which the message was originally sent so the The chances because I I have lived in apple mail like this for well over you know well over a decade And it They're like the number of times that I have replied from the wrong address I can count on one hand And a hundred percent of those are when I was like bcc or a mailing list and mail just couldn't tell what it came into However, I'm using One email account and multiple aliases whereas you're using three different email accounts So for you mail would know which address it was sent to even on a bcc Because it came into that one account So it will use the default address of that account Which for you is going to be the only address because you're not going to have aliases And it's going to get it right a hundred percent of the time I I really I feel confident saying that so apple mail would do this As would pretty much any other email client that supports multiple accounts. They're all really good at this particular thing So like you could use multiple email clients But I would use I if you don't like apple mail fine But my default would be to recommend apple mail for this Just put all the the things in there and then you can you know use it and and compartmentalize it to your heart's content If you don't like apple mail Or if you do like apple mail, but like me Apple mail is now in macOS Sonoma missing lots of features that you rely on aka support for plugins and things thinking So I I peat have moved to a new email client Okay, I started thinking about all the little apple focused email clients out there and spent a lot of time Trying to figure out why the folks at spark or the folks at reedl want to force me to use threads in order to use spark My my brain doesn't work in threads. I like to manage email without threads It's fine if you do like to use it with threads, but spark forces me to and and they're Their support team is like well if you can give us an example as to why you would want to use it without threads Uh, then we're happy to consider making this feature change And so I I was like well the reason I want to use it without threads is my brain doesn't work well that way Like it's you you say it's inefficient for you to use it Without threads. I say it's inefficient for me to use it with threads. That's my reason They have all kinds of support articles about why they Think threads are the best and so it's like you people know this is a problem. Anyway, so I can't use that and then thank goodness because It made me realize that there's another mail client that I have on my mac and it's a mail client that I use For like anytime mostly I've used it for anytime a staff member like leaves the company I still want to check their email, but I don't want to integrate it with my Main email right like I so And this other email client and I'm intentionally being cagey about this. Let's me set up multiple profiles So when I launch it I can choose. Oh, let's go check greg sniders email because greg, you know I bought him out of backbeat media. He was my partner when we started I bought him out over a decade ago or You know, I check john donahue's email or whatever and I can choose and see their entire account But only their account and switch between the profiles Of course, you can have a profile load at default and the email client. I'm talking about is thunderbird It is built by the mozilla foundation the same people that bring us firefox. They've been developing thunderbird for Well over a decade if not more it is cross platform. It's not going anywhere. This is my big concern with Changing my email world to a new client is I want something that I'm pretty sure is going to remain in active development And I'm pretty sure thunderbird is going to remain in active development history is a good indicator of this They just released a Like a fairly sizable Paradigm shift update back in june or something that they call thunderbird supernova So I was like, wait, why don't I try thunderbird? Will it solve all of my problems? And the answer was yes They let me manage my email aliases with so much granularity. It's ridiculous In fact, I don't need plugins to do all of the things that I was doing in mail except one But the good news is thunderbird has great plugin support and oh, it's also cross platform So plugins that are developed for thunderbird work in thunderbird It doesn't matter whether you're running it on a mac or a windows machine or a linux machine So again lots of community support the one plugin I run It's called send later because I want to be able to control when messages get sent and I can completely so I I have moved everything to thunderbolt the thunderbolt Thunderbird in the last three or four days and I'm I'm in it like I'm so you need a thunderbolt cable for that day or is that? Sorry I knew it. I knew it as soon as I said it as soon as you said it pete's gonna make me pay for this Yeah, yeah So I actually have And that's good. I that leans me hard into looking at thunderbird is my replacement So for jed, I would all if you especially if you don't like apple mail go to thunderbird like it's it's yeah Yeah, or here's one. I need to play with a little bit more. It's been out for seven years now Yep, so there's it's got some stick to it of this. Okay. Yeah comes with set app and it's called canary mail Okay, and canary mail it looks I just opened it up to take a look see at it While you were talking it now has an AI Responder Built in right you use side you call it AI sidekick Uses AI to write your emails for you try now or later, you know And then it also does the red receipts and that sort of thing. I don't know The degree to which plugins may or may not work But so I need to play with that a little bit more but canary mail seems to be a fairly solid client I don't know if it's as powerful as thunderbird or not Interesting play with that. But yeah Um, I'm I'm now I'm curious to see if there is An AI assistant for thunderbird. There is it's called AI anywhere for chat gpt And it's a thunderbird add-on. So I'm gonna have to mess with that too. Yeah. Yeah Yep Yep, interesting. I don't I don't know what it does but like this is the thing about thunderbird It's been around forever. So it like there's things about I remember thunderbird dating back to my windows days as a client So yeah, it's been around 20 plus years. I will say that it Took me probably an hour or two To finally get it get the user interface tweaked to the way I'm used to seeing mail It it starts up in this cards view for the message list and I'm like nope I want columns and so it took me a little bit to figure out how to turn on the table view and turn off the cards view But once I did it was like, okay, it's fine Like and that's the thing my experience with email clients, especially third-party email clients Is that they are written for their authors first and often only Right and and and that like like my experience with the team at read all about spark is very much that they're like Well, we believe okay. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Why like But you say that spark is an email client for everyone So it's great that you believe this but if you have users that don't well now you're excluding quote-unquote everyone And that's okay But you should market it that way like this is an email client that works with our experience And and that was true with eudora. That was true with mail smith, which I used in the past It's kind of true of of a lot of these, you know, I'll call them indy dev shops that make email clients They make them for themselves that the paradigm is one paradigm and it's theirs Apple mail is clearly built for the masses. It's missing some things sure and now it's missing more And now it's missing more Some of them will come back by way of extensions like it won't surprise me if a year from now I'm back on apple mail, right? But but for now Thunderbird does it but thunderbird is built for the masses And so it does take some customization to get it to where it's like, okay This doesn't look garish and awful anymore. This is a functional email client for me The folder that I copied earlier Was my thunderbolt thunderbird folder from my mac downstairs My pete's doing his best not to step on this It's my tongue bleeding I was copying it up to the studio so that I wouldn't have to a redownload all the mail but b Retweak all my settings because your profile has everything in it settings and all so I just copied that up And now it's like, oh, yeah. Okay. Here's my mail. It's good to go It even copied the plugin over which I was shocked I'm like, oh, oh crap It's gonna freak out because my settings refer to a plugin that I haven't installed here and it was like Wait, the plug-ins already there. Oh, you're gonna have to learn me how to do that. I'm gonna bring my laptop over You can learn me. Okay. Yeah, happily. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Or or we can do it as like a hangout sometime and and walk everybody through it together anybody that wants to Right, like if we're gonna do it, we might as well do it or at the very least You know published like record it and publish it on you. So we could how about we do this I come over and well Well, there's a way to do it to get all the passwords out and that kind of thing But do a screen capture screen recording of me doing it And then publish that that's what i'm saying is is essentially like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, okay So so speaking of these sorts of things in learning we talked about at pre-show What do you think is this a good time to talk about my new toy that's coming today? It's not a toy I want to take a quick minute. Okay, and thank everybody who all of our premium subscribers who have Contributed in the last week again. 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Okay, he's now decided he wants a 15 as well So I'd like to not go through the pain that I went through switching him off of the iphone eight s plus into the iphone 13 Going to e-sims and all that stuff and it was a headache. I eventually got it, but it was more Start restart oofs. That didn't work. So what are our basic steps to switch over from My iphone 12 to my iphone 15. Are you on an e-sim? I am not So I need to first go to Mint no say I want an e-sim. No, no, don't Um, there you go. Yep. I I like in theory With with many providers that could work But there are some providers where the e-sim can't transfer From one phone to the other and mint it turns out is one of those or at least it was when I when I did my phone So no, I'd say leave that alone Uh We when I was when my iphone was arriving while we recorded the show Whatever that day was I talked about how I was going to use a usb cable, you know a c on my iphone 15 pro to a lightning on my iphone 14 pro to copy everything over That didn't work as well as I wanted it to and the reason In fact in in that it didn't actually Do it it did it over over it did it wirelessly between the two devices And it was because the iphone 15 pro showed up needing a software update in order to transfer Data from my old iphone. Okay, so going through that process kind of bypassed the um The any the the cable thing and the way that I know I left the cable plugged in during it But then once once the migration finished it had to then download all my apps from the from the cloud from the app store Which tells me that it did not copy them over the cable So I know that my phones talked wirelessly And you know what it works. Okay Um, I am eager to try the wired version of this sometime and I know that it does work for some That day it did not work for me. I don't know what's going to happen for you when you do this Pete so Uh, you certainly could try it with a cable But but I would you know it either way the one problem with a cable is You're going to have one phone charging another and so one phone's battery is going to drain Way faster than the other I bear that in mind as you make your decisions If I were going to do it again right now I think I would just like leave phone both phones plugged in Like to their own chargers. Yeah wirelessly and wirelessly do it. Yeah, it was fine You know if you're on a if I and I I really I'd like the idea of doing it over a cable, but There are too many I would currently my advice would be do that If for some reason you're on say a data limited connection and you don't want to or you can't Afford the data to download all the apps from the cloud right and you want to try and get them from the other phone Like that option is there but for simplicity the tried and true option of doing it wirelessly between the two devices Is the way that I would go And and then for you on mint So You will need the mint app on your new iphone, which will eventually download, right? In order to go you're going to have to go into the app and say Get a new e-sim and then it will install that e-sim on that device and you're going to be good to go And it will render your old sim useless at that point in time. That's just how a cell networks work But let's say you have a hundred apps And mint is not one of the first ones that your phone in its infinite wisdom decides to download and you have to wait Well, you can go And while all those you have to go find it, which is right the the trick because it's because it's not downloaded It's not gonna you can't search for it If you know where it is on your phone And so this is one step that you could make your life easier Okay, put mint on your home screen Before you transfer over because this way you'll know where to find it If you forget to do that you can go to the app library and scroll Alphabetically down to m and find it there However, you find it Long press on it and choose prioritize download and then it will go and get that sooner before but exactly a great reminder Thank you. Yep. Yep. You bet Yeah, so okay that's the um That that that's where I mean that's where I would go with it. Yeah. Yeah, and then uh any any Extra tricks or anything to do with the watch to get it that do I need to unpair it from my old phone first? Do not unpair it from your old phone By migrating your phone over It will see that a watch was paired with the old one and I believe it asked me Okay, when I launched the watch app if I wanted to pair with the new phone It may have just done it But it was it was relatively seamless What I like I have no memory of having to jump through a lot of hoops with that So I think I just launched the watch app on my new phone It was like hey, do you want to and I'm like, uh-huh. Yep. Good call and it was like great I got you and then it just did it. I think all that happened was I watched my watch face like do that That slow like it looks like a slow stop watch going around You know that thing and then it was like, okay. Yeah, you're good. It's all all set. Okay now Yes, sir for the million dollar question on this I have two authenticators. Does that mean I get two million dollars if I answer you do. Yeah If you get the answer right right, great. Yeah, I'll write you a check today. Okay, perfect I'll cash it immediately. Yeah, I'll attempt to cash it immediately. There you go. Yeah So well, you can draw interest on it for those three days. It's sitting in your account before it comes back, right? Yeah Yeah, the bank will take that back though. They will yeah jerks. Yeah And then they'll then they'll have a conversation with me about why they've closed my account and terminated our relationship But you know, that's different too, but you know Yeah, authenticators. How do you set up your authenticators not to go stupid on you, right? And by stupid you mean not having the data that you need on the other side. Yes, sir, right so Some authenticators like one password is an authenticator in addition to being a password. Yes vault The data is not trans I don't think the data is transferred over But it doesn't matter because you're likely syncing your one password data with Their cloud or iCloud depending on it, you know, right and that lives on my Mac anyway Exactly So that data and and therefore the authenticator data that's with it will get there Some apps do not sync the authenticator data and and some of them believe In not doing that for good security reasons, right? Like you it's only one device So this is actually makes it two-factor whereas when you start syncing things and showing it on the same device It's less two-factor. Yes far less. So Look in your authenticator apps before you certainly before you Disable disable and wipe the old phone But also look at them on the new phone like my my path with this would be do the migration Okay, and then on the new phone launch all of your authenticator apps and see does it work? If so, you're done. Oh if it right like no reason to go through the steps If you don't have to right right and then for the ones that Don't have any data that just say welcome You know, do you want to start fresh and you have that moment of panic? Go to your old phone that you still haven't wiped and Figure out if they can migrate Some of them might have a one-time backup, you know, you export it to a whatever Restore it on your new phone, you know jump through whatever the hoops are I know Google authenticator now lets you do that and those sorts of things But I had one app that is for a bank account So a corporate bank account and we use it for wire transfers And that would not transfer there. It was like zero opportunity for it to leave that phone So what I had to do was go and log into my bank and tell it Disable this thing that they call it a soft token because I'm using an app to do it So disable this soft token now Enable this soft token and it does it with its process and I enabled it on my new device and now it's working fine over there So but just check them all before you wipe that old device just in case you like You're almost certainly going to need it, you know, so oh, absolutely. And the one is for work I don't get into my work without without it. Yeah, right. Yeah, exactly Um, pj did have a question about the migration Would chi charging work if one phone gets low and cables are connected? It did not for me Oh Yeah, yeah So because because the phone that was I think it was my new phone the 15 pro decided It was the Charge ur and my 14 pro became the charge e so my 14 pro, you know, it was was doing great So I put the 15 on the on the chi pad and it it did not help the scenario for me Maybe it was charging it seems like that may be a slower charge anyway than the cable Exactly and also the phone was you know, this was iphone 15 pro on release day So it had the heat issue that was solved later in 1703 So it was like super hot and putting it on a chi pad like the phone might have been like, yeah, no Like I too hot to chi charge and also I was like I really want to like put this thing I want to put it in an ice bath really, but you know, yeah so But yeah, I almost ran out of battery on my 15 pro Doing it that way. Yeah, it got it got close like it was down to You know, I mean it I got it at like 70 percent But it I was down well below 20 percent when it finally finished like I was I was monitoring it like okay What am I going to do if this gets like at what point do I take drastic measures? Because at that point I didn't know that it wasn't actually using the cable So it was like at what point do I just pull the cable and and move on? Yeah Yeah, I think the wi-fi meat there the yeah the wireless. Yeah, just yeah makes sense anyway Yeah, yeah Yeah, it'll it'll work. It'll work. It should work. So I'm excited to get this thing it Yeah, man. That's gonna be great. So you got which phone did you get? I got the 15 pro max Oh So you got the you got the good cameras. Yeah, and the uh, I didn't splurge for the one terabyte storage Because I'm at 300 gigs you on my current 512. Yep. 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I mean you can but also read what your shirt says if you would please Well, you say that your packets Don't get lost which means you haven't and I hope as I transfer over my phone that I don't lose any packets Because if I'll do if I do I'll know that I have gotten caught and my best advice that I can give to you and everybody is Don't get caught Easy for you to say New lips. Oh, man later. Bye