 I think that we need today to follow faith and reason and not only philosophical reason but also scientific reason and put together in a real dialogue these things like do Pope Francis in Laudato Si that described the situation of the world especially the question of climate change and put this in relation of our task in the world in that come from the scriptures that we are the stewards of of the of there we don't say creation because too much but there and and for this we need faith reason, philosophical reason, values, moral reason and scientific reason. So in understanding how we change the world in order to achieve goals that we can defend and I agree there can be but there isn't necessarily overlap between the goals of say secular humanism and a religious worldview but to the extent that we agree if we agree that those goals are human flourishing namely life, health, education, happiness, richness of experience then how we maximize those is going to very much depend on our understanding of what causes what in the world and our understanding of what causes what in the world comes from science by definition because that's what science is in the business of doing namely understanding the world with the under with the method that none of us is omniscient that we cannot understand the world by revelation by faith by dogma by sacred texts but rather by proposing hypotheses and seeing letting the world tell us whether they are true or false. The fact that we can see ways in which we've improved the world by the application of knowledge emboldens us to think that we can improve it still further. This part for the visible war I completely agree but there are another part of the world that we can say invisible war that is not enough science. We need for this for the great meaning we need something that comes from revelation we say. Why should we believe revelation? Well, revelation to put in relation with faith revelation with that is to say some new intervention in the world that is not the only the creation but is a new intervention of God in the world. But if it's revelation it has not been revealed to me it's been revealed to you. What are you going to do about the fact that there are people like me people in this audience people in the world who have not seen the same revelation that you may have seen who have no plans to accept Jesus as our savior I'm a Jew I'm I'm going to tell you I'm not going to accept Jesus sorry I don't think I'm I don't think I'm that's a big problem in terms of making the world a better place I don't think that the billions of people who have not and will not accept Jesus I don't think that's the world's problem they have not experienced the same revelation perhaps that you have I don't think that's the problem either because we don't need revelation if we can appeal to dimensions of experience that are available to everyone such as evidence such as reason such as a concern with human flourishing.