 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mind pump! Mind pump! With your hosts, Sal DeStefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this episode of Mind Pump, the first 30 minutes, we have a lot of fun talking- Come take a bath with Adam. Yeah, alright. We're talking about Adam's bath time. Sign me up. And what he likes to do in the bath, weird stuff. You know, my boy, shout out to Mikey, Mikey over with Barbell Shrug, because I know that Mike does a- He's a bath guy? Once a week, he does a bath time with Mike. Does he really? Bath time with Mike Blutcher. He's like Harris Cupid. Yeah, he does a live stream of him in the bathtub answering questions. He is a fucking awesome guy. Sexy motherfucker. Connected here. Then we talk about Adam's Desitin prank. Desitin is not shampoo, Justin. It's a rub on baby's butts apparently. It's what we put on diaper rashes. Then we talk about Chaga. Chaga is a very interesting mushroom. The Chinese call it the king of all mushrooms. I talk about its anti-cancer properties and its benefits for autoimmune diseases, and we talk about how Adam is going to start using it for his psoriasis. By the way- Chaga, chaga, chaga, chaga. One of the best sources that we have found for Chaga and other mushrooms is ForSigmatic. It's a company we are now affiliated with. You can get a discount for using our discount code. What you do is you go to ForSigmatic. That's F-O-U-R-S-I-G-M-A-T-I-C dot com forward slash mind pump. Use the discount code mind pump and get 15% off. We talk about adaptogens. Then we talk about Justin's string of disasters. Man, when is it going to end? Then we get into the questions. Somebody asked us, they like maps. They love the results they're getting, but they want to work out more. What kind of program could they use that will be effective like maps that lets them work out in the gym five days a week or more? We've created attics. Exactly. Then the next question is, what is our suggestions for a personal trainer trying to build a client base in a big box gym? There's some gyms in that particular segment of this episode. Then we talk about our favorite guests that we have interviewed, what we've learned from them, and why they are our favorites. I do want to say we've loved all of our guests, I think except for one who is fucking annoying. I'm not going to say his name. Then we talk about whether or not we're going to start doing certifications for trainers. That's right, ladies and gentlemen. Mind pump is thinking about doing classes to educate personal trainers. How to become better personal trainers and how to build their businesses. I just perked up. Finally, this month enroll in any maps program or maps bundle and we're going to give you one of our most popular programs for free. We're going to give you maps prime for free just for doing that. We think this promotion is going to blow your socks off. Again, I like using old resources. We want everybody to have prime. That was our goal. Maps prime for free. Just enroll in any maps program. It doesn't matter which one or a bundle, including our super bundle, which is one year's worth of exercise programming. The place to find all of this is mindpumpmedia.com. The producer is producing. Respect the producer. Absolutely. I've been served. He's a good producer. Definitely the best I've ever worked with. Your pass is all previous. I know you're the only producer I've worked with. But you are the best one. You do a good job. I own that. He's a good dad. He lets us be idiots. He lays down the hammer when he needs to. We know that if we push him too far. He knows how to deal with your crazy loud voice. The beat down is coming. None of us want to fuck with you. No, we don't want to mess with the chimp. The chimp. The backpack. He'll rip your nuts right off you. And stuff them in the other guy's face. I went too far again. That was a little off the Richter. He's a good old boy. Good old boy. I put a thing out on Instagram. My Instagram story for the DJI, what's it called? The drone. Fuck it. He was just spinning his finger there for a while. I wanted to see how long it was going to take. I know. I hate that. You gave it to us. The flying thing. You guys are dicks, bro. You should have helped me. You should have saved me. I remember you guys used to do that to me all the time. Wait, wait, wait. Let's see if he can figure that out. I know what he's trying to say right now. You're like hanging on a thought. Come on, guys. Come on. I put it out there because we're heading over. By the way, did I send you guys over to the place? Did you guys see where we're going to? No. Okay. No, come on, man. You're always holding out on us. I like surprises. It's just for bedroom. With the big old shower. I got the one with the hot tub. This one actually had, this one does have the hot tub. No way. And multiple rooms with sunken tubs. I think three of the rooms have fireplaces in it. Really? Bro, yeah. It's on. It's on. Just wait, dude. I can't wait to take a bath. MPTV does it, bro. Just watch what we got coming. I think you take a bath regularly, don't you? We're going to bring you some power pedals. No, I don't have, my house does not have a bath. Well, every time we go somewhere, you take a bath. I love to take a bath, dude. Why? I'm a chick, totally. There's something about soaking in a hot tub. Thank you, Doug. I really enjoy, man. I enjoy something. It's very real. Do you read? Do you think you... Nice Merlot. I don't read. You jerk off, don't you? Some chocolates. No, I don't. Drinking off in a bathtub is probably a bad idea. You don't want to do that. Huh? You get floaters. Drinking off in a bathtub is probably a good idea. Squid. You get some clingers. I may have tried that once in my life, and then after one time. It's too much splashing. I don't know why. Yeah, this happens. Well, and then once it's floating, you can't get away from it. It ends up on some random part of your body. So why do you like to take a bath? They're very relaxing. So I used to have a jacuzzi at my house until it broke, and then I didn't give two shits about fixing it. I used to love to go hop in the jacuzzi for, you know, a half hour or so before bed, and it just, it totally settles me down and relaxes me. You're like a child. Yeah. You need to be settled. I do. You know what I mean? Yeah, I know I would prefer. From the thunder best. Yeah, I know I'd prefer to sit in a rocking chair and have you rock me to sleep, but I'm a little big for you to sit on your lap and have you do that. No, no, no, no. But we can definitely do that. You know what we'll do? We'll get a big crib. Yeah. And then me and Justin will rock you. We'll put you in a baby bill. Settle you down. And I know this happens. You don't like to take baths? No. I haven't taken a bath. Is that just me? I haven't taken a bath in a long time. You know what I like to do in a bathtub? What? Fart. Oh, yeah. You know what I'm saying, Justin? Bloop. Yeah, you see the bubbles? Are you a bath taker? No. Doug, do you take baths? I'm not a bath guy. Occasionally. Okay. I feel like Doug. Doug's got great skin. I feel like that has something to do with it. Yeah. Unless I'm like... Yeah. I feel like a problem. I feel like Doug would do bath. And plus I feel like Doug would fit in that problem. I would take way more baths if most bathtubs weren't fucking... Dude, the water always goes in that little hole thing. And I'm like, where's it going? It's leaking downstairs somewhere or whatever. No, that goes to overflow. No, that goes to the drain, Justin. Fine. Justin, I bet you take the fastest showers. Are you in and out? No way. I take a long shower. Oh, you do? Yeah. Oh. That's where I spend my special time. Are you any longer a short shower guy? I'm a short shower guy. But yeah, I'm a short shower guy. Now, what I used to do is I used to soap every part of my body and it took longer. And then I learned about the microbiome of the skin and how that's not really good for you. And so now, I don't do that all the time. I do that occasionally, but I wash the knotty bits and the armpits. The triangle of death. You know, remember when I went on my kick where I was like, I have, you know, all organic shampoo and soap now that costs a fucking fortune I think a loan out just to pay for my fucking organic stuff these days. And I think that's one of the work like soaps and shampoos are like the fucking worst. Yeah. As far as how much they charge. Yeah. It's ridiculous. You can get some fucking perp plus for like 99 cents. Yeah. But if you get a bottle of like organic. Perp plus. There's all throwback. If you're really gangster, you're using dish soap. Right. Or swab. You get some swab for fucking safe way for like, you know, three bottles for $4.99. But you go, you go. Oh my God. You remember those? Was it desitin? They had like one side of the head was like tingling. And one wasn't. Desitin is the type of powder. You put on baby. I mean that bitch. No wonder your head was tingling. It does. It works. It tingles. Did I ever, I told you guys the desitin story that I have with my sister? No. I thought I shared that on my pump back in the early days. So when I was a kid, it was really you remember pranking, you know, we're all, we all had siblings, right? So it was on the oldest. So I used to prank the shit out of my younger sister when she had friends over. So that was like, I looked forward to that. We lived out in the country. There's nothing fun to do. When your sister has friends over, you stay up all night long and wait till they fall asleep and you, you know, freeze their bras and panties. Yeah, you do weird shit. Well, the shaving cream tickle the feather thing, by the way, absolutely works. I know that. We used to do that with a powder. It's an incredible trick to do and love. And that's one of my favorite go-tos. And we did, we were all excited. My best friend was spent the night, her best friend was spent the night. I think we wait till the girls go to sleep and we go to the bathroom and we get my dad's shaving cream and my dad has no shaving cream. He switched over to an electric razor. And I'm like, fuck. So I'm like digging through like, what do we have? There's nothing. There's nothing to put in their hand. I have no whipped cream. I have nothing, nothing I can put in their hand. The only thing I could find was this tube of desitin. That time, I don't even know what desitin is, right? You know, so I, I, and I look at it and it's like, oh, baby rash. I'm like, okay, if it's safe enough for a baby's butt, my sister's face, right? So we scored it in her hand and she fucking desitin all over her face. And if anybody that it's ever dealt with desitin, it's very thick and it does kind of like plaster and almost bleaches the skin. So my sister's face the next morning was like a different tone on one side. Oh my God. Oh, I got grounded for like a month for that. So much trouble for that. That's messed up. She's pissed. I thought I told that story to you. Maybe that's what happened to Michael Jackson. He's just putting desitin on his face. Yeah. I don't think it's a good idea. No. How do we get to, oh, the shampoo. I was going to tell you that. So of all the things that I've been doing for my skin, like I've shared on the show many times that I have psoriasis. So I'm always in looking for the, you know, what works best or what helps me the most, right? And no doubt, you know, when I went on the elimination diet and, you know, cutting out a lot of sugar and processed foods and things like that, I think that helps more than anything else. So that is, that was like the first big piece. That helped suppress it a lot and really calm it down. But then I still had it an occasional flare ups, right? The next thing I noticed more than anything else, stress for sure. So if I'm, if I have a high level of stress work, whatever's going on, I noticed flare ups. And then the most recent one that has made the biggest difference has been the vitamin D. The vitamin D that I've been supplementing. I've noticed a huge reduction in it. And that's helped out a ton. The shampoos and soaps, I can't say that I notice a big difference. I don't think you will. I don't think you'll notice a big difference now. Yeah. It's out of all the things, right? So, and this is what I talk to people about a lot, right? And this is what I feel at my, a lot of what mine pup is. And I like that we share good information with, with all the things like this. But I don't ever want to become this guy who is, you know, all organic, everything. And I'm so afraid to touch anything that's not is, I want to take care of the biggest rocks that make the most sense for me. And so right now I still have, I stocked up on a ton of organic soap and shampoo. And, you know, shampoo I'll probably keep because I don't have a lot of hair and it didn't last a long time. So it's not like a major, it's not a major investment for me. It's in a spray bottle. So yeah. So one, one 55 bottle, $55 bottle of shampoo actually lasts me like for myself. Not a big deal. I'm okay with that. But the bars of soap I go through pretty quick. You know, soap and organic soap tends to wither away even quicker. Because it doesn't have, I don't think they put the compounds in there to prevent it from melting. So yeah. I don't know if anyone's ever noticed. So you still use bar soap then? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I don't do the scrubbers or anything like that. And I've tried to get my girl away from using the scrubbers and shit like that. Well, I'm about to blow your mind right now. Oh, okay. I'm about to blow your mind. Oh, take your hat off. Give it to me, son! So this goes back a little bit. So let me start from the beginning. Of time? Yeah. First it was light. My, as I've said on the show before, I had a very close family member who was stricken with terminal cancer years ago. And it was terminal. Doctors are like, you're not going to make it very long. And I did all this research, as much research as I could on compounds, natural compounds that could potentially make an impact. And the thing that I saw most of the science on that was natural, that was not already something that we'd known about, was cannabis. Cannabis has got some potent anti-cancer properties. Towards the end of her life, a friend of mine sent me an article on the mushroom chaga. Chaga is a parasitic mushroom that grows in birch trees. And there is fascinating research on chaga as an anti-cancer, having anti-cancer properties. In fact, Really? Even if you go online and there are certain medical associations which will talk about chaga, having anti-cancer properties. There's pharmaceutical companies studying chaga for its anti-cancer properties. It's definitely something to look out for. I wish I knew about it before, before she was already down the path because I would have totally included chaga in her regime because I read studies with animals with chaga where they saw on average a 60% decrease in tumor size and some were even cured simply by using the compound chaga. Now that all being said, we've got this sponsorship with forces. I was just going to say, I remember you talking about this when we were at PaleoFX and this was one of the reasons why I hadn't even heard of Forcigmatic and you came over and you were so fucking excited that they were there and then you were talking to them and that we could potentially have a sponsor with them because this was one of the things that you were sharing. Yes. What a lot of people don't know, what our audience doesn't know is before we decided that we would, before I decided to approach Forcigmatic I had been doing a lot of research and I'm very careful. All of us are, right? But because Forcigmatic was my thing, I'm very careful with presenting anything until I'm pretty confident because our reputation is on the line. I'm not going to promote anything that could later on, you know, is going to make us look bad and I also don't want to, you know, I don't want to lie to people or whatever. So I did lots and lots and lots of research. We'd ask the forum, I'd done a post. What do you guys think of Forcigmatic? I got lots of people's, you know, opinions. I'd been trying the products for a long time. I know how they do their thing, whatever. So I approached them and they have Chaga. They use Chaga extract and it's, or Chaga and there's a dual extraction process which I like as well. Nonetheless, Chaga was already on my radar because of the cancer thing. Fast forward, I'm more excited about Cordyceps and Raishi because those are the ones I've messed with more than anything because after my family member passed away I stopped kind of looking into Chaga. That's all I knew about it, that it was anti-cancer. Fast forward, working with Forcigmatic now, so I'm like, let me look at the rest of their products. You know, besides the ones I'm really interested in which were the Raishi and Cordyceps. So I've been doing a lot of research on Chaga. Chaga has potent and this is why they think it's got anti-cancer properties. It has potent immunomodulating effects. Now immunomodulating means it will change your immune system in a way that will help bring it into balance. In other words, if you have a depressed immune system like as in the case with cancer where your immune system has failed to take care of these, you know, multiplying cells Chaga boosts the immune system. If you have the flu or a cold or bacterial overgrowth it has antimicrobial and antiviral properties it'll boost the immune system. If you have an overactive immune system and this is why I'm going to blow your fucking mind out of it I was actually reading about this last night and I was late and I didn't text you. I totally forgot and now that we started the podcast I'm like, oh shit because I know we're going to mention four-sigmatic and I'm like, oh shit I want to bring this up on air. Chaga has immunomodulating effects or immunosuppressing effects in people with autoimmune issues and in particular psoriasis. There's some studies that I pulled up. Oh no shit. Yes, that showed that people who regularly use Chaga had dramatic effects on psoriasis as well. Now I'm starting to use the Chaga because irritable bowel syndrome I think, well I don't think I know the fact has some immune, because your immune system is a little overactive in that particular sense in the extreme case you get things like Crohn's disease which is an autoimmune disease. So I'm starting to use it myself and I'm noticing beneficial effects for my gut and I'm also noticing a very calming, clear-headed thing that I get from it now that I've been using it daily for the last, I don't know, couple weeks. But yeah, for you dude because now we've got those samples of what do they send us. Oh I'm excited now. Use Chaga, I would use it at least twice a day and see how it affects your psoriasis because there's the vitamin D which is established the Chaga, the studies are actually compelling so I would be very interested to see. Dude, you gotta forward those to me and then I'm calling all the Chaga then. It's only fair. No, no, no, it's all yours. Chaga before flu season, for sure. Yeah, but for you especially because you have something that I've found studies specifically saying for psoriasis. Oh I'm excited to try that. Because I have never tried that and I have tried quite a few of the four systematic products. That's the one I haven't tried. Well it seems like the least sexy when you look at it. The energy, cognitive function, yeah. Exactly, exactly, lion's mane. Oh boost your mental function. Cordyceps, great for stamina. Rayishi, great for relaxation which is that one's one of my favorites. But Chaga's a little bit less sexy because it says like build a force field around your body or immune system. I'm not sick, like what's the big deal? Immunomodulating effects, those are one of the most important things that adaptogens do in the body and again because you're, just because we're talking about you, because you have such an outward display of autoimmune issue, it will be interesting to see, because you'll be able to tell. Right, well that's why I shared what I just did about the soaps and shampoos and everything. I'm very in tune with my body. I'm constantly trying different things to see what benefits the most and it's not to say that the shampoos and soap don't help the cause. I think it's a small part of it. It is. I've been able to, because I watch it carefully and just, I treat it the same way I treat a diet when I'm manipulating my diet to get ready for sure. You add like one element. Exactly, I add one thing. I keep everything else very consistent. I monitor those areas very closely and then I objectively look at it because you can't just do it for a few days or even a week because of course I'm going to have stress up and down and different things, other elements that will play a major role in the psoriasis. So I have to kind of really take a snapshot of it over a course of you know, a few weeks to a month of consistently doing something new and how much is it helping and so far, you know, diet first, stress probably second and then third vitamin D so far have been the biggest thing, biggest contributors to suppressing it and keeping it from spreading or getting worse. Now, I'm really excited and interested and especially since we're sponsored so that's a fucking no brainer for me. Yeah, exactly. But it's one of those things where you don't have autoimmune issues and by the, you know, autoimmune issues is like this umbrella that covers a lot of different potential problems. Sometimes autoimmune issues can show up as like, just like lots of fatigue where perhaps you're getting a lot of anti-thyroid type things being produced by the body. So now your thyroid levels are normal but you just feel shitty because you have this immune response that could be affecting you. Not quite Hashimoto's or anything horrible like that but there's a lot of different things. So the thing with autoimmune issues is if you have a flare-up, you know, you want to attack it, suppress it and while doing all the long-term type of stuff. So, you know, typically what you would do if you had an extreme flare-up of autoimmune issue like Crohn's and I talk about Crohn's a lot because I have a family member with it is they'll go in and then they'll put you on like, especially if it's a flare-up, like it's first it's emergency, like we need to get this under control so then they'll give you steroids or even low doses of chemotherapy then while they're doing that, fixing the diet and all that stuff and then when they get under control the goal is to keep it that way. Well Chaga is not it's not a steroid, it's not, you know, a chemo it's not going to depress an already healthy immune system it just kind of balances it out and there's lots of science to support it and the Chinese call Chaga the king of all mushrooms, that's how much they actually revere it, it's got that much value yeah so it's pretty I'm still trying to like, so adaptogens like, can you explain a little bit further like, how is it like that it can identify, say you have an overgrowth or something like that, like how can it get into the balance element of that and not like, well I think it's because it's increasing the healthy bacteria right, I mean is that what it's doing? No, well so that's, here's the problem with adaptogenic substances we've observed their effects but we don't, we've observed the bottom line effects like, oh here we go, we've given this you know, adaptogen to a person who's high stress, when we give it to them we notice all these markers start to change cortisol starts to drop, or become more healthy we notice insulin, you know, levels change a little bit, we notice like symptoms of well-being increase, sleep gets better, that's why they're called adaptogenic the problem is identifying specifically what it's doing because it tends to work in this kind of holistic way, so it's really hard to say they will start to figure out like individual things that may be doing certain things but there's that whole plant effect that tends to happen here, so what you, here's the theory behind or the explanation behind adaptogens because I don't think it's a great explanation but here's what they say, is that a body that's quote-unquote out of balance out of homeostasis is a body that presents disease so if you have too much of certain bacteria you're going to have a problem if you have too little of certain bacteria you'll have a problem actually here's a better way to explain it, think of hormones right? there's a particular healthy balance of hormones, everything from insulin, testosterone, estrogen, whatever if you take one through the roof you're going to have bad side effects if it goes too low you're going to have bad side effects like there's a happy balance medium adaptogens tend to do that so when they give an adaptogen to somebody who has too much of something it brings it down, if they have too low of something it brings it up and that's why they're called adaptogens I relate this a lot to and I've brought this up before in the show what it was like growing marijuana so I would measure the parts per million in a plant and so what we were feeding what we were feeding it, so the parts per million in the soil and I believe that would be somewhere like between 1300 and 1500 where I want and that's kind of kept the planet homeostasis, when it was in homeostasis it wouldn't get attacked by spider mites it wouldn't get mold, it wouldn't get any of these issues that you're normally fighting as as a grower, so because those are all symptoms, yes exactly those are all symptoms because the plant is weak and so it gets attacked and so you are always striving to keep it in this perfect environment so it's strong and it fights off anything and you feed a plant nutrients and things like that but if you overfeed it it increases the parts per million especially if it's in an area that it doesn't need it so let's say you have plenty of calcium and the plant is already getting enough calcium but you think you heard from someone tell you like oh yeah more calcium that makes your buds bigger, this is the bro science that it actually I would find in marijuana, oh you put more of that in there or more carbs and more sugar and you're going to get more crystals and the plant will be stronger, well if you do that there is some truth to that but if you overdo it and it puts the parts per million beyond or too low then the plant is still susceptible to getting disease and having problems so I look at the microbiome or your gut really similar to you're looking for this healthy homostasis and this is why too that every plant, every person is so individual because I could have the same type of plant in the same room but because it's over here it's getting a little bit more sunlight and a little bit different temperature so it can be just a little bit it needs a little bit more or less of something compared to the plant across the room which is probably why it's very hard to measure and explain adaptogens and stuff like that because there's so much individual variance. It is a plant derived like substance. It depends on the context, it depends on the situation like the person's genetics their stress levels, there's so many things that make variables that make it very difficult for us to explain exactly what's perfect or right where to be and what it's doing, what receptors is attached to how it's influencing this thing or that thing we just know that adaptogens tend to do that in people, in studies and it's pretty consistent across the board testosterone boosters any time you buy a testosterone booster that's got herbs in it and they say these studies show an increase in testosterone what they're showing is when they give these herbs to people who boost their testosterone if you're low. Yes, the people that they see the boosts in are people with low testosterone not the ones that already have a high testosterone. That's right because it's an adaptogen if you give horny goatweed or tongue cat Ali to somebody who's got great levels of testosterone you won't see a boost you give it to somebody who's got low testosterone because they have lots of stress in their life. We've explained this on the show before because this has been a question that's been asked that where people are like, well what do you guys think about testosterone boosters? Well if you're a 55 year old man and you have lower testosterone levels it might be a nice tool for you to utilize here and there or to help bring you up to natural levels but if you're a 17 year old boy and you're getting into shit for it your testosterone is through the roof you're not going to feel shit from it it's a waste of money for you. Nothing at all I know Justin you've been on having a lot of situations happening recently. Yeah What was with the post to balance me out? Sureshi, right? Dude I attribute it's like the comedy of errors as of late so I've had going wrong. I explained that and then I had my refrigerator all of a sudden wasn't working and so my wife calls me. Which is a nightmare when that happens by the way. Terrible right? Thankfully my parents are not too far by and they have an extra refrigerator at their house and so we just took all our food and put it up there and then of course like, oh man I forgot all these type of condiments for what we're having dinner for and all that so I'm going back and forth getting all this shit, oh pain in the ass. It was a broken. So like my youngest he explores you know and he finds like knobs and buttons and he pushes them and turns them and we found out that he basically just turned it off and it wasn't even broken. We looked at it and I was like, oh my god How long until you guys put that together? A day. And how did that come about? Like did you find out? Courtney found it and she just looked at the knob and saw that it was turned all the way to zero. He's such a little, your youngest one. He is funny. He just gets into shit all the time. Yeah so. Did he admit it? Well we didn't we didn't, you know whatever. He was just like, we didn't want to put him on blast for that because it's just like whatever. We're just like explained like hey look this affects the refrigerator and so we don't touch this. You know what I mean? Like we weren't like oh you did this you know it was like we had to have a little education there. So the next thing I could just imagine because I've had that happen. When your refrigerator breaks it's a night here. It's pandemonium. Yeah you're getting a cooler where we lived at the time. Yeah we got ice cooler out. We had to do all that you know just for like the time being because like we had milk we have all these like things and we had to get on ice like right away. He's such a cute little guy. He's funny. That's the thing. It's hard to get mad at him on some things but so I'm like I'm like on a hustle to try and clean the house and do all this stuff you know around the house and so I'm in this room that we sort of have turned into our storage room and I'm trying to clear it out and make it into more of a playroom for the kids and so I'm like cleaning stuff out and all this stuff and I had the door open and because of the chickens like we've had like some big-ass flies that just kind of hang around and so this big fly comes in you know going all over the place and I'm like it was pissing me off and so I saw like there was this water noodle you know the ones that they lean on. The floating ones? Yeah the floating ones in the pool and so I like grabbed it and I was like I'm going to smack the shit out of this fly and kill it and so I go and I hit like I was like I'm going to get this thing and I slam it like really hard into the window and I smash and it fucking was the loudest noise I've ever heard and then broke my window You broke your window with a noodle? With a noodle You know why? Yeah so what happened was my youngest put a rock inside inside the noodle inside the noodle so when I slam it this rock propels out into the fucking into the window and I was like the loudest noise like Courtney comes down the stairs and I was like oh my god what did you do and I was just like I'm sorry I didn't like no there was a rock inside oh my god what are the chances I'm like a noodle on a window that must be a very brittle window but oh shitty in a room. Oh seriously and so she's just like oh my god she stopped right there she went upstairs she poured me a shot of tequila and we both cheers then we took a shot and took a picture. I could just picture I could just picture your son like hold it like a hole in the middle. Yeah yeah he's stuffing it down like oh yeah this is gonna be cool like I have no idea what his plan was for it but definitely backfired on me. Oh my god dude that's fucking great. Now did he see that did he see that what it caused or was it the youngest or youngest yeah he had no idea he just he just does stuff you know what I mean it's like he like he thought that was a good idea like oh there's a hole I'm gonna stuff it with a rock you know so anyways you know talk about a challenging situation as a father because you want to be inside you want to be angry at him but you can't right it's like you can't you can't fault the poor kid for playing around with some knobs. It wasn't even his fault you know it's just like yeah you're the idiot you're the idiot that swung a noodle. Yeah you're the idiot that swung a noodle at a fucking flop. I just stopped him in my tracks and was just like oh my god it broke my window with a fucking noodle I was just like oh man I can't win. Oh my god I need some wins bro. You've had a crazy week. Oh. Crazy week between a truck to refrigerator and now a broken window. That's three you're done though. That's done. That's three. You are done. I was all back to back. That's what they say right comes in threes right? Yeah. Yeah you're good. I hope so. I'm getting my truck back today so I'm excited. Excellent. Douglas bring the lucky bird on. This clause brought to you by OrganiFi for those days you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition OrganiFi fills the gap with laboratory tested certified organic super foods to help give your health and performance the added edge. Try OrganiFi totally risk free for 60 days by going to OrganiFi.com That's O-R-G-A-N-I-F-I .com and use a coupon code MINEPOMP for 20% off at checkout. Our first question is from Phoebes Kray K She knows that someone following maps three days a week will be in better physical mental shape than someone doing a five day body part split. Will any of the maps program suit someone who loves lifting weights more than three days a week? Weight lifting makes her feel good and happy. Yes. Maps aesthetic is more than three days a week. Yeah maps is takes five. Yeah you're in the gym five days a week. Three days a week are the long hard workouts. The rest of the days are a little lighter and easier but you're in the gym every single day. Here's what you have to understand. We've kind of addressed this before. It's been a while since we've touched on this is that anybody can you could train maps red five days a week if you really want to. I've done that before. I've done maps red with a five day where I just I'm giving myself a day routine and then you go or a day off and then you go right back to you start the cycle over again right so you can extend it to four or five days if you really want it. Now we designed it that way and we put all the programs in consecutive order for a reason to help teach people the proper way to kind of overload the body so the real thing is this it's not about you know can you go to the gym five days or seven days and do you like no that's okay but if you want to maximize your results right if you want if you want to if you're looking for aesthetic change especially or strength gains you want to be able to you want to start with as little as possible and you want to build upon that and you want to do it in in a systematic way that you're always kind of seeing gains and results and so that's really how all the programs are structured and set up that somebody could start it from maps red from all the way from the very beginning pre phases to progressing into the regular phases to then progressing to green then progressing to black and then even black has it to where if you cycle through black multiple times you can start to build upon the other two days they're running five full days training inside a week so yeah that you can totally do that but just keep in mind that if you're somebody who is in a hard plateau you know sometimes and I think why we talk about this so much is because we've all experienced this ourselves you know I love to work out it's tough for me to not go to the gym and in fact that was one of the biggest things that I had to learn to do was I had to learn to understand that sometimes my body needs rest and feeding and addressing you know mobility and other things that are far more beneficial than me going and pumping the weights because I love to pump the weights and you talked about this the other day you know you get the spike and cortisol you get this adrenaline rush you know your heart rates pump in you're hot and you're sweating all these great things that about tend to gravitate to because they enjoy that part of training but you gotta also be able to have some perspective and understand well you know am I partially addicted to always wanting to be the gym and could that be potentially playing in a role in me being in my plateau so just understanding that the other thing to consider is this some of the main reasons why we are opposed to the traditional body part split breakdown isn't because you're splitting up the body okay that's not really the big problem with it that poses somewhat of an issue especially for people who are just getting started we're just more effective to do full body each time but really the main reason why a body part split is an issue is because of the lack of frequency of training per body part you hit the volume you still get lots of volume per body part but you're not working the body as frequently and we've talked about this on previous episodes but I'll say it again and it's pretty well established now studies have been done there's several now that have been done that have compared groups of people with their training doing the same amount of volume the difference is one group does all that volume in one day and the other group does all that volume over three days so they're getting triple the frequency we also have studies showing that when you lift weights muscle protein synthesis it peaks it spikes and peaks at about 48 to 72 hours and then it drops very quickly very very sharply so at about two or three days that's the peak of muscle building then it starts to drop if you don't hit that body part again for another three or four days you run the risk of your body reversing the adaptation in which fact it does your body doesn't really stay the same it's either building or shrinking and if you're not building then you're shrinking and the goal is to build more than shrink and that's why you build more muscle effective so if you do like to do body part splits you can still figure out a way to do them in which you're hitting each body part more frequently I'm doing a split right now so I did some posts on Instagram posts what was it like two months ago where I said hey I'm going to try doing a split but I did it I did a split like you are Adam where I'm using because we understand the principles that work on the body and the maps principles that we use you can still apply those towards a somewhat of a split God in fact you know what I'll tell you what well let's consider it a split if you're doing like upper body and lower body the same days does that not consider a split well no you could do so what you could do is you could do a split where it's two body parts exactly two or three body parts but you're still doing three times there's actually lots of ways to do this we should do that I would love to write like the way we would write a split I've been wanting to do this for quite some time it would have a lot of moving parts to it that's why I think we've waited because here's the deal someone inboxed me too they're like I heard you say you're doing a body part split and doesn't that go against the principles of maps and it's like no it doesn't go against principles of maps the principles of maps is just that we're trying to teach people the importance of frequency because we know that it's one of the most neglected things and it's one of the number one variables that you can manipulate to see change in your physique and your strength and so that's really the foundation of maps it doesn't mean that you can't apply those same principles into a body part split what I mean by that is here's an example let's say you're going to do a very and this is not what I'm doing currently right now but this would be an okay example of how you take maps principles and you apply it to a five part body part split so basically five day body part split is typically chess one day back another day, shoulders another day okay what I would do and since I'm the aesthetic driven guy and I say okay chest and shoulders are now a priority mine so I'm still going to run the five day body part split, chest, back, shoulders it's not but then on two days of the week where I'm doing let's say legs on one day and I'm doing back on the other day I'm going to do chest with that also and shoulders again so now but you're doing it more like a focus session yeah it's not going to be as much it's not going to be a full hour just because now I'm splitting it with another muscle group and I typically pair it with a strong muscle group so where I'm dominant so for me that's a bad example because I should probably use what I typically do so what I do I'm calves you know calves I'm getting hit three four times a week at the minimum for me because they need that much attention and then I typically like to focus on shoulders now if I'm going to neglect anything it's probably going to be my back my back is a strength of mine and because I've put a lot of work on it so I might pair my shoulders or my calves on my back day so my back may not get as much volume but it doesn't need it because it's a strength of mine so I'm looking for more frequency and more volume out of the muscles that I want to develop and you can apply that same concept if you're trying to build strength in a specific muscle or if you're trying to a skill yeah or skill exactly another great example if you're trying to build a skill you can start to you know include that skill multiple times per week so there's lots of ways there you can totally program it in a way where you're taking where you're utilizing the important principles that we've identified that you know so many people now because we've had the mass programs available now for a couple years that so many people have been using and have been saying oh my god this is mind blowing I mean of course if you take a typical body building five day split you know chest back shoulders arms legs whatever and you compare it to the most basic you know three day full you know full body workout most people are gonna do better with the three day full body workout however well I think the most part it's like they just don't hit legs enough like from the old ones that I've I've seen and got this like legs was like once maybe twice a week because they do all the volume one day just destroy your legs for just that one day exactly and that's what I mean you can you can utilize some of those techniques and put them together we've had we have some very experienced lifters in our forum who have done this they've taken the concepts and the principles they've taken maps and they change a little bit modify it which by the way we always encourage like our programs are really concepts and philosophies and we give you sample workouts that we design for the masses however if you if you start to learn your body and you start to do these programs and you start to repeat them the best thing you could do is learn your body tailor them modify what we created maps we all agree that we were not going to promote this as this is the best workout for everybody we left it open or try and provide a bunch of studies to show that this is why our program is superior to someone else no with the way we present it is we're trying to teach and educate people the different philosophies and ideologies of training and the ones that are the biggest rocks and where a lot of programs are what where they're missing and lacking and teach that to the masses and then allow all this flexibility and that's why there's a private forum that's why there is a YouTube channel with exercises every single day going up is because we actually encourage people to take to go through the programs learn educate yourself on these philosophies and and why we teach this and we tell everybody that everybody at one point should go through this type of phasing and programming so they can see how their body responds to it then from there they can take that knowledge and start to manipulate things now some people don't care and they don't want to be and that's why we have created structure and you can literally follow a program program for an entire year if you follow all the programs and you're going to see phenomenal results because how we set it up but if you're an experienced lifter and you you can read a program and you can basically figure out like well what we're doing here and what we're trying to teach absolutely you can modify and change and play with and we encourage that individualization is extremely important I'll tell you what okay I I could write the best maps program ever we could all put one together but it will not be as effective as if we had our hands on one person and we train that individual based on their individual ever you know nothing you could do you know what I feel like like you know programming is in the fitness industry it's like math it's like advanced mathematics right it's like this math it's like advanced mathematics where it's like this really exciting like you know deep algebra right where you know so the average person that looks at a program like they just all they know is like they see it like you know a plus z plus y times you know whatever and they're just like okay it works for me it doesn't work for me and I feel like a lot of professionals out there they pitch their their program in such a in depth and detail that it confuses most people and it just makes them sound like man there must be a lot that goes into this programming science going on right and so then they're just they're just wowed by all the information and so they just assume that these guys must know they're talking about we did with the opposite approach where we're take we're teaching you basic addition basic division basic multiplication now and then working you up to algebra and then trying to n equals whatever right and then encouraging you to write your own mathematical equations like that's and and this is how everybody should really that's the long-term approach it is there is no other approach that's long term right I mean because you'll get like this is where like every camp like kind of comes out of the woodworks right they have like super slow training or they have you know whatever like modality is going to come through the mix that has a lot of merit and has a lot of value but you can't just stay there you know forever what do you do like when you know the results start kind of you know tailoring I would like I would like for us to consider writing a maps program another maps program that addresses it I wanted to do this for some time because I know what the audience says because you know I want to see if there's a you know we want to check the demand there there's a demand but I think there is I think people like to break body parts up a little bit I think there's some value to it especially if you've been training one way for so long and of course in typical mind pump fashion we would write it in a way that would make it superior that's right otherwise otherwise it's blasphemy quick commercial break you guys we keep 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business so don't neglect any area of the gym but the best area is the front desk because it is and it is very easy to talk to people as they walk in and they check in you know you grab their membership card they scan their finger whatever you can see their name on the screen you can yell out hey John how you doing boom whatever you start to get to know people you do that for you know a week and by the time the week is over you start to recognize the same people you can ask people as they're walking in you know hey Sharon what are you working on today oh I'm doing a little bit of this level what class are you taking and now you start the conversation around fitness your goal number one should be to talk to people meet people your goal number two should be to schedule free sessions or assessments and then off that you get people to hire you you do not try to get people to hire you straight up off the floor you can do that but you need to be a you got to be a badass to do that and very few people can do that who aren't already really experienced so I'm glad you went that way because I'm going to go a different direction because something that I don't remember how long it took before I put this together but at one point I realized from a consumer standpoint for you know if you're talking about like people that are coming to your gym or that are buying personal training from your trainers from a consumer standpoint more than half of the people buying your product are satisfied think about that because more than half of the people that come in don't see the results that they showed up for so if you start to look at your business like okay if I was running a completely different business and I bought this product from some company or I invested in this company and I didn't see the return I wanted to see it would be really tough to retain me and keep me happy and when I kind of put this together I started to realize that you know I needed to start putting a lot of my energy and focus on the people that were coming through that we had already captured that we captured and we sold and they were there because I should know that you know more than half of them are not going to get to where they want to be and I don't want those people to come in have an experience with my trainer not see the results they want then give up and then never come back again and never tell their friends and I can't necessarily impact them in a way where I can guarantee them all to get more results because it's inevitable that people are going to quit, they're going to get sick they're going to get tired this and that but what I can do is I can stay closer to those people and make that process a better experience for them so that maybe they don't see the results but they love the service that I provide so much that they recommend another friend or somebody else who potentially may so and this this plays into a strength of mine now in the business that we are in currently and that's my relationship development and this is where this started for me was when I figured this piece out and I've carried that on to every business that I've done going forward because I realized really quick that your true net worth is your net circle and it became really important that I followed up and I started touching these people so what I was really known for in my gym was especially in the ears rubbing and touching ears that's what I did with staff sounds weird you know I had a lot I had relationships with all of my trainer's clients like very few of my trainers had clients that didn't know me pretty well because I made a point to make sure that I walked over and talked to them after their session. You're the mayor. Right and I wanted them to feel that way and I talked to every member on my floor and asked their experience and you know I just spent a lot of time doing this and it doesn't seem like something that pays off right away but you'll be blown away by those people because those are the people that are going to refer to you you know their sister or their aunt or their cousin or someone else that they want to help out and that's really where this business starts to flourish because it isn't inevitable you have to accept that you're not going to satisfy more than half of your people really probably 20% of people that come through the gym end up ever if that ever seeing the body that they dreamed of when they walked in and they signed up and they paid all that money so just really think of it like that that how would you feel investing in another company or a business and not getting the service you want and what would make that process better for you like for example you know we've bought products from companies before where I didn't really care for the product that much I just didn't suit my needs or I found something that was better but I really like the service they called me right away they asked me like what my experience was what could be better about it and I'm just a type of consumer where because of that maybe it was a product that I didn't like very much but I know somebody who probably would enjoy that product and because they did such a good job of servicing me even though it wasn't for me I would actually recommend them to somebody else nothing beats word of mouth right nothing in business it's free so for the yellow pages no Sal that's a very good point nothing does beat word of mouth and that is really powerful and if you can play a role in impacting that and you know what like there's I've talked about on the show before strategies that I've used for my own trainers who worked for me as far as encouraging them and motivating them by setting alarms on my phone as reminders to go say something to them and encourage them on the job that they're doing what a great job they're doing you could do the same thing if you need that reminder to help you out because I need that I'm so time management I'm awful so I need stuff like this to hold myself accountable to you know putting a plan like this together because it's something like we talked earlier in this episode about you know applying something to and doing it for a long enough period of time so you can see results from it this is not something that you're going to go talk to a few clients four or five times and all of a sudden you're going to see your business explode and you're going to have all kinds of more people inside the gym know this is a culture that you need to create it's a culture that you need to have in your gym you have the friendliest people the cleanest you know like most like respected like equipment you know as far as like you come in and you know that you care so the three C's right so this is what another thing I loved about working for a company like 24 hour fitness that had the funds to go after studies or to create studies like this so and survey so they could really figure out what what are the three the three number I don't know if you guys remember this you know that the three C's are the major reasons why someone makes a purchase or stops a gym membership and it's cost convenience and cleanliness so the three the three biggest the three biggest things that you can that kind of crazy chicks that can affect your your business apologize about that would be keeping your gym clean having it convenient so convenience we mean close to their home or open 24 hours or open on days when they can they can come in there and then cleanliness is keeping it clean you'd be surprised how many people decide if they're going to stay at a gym just based off of what the bathrooms look like and what the floors look like in the weight room so if those three are the three C's are the three biggest things that you can do to retain members and then by creating that culture like I'm saying as far as touching all your members for sure also don't forget building relationships with the other people on the team like your front desk staff like the people who clean the club like the people who man the kids club like these people all talk to members and if somebody asks them about training or talks guess who they're going to send them to to you because you're the cool person that's nice to everybody so that's another part of it and that's what I mean by the culture of it right it starts from you as the owner whether you're an owner or a GM of the facility it starts with you creating that by you getting out there you doing it more than anybody else you are helping talking to touching more people than anybody else including staff like Sal saying and then from there it bleeds to the rest of your staff and I tell you what once you get that ball rolling you create that moment and it typically would take me anywhere between I mean later in my career I got good to where I could turn a club and create that culture in about two months but three to four months of being consistent being very consistent with being that person inside your facility and you will have a culture change and when you do you'll fucking feel it and others will feel it when they walk in you won't even need to go get the clients they'll still come to you because like you said the front desk girl is referring people the kids club girl is bringing in family like there's so many people that are working towards the same goal and that is the magic and what I love and I miss about running a big gym is to crush and to you know set records and make tons of money in that business you really have to get everybody moving in the same direction and when you're running a large facility like that at all times I had 30 to 50 plus employees working there that's a lot of people that you need help but if you get 50 people all kind of helping you it's better it's way better than having five of your staff members working hard for you if I got 50 people trying just a little bit for me I'm gonna get way ahead in this game than I am if I have five of my trainers or five of my best people that I spend all my energy on trying to get them better and better at their job it's like no I need to get everybody on board and moving in the same direction next is Amy Knight 35 looking back at all the guests you have interviewed who are your top three interviews should we go 1-1-1-1 go around I kind of know which ones I know Chris Algeri is that how you pronounce his name he was one of my favorite actually his explanation of his process and training and everything else I was just like sucked into that conversation well he could articulate I mean there's not a lot of fighters right? or athletes even that can articulate the process the way that he did so that was a great interview he's got a future in either podcasting he's got a broadcasting position that was awesome and then Dr. Breck McCabe I just like to pick his brain he's like that coach figure he's that guy that you just like you can get so much valuable information psychology from and then what was the other one oh I really enjoyed the Dr. Mercola episode just to listen to him yeah so those are my three was he tripping you out? I just like I don't know I like the outlier people I like the Paul Checks and the Dr. Mercola's of the world I think there needs to be more of them for me the first person that comes to mind very quickly is Paul Check mainly because I have never met a person that exemplifies on a personal level exemplifies wellness as confidently and as calmly as Paul Check I mean he's kind of a master of it and what I mean by that is you've got a guy who you know he's got a six pack not because he's trying to but just that's the side effect of his lifestyle the dude is much older than we are can pull four plates off the floor deadlift no problem incredibly strong overhead press when I think when he was in his 30s and 40s he pressed 120 pound dumbbell above his head is brilliant absolutely one of the smartest people I've ever met when you talk to him about and we didn't even go into on our episodes because I think he's bored with these topics we didn't talk about physiology biomechanics you know the human body like we didn't talk about that much but off air when I talked about these things the guy was just I couldn't believe how much he knew about the human bodies on all levels everything from the microbiome to the brain to the bones to the muscles to the hormones and how they work and how they interact and how they all interact with each other and he was also this he's this brilliant artist he understands meditation and mindfulness on a different level just he's like I said he exemplifies wellness on a personal level and so and when I met him as I was extremely skeptical I had heard a lot about him shit we almost didn't go I had heard about him from other people I was very skeptical so I wasn't going in there thinking like oh I'm gonna be this huge fan and after we met him and talked with him I was like holy shit this guy's like ground break especially when you find out all the stuff that he was talking about 20 30 years ago that we're just starting to talk about now it's pretty crazy so he's got he's my number one gotta be one of my top guys more recently we've met with Mike Mathews who on a personal level I fucking love the guy absolutely love the guy like he's somebody that I would for sure be friends with and hang out with anyway I mean we me and him have a lot of things in common on not just fitness but as a pro his openness to share with us how he's become successful in the fitness industry I mean really cool like super open to share and also just his integrity was very very high like several times he talked about how he ran his business and how he could make more money doing it this way but the reason why he doesn't is because I don't believe in that and I believe in this and I know it's costing me this much money that's all smart the guys by the way he literally will calculate out how much he could make and how much he isn't making but because of his integrity he was going you know he does what he does so and I love meeting people like that and then the third person that I really really enjoyed meeting who has now become like one of mine pumps favorite people that we're just very good friends with is Ben Greenfield I really really like Ben Greenfield and when we first met Ben Ben is a legit weird dude like he's just straight up and I don't meet it in a negative like negative he's not no it's great and no way do I mean that negatively he's just he's been and when we first met him I mean we get to his house which is up in the like the mountains we get there and we ring the doorbell and nobody's coming to the door and it's it's at night so it's kind of dark and cold as fuck and here comes Ben around the corner barefoot and he's like hey can you guys give me a hand real quick and we're carrying bales of hay with him and he's barefoot with his shirt off and I'm thinking like this dude's showing off like for sure it's a front well that's part of it for sure that we get in there we're eating dinner we're all sitting and we're meeting this guy and right away I'm already impressed with how smart he is because he's very very smart but we're sitting there and he's standing on his chair squatting down he looks like a fucking prehistoric bird the way he's sitting with his legs all up and he's kind of lanky and muscular perched so he looks like he kind of does look like a like a caveman almost he's sitting up barefoot by the way he's got hobbit feet you could tell the dude always barefoot he's got these massive gnarly hands and I don't know if he ever washes them because he believes so much in dirt and stuff like that and he's holding a bowl and as we're sitting there he's scooping the food out with his hand like a like and I've never but he's not even tripping like this is just how he is and getting to know the guy he literally like that like this is just how he is he doesn't do this shit on like he's not trying to be whatever he's just like that and you know hanging out with him having conversations with his podcast appearing on his podcast gave us one of the biggest boost I would argue he's probably helped us more than anybody else absolutely and still helps us just like that kind of guy like he we definitely connected we bonded you know with him but just like I'm always just so impressed at how he goes out of his way to really kind of like contribute help us help other people but he's just that kind of guy super cool super smart and what really won me over because when I first meet someone I'm always skeptical in fact I think Paul Jack called me the judge because of that I'm always skeptical right away I'm like oh they're doing this because of that I'm always but what won me over was I don't remember what it was maybe the second day we were hanging out with him yeah we went to the fight yeah we went to the fight and he brought his kids and I'm a sucker for a good parent when I see a parent like really loving their kid and being a good person to their child right away I fucking like you when I saw that I'm like okay he's a he's a fucking cool guy and he is he's a he's a genuine excellent father so let's see is that three yeah yeah he did three you can't go further than that you know it's hard to pick man why we're sitting here Doug is actually to now that we sat here for a minute talking about this yeah man Doug is posting you got a cheat sheet for you well it's only made it worse for me because now I'm looking at names I'm like you know what I remember is now that he's put the all these names up is that you know if you talk to me after some of these right after these interviews I would probably say what say like I mean I have forgot about Rob Wolf's interview was a fucking ran I mean that was a Justin Renz I almost cried in that that was the first time I ever like held back tears about that and an episode ever wanted to hug someone as much as you want right and then even like Jordan Harbinger man Jordan has been one of my favorite people and that was way back when we first started super cool talk about Jamie that was a great one to listen to yeah so if I had to pick so the way I'm going to pick my three because I think there's been there's been way more than three that I think were just so awesome the three that I I think I will have lasting friendships with that I communicate pretty regularly on text message I try my best to try and keep up with all of these people which is fucking ridiculous and hard now that we're over a hundred guests that we've had but I definitely there's definitely a man that I talk a lot to and the ones I really enjoy for sure I've connected a lot with Ben Pekolsky great guy really super good I really like I like everything about him I think he's just he's a good man he's a very intelligent man he's extremely growth-minded he too it goes out of his way to help others very humble I love the where he's at in his life we're similar in age similar like there's a lot of similarities that we have for sure and the direction that he is going with his business is very similar to mine pump and so a lot of parallels there so for sure Ben Pekolsky is one of mine Tom bill you for sure too because he has been you know the way the salad just talked about Ben Greenfield I would argue that Tom bill you for me has been one of the most but now I lean towards him because I really out of everybody we've had nobody I've been able to pick their brain about business as much as Tom bill you his the knowledge that he brings from somebody who's been a part of building like literally ground up building a billion dollar company there there's only there's fucking only a handful of fucking humans that are around that you can talk to that actually were a part of something like that and will that will openly share that and that I'm lucky enough to be connected to and he's that guy and he's open his home to us he's very inspiring to watch what he talk about you know somebody's got a fucking mansion on the top of you know Hollywood Hills but yet he's still driven to build a whole nother business is is so motivating for someone like me to watch and be connected to and communicate to on a regular basis and he gives all kinds of gyms and every interview we've done with him is littered with great information and gyms and books like I've already read two or three books that he's recommended and they've all been great books like so Tom hands down he's probably he's definitely I enjoy his interviews more than Ben because Ben I love Ben and he can he sounds a little monotone when he talks so some people if you're not into bodybuilding you probably don't enjoy that episode as much but I think he's a very smart man and intelligent and I get a lot out of his stuff Tom is more entertaining he changes his voice his stories are great he has a good storyteller yeah he's a great storyteller you know and so Tom is number one for me number two would probably be Ben Pekulski and number three for me and is new for me is Mike Mathews man I really hit it off with him so did I mean we all did I want to change one of mine after you're done I got one Mike Mathews you know like like Sal said I enjoy again a business side for me he's a very close second to Tom Bill you as far as somebody who has shared a lot of that and I enjoy that we are in a right now where we're at with this company you know I've been in I've built multiple business before I've never built something as big as this I've never scaled something beyond eight plus employees we're at eight employees right now and trying to scale this thing and to be able to talk to guys like this who both have 20 plus employees and running a multi-multi-million company it is just and the fact that they share and man Mike did not like hold back anything he that is I appreciate because I feel like on this way too if somebody asked me if you're an entrepreneur and you get to know me and we're off the mics I will share a lot of the stuff that people think it's true. That's a sign of confidence. Yeah people think that like what are you doing and people are like oh don't tell your I hate that people are so secretive about money and revenue because everyone wants to put this facade on like they're making more where I'll put it all out there like this is where I'm at financially this is where I'm trying to be like can you help me and he's the type of guy who does it the same way where you know this is how much money I make off of this this is how where I've struggled this is what's costing me tons of money here's mistakes I've made and people like that man when you find someone like that you latch the fuck on to someone like that because they're rare to find and someone at that level that intelligent is has been fucking awesome so Tom bill you Mike Matthews been packed for my top three yeah jodicina we have an airty yeah but he's hurting it oh my god you guys are in for a treat I can't wait to I just remember that because you're talking about storytelling oh my god and that's the best stories I've heard well we all agreed when we when we hung up on that episode that it was our favorite to listen to I mean that was I that was I've never done an interview where I'm I like I enjoyed talking much but yes this is good he's the one guest where he's talking and I'm literally just totally listening oh I really forget I push the mic away and I just sat back with like and was laughing and listen oh man he was yeah I'm excited to release that very very entertaining look out for that right look look forward to that one quick commercial break hey people ask us all the time how they can support here's what you can do you can go to www.brain.fm forward slash mind pump and get 20% off brain fm for meditation or focus you can also go to audibletrial.com forward slash mind pump and get a 30-day trial plus one free audio book lastly you can go to go get nature blend dot com forward slash mind pump and you will get a discount on Ben Greenfield CBD product KCM Zav have you guys considered doing some kind of prime prime pro certification for trainers definitely yeah absolutely in fact you're in our heads in fact we are scheduling and I don't even know if we can give the date yet of what's going on here Doug we have the tentative day we can talk about it yeah but we don't have a way for people yet to yeah I know we can sign up but I mean you can tell the tentative date that's coming on because it will be a sign up list and it will fill up fast because it's dark when is it coming up airplane tickets when's it when's the date Doug do you know here while I talk here Doug will look that up so we are definitely going to host a train the trainer day here at mind pump media studio so you get to come here mind pump media you get to see the whole facility get to see the the studio and then we're going to take a group of trainers work in the business and help them become six figure plus trainers now at some point in the future it will turn into something that looks like a certification where you get certified we're not doing that yet because we want to make sure we do well fucking good job complete transparency what we're doing is this first one and that's why we know it'll fill up because it'll be absolutely free it's going to be free and the reason why it's free is because there won't be a lot of structure to it a lot of in fact a lot of it will be us asking the trainers where we can help them where the holes are we can you know help you in this direction we want a solid group probably around 50 or so trainers here that we can ask where we can help them and give first and we're going to give everything that we can and then from there we can start to structure something and then I'm sure one or two more after that we'll start to finalize it as a real certification but absolutely we're heading in that direction and the beginning process of that is about to come up here in about a month Doug tentatively October 21st I believe so around it's October 21st around that yeah so you keep your ears your eyes peeled and your ears open because we will make the announcement when we're ready for people to register for this it'll be absolutely for free and it'll be just I mean like Adam said we're going to limit it to a certain amount of people so I don't know if it'll be 50 30 whatever but we want it to be a group that works together obviously headed by me Adam and Justin and it's going to help us in the future create certifications I will say this and this is just me thinking out loud the original trainers that we meet with those some of those best ones at some point I could foresee becoming people that help teach some of our certifications so we all the three of us all share that that in common where we're very loyal to people so you come to the first one we work with you we see you're doing a good job you're implementing what we're talking about then we'll probably going to want to pluck people from that group and somehow utilize them as a part of our it's probably one of the things that we're most excited about it in fact I mean I've been antsy for quite some time to get get to this point but we knew that there was a lot of things that we had to get in place then we have the foundation especially the programs we had to have the correct element in there you tube stuff now we kind of have like pretty much like what we need to work with as far as like addressing all these different issues so now it's just a matter of like organizing it in a way where it's like turn key because for your average trainer because you talk about each of our individual strengths and this is much more in our wheelhouse than almost anything else anything else I could train a trainer better than I've been salivating for this I mean it's one of the few things I could think of that I love as much or more than personal training is working with trainers and helping them build oh I would much rather work with trainers than actual clients for sure yeah I would I love to help trainers become better trainers and better businessmen and women that I do like helping individual one-on-one clients so this is going to be this will be fun I'm really looking forward to this this is one of the few things that you know I feel like we can walk in and make it an impact right away with the trainer so yeah like Adam was saying the first one's going to be us finding out what you guys need in the first group is going to get a lot of personal attention because we're going to work with people you know one-on-one breaking up into groups will work on I'm sure we're going to work on an assessment process and prospecting and closing the deal and how to structure your pricing and how to program your workouts and you know where what kind of gym you should look to work in and how to build your business if you're a private trainer versus if you're in a big box and you know how to build your skills what certifications you should look for I'm sure we're going to 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