 Welcome back to the 21 convention 2019 of Orlando, Florida Our next speaker you can find a free domain calm He has over 600 million podcast downloads and about a million YouTube subscribers and in my judgment He's one of the greatest living philosophers alive today. He's also dedicated to reason philosophy and saving Western civilization Gentlemen without further ado, please let me welcome the stage. It's to fan Molly new Thank you, thank you Thank you so much Really really appreciate it you guys can hear me. All right Good good. Okay, so I'm gonna introduce you to my superpower and My superpower is something that I kind of discovered at an early age I'm gonna pass it along to you so that you can use it to really help the world the superpower is really fascinating because we live in a post Philosophical society we live in a post reason society in a post evidence society and it's really fascinating how we've got rid of universal ethics and Replaced it with insanely complex Vicious judgments. There's an old saying that says if you get rid of the big laws You don't get no laws. You get thousands of tiny laws and that's the case There were ten commandments. How many commandments are there in woke leftist culture? 10,000 and counting so once you understand That Nobody has any values objective values. I mean there are there are Christians which I respect and that's great but in terms of the public square it's dominated largely by post modernists relativists subjectivists Neo Marxists outright Marxists and it's all power. It's all power and manipulation So the see the superpower Which I'm gonna put on full display today is this if you don't have a problem with what you're saying Other people are like Okay That's a very very powerful thing Because I've had it commented to me many times that I can say things that other people won't touch with a ten-foot pole and Walk out like some superhero from the smoking rubble, you know Luke Skywalker style just brushing stuff off my shoulders and that is because if I don't have a problem with what I'm saying It's really hard for other people to have a problem with what I'm saying So with that in mind I will demonstrate the superpower and listen Let's do a back-and-forth here because you know, this is just a high big high-red screen unless we're Participating so you know throw your hand up and if I ask for feedback or whatever feel free to yell out But this is the superpower. I think particularly in this room at this convention there are So many of us who have so much to say to women and We don't Why because we're scared And and I'll tell you why we have good reason to be scared so this speech is Everything we want to say to women now. We only have an hour So to speak really fast sound like faxing but no, so we don't have a lot of time So I've tried to really sort of boil it down to the essentials But whatever I miss, you know, just let me know and we'll we'll talk about it Also, I'm gonna do a workshop this afternoon at 1 30 just you know I do I've done a call-in show for like 15 years So just you know come and we'll talk philosophy about whatever you whatever your issues are Whatever you want to work through we'll do that and that'll be a lot of fun a very powerful. I'm sure so I'm gonna generalize Just brace yourself. I'm gonna generalize because you know There's this rule on the internet and in public discourse that you say here's a general rule Here's an exception. I know I know Men on average are taller than women. Oh, yeah, I know a tall woman and That's how you take discourse out back of the woodshed and put a bullet in its head So yes, I'm gonna generalize and and not you guys so much But you know whenever this ends up out on the web people are gonna be like exception exception exception exception It's like I know I know I know But we're gonna we're gonna do it anyway because you know we're talking about men and women and their generalities to be right so the first question is and You guys let me know what you think. I don't think I'm alone in Being scared of telling women the truth. It seems to be if you ever follow my Twitter account, you can see that stating basic biological and evolutionary truths appears to be attempted to dry hump a wasp's nest The guys who laugh are the guys who've tried it So that's like vivid personal experience, right? I'm not pleased to see you. I just humped a wasp nest earlier You know that thing I love about life because I never know what I'm gonna say So I see things like that and sentences. I never thought I'd say in my life Okay, so if you've been nervous just you know throw your hand up your bell or something out if you've been nervous Oh, yeah, okay the wasp nest guys Why do you think or is it true for you that you feel nervous to tell women basic truths like there's a wall You know stuff like that, right? What do you what do you think? Why is it? Why are you nervous? Could get heated okay, they won't accept it what else they will freak out Yeah, based on what evidence I'm just kidding. Just kidding. No, what they want to shoot the messenger, okay? Anything else? They won't Okay, so it's like, you know teaching cha cha to a meerkat or something. Okay, all right anything Okay, but that wouldn't be fear that would just be like why bother, right? So is it fear of blowback is it fear of being attacked is right But you know women are smaller in general and you know, it's it's online. So they're not like in the room right with some machete So I think that there's a good reason why we're scared Because women Can Kill us and I don't mean physically. I mean genetically because we're talking about the West here, right? So in the West Consent has been the norm for Reproduction for thousands of years You know, we don't wrap our women in a bag and keep them in the house, right? At least I hope you don't So what can women do to us? That's so terrifying Well, they can say no They can say no Do you know what percentage of men throughout? History have not reproduced 60% any anyone else Are you from are you from Saudi Arabia, I'm just So it depends where you look at but the number is around 40% of men did not reproduce now that sucks Like yeah, I think what is it 3 billion 4 billion years of evolution? And think of all that struggle, you know, like some single-celled organism eyeballing the open air saying all right We're gonna make a break for it. We're going out of the ocean. We hit the sand boys We got and fighting and dying and and and then like four billion years and then you she says no, that's it It's like the Texas shot shooter just blows off your balls because the evolution of your entire line stops There when she says no Like here's an interesting question. Tell me what you guys think why on earth do men go to war? Now there are wars like guys people are invading the guys are obviously guys are invading your local space, right? So there are those wars where it's like, okay, I regret I gotta pull out my sword to go fight or whatever, but you know like Syria Kuwait Iraq, I mean just like why why why did guys go to war? Why do you think I mean so so I remember thinking about this as a kid, right? And now there's the draft and all of that But I think it was in the First World War hundreds of thousands of American men's just said you want the draft? Here's my butt and they just didn't go not much happened Why why did why do men go and fight in these useless wars? It's not like they're well-paid. Yes deep pacification that certainly is a Brazilian wax I think it's going to be Should I bring more of my inner sensor to bear on the conversation or not no, okay Okay. All right, then I'm gonna just start okay Okay, so yeah, you don't want to be called a pussy, right? Okay. What else why why I mean you risk in life and limb trauma To preserve life. Well, yeah, but it doesn't I mean really you know war in Syria and Libya. I mean this doesn't preserve life, right? Honor okay honor right that's fair. Oh, yeah, cuz all those Libyans were coming over in canoes, right? But yeah, that's what the story is right sorry But the soldier doesn't have power because the soldier has to take orders Right the illusion of power. Yeah, now I would say you guys know you're woke enough, right to these issues You know about the white feather campaign You guys heard this any how many people have what happened you have Okay, well real brief then so a man can be killed with a feather. It's amazing thing It's an amazing thing and I'm not just talking some like Swedish BDSM thing, but or am I? No, I'm not so a man can be killed with a feather because in the first world war Everybody was in like the British were very enthusiastic. Why because there hadn't been a war in Western Europe since the end of the Napoleonic Wars in 1815 the Franco Prussian a little bit here and there, but So everyone was like, oh, I know what war is War is like all those paintings that we see there's a white horse. You're charging. There's cheers There's you know, like all the stuff you play as a kid, you know, like that's war and That they were all signing up and they were terrified. It was gonna be over by Christmas. That was the word right 1914 Oh, man, it's gonna be over by Christmas. I gotta get in there and get my stories and get my medals and my heroism spoiler It wasn't over by Christmas my first world war just went on and on and really was the greatest catastrophe to hit the Western world ever ever Wiped out almost all of the economic gains from the industrial revolution. So all those kids got black lung for nothing and after a while People were like I don't really want to go like it. It's trench warfare, which is just about the worst thing The truth came out that war is Not riding up a hill with a sword and cheering and right heroic noble death if necessary, but war is sitting in a Half frozen muddy ditch with rats gnawing off your toes while some asshole 20 miles away pushes a button and blows you up And of course there was the Christmas piece Where the British and the German soldiers said hey, it's Christmas. Let's just play football soccer It was terrifying to the powers to be that people might realize they have much more in common with the people across the trench than the people high up at their power structure So men didn't want to go So enlistments just cratered so women Would take a white feather and they would walk up and down the streets And if they saw a military aged man who was not in uniform, they would hand him a white feather, which was a symbol of Calidus and this was terrifying to men now this makes no sense when you think about it, but then it does So it makes no sense because like ooh a feather Sure, I'll go get my ass blown off in a trench But here's the thing The reason that men go to war Is because women won't sleep with them if they don't that's it and this motivates so much of what we do And it's not crazy and it's not neurotic. It makes perfect sense evolutionarily speaking. Let's say you go to war and let's say You have a 50% chance of dying But if you don't go to war, no woman will sleep with you For the continuance of your genetics. Is it better to go to war or not? Better to go to war. If you go to war, you got a 50% chance of passing on your genes If you don't go to war, you have zero percent chance the passing on your genes That's why we're scared Because all the men who said I don't care what women think Offended an upset women where they were like, no, thanks boy. Sorry. We're closed. They used the old, you know the old You can get birth control for ten cents Just hold it there So if women said we're not gonna sleep with you if you don't fight you go fight Because then you've got a chance to continue your genes. Otherwise it ends right there. So we're scared now Do you guys do Twitter? Just hands up if you do Okay, so on Twitter, there's kind of like a cliche like if you upset women What are the women say? In cell right involuntary celibate, right? Who hurt you? What else you live in your mom's basement, right? Neck beard, right Sorry Small penis Not necessarily no penis no functional penis. I suppose that's the install thing, right? So yeah, you can't get laid Small penis your mommy issues and so on right Now that of course is You know how like they do things in the military They'll paint you with a target that you can't see and then some other infrared thing points out the target So women what they're trying to do is draw a motor around you and they'll say this very explicitly online. They'll say Ladies here's a symbol. Here's exactly who you should never date They'll broadcast it out across the gyno-centric undertow network, right? Don't date this guy Right, that's genetic death. It's the rejection sharpshooter that takes off your balls genetically They are warriors Because a warrior can end your bloodline if he kills you before you have children or kills your children as well Women can do the same thing Now That's fine. I have no problem with that Of course women should be able to say no to anyone and everyone that they want But let's at least recognize that that's a very powerful thing and all the men who said I don't care Offended women the women didn't sleep with them and that indifference was weeded right out of the gene pool Right, so we're scared because we're smart and we're scared because we're these blind photocopies who want to make more of us and We need women to do it So that's why it's hard to tell women the truth because if they get mad and they tell all the other women and remember our brains We don't know that there's more than a hundred people around Because we grew up in these little villages these little tribes little farming communities and so on It's like Armish Horizon world To our lizard brains, so if women start the slander campaign against you You're done so you can't anger women except today Maybe it's because I already have a kid maybe it's because I'm very happily married I don't know but I have the capacity to so so these are the things That I think we we should talk about and I think women should hear Because it's one thing to have the genetic death power. It's another thing to have the sexual power It's another thing to have the outvoting men political power out living men political power. You put all those things together and The great danger is you create a generation of vapid self-obsessed narcissists who explode into two-year-old tantrum toddler Explosions of verbal abuse whenever they're Omnipotent wills across And we want to make sure that never happens in the future because it might it just might so In no particular order This is what I think women need to hear number one the wall takes no prisoners What does that mean my friends in the front is a sell-by date your ex are gonna die and And this all the power nature balances out right all the sexual power that women have When they're young Falls off a cliff in extraordinary rapidity now Here's the thing though is that when met when we're young and we have less sexual market value than women supply and demand hormones and receptivity We can if we can screw up for a while and I'm sure everyone has I know I have you but then you can recover, right? So you know I went to theater school I got a history degree because I'm all about the earning right, but then I was like wake up, dude And I went and started a software company So you can shake it off and you can turn things around if you make but if you if a woman takes full advantage of that sexual magnetism of youth and you know Huyngo Boing goes around the Community then by the time she hits her late 30s It's too late and then you get like a half century of regret I'm one of my biggest tweets over the last couple of months was me just saying women your eggs die at 40 You live to 80. What are you gonna do for 40 years? I think that's a reasonable question It is and and because I don't have a problem asking it people get mad and I just think it's okay Like this how you toughen up, right? It's how you toughen up. I remember when I was a kid You mean we all have the same I had a Scottish teacher of a gym teacher, which is barely a teacher, but Then he had this, you know full-on Scottish whiskey tobacco breath and all of that right and I remember getting my face slammed into the Wood on the ground during wrestling and you know youth walk it off, you know Walk it off. It's like it's my face. I don't walk on my face. Anyway, but of course, you know a girl stubs her toes They're like nurse, right? It's just I don't know. It's a double stand. It's which are kind of inevitable, right? but there's a wall and By the time the woman figures out that there's a wall. It's too late and That's you know, if we care about women and of course we should Then we have to remind them about the wall. It's important. I Mean, it's not just important for women's happiness But if we like this crazy little thing we have called the civilization you know we're gonna need a baby or two and reminding that and and Oddly enough one of the most Interesting and powerful courses I ever took I did two years of English literature before I went to theater school Then I finished undergraduate and graduate in history, but in my English literature course. We did Victorian novels Right sounds boring as hell right, but it was incredible because these Victorian novels and the pre-Victorian novels were basically written with one aim in mind to remind women that they the power that they have Will not last and they need to choose the best man they can in the bloom of their youth and sexual beauty Because it's gonna fade and just remind remind remind train women and also train women how to Spot guys who are unreliable, you know like the rakes the guys who use women and just toss them aside and the pump and dumps and the You know dine and dash kind of guys right to train them how to do that Because now women seem to have completely lost the ability to figure out the good guys from the bad guys and we just need to remind them Because do you guys remember what it was like before puberty right like before? You know when girls were like oh you want to play baseball really? Okay, I guess his sister can come along right Because it was a drag, you know I used to play because I grew up in England in the 70s and we used to lick this war obsessed right second world war We played war games all the time right and Occasionally not often, but the girls would come like we want to play, too And it was like we don't need a nurse because it's all you want to be we heal with man magic and It was a drag right it was a drag because you know it play tag, you know the girl gilly run right? it's just It was kind of a drag and it was like a negative right and then suddenly It's it literally was for me like one day girls are like Yeah, and the other day it's like girls girls girls girls girls girls girls You know like this tsunami of hormones just jets up from the base of your spine and turns you into a monomaniac and It's like it's like well. It's possession Basically, it was an ancient Greek philosopher who said what he loved about being in his 70s was he finally felt free of the demon of last and I'll tell you something Even at the time I Don't know if you ever have this thought even at the time when the all of these hormones are coursing through you And all you can think about is girls At the time I remember thinking to myself If girls are so innately appealing Why do I need all these hormones? It's a big question, isn't it? It's a big question You know if you've got some guy some friend right and you only want to hang with them It's if he's flying you to Cabo for the weekend your friend at some point is going to say Why do I have to keep flying my friends to combo for the weekend? Why don't they just interested in me? Why don't they just like me? It's like you're a douchebag, but we like Cabo and I remember that like girls going from kind of annoying to like the reason to get out of bed and The morning the reason why I had to pretend to pay tennis to explain my carpal tunnel. I mean all of that Take a moment So When you get that full-on geyser of hormones that just makes you think about girls all the time There is that question like and and you lose your reason. I mean you really do man This is why philosophy became very important to me because if I just surrendered to hormones You just you just washed up a cliff. We all know guys who just like smashed up against Female narcissism or whatever. It's it's really brutal. I mean it's crazy stuff What's the craziest thing you did in your teens to get women's attention or to please women? I'll give you mine. Why not? That's all the craziest. So I had a math test. It was really really important and I had a pencil and the girl in front of me turned around and said Hey, can I can I use your pencil? I had one pencil. I said listen, I don't want genetic death. So here you go. I Gave her my pencil Whereas you know like a year earlier if you're like, hey, you don't have a pencil No, and it's weird because I look sitting there at my test like literally thinking can I gouge my finger and Write in blood to the answer to this math question But that's how insane it becomes Can't say no can't upset the ladies. It's genetic death. Ah, you know, I can survive Without doing well on a math test, but I cannot survive Women saying no to me, which is genetically completely true All right, anybody else got a silly story about Crazy things you did to impress women. Oh, I got another one. I've had a friend of mine's place and there were these two gymnasts okay, sorry just having a private moment there were these two gymnasts there and They were showing how they could like I wouldn't do it here, but you could like Hand head down like a tripod and your legs go up on the wall And of course, you know, they do this and their tops, you know, you see the bellies and his gymnast taughtness and all that It's like very attractive, right? So I'm like, oh I could do that Now I was a runner. I was a swimmer tennis and I was not any kind of gymnast I have the flexibility of your average slab of sidewalk so I Do this and I take I figured the best way to do it is to take a run at it You know to get some momentum. What did I do? I just put my head through the wall That does not get you extra points unless you've got a lot of money for the Russian judges but So this is just crazy stuff that you do to to get and keep the attention of women and then there's that fork in the road, right? Because sensibly, you know, you should go for a sensible solid dependable woman But then there's that crazy hot factor. You know, this is stuff I've talked about on my show the R versus K selection you can look it up if you want on my channel, but I Remember there was this girl really really nice girl And the sad thing is I actually remember all of these names even now like I don't know close to 40 years later Really nice girl. She played the cello and she had a t-shirt totally nerdy cello power really nice girl You know we chatted really great conversationalist, right? But then there was this really hot German girl Now, you know going back in time, you know, you know the sensible course, you know good mom for the kids You know reliable steady good support system great friend and so on. It's like yeah, but but German Harness, so of course I go out with the German girl. Why apparently I like being ordered around and You just make all of these crazy decisions and that's the power that women have and of course they know it But they don't want to talk about it explicitly Because it's kind of humiliating To say men need me not because of the innate qualities of my character or the virtues that I've earned or the great conversational abilities I've developed or the knowledge I have accrued But because they have excess fluids They're like a submarine that needs to surface dump the fluids dump the fluids That's kind of humiliating and so it's not talked about that much I Did talk recently on Twitter about makeup because I mean you guys probably know all of the etiology of makeup right the makeup is Designed to simulate sexual arousal right so lipstick when a woman gets actually aroused I can see it in the back Just kidding. So when a woman gets sexually aroused She her lips get fuller and they get redder her cheeks flush, right? This is the the root of blush and so on right and Her pupils sort of dilates a little her eyes get a little wider Which is why a mascara makes eyes pop and all of that and why those weird creepy Disney eyes have like complete baby Facial features like this is the creepy once you see that in Disney cartoons It's like really creepy because you know eyes are the one thing that don't change in size over the course of her life And so you when you were a baby you got giant eyes and so basically Disney princesses are all it's all petto crap but so for women coming into a room with blatant signs of sexual arousal is Pretty manipulative right and in the business world would be entirely inappropriate I mean can you imagine if I had a business meeting and I came in with a full-on Freddie Mercury or Justin Trudeau Cucumber like spinal tap just strapped to my leg there and just kind of sat there like this You know with some woman sitting there and that would be like what are you insane? What are you like bringing a full-on forearm boner to a business meeting? You think I'm joking But it's it's it would be it would be wildly inappropriate for a man to bring signs of sexual arousal to a business meeting But women do it all the time All time And they don't like to have it pointed out because once you see the magic It's not magic Knowledge is power when it when with regards to female manipulation. Do you guys know what high heels are for? Sorry Longer legs. Yeah, but I mean I don't know that men particularly care about longer legs depending on your sexual position preference or whatever right a couple of telephone books, but Sorry Yeah, what it does. I'm sorry to do this to you with an image you'll never lose right So it puts your butt out and then because you're like right so puts your butt out and then you you Go forward which pushes your boobs out or in my case my boobs right so That's what it's for it's to turn you into that ridiculous kind of twisted oblong push out your boobs push out your butt And then when you walk right there was some model who said it's just basically putting your butt on a wobbly shelf, right? Which you know it's fun to do too, but so it's again just designed to show sexual attributes to men and It's cheating it was not cheating and dating I mean all fair and love and war But I mean it's wildly inappropriate in their business context So yeah, I mean I think it's important that if women want equality Which according to some of the paperwork I've seen from some time ago. They have some interest in Then you can't you can't do the cheating at the same time as the equality, right? And that's something the women need to hear That's something because excuse me if a woman Relies on her sexual attractiveness, you know, we're we're mammals You know when when when you get home like if you're driving your long drive home, right? You get home. What do you do? You get out of your car and you go sit in your house because you you're there Why would you keep driving? And so what we do is we do enough to get what we want and we don't generally do more Right if you order a big Mac, they don't give you five, right? Because you ordered a big Mac to give you a big Mac, right? So we do just enough to get what we want and if women have this sexual power and and makeup and all of this kind of stuff heels and then They'll get what they want and they won't do most won't do more Which means that they're missing out on all of the qualities of character that they could develop that are actually long-lasting and Good for raising children and good for being a great partner or a great business woman if that's what she wants to be So by giving women all of this power, we're taking away the qualities of character that they could develop in the absence of that power It's like a kid What's almost literally like a kid? What is it some kid just became a billionaire at the age of 14 or 15 because his parents just gave him over a billion dollars? You think he's gonna be working fast food anytime soon. No Because now he's got the resources. So why would he work that? That's why it's you know rags to riches to rags in three just shirts leaves to shirts leaves three generations, right? First generation works like crazy second generation Works less third generation blows it off It's a churn. It's a cycle Once we have stuff we stop striving for stuff once we get home We stop driving and if women have all of this value because of hormones and makeup and sexual manipulation and so on we're robbing them of Quality of character Which we need because as you know trust between the genders trust between sexes is Kind of catastrophically low at the moment and that's because women They have this crazy tinder swipe They have all of these online apps so they get all the male attention that they want in relative security and the media Doesn't tell them about the wall When was the last time you saw a story on TV in the movie theater anywhere even online a story which goes something like this I wasted my youth. I took the full bloom of my beauty and I squandered it on meaningless shallow self-destructive sexual encounters Like overused Velcro. I lost my capacity to bond. I got an STD or five You know, what's it the cougars a woman's sexual prime is in her 40s. Well, it's not true, of course It's not true. It's just a way to It's cougar propaganda, right and It's just not it's not true. It's not true And of course if you say well a woman's sexual prime is in her 40s because she's had so much experience like that Alanis Morissette song about all of her former lovers It's like yeah, I know I know why it was called jagged little pill because that's a whole lot of antibiotics to be taking But you don't hear the story of the woman who's like, oh my god, it's my late 30s. I got to go find a man I'm almost like the shop is closing for babies. I got baby rabies Got the fever I want a baby and now I've got to start trying to attract a man When I've been working a desk job making useless spreadsheets as a form of affirmative action hire for the last 20 years My butt's wider than a stew to bake her and I'm starting to get a mustache You want some right? I mean and and who's left? right, who's left in your 30s Some quality. I mean I met my wife my 30s. So again, these are generalities, right? But who's left in your 30s? It's like it's like me going to California now With a tilly hat and saying hey, I hear there's a gold rush Right. Sorry man. That was picked clean a long time ago all the quality people snapped up and off the market It's like a really great used car. You never see it on the market Nobody's gonna sell it So you don't see those stories the media hides the wall From women and you get these ridiculous stories like there's a Bridget Jones diary story I watched just for like pure anthropological research where this kind of chunky neurotic alcoholic woman in her 40s has two billionaires Desperate to be the father of her unknown child and it's like oh my god I mean there's fiction and then there's just outright fantasy and like I'll believe in orcs before I'll believe in that Here's another thing that women need to hear a baby Is not your body don't you always hear that you got life growing in your belly. I can't imagine I Can't imagine. It's like it's like to me like a big Indian meal comes to life. I get bloated. That's what I'm saying anyway So Growing a life. It's not your body. Do you know that the baby can have a different blood type from the mom? You know what is your body a kidney a Kidney is not a kid The kidney after nine months doesn't say fuck it. I'm out of here. I'm done, but this darkness man I hear there's some light out there. I hear some cool sounds Music I think is out there. It's kind of muffled But I'm busting out man doesn't sit there and like Alien style come out your side. I don't see a lot of parents rolling around a kidney in a bag in a carriage Look, I have a kidney No, it's it's ridiculous because this is what the perception is I get yeah, the kidney is your body man I get that hundred percent But a kid is not your body A kid is not your body. So my body my choice Does the kid get a choice as the kid get a say and of course every now and then as a man I respond is it at all possible that it could be My wallet my choice irradiated bald patch on the ground where a human being used to be right Baby is not your body another thing that women seem to have really swallowed is The world is overpopulated You ever hear that, you know, you should think about maybe having some kids It's a really wonderful thing in its life and it's why you're here and all that. No the world is overpopulated It's not wildly overpopulated by smart people Lots of not smart people. You know the opening seemed to idiocracy that previously known as Fiction now known as documentary footage We're like the low IQ people are just like baby baby baby baby because they're not sitting there going Well, but the long-term effects of the baby on the co2 of the atmosphere They're like I was horny Protection what am I a pussy? So you get like low IQ replicants coming at your ass sometimes it seems like but the smart people like I don't know. I'm gonna have to see what happens with my IRA So, yeah, well, it's not wildly overpopulated by smart people And if we're gonna have lots of not so smart people having babies We're gonna need a couple of smart people to figure out how to feed and Clothe them and give them health care and all that so yeah Overpopulation here's another thing that ladies need to hear for the vast majority of you That's not a real degree It's not a real degree Do you know that the vast much well a significant majority of the debt student debt is held by women, right and What did they study? Gender studies right because you know we want to break all the stereotypes, right? Because women choose to get involved in fields where they deal with people and men are more comfortable with abstractions and computers and Physics and math and all that kind of stuff, right just fine nothing wrong with it And we know that this is not the result of patriarchy Because the state is based basically matriarchy that was going to be a marital speech I thought this would be more fun, but We know that because in places like India when women don't have a lot of freedom they go into like computers and they go into being doctors Researchers and so on right, but then when they get more freedom and wealth increases, and they're more choices. Where do they go? Social worker psychologist teacher teacher teacher teacher So when they get more choices they go into more sex segregated fields Now some of them are real, you know, we need teachers and so on although it'd be nice if they weren't just Marxist indoctrinators But that's a topic for another time But it's not you know for the most women. It's not not a real degree now again I say this but see here's the weird thing is that I got a degree and a master's degree in history the history of philosophy specifically But I was able to weirdly monetize it on the web, right? I mean that's like that makes no sense at all I couldn't have predicted that in the early 90s when I graduated. Here's my plan I'm gonna get a useless degree I'm gonna spend 15 years as a waiter But then what's gonna happen is an intergalactic web of human communication is going to be developed the likes of which humanity has never seen Before it's gonna be completely free and I'm gonna be able to monetize it magically over the web And that's what they call a business plan Literally, it's like it's like fuck savings. I'm just gonna play the lottery. I Won That's what you should do. No, it's uh It's crazy. So it's they're not real degrees and here's the thing So I remember once going on a date. I met a woman at the gym and I went on on a date with her nice nice nice young young woman, but She was telling me How in debt she was from her student loans, right and it was gender studies and all that right so I'm a man, which means I'm a resource manager, right? What do men do we? protect them we provide We protect and we provide and these are the two things that the government has taken away from us Which is why there's male suicide depression anxiety in an opioid crisis We can't provide for our women because the government does it for us, which means they can treat us like shit And get our money anyway and When you take people's money by force You end up having contempt for them because otherwise you feel guilt for being parasitic It's a basic fact, right? You'll notice that the welfare state became before the general condemnation of men in popular culture the men are idiots man Because you have you if you can trick women into taking stuff from men by force through the power of the state Then automatically women will start to denigrate men Because when you're exploiting someone You can't think of them as Great or good or noble or heroic or you can't think of them positively at all You have to denigrate them so you can exploit them. That's why the devil bribes and then The distrust mounts the hostility and the hatred mounts So I was looking at this woman. She's $17,000 In debt now this is that's a lot of money now, but back then it was even more I was like I don't know double or something like that and And you know the thoughts went through my brain pretty clearly Okay, so it's 17,000 bucks. That's after tax money. So I got it earned like I don't know like 30,000 bucks To just pay off this woman's debt if we get married. That's gonna be my debt. I want to have kids It's gonna delay kids by what how long does it take to pay up to make it pay off 30,000 bucks for quite a while So it's just like you know Hey, I'll buy you a coffee, but that's it, right Because we're so when when you laden down women with these crazy dads For degrees with almost no economic utility or negative economic utility if you count the debt It's a form of population control. You understand that's taken the smartest women putting them in school Training them to hate men be useless come out with debt and then men don't want to marry them And but people don't talk about this because there's endless propaganda Go to school go to university go to university gotta go to university. Why? Well because Marxists love nothing more when they claim that they don't want to exploit the workers Then propagandizing Workers into paying for their own indoctrination into Marxism It's a horrible horrible scenario My daughter and people say well, where do you want to go to university and I haven't talked to her about this much, right? And she's just like university I Read There's the internet like well, I mean university now I could understand you know back when only 10% of the population went to university now It's like 40 50% so it's not a real degree Because and here's the thing too if it was a real degree you could handle being disagreed with you could handle being disagreed with a Story I read when I was in my early teens Was about a guy who was he was who wanted to be a swimmer He was a teenager wanted to be a swimmer, but he was bullied off the beach by the mean kids So he had to go to some other beach where there was this terrible undertow it was really cold There were rocks and that's where he had to train because he was being bullied off the nice beach and Then of course the story is that he he went and won every competition. Why because he trained under adversity Right where the muscles come from resistance, how do you sharpen a sword sparks? The sand wheel heat pressure if it was a real degree Women would not get upset with being disagreed with It's not a real degree for the most part again, there are exceptions It's not a real degree for the most part because you're not being challenged. How do you? Corrupt a man how do you corrupt a woman because the powers to be they want us all corrupted and dependent and uncertain, right? Well, it's funny because I think that you corrupt a man with excessive insults and I don't mean the kind of like Jovial locker room guy insults But like when you really go for his and this is what women are trying to break men down with penis size and in cell And you can't get laid and all that kind of stuff, right? Which is really insulting to women, right? Like all I can come up with is saying no But how do you corrupt a woman when you corrupt a woman with excessive praise? You corrupt the woman with excessive praise because it makes her hyper sensitive It makes her very difficult to disagree with and when women look disagreeable men don't want to marry them at all And that's how you corrupt women and Sometimes it gets frustrating as a philosopher to look at men at this addiction to status like men status and domination and so on And that's you know, but there's really upsides to that like why we have this room is like some some guy wanted to get laid So he built a room to impress a woman. That's great. You know, we we can We can use the the products of his sexual display to to have a conference and talk about ideas and so on So this for men the great weakness is status But for women the great weakness is vanity because it comes with that massive surge of tsunami male attention when they're young and attractive and If you continue to praise and praise and praise women They become Hot house flowers. They become very over delicate, right? There's an amazing thing which you should really really look up I'm sure you know this guy Detochville was a French aristocrat who came to America and wrote an amazing book Called democracy in America. He was originally coming to just study the prison system being done up examining everything And you know the most amazing thing that he said Was this he said the great power the greatest power of America is It's women. Can you imagine saying that now? But why? why was Femininity female nature in the nascent America in the frontier in the West. Why was it so? Noble so powerful so strong It was well, no welfare state healthy voluntary relations between males and females Challenge, you know, we are you know like hamsters in a wheel and you know, you know that they're not getting anywhere But they just like it so when we remove challenges from our life. We don't end up being at peace We just end up inventing challenges So women's great challenge, of course is to choose the right guy So she doesn't get pregnant out of wedlock and destroy her life in the absence of a welfare state, right? So when women get the vote they vote for the welfare state They vote for old-age pensions just in case they've been a shitty mom and their kids don't care for them So they take away. Oh, look, we've taken away risk for women. I If you get pregnant out of wedlock, we've to magically turned babies from liabilities into assets That's reversing the entire evolutionary course of human life So we've taken away risk from women Married the wrong guy in a problem. You can divorce them and take half of stuff or more In California, what is the law like if you've married a woman for 10 years, you've got a supporter for the rest of her life Not overly strong and independent Close but not Not over so we take away risks from women and we add risks to men, right? Because men now have to fight massive taxation. That is like the welfare state is basically the single mother state, right? So we take away these challenges for women And do they say wow, this is great. I can finally be at peace No Now When you take away challenge when you take away natural challenges from people they just invent artificial ones because we are a We didn't get to be the apex predators by sitting on our ass in a hammock for God's sakes We are a striving conflict based challenging Species you take away our challenges. We don't get peace We get artificial war now. It's not Childbirth and maybe I married the wrong guy and now my kid has polio now. It's man spreading and mansplaining and Like it's it's completely ridiculous. I don't know if if I don't know if we can actually survive plenty as a species I don't know if we can survive success as a species Okay, one or two more and it'll be I'm sorry It was gonna do a bit more of a Q&A, but we'll do the whole thing this afternoon at 1 30 I've got like two hours. We'll just do a back and forth, but here's the other thing that women need to hear There is no government law That can make you as economically productive as a man Sorry, like I mean you can shoot the message all you want is a fact and I look I've been a manager I've interviewed probably a thousand people. I've hired probably a hundred hundred and fifty men. I've done the whole gamut. I know where I speak Can't do it. Why? What's the challenge? Sorry, well, so yeah some lack of testosterone, right? When did you stop listening? Okay, that's fine. So why why are women economically less productive than men? They choose different fields. Well, I mean some of those skills you can learn right? So there's some stuff, but yeah, there's a certain amount of aggression and we've been kind of trained to fight and now Co-operative it's called that you cooperate and you fight right together as the capitalist model, right? So men are sort of trained to be aggressive in a fight because in the past like if you if you killed, you know one I Don't know. I'm not a hunter at least haven't you kill one deer, right? You take it home to your family The other guy doesn't get the deer It's like it's not like a capitalist thing where you get mounting productivity on both sides You go kill that deer you bring it home. The other guy's family is hungry. So we're like We'll fight We fight women happen evolve that way women have evolved to basically be protective in numbers around the death magnets called toddlers We have had a baby like stairs That's why I had to sign they knew I was a guy up here. That's why I had to sign something I had to plunge off the stage like Steve Tyler side, but but So women have evolved to be more nurturing and women are statistically they score much higher in neuroticism Which sounds bad, but it's not because you have to worry about toddlers. You've got a whole bunch of toddlers They're all going in different directions It's dangerous even in you know, there's no predators and so on, right? So yeah, there's that they choose fields that are less and come on they have babies They have babies You know 40% of the women who took MBAs don't even work in business I mean, I do this call-in show. I've done it for a long time and women call in yeah I started to be a doctor and then you know After I had my baby I Just wanted to stay home And I'm torn because I'm glad she's staying home breastfeeding kind, you know eye contact skin contact great for babies But at the same time no concept. I've had lots of women call in with this Topic and not one woman has said this But I'll tell you this I feel really really bad that society spent a million and a half dollars to train me as a doctor And I'm not even practicing Not one well, I feel better at home you see and That's the end of the story and it's like I just see a Guy coughing up his lungs on a sidewalk because he can't get to a doctor because we're missing a doctor Do you know how many female engineers? I wanted to study engineering, but now I'm in sales now I do pharmaceutical like it's real estate, you know because Engineering doesn't care about your lipstick, but if you look good on a park bench, you can sell a house, right? So society as a whole is pouring a lot of money into training women who generally often don't Do what they're? What society is trying to know if the woman was paying her own freight It's like okay, it was your money or whatever right, but as a taxpayer You know we men you know men are way net contributors to the tax system and women away with drawers From the tax system in the modern democracy is just a gino gino centric vote buying mechanism for women the other thing that I wanted to say the women need to hear is Empirically you all not that attached to your kids Empirically you're not that attached to your kids Evolutionarily speaking we can understand that So a woman who was not at all attached to her kids wouldn't take care of them the kids would die genetic dead end right a woman Who's overly attached to her kids? Who will fight to the death to protect them should some other tribe come over the hill and kill off the men? What happens to her? Yeah, she's killed Right if she can't be taken as a war prize unless I'm not it's terrible But women choose to do that rather than the men's fate, which is just to be killed So you all know like pride of lions a woman has a female lion has cubs I don't know why I'm doing this like this is how it works, but a female lion She has cubs right and if her Male lion like male the husband lion or whatever gets killed or or is killed by another lion What is the new lion do it's the first thing he does it kills the cubs right absolutely And so women who are like you can't touch those cubs. I will fight to the death to protect them those genes didn't last So women have to be both attached to their kids and willing to cut that attachment on a dime If it serves her genetic survival And again, these are just harsh conditions of evolution right and that's why women tear up over hallmark piano Images of babies and mothers and cuddling and so on But then after Roe v. Wade. It's just like a firing squad for fetuses Right is it 50 million? 50 million so you see now the West is underpopulated so we need to bring every one in from the Middle East and Africa Too bad only we had 50 million people here, but you see women Look at the baby of course the fetus as an inconvenience in their dating situation Right, and I'm not saying it's not emotionally difficult and all of that But I'm talking about sort of the end choice and what we empirically know if women cared more about their children Then some politician would come up and say sorry ladies. We're in debt. We cannot afford all these social programs We have to cut back. Otherwise your children are going to be literal economic slaves mostly the Chinese banksters You think that women would say oh man, you know, I took care of that kid. I got him his shots. God help us and Wiped his butt and made him baby proof the house so I want that kid to have economic opportunities when he grows up So yes, we've got to do the responsible thing Because I love my children So this debt is catastrophic the unfunded liabilities in America 180 trillion dollars So if women really care and men have a deficiency in this too But we you know they don't have as much sentimentality about the mother like the father child bond as a mother child bond But if women really cared about their kids, they'd be marching in the streets saying hey man these schools are terrible This debt is absolutely unacceptable We cannot vote To enslave our children for the sake of avoiding the occasional tough decision in the here and now that's wrong No, see women can't do that because now there's so many single mothers that if you cut back the welfare state They don't come with free money for their boyfriends So to help with the kids It's mommy's needs that matter and there's evolutionary reasons for that But we got a strip away the sentimentality and say listen men want taxes to go down women want taxes to go up because women take taxes and men pay taxes on average and The reason why we can't have a reasonable government the reason we can't have freedom It's because mama needs the money and doesn't care how it affects the kids the last thing I'll say Since I enjoy speaking my mind, and I hope that you enjoy it as well Free speech man free speech is The whole reason why we have a civilization The whole reason every progress that we've had, you know property rights to end a slavery Universal suffrage whether it's progress or not remains to be seen But all of these are intensely horrible at the time. Everybody thinks it's the craziest and worst idea Everything every moral progress is hate speech to begin with why why do we have hate speech? Threatening well, I mean, it's in Europe. It's in Canada. It's it's threatening in the US Why do we have hate speech and why did we have free speech until? Female suffrage. It's an interesting question. I have a theory. It may not shock you to know And the theory goes a little something like this Women not super great at debating women Not super great at admitting they're wrong Now if you want to get engaged in societal debates, and you're not very good at debating, but you can't admit that you're wrong What do you want? To silence the opposition to not have certain questions raised If you can't answer The argument and you can't stand the argument censorship is what you want and When I was growing up and I debated and fought ferociously on all these moral topics with my friends even from sort of mid-teens on But some of them went on to become professors and lawyers and so on, right? We never thought of bursting into tears We never thought of being offended like that would be embarrassing You know, I can't answer your argument on couple punishable We'd never thought that's a really good argument about the benefits of colonialism, but I bet you have a tiny dick Can you imagine I? Didn't even cry at 13 when my Dungeons and Dragons character got killed So I think that you know occasionally I get called a misogynist Which is not an argument. Of course, right? It's a really really great argument about the welfare state But clearly you hate women No, see the thing is I actually love and respect women the real misogynists are the ones who withhold the truth from women the ones who pander to women out of fear the ones who doom women to a life of lovelessness and loneliness, you know 25% of women in the West are on antidepressants after 40 About same proportion of childless female alcoholism is on the rise Do you know it's an amazing statistic and I think it's even bigger than what is claimed a third of women Would prefer being diagnosed with cancer to being lonely a Third of women would rather and I had a cancer diagnosis. I would have chosen loneliness myself, but that's just me, right? Because you know, you can be lonely, but there's nothing lozier and lonelier than being in a hole in the ground, right? Hey worms yay, but We but by withholding the truth from women, we're not treating them with respect. We're not treating them as equals We are dooming them through our silence and through sometimes our cowardice and I say this for myself as well There are some topics I find tough to bring up We are dooming them to a life of loneliness We are doing them to a life of depression of anxiety since feminism Female unhappiness has gone up and up and up and up So, you know when I say oh, you know, but women don't care enough about their children to blood all right Do we care enough about our women? To say damn the torpedoes Let them call them tiny torpedoes I'm going in and I'm gonna tell the truth Because the alternative pretty much the end of everything we got no kids got no happiness got no families Women go to work and therefore foreign strangers range the children. There's no transmission of Western culture That's it. It's done Do women love their children enough? To vote for smaller government. I think it's possible Do we love women enough? To save everything by telling them the truth. I'll leave that in your hands. Thank you for your time Thank you The red man group this is the second episode of the final convention of the decade In this episode, we're gonna be wrapping up. What it is that we we've gone through since 2010 to 2019 Where we're going in the future. I mean, this is the 85th episode of the red man group The final one you're gonna see during the convention on live I'm looking forward to going through this. We've got a monster panel lined up for you and Towards the end, maybe we could slip in a Q&A to my right all the way. We've got Alexander Juan Antonio Cortez Jack Donovan Tanner Guzzi Stefan Mollin you Ivan Throne George Bruno Pat Steadman Phil Foster and Ed Latimore Now there's too many men here for me to go through all their websites and what is their offering? So Google the name you'll find plenty I want to dive right into this one because we've got a lot of ideas up here a lot of different perspectives And what we're covering is important because it's not about what we're doing today It's about where we're going, but you don't really know where you're going until you know where you're coming from So before we kick this one off. I was asking the panel, you know Who's been in this space, you know really deep in it from the beginning and we came to the conclusion that it was Jack Donovan So Jack from 2010 to 2019. What would you say is the biggest evolution you've seen in the in the Mansphere this men's movement that we have going on of ours Well, obviously more infrastructure. I mean there's more people talking about that Tenor and I were just talking we started seeing the first websites And it was just kind of angry guys who were you had just gone through their first divorce and they were like, hey Something's wrong in the world. Something's not the way the the mainstream narrative about masculinity and so forth isn't What is real and it's not what's working and it's not what's working in the dating world and all that so forth And but what's really changed is I think Hey with you know the infrastructure and obviously a huge conference That you can come to and people traveling from all around the world going to Poland all that but Also the shift towards positivity You know not just like oh, what are the problems in the world? Let's focus on the problems in the world Let's focus on the problems in the world's let's Do something about it and start something positive And so I think that's that's a really good evolution because as long as you're focused on the problem You're focused on the anti and there's no pro There's no light to move towards and so that's a really positive evolution of this I like that something that you said one time was you know You can't just be reactionary because all you're doing is echoing the response to them And I know point you creating anything original and actually Tanner if we were talking about that how there was a common theme here Where every speaker came up when they were talking about the need for action, you know Let's not talk about the theory behind everything, but what can you do with that information? So do you want to talk a little to that? Yeah, I think that's obviously that ties into what we've been doing here But I would say that even ties into what my experience has been I first remember stumbling on to this corner of the internet back in 2009 so I've been involved with it for a little while too and to echo what Jack said there was a lot of yeah There's a lot of resentment. There's a lot of negativity. There's a lot of confusion and in the last 10 years We have seen more men taking action. You see men not just focusing on here's why life sucks why I've been lied to But it's okay. What do I build? How do I make myself better? How do I make myself better? financially and physically and with my relationships and with my own understanding of who I am and my mindset and everything else and so it is there's now the momentum of building and Doing as opposed to just resenting or theorizing and so it's really cool to see that that momentum is now working for us instead of against us That's awesome. I'm gonna toss it your way Phil so this is This is the final convention of the decade and you've attended the previous 21 con and as you see these movements going and you see You know being able to see the next phase the next year of men coming together What do you see this year that you liked about the convention the speeches that were had, you know the content that was delivered Well the content that was delivered was definitely a lot more positive. I would say this time around definitely centered more on Straightening men on a path of success, you know not Being so much of the the pickup situation as it is to how can I figure out a way to? progress in life and win so What I like about that is it's every facet, you know the single men in here the married men in here the father's the divorce There's something for everyone. It's the total package It's not like this cookie-cut caricature. We're all trying to live to and that brings you to Pat your first time at 21 con So what was the experience like man? It's very positive Very very positive experience and I think that you know one of the one of the things that I see in the big shift from some of the you know prior content I had seen just in the last year was that we're really moving towards a theme of the sexes win and lose together and You can't have this idea of men and women being oppositional to each other. It's not good for either sex It's not good for society and that men need to build themselves up They need to learn how to become men so that they can have relationships with women And build the future rather than just try to take from the other sex. It's not transactional We're moving towards a higher level of thinking It's almost like working together. We can win together. That's right. You can't I mean the society can't exist with men and women Against each other and that's a big big shift game rid of that those those negative messages That was kind of in the trench warfare. I think that we're we're transcending past that building a positive vision for the future It's interesting that we've not had this discussion prior to but the Sentiment of just hope and the place to go and seeing the light is being echoed by all so that's that's pretty cool That wasn't planned Stefan another first timer How did you enjoy this so it was good the question around sort of the last 10 years 2010 to 2019 I was thinking about that in the first image that came to my mind was an enormous pile of cocaine No, really and and the reason for that. I've never done cocaine, but I'm sure some people you yeah So, you know with from what I've seen in movies like you got a big pile of cocaine And you have like a motel key or a credit card and you what you do you Take it down. You divide the cocaine for something comprehensible reason, right? So you split the cocaine goes into different things, right? I'll get there. Just just be patient I would already be there if I was on cocaine So cocaine right so you divide right now when you stand for something what happens you divide the world You're not Moses in the Red Sea when you stand for something. What do you gain? You gain great enemies and you gain? Great friends. That's the price for standing for something. It's an old quote from Churchill talking about a younger talking to a young MP in the House of Parliament in The lead up to the Second World War and he said you have enemies good Good, that means you have stood up for something Sometime somewhere That's what happens when you stand up for something you get great friends and you get great enemies at the reason I'm talking about this at a men's rights conference. I think it's a specifically male attribute to be more comfortable with being hated in the pursuit of virtue and That's what I see here. I mean, we've all probably been lied about or slanted You know, you can go take a look at my Wikipedia page and it would be something like they write that about Satan and be like No, that's too much man. That's Come on, that's too too much right socialist took it over or slanted like crazy and then lock the whole page It's all garbage right but that's a badge of honor because it means that I've stood for something and I've I've annoyed and angered and Enraged exactly the right people, you know and so That I think is one of the things I get out of these kinds of conferences is standing with other men and women who've stood up for something and who have divided the world into friends and enemies Into allies and enemies and you know if we're not willing to make enemies We can't really achieve any good. It's like being a doctor and saying well I really want to cure people, but I never want to annoy any illnesses Not gonna work right so I think what comes out of this kind of solidarity is you know It's okay to be hated In fact, it's a good thing to be hated by the right people and you can guide yourself that way So when you stand for things as we all know You will gain your enemies and you will gain your friends and then you gain something called virtue an Identity and a strong effect on the world which is all worth it Well said and I think that ties in very well taking action because when you take action you'll you'll find conflict People will stand up against you and then you'll see well. Are you willing to take the next action? Are you willing to continue down that path whether it's success and people start saying why are you eating healthier? Why are you working out? What are you obsessed with? No, I'll keep going forward now to tie that into cocaine I'm gonna think that somehow I'm the party guy The only guy who needs a straw for his water You know What he was saying with what Stephen was just saying about having the enemies I remember last June when Alexander and I spoke with Mike Cernovic up in New York, New York State and I talked about it on social media and then one of the more liberal friends of mine was like Oh my god I can't believe we speak with Mike. We can't be friends anymore and then I wrote a post about this and I said short of it coming out That like somebody was dittling kids or something I'm gonna do what I said. I'm gonna do and your pressure is not gonna have an effect on me because what type of message would I be sending to the world if I cave because Somebody decided they didn't like I was sharing a stage with to which I had another person right back to the Mungo You know, it's all good and all well, but I think I'm out too and I'm like, I don't even like I mean I know who the person is but I'm like, we don't even talk I mean He's gonna let me know right but I think that is the biggest change Over the past decade is that we are big enough and we are influential enough and we are Making enough of an impact plus the internet has gotten huge for social media that we have real enemies people who are attacking us Wikipedia on social media shutting down platforms We you know when you when you have that kind of power, you know You can gauge somebody's effect by the quality and the caliber their enemies and you were making good enemies Certainly powerful enemies and that is that comes with a risk, but it's not it's not a real risk I think I think they're all ghost. I think it's think the paper Tigers in a sense And this is where the real work is done. You know guys come together and get together in person So that's my experience over the past and you're about what's changed most is that we're really on some radars now And that's a that's cool though. Well, that's not like I mean I don't think anyone's gonna come up and put a few in us, but like you never know and If it gets it at it's crazy, but it probably won't it's just we've got good enemies Now and we're making an impact Excellent and George you're someone who has been a vocal proponent of this convention You know my first one you were there and it was just Since then it's one of those you've passed on guidance You know some mentorship and helped me along the way figure a few things out How have you seen this convention go from what it was when you first became a part to what it is to where you think it's going Yeah, I I Wrist by saying that I'm I am coming from a place of joy. I'm tired of fighting I want to put my weapons down and live my truth rather than just Blab it out and Just because you don't get immediate results From your beliefs or your actions doesn't mean that they're not correct. Sometimes you have to persevere doing the right thing And if you are mocked By certain people they might be the right people You know you like who said to be hated by the right people I I like that and I never embraced that before they belong to this organization I I don't want to say I feared the people that hated me Uh and it bothered me it used to keep me awake at night now. It's kind of a a badge of honor so to speak and uh I will continue coming from a place of joy Not from a place of war I want I want to loosen My fists some people are young enough to still have the fist Nobody wants to see a 60 year old man fighting with a 28 year old on twitter You know, it's it's just ridiculous. I mean a 60 year old man being called a pussy Okay, what like whatever like what could I how could I possibly? Respond to something like that. You're so purple pill like really you know Come on man Uh I have seen this organization take a stand for truth I have seen uh Because there has been a what I would call a purge And a house cleaning And sometimes the house cleans itself. I think I do believe that um We all agree on enough stuff to be unified I don't believe we are all in lockstep with every on every topic But we we have enough in common and that's all we need. There's no real deal breaker There's no real deal breaker here and I don't I feel the same About all of you guys here like you know, I know we don't see eye to eye on everything But I'm so cool with that because we reflect Or I should say our audience reflects us You know my gray hair I I thought I was going to be the geyser of the group and then I started seeing other geysers in the audience And it I'm like wow, what are they doing here? And then I had to look in the mirror and say wow, what am I doing here? Uh So I think it's going in the right direction We are diverse in age race sexuality Status in life, but we all have the same goal and I love it That's all it's you know, we call again the gang back together But every time there's new faces showing up, you know new new perspectives that are coming in and during my speech I actually brought up there's no right way to live life So you just own what your path is going to be and someone that that kind of helped me better understand This is actually a j because when I first got my first hate brigade because I copied his list and put it out And that was the first time I felt like you fool First thing you did But I was like real death threats and I'm like, whoa This is twitter like what and he was the one who's like, hey man Here's how you separate that and don't let it bring you down if anything You know use that to build yourself up because now you're sending a message out That's going against the the narrative which is against us So a j how have you been able to maintain that you've had multiple And it's like you smile more every time it happens So sick I don't consider myself a high level provocateur. I could run with the joker theme, but I'm not the joker But that said that in mind. I realized Many many years ago when I was in high school that there was A certain level of subconscious dissonance between the world as it appeared And the world as it really was and I couldn't tell you what was the right way to go about solving that I could see that things were wrong And I realized at some point time that comedy or this really satire You know to serve us hit things where it hurt the most where their insecurities were where Where was where what was behind the curtain was hiding if you could hit that you could sort of reveal truth that way And that's not always sophisticated. I wouldn't characterize myself as being very You know articulate in doing so a more like a blunt instrument I'll just strike something and hopefully there's pain there and we'll find out if it hurts me back a well But you know in doing that if you want to play that role of trying to be a beacon for something Let's say beacon for truth and you're trying to live your life as a man where you actually stand for something You're not captured by the modern world and sucking you dry You're gonna have people that don't like you now You're gonna make enemies you're gonna come into contrast and come to conflict with your friends your family your loved ones Your work that will happen And I think for a long time the mana spear when it kind of started out It was a lot of guys that were very much in the shadows They're sort of like living like the runes of the modern world and they can see that things are wrong with the dating market They can see that things are wrong with what they were taught They've been unsuccessful the women which by definition you're unsuccessful at life itself and like you know things are wrong But it's very disjointed. It's not cohesive at all and over the last 10 years We kind of evolve into some sense of cohesion work. Okay. There's like-minded men There's also people that think like me and this is affirming. It's good And like now you have brotherhood you have camaraderie But as you come together, you know by default your enemies start grouping up against you You know, so like how do you again? How do you handle that? You have to not care Yeah, there's a certain Very very ancient quality to masculinity, which is just not giving a fuck Things bad things are happening that you serve the infamous meme online, you know the house is on fire around you Oh, this is fine. Yeah, maybe it is fine because if you're still alive the next day and nothing killed you Nothing ate you what's the problem? What's really bothering you? Most things only last for a day a week. I've had mobs come after me for a week straight I hope you die. I hope your whole family gets raped and you y'all you die in a fire Then I kill you and you get to watch I've had every manner of things from me I'm like, this is gonna go away in a week. You're gonna go back to playing xbox. You don't forget about it And they all do everybody does because Hate feels good in the moment, but you know in reality we live in a world where nobody actually really wants real conflict You know this doing this is not real conflict If you really don't like me come fight me. No one's ever taken me up on that You know so you know for yourself like we're having a discussion Yeah, if you're gonna be a man, you're gonna say anything especially publicly Be prepared to have people not like you but that's also the affirmation that you've made the correct enemies So good. Good. Like that's all coming learn to thrive on that energy. Yeah, maybe I'm pathological I love negative attention This just drives me forward that I'm doing something right And you're all here. I get to talk to all the gentlemen here I get to interact with people every day where I know I've possibly affected them and it's done something for myself I'm gonna virtue a cycle that way, you know from the outside outside outside of your misogynist hater nazi I'm Jewish by the way, which is funny. You can you can say all these things The actual reality the concrete physical action. It's the exact opposite You are the most efficient therapist there ever was just don't give a fuck. Oh, okay, that's it No, you know, it's it's sort of funny like I got my first hip piece. I think in 2008 and It's funny because it's like you're in a war and there's all these bullets flying at you And you're like, oh, I'm doomed, right? And then you look down and there's nothing And that's how you find out that you're Superman Kind of being neo in the matrix. You just realized it's just thinking that it's all code Just, you know, like all these things stop. You're like, this isn't actually real. I've told control over this I think that plays too to the men here, you know, this this only works because actions taken from those who attend You know, and that's the worst part is when Anthony does great takes great sticking pains to ensure all anonymity is maintained That your everything about you is maintained unless you want it to become public He does not a lot. He blurs faces. He protects information this hotel venue everything He ensures that there's nothing that's going to happen to you and the problem is when people attack the 21 convention You're the best product But we're not going to share that at no point did he say to defend my brand I'm going to throw you on the fire in front of me When the whole world came crashing down against the 21 convention at no point to even consider Hey, look at all these testimonials. Hey, I can show you lives that have changed He didn't do that and that says something to yourself as well because many men stood up So not only was he looking out for you, but you guys looked out for him I saw many go to his aid and I think there's something to be said about that and that brings it to you We over the years How have you seen the caliber of men change that have been attending these conventions? So I've said a couple of different things on one hand the Growth that I see from the man who come they attend they take part they do the work they make the friendships. I got the knowledge it's it's a beautiful blossoming to see hope and joy and what the future brings Replace the cynicism and resentment that can be such an easy trap for people to fall into The most important part of that in my opinion is Talking about action right actor non-robot right it's an action. We're all talking about that The cynicism is the little sister of despair. It is a paralytic Cynicism prevents you from taking action. It's not worth it. Nothing real is good cynicism is Death now of a masculinity and manhood and To me it's so It's such an exponential leap forward The resentment cynicism despair those things are rejected By what the 21 convention stands for we are healthy strong powerful unapologetic That's how you build empire. That's how you build culture. That's how you sustain civilization speaking the truth taking action not wallowing hurt feelings or fear So every man here that I've seen that come in some of them I repeat attendees. They've been here before some of them are here for the first time and the idea of challenging the narrative is terrifying because it's such an Omnipresent thing and all of our media everywhere They're not giving in to cynicism and not paralyzed. They're doing something with it from that world is at your feet When you look at the men the repeat, you know for men who've been here before when you see those guys come in They're looking better. They've lost the weight. I mean, you can't help but feel like holy shit We're doing this, you know that like real for real bonds are being forged Real changes are being made and like I said again, you know, if you came here and you spent the time and the money To to attend this that's just to get you to the starting point. This isn't the finish line You know and when you look at guys coming together, I mean, there are a lot of groups popping up There are a lot of men that are forging friendships outside of this and they're meeting up in between the major conventions You know, I think that's one of the the greatest steps. We've made in the right direction Is you can only sit on twitter for so long and you can only talk and make youtube videos And spend six hours a day talking about what the true red pill is for so long at some point You've got to go outside At some point you've got to go meet a man and you're sitting near men, you know And those in the live audience those are they're going to be watching this, you know You got to get off the screen and go meet the man, you know There's nothing there's no greater accountability than having to show up and standard these men because they're judging Hey, are you better than you were last time? If so Fist bump if not We got to get to work. How can I help you? And I look forward to seeing more faces heading forward But that's going to lead to where we're heading with this so 2020 brings an election season It brings picking your brain to that one It brings the patriarchs retainer will be the chief patriarch It brings 22 con, you know, and it also brings a total closure to what are those we're doing here All the men you saw on this stage all the speeches given all the all the dinners all the meals We've got another one tonight You know hang on to that because if this chapter is closing we're moving on to the next I want to toss it your way I want to give you the the patriarchs. I'll let AJ go with the 22 con So okay, so 20 or so patriarch patriarchs I'm excited about this idea and obviously we tested this out this year and it went really well because moving away from the idea of despair or the battle of the sexes and The idea of resentments or these other things and if we really want to be able to Build a culture to be able to make it something that's appealing and inviting as opposed to just reactionary You have to have families This can't just be a thing for men. This is not a men's rights thing. This is not a reactionary movement It's not anything else like that It's an alternative culture To the ugliness that our current culture continues to wallow in and debase itself toward And so the idea of helping men become better fathers helping Helping boys before they ever even get to the point where they get broken Helping daughters recognize what good men are and how they can marry them and start families with them You build civilization by doing that kind of stuff And so i'm i'm genuinely excited that that's the direction in which we're moving that there's optimism I'm excited to see what we're going to be able to do as far as creating culture with Art and clothing and music and all these other things that we're going to be able to do Because it's no longer just in the trenches doing the battle I'm going to get what I need to get and then get out, but it's optimism. It's future. It's family It's fraternity. It's all these other things that actually make this enjoyable And something worth doing and I think an event like patriarchy is a really good jumping off point for us to do something like that I completely agree and actually before we moved on phil You're going to be joining us the next patriarchs, aren't you absolutely You got the the call today that he'll be taking the stage with the rest of us. So it's a good one father of a daughter And it's interesting and that kind of segues back to 22 con Is rich graham said in the last red man group He thought there'd be a market for couples to go to this we're both working on each other Now we're running 22 con the same time we're running patriarchs That means you're going to have an all male group on one side all women on the other side How do you see that playing out and do you think that'd be beneficial for couples to go and learn how do you see it going down? Yeah, I have no idea honestly as to how that will go down go down. I think there's definitely I don't want to say a market But there's this oftentimes this vast oversight by Not just the man of spirit large that meant large By the men at large that women don't care to learn about men And the realities that women are fascinated by men and the vast vast majority of women wish they understood men better And I've seen this play out in the So the romantic market the last decade and a half where Women can tell that there's a dearth of authentic masculine men But even when let's say they find them or even when they're trying to find one They don't know what they're looking for which is one and two. They actually don't know how to interact with the man They're they're bad And they know they are but they don't know what is sort of the right way to go about changing that It's very similar to the men that you know find the red pill. Okay. I've had Ineffective low tension this unsuccessful relationship with women. I've been taking advantage of I'd like to change that But then you have to rethink what you understand know about women, which is subsequently Rethinking what you know about yourself Really assessing your image of what a man is Women kind of have to go through the same process now that said Obviously most women they tend to be more resistant to let's say self-improvement change You know, they allow women self-improvement. It's it's your great your princess We could go on about that and it's easy to find about but for those women who really want to try to do that deeper work Where do they go to? You either have to find Yeah, I guess a woman who's gone through herself or you have to find a man who In essence sort of takes the place of a father slash big brother figure and they're going to show you the model of what a man is And I think 22 con can perhaps sort of fill that space. Hopefully Yeah, that's my aspiration for it. Somebody has to you know Also, we've got the 2020 election Stefan, how do you see that impacting? What are this? We're doing and where it is. We're going I know they covered it briefly on the last one, but I really want to dive into you know, that's Tensions are going to be high tensions are going to be high and for those of us who are online You got to build up your alternative platforms because it's going to be savage out there In social media, it is going to be I mean, I've already experienced that this year I just would lead up to the canadian election But it is going to be brutal suppression and censorship out there in social media So, you know build up your alternative platform says but shoot this gab this minds lots other places where you can go Get used to engaging with maybe a more alternative audience because you're going to need A lifeboat or five, you know this this coming year because they know they know what got trump in was Social media, right? I mean was was out mainstream media hated him. Academia hates him. Hollywood hates him You know in tv hates him So the only people who didn't hate him in general other than the people who voted for him were the people in the alternative media so the You know that the Marxist the leftist they didn't spend 50 years infiltrating the mainstream media and academia and hollywood In order to hand over that hard-won power to social media. So they're going to work very hard to suppress Those voices and so for those on social media get your alternative stuff for those not on social media Or for those who don't have kind of like a show or something well Most people are very uncertain most people are very malleable And most people will conform to the strongest will around them Right, so I think of people like salmon and you're like the current You ever see the salmon in the river the the the stronger the current the more in line The salmon are now it's good to be right. So be right when you're at the current But don't be afraid to flex your power and get people to conform to a stronger correct Will it'd be nice if everybody responded to reason and evidence And we could just sit there with our charts and our data and and graphs and all that and Have changed people's minds, but that's not the way that people work human beings Do not respond to reason and evidence in this postmodern universe as a whole I got a whole presentation called the death of reason about this on on youtube for now and So just given that the reality that people aren't going to change their minds based on reason and evidence You have to be very strong willed and you have to just stand the line People will fall in line and will do the right thing They won't know why they're doing the right thing and to them it might feel like conformity But it's kind of like this if you're a doctor and you're in some primitive village where people believe That the ghosts tell them how to get well and so on, right? And you've got a medicine that's going to cure some illness, but people think the medicine is poison What do you do you say? No, no, it's the ghosts who are telling you to take it And people are like, oh, okay. It's the ghosts who are telling me to take it. Okay. Well, I'll take it So they get cured so you have to kind of dip into the anti rationality of the world to get things done It's just the reality and those I mean I've made this mistake You'd be the purest on reason and evidence and you just spin your wheels in a mud So recognize where people are be very strong willed once you validated your own prospectus be very strong willed And people will mostly fall in line There'll be some who'll fight you for a while and they'll some people who will reject you But if you're in the right Don't give way an inch Don't give way on anything and you'll be absolutely surprised how many people will just fight you and shrug you and fall right in line Look to give a follow-up your way actually So a lot of the men here are not going to be in this group But what do you have to say to those who don't think a politics apply to them whatsoever? It doesn't matter There's a I think a majority out there. We're like, uh, whatever. Okay, so Geez, let us start Hillary Clinton had won we could well be in a significant war by now Right. She was the one who was saying well if we believe that Russia has infiltrated our systems. That's an act of war I think she she said Russia. She probably meant CIA, but uh No, Hillary Clinton Open borders mass amnesty Massive provocations to warm. I mean look what happened in Syria look what happened in libya under barack and hillary Libya was destroyed as a functional state Now there are open-air slave markets massive tribal warlord gangs and it has opened up north africa to pour millions of Economic refugees so to speak into europe Who you vote for has a massive effect on your life. I mean think of the millions of people who have jobs Millions of men who have jobs because of donald trump. You remember barack obama with the uh Well, there's no magic wand to bring Manufacturing jobs back. We don't know how to do it. It's like well. No, you don't know how to do it That doesn't mean it can't be done, right? So think of all the manufacturing jobs largely going to men men who have a purpose now men Who are not going to be tempted by addiction men who can start to found and raise families because Trump got elected and hillary clinton did not get elected. Trump understands business He understands how the economy works. This is why millions of people have jobs And this is why the democrats hate it because when you're you know, as I said before if you're if you're paying taxes You want taxes to go down if you're on the receiving end you're fine with it, right? So It really does matter, you know, there are tens of thousands of men alive literally alive because trump got elected and they got jobs because A man without a job is like a woman without love, you know, you're just dying in the shadows inside You need a purpose you need, you know, we are human doings right and human beings is I don't know for toddlers So it really does matter and you got to stand for what is going to grow the economy because if the economy crashes, man The fights that we might have around our living room and the disc The displays of disgust we might have to endure around dessert when people are like, oh you're pro this or you're pro that man if if we lose Money if we lose the economy if we lose the power grid as you can see like the brownie out of california going right now I mean half of it slipping into third world status We're gonna look back When we have to pick up a rock because our neighbor is hungry We're gonna look back and say man, I should have been a bit more forceful at that family dinner Yes, you don't want that regret. That's really all I gotta say That's well said and your point on banning, you know as someone who has been banned Ivan You know, where where what are you building to make yourself? I guess ban proof from twitter or whatever social media you're on well, you know, I'm on uh alternate Someone was upset with my response to Peter finder saying that down trump should be locked in a cage with a pedophile You know social media is in many ways a hell platform, but it's also essential to the work we do in reaching people So i'm building real life relationships and moving more to telegram groups We're in more Jats with men on those channels because number one, it's more private too. There's a lot more focus than a lot less garbage in it and relegating twitter to more of a General outreach program a platform as opposed to a training and engagement platform. They've been working for me A bottom line though, we need to win the water culture Because if it's not twitter or something else, it's not your employer It's your social circle if it's not social media It's a local Bowling and I don't want you there anymore because of x y o z a politics That's just going to get more intense, especially as we move in towards the election So if you thought 2016 was bad when nobody believed trump would wear now they can see him coming and they still can't stop it They're going to be even more angry Now that being said There's no better time to be alive massive opportunity I'm having more fun in politics The last few years than I've ever had in my life and I love politics And really, you know the thing that struck me Famous general the guy who unified japan. I won't tell you the whole story, but they had a fun expression for him I saw there were his army marks The spring wind below because it was just such spare just Unbridled just sheer joy of being a human being doing what human beings do being at the apex of what his culture allowed him to do And it infected the entire nation We're seeing something very similar now. That's a coat tail. That's an example. That's an inspiration. I think we can all use Keep going keep pushing Don't take any prisoners because they won't Speaking of joy ed You seem to be the guy who can always find a good time, you know, you've got the smile And you're you're like the most conflictive person to people because they can't put you into a box As soon as they say like, oh, you're in our side. He's like, no, I'm talking about that Or then you're mixing it all around on them. How have you found these binary extremes? You know, are you seeing more of that? Are you seeing less of it? Are you breaking? Are you forging new ground? Am I forging new ground so so pretty much my whole strategy What dealing with a lot of this is Is what people, you know, I I really want people to continue to look one way and why they're looking one way and arguing and fighting about one thing I'm on the other side Building up a big following on twitter now. I g where I can directly send people my mailing list all of that And and I'm not quite sure what I would do with it. But here's what I do know We're here In this event and in person and I'm a I'm a bit more pessimistic I I think that this country as we know it That that ship sailed maybe about 20 years ago. We'll go 10 and Now all that's left is the individual at some point if you can get and build up a community You know of like mind the first work on yourself and then through extension of people around you and then hopefully Down the line the next order of influences they influence their own little group That's that's pretty much at least I think here I mean I really think the the combination of capitalism And the ease of because I think capitalism is great. I don't want you guys to think I'm I'm bashing capitalism or anything like that What I'm saying is when you align a financial incentive behind a lot of things Then that's what's going to go. That's what's going to happen And you and you remove responsibility as well for actions or rather you remove the ability to be, you know Punished if you make the wrong mistake and that's what we've done We've combined those two things and I just I think culture is done. So what I'm trying to do Is continue to do outreach continue to meet other people I mean on my own dumb no one sent me. I mean, I think I went to To seven or eight different cities This year alone just to meet up to have dinner with guys to see guys dc. Dallas, Napa Valley, Atlanta Here in Orlando And I think that's what future is going to be in person events and just finding like Monday guys to get around And build up as far as you know, none of those guys trying to attack me man. You know, I'm I'm I'm pretty smart I've been banned one I got to spend it one time and I said, you know what? What's the game plan here? What am I trying to do? What am I trying to achieve and now I know how to really play that game And and sit around and and they can't even attack me I laugh at the guys that have a great emotional control with dealing with them I won't let them ban me because I got a bigger Kind of purpose if they come after me you guys are after man y'all y'all going down Because I'm a very hard guy and you know, I get like like Plus five defense from you know on the race card always in my belt that helps so they They get me You guys got are in trouble, but I don't think they're gonna they're gonna get me at least not You know without some trump though charges condo, but that's just where I'm out there But I know they'll try to find a good time because it's a happy person It's easier to convert and grab more people if I can get you on my list You're just reading my writings. We talk we me saying yeah now I've got influence over I got far more influenced than trying to hit you with the the ideas directly I can Slowly wrap myself around you and and get get a lot of control that way But y'all should still sign for my mailing list. I'm not doing nothing in this city It's don't don't think I'm mind controlled. It's just come on in When you explain your strategy, I'm just like I just stop talking. I don't know what you're saying Oh, you have a system inside a system with a subsystem No, no, well, basically the whole goal is get as close to people's possible I mean I really feel like like he was saying twitter is a lot of garbage a lot of Noise if I can get you past that noise and we can start dialogues We can get a guy can get you in my my mailing list where I can go back and forth and just talk with you If I can see people in person and continue to get those people to in person events I think that's the only way you're going to make change change your mask. That ain't happen It the mob mentality even if you do have the best idea They're just going to be too many stoop and there's always going to be more stupid people by definition And they and groups are in they're undefeated stupidity in a group is undefeated So what you need to do is you need to get as many people as you can in some And just just away from it to get them a talk. I mean so many people If you can just talk to them No, no, they're not all going to be receptive But if you can just get a conversation going you can do a lot with a conversation and and that's kind of my goal I know pretty much I've accepted that I can't do anything in mass But if I can get somebody on the edge who are who maybe who has the wrong idea about what we do And who we are Then that's a mom we can change, you know, I don't know who was at the patriarch's edition I think it was I think it was tax maybe but he was saying that you know He was someone was arguing what i'm on twitter and then he you know Went and got in the DMs and was talking to him about it ended up selling a god ticket to come here After he was criticizing the con that's the kind of work. I'm very much into we can do that We we we got a we got a chance to salvage a few gods, but but this whole thing. Oh this house is done Listen to me You know, I think what 95 000 on twitter Something like that. All right, so let's just say 95. Yeah, there are some guys out there who are like I'm just the average dude, you know, I they can't relate to a lot of content creators Like I get it, you know, you're building the growing a lot of guys here They're they just work and they want to do events like this. They want to meet men and around you a fill That's what you do Yeah, you're up here on this panel because of the the message that you shared But you just work and I don't even I don't think you have a blog or anything. I think you just have a twitter Yeah, I just have the twitter and um, no, I don't I don't write books or anything like that and um I just uh, I enjoyed the company of these gentlemen right here I've I've actually you know seen every one of these guys speak over the last two years and It's my second time coming to the 21 con And I'm kind of like with Ed, you know, he actually came out to fort worth to one of our dinners this year You know what he was there on his own dime. It was a great. It was a great great evening And I'm under that same preference of uh, you know face-to-face. It's kind of like a gentleman in my area Like for instance my daughter's she's got a little boyfriend and her dad was like, well, where are you going? And I said, well, I'm going to Orlando and it was kind of like, okay, so I know this guy he's he's He leans right. He's conservative. He's raising his family right and I said He goes, so what are you doing down there? Is it for work? And I said, absolutely not. I said, it's uh It's a community of men that I've I found through the internet And he goes, so what do you guys talk about and I said, uh Well, basically it's it's a discussion on how men can improve their lives whether it's through business relationships society And masculinity and he goes no shit They actually have something like that and I was like absolutely So, uh, I shot him the information for the 21 con and uh He's actually interested in coming next year. It was pretty it was a pretty interesting discussion like that And I just think that uh the more that we As human beings walk away from You know, I don't I don't use twitter so much to promote things because you know, I don't live off of that but That human connection And speaking to folks and letting them know hey, there are resources really out there and uh, there really is A space even though you may feel alone To go to And these are the guys so like one of the things I've done over the past two days here at the convention Is folks that I've been talking to I've been collecting their uh contact information You know and I tell them if you need to talk about anything, let me know I'll do the same with you And I just think that the more we focus on that human interaction And build that network up Based on whatever is going to happen in 2020 as long as we are unified and not divided You know, there's so many men in the mana sphere that are just like caught in the friggin ether right now They're lost and um We need to figure out a way to get these gentlemen To find their way out of that ether and find themselves more towards a message of Positive masculinity so to speak and The position of being successful and not the what ifs and oh well, this is gonna happen if I try that You know, we need to figure out a way to To Pull them out of that ether And I think the takeaway for all here Is make that network because if you get banned off twitter if you see your content creator get you know knocked out They're not taking your cell phone You can reach out on that level it doesn't have to be through the social networks of somebody else's platform make your own Create your own little tribe, you know get your own together. Uh, phil you guys quarterly dinner, correct? Absolutely, it was it was actually Ivan's feast of war that he did in Dallas Last year christmas time was a really good time and we all Shared our contact information and we get together quarterly and we're actually meeting next saturday For dinner and cigars again So and it's and it's it's just carried on ever since that feast of war and it We're grateful for Ivan for even getting that event together because it's a great group of gentlemen Well, you never outgrow the need for the face-to-face stuff. I think a lot of times guys get the idea that You know if I get to a certain level if I have enough social media followers Or if my business is doing well enough or something else then then I then I don't need that because I can exist online And it's comfortable to exist online and one of the things I think a lot of guys don't recognize is even for us as speakers For me the biggest benefit of coming to a conference like this is getting to hang out with my friends And it's a recharge for me that face-to-face stuff for us Is the biggest advantage to coming and doing this And so even for us to try and build our own in-person tribes our own people that we can rely on our own people that Are you know our spouses or our children can rely on because the internet's not going to save us An online community is just a fledgling community. It has to be person to person It has to be face-to-face and so you will never outgrow that I was actually surprised when craig and I started the fraternity of excellence I thought that chat would be the hoe and that's where like all the ideas would be mixed And then something happened all the guys started meeting up in their own little sections because there's more men joined like Oh, I live down the road from you. Oh, you know, I'm two hours away from you And now they're all having dinners weekly, you know, these men are meeting up now It's weird to say but those are your friends, you know, and you're no longer confined by proximity And it's it's funny to see how those dots start connecting because now businesses are being started You know now now whole new groups are being formed and they're running races and doing things And it runs you about george who was connected me with many men and george you're kind of like the Hey, I know this guy and this guy. You should you should talk. That's how I made a jim burden me, you know, so How of you, you know, and this goes back to phil, you know, you're doing this in person So while you're doing this you're talking to these guys How are you finding a way to inspire others and are you seeing that hunger where they're coming to you? Like I I'm feeling alone. I'm the only one thinking this and you're like I've got a whole group of men you should meet Yeah, I Malcolm Gladwell talked about a type of person And he labeled them a connector And my I am famous for the question. Who do you need to meet? When I go to networking meetings in philadelphia in that area When I greet people I always ask them. Who do you need to meet? And if I know if I can make a personal one-to-one introduction I'd literally physically bring them over And meet them I do that a lot on on linkedin as well So I will say to the audience follow me on linkedin connect with me Take a look at my contacts if there's anyone there that I can make a personal introduction to I'd be happy to do that So check me out on linkedin and the same thing with all the the panel members here But what a high calling it is to connect people And I I do that humbly And I may not have all the answers, but I know a lot of guys I have all the answers through my network, and I'm not afraid to delegate I'm not afraid to say I don't know, but I know someone who does And it's A few of us have pen names a few guys put yourselves right out there And there's there's a risk to that because by by doing that and putting yourself there You're exposing yourself to the attack, you know phil's rocking the hat We've got tactical soap right here There are companies and there are men and there are people who want to support what of this we're doing But if you never put yourself out there, they can't if you never hate hey man shake my hand This is what I've got going on. They're like, oh wow You never would have known because you never asked and it's on you by attending this You put the burden on yourself because now you're armed with the information and you choose to use it or not A lot of people don't have the information There are millions of millions of people out there Yeah, I thought I was cool when I hit 10,000 followers on twitter I was like, I'm gonna get recognized somewhere. It's gonna be awesome Nope Nobody knows I exist and there's there's something Motivating about that is we've not even scratched the surface But you're another wave of men going through this convention the 18th convention the final convention of 2019 And now you put a little bit more responsibility in yourselves To be that that light to be that little lighthouse to help others from crashing on the shore And not doing so by by aiming of becoming this caricature But by becoming your own men and pat i'm really glad you're here Because you don't give a shit you will say what you feel and what you believe is right And whether that's the recent one you're like, this is gonna piss a lot of guys off And you shared you know how to process emotions and how to deal with things and I was like damn Like it took balls to just say the truth and how you felt knowing the shitstorm that was going to go your way Well, I can't live any other way and you know, one of the things I think that You know people are going to look at this and we're talking about some controversial ideas here But the truth is that this is a deradicalization effort and I see that all the time I mean, I think that that's a major thing going into the next decade because People are psychologically broken out there. Like I work with guys. They're really good guys They don't have father figures. They don't have families In a lot of cases and they've been twisted in multiple different directions taught. They hate themselves And I think it's true on on both sides of the spectrum And I think a lot of the stuff that we're seeing like all the division Has so much to do with the fact that people have these internal issues and they're repressed and they're projecting against other people And what we're doing here is we're we're helping guys to have a way forward We're helping guys that get good with themselves and when they get good with themselves They can start to approach the world from a position of love and respect for other people Abundance rather than scarcity. I mean Not everybody on this stage agrees with each other about everything right But because we all have good internal sense of selves Like none of us take it personally we can we can as men we can talk About different things here. We can respect each other. We can respect free speech And people who guys who don't have that guys who don't like themselves eventually are like going to be like the joker Right and they're going to eat and they're just going to flip out and they're going to start doing terrible things And I think that that's one of the big shifts that has been made here And that we have a real positive vision for the future and you know Things are going to happen the way they're going to happen. You know, I don't know. I don't know what the future holds Maybe 2020 is the last American election But we're going to save as many guys as we can and we're going to save women too Because when you make guys better when you make guys healthier You also give women Guys that they can they they can bond with and that they can be with because one of the major issues for women I mean living in new york city You know, there's a lot of really good women in new york city. I know it's like against some of the narratives, right, but It's very hard for them to find guys who who have their head straight and have their shit together And we're we're presenting a positive vision of the future for men and women in society. Whatever happens If everything falls apart We're going to be a stable rock in that storm and even people who hadn't seen our stuff before If and when shit hits the fan There's going to be a place that they know that we we were ahead of the curve We had some sort of defenses prepared We had a place that people can go to and that's that's what I really feel about about this organization and in the future of this movement Yeah, I truly feel that is the future, you know, and that's kind of our final topic We'll be hitting on is you know, what does that look like? Are we going to see something like gab actually become productive? Are we're going to see, you know, these platforms that are supposed to be representing free speech actually taken off You know and we started in the beginning over here. So I'll just have us go down this line You know when it comes to social media when it comes to where you see You know the best use of people or what you think men are going to start doing You know, we've got the 21 convention. That's cool. What else are we going to be seeing coming down the line We're going to see more guys getting into smaller groups. I mean, I know it's back to what I was saying I was going to say it sounded repeat. I feel the same exact way I'm 100% about that the whole take the online network offline So you meet these guys in person and then from there, you know, you know, I really vibe with that guy But I want to vibe and kick it with this dude. He's got more of a family But when you know, when there's a cool guy, we all get together But but in general, you know, I think the most is going to be weird You know, we got this this technology to allow us to reach out to everyone And then doing so we can find the right people and that's how we Probably start using it to find the like minds of the guys that are going to resonate what we're trying to do And what we think and that's cool. I mean, it works the other way If you hate everything we stand for somehow and you stumbled in this convention or you stumbled on this channel Man, go go build your tribe of whoever and and work with those people in person But no matter what I think I think people I can't remove said it But but someone was talking about how it seems way worse online than it is in real life And you know, how true is that depends on where you live? But The idea is that you see all this hate and this vitriol spit out on the internet Well, a lot of that gets diffused when you get in person When you have a real solid real life, you're just not that angry online And I think that's what we're gonna we're gonna see regardless certainly Intentionally on on our side if you want to like break it down on our side And hopefully everyone else kind of follow suit and realize this life is a lot better when you have a solid group of people with you in your real life Well, I just wanted to mention as well that The job of of thinkers is hate me now love me later Right. I mean when I say to women, you know, like one of my biggest tweets over the last couple of months Was me saying to women you live to 80 But your eggs die at 40. You got 40 years to film, man Now for some women, they're really upset, right? But other women are like, you know, I end up with Pictures of babies in my inbox, you know, people say man, you annoyed me like hell at the time But you know, you got me so it's like, you know, somebody who comes and says, hey, man You're you're fat now to shape You don't like that person in the moment because you got your illusion and you can, you know Muscle yourself up in the mirror and stuff and you put some I don't know Schwarzenegger filter on yourself or whatever but The guy who comes up and says you're you know, you're fat now to shape. You don't like that person at the moment But you know when you eat better and exercise you're happy later So you just got to be willing to be disliked in the moment doesn't mean the dislike goes on forever You know, Jesus himself was hated in his day, you know, gotta turn that around after a while So Just know that that people who are screaming at you now They don't often circle back. Maybe it's sometimes they do circle back, you know Because there's pride and all that but you shake people up. They get really mad at you And then they go away and they think about it and they may not come back and thank you, but I'm telling you it's there I think what people need to keep in mind too is Is the person that's making you angry making you angry every single day without offering a solution Or having your best interest in mind or are they making you angry just to make you angry and that's it Yeah, if you act out of love and this is a really abstract thing like how do you not get banned? Well, you you you have to just check yourself and say am I acting out of love for humanity? I'm acting out of love of the truth. I'm acting out of love of virtue because if you act out of hatred I mean, it's not adding a lot of positive stuff to the world negative stuff But also you're going to make those strategic missteps that give people an excuse to ban you And if you just check yourself and say why am I posting this is it because I want to piss people off It's like this is probably not a very good thing to be doing, right? I mean, it's not great Maybe occasionally, but you know, are you acting out of love like so? I talked to women about 90 percent of their ex are dead by the time they're 30 not 40 30, right? Because I want them to freak out a little bit and if they say hey, I don't want to have kids I'm gonna problem with that, but if they do want to have kids and they get the they're gonna freak out at the time They're gonna panic Good, you know, that's good panic. It is anxiety is good because it helps you to change course, right? So, you know knowing that it's if you're acting out of love and care and concern For for people you can handle them being annoyed at you because, you know, it's for their They're good in the same way that you confront yourself with those truths being Embracing dislike and not just being a troll but being somebody who's willing to upset people out of love I think that's the biggest shield that that you have going forward bill Heading into the future What do you see going on? What do you see the positive changes or negative that'll be coming our way? The evolution of what are these we've built here? Well, uh, I'm more of an optimistic individual, so I'm going to say that it's going to continue to grow And I believe similar to ed. There's going to be more local tribalism I've experienced that myself through Ivan's event and fraternity of excellence and I just think that uh, the more the word is spread and maybe not through social media it's maybe going to take more of a Like stone age approach. Hey, this is what I do. This is what I'm about more of a One-on-one conversation with with people that you might recognize that are lost or struggling with something, you know As far as social media goes, you know I really could take it or leave it. I really don't spend too much time on it I mess around on twitter, but you know in the future. I see it as platform for being targeted absolutely And I think you know Having any kind of opinion one way or the another one way or another You put a target on your back, you know if you support trump They're gonna come gunning if you support masculinity they're gonna come gunning and I think you you understand when you when you put those that information out there on social media that And when I put this out there, there's a consequence to it and it's coming And I think all the gentlemen out here that have social media that put stuff out there about that I mean, they they they accept that you know that risk and mitigate it when they need to So I just think it's going to be more of a tribalistic Localized tribalism, you know, that's that's what I'm actually strive for where I live Pat, what about you? I mean, I don't think that I think what what's what Stefan was saying was was really on point with this and when you engage on social media You need to be thinking about what your intention is and where you're coming from and I think you know 2016 election was very triggering for people on both sides of the aisle And I certainly found myself falling into it at certain times getting really just like really like angry and And kind of low and like going into a low vibration state where you just wanted to fight and I think that's something that if we want to present a positive vision vision for the future we have to Avoid speak the truth like you have to speak the truth but but come at it with the right intention because Most of the people, you know, we we're we're dealing with a lot of trolls and a lot of broken and angry people who You know when we say the truth it creates a reflection of themselves and all the bad choices that they've made in their lives And all of the dissonance that they just simply exist in And it creates a massive emotional response for them But for a lot of other people who are going through some things on a lesser level They can see that Hey, this person isn't out here just to just to fight like you can you can speak truth but the intention isn't truth the intention is to hurt and That turns people off in the middle who are who are very curious right now And so in terms of like where do I think things are going? I don't know. I don't know. I think that there's a couple of different paths that You know the society could take but I know that the more that we speak from a positive message of trying to To get people to to remove this dissonance People can be more honest with themselves people can be happier people can form better relationships with each other The more we do that the more we avoid The really bad situations because there's always going to be some crazy people And we can't like one of the reasons that we have to stick our necks out and we have to speak from truth and love Is that we can't See the conversation to people who have bad intentions We can't do that because everybody else They're going to hear that and then they're either going to fall into despair and get disillusioned Or they're going to freak out and they're going to get angry and they're going to get aggressive And that's exactly what the broken people want They want that the people who hate us up here just having conversations about Being better men about building a better society The people that hate that and the people who want to want to create all sorts of labels for us and throw them at us They want people to get hurt They want things to get worse and we don't so I don't know what's going to end up happening But I know that what we're doing is maximizing the potential options that bad things aren't going to happen. And that's what I think That was very well said And I hope that that didn't fall in deaf ears When you hear somebody speak to that nature and that that authentically I hope you're paying attention because that's real and that's the lives men are actually living So don't just sit and go through you know the rmg Actually listen to what's being said George where do you see us heading? I like to say that my work is the home of sanity clarity and reason And that's what I will continue to preach Purify your intentions let your humor be truly humor When you smile and laugh let it be because comedy and humor is Normal and fun and pure don't let your laughter and humor be At someone else's expense There's certain people when you see them laughing that means someone is hurting somewhere and I feel good about separating myself from people like that as far as the future is concerned Let sanity rule not emotions I go back to my stoic roots and say Delay your emotions don't deny them. We're not going to be Robots Be pure in your actions I stirred up a storm when I Did a video on spinning plates Because I you know I have one plate And my other well I have several plates one of them happens to be a woman Another is my reading another is my writing If I If I'm Turn down on date night so to speak it's not like I pick up the phone and call You know mrs. Plan B miss plan B And that was a real move of purity for me from a guy who Was spinning five six seven eight Female plates at all times in my life. So I wanted to be more pure. I don't want to be duplicitous I want to be transparent. I want my yes to mean yes. I want my no to mean no And I don't want there to be any ulterior motives as a man with three children and two aging parents. I'm very focused On the future. I want to be able to take care of my parents As they're aging I want to be able to take care of my children And do so with pride and leave a legacy and if that legacy means a huge bank account then That's great and no one will ever make me feel bad for For Being or getting rich amassing wealth Taking care of my family. Those are all noble things and I think we need to get back to those noble things Rather than conspiracy theories about the opposite sex Which just hold us back entire movements entire movements of men from the moment they wake up in the morning They think about who's trying to screw them that day And I that rubbed me the wrong way I get up and I think about Who's going to bless me today and who can I bless today? That's the place that i'm coming from. That's my future that i'm in control of Ivan The future of the man is fair. What does it look like? Well, I think a couple of things are going to be happening number one Let's talk a little bit earlier about how that narrative has cracked Trump's done something kind of interesting And a father figure kind of way. He's shown that you can kick the apple card over And you can survive it right there that inexorable undefeatable quality that the narrative tries to portray itself and shattered That gives everybody the opportunity both the work that we do And also for everyone out there to do it Grow and not be afraid reach out. We got each other. I got your back. You got my back and That creates a grassroots kind of hope That's the most powerful thing that is that changes nations So what we have to be is competent That we have to be as coordinated that we have to be as intelligent Wise all of those things these are all healthy things that I mentioned I don't see a limit yet Until things start maybe blowing up but in the meantime We've got an open road ahead of us And there's no obstacle in it They're all afraid of us We're not afraid of them We see social justice mobs going after us on a daily basis We sign up for that Doesn't bother me in the least I sleep well at night no matter how many hundreds of thousands of resentful better angry frightened people Say that they hate me So now I think it may have been Ed who said this or someone or Asia If you wouldn't trade your life for that of your hater They're not a hater. They're a confused fan That's very true So We can make fans of all of them Why settle for less? Not going to well said Let's take it all Mr. Fan Where do you see the future of this? I don't like the question. I don't like the premise of the question Because it's sort of like how do you think this movie's gonna end? Like you're a passive person in the audience. Where does the future go? It's where a tiny minority of strong-willed people usually men want it to go No, this describing the future like you're not part of it. I think is a misnomer. I think it denies us our power If you look back at history, there are maybe 500 men Who've defined it maybe a thousand Depends how wide you want to cast the net and we can discard art and stuff like that You know science philosophy politics and so on How many founding fathers were there? 13 that most of them like it's just or maybe someone could name. Yeah, and and so If if you recognize Two things number one you have no idea how powerful you are until you're out there in the world You know, I grew up in a single mom welfare Poor nothing home, right the idea that I grow up to Command an audience of I don't even know how many 650 million views and downloads never would have guessed it in a million years You don't know how powerful you are so you step out there and really grab the reins of life and of society The future is not democratic. The future is concentrated willpower focus and courage And there's every single person in this room can change the future It's not a wild horse. We have to tame. It's something we control and drive and if you look at the mass of people and and Stupidity of institutions and the ignorance of the masses They'll follow the strong Lead them in the right direction. Obviously be right. Don't leave them in the wrong direction, right? But the future is what we want to make it The future is what we want to make it. Don't look at it like a movie that's going to unfold without your participation Get in there and change the damn script because that's what other people want to do And get in there and fight them and another thing to recognize too is that there are far more people willing to fight with swords than words That's a sad thing in society, right? There's a there's a war. How many people volunteer Thousands hundreds of thousands sometimes the people just volunteer to just go fight some stupid war All the way across the ocean often in the middle of a desert for no good purpose You get tens of thousands hundreds of thousands of people all want to get up there and fight with guns and bombs How many people are willing to step out of the public fray? And take the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune to wage a battle not of Swords but of words We are very few in number who are willing to do that and many more people Will sign up at a recruiting office then go on and tell the truth on social media And if we fail if we fail that task of fighting with words not swords I don't know man. The next war could be it The next big where everyone's so well armed everybody's got so many weapons of mass destruction There's so many terrorists so many biological chemical weapons. There's so many things you can do to the electricity grid There's so many things you can do to the water supply and so on If we fail, you know, we bridge we Barrier between chaos barbarity and civilization man if we fall I mean the deaths that follow will be to a large degree on us The last thing i'll say is there's like there's three kinds right three kinds of people in the world. There are the sheep There is a sheep dog and there are the wolves Most people are the sheep and it's nothing wrong with that division of labor. I got no problem with that It's perfectly fine. I don't resent it. It's the way things are and then there are the wolves Who want to take down the sheep and then there's us racing around the flock saying trying to bark off the wolves, right? We never get any thanks from the sheep. They don't even know what the wolves are there until they're out of one jugular It's a bit of a thankless task But the only reason we have the freedom to do it is because there were a hell of a lot of brave sheep dogs in the past And it's to their honor that we do our battle. It's a noble battle. It's an unsung battle I mean, this should be a stadium with 50,000 people cheering and Giving us mountains of bitcoins. I don't know But that that's how it should be but it is a bit of a lonely thankless battle But if you know in your heart what you're winning and achieving for the world Man You're right. There's no better life There's no better life and you know, maybe in 50 years or 100 years. They'll say damn those guys are fantastic There was but not now you just hated but it's it's worth it. It's worth it for what we save even if we never think And now I have to reframe it Tanner, what are you making the future look like? No, I like that. No, I actually I appreciate that distinction especially because It is it's what we make of it and the problem that we find ourselves in is we have We have more material success than ever And we're in the middle of more cultural decline than almost in any other point And the one distracts us from the other And at some point those two are going to coincide and and the ruins are going to collapse and the problem is is Everybody's going to scatter if we don't have something to go to And just like Stefan has alluded to You don't have you people aren't just going to automatically go to truth They're not automatically going to go to one thing that has to be created Right and the problem that I think a lot of us bump into when we do this Is we think that I'm I'm engaging on twitter or I wrote a really good article or I can engage with reason and logic Or something else and that only gets a portion of the population People don't live and die for blog posts. They don't build families because of that awesome twitter feed They do it for art. They do it for beauty. They do it for the inherent understanding that man is not a beast He is noble and he is the capacity for nobility If we want to succeed we have to reinsert our Capacity for nobility and we have to create a culture that celebrates that And the stark contrast between that innate nobility of man And the ugliness and the dross of what our current cultural decline is teaching us People will flock to that in numbers. They're not going to spread They're not going to scatter But we don't do that just by talking rationally about ideas We don't do that just by engaging on social media with words We have to do even more difficult things. We have to create art. We have to create music We have to create tradition and culture We have to embrace the idea of something bigger and more divine and more powerful than we are And if we don't do that then we may leave one form of a wreckage But we just go to another version of it So if we want to win we have to reintroduce nobility Make it appealing make it beautiful and make it aspirational deck all right We've been talking a lot about this and I agree with tenor about A lot of things which a lot of people would be surprised about that a lot would be surprised, but yeah, no Just a few issues that everybody else has talked about that I want to talk about One of the people who come at you there's maybe two categories of them There are professionals and activists and aspiring professionals And they're playing a game. They don't care about the truth at all I mean the reporters don't care about the truth. They don't they don't care about the truth at all They're playing a game. They're doing something for hire They're dead people who believe in nothing. They're terrible human beings And then there's people who want to be like them And then there's actual activists And those people you're never going to change their mind. You're going to never going to influence them in any way And they're playing a game and you're playing a game back and forth with them And then there's all this other negativity that you get which is boredom You know, it's just human weakness and sadness and We've talked to other people who who what successful man sits You know sits in uh somewhere and he's sitting there making Mean comments on the internet No one sits around doing that who's has anything positive going on in their lives These are people who are standing in line at the dmv And they have nothing to do and you you said something. I don't disagree with I hate you You know, it's stupid. It's just it's it's You can disregard that I do think you have to be aware of what People like reporters and activists and all those things. They do have tools that can wreck your life And you have to be aware of that and you have to understand Not only if there's the courage of of making a stand, but there's also strategy And understanding making smart choices rather than like I'm just going to say whatever I want to say and I don't care Because there are consequences to everything that you say and everything matters And that's why I think uh, you know to build on what you said and Actually a lot of what pat said as well. I made a choice a while ago that I'm going to put out You don't see me attacking people At all I'm going to put out positive messages and positive imagery that inspires people And if you're going to put anything out into the mass culture That's the way to go There's certain there's work that needs to be done identifying problems over and over again and someone I would say that's god's work You know, someone someone has to do that and god bless them, but it's ain't gonna be me I'm gonna you know, I've talked about a big problems in my life, but I'm also going to talk about What I think is good and what I think is beautiful and Try and represent that it's the best of my ability And that's the kind of culture I want to put out there But in terms of where the media and so forth is going Uh, that's the great stuff to put out to the mass media to the extent that we have access to it I mean on instagram and all that kind of stuff you could you could put out, you know, hey, I'm you know I'm working out. I'm getting better. I'm you know, I hired a photographer to take this great picture You can put out positive images But I also do think we are on the verge of a new wild west of the internet Because all the old Media people built their whole lives around this old media like oh, I'm gonna make my living on youtube for the rest of my life Well, that's not real You know, like if you're gonna say anything controversial or you're just gonna go off message That's not real Uh, but there are all these, you know, other people have mentioned them I've just only started to scratch the surface of looking into them all these alternative You know like blockchain servers and all these different things that people are accessing now That's going to be the second wave because there was a time on the internet not so very long ago where you could see any damn thing And it was everywhere but And I think that's going to happen again in a different way and finally You know to wrap up what ed said and you know, I wrote a book on tribalism I definitely think that you know people are going to have smaller groups in real life I think the challenge is a lot of people want to put a big Everybody wants to put I'm part of this club and I have my Boy Scout badges And I'm part and go out and I'm for fighting the good fight. Well, that's great. But then you're a target I've seen a lot of groups form But yeah, like just guys. Oh, we meet at dinner So and so you know here and there and we we have a network that we're building And to have that network is super important. You really need that But not everything has to be a big public thing because then you have to be ready to take on the role of A you have to be responsible for everyone in your group Because one of them is going to do something stupid. You're going to have to ask for an answer for it somewhere And so you have to be ready for that And if you're not ready for that and you just want to have a group of friends that to help you and make you be better Do that But you don't have to have a big name on it. Whatever And I think there are tons of guys doing that and I get emails from them and so every so often like I formed a group with my guys and I'm like good keep doing that It's awesome But yeah, I definitely think it's going to be more into you know, there are going to be a lot of smaller groups AJ let's close it out That is a lot to wrap up Social media is not going to save you. You can only save yourself If you want a better life If you want a better world, you'll have to have a better life. You have to create a better life for yourself I was discussing this with jack and tanner last night that beauty has really been lost from culture and beauty has been lost from men And I mean that sincerely We can talk about heroism. We can talk about men that we look up to we All operate in a culture. We can open up devices and see people that we envy and we can play that envy game But we also look for sources of inspiration. We also try to meet people That they are living a life that we could model our life on And how do you program minds? How do you really change someone's mind? You do that by being beautiful and whether you want to call that being handsome in the masculine sense You want to call it beautiful because that's a feminine word You have to embody beauty You have to be someone where someone can look at you interact with you and speak with you And whether they like you or not or whether they favor your aesthetic you represent something that is aspirational and it's obvious in how you live Social media these sort of finite games we play That might be barring something's from staphon, but even the mists of the black plague 1350s 1360s when three people are dying. There's still people having children Even the worst of times in the whole world is falling apart. There's still people having children living their lives trying to build something for the future The reality is that there is no final battle There is no great war that ends all wars and then we are living in utopia. There is no point in history where masculinity and patriarchy and femininity Rain together in this perfect harmony and perfect balance. That's all romanticization Every period of history has its highlights. Every period has its lowlights. There have been shitty times. There have been good times We could go back and chop it up and analyze it endlessly and we can all hope we all hope for violence A lot of people hope for violence because it means that all the ideas have been sorted out That's another great point. I see this all the time in line people wish there was this war They want it. They want right wing death squads. They want to be staphion types of bodies They want that because you know why because they don't have to think about what the ideas were They don't have to do the bowels and do the actual work of what I really believe in what actually creates a society Society constructively. Let's just fight and whoever left standing. Well, that must be true because it's stronger Yeah, that's that's nice to think about but that's not happening. The war that is going to be fought is the war on your mind That's the war that you are going to fight in it's not going to be a physical war that way There might be hot conflicts people might point gloves and punch each other You know the left and right or the right really wishes what we got all the guns That's not happening because you're all too comfortable. You still log into netflix every night. You still use amazon prime You still use uber eats. You're not getting up off your ass. Nobody is So if you really want to make a difference change your life change what you represent Really write down define and live it out how you live what you're about. What are your god giving the values? Do you believe in god? Yes, no actually ask yourself that question Because I that's a great social struggle right now Do we I do I actually believe in anything transcendent? If you have a belief in transcendent see if you believe that your actions echo into eternity Then be that operate as that and appear as that if you don't and you're going to show up how you're showing up now You already know what that gives you that gives you whatever it is you exist as today So, you know the future I don't have an estimation with what the future is the future is you the future is your individual life I can't give you the answers that way Yeah, we can talk about fractionization and bitcoinization and oh tribalism tribalism There's going to be all these small groups from course there are because that's how things go as institutions fall apart people coalesce again and again That's nothing new. There's nothing novel to that Yeah, what's novel What's novel is you what are you going to do about it? So that's my challenge to you I we can talk about all these things and be very heady with it I could take this a whole bunch of directions and be very nichean Who cares? What are you going to do? Yes or no And with that We're bringing the final red man group live 21 convention panel to a close For the decade. We're done gentlemen. Thank you for tuning in And I hope each of you take the insights these nine brilliant men shared with you apply it to your lives and take action because It's not about being a well-read man It's about applying the knowledge that you've learned to improve your life If you're not doing that you're not using the electrons properly. Thank you How you guys doing? Thank you for coming. Thank you for coming Thank you. Uh, am I mics? Am I mics? Yeah, all right. So thanks for coming to the workshop. Uh, they they said, you know, do you want to do a speech? And I said, well, yeah, because it's actually been almost a year since I've been out in front of a crowd because there's been protests and Antifa and all this kind of stuff. So there's been a lot of deep platforming So I've kind of adapted it's all a lot of suppression on youtube of my channel and stuff like that So I've kind of adapted by Going out into the world more but I can't do speeches other than with these kinds of tough guys because a lot of pushback so actually, uh, I've been doing documentaries I went to Hong Kong not too long ago I wanted to know what was going on there because it really does seem kind of fascinating kind of real battle between free markets and socialism or communism So we went, uh, I went out with the guy who made the movie hoaxed I don't know if you've ever seen hoaxed, but Mike Cernovich production is a really really good movie You can get it at hoaxedmovie.com. We went out to Hong Kong and can I go forward and backwards just out of curiosity? Yeah, okay Um, I like to stay out of focus because it makes me look younger. So if I mess around with the autofocus Oh, yeah, yeah, okay That's right So, yeah, so we went out to to Hong Kong we interview I I interviewed the guy who wrote their constitution a bunch of politicians and business people and so on Then we went down to a protest Man, these are some tough guys down there because they're facing like these seriously fascistic Hong Kong police which have a lot of influence from China And uh, it's wild, you know, they um, they try to create these makeshift barriers On the street So they'll rip up stuff like the railings and so on they'll rip it up and as soon as someone starts doing that It's called the umbrella movement partly because umbrella keeps the tear gas at bay And when someone starts ripping something up to fight against the incursion of the police military vehicles A bunch of people go and open their umbrellas because there are security cameras everywhere and this way they can't see who's Doing it and these guys are seriously brave except it had actually the girliest implement I've ever seen it was walking down towards where the police were with the with the protesters And they had little children's inflatable rafts and I'm like As far as weapons of war goes I've not seen that one and let's say no, it's a shield Right because you can you can put tape on it and you could strap it to so then when the bricks start flying You've got at least some kind of shield, right? so we went right down to the end and It's funny you have you guys been in big crowds when there's like a real something going on That's like this is collective consciousness Like people just start you know those birds when they swarm and all of that they're all kind of moving There's this kind of like people suddenly start moving one way and nobody knows exactly why and then there's another tide that goes We're right down to the end And then they unleashed all the tear gas on the protesters and that's anyone ever been Tear gas it's a little later in my presentation so you'll If you don't get emotional I'll just tear gas you so look at the passion look at the passion in their faces But yeah sprinting with tear gas. I mean it's really it you know it gets your attention right and and That that is really quite so we're still working on the documentary should be out sort of middle of next month But I hope to explain it before they get swallowed up by the chinese juggernaut, but um So going out and doing that kind of stuff is is a lot of fun But I sort of miss interacting with people about philosophy, right? So I do this call-in show I have for like 15 years So when they said you want to do like a workshop I'm like hell's yeah, because if we can talk philosophy or how philosophy can help you And it's not just me staring at a camera in a studio. I mean I contact and all of that I mean that's way better because it drives me crazy when I do all these calls and I don't want to put people on video because a lot of them are dealing with sort of very sensitive issues So the idea of actually being able to see the people I'm talking to is like absolutely Yeah, so these doors fortunately locked from the outside. So you can't leave That's just you know I appreciate you coming and I appreciate you staying although the first was a choice the second really isn't so thank you For all of that, but so the way we can start is you know if there's something I don't know if you've listened to my show before know the kind of approach that I take But it's you know philosophical and I'm not afraid of personal issues because to me Philosophy is something that should help you in your daily life You know, it's great to talk about free will and how do you validate the senses and how do you know the nature of reality? And are we living in a simulation and that's great stuff and I you know It's just a foundation, but does that really help you in your day-to-day life? And I don't know that it does hugely. I think it may have a big effect sort of long term So the way that I really like to work with philosophy is These kinds of principles should Be able to help you in your day-to-day life. It's great to understand nutrition You know, I know at a men's conference when I'm at lunch and everyone's like, so what's your diet? What are you? What are you? Okay? What are you benching? What's your diet? But you know because because we want the abstract principles not to be like masculinity and femininity But also does it help you work out? Does it help you maintain your weight? Does it keep you healthy? It's the same thing with philosophy and abstract principles are great, but it really can hit the Rubber can hit the road in your life. And so if anybody has like a yearning burning what we're going to do is You guys are off-camera because I said it's all about me No, because you know you want some privacy and all that so your voice will be on but the camera will be on me So if you have for if anybody hopefully you do otherwise It's going to be two hours if me doing a I don't know a soft shoe routine or something Which you really don't want to see but if you have Something that's going on in your life that you think philosophy might help with I will be happy to bring That to bear, but so I guess the first question is Does anybody have questions Yeah, so once you take a mic and we'll we'll talk about it Do you have a joke you'd like to share with the entire class? Sorry. I'm just being I'm being my my third great teacher, right? Did you bring enough gum for everyone? Any of your enemies in the room at the moment because we can cage match like totally Fuck it. We can cage match Grab a pen stab like a bitch, man Sorry you wanted to Sorry on and on and off. No, I didn't get that off. I don't It just glitched for me there. It's like, okay So I I think one of my questions or comments are added to is um Just how philosophy and logic has at least me growing up wasn't really Especially in the educations in some words supposedly It's supposed to be given some form or another. It's it's not At least the way over the opposite really, right? It's not non philosophical. It's anti philosophical. It's anti philosophical, right? So You know, I guess now that I'm a little older. I Started reading right? I've actually done a little more more work in that realm because I know that's that's one of my weaknesses so can you recommend some like kind of like a guide or roadmap that'll You know help me and as well as if I end up having a family and having the kids You know, how to impart that because I mean For the foreseeable future I don't see that Going back to no, we're not turning it around quite yet. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's that's a great a great question. So We can talk about the reasoning I got a whole series of free books on the on the web free domain.com The books are all all free except for the art of the argument Because I wanted to get that on amazon on audible and I had to charge for it But so I obviously I'd recommend my own books, you know I mean play-dose dialogues are are fantastic for getting started but that stuff try and stay away from the Germans They'll just pretzel your brain till you can't know which way is up But uh, Nietzsche is great as a thought provoker. He's more of an aphorist Like so Nietzsche will say really really cool things like give a man A why and he can bear almost any how right if you have enough of a purpose you'll find a way to get there Is that philosophy? I'm not sure. It's fortune cookie stuff. It's thought provoking or he said he said something I always remembered he said vanity is the fear of appearing original It's kind of true right because Vane means that you want to look good to other people But other people usually look at originality like it's some sort of airborne virus That's going to strip you of your testicles, right? So, uh, vanities So thought provoking stuff but not necessarily of great utility in your in your daily life so Schopenhauer well I don't know for the men's rights guys I should recommend Schopenhauer for his view on women and so on but Schopenhauer in terms of Pessimism is very important because we all have to wrestle with nihilism, right? We all have to wrestle with nihilism particularly right after we realize just how much we've been fucking lied to In life, we all have to wrestle, you know Some people call it the red pill rage with regards to male female issues But we've got the truth reason and evidence we get pretty pissed and Reading people like Schopenhauer who are more negative can help you process that although It's not where you want to stay right? You know what I mean? It's not where you want to stay It's like chemo, you know go to chemo Stop going to chemo right and and go and deal with the negativity and then find a way to move on I'm a big fan of iron ran very digestible philosophy very thought provoking and an incredible writer You know you all this cliches about oh, you know, she couldn't do great characters and so on it's like Dude, I mean it's stylized. It's romanticism. It's not kitchen sink drama. It's not supposed to replicate life It's supposed to give you something to aim for rather than Hold up a mirror to reality. It's like saying, you know in shakespeare. Nobody's that poetic. It's like, yeah Oh The other thing too, which really pisses me off. This is a total by the by. I'm sorry about that My whole life, you know, in if you guys have read Fountainhead at the Shrugged and so in it There is some pretty rough sex scenes right where the women are like no no no fine fine fine No, no no fine And so like my whole time is like, oh, this is like rape culture and it's the rapes in these movies And this is terrible and terrible and terrible and this is why nobody woman should ever read I ran It's like then along comes 50 shades of gray and I'm like, oh You've got to be kidding me Can you get it right because it's like oh this is like and it's like oh What did he just not have a helicopter if Howard rock had a helicopter? He'd be fine Jesus anyway so, um I think a lot of that stuff is really really good to start with as far as for for me and I think Emotional motivation is more important than intellectual focus because If you have this is if you give a man A why he can bear almost any how why do you focus well for me a lot of it had to do with real anger real anger at Not just the human birthright, but more specifically the masculine birthright that I was stripped of Because men are really really good at arguing and debating and processing reality right because we build the shield the shelter Civilization which keeps the women and the children are safe, you know, there's this old line from the godfather where he says, uh, you know Women like men can't afford to make mistakes women and children can afford to make mistakes But men can't and there's I think there's a sort of glean of truth In that so if for me it was like holy shit. I've really really been lied to And and the the greatest power and musculature of my intellect Was not just a trophy that was turned against me. I was supposed to argue against myself against reality against reason against evidence against facts And so we are really castrated mentally in a very gynocentric educational system, right? I mean, uh, when I was a kid single mom Daycare female teachers at primary school female teachers. I did go to boarding school Which was more masculine for a couple of years when I was six to eight But you know for the most part it's just like women women women authority authority authority And I remember when people first telling me about the patriarchy. It's like how what now? Patriarchy like I didn't know any real fathers around when I was growing up and all the teachers were women of the day I've worked in a daycare when I was a teenager. It's all females except for me So this whole patriarchy thing to seem kind of crazy. So once you get angry and anger is A really really great emotion. It gets really powerful. It's your body's immune system, right? Like you you know AIDS is when your immune system doesn't recognize a foreign virus as far as I understand it It doesn't fight back against it and it's not AIDS that kills you. It's all the so anger male anger has been demonized as something destructive But it's not You know, you get angry at cold you you build a house Right, you get angry at having a walk everywhere. You build a road If anger is very very important and very healthy should be demonized like it's just destructive But that's that's rage. That's totally different, right? That's that's very very different Like there's times when your body's immune system will attack yourself Right and that's that's rage, right? You want your body's immune system You want it to be functional so you can't be without anger that's unhealthy But you don't want it to attack yourself and your values. You this way the shopping house stuff is kind of toxic You don't want it to be rage, but you want that healthy anger So that you can push back against that which is trying to destroy you not to the point where you destroy yourself Obviously, that's the rage part But that anger is really important once you realize How much has been robbed of you and how much has you've been lied to? We're pretty good at focused anger as men and and that gets us through to a destination, right? I mean Fuck the wolf who's trying to eat your family like sorry man, you know, we're both mammals, but it's you or me, right? And so that that anger I think is really important Of course again when when you say anger is good or whatever people think you just sit in a Bit of rage at a corner, you know, like meatloaf design denied dessert or something, but it's not that really Sorry, just that's an older reference for people people think why would a piece of food be allowed dessert? I just listened to bad out of hell the other night while I was working on something Dear god, I'm telling you that music can beat the shit out of modern music It really can it's like a bike again hitting a tutu gang Anyway, um, it's killer. It's killer. Just get into that music. I mean that that guy's childhood too Holy shit. Do you know me about the meatloaf childhood? Holy crap. So he grew up in Texas, Texas kid, right? Not a small kid his father Beat him like threw him through plate glass windows downstairs and his father meatloaf's father this will actually make sense in a sec, but meatloaf's father came at him with a knife and meatloaf was a big boy right and put his father in hospital and then left barefoot in his mid teens left home And uh, yeah, he's had some he's had some challenges for sure, right? But um That anger is really really important. It's Something that when you harness it it gives you incredible repulsion If it if it's absent from you you're inert if it's too present like this Aristotelian mean is really really important for men More so I think than for women, right? So Aristotelian mean is you want something that's a balance between two, right? So what what do you call an excess of courage? Foolhardiness is more of the technical term like, you know fools rush in where angels fear to tread, right? so an excess of Of courage is like i'm going over the first world war trench into the german machine gun nest, right? You're like Gallipoli down into nothing, right? And so an excess of of courage is Is a vice it's dangerous, right and a deficiency of courage is called Cowardice right in which case you don't take on necessary fights and you get people to walk all over you, right? So you don't want to be a bully, but you don't want to be a victim you want to be assertive not aggressive And that is a tough balance to find and this is something Aristotle said like 2500 years ago He said any idiot can get angry You know any idiot and we see this all the time a road rage and you know people screaming at security guys Anyone can get angry to get angry at the right time in the right proportion about the right issues and express it in the right way that's hard That's hard and we have been taught to shy away from our anger because it's toxic masculinity And it's destructive and somehow it's going to make babies explode in the womb or something like that Which is more female narcissism and abortion, but anyway So I think that the to me the anger has been very very Healthy and very very helpful and if we can really embrace that and use it for us You know What a border is around a country but boundaries in a relationship And if you don't because we've been so emasculated with regards to anger our countries are open for the taking Which is catastrophic for us So that that I can tell you all the books and so on but if you like you want to reclaim what was taken from you Like get angry at the people who took something from you and fight to get it back It's like if somebody stole your father's wealth and you didn't get your inheritance You'd be pretty mad and you'd fight to get it back and you should and that's the same thing with our reasoning and all of that It's really been stripped from us So and that's to some degree because we have a whole education system that can't stand even the remotest moral scrutiny You know, we have an educational system that's paid for by forced coercive taxes And often in many countries children are forced to go there or you're certainly forced to pay for it Even if you don't have kids or even if like me you homeschool So we have an entire educational system based upon pointing guns at people to get what you want And then we go to that educational system and they say well, don't push anyone You can't you can't take stuff without permission you've got to respect property rights. It's like who pays your salary The gun Yeah, so I mean it's so compromised that you can't even look at it without your brain You know, it's like the mom like they did this real time study a couple of years ago on on day We're trying to study how parents interacted with their children and what they regularly heard was this Over and over and over again mom's hitting their kids for you know, virtually nothing Like we're trying to turn the page too soon in a book and stuff like that, right? and That level of violence and is is occurring all the time and it's often moms sometimes dads, of course, and They literally heard over and over again Don't hit Like come on, I mean this this the kids look at that like Well, it's it's it's like it's an asylum It's an asylum, right It's like some guy wiping a shit on the wall saying Shit should never be on walls Like this is an asylum like where we live is an asylum I mean, it's less of an asylum than it's been most of history is even worse of an asylum Most of the world is even more of an asylum But you know get get mad at the people who lie to your face And I think that that's there's a big big incentive for a philosophy All right Yes, sir, are we gonna uh, you know, uh, yeah, we're gonna pass that over And we can do it back and forth. You don't have any one question if you you know, we can do it back and forth No problem And then I would say Right Yes, saying is the new gay So cancel culture is a dress rehearsal for mass murder I'd be very clear cancel culture is a dress rehearsal for mass murder They're seeing if people can be disappeared From social media and if people accept people being disappeared from social media Then they will accept people being disappeared from the world When communists get into power when socialists get into power they kill us No kidding no fooling and our families are lucky to get away Yeah, yeah, it's a great leap forward off a cliff Cancel culture is a dress rehearsal for extermination Yeah, listen, they call it character assassination Because it's a rehearsal, right? It's a rehearsal and the kind of lies that are told about me in the mainstream media in Wikipedia and and other places Are very specifically designed to get crazy people to target me in a violent manner It's it's an incitement to to violence, right? Because they portray me as such an evil person that's the old Would you shoot Hitler if you think is a baby or whatever it is, right? So, uh, yes, it is a sociopathic dress rehearsal for extermination And it's very very serious stuff because we want to push back while it's still in the form of language rather than wait until it's Guys kicking in your door at three o'clock in the morning and and everybody vanishing. So yeah cancel culture is Well, first of all, it's the opposite of culture See culture is when you disagree. Otherwise, it's a cult. It's just the first syllable cult Not culture, right? So culture is when we disagree And we are allowed to disagree because that's what culture is It's just conformity. Otherwise, it's just like ants in a row. It's nothing, right? So when you silence people you disagree with That's the opposite of culture That's stagnation. That's decay and it there's a murderousness to it. There's a murderousness to it But there changes the definition of the words To change the definition of fascism The fascism is to violently push someone back from not breathing But now the change hits an illegal to be able to properly speech Of course. Yeah, of course. So what what they do. Yeah, what they do is they they will They will charge up words with such negative connotations that when they then attach those words to people It's like that laser painting for an airstrike Right. So so that's they they want to charge up like words like racism white nationalist white supremacist Fascist Nazi they charge these words. Listen, some of these words have negative connotations for good reason and all that But they charge these words up to the point where it overwhelms the mob's Capacity for reason and it it creates such a level of hatred Against those words that then when they attach those words to people It's designed to call in violence, which is what I've sort of been facing, right? I mean, I can't it's that's why it's nice to come out here with with you lovely people because you know, we go out other places and You know people are attacking the venues. There are bomb threats death threats They call 9-1-1 the police don't even show. I mean this state of nature out there For for free thinkers at the moment. So this is this is a nice break from the studio What do you do with the change in the definition of racism? I mean I'm reading now things like That Well see now race is very clearly defined when it's time for affirmative action But when whites say well, we're a race and we have race interest. Well, who knows what being white is It's like I don't remember that confusion when the term white privilege was nobody said well You can't talk about white privilege because white is so undefined There's like no white privilege, right? But yeah, when then whites say well, you know, we're a race and we may have particular considerations Particularly when you know, there's lots of negative views of whites being pumped out there through the academia and so on Suddenly white is this amorphous thing that you can't possibly define you can see Jared Taylor gets hit with these kinds of things as well, right? I mean as far as just you have to stand up and speak the truth. You know, I mean the alternative to standing up is Disaster beyond what we can imagine and understand too that so the word racism It's largely Invented and deployed by communists in order to sow divisions between The races, right? So we have people of different races here We're going to have a pleasant and rational conversation and I don't care about your race and you shouldn't care about mine It doesn't matter, right? But if people can come in and say, ah, well you see you have to hate me because of privilege And I have to hate you because of this and we have something we don't have this in common And we don't have that in common if they can sow these kinds of divisions they can create civil war and they can say Hey, man capitalism failed You know, which is like you know, it's like like poisoning your wife and saying well, I guess she just didn't work out A couple of more crunches she'd have been fine, right? So it's you know a multiracial society to me, you know, it's fine, but if a multiracial society Is then has sows of hostility a hatred and division sewn in Then we're doomed We're doomed and it's you know, that's why I push back against this term. There are races out there for sure But it should be very sparingly applied, you know this the spray of everyone with racism It devalues the word which is an important word because there are some people out there who are a racist Maybe this is I see a correlation, but I'm not sure it's a correlation. Um, I feel like a my generation on my mid 40s I feel like I saw my grandparents generation Out of a racist that that was the that was the norm And I feel like I watched that whole change during my growing up when we were taught not to be able to treat a man like a man Content of the character rather than the color of the skin absolutely, yeah now we got to the point where I maybe i'm naive but That I thought most of that was gone the system the systemic stuff where the corporations are doing it or the government is doing it and now it's like all of that which you've been raised and they're trying to tell us that it was that the americans like it was you know pre-1967 Is it because we My generation of kids is it because the generation between my grandparents had kids and like out of that it puts Causing to have a few uh So the analogy that I would use is imagine that you're an impressionable young man and you put yourself under the tutelage of some guru or mentor who says I'm going to get rid of your muffin top give you a nice six pack and you know, you're going to work out and all that right And you're like, yeah, okay. I could I could do that right So then he puts you on a diet and and you know You start working out and so on and you lose the weight and you get some definition and all that kind of stuff, right But then the process keeps going You got to work out more you got to eat less to the point where Your health becomes seriously compromised, right? So the bait is Come and be Healthy and be fit and get girls or whatever it is, right? Be the only guy on the planet who looks good in the banana hammock speedo or whatever, right? So That's the bait but it goes too far and then it ends up compromising your health So with the leftist the the goal of anti-racism was not to eliminate racism The goal of anti-racism was to set the racists against each other And we know that because that's what they keep doing So it's like oh, yeah, you know, you'll get a six pack It's like no you'll end up with your heart failing because you don't have any body fat left And you've got no cushion for your internal organs and you you know, you can't survive right because The bait is hey, you're going to get healthy, but then you starve to death, right? So the goal is to kill you The bait is the abs if that makes sense, right? So the goal is to set us against each other to the point where we end up hating each other and fighting each other But the goal is hey, we want to just want to end racism It's like no, you don't because now there are huge numbers of Hate crime hoaxes, right? Someone says oh, I was attacked for this that of the other Turns out to be false Now you have white privilege white institutionalized blah, blah, blah, right even though jews make more money than whites Nobody ever talks about that as much as east asians right make more money than whites Guys blacks from from west africa make more money per capita than whites when they come to the america, right? Very talented and smart people indians Make a huge amount of money, but somehow it's all white privilege, right? So when racism has been diminished and you invent new racism Right, it's like saying well, you know you can pinch an inch. It's like oh now you can pinch a millimeter Oh now you you know like you just the goal is not to end racism. The goal is to inflame and exacerbate tensions To the point where we fight The civil rights They were they were very they were very well-meaning people and who likes racism anybody no of course not, right? So there are well-meaning people who want to get rid of it for sure But we know from the documentary evidence historically that it was in 1923 That the communist international said we're going to inflame racial tensions particularly in america In order to destroy capitalism That's that's that's not me, right? You can look it up. It's well documented And so that that that was very much set in place And what they did was they hooked into legitimate grievances of blacks in america entirely legitimate grievances And and injustices that the blacks had suffered historically obviously slavery, jim crow segregation all that kind of stuff all government programs by the way So they had legit and legitimate grievances like the guy says oh, I'd like to lose a little weight It's like yeah, I want to starve to death, right? Can we just find something in the middle, right? So I don't you know, you can't mind read the motivations of everyone involved And there were some people who wanted to do good things and and did do good things But the fundamental driver and why it hasn't stopped and what's like feminism, right? Was the purpose of feminism for equality for women? Well, no Because the whole point the whole problem of the government funded revolution is it never knows when to stop It can't stop Because if it stops it loses its funding Right, so like if you have a charity that says hey, we're going to go and eliminate polio It's like hey, I don't play that game with horses. No, no the other one so Nothing funnier than a good polio joke, but So if there's a place, oh, we want to get rid of polio, right? And then you give them a bunch of money and then they go like, oh, we developed a vaccine. Now polio's gone. What do you do? Stop paying them You start paying them because polio hey result right like when you lose weight You're supposed to stop at some point before you die, right? And it's the same thing with feminism with with anti-racism and so on. It's like When does when is the problem solved enough where we stop? Right like they say what do they say about climate change? It's settled science. It's like, oh, well, then we should stop funding it, right? It's settled It's like we don't fund research into whether the world is a sphere or not, right? I mean that's settled science, right? We don't know is gravity still working today. Let's test, right? so sometimes when like It sounds Hispanic and if I were to raise my voice to those people Right saying, oh, you know, it's still not soft and I raised my hand and said no. Hello. Look at me As a Hispanic gentleman, you're doing fine, right? Yeah. Yeah. What like, okay, so how do how do you approach that? How do I make them? I mean, I'm pretty sure they're not going to change their mind but at least See if there's some kind of spark that can See that can put in their mind saying well So there's I mean there's a contradictory argument put out by the leftist and listen, I know I'm bagging a lot on leftist I've got my criticisms of rightist and everyone thinks I'm a conservative, but I'm not right technically a market anarchist, but anyway So the the leftist with regards to race relations and economics, they say two things that are very contradictory number one The capitalists are just evil people driven to exploit and make money off everyone no matter what, right? That's number one and number two Well, they just won't hire Hispanics or blacks or whatever, right? They just won't hire them because they're racist. It's like well Can't have both, right? If you're just money hungry, then whoever you could profit from you'll make money from right? I mean if if women were so economically productive And you could get a woman for 75 cents on the dollar Women should all just go hire women and kick everyone else's ass economically, right? But they Don't do that, right because they're not dumb, right manipulative perhaps but not done And so so I mean just you got to point out now for me I don't know if you guys let me know if you've had this moment where the wires cross You have this, you know, like you've you've been told stuff all your life And suddenly it's like You know, like the two wires which are never supposed to touch, you know The internet is jamming them all together and you know, and you just like that's where the spark of Thought and life comes from, right? I mean, I remember with my own personal family history I won't get into too many details if you've heard it before but I remember when I was 12 My mother My brother went one place. My mother went another place and I stayed with a friend of mine's grandparents I didn't even know and somebody said well. Why did your family split up? And I was like 20 when they asked this, right? So being like eight years And I was like I I have no idea Why did we all go different around like and and that was like the beginning of like, oh, you know Like think that meme of the guy Right, that was the beginning of of so you get those wires to cross. Okay, if if capitalist evil people who want to profit Then why would they give up profits for the sake of racism? Then they have considerations other than mere profit in which case they can't just be profit motive, right? and so if Men are so sexist and and yet men want to just be capitalist to profit off everyone then why don't the higher women To make more money the women are so economic so now some people you can touch those wires. There's still no circuitry Right like nothing They have this they've developed this weird 1984 thing of like two simultaneous thoughts with no problem whatsoever, right? So what can you do with those guys? You can't right? Sorry. There's no wiring, you know Like that's like digging up somebody from the 18th century and saying cpr You know, he's gone jim, right? So but some people right you you cross those wires. There's a spark, right? And there's something like whoa, that doesn't that doesn't gel, right? Now those people you just you're launching them on a lifelong journey And that's a beautiful thing to do and I had mine where it's just like well, wait Right, so yeah, that's my yeah So i'm gonna say those canceled culture i think it's kind of a Symptom or an example if you will of the overton window But not not moving the and reframing the terms of whatever the debate is In a particular direction and frankly Frog boiling in the water doesn't know it's boiling yet Then another way that I think manifest in the political arena is you know, Beto or saying yeah, we're gonna come take you here Did you see sorry to interrupt did you see the video of him getting his flu shot? What he's got these You know like you take plasticine pink plasticine roll it like this attach it and that's what his arms look like And so somebody yourselves looks like somebody took his guns already It's kind of funny, right? It's kind of funny wait you guys laugh in the most of the joke that isn't even mine. Okay, that's fine I The point being it's you know cancel whether it's that or cancel culture or extremism of candidates It's like what can we get away with today? To inoculate people against what we really want to do tomorrow so Have any insight into that Well, so the most censorship that we experience is horizontal not vertical Right. I mean, I assume nobody here has been prosecuted for hate speech violations or anything like that, right? So so why are we silent? Why are we silent? Well Outside of you know, maybe professional repercussions or whatever, right? So why are we silent? You were saying that you know, we're we hide right there's not families don't even know right and Why why did we hide because see Slavery mental slavery is not hierarchical. It's horizontal It's horizontal, right? We keep each other down We keep each other down like it's a part of my speech earlier about saying like the women won't have sex with you If you disagree with them, whatever that's a form of slavery, right? You can't speak out. Otherwise, no no v bombs for you, right? so The question with courage has to do horizontally with our horizontal relationships, right because we're not usually threatened from above Right, I mean it so like we're not usually the police don't show up You know, like you threaten horizontally, right? Which is why the reputational damage is considered to be where things are at like that's why I show up on the front cover of the New York Times As as someone who radicalized I radicalized someone see because a guy listened to my show He was unemployed. He had no girlfriend He listened to my show And he got a job And a girlfriend Well, she was christian though, so that New York Times may not be a huge fan of that So so that that's me like on the cover of the New York Times as radicalizing someone you can go find it online I wouldn't say it's kind of funny because I was a little like oh new york times Yay, I've made it big but um But anyway, it didn't turn out to be too bad. There's a picture of me jordan peterson lauren southern and um Milton Friedman No, because they they took through this guy They got a search history or his watch history and these are all the people that you know So there's me next to Milton Friedman who's kind of a hero of mine And it's like all right. I'll take the free advertising. Yeah, put me next to a Nobel prize winning economist Fine, I'll I'll live with it So yeah, so the character assassination is designed to obviously to make you unhireable and and and so the economic stuff Is a different matter But the question is the family table family dinner table, right the family dinner table What are our relationships composed of Either are they composed of our presence or our absence? Are they composed of ourselves or our conformity? Now for myself I cannot have relationships Where I can't be myself because they're not relationships They're not A proximity accidental biological cage, whatever you want to call it, right? So it's just If I have to silence myself in order to Be in a relationship with someone And listen, I'm not saying this is some big virtue and I'm you know, I stand alone and you know How it work everybody has their own comfort levels And so this is a it's a complicated question, right because there are consequences and I of course am a public figure Who is already out so to speak in terms of what it is I believe so like what else can they do to me, right? Like now they feel okay I'm a Nazi white supremacist whatever whatever right all of it's false completely false, but Okay, what else are they going to say now, right? I mean they there's nothing left in their chamber except real bullets Which we're all working to avoid by Committing to to freedom. So when it comes to what can you do? I don't look at the big picture stuff that much You know, like I'd love to end the Fed. I think the Federal Reserve is is catastrophic Am I going to be able to do it? Well, no Right, I mean I would love to end This constant imperialism that the American Empire is engaged in I'd love to end these useless Israel proximate desert sand wars of ultimate futility and destruction I'd love to end All of this massive transfer of wealth from poor people in rich countries the rich people in poor countries that Masquerades is foreign aid. I'd love to get rid of corporate subsidies. I'd love to get rid of the tax code I'd love to get rid of the whole damn mess But I can't right. I mean I can engage with people and and this is where You have to make that choice and whatever choice you make. So I always say this in my show I don't care what choice you make as long as it's conscious Right, so if you say I'm going to stay in a marriage for the sake of the kids Okay I can't tell you whether you should or shouldn't your life, right? But as long as it's conscious As long as it's conscious as long as you've made a choice I will accept your choice So is it conscious for you guys That there you have relationships where you can't Be yourself where you bite your tongue where you Chew the honesty of your soul into nothing Just to be there now You can say Okay, I got to provide for my family. This is a job. I'm hired by a bunch of leftists. I'm going to shut up at work Okay, fine. Yeah, I'm not going to say oh you coward you should go and live under a bridge for your principles Right, I don't know. I'm not living under a bridge for my principle. So I'm not going to tell that to you But as long as it's conscious and you say I'm going into this and I'm going to shut the hell up And I'm not going to wear that hat or that hat or that hat or this hat And uh, you know, I'm going to pretend that Hillary Clinton is queen bud a cheer of reason and evidence fine, right? Fine I'm going to pretend that drag queen shows for kids in public libraries where they stuffed money into Rather hairy corsets totally fine. Well, like whatever like just be conscious of it, right? Now, I think once you're conscious of it, it changes The way that you approach things Right, I mean, what's the best way to get men to do something is to tell them that they can't Right, we all that way it's all forbidden fruit. It's all grass is greener, right? So when you say to yourself in a relationship, I can't be honest What is part of you say? Fuck that I'd be more honest, right? You thought I was going to meet you halfway. No, no, no Now that I know I'm going the whole hog. It could be right or you could again decide to be it's kind of humiliating to bite your tongue, isn't it? You know, we have the right of free speech And it's kind of it doesn't it feel a little like Sorry Well, no, no, because if you're telling your truth, this is what it's saying Just tell the truth to yourself and say I choose in this situation to not tell the truth I know to be essential Right, and if you say that There's situations where you can do that for sure, right You know, some tax collector comes to my door. I'm not going to tell them that taxation is theft You know There's reasonable, you know pick your battles reasonable. I understand all of that, right? But in your personal relationships, can you tell the truth and you know, it can be a political truth It can be a personal truth Right, it can be an emotional truth Right, it can be You my dear uncle Tell the same stories all the time you got to mix it up Like seriously, this is like you said sounds like baby steps. That's important stuff So does anyone have like one of these where it's like you're You're biting your tongue or you look like you're the aforementioned meatloaf running up stairs or Okay, do you want to get a what are you there? Yeah, yeah And listen, you guys talk more if you want. I mean seriously You can watch this on video. So like let's engage, right? Yeah That's harsh What was it? Do you think what did you say that they found objectionable? I was like, no, man, just be yourself. So, you know, I'm talking about how to open man And uh, so you look with the enemy. Yeah, what else? Collaborator Vishi As service, uh, like, you know, a lot of these things that people need and uh, they basically said like, you know, this This is uh, an interview once they call just on the counselor down So I left hanging my head and I haven't gone back since to uh redo it because how long ago was that? That was in Right Now, of course, it's a lot of education to get to that room, right? It's the last thing so you've you've got you had a mentor or you've done Undergraduate graduate work, right, right and that's a tough call, right? Because you know, do you want to be in a club where that's the entrance? Or on the other hand, you just bite your tongue get through that entrance and do your thing Yeah Well, I you know, here's here's my answer to that which may be clarifying maybe not So the answer to that is 350 bucks an hour That's the answer. I don't fuck the rest of it. That's the answer Sometimes you got to bite the bullet to do you want to be a part of the game? You know like any business, you don't tell the guy you're interviewing that he's an ass because company sucks But if you know that there's teams in there that you could work with and be functional yourself That's if you know there's a place that you could create Well, what I like to do in my class will get coverage and I like that they will So so yeah the the question if you make it a personal decision It's almost unresolvable because you're split, right? I mean ambivalent, right? It's a more technical phrase But so my answer would be But once you get the designation then you can accept the insurance money, right? Well, no, but you might want to get it in case they change the rules Well, yeah, so Let's say that there's some advantage to it because if there's no advantage to it then it doesn't matter Right, so if there is some advantage to it the question for and this is my sort of personal struggle Which I have every day the question is The men you can help or the women you can help on the other side of that. What did they want? What's best for them because you make it about you you can go back and forth like ping-pong with yourself forever Right, but if it's about okay, what's best for the people on the other side of that room Now I think that there may be No, the people who you're gonna help the clients you're gonna have down the road now. Maybe some of them Yeah, what's what's best for them now? What's best for them? I think is that you get this designation Yeah, so if it's not like if it's just about you then it's right So for me, okay, so I walk the line on a lot of topics and so on like I could go further and so on But what's best for the world is that I continue to have a voice out in the world, right? So that's how I kind of make if it's just about what do I want to talk about saying is what's best for the world What's best for the people who donate to me and how do I use their funds and so on, right? So if there's people that you can help on the other side of that Because of that then it's worth doing Yeah, that's that's where that's where it landed. Yeah, um, but yeah no, I appreciate that. Yes Are you are you practicing on your own? Are you practicing? Yeah, I'm in the process You know prior practice. Yeah, okay. I'm gonna say because sometimes licensing or getting experience when you're in a group Is necessary You know where to give yourself the freedom moving on because I work for some big corporations I didn't like everything I learned how to work and then I use all that From my own business and create my own brand and do what I want to do. Right. I don't answer anybody, right? That's what I've done. It's just there's a governing audit, right? And so it's that license. Yeah, but it does help the people I work with Same time. So you may have to learn the language for 40 minutes one day No, and and it's not it's not submission to them It's support of those you help on the other side Right because as men we don't like us. I think women feel this way too. We don't like to submit to politically correct language We don't like to bite our tongues. We don't like us. That's not us, right? That's not why we have a civilization and In a sense, you can say they've made it ridiculously easy to walk through that room because you know exactly what to say So it's like, okay, you know, it's like for me. I don't like taxation So I just have to live like I'm not really good with my money Because I just you know, I lose 40 percent or whatever, right? It's like, let's just pretend I have a gambling habit Let's pretend I got a coke habit or you know, I'm into like really expensive hookers or something like that, right? So just pay them and then just Live with like live like they're not there, right? And and so, you know, I write my check and move on, right? I thought it was great to have a patient trying to find someone that was red pill You know, like after they wrote between the fact me and they came out with that total anti-nail Oh, yeah I've had therapists around like different parts of my life in different shops and I went through terrible couples there telling my Telling my marriage where there was no accountability allowed inside the whole line and I found something that would help me It's been very helpful, but I can't get any insurance to pay for I can't Deceptive on my taxes because it's not technically a Therapy because it's not the price of the license You might actually give some men some hope. How many men are younger than me? Anybody you have to go to their insurance to get that. So that's what I'm saying I'm actually from Canada as well. Oh, yeah, yeah And I've been able to you know continue to run the men's groups and things like that. So it's been It's been good if you're right. I have been able to reach people. I wouldn't otherwise reach And it's usually the ones that often ones the most needed problem didn't have so Yeah, okay, we're going to get on the road To have a certain level three, especially the socialized Yeah, that social meant socialized Culture you have to have what they don't want you to have money I'm gonna change the topic. So I got a question for you. Yeah If you study John like JD Unwin and I think sir John glove, right? They do a lot of historical analysis of empires and society and civilizations the second. I know not the first Okay, I think JD Unwin did on sex and culture. It is actually a little bit more profound I have to finish the book I'm nearly but uh Essentially what the analysis says is these empires tend towards destruction, right? We kind of basically die in our own Excess, you know victory has defeated you to quote Bane, right? And that he as a species never got back from that. So my question is philosophy. I think is very useful System from a society and culture perspective But it is trying to come up with a good philosophy to help save Western civilization Like telling that that person who's got stage 4 cancer like hey, it's not going down the hamburger, right? One you like you need to go into major surgery You need to put the cap remove the cancer cells We need to overhaul everything the other one is I don't know what the parallel is if you will first yeah, no, it's a great question and we can't stop the crisis It's too late for that Right, we're talking about this at lunch every human being on this planet survives only because they're 30 000 per capita in debt Right, we've thrown this crazy life accelerant of infinite debt into the human world and We have a massive population because of debt And this is incredibly cruel Because it's unsustainable, right? So when the money runs out when the money printing runs out when the interest rates end up having to go up when The checks can't be sent when the like eventually you can do a whole bunch of tricks You know, I said Hemingway asked some rich guy or there's some story involving Hemingway Some guy was super rich ended up bankrupt and he said how did you go bankrupt? He was so wealthy. He said really really slowly and then And then really fast Because it does you can right you can juggle shit forever, right? Well, not forever But you can right keep the plate spinning for a long time and then boom like Rome, right? I mean they kept it going for hundreds of years debasing the currency mass immigration giant welfare estate almost like there's a lesson or two there but um But eventually they they couldn't jam any more garbage into their coins. They couldn't debase the currency anymore They couldn't tax anyone anymore because all the young men were moving out of the cities because they didn't want to be Drafted so then they had a whole bunch of mercenaries that they were paying and they didn't have any coin to pay them Or the mercenaries wouldn't take their coin because it was trash And they just came to rome and sacked it and rome went from population of a million two million to 17 000 in one year And then you got dark ages so-called dark ages largely to do with muslim predation upon europe But that's a topic for another time So it it it happens it it absolutely happens that which mathematically cannot continue will not continue And we it's too late, right? There's no soft landing Certainly trump was an attempt to get people from the Receiving end of taxes to the paying end of taxes, right? That was the goal and and that's been significantly successful, right? black unemployment hispanic unemployment employment record lows millions of people off food stamps millions of people off welfare To paying taxes, which is what the democrats hate because of course if you're paying taxes You want taxes to go down if you're receiving taxes You're fine with them going up because you don't pay them and right. It's good for you, right? Half of canadians don't pay any federal taxes Yeah, same same same as you got half of people. It's not the whole story But half of people live enough the other half of people So the whole point of trump was to herd people from the takers to the makers Because that's right, but the problem is they just keep importing more takers, right? Open borders mass migration just keep importing more takers, right immigrants in america 74 percent of them are on welfare right, so You'd no point bailing out a boat if there's like waves crashing down on the other side, right? I mean, I guess it helps a little bit So trump unless he does something wild with his second term, right? Because he might say hey man first term dress rehearsal second term Alligators flame pits and mines along the border and mass deportations and like who knows, right? This could be like extreme sports down down south or or Oh with princess sock head up north. Maybe he'll do it both sides of the of the aisle but So it but I think it's in general. It's sorry Yeah, yeah, might be the case. I'll tunnel but So I think the soft landing trump was the hope for the soft landing the hope for the soft landing is I mean brexit was another hope for soft landing that brexit could be used sounds like I'm describing a woman It's just that's england with borders England woman these days would be like this Anyway So this the soft landing thing is is is a goal, but it's who knows right but So the the purpose of philosophy is in this case is not To prevent the crash, which I don't think it can't do I can't do it's just been too many unfunded liability It's too big, right? But what it can do and what matters is it doesn't I mean if you're going to crash it really matters which way you bounce Right that that's where philosophy matters, right? So if you crash Right the Totalitarians love to explode a crisis because everyone's panicked and freaked out and looks for the strong man or the strong woman or whatever strong man let's face it and If you bounce towards totalitarianism Right, which is what happened. Why am I republic and so on or or right of what happened with the sarist in russia And what happened in the Khmer russian in china and so on right you bounce to totalitarianism you get 100 million debt well more now because like it's the whole world But if you bounce to freedom if you bounce to smaller government if you bounce to free markets because it's it matters what you think caused it, right? So if people say well free markets have failed So we have to bounce towards price controls government controls fascism communism government control of the economy Then you go venezuela, right and then you go kimi arouge. Sorry They're winning that dialogue now by having all these crazy democrats running. They're just trying to make you used to it Well, I don't know that they're winning because the crazy democrats running I think is helping All no all they're hoping to do look they don't care about the election because all they're hoping to do Is keep the democrat demographic replacement going to the point where no republic can ever can ever be elected again Right that that's the goal right that just all they need to do is they're winning with the demographic Stuff is is happening, right? I mean 70 percent of hispanics are gonna vote for the left black community's gonna vote for the left So they're getting all of those people then muslims vote heavily left So they get all the people come in to vote for the left And so but I think the people are freaked out by these crazy democrats and they're like holy shit This is what we have in our society Oh my god You know if there's you know that terrifying meme that keeps you up at night sometimes like if you only you knew how bad things really were Like we had the the democrats had kind of like a A cover right like I mean so joe biden is like this doddering corrupt oligarch who like you know rates ukraine for fun and profit, right but He's like presentable-ish right obama, you know very smooth charismatic presentable guy and all that But I mean this new crop. I mean straight up nuts. That's straight up screaming nuts, right? And you know like like AOC with her 94 billion So I can't even say without loving 94 billion dollar a green new deal and a trillion 94 trillion dollars, right? I mean the the american economy is only 15 trillion dollars. I mean come on. I mean this is It's it's lunatic, but at least she's dispelling the notion that women are bad at math Um Or or andrew there's another right andrew young oh asians are really great at math. It's like a thousand bucks a month come on So I think it may help that way. So it matters which way we bounce, you know, if you diagnose wrong Things get worse if you diagnose right things get better, right? and so You know if you got some beloved uncle who dies of lung cancer and then people believe that if only he'd smoked more Everything would be fine. Well, you can't prevent him from dying, but you can prevent the message from spreading, right? So if people say well now it was a smoke in the kiln so let's not smoke It's the lack of freedoms that are killing us, right? So government control of everything a third of americans need a license to even have a damn job. It's crazy, right? I mean the massive amounts of student debt and Well, I mean trump has been repealing a lot of regulations too and that's kind of soft benefit That's hard to track, but it's incredible in its effects on the economy, right? So it matters which way we bounce and if you talk about repeatedly talk about it's compulsion that has failed not freedom It's coercion that has failed not markets Right, it's the lash that has failed not the liberties And it's a further that america has drifted from its founding principles of small government and free markets That is the cause of the failure because if they diagnose it wrong You just add bodies and if you diagnose it right you can say to everything Like how many hundred million people more need to die before we break that out? Not even anybody that though, that was it No one even though it was a marriage or most of america was on the way It goes on the internet now Hold up, hold up. I had to go to pee bay and find a used coffee or JD on when it's on sex and culture Where he talks about that because we can't find it on amazon, we can't find it anywhere else Like a lot of this stuff like you know pump out that it's down on amazon It's probably something right so spoiler But like that's to your point at both of your points really the information is out there But if you don't know how to find it, it's essentially gone Well and and the media because it's so heavily infested but leftist the media has created this infinite bogeyman of Incipient Nazism, right the nazis are everywhere, right? It's nothing. It's like maybe 2000 genuine nazis in america right and that they're you know bucktooth neckbeards in the middle of nowhere, right? But they're trotted out right all right there are tens of thousands of marxists teaching in american universities Right which tells you who won the fucking cold war Or who won the second world war frankly wasn't america was russia and The fact that they focus on irrelevant nazis rather than the prevalent Marxists who are indoctrinating the young and lying to the young about the value of this education and putting the young into debt and blah blah blah Right so then the young people come out hating capitalism hating bosses heavily in debt and feeling like indentured servitudes Indentured serfs which they kind of are So then and i could when i was hiring people like back when i ran a software company I was chief technical officer hide people all the time you could tell the leftist because they came in and they were like I guess i could be a wage slave for a little while You know Whatever you know, but it's the attitude right no it's it's the attitude, you know like they just they didn't like being there It's like you know it's like taking a seven-year-old kid to the dentist right they'll go But you know they don't want to be there You know they would like to get out as quickly as possible and hopefully there's a chest of toys on the way out right So you could tell with the people who were like free market guys They were like man i want to come in i want to get my skills up I want to be mentored and i had these guys who would come with me on sales tours and so on and And learn how to talk to clients and negotiate contracts. They love that stuff right whereas the socialists were like i shouldn't have to do any of this Like socialist unicorns should be shitting my manner from the skies. I should just have to do this For all the food i need right because it's not not in reality so they the kids come out of school and because They're shitty employees They get shitty managers because good managers don't want to work for shitty employees right because everyone's like Oh, my first boss was terrible. Well, of course he was terrible Because the good bosses get moved up to more complicated things right So yeah, they end up with this resentment. They never break out of it And then they say well, you can't get ahead in the free market. It's like well because you hate it, you know You know, it's like, uh, I hate red-headed people. You know red-headed people never seem to like me What's that old saying like if you eat if you meet an asshole in the morning You probably just met an asshole in the morning, but if you meet assholes all day, it's you You're the asshole Yeah, go ahead you mentioned the biomarker republic and you kind of see any parallels about the way things are right now With just anything goes and blah blah blah and the Fed is just printing money like crazy like yeah, so there's yeah It's a complicated topic so Europe european history Arrows out of scarcity and cold and this is even more true for east asian history Like what used to be called the orientals until they wanted to blend indians in wouldn't muslims in with it so In in Siberia for instance, like you know the winters are unbelievably brutal Which is where the the japanese and the chinese came from right the the whites had to deal with northern europe and so on And western europe again very very cold so you got to plan ahead right scarcity is is a huge issue And so basically the people who didn't plan ahead Didn't make it right because you got to be pretty cold-hearted when you've only got enough food for your own family and it's Four months till spring and your neighbor comes over and says man my kids are hungry and you're like Like i'm sorry man. I got a lot of compassion But you know if i got to choose between your kids and my kids like sorry, it's just the way it is right so We grew up and it's sorry to include the way you're like, you know, we're all white europeans or whatever But in general we the white europeans grew up with um the scarcity problem right and so Hording resources not getting into debt and and you know not spending and and all of that It's kind of like the Protestant work ethic this kind of stuff right now in the tropics a very different matter right in the tropics There are two things that you can't do a huge amount about right so the first is Disease right because in cold climates right the the viruses all die off in the winter and you don't have as many viruses But in the tropics you don't right so but you can't do anything about it right now you can but you know Back in sort of evolutionary days you you couldn't and then there's like war and predation Which you can't do a huge amount about winter you can do something about right You can stock and plan and build your get your firewood and your house and all that so We have A culture based on scarcity combined with a monetary system based on infinite resources right debt money printing money creation Now that's weird Because our culture is we got to be careful because we're going to run out of shit But we've got this tax and spend and create money stuff that creates a sense of weird infinite tropical abundance in a scarcity culture And it's weird and it's it's it's unhealthy for everyone in the long run because nothing's infinite everything is limited All resources are finite all human desires are infinite, but all resources are finite so when you get Fiat currency when you get money printing It begins to dissolve our sense of reality Like and this sounds like very abstract, but it's very real because you see after money printing came in right? It was basically the first world war for so why I said earlier was a huge disaster the first world war brought money printing and Central banking and fiat currency into the west right before that you had to have gold to have money And you can't just snap gold into existence you got to go mine for that shit right? So you get all of this infinite money and then after that you start to get this Amen reality isn't real the logic is just a a white privileged concept And and there's no such thing as truth and it's like but you can only afford that stuff when you can print money Because then you have this sense of infinite resources and then the weird thing happens So let's say you know we're in some I don't know some tropical paradise. I don't know where some Tropical paradise. It's not as lonely as Hawaii. Just like a really nothing for thousands of miles, right? So I don't know Tahiti or something like that I see in Tahiti right Tahiti is like food's falling off the trees fish are jumping into your nets and stuff like that Right, so let's say you and I are friends right and you hurt your leg right and you're like hey man I got fish. Can you go get me some fish right? I could just go pick me up that banana and I say no It's like worst friend ever right Right, so because it's like it's right here. It's right here So if I don't give you something when you're in need and everything's plentiful, I'm an asshole, right? But that's not how it is in a cold climate Right as we talked before if you come and you say hey, I grasshoppered my summer away playing Van Morrison songs on my ukulele, right? While you were out there, you know busting your ass getting crops and firewood and shit, right? And you come to me and say give me food out of your children's mouths. I'm like Then I mean to my children if I say yes to you so tropicality like the abundance of resources if you say no to someone You're an asshole But in a scarcity culture In a cold winter culture you have to say no to people So when you've got fiat currency and and magic money And someone comes and says well, you know, I think we should spend money on the poor children, right? Well, that's like bananas lying everywhere. There's a child hungry. Can you just hand that child a banana? No, right? Well, the only reason you do that is you hate the child, right? Or you want the child to die Or you're a psycho you're mean or something like that, right? So The Massive spigot of fake money is dissolving our sense of reality and it's turning everything into an emotional argument Well, why would you say no? Why would you why wouldn't you want to give health care to everyone for free? They're bananas everywhere Well, I mean maybe you can put some you need medicine up your ass you can use a banana, right? But for the most part it's not going to be hugely helpful, right? So when scarcity culture catches up with the illusion of infinite money Oh Right, but right now Free health care for everyone and you say no well because there's this weird perception that the resources are infinite Why would you say no you must hate poor people or you must hate sick people or whatever, right? Why would you leave Syria? What do you mean? Why would you leave Syria because you know the Kurds are our greatest techno Oh, yeah. Yeah, sorry. I saw you say I thought you meant personally like why would you leave Syria? We're in Orlando Yeah, yeah, well, yeah, so so human yeah resources are infinite. So why wouldn't you want to fight every? You know sand cake local tribal conflict in the middle of a desert everywhere resources are infinite Yeah, yeah It's very easy my opinion for people to say hey, yeah, we should stay in Syria Yeah, fuck it. Let's just go here and like I gotta go there like are we doing this for real, right? So the other thing too, I noticed that extrapolates in this kind of get the banana thing Jose's legs broken. He asked hey, can you give me banana? Hey, sure point to me get the fucking banana Now you feel like a good person, but I'm the one doing the work I think that's another we have a title we have a title for the conversation get the fucking banana No, okay, so and that's look you're that's very serious shit for you, right Now the other thing which is kind of real too is oh, do you want you want people to stay in Syria? Okay You need to write a check Right because it doesn't cost anyone to have these opinions is free Right. Have you seen this this video? It's really wild. I think it's in sweden So a guy comes up on the street to swedish people white people and says, uh, do you think that we should be taking more refugees? Yes, of course. I'm a good person. I virtue signal and it cost me nothing, right? So then what does he say? He says, oh great. Just wait here, Muhammad Come here. This person is is going to be happy to put you up in their home Because should and then what happens? See no, but that's that's infinite resources versus scarcity culture Right, the infinite resources is sure in the abstract when I like it's like the war on drugs, right? You want drugs to be banned? Oh, it's going to cost you this much. Oh, maybe I can be tolerant, right? Oh, whatever, right? So The Weimar thing there's lots of philosophical ramifications But if you stick to recent evidence and scarcity when people are perception people's perceptions are that everything is infinite You're viewed as a jerk and an asshole Why would you say no? To free health care for everyone Well, we know that but it but it seems free. No because listen, they're going to sign that bill Amnesty or free health care and no one's going to get a bill immediately Right, it's going to be debt It's going to be down the road the next generation who knows or maybe the taxes going to go up Or maybe someone loses their job like the Obamacare thing, right? You got to provide all this healthcare to people unless they work 30 hours a week. Okay We'll just make everyone part-time, right? It's easy, right? So then people go from full-time down to part-time But they don't they don't connect that, right? This is the whole problem of the scene versus the unseen, right? taxes go way up And maybe you would have gotten a job if they hadn't gone up But because that job never gets created you'd even know what you're missing, right? So that's why you got to go on principle. So the Weimar thing where you know Black is white, up is down, men are boys, boys are girls, women can have Erections and men can have babies and all that like all of this is founded upon fiat currency Right, so as far as transgender bathrooms go People can put in transgender bathrooms if they want to spend $50,000 to retrofit their restaurant But if you're not signing the check, it's just easy like to me when somebody doesn't have a personal stake I don't care what they say I don't I don't like it's just noise to me like okay like you you can have an opinion on syria Listen to your opinion on syria, right? but people who are just like yeah, we should stay there because Like they don't know what the hell's going on with the Kurds. Come on. I don't you know like they could be decent guys They could be bad guys. I don't know and the good news is I'll never know because nobody's gonna tell me the truth Because everyone's too vested in it, right? The military industrial complex wants to make money Maybe israel wants to take out an enemy. Maybe the Turks are bribing someone or maybe they're threatening to unleash They're a wonderful economic migrants on europe if they don't get like nobody's telling the truth about any of this stuff It's all propaganda. I'm not there. I don't speak the language. I don't know the history and I don't care to learn So that's why you haven't seen a whole bunch of videos from me on syria Like I just assume everyone's lying So the weimar thing is is kind of and you see the effects of infinite resources on the corruption of rationality and limitation Sorry, you were first Medicaid and At that point I had great risk in my job. I said, okay, so exactly what tax rate are you willing to pay to make that happen? You've got four kids. I know you've got four kids. How much food are you willing to take out of their mouths to make that happen? And then I got just spluttering nonsense in response Which is the only response because the whole underlying principle is nonsense. Do you know what the subtext was or the captions? Get the fucking banana No, and that's but that's real, right? I mean so she can say that like who would say no because she's got the mindset of infinite resources Right and listen, I mean for for it's magical thinking and listen For for the evolution of women That kind of makes sense, right because they're not out there wrestling with the wolves to rip off its leg to bring home for dinner Right, I mean they're they're doing some gardening, which is nice. You know, we need some veggies Need some some fruit and all that and and you know, but they're not out there trying to take down a An elephant with A mascara applicor or whatever right so So no, that's fine. So so the women are like, hey just get me more resources, right? And then they they withhold sex or they nag or whatever it's basically like the young women withhold sex and then the older women Nag that's the difference between Right that's you know and this kind of like it's so one is a positive reinforcement You get sex and the other is I'll start nagging you if you do what I want now My wife accepted lots of women accepted but that's a bit of a pattern Yeah, yeah, so children will whine and nag until they get what they want and listen women are are smaller. They're weaker I think that that's implicit like we don't need to add that I don't think anyone made that connection and the fact that you did well, we'll talk after um No, but but this is why this is why women tend to go a little bit more left because they're used to just Saying what they want and men run around to To give it to them right because because we want to reproduce and we want to have you know Comfort and sex and companionship and all of that so so for women to say I want and then expect the world to provide I mean, I completely understand it. I don't consider it a fault one thing I didn't talk about in my speech today Is I know that there's negative views of women can kind of float through the the nanosphere here a little bit Not here necessarily but there is that stuff. I'm not just talking about the big towel guys All right But to me the way to look at femininity in the modern world is not it's understand. It's not femininity in the same way that In the soviet union like full on soviet union like starlin not even khrushchev like starlin nine early 1950s or whatever Right, there's some factory out there supposed to be making some shit, right? And you know the old saying in russia they pretend to pay us we pretend to work Right, so there's no incentive right the incentives are completely screwed up Right, like if you run a restaurant under Stalin you get paid where the customers show up or not So customers earn annoyance Seriously, like you're sitting there playing cards with your fellow waiters and some customer walks in and you're like, ah shit I had a good hand man This exact same stuff from my parents because they came from the former Soviet Union Yeah, yeah So do we look at the waiters in a communist restaurant and say those lazy bastards? No They're simply rationally responding to the incentives in their environment Now women current women did not create the system that we live under They're not responsible for neither are we right? So women we say, oh, well, they're cold or unempathetic or they divorce on the But that's like calling the soviet workers lazy. They're not lazy. They're rationally responding to the Custom benefits incentives around human beings respond to incentive foundational principle of economics, right? So women are not cold or lazy or what just rationally responding To the incentives around them and you could say, ah, yes, but we should they should have higher ideals And it's like but yeah, that's like saying well the waiters in a soviet restaurant should just be working hard and providing good service It's like, yeah, well But they don't Why and you know would you I mean? Like if you're running a restaurant and it's your ass on the line and it's your credit That's running the damn thing if a customer comes in you're like, thank you. Thank you. Thank you, right? I remember I got my first donation. I'm full page ring mail, you know, so So it's not that women are like this not it's like saying that this the soul of the of the russian and and that this person is somehow In the communist environment, it's like no the environment is weird The environment is is coercive and destructive, right? Or it's like If you've ever talked to your parents, maybe if you talk to people who come from totalitarian regimes They're not very comfortable with disagreement. They're not very comfortable voicing their thoughts and ideas because they grow up in this mindset of like You shut up Because you say one thing wrong and you're a sultry needs into a gulag for 10 years, right? And it's like saying, you know, those those people from eastern europe they're kind of shy and jumpy. It's like no, they're not That's not the soul or essence of who they are. That's the environment They grew up in and the incentives that they're responding to It's the same thing with women and men in the modern world. Yeah, it's gotten weird and distorted But it's not the fault of women and it's it's they're not bad. They're not like they're just responding to I can't do I just can't go and call people in a common. Oh lazy I mean they they they they drink at work. It's like getting a boring how it is. Yeah work retail when it's not busy Oh my god, I worked in a hardware store when I was in my teens and sometimes it was so slow Like a customer would walk in and you just need to get swarmed It's like, please god, let me cut a key for you or something because like I'll make some pain even if you don't need it I'll cut glass whatever you need zoro style, you know, it's just anything because it's so boring and and Masculinity and femininity it's it's just it's a weird system, you know, the divorce laws are all weird The alimony child support laws are all weird. It's all terrible and The rot of the cultural Marxists who set gender against gender just as they set race against race is is in there and We got to have compassion. I think in sympathy, you know, I sympathize with the workers in the soviet union back then I mean, wouldn't you they got nothing to strive for they can't ever become wealthy. They're told what to do They're told where to work. It's a horrible life When you screw up the incentives for people have sympathy For those people because they're getting all the wrong signals, you know, there's an old montipython skit about some hungarian phrase book Where the it's all screwed up, right? So the in hungarian it says What is the way to the train station? And the way that they phonetically spell it out in english is please fundle my buttocks And it's it's funny, right? It's funny, right? Like but that's that's where it is. We've got this weird translation right now I have I have great sympathy for women. It's it's a horrible System that they're under where they're lied to their misdirected their pander to their praised And the true horrors of the sort of post 40 lonely life are explicitly hidden from them So you get all the wrong incentives all the wrong and it's everywhere We don't see it as much because we're out of that bubble, but in that bubble. That's like gravity So, you know have have sympathy for the conditioned, you know there, but for the grace of whatever go you and I right? Sorry Another question quali. Yes How do we sort of corrupt the education system? The education system is completely just everything we believe and we can't overthrow it But one of the things I've been thinking about because I'm a lawyer by background is how do we Essentially, oh, I retract what I said about Joe Biden How do we manipulate the title line system in American colleges to turn it against itself? Because it's actually written in a gender in a sex neutral way So, I mean there's nothing stopping men from complaining that feminist create the unsafe learning environment Well, it's like the the drunk consent laws Or the drunk consent directives, right that you cannot consent to sex if you're drunk Which applies equally to men as it does to women Well, um Do you ever see this you're you're not a young young totally young guy, right? So do you ever see this an old Matthew Broderick movie called war games? You ever see that you guys seen that movie? All right So basically the the story is that the computers take over. Sorry. It's an old movie So the computers take over nuclear war and then there's an accident where the computers start attacking each other But they're simulating it to see and then they find out that you can't win that game because everyone gets destroyed It's called mutually assured destruction, right? So, uh, so basically when uh, you get a well for a state You get too many unproductive people too many people who can't function in a modern economy And then what governments do is they say, oh, we got too many people Well, we're going to go to war and we're going to filter out the smart people And we're going to use the dumb people's cannon fodder get them all killed and we'll reset the system That's the way it works And that's why you get deferments for college and that's why if you Perform well on your arm services test, they're not going to put you on the front lines They're going to put you in some place nice and safe where you can do your thing without getting killed, right? Now because of nuclear war you can't have international wars where you can kill off your excess population So that's why they're importing civil war in terms of migration so that that's how it's going to work It's really tragic, but I guess it's what they call progress. This is no longer international wars It's now civil wars that they're promoting But um, so in that movie, there's a long roundabout way to your point But in that movie, uh, the big statement is about nuclear war funny game the only way to win is Not to play Don't send your kids to college unless they absolutely have to for some professional designation I got to be a lawyer doctor or whatever for god's sakes. Don't send them there for arts like they are Marxist indoctrination camps it will wreck your kids Like it is it is an environmental toxin especially if they're white and especially if they're male Because they will Either speak their mind in which case they're going to get singled out for social destruction Or they'll shut the hell up in which case they'll be humiliated for four years and pay to do it Uh, don't do it We've got help them. Yeah. Yeah for sure Then then you've got a real mess because then once your kids are I mean you've probably seen those things on the internet Like the girls before and after college You know, it's like early katie perry versus that whatever white women can't be attractive. Shit. They got going on now So, yeah, it's uh, don't do it It's kind of talking about what you were talking about I've dropped out of college by a year Uh, my dad's a professor. What were you taking? Uh, what was I taking? I was going to do business, but I didn't see my point because I just wanted to get into sales I didn't see oh, yeah, you don't yeah. Yeah just need experience for sales. Yeah, yeah, exactly and um Uh, my dad was actually a professor in college political science So he grew up going to college in the 60s and 70s So he was really indoctrinated in the whole marxist egalitarian Those that was, you know college then and still is now Um, so eventually I came to that and I ended up jumping out. Yeah And I wanted a major in philosophy actually But it was rumored for me in college philosophy is really rough these days It used to be pretty good like the terms of IQ physics was the highest philosophy was second But now philosophy has become anti philosophy in the same way gender studies is Destroying the concept of gender right it's all completely inverted Yeah, and kind of what you were talking about before the rise and fall of nations um I think will dirant said it best when he said, um Nations are born stoic and die epicurean I feel like we're in a very epicurean time in the sense where we've gotten really comfortable Only because of the state The state is the key the state we can survive plenty if we don't have the state Because what happens with the state you get excess resources, right? So when everyone's poor Everyone's poor, right? Like I mean the king of france lived in shit like the rest of them, right? He just had shit with wallpaper, right? and When you get excess wealth you get a divergence, right? Some people become free market If some people become wealthy some people don't for various reasons some of which are Controlled and some of which are beyond their control. So when you get that wealth disparity The natural inclination is for people to say well, that's bad, right? It's bad But that's not bad. I mean think of the music industry You want the disparity of people who are successful musicians from people who aren't Because if you go to karaoke night I like it But it's not necessarily the case that everyone likes that I like it, right? So so you you want that disparity, right? In the modeling industry you want that disparity You want the pretty people modeling the clothes and the less pretty people not, right? So you want that disparity that's that's what success is, right? There's a disparity, right? Well and the communism I know communism then you get political disparity right and political power So so what happens is is you if you don't have a state Then rich people end up having more kids and poor people end up having fewer kids And we know this very clearly from the example of the Ashkenazi Jews in Europe for 700 years They can tell this from the lineage because one of the things that's amazing about Judaism is to be a rabbi I mean you got to be pretty you're gonna four languages. You got to know the Torah like it's really complicated stuff and they could see very clearly the rabbis had the smartest rabbis had the most babies And the poorest Jews had the fewest babies because no welfare state It's charity. You don't want people to starve to death and all that but What's happened with the state is it's inverted, right? So then you tax the smart people And you give welfare to the less smart people on average, right? Right, and there's lots of exceptions, but it's big general trend And so what that's just genics, right? Just genics is you genics is bad. It's a government program Just genics is bad. It's a government program, right? And so what happens is you end up with this vast excess of of poor people Then you then have to keep paying them to have more babies because if you stop They're gonna riot and revolt and they'll vote you doubt and all that kind of stuff, right? And this is the bull by the horns now in a free society. What am I ideal a stateless society? You don't have that situation coming into being people get wealthy And they can help people out charitably people won't starve We know that because when taxes go down charitable donations go up every single time throughout human history We'd like to help people we are a helping kind of species But in a stateless society you can survive that But in the government in order to for people to believe that the government is providing value It has to create money You understand it's like the it's like if we're all ordering pizza is four of us 20 bucks Right and and everyone has five bucks and one guy has a counterfeit five bucks Well, it seems like he's paying five bucks, isn't it, but he's not Right. He's actually reducing the value of everyone else's money, right? So the government in order to pretend that it's providing value to society needs to borrow needs to print money And therefore it needs to control interest rates so that the effect of its borrowing and printing don't show up as inflation So the government Has to take control of the money supply and create massive debt and unfunded liabilities to give the illusion that It's providing value to the economy. That's why when people say The government will pay for this free free medicare right all this kind of stuff, right now That process corrupts the money supply and causes there to be more poor people Right, you probably know this that under medicare in a lot of instances the health outcomes for people on medicare is worse than people not on medicare Right, and a fair part of that is because Medicaid at the state level medicare at the federal level reimburse the rates of our garbage So doctors leave the system because who's going to go get $300,000 of debt to come out and do a $2 million surgery And get 10 grand for it. Well, and and that's the thing too, right? So This public choice theory is like if there's one thing you want to get across to people It's helping them understand this That if you give money to poor like as I say you only have 2% poor people in your society You know the old pictures this guy in a cardboard shack and there's a big multi-rise building behind him People how could this be right just take a little bit of money from these super rich people just give it to these poor people We're done, right? But doesn't work like that because people's behavior changes when you change the incentives, right? So you got 2% poor people you pay them to be poor. Well, you're buying poor people supply and demand There'll be more poor people you some woman says oh, I've got a child that a wedlock. I need money Okay, give her the money if she solved her problem, then we will like more. I don't need to get married I could just have boyfriends and get money from the states and all that right So you change people's behavior when you change their incentives So with with free government health care a lot of times health outcomes get worse because people are like If I get diabetes I'll just get my insulin shots It'll be taking like as opposed to like if you've got health insurance and you start to become pre-diabetic They're like, okay Your insurance premiums are going to triple if you don't deal with this in the next six months and people like oh shit, right? So free stuff generally corrupts everything because there is no such thing as free it corrupts our mentality as a whole So yes, sir Let's open that up. What do you guys think by print books hand them out by print books hand them out old school, right Like if we talk about That's second dark age. What is this coming dark? Well, I mean It's not going to be the fall of rome, right? I mean, we've got a lot of knowledge and we've got a lot of technology and We're not going to lose the capacity to generate electricity. I mean, even if it's solar or wind or something like that So it's not going to be I don't think it's going to be as bad as like the fall of rome Where it was like massive de-population and so on but yeah, it's going to be rough and not everyone's going to make it across the canyon But yeah, as far as how we preserve it. I don't have any particularly good answers Because I mean print is certainly going to work for sure Anything electronic It's it's hard to say, right depends on the prevalence of electricity and that's kind of my area of expertise Go for it. I'm not myself anymore, but uh The your technology won't last even on the right built editions. It's it's got a lifespan anything that has electricity running through It's inherently going to be a little bit at risk for that But print stuff will literally last thousands of years. We're just over the desk use goals, right? So that's that's why I say print books and hand them out because uh, one that's not traceable, right? Yeah, they know I bought a shit ton of Say if you wrote a book or whatever I know we have if I had x-book, right x-book is getting my hands on now Right, but they don't know who I get that too, right? That with books in the past you email a pdf and that's right. Yeah, that's that's not the list, but they don't know who I physically give it to And in the last doesn't need batteries, you know, it's not gonna corrupt. There's no android operating system glitch things like that Can't be hacked and changed remotely. Yeah Which one is yeah, so I've got look I've got a bunch of books you should check them out there Except for one they're they're all free. You can also get them on youtube. You can get them on podcast If you want to listen to them, I do the audiobook readings and they're really good. So Yes so We all know what's going on More than we knew uh 90 minutes ago Is it really only 90? Oh my god you know it gets uh Depressing to amodally to to look to have your eyes open to look at all this stuff to feel powerless like you're saying I don't Think you're really wrong. You know the train is so far down the tracks What can we do? You're saying, you know, I hear people offering, uh, you know some glimmers of hope Yeah, my answer to this is look We know we know what happens if we don't do anything Right, we know what happens if we don't do anything because we're the ones who have to keep the flame Like we are the ones who know we are For want of a better phrase the high priests of our historical achievements So we know what happens if we don't do anything now. Do we know what happens if we do stuff? No But it's got a chance So we have to talk See, you never know. This is the funny thing, right? You never know like you could take a handful of seeds and you could hurl them out of an airplane, right? Most of them are just going to fall on a parking lot or like in a sewer or something But that one could land on just the right spot with just the right light. You never know Who you're going to inspire who's going to have incredible resources Incredible charisma who knows right? It could be some kid of a rich person It could be someone who just has such astounding talent for communication That they're just going to blow the world away, right? So you never know and it may not be someone you talk to directly You may drop a seed but someone they drop you don't know who's out there who can do amazing stuff And and can enlighten the world, right? I mean, I'm not putting myself in that specific category, but you know like I The drummer for rush was a big fan of vine ran a friend of mine like rush Although I was more of a pink floyd guy myself because I came from a bad household, but So like I start reading that stuff. It moves me on to other stuff. I start with self knowledge I do therapy like just one little one little guy pounding skins on a concert hall like inspires someone who inspires me And now I got 650 million views and downloads is you know, it's having an effect Now if I hadn't to here's the thing too. Can you live with yourself if you don't do anything? Ah It's tough, man Yeah, yeah, it's scary it is scary Even bothered fighting this fight or should I just fly into the radar say everything's fucked But here's the thing right what what do your enemies want you to do just do the opposite No, this is a big guidance thing, right? What do your enemies want you to other kind of enemies want you to shut up and fold up, right? For sure. They're they're unopposed, right? So like when I pick topics Literally, it's like what will drive the leftists and the marxists and the collectivists and the tyrants most crazy Oh, you don't want to talk about race and IQ That's the worst thing for you. Oh boy, you know that to me. So that's my navigation now That's my my gig right to is to do that and that's what I'm paid for by kind donors, right? So don't live under a bridge But if your enemies want you to roll up and die intellectually You can do it. Just know that you're serving them. So let me ask you this Are you afraid Yes, what you're doing. Yeah. Yeah, listen, I mean I was on vacation And I got an email from I think it was kevin roose at the new york times, right? Now I'm old enough that the new york times. It's not such a big deal now, but The paper of record I could say big deal, right? And you know, when you I've never had a fair interview from the mainstream media outside of hong kong and poland, right? so When I got that email I'm on vacation and I'm like, oh Well, that's not going to be good, right now I've been through enough of these that I know it's not catastrophic or anything like that But I'm sitting there going okay, but he wants to have a conversation with me So here's the problem if I go and have a conversation with him He's going to cherry pick he's going to stitch things together And I don't know about him particularly but a lot of times people will just lie about what I said, right? And you can't I mean in america the free speech has gotten a little too far to the point where you just say anything about anyone, right? So I and I have to sort of sit and think of this over and I call some friends and I should I do it Should I talk to him should I not and I ended up doing like I did a show specifically addressing those issues and You know didn't send in the link and all of that now that's not something I want to think about on my vacation, right? This is a complicated. It's a kind of complicated dance, right? I'm going to write about you anyway So you might as well have some say but if you go to them directly Um, you know, he's a lot more experienced at interviewing people He wants to write badly about than I am being interviewed It's like the oh, I'm going to go in and take on those cops because you know, I'm smart It's like they got a lot more experience than you do, right? So there are times for sure when I have been nervous and there are times when I've been scared for sure and I don't really know what to say other than it would be crazy not to be And that's why we need the virtue of courage Right. Why do you need the virtue of discipline? Because you don't want to do things sometimes, right? You don't want to work out You don't want to eat well, you know, I was at the buffet today And I like to face plant in a cheesecake and chew my way through three floors, right? It'd be great But I'm over 50. I can't hit you, right? So So you need the virtue of courage because sometimes you're scared, right? And it would be great like the people who don't feel fear Hey, not healthy, right? That is not is not a healthy thing to not feel fear As a human being that's that's an indication of sociopathy or something like that, right? So, of course, you're scared, right? I mean that that's isn't that the army thing, right? Feel the fear do it anyway, right? If you don't feel the fear, you're not going to last very long And if you surrender to the fear, you can't get anything done So, I mean the fear is is going to happen and you also have to taste the successes, right? You know, like you climb a mountain like One step one step, right? And each step is a victory if it's an asshole of a mountain like Everest or something, right? Each step is a victory. So here's the thing. We I think we set our victory standards so high that we're never happy You know for me, I could say well until no parent hits their kids and there's no fiat currency in the Okay, well Welcome to a life of like never getting any satisfaction at all, right? Whereas for me, it's like oh, I'm being suppressed But I'm gonna now gonna do these other things and I'm gonna see if I can keep things going. Okay. Good But that's a big sometimes dodging a bullet is the same as landing a hit, right? Because you live to fight another day, right? So have in your life. Do you have one successful conversation with someone this week where they that's a that's a big victory That's a big victory. Look at the patience of the people who decided to start infiltrating the institutions a hundred years ago That's very patient people man. They they took and for a long time It's like oh man, this is not going well, you know capitalism is doing really well And that's why the communists hate the 50s so much because it was very successful for america, right? so We have to have that level of incrementalism patience and happiness at What seemed like small victories, but you know if we're all out there Having small victories. That's one hell of a big victory. So that's my thought on that Anyone else last question or two? Yes, sir You know The feeling of powerlessness and what what can't you do but the flip side of that coin In herring valley, the universe all that. Well, what can you do? Like for example, if you believe that i'm sure most others do that, you know A couple hundred trillion dollars in unfunded liability is not sustainable I mean you'll figure right mathematics eight point of the universe So if you believe that then what can you do to for example prepare yourself and your family for a time when Taking to its logical conclusion, you know, it is the bottom of the public It's wheelbarrows of cash went by a loaf of bread So, you know, whether it's obtaining knowledge and skills for yourself that will Enable you to feed yourself have a community. Yeah And I meant that that goes sideways Even all you start with is yourself and your family and then you do the work of making connections and networking and finding other Like finding people here or you know, and or close to where you live It's it's again, it's those it's the small victories. It's the incrementalism, but the The blessing of knowledge. It is also the curse That's the same we do nothing at all with it because You know folks don't know anything When the train crashes and the tragedy happens, you know, they're gonna be like, wow, I've never saw this coming How are you gonna feel? How am I gonna feel? How are the rest of us gonna feel if we look at it and say Damn, I saw this coming. I didn't do shit And even if you don't think anything about yourself or even willing to allow the people you love your family If you're close to friends to suffer and not even have to shop at some of it There's I mean, there's a dark thought that I have sometimes Which is that I strive to overcome pity in other words I tell people as much as humanly possible. So if they don't listen, I don't have to feel bad You don't know what I mean Like this is a serious thing like if if some guy's smoking like crazy and you say you don't say anything Okay, he dies of cancer. You feel kind of bad, right? But if you spent like A long time saying man, stop smoking. I'm begging you. Here's a picture of some lung. You know, here's a picture of Bernie Sanders conscience. It's the same thing, right? So So but if if you've striven like crazy to help people and they have rejected and scorned and attacked This is a bit of a Jesus thing, right? So that you know, not to put myself in in billion miles of that category but if you've done everything you can to really help people and they have You know kind of scorned you and and sided with your enemies and so on then like when disaster strikes, it's like you know I don't want to have regret That's really really important. I've I've seen you, you know the older people in this room Like we've seen people who have regret, right? Like significant regret the one that got away the job opportunity that was never pursued the The you know the divorce that happened because the guy or the woman didn't work on it and the loan Like we know people who have massive regrets and to to live a life without regret is a very important thing And if the shit hits the fan, which it will if you've done everything you can to wake people up and they've refused to wake up You know at some point you got to jump out of the plane Even if people are going down, you know, and you got a this even if there are enough parachutes for everyone You say the plane's going down if people want to sit in their seats and You know like you've got to get out and and if you've tried Not having that regret I think is really important because we're going to have to be cold-hearted at some point because resources are going to run out All right Well, why don't you guys take a short break before the next one? Thank you so much. That was a really really great afternoon Thank you George Bruno with the 21 report We're at the 21 convention the final event of the decade and i'm having a conversation with stefan molinou. Welcome Thanks so much. Nice to be here. Yeah What a talk you gave What a response. I will let you be the judge of that. I mean I enjoyed it I actually went through two other speeches and then last night. I'm like Not feeling it and I like what I really want to say Well, you know because on twitter I engage in these battles so to speak where basic facts arouse Crazy responses and I thought okay. Well, what is it that I'd really like to say? Given that this is going to be sort of a permanent record I think interesting to the audience and stuff I'd like to say to women So I worked on it like till late last night. It got up early this morning worked on it some more Because you know you want it to look effortless, but there's a lot of preparation to make it look that way What was interesting was the The whole concept of when you know what the magic is It's no longer magic When you look behind the magic right I want Women to achieve real power which in philosophical terms is you know reason evidence wisdom virtue Like that's real power. Yeah looking pretty like I mean looks are important I mean, I'm not showing up here in a potato sack with like a coat hanger sticking out of my ear or something Right, so, you know appearance is important knowing your audience is important being presentable is important But it's really the wrapping to the gift which is supposed to be sort of wisdom and virtue and all that so for me the more that we Allow women's power to be based upon looks and sex appeal and the simulation of sexual arousal Which is makeup and and the prominent display of butts and boobs, which is heels and all of that The less they're encouraged to pursue virtue and You know when you're a kid and particularly when you're a baby, you don't care how pretty your mom is you care How loving she is you care how reliable she is you care how dependable she is You care whether she's going to yell at you if you have colic and she's up for the third time that night You need sort of patience and and even temperateness and so on And so it's funny because I think women experience what I'm doing is taking away their power But I don't view it that way at all. I view it as taking away A bad power so to speak in order to you know get a good power You have the wallpaper you take it off so you can get something better Underneath so it feels like I'm taking something away, but I'm actually opening an opportunity for Attracting a man through qualities of character rather than You know sexual signals fleeting things. Yeah, I think civil pass and and she's the thing too. We were talking about this the other day that Women's like peak sexual market value attractiveness is only supposed to last for a couple of years And in terms of like, you know, you reach I'm talking way back in the day, right? You reach sexual maturity Within a couple of years, you're supposed to be paired off for life, right till death do us part, you know Sort of mid late teens Now so you're you're sort of Heartless only supposed to last for a couple of years year or two Maybe you got to pick a guy right a guy's got to pick you because you know, everyone's getting picked Right, you don't want to be the last lonely kid, you know being picked for the baseball team and so We talk about sort of extended male adolescents, you know, oh men or boys still until they're 30 and so on But for women to milk that sex appeal again supposed to be a short bright fuse, right? For them to milk it from like 18 to like 45 Whoo, that's a long time. It is stretch something out that's supposed to be compressed and and really focused on just a couple of years Yeah I noticed some of the most popular filters on the social media sites are these things that kind of Brighten the eyes and give the big eyelashes and the the rosy cheeks And i'm seeing women who are far past the bright eye and rosy cheek stage of life and Uh And then the duck lips, you know, and then the cat uh ears that kind of thing and And i'm seeing this prolonged adolescence. Yeah, I thought I thought it was bad with men. Yeah, yeah yeah, so It's funny because just by the by when I first heard about filters, you know, because i'm a philosopher and I actually thought they meant like Personal language filters about topics. So there's yeah, do you use filters on the internet? It's like I am unfiltered I'm like the most dangerous cigarette you can imagine, right? But now I understand that they mean the sort of snack daddy kind of stuff and it is weird because It is fundamentally deceitful, right? Because the whole purpose of us having Sexual dimorphism the whole purpose of sexual attraction and of sex itself Is to make babies, right? Why are we attracted to women because babymaking and continuation of humanity and and so on But here's the thing of course It doesn't matter If you put rouge on your lips, it doesn't matter if you get botox. It doesn't matter if you get a facelift There's no botox for the eggs, right? Right. So you you can't like the decay is no botox for the eggs for the woman's eggs Wow, there's no botox for the eggs. So what she's trying to do is give you the signals The eggs are younger than they are but they're not yeah There's no but you can get those dino eggs and you can crack out a baby later on in life You know, but it's more risky But there's no botox for eggs and that's the fundamental Deception it literally is it's much worse than a guy Renting a car to make himself look wealthier or you know, taking a picture on a friend's yacht or something. It's his or whatever, right? because youthful Signals of fertility don't alter the fact That the eggs are aging and the there's no way back from that like by the time a woman is 30 90 percent of her eggs are dead And that's the eggs the sperm and the eggs the whole reason why the whole game is played, right? It's the whole reason why we're attracted to women why they have so to me taking away this Really extended adolescence and this manipulation of men Opens up the space for women to settle down earlier to have some kids if they want them and To not milk this male attraction far beyond What it should how how it should be milked or for the length of time that it should be milked I'll tell you something a little odd little thought too I thought it's a couple of years ago. You know that there's a tradition that men make women laugh, right? Yeah now So here's the thing I can age 10 years by laughing Right, so I fairly I don't have a baby face exactly but fairly smooth skin and so on like 53, right? But you know this You know, it's like the moon, you know, like the the kalahari opens up and it laughs So I think you can see this if you make a woman laugh Who's over 40 you can really see that she's over 40 because again botox kind of a new thing But I think that one of the reasons why men Developed the ability to make women laugh was to find out how old they are Interesting because you can really see it when you make a woman laugh It she can go from like 25 to 45 like with one giggle So it's a kind of silly idea. It may not be true It probably isn't but I just thought that the men who invested in women they thought were younger had fewer chances to reproduce So you want to find out how old the eggs are And you can't do that But one way to do that is to make the woman laugh and see what kind of lines are going on Right because you lose that subcutaneous fat for women in particular Around that age. So again, it's just probably a silly idea, but it's something out I wanted to get it on permanent record, you know, like like the rosetta stone. All right, there you go It's now imprinted. I have to say it again digital is forever. That's right. That's right. Yes, the better and the worse What should or what is the best way for a man to look for a woman? The best way for a man to look for a woman is to improve his own character You know this ridiculous It's kind of a goofy movie, right? Like if you build it able to come you build the baseball and the ghosts show up and so on, right? Because I hear this from women too like we're all the good guys. Well, so first of all There's these kind of layers in society And I know this because I've tunneled up and down these layers in my like I born It's funny. I was born pretty poor I went to a fairly upscale boarding school for a little while from sort of ages six to eight I was sort of low and middle class in England. We came to Canada Just dropped, you know, mom ended up on welfare. We got a fiction notices I went right down right down really close to the bottom Not like homeless, but like three days from homeless kind of thing, right? So right down there and you see the people who are down at that level and it's really dysfunctional And and then I started to like I can't live there. Like that's horrifying, right? That's like Dante and Dostoevsky and nightmare. So I try to tunnel up So, you know, I went to school and and then I Cofounded a software company and then like I'm up there giving presentations to banks and fortune 500 companies and and selling software And and hiring people and so I'm tunneling up. We sell the company. We're listed on the stock market. It's like I'm upright and and so having done this like wild Communication between the classes and the levels and the layers You really see how many people get stuck There are people can get stuck on the higher level, but then you can always fall down for economic reasons, right? But the lower levels are really sticky now. So people like when you try to break out of that There's a lot of hostility because people Get um, they get wed to this identity of where they are and then they think oh, man It's a system that's keeping me down the system the system Now if it's a system that's keeping you down nobody should be able to go up, right? And if you're trapped in a sub you can't swim to the surface, right? So If someone tunnels up then it can't be the system alone and that kind of choices So people are they'll hang on to you. It's kind of subtle, but they'll kind of hang on to you and keep you down, right? Crabs in a bucket crabs in a bucket, right? So when I so you have to figure out where you are Not just in sexual market values. That's going to pass right where you are in terms of human quality Now I don't mean to say everyone who's rich is high quality and everyone's poor as low quality and so on But it's not a totally Unknown correlation, right? And so You have to improve your station. It doesn't mean wealth necessarily doesn't mean professional success But just in terms of quality you have to have quality people around you because When you start dating someone if they have half a brain, which you want them to have if they're going to date you They're not just going to look at you. They're going to look at your social circle You're going to get your family your opportunities your possibilities and so on And that matters and that really matters. So if you improve your improve yourself like Most people when they're young I know I did you have your dead brief friends The crabs who are gonna right keep you down the people who are going nowhere and they don't want you to go anywhere either The people who will try and seduce you into hey, man, you know, I got some joints for the weekend I've never smoked marijuana, but you know like the people who are like, let's go partying this weekend or You know, let's go have a let's go to kayuga beach up in canada and you know Just like get wasted this weekend and it's like, yeah, okay You can do that a couple of times, but it's not going to add much to your life So if you've got the deadbeat friends the loser friends the friends who are going to hold you down They're not just holding you down because any quality woman or man is going to come into that environment. Look at your friends and say You know, these are the people going to be hanging around when we have kids these people hanging around when you want to Get a promotion in your career or whatever So you surround yourself with quality people you work to improve yourself and that can be economic and that matters It can be other things to Work to elevate your conversation, you know read And and learn how to be a good conversation listen And then you'll just be moving in a different layer in society of quality And and you can't find the quality people down at the bottom and again the bottom is not just money You can have rich people down at the bottom too, right when you think of the rich drug addicts or whatever, right? Yeah So you got to improve you got to drill your way up Into a higher place where the quality people are Because you can't find them down here. They're not bungeeing down for charity to get married to you, right? They just they don't want to go there. I don't want to go back there. I never will Right, so drill your way up improve your quality And I hate to say so for men, it's a bit more pursuit for women I say, you know, if you improve your quality the man will find you, right? But for men, it's like improve your quality and hold those standards high Which means you've got to grit your teeth and you got to punch yourself in the sack If you have to to stay away from the sirens, right? The women who are just hot and unstable, right? The hot messes as they call them, right? So, you know, look for the quality women build your own quality And you know, it's this wonderful saying from the Polonius who's kind of a fool gives to His son, right? He says, uh Well, neither a borrower nor a lender be and then he says above all to that own self be true for then it Shall follow his night follows day that can't not be false to any man to be true to yourself Be true to the quality within yourself And it will be effortless to find a quality partner Is a virtuous woman different than a virtuous man? Yes Let's talk about that Well We all have things that Stimulate us and are dangerous, right? So for men, the great danger is as I said in the speech status, right? So you want to have status and you want to have resources But you don't want to do it through praying and controlling and belittling and diminishing others, right? So State like the men who reject status completely This is like the um The perpetual adolescent the mom's basement the incel but everything's right So the men who reject status completely don't progress the men who are all about status End up kind of shallow, right? And they're just in pursuit of material gain and and they tend to be very um Hostile and judgmental and and not emotionally available particularly for women And so have a good balance with status, right? So that's the great challenge for men is to be Driven by status but not ruled by status. I think that that's really really important or to to allow status to inform you But not dominate you For women The great challenge is vanity, right? It's a great challenge Vanity and this used to be well known in society, right? It used to be well known in society that vanity was one of the great weaknesses that women have and vanity is Hypergamy, it's monkey branching. It's the desire for male attention It's playing around with flirting outside of your primary relationship as a means of reinforcing your ego and so on Now women who don't have any vanity who let themselves go so to speak. They're not very attractive, right? You can think of it's a harsh term, you know, like the land whales or you know, the yas girls or the kind of things Right sees the day and eat it, right? So the women who don't have any vanity who just let themselves go are kind of undatable, right? Because obesity in particular means you can't get pregnant very easily You've got health issues and joint pains and it's just you can't run around with your kids and so on So for women some vanity very important like for men some status but for women too much vanity And then the media knows this which is why they're constantly plying on women's vanity, right? Oh men are goofy and men are silly and men are dumb and you're smart and you're wise and in any conflict the woman's always right Men would be insulted. It'd be like man. Stop trying to fluff me. Stop blowing smoke up my eyes I don't know what the phrase is. This is the same here in the States. Like just stop praising me so much because you're manipulating me But women never seem to get enough of that stuff. It's really really dangerous and it really is and for men It's like the tough guy abs and and lamborghini's and crap like that can go kind of crazy so for women the the woman the virtue is Is connection particularly if she wants to be a mom, right? It's it's support And it's connection and for the man well, you have to go out and challenge the world and win resources for your family, but without Harming people Right and and that's the big challenge, right because it used to be more of a zero-sum game, right? Like someone someone gets the hunt. You don't get the hunt, right? This is someone goes and picks that apple. You don't get the apple, right now with the free market It's more of a win-win So finding a way to go out fight the world for the resources you need for yourself and your family but without Praying upon exploiting and diminishing others. That's that's a real challenge And I think those two particular approaches to virtue Build the best foundation for a family in my experience Is there a female equivalent of an incel or the guy living in his mom's basement? Yes Yes, but I think it's the mirror image I mean you could sort of go so in in japan There are the called the dry fish ladies right the women They barely go out of their home and they don't want to date and so on That to me is not so to me The woman who sleeps around Is to me The mirror image of the incel so the man who has no sex Is not part of the procreative nature of society But the woman who jumps from bed to bed Is also not part of the procreative nature of society The man who doesn't bother, you know getting up and and Grooming himself and going out to get a job and get resources and data whatever it is He is you know undermining the continuity of our culture and civilization And the woman who just jumps from bed to bed is doing the same thing So to me the deficiency of sex on the male side the equivalent for the female side is the excess Of sex as well In other words one person is spreading infertility the other one is spreading std's and also heartbreak Right because every time you you get involved with someone and it doesn't work out You know harms your pair bonding. It makes you more suspicious. It hardens your heart and so on And you know now we have this terrible situation with feminism By keeping women unattached for so long And women of course have very high standards when it comes to male attractiveness like we know that 80 percent of men on dating sites are red Like 80 percent of Men are rated as at or below average looks Right, so I mean this the top 10 or 20 percent of the genetically gifted men are making out like Turkish sultans Like they're just making out like bandits, right? So in other words by not having women pair bonded attached to men, you know Go no slut shaming and you go girl and sex power and all that What's happened is The top tier of men are making out like bandits and the women can't lock them down into a relationship So it's actually created a kind of sultan style hair and patriarchy in the pursuit of sexual liberation has made women slaves to alphas So they can't lock down and then they get I hate to say sort of used up or damaged goods But their pair bonding gets significantly impaired. They may have an std under wanted pregnancy They may have had an abortion it really wrecks their heart And then they get hard harder than they say. Well, this is patriarchy. It's like well It's a bit of a sexual patriarchy, but it's kind of being created by feminism And that I think is really really rough But I think women are kind of waking up to that now and saying, you know the supposed freedom You know and the devil offers you freedom, but it comes with a whole lot of chains at the end I'm divorced 16 years Which we're gonna say 16 times Wow, I feel like we'd be married and divorced already once is enough And uh, you were divorced 16 years ago. Yeah, okay so going and dating women over the years and going to their house And you're sitting at the dining room table kitchen table and a 25 year old comes up out of the basement with the nose ring on A boy all tattooed up. Oh, this is my son and I'm like, oh boy. This is trouble and I You know, I just make a decision right then and there if this is my last visit to this house And then and this was going on 10 15 years ago and then we started hearing the phrase Oh, you're probably living in your mother's basement Um And that rang true to me because I've seen that several times But one thing that popped out to me. No one ever said you're probably living in your father's basement. All right Why Why is it that way? Right? Well, it's the same thing that If I criticize some aspect of modern femininity people say Uh, oh, you have mommy issues right you've heard this a million times, right? But when a woman criticizes a man, nobody says she has daddy issues, right? That doesn't usually come up. So the mother's basement particularly with regards to the men is kind of important because Women can't teach boys how to be men I mean, it's it's such an obvious and simple truth that women Cannot teach boys how to be men and it's funny because you know when you you look at feminists and they will say well The reason why there aren't so many female Engineers or or physicists or whatever. It's because you see they don't they're not mentored. They don't see examples They they they don't know that they can do that kind of stuff So basically they're saying that male scientists can't inspire girls to be female scientists or whatever, right? So they need mentors. They need examples, but then you turn around and let's say well boys need fathers And they're like, oh, they don't and it's like come on I mean, it's not even remotely credible or you know on twitter people will say to me Why I don't the woman will say well, I don't need a man to have a baby, you know And technically you've got to get a sperm donor over there for right. You got to one night stand sure But it's it's the thing. It's not I say this and it's not about you It's about what's good for your children and your children need fathers Where your children absolutely desperately and totally need fathers So the mom's basement is really powerful because it's a number of things. First of all, it implies fatherlessness Which is a huge tragedy that is really wrecking our civilization in many ways and secondly There is something very powerful in that Because the boomers got a lot of wealth, right? I mean, they they were In the in the 70s and age a lot of wealth gathering lower taxes less regulations less competition for mass migration So the boomers were able to accumulate a lot of wealth And one of the reasons why things are worse for the next generation is they're living off that wealth of the boomers Without having the opportunity to create that level of wealth themselves So the boom was the richest generation in history after that. It's kind of all going downhill the boomers Could get houses for about 1.4 to 1.5 times their salary Which is staggering to think of right staggering to think of The equivalent now would be that you could get a house for 80 000 or 70 000 and it's often 10 times that amount, right? The real estate has gone completely mental and it shouldn't have because after the baby boom was the baby bust So as the boomers move out the housing prices should be collapsing But they the financial system can't handle that so they import bunch of people to prop up the housing prices So it indicates not only that there's fatherlessness, but it also indicates that you're living off the wealth of Your parents you're living off the wealth of your boomer parents usually And it's funny because that wealth still being concentrated in the boom parents through real estate prices being high It's one of the reasons why there's not that much future for the younger people because they what's the point? I mean you go out and get a job. You might have significant student loans You uh, you you can't afford a house You can't get your life started and then you want to date some woman and she's like oh I got 100 000 dollars and student loans. It's like oh man How on earth are we supposed to get anything going? So to me you can't blame You can't blame young people for the society. They didn't make it. They weren't born when all these decisions were made They didn't choose to have massive unfunded liabilities and national debts. They didn't choose for school quality to Collapse they didn't choose for it to be a gynocentric teacher daycare monopoly of females and They didn't choose for mass migration to prop up real estate values I mean that that But you you you take these big socioeconomic forces and you concentrate on one individual And you say you're a failure And you know failure to launch where's there to land for kids these days like why I mean and and plus not only has the outside world become progressively less accessible for success but now you know your pornography and and and video games and endless entertainment on on youtube and other places and it's like Outside is less attractive at inside is way more attractive And what can these young people do the voting block of the boomers is staggeringly huge and what can these individuals do? So I don't like blaming individuals for large socioeconomic forces one at the same time You still have to retain free will and individuality and so on. So it's a way of taking all the sins of society And ladening it down on on particular people that have remained fundamentally exploited and unprotected in society. I think it was wrong Yeah Cancel culture is a rehearsal for mass murder. Yep Wow, absolutely. There was a hush in the room when you said that that's true though Well, probably because it's true, right? Yeah, because it's true Yeah, so cancel culture is uh unpersoning unpersoning, uh, do you know when there's this is a phrase that comes from old dramas where Often it would be the son who would displease the father and it would be some big big item And the father would you know draw himself up and get this sneer on his face and he would say you are Dead to me Right. You're dead to me. So that's cancel culture in a family, right? You're dead to me and When you unperson people from the internet, you've killed them from the public consciousness Now it's not because you've engaged them and found them wanting. Hey, listen I'm happy to harm people's views if they're wrong, you know Like if I engage in a robust debate with someone and people start unfollowing them because they're wrong That's perfectly fair. I'm not demanding that they be unplatformed or anything like that But when you vanish people from social media Where does that Go where does that end? You're saying that their views are unacceptable and should not be held in the public square should not be available in the public square Well, that is a terrifyingly narcissistically megalomaniacal approach to truth There are people I massively disagree with they should absolutely have the right To make their case in the public square and I will engage with them because I want to know The scope of human thought and I can't do that if people are driven underground and Hey, I could be wrong You know, I mean having the humility and wisdom to know that you could be wrong is so important So we know that the left when it gains power historically Kills people by the thousands by the hundreds of thousands by the millions and sometimes even by the tens of millions They kill class enemies. They kill who they call counter revolutionaries or reactionary Um reactionary forces they call them they kill large property owners landowners the kool-axe they they kill they kill they kill and cancel culture is A pre-sage for that if you silence someone from the public square You've killed their capacity to engage with other people And that's not fair. That's not right. That's not reasonable and We know where it leads. Of course it does. They don't start off. I mean It's like, you know, if you're in an abusive relationship the guy doesn't like Punch you on the first date, you know, like there is a grooming period. There is a wooing period There's a what can we get away with period, right? And it's the same thing when the left Cancels people out of existence It is a rehearsal because they never stopped there. There is always an escalation from there and because they're anti-christian fundamentally Christianity says that All that is coerced or anything that is coerced cannot be moral because you have to have free choice to choose Virtue if you're forcing people It can't be moral if you silence people you haven't won a debate. You've lost it, right? I mean I don't know when your kids, right I would have lots of debates with people and it never ended with that. Oh, shut up. Shut up. Shut up It never ended it with la la la la, right? Yeah, that would be confession that you've lost You can't handle it anymore. So cancel culture is a confession of that you've lost Now, what are the leftists do when they lose so they say, oh, well, you know, I guess it was the wrong idea We're going to become capitalists or whatever. No, they just they double down. They escalate. They dodge. It's for whatever reason, that's what they do And of course, it doesn't stop, you know, it didn't stop with Alex Jones It didn't stop with Andrew Anglin. It didn't stop with Milo Unopolis It didn't stop at Laura Luma, of course It just continues they're all test cases or what they call tribal is When are people going to push back and they will keep escalating it They gain control of the reins of power and you can see this in Europe We got hate speech laws and people being thrown in prison for sharing videos and I mean, it's it Just is going to continue to escalate And you know, it's a whole lot easier to stop a snowflake than an avalanche And that's why I'm constantly promoting this this let people speak Yeah, I remember in 2016. I think I forget what university was right here in Florida Spent $600,000 on security when Milo was coming to speak $600,000 I've had the same deal Amazing. Yeah, I've had the same because they say well, you have the legal right to speak But if we threaten the venue enough, they'll either cancel Right, which has happened to me multiple. There's a reason this is my first time out in public For about a year where I've actually been able to see an audience, right? Or what they do is if the venue has to continue or decides to continue The they escalate security costs to the point where you go bankrupt trying to give a speech right and again that is You know, what do they do with their enemies when they gain power? We know this historically We line them up and they shoot them. Yeah, and this same rage to silence others It is yeah, that's why it says I very much stand by this address rehearsal I was begged by a few friends not to go to The night for freedom in New York City. I believe you were there. I was the first one and I decided the day before that I wasn't going to go And I was talking with Mike and I was gonna Give a few words there that night So instead I decided to watch various people's live periscope broadcasts And I watched the man get assaulted in real time. Yeah And I This is the jewish man who left right here at the venue. Yeah, and yeah, the guy just went to prison Right. I saw that And I'm glad to see that and I remember watching some of those broadcasts from inside the club there where you all were Talking and speaking and so forth. It looked like a fun event and it wasn't even as uh Even six hours eight hours before the event The planned venue Yeah, that's a very common And then at the last minute you had to find a new venue Well, I was with all my crew. I was with all my crew and a bitch. I was there to help but the primary I mean he was the guy and it was incredibly stressful and he handled it with great grace But yeah, he did find Another venue and we all piled in and that night. I mean that's what earned me my splc page as far as I understand it right and that night The the contrast was was astounding Inside the venue There was dancing There was fun Different races Everybody's showing up. We're all having a great conversation. Good time. I must have Hucked and selfied 500 people like that night, right? People who were like, oh man, your show is fantastic Or I don't like it that this or I disagree with you about that the same thing Same thing in poland we're gonna have debates in in in a pub and it was great fun So the inside there's you know disagreement. There's love. There's you know joy There's selfies and people telling me they're showing me their baby pictures. I got married because it was wonderful stuff That's the inside and the outside There's people screaming that they want to put bullets into us Yeah, right That is you know that old saying same planet different worlds. Yeah, that is not a world That There's compromise. There's not a world where people can get along What is wrong with people's vision? I saw that and I and I was Like oh darn, maybe I should have went it looked fun It looked like it was great It looked like a fun night other people could watch that and be angered and go look at all those You know fill in the blanks. Yeah uh What happens Why do people Have two different why are there two different views of an event like that? I saw celebration Yeah, I mean and there were lots of people there who disagreed with each other and we had to civilized and and positive time so I mean there's a lot to it, but I think fundamentally if I sort of boil it down to one thing I would say this that Unfortunately, there are so many people dependent on government money at the moment And everybody knows that it's unsustainable. So we're in a situation Titanic's going down. There aren't enough lifeboats for everybody. So people are really freaking out So the right wing which I'm not a part of but It's not attacking me in the way the left wing is so, you know, that's just the reality So the right wing, what do they want smaller government lower taxes more free markets more voluntary human interactions, right? Now for you and I That's a good thing, right because we are confident of our ability to Be productive and and valuable in a free market voluntary situation, right? now flip that over to what you talked about before at the young man with nose ring and tattoos and all that kind of stuff, right Is he confident that he can go out into the free market and provide value and negotiate and Earn a living and all that well, probably not Now when you're in and that's a whole different category from say a woman who has You know three kids by two different dads who doesn't have really any skills is living in government housing relying on welfare and food stamps So when we talked about lower taxes smaller government for us It's a big positive, right? But what they do Is they're like a farmer and we're setting fire to their crops, right? We're invading their territory We're setting fire to their crops and they are going to starve in their mind, right? This is like now the idea is like well, you know, there'll be more economic opportunities higher wages You can get a job you can all get together a babysit each other's kids and you'll have a community It'd be better for you in the long run and so on That's not what they see what they see is I'm helpless I am dependent I am owed and you're cutting off my food and you're cutting off my electricity And i'm going to die and my children are going to starve because you guys don't want to share right now that is a very terrifying position to be in it's very helpless and out of helplessness comes aggression, right? I mean, you know the cornered rat, right the rat will try and get away from you But when you've cornered it and it's helpless it can't escape it will turn on you, right? So if you look at antifa and these other things I've talked to one of these guys on my shows and talked to another guy another two guys privately They'll come from single mom households, right? So antifa need to be understood as the shock troops sent out by single mothers to make sure their benefits are not diminished That's what they're interested. That's what they are. So when we get together and they think that we're talking about Cutting off food and health care to the poor, which we're not but that's their perception, right? Well, they're cornered animals because they believe that they cannot survive without the government money and if we have issues with that Then we are quote trying to kill them and hey, man, it's just self-defense You guys can't be allowed to get your way because if you get your way We're toast Whereas I look at the left and say well if you get your way I'm toast because I know history and then I'd be the first first My big honor. I'd be a top ten of people on the firing line, right? So when they look at us and say if you get your way I'm dead and we look at them and say well if you get your way, I'm dead Well, that's why I say unfortunately right now. It's gone so far. There's not going to be a peaceful solution. I just hope it's not too bad I notice that You parachute into hot spots san francisco Hong Kong I say to myself gosh I will yeah, right exactly. I will never go to san francisco forget it forget it You're you're packing your suitcase on your way to san francisco Well, I'm not there. I'm not there. I would went up to the city council. Yeah, right and I I just saw the video It's a fdr url.com forward slash ci if you want to see the sequence I've got city council. So how are you going to pay for all this? Like, you know, they've got 20 minutes to do Chinese drummers Yeah, you know, but they don't have five seconds or 10 seconds to entertain How are you going to pay for all of these giant programs, right? so I I you know, there is This perception, of course, and I think it's quite true that canada. Sorry the california is america's future Or if you want to know how america's going to be in 10 or 20 years, you just look at california. Well, it's not pretty Yeah, I mean Biggest welfare state biggest income disparities most people on welfare lowest quality of education just about I mean just wretched stuff High high crime waves and homelessness is rampant so You need to Go to the guys who are smoking out of a hole in their throat to say don't smoke Right, so you want to show in a sense? Okay. This is the reality of where things are heading if we don't have important conversations so you know, I mean I had security and and all of that but Actually, I didn't have security in hong kong when I needed it actually the most because of the tear gas and all of that but nonetheless, I mean there are real things happening in the world and Which is a silly thing to say because it's obvious But when we have these abstractions they they translate into very real things Right. So like socialist policies translate into Women selling their children in venezuela, right and and middle class women like teachers and clerks and so on going across to columbia And selling their bodies for sex to get food for their children These abstract old ownership of the means of production they translate into very real catastrophes for individual people And you know, that's when people are breaking into zoos and eating the farm animals because they're starving This is when the average weight loss is like 20 20 pounds in a year and you see these videos coming out of venezuela Where a guy's crashed his truck He's lying there bleeding half dead people are stepping over him to get to the food in the back of the truck This is like the callousness and Base level of survival that's occurring in these countries. So I do want to go to places and say Yeah, you can have your socialist policies You can have your mass migration if you want and you will end up with you know typhus In your in your town and you will end up with feces all over the sidewalk And you will end up with a truly deranged and out of reality city council and and There are people like like ellen jow who's running for mayor who I think would make a very interesting and powerful difference and nobody knows right or very few people know so I wanted to get the word out with her and with Hong Kong, I mean, Hong Kong is an incredible place. I mean You have two genetically identical people Chinese You know one had been under British rule for 150 years One, you know went through the collapse of bunch of emperors and then the rise of the communists and now this semi-physiistic communist market capitalism thing that's going on And the ferocity with which they're fighting for their freedoms in Hong Kong Is is incredible. It's deeply powerful and these are people who take ideas very seriously and are willing to go Literally to the barricades like limousine style in order to try and maintain their freedoms It's the only place in the world where the free market is written directly into their constitution And it's going straight up against the biggest Leviathan state in human history Man, I mean why wouldn't you want to be there? Right, right Where is the next hotspot any ideas? And I know you think globally yeah Well, I think This is going to sound a bit odd But I think what's called a waxet in Canada I think it's going to And you should see the spikes of the searches for western separation right after the election of truda Which is a complete catastrophe for Canada. It could only have been worse if he'd gained a majority But given he's going to team up with the socialist in the nvp. It's maybe a distinction without a difference But the next aspect of the west is people want to to break up countries Because the fisher lines culturally and and ideologically are so stark and in opposition You know I mean, it's like you can have different denominations of christianity Certainly post-reformation separation of church to say live together relatively amicably But not if you know, I don't know one worships Jesus and one worships satan, right? That's going to be a bit tougher to get along with right and there's been so much demonization of people with different opinions from the left They claim to love diversity, but it's really just crippling uniformity that they they are after I think that what's going to happen and they tried this with brexit to split away from europe They're going to try this various places in the america. There's going to be real talk of secession It has to be because people do not believe if trump fails In terms of what people wanted him to do, which I think he will Then there's going to be separation. There's going to be separation In in Quebec is going to be interested in separating. The only reason Quebec's not more interested in separating is get so much money from From canada as Justin Trudeau says canada belongs to Quebec But yeah, Manitoba, Saskatchewan, Alberta in particular is getting completely pillaged by the rest of canada through these equalization payments and they are not allowed to Pursue the the exploitation of the natural resources. So they are like they're completely hamstrung I think that we're going to start to see very very serious movements in the west towards the breakup of existing countries and I think that's kind of a desperate move, you know, people say, oh, let's just build a wall around california. It's like well, they'll just Jump that wall too, right? I mean people don't just sit there and say well, it's a different country So i'm just going to starve here, right? I mean we're going to have to face this ideology and its effects head on at some point But for now people are going to start talking about separation That's going to happen people are going to try and get out of the european union as much as possible Well, it's getting progressively more difficult. I think the union within Canada is going to be threatened the union within america is going to be threatened particularly post trump because post trump as a demographic change You're going to get more and more crazy lefties into power. That's inevitable because they're importing people who vote for socialism that's the whole plan And once people realize there's no trump 2.0 and you can never ever get a republican elected as president again because of demographics people are going to say okay, we're out and Man, then it's going to be funny because all the people who claim about like White privilege and and and white domination and so on and be like, oh wait the white people want us to see Well, we can't let that happen, right because they're the tax payers, right? So I think that's the hotspot. So I think going to be all around us and those battles are going to be fought politically and in people's living rooms Why were we as an organization the 21 convention embraced by poland? as we thought about taking taking the show on the road to europe And discussing what countries we could possibly go to it's like, well, let's go to the uk Oh, no, let's go to sweden. Oh, no, and then it ended up being in poland And poland embraced us and our message. Why do you think that is? Well, poland of course having recently tasted the bitter fruits for many decades of totalitarian rule is very interested in free thought Free expression, which is why when I went to poland to film a documentary I could just Put the word out on social media and meet with people and we didn't have to worry about Bomb threats or death threats the same thing in hong kong in hong kong so, I mean poland One of the big differences is it's of course largely white Although that's not the sole reason may not even be the most important reason but there's just think of the amount of energy that Multiracial societies expand screaming racism at each other and trying to figure out The courses of disparities and outcomes between different ethnicities and so on. I mean it's it's bloody exhausting And it's a huge waste of time energy and resources because it doesn't seem to fix anything it ups that makes things worse But I think primarily I would say it's a christianity It's the christianity When people agree on large moral ideas Society remains relatively friction free. Yeah, you know like When your kids you make up a bunch of games with your friends, right? Like But if you all agree on the rules for the most part the game is relatively friction free and in in poland given the central nature of of christianity to the culture and its united opposition to Communism to socialism to leftism and to mass migration You have a group of people who all agree on the same basic rules Which means that they're free to disagree on everything else But if you can't agree on the same basic rules, everything is fractious and conflicted Well, we've gone around the world in about 30 minutes here and In our last talk you ended your speech and I had you look at the camera And and talk talk to that person out there. That was why it was the patriarch convention and uh one phrase really Uh stayed with me. It was get married have babies save the world that that type of thing Considering the theme of this conference here Talk to the people who will be watching this right now What message do you have for them? Sure It's a very very interesting question there is a moment Of enlightenment or potential enlightenment that can happen to Everyone and anyone on their life's journey and this not because of me or even the convention. This can be yours Because if you've only heard about this convention or you've only heard about this gentleman or myself You've heard some pretty negative things right like who has a bunch of misogynists getting together I'm a Nationalist white supremacist nazi whatever it is right. So you're told all of these things And that's An illusion of words that is created around particular individuals in order to have you not hear What we have to say to dismiss us ahead of time To not engage with us at all. Now. That's a fascinating thing. So there's two possibilities number one We are really really terrible people who want to just infect you with the worst conceivable ideas And and turn you against all that is good and virtuous and true in the universe And your wise elders and the people in the media and the people in the higher education and and all of the organizations that identify hate groups and so on Boy, they're you know, they're just really looking out for you and your best interests. There's no ulterior motive They have no agenda. They're just trying to protect you from really really terrible people who want to feel you full of terrible idea That's one possibility But there's another possibility Another possibility Now the other possibility Which is the truth is this that the people That those in power tell you are the worst but generally those who threaten those empower the most So what is it about what I do and what you do and what this convention does? That threatens people in power Men pay the majority of taxes and receive the fewest benefits from the state We are the toiling masses. We are the exploited proletariat. We are the tax cattle and economic slaves of the system How does a slave owner feel When the slaves begin to discuss freedom among themselves Is he pleased no that slave who begins these conversations is about the most evil troublemaker that can be imagined and by god No other slaves better listen to that slave Or disaster will occur and he's actually kind of right Because disaster will occur But for the slave owner not for the slaves liberation and freedom will occur for the slaves So you have a choice Because you hear things about me about us And then you actually hear us at the arguments that we make and the facts that we bring to bear The reason and evidence we bring to bear on these important social question now the disparity The oppositional nature between what is described and what is Is a monumental chance for enlightenment Where does lightning come from clouds rubbing up against each other pejum, right? Now you've got a perception and you've got a reality rubbing up together Generates great energy great light great heat and you can harness that Because we're not we're not the monsters who are portrayed the monsters Are those who would use lies and slander to keep you from the arguments we have to make Why focus on us Why are we the ones that have to be silent? You know, there are genuinely bad groups out there, right? There are there are terrorists There are racist organizations. There are like you name it, right? Why is it us that gets all of this venom and all of this hatred from the powers that be Do the powers that be have your best interests at heart Do they hand you an economic system that's full of opportunity and freedom for you? Do they hand you an economic system where you're free Of national debt that they hand you great schools Full of wise intelligent people who teach you how to think critically Do they hand you a sustainable economic system? No Do you really think that they care about you? No They don't care about you They don't care about us But they care that we care about you They care that we want you to be free. They care that we want you to ask questions The people like us that they're trying to Chase you away from Are the people who to use an old phrase Can lead you to the promised land and that's why You can't listen to us Because you will really like what we have to say But they don't Millions of people are going to see this conversation on your network my personal network the conventions network How can people find you? Who are watching you for the first time? I'm right here. No, so you can find me on the web at freedomain.com at Stefan mollinu st e f a n m o l y And e u x is my twitter account and man if you're not following that I didn't even know why you get out of bed in the morning. That is a fun account man And you can find me on youtube.com forward slash free domain radio I used to be radio, but I've dropped that so free domain radio is still my handle on youtube You can find me on bit shoot on on a wide variety of alternative platforms gab And minds.com and so on so yeah, just go to any of my videos as a whole list if you go to free domain.com You can get you know podcast and videos and there's a whole list of my social media presence there as well And you know, I really invite you I do I do you can send in questions We can do call in our conversations together. I do interviews and lots of great stuff. So Whatever you like given the philosophy is the ultimate everything discipline There'll be something there that will engage you and I hope that you will join the conversation Talking about freedom with Stefan mollinu. Thank you. Thank you very much George Bruno with the 21 report. We're at the 21 convention the patriarch edition And I'm talking with Stefan mollinu. Welcome. Thanks, George. Great to be here. Absolutely We're talking about fatherhood patriarchs In the light of hope optimism and positivity In a world that's degenerate spiraling down, how do we remain optimistic? Uh I saw something that you had put out on youtube recently about parenting some great tips And was reviewing that Great solid stuff Absolutely just total respect for you on that And I thought that would be a great topic. You had said something Conflict should be welcomed a peaceful household Is not necessarily a conflict free household Yeah, so there's there's this idea I think it comes a little bit more from women than from men that conflict is a problem Conflict needs to be repressed needs to be avoided and conflicts are in issues The closest friendships I have are people that I've had strong disagreements with we've worked it out We've resolved it and we gained the trust of knowing we can do that and therefore we're free to disagree and both learn from each other's perspective so This idea of a conflict free household and I was raised by a single mom My dad was out of the picture when I was a baby and he was like in Africa and I was in the uk So it was like the entire planet was between us And my mother had this belief That family life should be perfectly tranquil that that there should never be conflicts And so anytime that there was a conflict It was a catastrophe, you know, it's like rain on your wedding day You know if every day is your wedding day all rain is a disaster And so it took me a long time To realize appreciate and understand the value of resolving conflicts If you don't have the capacity to have conflicts with people and resolve them You can't trust them all you're doing is avoiding and given that we're inevitably going to disagree when you avoid conflict You avoid intimacy you avoid trust and I think that men's greater comfort With conflict is something that society is really lacking. I mean, you see all these free speeches these these bannings that went on Of of of men and Laura Luma, of course as well And that's because society Is not good at resolving disputes anymore. We've just been so dispute avoidant But now it's gotten to this hysterical Semi-fascistic level of just banning people for disagreeing. That's not how we grow. That's not how we resolve things as a society We need that masculine comfort with disagreement Yeah, I saw someone somebody saw a picture of me and Cernovich And the comments down below there was one comment that said I can't believe You would associate with him I am unsubscribing The comment below that was Wow, you're associating with Cernovich. I'm subscribing So it was this polarization But I like that I like that It shows movement It shows movement and it shows stiffness on their part Well, men Are not allowed to have allies in the modern world. We're not allowed to have groups. We're not allowed to have Sweat lodges. We're not allowed to have tribes. We're not allowed to have you can have a man cave As long as you're not talking to other men about something important and you're just watching some Bruce Willis movie. That's fine. Right. And so this is why you see, you know, the the the conference here is under threat Yeah, the conference is to do with men's issues that I've attended in the past were all you got bomb threats death threats You name it, right? Because the world the west as a whole has become so female centric That the idea that men can have partnerships that men can talk to each other You know, there's this old cliche and I've known this for years. I've talked about this on my show That you know a friend of yours who's a man He's in a bad relationship if the woman starts cutting off contact with his friends Right because she wants to isolate him so she can go full bunny boiler on him without his friends saying oh She's crazy. You got to like get out or you know, this is not good and so on So this isolation of men in modern society is a reason why these conferences are so important And why they're so opposed because if we start getting together and talking about stuff Well, you know, there's great strength in numbers. So we've got to stay isolated You know, we're allowed our video games. We're allowed our solitude. We're allowed our little room But the moment we start getting together with other men and talking about issues and learning from each other You know a terrible stuff is going to happen terrible stuff is going to happen. That's right I remember at last fall's conference I was sitting next to a woman in the lounge in the bar in the lobby of the hotel that we're meeting at And as the speakers were coming in we see each other once or twice a year handshakes and Bro hugs as like the half, you know, where you kind of bump shoulders kind of thing And I came back to the bar and like every time a guy would come in I would welcome him and so forth and she says Oh, are you guys here for the parade? Well, we didn't know that that the 21 convention was scheduled during pride week, right, right and And uh, the hotel was booked with the pride attendees and she saw men Happy to see each other shaking hands and giving each other a hug And she thought we were part of the pride week. I said, oh, no, no, not at all I said, we're here for a masculinity conference And then she started scratching her head. It was more feasible for her to think That we were there congregating for the other thing Then for meeting about manhood masculinity positive masculinity Gearing up to be better men better fathers better citizens I thought that was interesting That's an old Cliche that keeps men from having honest affection with each other Was that if you have any kind of positive affection for a man, you get yes, right? And and that is something that scares men away a lot of times from being affectionate and then you get this Stoic stone faced carved out of granite kind of masculinity That is incredibly fragile, right because where do we get our strength? We got our strength from flexibility from reason from community from from relationships or from intimacy And if we have to be isolated then we become weak, you know It's the old cliche that that's a good story, right? Like, you know one stick you can break you put a bundle of sticks together you can't Break them. So yeah, we we have to be scared away from talking about our feelings At the same time as society says well, you're not emotionally available And then the moment you're emotionally available. It's like, whoa, whoa, you must be gay, you know All of these impossible Standards that men are subjected to and what that does of course is it teaches us to forget about the external cues And just, you know, follow your heart and and be friendly with people and be positive about the future and Listen to and give advice, you know One of the biggest topics that I've had in the past is around this question of single moms and dating single moms and so on And every time I've touched on it in a show I get like endless comments In like, oh, I tried it and it was a disaster now again Sometimes it works and all that but it's kind of the exception to the rule as a whole Can we share our wisdom about this kind of stuff? Well, no because you see that's to the benefit of men as it is talking about divorce problems and problems with family courts and False allegations of I just did a show with a guy. He was falsely his father was falsely accused according to him by his mother of sexual abuse and a divorce Can we talk about these kinds of threats to men? Well, no because that benefits men and doesn't benefit women and the whole society seems to be around just Whatever women need whatever they want. We're just these disposable cogs in a big conveyor belt to bring resources to women And anytime men say, well, wait a minute. What's in this for me? How does this benefit me? You got to shut that guy up really really quick because otherwise other people might you know hear and right respond There's no male equivalent of you go girl Yeah, it is men men are you we are the worker drones, right? And we we have been through throughout history, right? I mean men are used as like lead soldiers just throw it into the fire of war You can't have your own I remember this as a kid like learning about the second most war and the heroics of the men and I remember as a kid charging down a Football field Probably about six or seven, you know forward for some George imagining I was in a war and you get all this programming that your life is is just this empty shell to be used in in productivity, you know the old reality that that in in the free supposedly free market Labor-saving devices for women were invented before life-saving devices for men In other words the men who were down there getting coal that they had washing machines They had dryers they had all these wonderful things ovens for women Before they developed basic ventilation and masks for the men in the coal mines, you know And and so this idea of just being a worker bee and you just you're there to produce You're there to fight if necessary You're there for resources so that politicians can tax you and give to other groups this idea that society Should listen to men and men should have a say in how things go and that men's needs are important You know, you're really pulling the rug out of a very delicate house of cards that people want to keep standing. Absolutely You were talking about sugar in the household and our reaction to it And how might you bring up my nemesis I mean and that was fascinating. No one ever I never heard anyone talk about that. Yeah. Yeah sugar It's a big problem, of course, uh, like sugar is the pornography of the buffet, you know, uh, and and so sugar is is a big issue Men are incredibly frustrated and thwarted. We've we've got a society You need a license to do everything things are very complicated You need to know people and you need to get the right permits and You remember seeing this guy who was weeping about a star wars Uh a trailer, right and I I get where he's coming from because in the star wars universe You just you're swashbuckling you're you're out there doing cool stuff. You can make things happen And there's not like well, I'm going to need this form in triplicate And then you got to have this corporation fill out this form and then you need this legal approval And that just saps men like we are Adventurous and and we want to go out and explore and and conquer and risk Yes, and this society has become so averse to risk that it's now become anti masculine Like there's a fascinating thing you can people can see this on the internet Go look at playground structures from 100 years ago Interesting. It's fascinating. See now playground structures. I mean, I'm a dad I go with my daughter to to the playgrounds. They got this soft squishy. Yeah, you know, and everything's ground up tires And it's it's all it's all soft and it's all low down and nothing's too You go to these they were these remember the monkey bars. Yeah monkey bars These you could die on those things. Oh, yeah No, and now like if you go back and you look at these people The kids who were out a hundred years ago, these things just went halfway to the sky You know one drop and you're ding ding ding your way down to like some brain injury And the kids were fine and they got more exercise and they learned how to manage risk But you know, it's like that internet meme where the dad's throwing the the kid up in the sky and and you know What's really happening is the kids like this high above the dad What the kid feels is this high what the mom sees is Is that high because women are very cautious and it's a beautiful thing. We need that risk We need that caution, right, but now a society's just become so claustrophobic and so safe obsessed That men almost don't have any particular scope Which is why they pour so much energy into video games where you don't need forms in triplicate You could just go and risk and and take but it's all artificial and it bad for you in the long run again I like video games, but you know It's become a bit of a real sink for for young men In terms of productivity and that's because Achieving something on the screen is so much easier than trying to go out and achieve something in the world in real life. Yeah Modeling behavior for children you talked about reasoning With your kids as opposed to because I said so because I'm bigger and stronger and louder than you That really impressed me expound on that so There's been this cliche that has been developed about you know, men You know, we're big bullies with patriarchs. We just you know, like big daddy in in some Tennessee Williams play We just like thump around and there's not the history of men has a lot to do with philosophy a lot to do with reasoning a lot to do with the development of common law and and how to negotiate in a society where people disagree strongly because you know for men We had duals, you know, you you need if you and I had some big disagreement We'd need to find some way to reason it out Otherwise we're gonna end up You know, one of us is gonna end up with a big hole in him and you know fallen over sideways and bleeding into some gutter so because Men have had physical threats for disagreement. We've had to find ways to negotiate Without that the feminine approach and again, this is very general There's lots of exceptions But the feminine approach tends to be if you have disagreements You spread poisonous rumors about the person until they lose the will to live and there's not that kind of direct You know, they're not gonna have duals right and there's not that direct confrontation So this idea that men are just these big bullies and so on Well, you know talk to any teenage girl about whether they fear more The boys or the girls when it comes to their reputation and their social standing their happiness And so I think that once Men are taken out of society. We lose this capacity to negotiate Which is why you get these incredible ugly hit jobs from the media with people they disagree with That's a feminine thing in general And it's why you have banning people. It's why you have the whole concept of hate speech Yeah, you know because men can negotiate we can reason and I think for the most part men We don't like to lose but we recognize the benefit of losing an argument Which is that we have something better right than before and for women It feels almost too humiliating. I think for a lot of women So when men get shuffled more and more out of the public square You end up with these massive tangled complicated disagreements that you can't resolve with reason and evidence And so you end up running into the government you end up with hit pieces trying to destroy people's reputation Or when men are trying to get together at this 21 convention You end up with threats that are designed to shut down the whole thing, you know violent violent threats and that's That you can't run a civilization that way. Yeah. Yeah What would you say are the most important things that we can tell our kids? A lot of dads here are going to be watching this That's the most important thing men matter men matter foundationally the civilization that we have It was it's it's a it's a complex combination and we've just taken out half of the whole equation. So, yes It was built by men and those men were raised by women and they were fathered by men Right, but the the entire sort of basis of our civilization. I played this game with my daughter sometimes in Canada If there's an ice storm, you know, if we're driving around and it's late at night And we'll say hey, let's spot the women up there You know on the hydro lines, you know repairing things and we've yet to see one, right? I mean and every time we see some oil rig You know it's like can we spot the woman at the in the oil rig and but it's kind of out of sight Right, like who is it who we deal with mostly in cities, you know service workers or daycare workers teaches a lot of women And that's that's great and women have a lot to contribute But everything we walk on You know the the the roads the buildings the all the infrastructure that like the women will choose the taps But the men build the sewage systems, you know, like the taps are kind of useless without the sewage systems and so men really matter and When men have built a civilization out of you know blood sweat and tears What generally happens is then the aesthetics of that civilization get taken over by women and women make places beautiful Don't get me wrong. I mean the guys, you know, what do we like a tv and a couch That's about it and women make things beautiful and it's a wonderful part But in the beautification of the civilization built by men What happens is the male contribution gets taken for granted and Men really matter they matter when it comes to parenting the these statistics I'm sure you know them as well as I do George these statistics of what happens On average to children who don't Get fathered. Yeah or catastrophic absolutely absolutely and and lack of Fatherhood or lack of father presence is an environmental toxin Yeah, it is for I mean if something came in like there was a gas that was seeping into people's households that produced the promiscuity and produced the aggression and produced the Dropping out of school and the drug use and all of this stuff. We'd be like We've got to stop our whole society find the source of the leak of this toxin and we've got to seal it up because it's damaging children enormously father absence is incredibly toxic for most children I mean there's some bulletproof kids who get through it. Okay, but for most children so, you know, the men really matter and Even in the maintenance of our civilization, there's this general slowdown that's happening these days You know planes falling out of the sky potholes increasing. You got water problems in flint, you know There's this arc and momentum that men have when they propel a civilization and build it You get this arc You're like, you know, if you're going up in a plane and your engine cuts out You still go up for a little while, you know, but then you know, right So men really matter and there's a whole cadre and and and propaganda mill in society that's constantly telling men You're toxic. You don't matter. You're negative. If only you're basically just broken women You know, if you were just like women, everything would be wonderful Even though historically female rulers initiate war a lot more than male rulers That's something that people don't usually know. So this idea that that the ideal is women and however men Deviate from that ideal is negative and the problem have to be fixed. Yes, absolutely wrong If you look at how all of this stuff is communicated It's all almost all of it is on infrastructure built by men So without men, we don't have a civilization without women We don't have beauty in a lot of ways. So it's a great compliment to each other, but taken men out of the equation Well, what happens? We know what happens is that when men get taken out of the equation Women get married to the government you end up with socialism and everything falls apart true You did a great series on that too. That was Wonderful. Thank you. Loved it and I've been talking to a lot of young men And I'll say so when are you gonna have a family? And not here, but it in my practice and in my travels And a lot of young people are saying this and you might have heard this as well I wouldn't want to bring a child into this world With the way the world is and I think to myself You know, there's never been a Better time or there's never been a good time to bring a child into the world. I mean every era ideal time. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, there's never been an era that's been ideal and there's this darkness. There's this pessimism That's amongst men young men right now What would you say? How would you speak to those men? How would you give them some optimism? a boost of encouragement About building a family Because young men are not building families anymore. They're not building legacies. What would you tell those men? Can I tell them? Tell them tell them directly. All right. Yes. Okay, so guys I completely and totally understand where you're coming from and I'm not going to just say that all of your caution and all Of your concern is misplaced. It's not There are real challenges in the world But here's the thing you're alive and the fact that you maintain your existence means that you're happy to be alive Now when I was growing up if you're like a young younger than me, which is not that hard these days But when I was growing up We were told about all the environmental catastrophes and they were much more imminent than the global warming stuff That's going on at the moment. We had like acid rain hole in the ozone. We were going to run out of plants when I was a kid We were going to run out of oil. Uh, there was going to be worldwide starvation and famines by 1980 I remember this when I was growing up in the 70s. So we had all of that plus we had imminent nuclear Contastrophe imminent nuclear war where all of your math skills were going to end up as some shadow on a wall because the russians We had to drop the bomb or the chinese were going to drop the bomb nonetheless My mom had kids nonetheless You struggled through it and if you give up If good men of conscience give up on having families it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy Insofar as if all the good people give up the bad people take over So don't let that happen and don't let the joys of family be taken away from you by propaganda By fear mongering by bad people you have a great deal of power and positivity and virtue to bring To the world the fact that you're alive Even though your parents had the living crap scared out of them by a bunch of propagandists is a good thing Right, you're happy to be alive and when it comes to money as well because that's like the big thing We're the first generation You're the first generation growing up poorer and with fewer prospects Than the boomers right then then the elder generation, but here's the thing You're still the second richest generation in history Out of the 300 or 500 or 700 generations that humanity has existed. You came in second That's not the end of the world. You know, that's not too bad People had kids during the fall of the roman empire people had kids during the black death people have kids during the spanish inquisition People had kids Greeks had kids in in greece when they were christians when they were ruled for 400 years by by the muslim hotoman turks. I mean There's always been a reason to not Enjoy life to create life to experience the joys of parenthood and the joys of fatherhood. There's always been a reason Don't let the fear mongering when you're still the second richest and second greatest opportunity generation in human history Don't let people take that away from you. You'll find a way to make it work Some things you have to do with way ahead of planning, right? You want to build a bridge from one side of a canyon to another You got to plan that you got to build it like crazy. You got to meet in the middle You can't drop one rivet without threatening the whole project That's not how family works. How family works is you find someone you love You're a good enough person that bad people are repelled by you and good women are attracted to you Which means you're not going to get pillaged in some divorce court. I've been married for 17 years So I kind of know what I'm talking about with regards to that But with family you take a running leap You jump and the bridge gets built through your momentum. That's the way it's always worked Your income will go up when you get married and your income will go up when you become a father That's just the way it's always worked. So if you're going to wait for the perfect bridge Which is what people tell you to do because they don't want smart good people having kids because they want dumb people to rule Just take that leap across the canyon as all humanity has had to do throughout history under far Graver threats than we face right now. Just take that leap and you will find it amazing How much power and support you will get simply from taking the risk because the greatest risk is to not Have children the greatest risk is to not experience the joys of parenthood because then the second half of your life in particular Kind of a bleak and empty and lonely place. So fulfill your destiny. Have those kids save the world another message of hope positivity and optimism from a father Stefan Mullinu. Thank you, sir. Great pleasure. Thank you