 Yes, thank you very much for hanging out with us until this time right here This is why in the morning my name is by Moses or it's by me to media platform as I say it at the beginning this Wednesday, but this one I took a different twist right there for Queens to exist Peacefully we need gentlemen. We need well-raised Fathers we need well-raised brothers. We need well-raised spouses. That's why we have next-gen fathers in the building Thank you. Thank you so much. All right. I love that you're ready. Your camera is number four So maybe we can start with you Hi, my name is Mark Leon Cabale My next-gen fathers as the head of administration head of administration at next-gen fathers. All right. How about you? All right. My name is Dennis Musso. I pleasure to be here. I'm the program coordinator Program coordinator. Yeah, so remind me the title again head of administration head of administration programs coordinator. Yeah They almost mean the same thing in my head All right, but you're going to break it out. Yeah. All right. So next-gen is By definition next-generation fathers. Yes. All right. So this is basically Something to prepare us to be good dads. Yeah. Yeah Okay If I can check my right, okay So next-gen fathers is an organization that has come up under the vision of Transforming the boy child into a refined man, right? Transforming the boy child into a refined mind. Yeah, and refined is an acronym to mean responsible ethical God-fearing Integral noble eloquent and a diligent integral is a problem in the 254 We are going to solve it. Yeah. All right. So who comes who's in charge of the communication is very good We came up with the acronyms and the language Yeah, we did all right both of us. Oh, both of you. Yeah, it's very it's very amazing how you present the agenda at hand So I will I will how is the organization structured? Yes Organization is structured. It has a board That the board has a representative now who helps run the organization who is a patron in corporate terms It could be called like executive director and then now there is us who are more or less like the managing Directors now here on the ground where we now manage a group of Staff but also volunteers because the organization works with mostly volunteers It's a non-profit organization. All right So we have the administration and then we have people who run the operations That's true. All right. What are some of the activities that you have going on and the next gen? Fathers now that we know what the agenda is. Yeah, okay, so predominantly in the last two years We've ventured to engage in mentorship exercises in the community Last year we we had a tournament in Kibera. I had like 16 schools show up And it was a primary primary because a platform for us to get our name in the ground You know and as we are there get to interact with some of these boys in the in the spaces in the comfort of their spaces And get to hear some of the challenges they're going through and how we can we can address those we've also Done some camps. Basically. We we go to schools when schools are out and then we we Least the facility to be able to have camps in house, right? All right They already have classes. They already have classes. They have boards. They have they have everything. We need fields So we've we've partnered with the peak last year patterned with Kilimani primary school the previous year And and that's more or less our ammo. All right. So you have camps you have tournaments You have activities that the boys enjoy. Yeah, just you use them to reach to reach the boys. Yeah, okay So what are some of these? Things that we were doing wrong But next-gen came in to try to correct in raising our boys. That's right. I mean, I Wouldn't say that this is It's not something that we were doing wrong. It's something that has been done wrong for a very long time for generations for generations and again when we talk about next-gen fathers, it's Then we're looking at the next generation. So want to impact the next generation of those fathers So we start with the moral fabric the moral fabric in our society has been Affected really especially because of the families The family unit not being first of all led by men because number one, there's no Male role models access to As well as I'm just even interaction for the boy child with Godly male role models because that is the first step then another thing that as well is wrong is that again the There's a kind of oblivion about mentorship in our society. We don't see the value of mentorship To us as individuals but again as to us as men because then that means there's no environment for men to be able to be guided Directed and led in a certain way So then it's because your development as a person as a man relates to your environment, you know and again Lastly, it's there's a passivity that we have noticed us as men We're and I'm a man included as well. Yes You know, there's a passivity in our society today that we are not taking our roles up as men It's kind of like we forgot our roles. We're not taking responsibility We're not we're not taking responsibility We're not showing examples of integrity. We're not showing examples of leading And we're not showing really the example of what it is to become a man All right So next in is here to try feel like yes and to try to influence as some change. That's true All right. I like that part right there. So growing up, you know the There's certain things as as a boy You're easily attracted to you know Personally, my role models were rappers. Yeah, because my dad wasn't cool enough. Yeah, and My friends were very big influence to me because those are the people I spend most of the time with All right. So moving for as man, how do you make a child? see his father as a cool person Look up to the dad or look up to some responsible guy when I have no way when I have G is easy to look up to Chains and everything that I want. Very interesting question. I relate with you I grew up literally next to the radio and next to the beat Yes, you know and I think music and football are the things that I guess Nurtured me in the boyhood and you see there's already a problem right there You ask the question of how do we see? I'm how do we make the child see their dad as a cool person, right? But even even in terms of our MO as next-gen fathers We want to impact the next generation of fathers so that we are not fixing the boy to see the dad as cool We're trying to create the dad to be as Impactful to the child so that they can communicate that coolness to them in the first place So you see the problem is not the child who's not seeing at the dad is cool But perhaps the dad doesn't know how to model himself To the boy right reach the boy to reach them to connect with the door to communicate with the boy Because again, it's not wrong to like rappers. It's not wrong to like football, right? But it's you you're the dad's responsibility to realize What is my kid into? Right and as you as you learn them that way you're able to influence them in the positive side of those things that they're into Right, what's cool and what's not because I did everything is good until you misuse it Exactly, that's really maybe the challenge. All right. I like so there's a there has been a lot of focus on the guy girl child So many nonprofit organizations so many funds directed towards the girl child But people have always forgotten about the boy child So, why do you think the boy child was forgotten in the first place? Do you think we had some form of advantage before and that made people let's focus on the girl child So they can catch up or people just think we are hardened. Yeah, we should survive What one word comes to mind? Yeah, this word patchy. Yeah, you know It's like male has been the dominant species and since time in memorial You've I don't know if you've ever heard of this conversation of why was there no female disciple, you know Like in those arguments it goes to that extent, right? So this that perception that then men have been the dominant Gender since forever right and so I think when the campaign for the girl child came I think it was in response to men are dominating so much of everything and we'd like to see a balance Because we recognize that women have as much to offer if not more, right? And I feel like so that was the spirit with which the girl child campaign came up, right? So from experience we agree that Focusing on one thing trying to balance it with the other is not the the right path We should focus on both and see how to balance how to balance. Yeah, that's right I mean you make you make a very good point a balance has to be struck because again the Issues in our society today are because our families are not strong And you see when you empower one side of the family a family is made out of you know to a man and a woman You know if you empower only the woman that means the man is going to lag behind his responsibilities He's what he needs to do is not actually met so that means You know if we the girl child has yes been empowered and so many things are being done for a girl child to be empowered Which I think is actually absolutely fantastic. What does that leave the boy child? It means that then Even in different communities like here in Africa. There's some parts, especially even here in Kenya Boys even have a band on education because what they have to go into the farms To go and provide and you see that notion I mean that environment has been created that now if even a young man isn't educated a young man isn't mentored Isn't seeing examples of how we can be able to become a real man and a refined man And then definitely there is an issue that is created in the family unit. All right So there's a theory that goes around on social media Twitter philosophers If you know them they say they claim that Leaders are a representation of a people our leaders. We've seen the way they behave especially during when they want to increase their salaries and then they want To get it, but we have seen yeah, what they do. So First yes or no, do you think there are a reflection of what is happening at Quagrao? I believe so They are leaders are representation of the people. So that is how we are as as Ken and yeah Parliament is just a small representation of what Kenya is, you know, we just have to be sincere with ourselves and sincerely introspectively evaluate even if you were to evaluate yourself, you will see some Treats that are being manifested in the leadership that are very much alive in you You see, it's just that yours are not magnified or we don't get to bring the limelight Integrity is a problem. It is Oppressing women is a problem What else is there? We have not reached the third. Yeah greed is a problem Problems identity is a problem. Identity is a problem So we have a lot of problems as country and we need to solve them from ground up Wow, many of the issues are being sold From the top coming down. I don't think that is the best It doesn't work like that. We start from down from the grass Handle the issue from the root then that's when a tree can be able to pop up don't handle the branches up there Because the root won't be affected because Parliament is only pointed at something. That's yeah, but the population is 40 million We can correct 40 billion. We definitely can correct. That's true. Wonderful Why do I watch all on Twitter what before underscore channel on Instagram invite for forum Facebook is a way to interact with us We have a question for you. Should the man be the provider in a relationship? It's not a marriage It's just a relationship in general. It could be a relationship. It could be Engagement like my brother here a coomie just the first week of dating should be the man should the man be the provider We have guys from next-gen fathers in studio right here and they're here to shed light on what we need for this next Generation of fathers. All right. So as we as some things up huh Do you have any activities coming up soon? That's right First of all just to point out that activities have mainly been physical activities and of course the pandemic has Causted that opportunity to be able to meet physically not to be possible however, we of course had to take the next step and see how can we go online and Still keep on what we're doing and our mandate. So of course now we have mentorship programs that We actually doing online and we want to actually keep on doing at the moment for the students who at home Because most of the people who come Go through our programs as students Going through school. But again, even we understand now that in March and April next year is when exams will be done Because normally at the end of the year we have what we call boys to men, which is the initiation program Circumcision so we take young boys through that process as well. Show them that this is not this is just a surgery It's not really being a man. We now teach you Yes, it's just a medical procedure But we now teach the young men to be able to know some of the traits and things about young men But then again, also we have what we call making of men camps and as well We'll also have now those physical camps. We have some pictures right here of your previous events Maybe we can touch on some of them. You tell me what was going on Because I'm pretty sure so many mothers are watching right now and so many sons have become a pain at home Especially the last seven months. So what was going on here? This was the camp we had at Lepeg last year It was a very Intense camp like we were able to take boys through some interesting experiences in the Shamba I don't know if you have those pictures. We took them to the Shamba to see some cows some chicken chase Chicken down. We're going to this is team building just showing them how to work together as a team and all that Usually very interactive Programs. All right. I like can we get more pictures, please as they find the other pictures So we another problem we have in this country is classes. Yes people tend to be People always chasing the next class Always working to be in the next class and people always discriminated against Because of what you have according to what you have is this something that you're also trying to Cup in the past. I'll attach that to the issue of identity like I said There's a problem of identity and I think classes see classicism is an aspect of that Identity crisis right because as an individual as a man, you're not defined by what you have You're not defined by the job. You have the car. You drive. None of that defines you, right? And I believe that identity stems from the issue of faith and the issue of Just knowing yourself through the lens of God and what God created you to be and who God created you to be All right And you see once you embrace that and that settles in you as your identity You see then classes isn't an issue anymore because it's not an issue. It doesn't matter if I have plenty Change you don't have my responsibility then is to share, you know, okay If if I once I know myself whether my class or low class, it's not going to affect Because you now know because every every opportunity you have every blessing you have is God's way of putting in opposition to uplift someone or putting in opposition to impact someone else But you see classicism is what comes to use that opportunity to discriminate Rather than empower wow, you see take your son to the next next gen Father's come for gems like this. Thank you very much guys for coming through before we finish. Everybody's pushing an agenda Kenyan artists are pushing an agenda play key music key music to the world. Yeah In the process we compromise a lot in terms of moral As long as it has views on YouTube, let's push Kenyan music in the process. We have so many people pushing agendas How do you make yours stand out? I'd like to know that your agenda your agenda's next-gen father's Yes, yeah, that's true. First of all, as I mentioned to you that issues are cool And we are clear on what issues want to solve which is about connecting the boy child to Godly male role models, so we connect and provide that environment for them to be able to interact with them number two we also provide and Platform for intentional mentorship. What does this lead to accountability that leads to as well? You as a boy growing up and developing over the time and the period that we will be working with you and especially with our team of mentors You have that sense of a kind of backing of a mentor or someone who you can look up to and keep on just engaging With on some of the issues of life that you're going with That's right, and we'll always be going through all is go through something and we always need something to fall back on That's right. That is hope faith What else is love? love Another important thing Graduated Certificate of achievement. This was the tournament at Skibera. This was the tournament at Skibera He was actually I think he was I think one of the top scorers. All right. Yeah. He was actually a top scorer Yeah, he is a very big feature and again as well We look at this and we see this young man Lewis O'Coth has a dream But he doesn't know perhaps how to realize this kind of dream But we want to be able to connect him with such people who can be able to help him realize his dream See it clearly and see that by the this is something possible Irrespective of my circumstances of where I'm at. Oh, right Wow, thank you very much for this and keep doing what you're doing. Thanks. We appreciate it so much Ask us your question So since you've been waiting so much You're going to ask Shoot a man This is the team now mentors Teachers, some of the board members. All right. Yeah. Okay. I see you have ladies also in the click right here Indeed and ladies in play next generation fathers. I'm pretty sure I'm very high standard Okay, shout out to them and You can say shout out later. Oh, but Should a man be the provider in a relationship, okay? It's a big of course contentious issue But I think I'm also just like a previous guest. I'm a bit traditional as well that yes I agree. Yes, the man should be a provider But what does that mean does it mean that you should have all the time? Definitely gonna lack sometimes. I believe a balance should be struck. Especially. We're going into a gen We're actually in a generation and a time where ladies have been empowered as well and have sources and streams of income So does it mean that my money is mine? Cuz my me my sisters and I we went to school the same hours of the day We were given that we went to the same school. She was not taken to a different school from me After school, we went to university together. Yeah, so there's no difference between the opportunities were the same So I don't understand how I should be though Yes, but that is just me let me get back to I will flip the script and say The man should be the provider But my question is what are you providing as a man? I feel like that we are so dominant or looking at the financial side and forgetting that these are Designated responsibility for the man as the provider and that's a God given role which cannot be shared, right? So you provide leadership you provide direction you provide vision you provide support, right? And with these things it is immaterial whether you're the one with the money or she's the one with the money It's immaterial good. So that things that are bigger than cash. Yeah, and That responsibility Fundamental the fundamental money is important. People say that money is very important. It is important However, what he's just mentioned is as well equally important like my crew. I said he's on in front of me Thank you very much guys for coming through. We appreciate you so much. Thank you How can they catch us on social media so they can keep up with you? I'm pretty sure what to throw me some The past seven months. Okay. Thank you so much for hanging out with us We are on social media and next-gen fathers on Instagram on Facebook So you can interact with us We will have even a YouTube channel coming up and we can be able to just have some interesting conversations And have you guys at home even connect with us and let us know what is your pain point and how can we together? Towards alleviating some of that pain. All right, right? No, we normally just say give us your boy and we'll give you back a refined man We have that one This is off the record. Does all the goona have a future? No, as as proud as it was Thank you very much for coming through to either morning. It has been a good time So five next-gen fathers on social media so you we can transform this country from the grassroot level a step at a time We have so many problems. All it takes is time. All it takes is TZ My name is Barry Moses or it's by my own social media. We'll be back with some more of social fight Queens Wednesday