 I started out webcamming recently on a different cam site and I was doing that while I was still going to university and kind of just slowly progressed to a point where I was like oh maybe I should try doing, you know what I mean, a video or two and see kind of how that goes and through trial and error and consistency of putting out videos soon and frequently enough I realized I could make a, I could make a business out of it. I was pushing grocery carts as a job and then slowly I would finish my shifts and I come over to his house and then I got into the, we started making videos together and started doing videos and then I branched off onto my own profile as well and then we both kind of just went from there. I think a lot of people also assume that we go to the bar a lot or we're big clubbers or you know you get that a lot they're like oh you must be or we're very promiscuous that's another common misconception I think that just because we're in porn that we're out doing and they're asking us how do you guys just do all that you're meeting all these people all the time and really just be farther from the truth. Maybe that like there's like drugs that are involved, that can be a big part of the gay community and that can be also farther from the truth. Go try it and people will be responsive, there's a niche for everybody. We're definitely figures to a lot of people so it's nice to make that personal connection with people come up to you and actually you know give you a hug, shake your hand, know that you're not just a piece of meat on camera right. Porn is a really it's an avenue you can take and you can be successful and you don't have to feel bad about it, you can feel great about it.