 Mute. Well, it's hard to talk because I just saw that film and some of you saw it earlier and they're probably in a better space, but having just seen it, I just feel this heaviness and shame and disgust and anger. And it's hard to watch. It's hard to be a member of this empire and know that we've done these things to people around the world and that at one point there were almost 800 people in that prison. I feel so grateful to Nancy and of course to Muhammadu. Grateful to you for going through that and finding love and light and life and showing us that people can go through the worst things in life and still get through them. And we know you're not through it yet, but thank you so much for being who you are and being with us tonight. And for everybody for being on and watching this because just being here means you care and you wanna do something and we'll get to that soon. I wanna thank all the groups that helped us to bring this event together, particularly Jody for all the work that you put into this and Susie who we'll hear from later, but also to all the Code Pink team who worked on this beautiful trouble, peaceful tomorrows, WikiLeaks, Women Against War, Veterans for Peace, Witness Against Torture. Witness Against Torture has done so much for so many years along with no more Guantanamo's. The Muslim Peace Fellowship, Cairo's, the Center for Religions, Rights and Social Justice, the Yemeni Alliance Committee of New York, the International Committee for Peace, Justice and Dignity, Peace Action at the New School of Manhattan, Peace Action of Wisconsin, Activists San Diego, World Beyond War, IPS, the People's Forum, Metapiece Team, United for Peace and Justice, World Camweight, Fellowship of Reconciliation. With those groups and many more, we should be able to do what President Biden says he wants to do, which is close Guantanamo. Jody. Okay, thank you, Medea. And thank you all for your activism. Like Medea said, that you show up and care and it's all about showing up in activism, so thank you. I wanna introduce my dear friend, Susie Gilbert, who has been a part of the Kudping family and traveled with us to Pakistan, I think in 2013 to bring back stories from the families of those murdered by US drone strikes. She worked with Nancy Hollander, played by Jody Foster in the film and the ACLU and many others on Mohamedu's release campaign and has since become close friends with both Nancy and Mohamedu. She's also produced several films with Oliver Stone around US imperialism and the war machine and she currently works with Tri-Continental Institute, a global South sink tank. And Susie, I turn this space over to you to start the conversation. And then if people wanna post questions in the chat, Medea and Marcy will collect them and get them to Susie. So thanks, Susie. Thanks Jody and hi everyone. Welcome Nancy. I'm not sure if I see Mohamedu yet. Can anyone see if Mohamedu is with us? I've sent him a little message, but if not, we'll just start and I'm sure he'll join us. Nancy, welcome to this amazing crowd. We suggested everyone stay on camera because we thought it'll feel more like a gathering and it'll feel a little bit more intimate because as you know, Nancy, you're with friends here. Everyone here has been out on the front lines supporting the kind of work you're doing. And so this is a really special gathering of people who've been doing the work all these years. So Insha'Allah, Mohamedu will be joining us. It's late in Mauritania and he might be putting his baby boy to sleep, I'm not sure. But I'd like to say Nancy is obviously as fabulous as Jody Foster plays her in the movie, but she's also a lot more. As Jody Foster usually says, Jody played her a little bit more like maybe a little bit more mean. Is that fair Nancy? Nancy's a lot more fun. She's a lot more funny. She's a girl's girl, an animal lover and represented another interesting case that I'm sure many people on this call have been involved with the case of Chelsea Manning. Has anyone seen if Mohamedu is on yet? Should we just all look around and see if we see him? Because I can introduce him but it'll be nice to see if he's here. Not on, I'll keep an eye out and let you know. Okay, Mohamedu, well, maybe I'll introduce him properly when he comes, but as John Kiriakou said, a comparison to Nelson Mandela feels apt. I have said to him that to me, he's a little bit like a mix between Victor Frankel, the Auschwitz survivor, as you know, who wrote Man's Search for Meaning, but meets Chris Rock, the American comedian. He really is such a profound mixture of deep and resilient, but also so funny. And he loves Chris Rock. Oh, he does love Chris Rock. Good, yes, good. Thank you, Nancy. So I guess first of all, Nancy, how are you? Where are you? How are you feeling about this whole process? You know, you're getting golden globes or this sort of stuff. How are you on this journey? And where are you? Thanks, Susie. I hope you guys can, can you hear me? Okay. I am in New Mexico in Albuquerque in my office. My wonderful poodle is right behind me, asleep. She's supposed to be guarding me because it's very quiet downtown, but I brought her in. She was outside my door. I brought her in so I could close the door. So she promptly fell asleep. Such a good guard dog as she is. And I've been doing one interview after another. Some, I mean, they've all been interesting. Yesterday, if any of you know the magazine, Mehdi Claire, which they interviewed me yesterday and the organization Suez, it was a terrific interview. And I hope it really gets wide attention because everything we're doing, as Jodi says over and over again, is to support Mohamedu. It's all about Mohamedu. It's about his movie, which is his movie based on his book. And I'm so happy to be able to do all of these interviews because everyone touches somebody else. Everyone else, somebody else watches the movie. The book came out in 2015. Mohamedu was still in prison at the time. And I signed the contract with Lloyd Levin and Bay 11 in 2015 for this movie. And we never knew at that time if Mohamedu would ever get out. We just knew we had to keep going and keep trying and keep working. So he's out now. And our next problem is how are we gonna deal with the 40 people left in Guantanamo? They have to get, that has to get resolved. And to, I've seen that there's a question about this. Can I go ahead and explain this, Susie? Sure. Okay. There are 40 people there. Six of them have been cleared for release. One of them at least was cleared for release in 2009. Two, zero, zero, nine. There was a task force at that time. It cleared people. The others have all been cleared for release by the Periodic Review Board or some other mechanism. And they, but they're still there. So they've never been charged. These are people who are known in the US as forever prisoners. What does that even mean? We don't have forever prisoners. It's bad enough that we have a life without parole and looks like Muhammadu's come in. Life without parole, which of course is not permitted in the European Union and we have the death penalty, but those are people who at least have been charged and convicted. So these people have to go, all of them. We have to, there has to be a mechanism set up like we had before in the State Department where they help them find homes that are safe for them and where they're okay and help them get started in a new life. As for the few who are charged in the military commissions, and that includes my other client, Abraheem Al-Nasri, as far as I'm concerned, we have to get rid of the military commissions. These people have to have all the due process, all the process that is due under the United States Constitution. They're entitled to everything. Due process, right to counsel, confrontation which doesn't exist in the military commissions. A speedy right to a speedy trial doesn't exist. So whatever process, if they want trials, if they want to enter into pleas, if they wanna make it prisoner exchanges, there are lots of avenues for them. If we treat them like we treat other prisoners who have been charged with crimes. And that, it's all possible. It can be done. It requires the political will to do it. And we have to remember that Obama said he'd close Guantanamo. And there's a famous case, Indian case in the U.S. And in the dissent, the judge said, the justice said, great nations like great men must keep their word. Obama did not keep his word. Mohamedu's case is a case in point. We won his habeas case. The judge ordered him released in 2009, 2010, because the government did not have sufficient evidence to hold him. And we're just talking about a civil case here. Not proof beyond a reasonable doubt. Only needs like a little bit, just boop. They didn't have it. And Obama's Justice Department appealed that case. And others, they didn't need to be appealed. They could have said no and not appealed them. So the other thing that happened, which has really caused many of these men to still be in Guantanamo that people have forgotten is there was, and I don't remember what year it was, but it was during Obama's term, there was a man who tried to light his underwear on fire over Detroit, okay? They caught him. He was Nigerian. He was trained in Yemen by a Yemeni who actually came from Las Cruces, New Mexico. But he was Yemeni. Obama said, no Yemenis go home. And many of these people are Yemeni. Sorry, I don't know the exact number today, but it's easy enough to find out. They're Yemenis. So we have to, some of them have families with resources who are willing to go to other countries and are able to go to other countries. Some of them have no resources. Yemen, of course, I'm so glad I was there in 2009. It barely exists anymore. It's a huge humanitarian tragedy. But it can all be done if President Biden will speak out of only one side of his mouth, and that is close Guantanamo and indefinite detention provide due process, end of it. That's my- Yeah, here, here. That's where I want us to go now. Thank you, Nancy, here, here, beautifully said. Wanted to welcome Mohamedu. Welcome to your international living room. These are all friends, allies who've been on the streets over the last 19 years. Thank you for joining us late in Mauritania. I think it's about 10, 20 to 11 for you. So I just wanted to say, please say hi. How are you doing? How are you feeling? And over to you. Thank you very much. I really feel the warmth of the family. And big shout out to Jody, you know, the Jody, the first Jody, I would say. And... Because we have Jody. And media, media is one of the faces that you could never miss. You can ask any detainee. There is no news outlet who does not know media because media is, he's a... He's a crashing every parties there is, you know. And she did, she never asked for permission. That's why we know her. And, you know, Susy, thank you very much for inviting us and I like your dressing in the spirit of the organization. Yep. I wish I could pull off something like this. Yeah, we'll see you in pink next time, Muhammad Riyadh. We have a shirt we will send you. Thank you so much. I gladly, I will wear it. I don't care, I will wear it and send you a picture. So, I mean, look, I really think that it's not even fair that she started before me. But the fact of the matter is this, when the United States says that you are guilty, you are guilty for all intents and purposes and there is no changing it. And I have a problem with that but I have a bigger problem when the whole world is conspiring to support the United States in its complete disrespect to the rule of law. And to be honest, and I say this over and over, the notion that only American citizens are worthy of dignity and human rights is a fascist idea. This is not the first time that we single out a lot of people and we said those people are worthy of more rights than others. And we know this is a trick because we know when you disrespect the human rights of one human being as the late Reverend said, we respect disrespect the human rights of everyone because this is just a trick. And to this day, even though like Nancy said, there is the government in spite of torturing taking me away from my home. I was working. I was not in Afghanistan fighting the Americans. I was thousands of people. I was thousands of miles sitting in Mauritania trying to make ends meet in a very bad situation because I was in law and on instruction on demands from the American government then. And the last thing I saw from my mother, this image is still seared in my head as I pulled away as you saw in the movie. That what happened. And actually in that very place before that very door because they insisted, given insisted that we should make the movie as close to reality as possible. And he did it. And that image of my mother praying, holding her private and hoping against hope that I would come one day. I never forget that. I never came back. I never saw my mom. I never had the chance to say goodbye to my mother. I never had the chance to agree. I grieve in myself alone very after many days. And same thing happened when my father died. In spite of, as we know now from record that at least since 2005, since 2005, the US government knows conclusively that I was not or I couldn't do their own words or closer to it. There is no evidence I was involved in any attacks against the United States of America. But in spite of that, they coldly left me in Guantanamo Bay to rat and waste my youth. When my family needs me, when the world needs me, when I need myself to build my life and to start a family. They left me because it cost to them, a human cost. And you ask why they appealed, why they even hold me. You cannot hold people. I mean, they keep saying this stuff, but people go to America. People go to Europe. People go to the West because they want freedom. They want freedom. They want to enjoy. They want to see what they want to see. They want to support. And like I said to this day, I have no freedom. I was denied to promote my movie twice to the UK. And I'm preaching to the choir because Nancy and Sue are the one who championed my invitation to the United Kingdom. And twice they said, no, you are not conductive to the power of something. This is very exciting. When I have nothing in my life, the love for the people of the United Kingdom, they supported me. They bought and they sponsored my book and they read it in theaters. And this is like to say, I'm a mentally sick person. And this is another thing. If I was there, they should treat me. And yes. And to Germany too. To this day, I'm not able to join my family and live with my son and my wife, Kitty. So I said it all. I married to my American wife, Kitty. And I say this. People say, why did you marry an American woman? I don't know. And I always listen to the only witness who could go to court are American people. That's all. No other reason. I swear. And I have my son, Ahmed. I'm very happy. And I'm fighting. This is my jihad. My jihad is that the people in this part of the world, namely in Africa and in the Middle East, enjoy the same damn ride that you enjoy in the United States of America, that you enjoy in the United Kingdom. We are no less of human being as you are. And you want the same ride. No kidnapping. No like business as usual. No. If you think you don't like my face, you take me to court. And you ask the jihad. If they put me in prison, bad luck. If they don't, you have nothing to do with me. Mohamedu, a lot of people are asking, can you explain a little bit about what is the situation with your incomplete freedom right now? We're obviously in a room where there are over 140 organizers, campaigners who want to be knowing what should they be doing. So Mohamedu and then Nancy, can you just lay out for us what are the forces that are impeding your travel and what can we be doing? Perhaps Mo first and then Nancy. Or Nancy first if you want. Nancy, do you want to go first? Let me go first. Yeah, you go first. I'll go first. We're working. Mohamedu was only able to get a visa so far to South Africa and South Africa welcomed him and me and we were together there. We had a delightful time on the set of the movie. We both got pretty bored because making movies is hard work and they do the same thing over and over. And they wanted us to enjoy ourselves. So we went together and we saw the penguins and we went to Robin Island and we had a great time. And I'm thankful to South Africa that it did not get cowed by the U.S. But Kitty, Mohamedu's wife, moved to Germany, thought that they would be able to unite there. You know, I'm certain that all of you know this, but let me make sure there is a law in the U.S. that Congress passed that no one who has been or is in Guantanamo can ever go to the United States. Okay? Now, in Guantanamo, the U.S. Ambassador to Mauritania invited Mohamedu in. And Mohamedu actually went into the U.S. Embassy, which I think is quite ironic, to help them. They have an English teaching course and he was helping them. And the U.S. Ambassador put it on Facebook. And the British ambassadors to Guantanamo, to Mauritania have been very supportive to Mohamedu. The German Ambassador has been supportive, but we believe that the U.S. has influenced both the Home Secretary in the U.K. and in Germany. Now, the Home Secretary in England is as bad as Trump ever was. She's really, really horrible. And she denied it the first time based on Wikipedia. Wikipedia says you joined Al Qaeda. Well, yes. And the second time too, although now she's at least admitted that Mohamedu did not lie on his application when he said he had not joined a terrorist organization. He was involved in Al Qaeda in 1990 to 1992. The same time, the United States and the U.K. were supporting Al Qaeda, which was then the Mujahideen. So we're making this point. We're going forward in the U.K. We're going to appeal to the High Court. We have two wonderful lawyers, Daniel Furrier and Furner and Simon Cox, a solicitor and a barrister. They're working pro bono. We're raising money to pay the costs in case we lose because we have to have that secured. And I think as of today, we will have it secured. And so we will go forward there. We will rely on Daniel and Simon to tell us what other people can do. We have to not just go off on our own. If anyone comes up with an idea of what you can do, let me know. I'm happy to then be the point person. I'll talk to Daniel and ask them whether this is helpful because it's up to them to decide what is helpful and what isn't. We have all the information we need factually to support our position. So that's the U.K. We're also going forward in Germany. That's the U.K. And is very helpful. And and the U.K. has lawyers in Germany and has the help of the what's it, what's it? European ECCC or I never can get straight. It's for human rights. Is that the one? Yeah. Yeah ECCR Wolfgang collects organization. And Andreas, who's a lawyer there is very helpful. providing everything that they need. Mohamedu and I have provided it again. If you have any think you can have any impact in Germany, let us know and we will talk to the lawyers about what's helpful and what isn't helpful in going forward. But we intend to continue to move in both of those and anywhere else. If you saw the movie, you saw that at the end, we ask if there's any country that will accept Mohamedu, Kitty and Ahmed. So he's got his citizenship as Mauritanian. Kitties and the babies are U.S. and but the U.S. is out. We're not even going there at this point. We'd like Congress to get rid of that, but I think that's not a good position for us to take at this point. I think we focus on the U.K. in Germany. That's what I believe Mohamedu wants to do also and we welcome all ideas. I'm never burdened by anything. Let's just come up with whatever you come up with and we'll talk about it and see if it's helpful. We appreciate and you know, I have to say, I just appreciate this family so much. Susie of course is my dear, dear friend. Jody, Medea, both of whom I see that Charlotte is on here, Charlotte Phillips. Maybe there's other people I know, but if I didn't know you before, I feel like I know you now. So thank you to all of you for this support for Mohamedu and for the other people in Guantanamo. And finally, to make sure there aren't any more Guantanamo's anywhere or black sites anywhere, anywhere by any country. So I turn it over to Mohamedu for whatever I missed. I mean, like Nancy said, this is she just explained it so well, you know, and I just want to tell you guys something that I'm putting myself out, you know, because there are so many people who are afraid to talk because they live in fear. And Nancy can tell you about this. She was so protective of me when I started to speak and I started to speak when I was the next day I went out of Guantanamo Bay. I said, where is my passport? Where is my freedom? I want my freedom. And I said, why? And I kept saying this, you know, because I really want freedom because, you know, freedom is very important to a person, you know. I don't want, you know, like, to be given money and instead of my freedom. I don't want that. I don't want my freedom, even if I live on, you know, without a roof. And then the thing is, I know about, you know, I know about who are so afraid and their circumstances don't even allow them to talk because they could be disappeared again. And this all because unfortunately some elements, and I say some elements, not everybody in the US government are writing letters, you know, under the colors of the United States of America to other countries. Thank you, Mohammed. Go ahead. Sorry. All I'm saying is that we're going, we're doing all this fast and we may never achieve anything because I'm not a person. I don't have like weapons. I don't have the police. I don't have like the CIA. I don't have the FBI. I cannot kidnap people and I cannot kill them. And I don't have a prison to hold them. All I have is the law. And I'm going to use every last bit of it to the veteran. And if I lose, I will sip my gin and juice and stay in Mauritania with no guilt feeling and no regrets whatsoever. Thank you, Mohammed. I wanted to see if our very special guest, John Kariaku is here because he had something to say to you, Mohammed. He gave, he made some beautiful comments about you when you weren't here. Is John back? There are a couple of Johns on, but I don't know if John K is on. Does anyone know if John is on? I'm not seeing him. Okay. Well, he'll, he'll make those comments to you directly, Mohammed. It was, it was, it was pretty amazing, but he's a, you know, you guys will have a, have a chat privately. Next question, well, one question that a lot of people are also asking is what does Biden have to do to close Guantanamo? Does Nancy, do you want to take that? Sure. You know, there, there are people working with, with the Biden administration. Let's just put it that way. And there are organizations working with the Biden administration. And he, all he has to do, in my view, and this may be naive, is set up the State Department envoy that he, that we had before this organization that looked at every single prisoner and tried to figure out what to do with them. That's for all of the quote, forever prisoners. As to the others, it's a more complicated process. What, what is he going to do? Are we going to get rid of the military commissions? They can't come to the U.S. to be tried unless Congress changes that law. So I'm not sure I know exactly. I'm just, I believe it's possible. I know there are organizations and people working on the inside, working with his task force, working with the various people. And we'll just, you know, we just have to keep putting pressure on him to say it's got to close like Mohamedu did. Everyone else should, anyone who's got senators or congressmen who might be the least bit sympathetic, push them to push the president. If anyone has any way to get directly to the president, I don't, but I believe that there are others that do. Jody, by the way, Jody Foster and Kevin McDonald, Kevin's the director, both gave statements on Amnesty International because I saw it on my Twitter feed saying to close Guantanamo, both of them. Amnesty is working very, right with us with the film. Of course, the ACLU has represented Mohamedu with us Shamsi and the ACLU. The ACLU were part of our defense from about 2009 forward, starting with the, really starting with the hearing we had in front of Judge Roberts in the second half of that hearing. And they're working to close Guantanamo. So we just have to keep up that pressure. That's not an area that I'm particularly good at, the diplomatic stuff. But I am working and focusing my efforts primarily on getting Mohamedu's visas, making sure everybody sees this movie and that Guantanamo comes back into the public consciousness. And then we all can work and focus Biden. And of course, I always also want you to know that Mohamedu has written a second book, Ahmed and Zarga. And it's a wonderful little novel. It's uplifting. It's funny. It's interesting. He started it when he was in Guantanamo. I was reading it while my co-counsel Terry Duncan, Terry and I did this case together side by side. And Terry was working on a motion of something. I just remember she kept saying, you know, it's not fair. You're reading this book and I'm working on this. And I said, well, I have to read it to make sure we want to send it to the privilege team so that we can get it out. So I better read the whole thing. And besides, I'm worried about this camel. I'm afraid he's never going to find his camel. That book we did get out. Mohamedu has made it into a book. I urge you to read it because it's just, it's really a delightful little book. But that's where we are. Somebody asked the question about, and maybe Mohamedu can answer this if you'd like, Susie. Why can't Kitty and Ahmed live with you in Mauritania? So Kitty lives and works in Germany and Kitty, Mauritania does not love two nationalities, global citizenship. And Kitty does not want to give up her American citizenship. I don't know why. Go figure. But I give it. And anyway, and it's also in Germany, there are more, more chances for Kitty to find job and find work, you know. She's an international lawyer. And that is an international opinion. The movie, someone else asked about the distribution of the movie. It's coming out in the UK and France in April, April 1. It's coming out in Iceland, a few other places, Germany in June. I don't have, I know there may be a couple other places. They'll start to populate. It was in the theaters, it may still be in a theater somewhere. It's now on Amazon Prime, YouTube, various other platforms, you do have to pay for it. Eventually it will cost less than eventually be free. But for now, you have to pay for it. You know, the film has to make some money. We'd like Mohamedu to make some money. And that's, that's how you see it. I've seen the French version with French subtitles. And I haven't seen the German version yet. But I know it will be out in many, many other countries. Medea's asking Nancy if you feel Jodie Foster represented you well. Thank you, Medea. Jodie says she, she was meaner than I am. You can ask Mohamedu, he doesn't think she was meaner than I was. But she explains that the movie, movies need an art. Nobody's, nobody's interested in someone who's just always sweet and nice and everything. You learn everything the first day of the movie. So she, she did make me meaner at the beginning and then made me nicer toward the end. But, you know, I knew it. I was helping with this movie and I was fine with it. I think she captured me well. I think that I can be a bit snarky, like she shows with the guards when I said I don't want to see my client in shackles ever again. You know, I would have said, I don't, I didn't have to say that one. But there are other things that I would have said. So the one thing I would never do is walk out on the client and say if you don't tell me your story, I'm leaving. I wouldn't do that. And when Terry's character, Terry really took a hit for this movie. Terry is now an accomplished death penalty lawyer. She doesn't care whether anyone's guilty or innocent. I can tell you that. But in the movie, I kick her out. And she doesn't leave. I kick her out. And I will say I wouldn't do it the way Jody did it. But I would say to someone who questioned that, I think you should reconsider whether you should be a criminal defense lawyer. And you're not going to be a part of this case. The ending words to that bit, you've got to believe your own shit. Those are my words. And I do believe that when you're representing someone, you've got to really get into it. We sometimes call it trial psychosis. You can have a case that's the worst possible and you say, well, we can win this. And you have to get in there and believe that. So those were my words that I had told Jody and she picked up on. So you could ask Muhammad what he thinks. Yeah, Muhammad, same question. Do you think Jody did Nancy justice? And how do you feel Taha did with you? First, I joke with Nancy and tell her, I tease Nancy. Yeah, she just, she just did justice a hundred percent. That's how I, but I can tell you guys today that Nancy had she's all good. You know, she's of course tough with the law and everything. And she remembers everything, you know, she does not forget anything, you know, and she's excellent. Obviously, she does not read my testimony over that, you know, but, you know, I think they look alike, you know, I think she, she, she shows a lot of the way she had. And she said, at least across the table, that's how I saw her across the table. Except the mean part, that's not Nancy. Muhammad, I wanted to ask you something. There was a New Yorker piece about you, as you know, and for folks who haven't read it, it's about Muhammad and it won the Pulitzer Prize. So there's a movie that's two books, three books. Muhammad has written two versions of one. But at the end of this long New Yorker piece that won the Pulitzer about you, there was a little sentence that stuck out at me and it said, you know, Muhammad doesn't have his full freedom. He can't travel, but he also doesn't have full freedom of expression. I wondered what you thought about that and how you feel about that now. I'm writing letters, books, movies, documentary, but how do you feel? Do you feel that comment? About your freedom of expression, of emotion? Do you remember that line? So Susie, I want to say a little bit, but you have something in your room that is interfering with your mind. You have to move it away. Something interfering with my mic. Okay, good. If I say or anyone that married in this part of the world, if we express anger, they say, oh, this guy is dangerous and they bring that to court. I know that because I was in court and one of the questions they asked me, did you watch violent movies? Did you watch jihadi movies? Did you read jihadi magazines? I don't know. And I was with the guards. All the guards, most of it, 90% of what they saw in Guantanamo Bay are very violent movies, very vicious, killing, raping, murder, you know, all kinds of violent stuff. I was like, why they asked me about this stuff? Why? You know, and like, you know, you have always like, you know, you have always like to tip toe around foreign policy of the United States. If you talk about it like candidly, he said, no, this guy is a terrorist. You know, he's like enemy of the United States. You know, and you have always to be a member of the tribe. Thank you. Is that, is that welcome? Muhammad, I realize it's late with you. So we'll, we'll start. Take your phone away from the mic. I think it's your phone. You take your phone away from the mic. Yeah, exactly. It's your technology. How dare you say that? Susie, we are saying in Mauritanian, it says, where black people live, white people commit no crimes. This is a Mauritanian. Bravo. Really good. That's really good. I will, I will plagiarize that. That's really good. I'm sorry you're hearing my interference. So I won't speak too much longer. Would you, would anyone not like to ask any final questions? Somebody's saying, Mohamedu, can we get you on Oprah? I know that. Will I win a car? Will you get a car? We can arrange it. It's a shitty car. I want good car. You've become such a diva. Oh, Trevor Noah. Yeah, Trevor Noah. Okay, some of these things a couple of people weren't muted. Nancy, any final comments from Nancy? I just want to thank all of you for being here, for listening to us. I know we didn't answer all the questions, but I've been looking at them. Yes, what Mohamedu said in that final video where he talks to the judge is true. It was taken, you know, it was really a direct and cross examination, but it was taken from the transcript pretty, pretty directly. And I think that he did say pretty much most of that. Where do you find an unredacted, somebody said book in English? The Restored Edition is available. I know it's on Amazon. I'm sure it's in bookstores. It's called the Restored Edition. I had nothing to do with restoring it, if anyone's questioning. I can't admit or deny that Mohamedu got any of it right, but Mohamedu did it and it's called the Restored Edition. And it's worth reading because of the way they restored it. You know, I just want to thank everyone and we have a long way to go in this country and in this world for there to be peace in the world. We are going in that direction. It doesn't seem like we are day to day, but I believe that the world is getting safer. I believe that we are learning more about how to live on this planet and live with the animals on this planet. My dog is right behind me and I love you all and thank you. Thank you Nancy. Mohamedu, I mean this is a sort of the fundamental question is from actually Trudy Sentness about the question about how do you find love, peace, and forgiveness? And I just want to give a little bit of extra context. Mohamedu, well actually can you speak about the scholarship you were given and how that came about and then speak to the question about love, peace, and forgiveness please. So the scholarship, you mean the coaching scholarship? Yes, so this Canadian Academy contacted me out of the blue as far as I'm concerned and they said whether I was interested in going to school for life course because I qualified for that. I said yes and I completely enjoyed it and so far I'm helping a lot of people but I'm failing to do the business because I don't know how to do the business part you know but inshallah I'm planning on doing it and if anyone in this and I could I could I try and there squeeze them in my Canada and for these people I'm doing it for free and as a thank you that's it you know it gives me you know happiness and gives me balance in my life you know and as I speak to people and I hear their problem I take them also about my problem I share with them that they helped me so fair to take their money. Thank you Mohamedu. I actually want to ask Nancy one last question and then we're going to go to Marsha who's going to tell us what we can be doing in the call to action um but Nancy just one last question can you tell us about that uh drawing that Mohamedu did of you that's in your home that very special drawing? Yes Mohamedu took an art course in Guantanamo and in addition to all of his other talents it turns out he can draw and he drew this this picture of me and I really prize it because partly for the drawing and partly for what he says in it which is something to the effect of all the pain and suffering is worth it to having met you and I mean it I can't even say it without crying. Mohamedu and I have become so close over these years we are family he and my son consider themselves brothers his baby is my godchild there's a saying and I don't know where it came from or even if it's true I mean if I don't know I heard it somewhere that says that if you save someone's life you're responsible for them forever and I think I am responsible for Mohamedu forever especially since I now am responsible for the baby Ahmed and um you know it's just it's wonderful to be able to see him uh outside uh the first but if you you want to know how funny Mohamedu is I arrived can I can I say one more thing I arrived in in Mauritania one day after he did okay he'd been out for one day maybe two and I arrived there I had to fly from Albuquerque to somewhere to Paris to the two Mauritania it took forever well this is the Islamic state of Mauritania so I was wearing a long dress long sleeves and I had a scarf and I put it on right and Mohamedu walks up to me and his first words to me were Nancy there is no dress code here and I said dude how about hello thanks I'm free and he just left he just left that's Mohamedu right Mohamedu am I right yes uh unfortunately we are Bedouins we don't have like a good etiquette well then they gave me a mala what's it called um malafa well what am I saying it well malafa right and and so from then on I wore them but they're so it's six yards of material I mean it's so hard to figure out how to do that as I left the hotel every morning there was a the woman who ran the hotel brought me into her office and redid it for me every morning before I left um but you know in in Mauritania men Mohamedu would fix it for me his lawyer fixed it for me I mean there's just it was so special so special being there and um although he wants to leave I I I'll go back I'll be back in Mauritania well it sounds like a lot of the people on this call are going to be joining you Nancy because it sounds like there's a code pink delegation uh being currently organized so wow you're there we encourage everyone house bringing down the house do you would folks like to unmute and let's just hey admiration absolutely thank you so much don't want anybody to leave because it's a code pink event until um we've told you what how you can take action and if we could put a spotlight on Marcy um Marcy's gonna tell us not only how we can take action now but how we can be taking action together on zoom every week um Marcy hey Marcy yeah thank you and thank you so much Mohamedu and Nancy and Susie and Jodi and everybody involved Medea in organizing this event it's really a heartfelt and inspiring and I'm sure that we all want to do as much as we possibly can you might want to take the fork out of the warmer drawer and put it on the frying pan I'm sorry to unmute yourself great I sure we all want to do whatever we can you know I I once met this woman and I thanked her for something and and she said you know what Marcy I can't do everything but what I can do I do right uh and I think that's something that we can always uh mind ourselves up so every Tuesday night with Medea and my friend Hania we host Code Pink Congress I just put it in the um in the chat and Mary maybe you can check to make sure I did that correctly uh Code Pink Congress you can also google it uh we start at 5 p.m specific time 8 eastern time and we focus on demilitarization and progressive foreign policy we've had uh terrific shows last week we focused on Cuba on normalizing relations with Cuba and Representative Jim McGovern was one of our guests along with the lawyer Jose Pertierra uh terrific and Danny Glover joined us as well we've had uh zooms on justice for Palestine hearing from Palestinian Americans as well as representatives of Jewish voice for peace challenging the adoption possible adoption of the international Holocaust Remembrance Alliance definition of anti-Semitism as criticism of Israel and Zionism we've also had shows with Barbara Lee a great great congresswoman from California and Mark Pokan from Wisconsin on their house spending reduction caucus and we hope to revisit Guantanamo again uh in the next few weeks next week we'll be talking about Venezuela the importance of lifting the sanctions on Venezuela and that show will be hosted by Michelle Elner who is one of the coordinators of our Latin American campaign and Leo Flores who's also with Code Pink and another coordinator of that campaign will be joining us so in short I invite you all every Tuesday night if you haven't already joined us please do go to Code Pink Congress you can google it it's easy to jump on and do join us on Tuesday nights we follow we usually have at least two speakers on a topic followed by a Q&A like we did here and then we end with an action we were all taking part in some action focused on the policy or the legislation that we were talking about in terms of what we discussed today I would really I've posted a few times in the chat and Mary you can post post it again please do sign the Code Pink petition and write to the White House that you want Biden to move swiftly on closing Guantanamo on choosing that envoy that Nancy referenced on deciding who is going to oversee this process and eliminating these military commissions and on and on right so we need to be vocal with Biden and also I don't know how many of you are on Twitter but Jake Sullivan is on Twitter and he is the national security advisor to President Biden and so it's really important that we send him a message as well. Madi anything else do you want to add about Code Pink Congress? Well that on March 16th we're going to focus on Guantanamo. Yeah we're going to focus again on Guantanamo and talk more about what we can do in the current state of affairs there so the action together. Yeah and I hope to see you all on Code Pink Congress. Thank you everyone for joining us thank you to all our partners thank you Mary Ariel and Emily and Medea and Marcy for having our backs with all this technology and please share that this movie tells the truth that needs to be told we need to change the stories out there and please share with friends and ask them to watch and you'll be able to watch this again on YouTube if you want to share it also with friends thank you for all you do for peace and justice. Thank you. Thank you thank you. Can I meet again and say goodbye to everybody. Thank you thank you thank you this was an incredible program thank you very much everyone. I'm going to sign up from now on to go to Mauricio Ania. Yes I mean yeah thank you so much Nancy you are you are one of the best human being on this planet. Yes.