 All right, I'd like to call to order the August 2021 meeting of the Sherbrooke and Coney Board of Supervisors Are we in certified in compliance with the open meeting law? We are the agenda was posted on August 12th at 3 p.m. Next item of business is roll call supervisor Montemay or are you present supervisor Wagner? Here Thank you one more check with supervisor Montemay or Supervisors present next is the approval of the July 19th 2022 journal supervisor Brower the motion to approve Thank You supervisor Brower. Is there a second supervisor Pro check? I will support that motion Thank You supervisor Pro check under discussion Assuming supervisor Ellis and Gearing were chiming into the do the second supervisor Wagner all those in favor of the Journal please vote Yes Max's presentations we have none public addresses We have eight The first is Jim Davies of Usberg speaking on the airport FBO all eight are speaking on the FBO is Jim here Okay, I've been asked to address FBO scenario at the airport and Over the years FBO that's currently working there as in giving us pilots and Aviators any services? So when this subject came up I got all excited years in an airplane on field to rent there's not a Student training on the field So I and then talking to At air venture at night in a circle with guys talking about what may be going on here with FBO People got all excited we have no services at the Shebaun County Airport right now and it's been kind of a negative thing, so I Just want to say that what I've heard about the county getting involved that Looks like we can make many many improvements there Fuel prices for those of us that fly We check for flight or whatever to check fuel prices Do we really want to buy from Shebaun County Airport? So then I said well there's Hartford and different ones that are very low in comparison. They have no services But then the next guy says neither does Shebaun County Airport have services. So what does that have to do with anything with fuel prices? So I'm just speaking in favor of making a change out there Next up Gary grit of Shebaugin Falls Hi, my name is Gary grift. I live in N4473 Vantrick Trail in town of Lima and I have been a owner of a hangar out at airport for 25 years I also have a hangar up in Sturgeon Bay for 20 years and Through his years, I've seen a lot of changes at the FBO in Shebaugin So I'm in support of a needed change at the airport at the FBO FBO for following reasons one my partner in the airplane Fies a Contract pipeline patrol three times a month. So he goes through all of Wisconsin and into Illinois And I ride along with him about half the times We make two stops one in Kenosha and one in Jamesville both FBO is I gotta say they greet us with a smile and They give us a Cup rating price at both the airports It is a good feeling and they're a privately run FBO And we do take advantage that before we come back to Shebaugin And I talked with the owner. I was also on an original Start up for the flight flying club out at the airport and I sold it off and so I'd call up Elden Elsie Who is the owner now? And he says he's purchased over $50,000 worth of fuel in the last year But he's only bought $5,000 worth of fuel on that Shebaugin He's been dissatisfied Mostly it's because of the pricing. That's what they're and Up in the FBO in Sturgeon Bay. We're at my other hangar I've been always happy With it pleased with the experiences up there at the FBO and that's the county run airport FBO Always had the good services and always been satisfied So I hope in Shebaugin we can I think that the county can also run it as well as your county runs theirs Next Raymond Severs My name is Raymond Severs 61 30 95th Avenue Kenosha, Wisconsin When I had lunch today, somebody asked me what FBO stands for and And you know a layperson really don't really understand I'm sure think everybody in this room knows what FBO really is Because I Operate five airplanes. I'm based out of Kenosha and I come here often Least a half dozen times a month over the last decade But I'm no longer able to park on The boroughs ramp. I've been barely kicked off of it I think the main reason why is the economics weren't there for the FBO for me to be keep going there Come in for Kenosha. I don't need a lot of fuel But back to my question over lunch. What's an FBO? There are the people that take care of me you anybody in this room that flies I Knew about seven years ago when I before I got kicked off to ramp Something wasn't healthy But I was charged three hundred dollars As some of you in this room, I know it's totally out of line and Then I knew that something there so let's Can go back down to a business cycle And as you know, this is high season where offers and everybody that comes into here corporates Come back here low season say after New Year's there's nothing really There and I think that's what's been the problem is The FBO is just striving to survive the current operator Is the cash flow is either high in the summer and really down in the basement? during the winter Because there's no rental sales and sales of aircraft. There's no charter all they get their money from is servicing laboratories on the aircraft or Cleaning or fuel sales, and I think that's why the fuel sales are out of hand I can't stress enough the importance of this meeting tonight. I really believe no matter the outcome at least we're talking about it And I commend Mindy Smith I believe is the operator of the boroughs. I commend her because I could not do that job Because as I mentioned the business cycle is so uneven. I don't know how this woman Has any degree of a balance sheet? Especially on the off-season. I like to commend Matthew Gnobel the current manager of the airport He's approachable He loves aviation And he listens and I I'd like to have me a Kenosha because that's not the case at Kenosha My airplane right now is that at the airport and probably it's gonna be dark when I get there, but It's a park next to the museum And there's gonna be no services there. So if I walk out tonight and the tires flat or of a dead battery I'm stuck And again back to my lunch Somebody asked me what FBO is Maybe tonight I would need an FBO to help me and it's not there But I can't thank you enough for this opportunity Next is Jacob Smith Yeah, for noon. I'm Jacob Smith address 1918 North 9th Street. You need a Sheboygan, Wisconsin I'm a Sheboygan citizen that has been employed as a line technician at Rose Aviation for the past year and a half I love my job and have excelled at it. I've become very experienced in management Customer service and fueling and servicing aircraft my team and I go above and beyond To ensure that our customers flying into Sheboygan as well as our corporate clients receive exceptional service I've done everything from coming in at 4 a.m. For a cold fueling to staying till 1 a.m. To assist customers arriving late I take pride in my job and my work ethic and Was especially proud of our team after another successful NASCAR event that went off without a hitch I was then very surprised and concerned to hear that the transportation committee had made an FBO proposal Was voting to repeal six section 61.03 clause two Longing them to compete against us. Due to my interest in the matter I attended July 15th, which my concerns and in search of answers Answers I received were questionable to say the least The board referred to the plans as an FBO takeover further raising my concerns of the ethicality of the proposal A takeover by definition is a hostile approach to absorb control of an operation Hearing that a government entity was trying to take over where I was employed was alarming So I dug into the proposal pamphlet analyzing the financial estimates hoping to make some sense of their intentions I was unable to it was addressed by mr. Payne that over the past two decades over 36 million taxpayer dollars have been spent on the County Airport it was then stated that as a result of this spending Sheboygan taxpayers must still subsidize the airport's losses Only in the hundreds of thousands of dollars annually The answer to this was to spend over three point one million dollars more of taxpayer dollars to put Burroughs aviation out of business And it was noted that it's not unusual for municipalities to own FBO's those This is factual. What's being overlooked is that many of these municipality owned FBO's were acquired during an economic downturn And many of the FBO's had run into financial trouble. This is not the case for Burroughs aviation It is also stated that Sheboygan County Airport previously had two FBO's and what wasn't shared was that when both these FBO's were in competition with each other Neither had the capacity be profitable as there's not enough revenue opportunities at the airport to support two FBO's Then I did some math of the three point one million dollar budget for this proposed FBO One point three million dollars of that will be located to an annual operating expense and the total estimated annual revenue Once a hundred percent of the fuel sales are achieved meaning Burroughs is out of business is projected at one point four million dollars resulting in only 70,000 annual dollars profit a two point one percent return on a three point one million dollar investment Leaving the Sheboygan taxpayers with a great deal of financial risk and little to no return or reduction of annual losses In fact, it appears that if Burroughs aviation has successfully put out business Sheboygan County taxpayers will be losing additional revenue. They already have an extended year losses further This makes little to no fiscal sense and assuming that these are the best numbers that Mr. Payne Advisors could come up with our events like Ryder Cup and Ascar factor in these projected revenues If so, these are events are unfortunately unlikely to repeat and should be reduced out of their projections for more accurate comparisons Something that you may not know also is that before my Mindy Smith got a loan from Hiawatha Bank to Purchase Burroughs She seek to approval from the transportation committee Approval is granted by the committee With them being well aware of their intent to change the ordinances and to compete and ultimately put Miss Smith and Burroughs Aviation out of business in my opinion and many others. This is unethical Mindy Smith is not only a dang good boss. She's a dang good mom and I'm her son and She served our country for over two years in the Air Force and makes annual contributions to Salvation Army and the food bank and many other terrible Foundations she has the biggest heart I love her to death and I'm not gonna sit on the sidelines and watch as she gets pushed out of business and my tax dollars expense That's why I published a petition voicing my distaste for the pre-op proposal that since garnished over 450 signatures of Sheboygan citizens who also disapprove so I'm speaking to the county board as a Sheboygan citizen as an employee of Burroughs as a concerned son That you take into consideration why I've disclosed to you before you vote on this FBO takeover I just want to let you guys know that I appreciate what you do and as county board supervisors and you guys play a crucial role in decisions made for the community and Thanks for taking your time to listen to me and thanks for your time Next we have a wingrove. Good evening They wingrove 31 22 North 7th Street Sheboygan I am a business owner and long-term resident of Sheboygan County. I Have been involved with the airport mainly in a volunteer capacity serving on the aviation heritage center and My family my brother is a pilot and my family has long roots with the county Airport the Sheboygan County Airport was founded with People in our county that just stepped up business owners that said we need an airport And that's the foundation of what's created our county-owned airport today There are a long list of companies and names the brats is the ball rest that have Significantly put money into that airport over time That airplane that's out there in the main entryway. We haven't seen it. That was donated by Terry fall out There's a lot of cool stuff out there. Most of these pilots and you know, whether they're for or against this I know they they they love flying They love that this is part of their community and they want nothing but the best and You know, I'm hearing changes needed But I'm also but I'm also very well aware and I I guess I'd like to to ask if I can ask our board members Has have if they have received the letter from a local corporation Windway regarding their their stance on this situation May I ask that? So my question would be if you have received a letter from windway Relating to their stance on this that wasn't provided by me that I sent out to a few people. Could you please raise your hand? Okay, I'm sorry to hear that I'm sorry that no one has received this letter because there was a strong opposition By one of the there's not a lot of corporate aircrafts out there So if nothing else I asked that this be tabled From the standpoint that you should have that access to this letter that was sent out by one of our major employers in Sheboygan County who for the second time Was not adequately represented when she sent a letter to the board so in this situation she has is adamantly opposing the Operated fixed based by the county that takeover Her family and her business has owned a hangar at the airport for over a half of a century so Basically what we have here again is we know probably some changes need it But do we want to take the airport which which was really created by business owners? by people in our community that stepped up and Put that together and just say let's give it to the county You know the county owns the land they lease the property They get a payment it's sitting in the budget as like miscellaneous revenue last I looked and Do we want to take the business and give it to them the fixed-based business now? We have that we have we have Rocky Noel, which is a business in essence that competes We spend a million in taxpayer dollars at least from the 21 CAF report a million in taxpayer dollars for that Organization all right, so we're saying we're going to take the county run FOB and we're going to make money on that to reduce the tax levy Tell me if you know any situation where the government will do it better and cheaper No cut on our government, but tell me because it's just not panned out in reality Government is going to do it faster better cheaper. It doesn't happen and that's what we're saying we're going to do We're going to save taxpayer dollars with this resolution We're going to make it better than what private enterprise can provide and I don't I don't buy that it doesn't pan out the owner of the The company the lot one of the larger companies in our community said that this is a waste of taxpayer Resources for our county to build a second FBO. You will be putting the existing FBO out of business now Again, and maybe change is needed, but this resolution Doesn't really address the change. It just says we're going to do it better. We're going to do it better so I Guess if you vote for this resolution, you're going to say we should take over things We should take over maybe even the Marsh bar, you know, because we lease them land We can make some money off of food. We already have a nursing home that we take taxpayer dollars for so in the end We need change. We get that we're hearing that from people but is it going to make sense for us to take over a Privately owned enterprise. It's been that way forever and apparently we try this once and it failed once before or are we going to let business Be what they're here to do run a business and I sure hope we don't continue to compete Against businesses in our community government is a service for those that can't afford it Not for us to go and try to be the biggest and best with taxpayers dollars Thank you. Thank you Luke Shirelli Good evening board members. My name is Luke Shirelli 1509 North Prospect Milwaukee, Wisconsin I'm the business attorney for boroughs aviation. I've been the business attorney for the last dozen or so years I'm here tonight to speak. I guess in favor of keeping boroughs aviation, obviously I've heard a couple of the I guess opposing parties the gentleman in the back here Oddly I actually agree with them But you have to remember when I say I agree with the opposing parties Would we all like airline airplane fuel to be lower? Would we like better service faster service? Pick anything that they want to say that they want better a couple of our people have said we want change Well, we already have change. It's called COVID. It's called a national Election coming up. It's a mess already. We've got a governor race. It's a mess already Sheboygan I mean, I'm out of Milwaukee. So we are facing change all the time Sheboygan is a smaller venue You've been very lucky to not have a lot of change up here Still, you're affected by it as far as boroughs aviation goes and having a airport an FBO Mindy Smith, I've known her for goodness knows a dozen or so years She's she's struggling. She's struggling with supply chain issues COVID issues Just everything in general. We've had a couple of people say we have High volume we have low volume in the winter. How do you balance that? You is the board members are Sitting here waiting to vote to say, you know what we should take over and run that ourselves and Have all of those headaches that a private individual who's been running this for a dozen plus years Who's a veteran herself who has gone through all of that and is still struggling? But she's surviving That's what counts as private industry goes. That's what matters Currently, I'm the business attorney at my firm. So I'm working with your Legal counsel here as well as the executive board a two appraisers have been looked for One for us one for Sheboygan County to figure out how much is boroughs aviation worth? maybe the county doesn't want to spend three point two million and roll the dice on Having one of you try and run a competing airport possibly putting both airports out of business possibly Remember you're the landlords to boroughs aviation How many of you are business owners and have started your businesses as tenants? What would you do if the landlord said great sign a lease sign on to a three-plus million dollar? Loan package only to have you your landlord go. Oh, by the way, I'm gonna set up a competing business right next door That's bad business. That's bad form But from my standpoint as the business attorney have at it You're perfectly within your rights to do so But understand as the business attorney. I have to protect boroughs aviation. I have to protect private industry Mindy Smith, I have to protect her. She's a veteran. She's a woman. She's a business owner for goodness sakes If that's not Sheboygan what is and if the boroughs aviation goes out of business and the county wants to say You know what? How about we spend that three point two million and figure out with our appraisers and your legal counsel here Who's fantastic by the way? Put us together Put us with the appraisers put us with the executive board and let's figure out a better way But setting up the competing business definitely not the way World of problems if it happens and goodness knows it's a world of problem even with the threat of it So with that I think everyone here including the detractors from boroughs aviation because goodness knows they have airplanes They want lower fuel costs. We all want lower fuel costs. Mindy is trying to get lower fuel costs We hope we cross all our fingers for supply chain issues to be gone tomorrow with COVID to be gone tomorrow with elections and politics to be out of the way so private industry and Sheboygan itself can thrive With that, thank you very much. Thank you to all of you next up is Mindy Smith My name is Mindy Smith 611 Lake Shore Drive First off, I just want to say thank you for allowing me this time to speak My name is Mindy Smith, and I'm the owner of boroughs aviation FBO at the Sheboygan County Airport We'd like to correct some of the negative implications made in the First I have a tremendous team of employees who are solely dedicated and ensuring passengers and crew members experience first-class service Second I fuel prices not high during this time of high fuel costs I was almost out of avgas and was waiting for the market to turn down before ordering a load It turned in the wrong direction and I had to buy an expensive load of fuel I even marked it down more than my usual margin in order to help the avgas purchasers Third didn't run out of fuel He had fuel on hand for those who absolutely needed it to get some get home and for our on-field customers Like Kohler, Winway and Bemis we were to get a load that day But the driver had quit that morning and they had no one else bring the load a load was delivered the next day Fourth I find it interesting. Mr. Severs is here as the county officials already know he is a problem customer He leaves without paying it refuses to return the car back and is rude and abusive to my employees I could go on but you get my point the following are Excerts are from a letter from one of my volunteers at the airport, and I believe it is poignant Adam Payne recently addressed the Schwoing County Committee outlining their intent to change the county ordinance and seek funding to compete with the current FBO he stated they have already paid 36 million on the airport over the past two decades and their answers descend spend three million more of hard-earned taxpayer money and put a veteran woman private enterprise out of business He shared that it is not unusual for municipality to own an FBO while that may be factual What may have been overlooked is that many of those now meanest plea owned FBOs were acquired during an Economic downturn and many of those FBOs had run into financial trouble This is not the case with boroughs aviation in addition he noted Schwoing County Airport previously had two FBOs What was not shared is that when those two FBOs were in competition with each other? Neither had the capacity to make money Simply put there is not enough fuel sales or revenue opportunities the Schwoing County Airport to support to During the airport advisory meeting the county was made aware of this fact during an open discussion in the on the issue By one of the two previous FBO owners Frank Brotts former owner of Western shores FBO Western shores was ultimately bought by boroughs aviation Financial concerns remain as outlined by mr. Brotts boroughs aviation and others the ability for two competing FBOs at Schwoing County Airport being able to compete and bull survive is highly unlikely That's potentially resulting in additional airport losses being subsidized by Schwoing County taxpayers the boroughs aviation going out of business For their budget mr. Payne mr. Schnell and mr. Grenoble Clearly anticipate putting boroughs aviation out of business. This isn't an excerpt from the FBO capital budget Three million initial investment 1.4 total annual revenue once 100% of fuel sales are achieved thus boroughs out of business 1.3 total operating expenses resulting 70,000 gain result and a 2.1% return on taxpayers as Jacob stated based on their own numbers They intended to risk additional Schwoing County taxpayer money by spending an additional three million for a new competing FBO for hopeful 2.1% return this hardly makes fiscal sense They're spending 1.2 on a new hangar building with 12,000 annual hangar rent rental revenue at best a 1% return on taxpayer investment Boroughs aviation current revenue contributions to Schwoing County or fuel flowage payments rent and property tax in 2021 was a total of a hundred and seventy five thousand seven hundred eight dollars if they're going to put boroughs aviation out of business a hundred and say if They will lose my hundred and seventy five thousand and gain seventy thousand for a total loss of a hundred and five thousand dollars Based on good faith and current Schwoing County ordinances boroughs aviation entered into a long-term contract lease with Schwoing County to provide FBO services at Schwoing County airport in addition Boroughs aviation may have entered into contractual agreements with other parties such as their fuel provider and banking institution That may be adversely impacted by the county's decision to change their own ordinances Boing County's attorney and mr. Payne received Aviations letter outlining their legal obligations pertaining to Schwoing County's intent to change their ordinance after the fact and compete directly against them With the unfair cost advantages set up by the county As stewards of County taxpayer resources financial obligations and potential County legal liabilities Your role in Schwoing County government is truly important as a firm believer in fair and just competition It's critically important for Schwoing County to continue fostering an environment of inclusion and success Will not becoming one that targets a private enterprise for the sole purpose of putting it out of business Taking its revenue to offset losses at its airport one in which a veteran woman Entrepreneur can feel confident in buying owning and running a business and through her efforts and those of her teammates make that business Success while continuing to represent Schwoing County well with this in mind. I ask you to vote no on this proposal Thank you for your time Final speaker Jim Meyer Good evening. My name is Jim Meyer. I am an executive with Hiawatha National Bank Located at 777 Walton Drive in Plymouth My organization Hiawatha National Bank is known boroughs aviation for a number of years And we were delighted in May of this year and that Completed a full real full banking relationship as we refinanced the company's senior debt As we were making a multi-million dollar financing commitment our underwriting and credit decision Requires a full thorough understanding of the business and all elements that impact the business And a major part of that was Major positive part of that was the fact that there was a long-term lease in place with Schwoing County So that element made a lot more feasible and we got the loan approved And it was very favorably received It's part of the the lease commitments as part of our loan commitment. It required the county transportation committee to approve That transaction with the underlying ground lease from Schwoing County Transportation Department approved that with very little commentary. So we were pleased and the relationship was completed in May as I said I was a little dismayed to find out just a matter of a number of weeks later when Proposal came out for Schwoing County for their own FBO and You know whether that is I'm not going to make a legal opinion whether that's breach of contract or what have you Others can decide that fact what I would say is it's an unethical Decision and and I think any of us looking into the facts the matter would agree with that I Think as it was stated by several other people the facts the matter also are that Two FBOs in Sheboygan County simply cannot survive They're simply not the volume Traffic etc. So really what's comes through in this is that the county will put boroughs aviation out of business and If that's where what our taxpayers want to see, you know, so be it I Would also say that County put together a nice proposal with with some financial numbers, etc I would just say I am a bit skeptical as far as the proof in what those numbers really mean If you put them side by side with with boroughs what other FBOs operate I would be very skeptical. I think as a general comment. I would say In my 40 years in banking and certainly as a as a local resident I've yet to see a governmental entity run a business any better than a private enterprise could do And I challenge you to come up with one Thank you That's all for public addresses Okay, next is letters communications and announcements Regarding private funding of election administration ones from Taylor County They will receive those for information Next is the County administrators report. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Good evening I'm gonna briefly touch on the status of the 2023 budget development process the sales tax revenue that we've received thus far and Then make some concluding comments about the FBO proposal. That's before you this evening first on the Sheboygan County budget development process We have a hundred and sixty seven million dollar budget supports About two hundred and seven programs and services implemented by The track record of holding the line on property taxes In fact, if you look at the last decade the average property tax levy increase to support County government has only gone up 1.2% and I'll put that track record up against any local unit of government in the state Our county board is thoughtful Fiscally conservative and we work in collaboration. Of course every year when we develop the budget There's always new challenge Challenges we always need to be looking ahead We always need to be thinking about how are we gonna maintain this track record and we've got some real Tough issues one is a net new construction increase that came in less than we anticipated about 1.4% That'll generate about $37,000 of additional Property tax levy and that's only one third of what we need to support wage and benefit increases for employees Wage increases about two to three percent health insurance premium increase anticipated at five percent and it's possible It could come in higher We always have to be striving to diversify our revenue streams Consolidate streamline make tough decisions. In fact in the two thousands we had 1,300 employees working for sheboyton County and today as I said, we have about 850 this board has experienced a lot of change and a lot of challenges and Time and time again. We step up and we problem solve I want to thank deputy administrator Elaine Krauss and our finance director Wendy sharnan for their good work Helping lead the budget development process this year all of our accountants all of our department heads We really have a strong team It gives me comfort as we go into this budget development that some way we will find solutions And we will once again deliver a balanced thoughtful budget for the community The liaison committees the finance committee the full county board will soon be in the hot seat Reviewing all of these proposed budgets and of course the budget is adopted on November 1st on your desk this evening is the high-end I mean high-end summary of what we shared after the 20 22 budget was adopted and it gets into some of the questions as well as some of the background Some of the challenges that the boards had to grapple with and again I think we're very proud of our fiscal track record in this community We're very proud of how we deliver programs and services and our mission is to do it in a courteous Responsible manner and that's exactly the track record of Sheboygan County in our organization as a whole One of the secrets to our success was the leadership that the county board showed back in 2016 2017 when we implemented the half percent county sales tax That was heavy lifting as I think everyone in the room knows the state has their five percent Right, and then county government has the opportunity to add a half percent Us being five and a half percent Boyden County government really held out much longer than most counties I think sixty two sixty four the seventy two counties have now Implemented the half percent sales tax. We really held out a long time But when ultimately the county board made that decision that was a challenging decision They did it in collaboration with our heads of local government. They did it in collaboration with our Sheboygan County Economic Development Corporation Business community We worked together and we were the only County at the time that when it was implemented it is all going to responsibly maintain our transportation system provide direct property tax relief and We are the only county at least we were at the time that was sharing it with all 28 of our municipalities for their transportation needs It's been highly successful And if you look at the spreadsheet that's on your desks It shows the sales tax revenue that we've received every month since 2017 and it's really grown back in 2017 well really looks let's look at 2018 as a whole year was about 9.8 million for 2022 year-to-date we received seven and a half million were projected to receive 12.6 million this year and we're budgeting 13.2 million for next year So the sales tax revenue was grown, but the county board is absolutely Sustained its commitment or promise to this community every penny of that those to either support our transportation infrastructure by direct property tax relief and then as you know from your agenda this evening we continue to share it with the other municipalities and we've increased that percentage as their net new construction and Economic development has been enhanced in their respective areas so tremendous success story and so Important to our ability to balance our budget and not rely on property tax payers to shoulder more our Transportation department if you look at their overall levy use today versus 10 years ago Far less use of property tax levy. I think it's about a million million and a half and at one point It was upwards of between four and five million It's really made a difference So appreciate that leadership and support and obviously at that time chairman Tom Wagner Vice chairman Roger Distruty are actually former chairman Roger Distruty Those two really led the charge and it continues to bear fruit So we appreciate that take a look at that graph and you get a chance and then finally the FBO and and it's not often that we get Eight speakers that come forward and and share feedback about a proposal and I want to thank all of them for taking the time to do that It's challenging to get up here in front of people and talk about things. You like or don't like and and we appreciate that I Can tell you with 100% sincerity That we are listening staff as board members We are listening Not just to the eight speakers tonight But we've been listening to the pilots and the tenants and the corporations that are currently being served out at our airport We've been listening very very carefully And that's why we're here that's why we're here the Shabuagan County Economic Development Corporation Been around for quite some time now. Do a lot of good for the community. We presented our recommendations to them And they've been listening as well. Who's on the Shabuagan County Economic Coal or company? Sargental Foods Johnsonville Bemis or or Shabuagan Memorial Medical Center Master Gallery Foods Rockline Industries Millipore Stigma the Shabuagan Paper Box Company Old Wisconsin Sausage Lakes for Technical College Lakeland University 30 Development Corporation they've been listening Many of the corporations on this Economic Development Corporation are tenants and corporations Served at our airport and by the present FBO In your packet you can see a letter from the Shabuagan County Economic Development Corporation stating Please accept this letter of official support From the Shabuagan County Economic Development Corporation of the formation of the county operated fixed space operator at the Shabuagan County Memorial Airport The SEEDC has received input from multiple businesses with operations at the airport on their views of the current situation Based on the feedback and the presentation from the county transportation staff Representing over 30 private sector businesses We support the county's proposal We're listening. There are also letters in your packet specific from Johnsonville Johnsonville goes on at the end to conclude about the importance of being empathetic to the staff that work at FBO Burroughs I couldn't agree more. I'd never met any of the staff there other than Ron Burroughs or Mindy in the past I'll tell you For the last 20 years to be candid the relationship with Burroughs hasn't been that strong It just hasn't been a real strong relationship. I think when Miss Mindy Smith took over I think it improved But it still hasn't been as strong as we would hope But that's my county perspective What's the perspective of all the businesses and corporations that are relying on them? The Shabuagan County Economic Development Corporation doesn't just write a letter like this willy-nilly One of the speakers said well, did you get the letter from the Valreth company? One Participant on the SEEDC objected to this one and I received that letter and I followed up with that letter and I was thanked for the additional information and we never heard anything further but Just so you know one member of the SEEDC board Responded to just sharing that the other thing I wanted to quickly share is someone challenged And of course, I always take that personally. I hope anyone does who works for any level of county government We can't do anything as well as the private sector Really, I think our employees do a good job, too. I'm proud of them. I'm proud of our team here I'll give you one example Look at Rocky Knoll County board make Tremendously difficult decisions to downsize or rightsize Rocky Knoll Do you know Rocky Knoll is the only healthcare center in Shabuagan County that has Standing track record of providing five star quality care We're not perfect. We have staffing challenges just like any other nursing home But we're providing the best care in the county. Where do you want to send your folks? there's an example as we embarked on this proposal It's really been in discussions for years Particularly the last year and a half And this is one of the ironies that continues to come my way with all this discussion Miss Smith approached us in early 2021 and Asked to sell to the county asked to sell the FBO to the county. She approached us We both agreed that we would get appraisals Ultimately miss Smith said no not at this time and Candidly, you know communication can always be improved both sides. I get that but candidly It was our read that maybe at that time. She didn't have full ownership of the FBO It would make some sense for the transportation committee as a formality to let Earl's aviation refinance. I think that was her way of taking full control and ownership of the FBO I think that makes some sense But just for the record as I have said and as you can see in the fact sheet Not only are we not reinventing the wheel. There are a lot of publicly owned FBOs But miss Smith approached us a year and a half ago and asked to sit down and discuss buying her out We are now as it was mentioned by one of the speakers continuing that discussion and we welcome it We welcome it What are our goals number one? We're listening to the people that are currently being served at the airport I'm not dismissing the SEDC and Johnsonville and Bemis and these other companies. I'm listening. We're listening Secondly when it comes to Property taxes my entire career been doing this job nearly 24 years And I've always heard people say They want more services law enforcement mental health, whatever it may be But generally people don't want to pay for right all the line of property taxes The other thing I've often heard is government needs to run more like a business Why can't government run more like a business? I think sheboygan county has a pretty good track record of being thoughtful and mindful and streamlining and consolidating Very careful about the bottom line and how much we're passing on We have the opportunity at the airport, which is rare We have the opportunity at the airport to eliminate the property tax subsidy Associating with operating it going forward As you all know, there's no state imposed caps on borrowing or using fund balance Which is the objective here to purchase the FBO if we reach an agreement But operations we have a very tight cap And if there's any opportunity in county government to eliminate Property taxes and not ask our friends and neighbors and parents and grandparents to subsidize an operation Whether it's the airport or anywhere else and we have the very users of the airport Encouraging us to make a change. Shouldn't we be listening? Shouldn't we be listening? So arts absolutely our objective to eliminate the subsidy will it take an investment? Yes That's absolutely will take an investment just as it took an investment to build our transportation complex Just as it takes an investment to put a new roof on this porthouse or uw sheboygan where we own the building and grounds It's an investment But we're looking to eliminate any subsidy associated with it And I think part of the irony is this is our airport We've owned this airport for over 60 years as was mentioned earlier Quite accurately in just the last 20 years taxpayers have put over 36 million dollars in infrastructure improvements Why shouldn't taxpayers benefit from not having to subsidize it going forward? We have an opportunity I really believe We can enhance services as is being requested. I really believe we can reduce the cost of fuel I really believe we can eliminate the property tax subsidy And if we can't For an unable to do that Nothing prohibits us from someday looking for someone to come in and compete Pearls aviation didn't have any problem going in and competing with western shores They won the day Sheboygan county wants to own and operate Our own airport I think we've got a pretty good proposal here. Thank you, mr. Chairman Next we move on a consideration of committee reports executive committee resolution number five regarding approving standard governmental agreement for 2023 county sales tax revenue sharing recommendation to adopt Supervisor gearing. Thank you, mr. Chairman. I move for adoption. Thank you. Supervisor gearing. Supervisor Brower. I will second the motion Thank you. Supervisor Brower under discussion Seeing no discussion, please vote Supervisor wegener. How do you vote? Yes Thank you Resolution number six regarding designating the sheboygan county public safety answering point for grant funding under 2019 wisconsin act 26 and wisconsin statute 256.35 recommendation to adopt Supervisor jorgensen. I move that we Adopt resolution number six. Thank you. Supervisor jorgensen. Supervisor Brower second the motion Thank you. Supervisor Brower under discussion Seeing no discussion, please vote Supervisor wegener Yes Thank you. Which is also proving anisling Ornance number one regarding amending sheboygan county code 61.03 section one and repealing section 61.03 section two related to fixed-space operator services at sheboygan county memorial airport Recommendation to enact Supervisor test roti Thank you, mr. Chairman I move to enact ordinance number one Thank you. Supervisor test roti. Supervisor gearing. Thank you. Mr. Chairman. I will second that motion Thank you. Supervisor gearing under discussion Supervisor spelt Mr. Chairman, can I just say something please? Yes, okay In regards to the fixed-based operator I Really tried to I really debated about this I tried to get as much information as possible so I could make the best decision Um, I think in many ways possibly, you know, things need to be changed Um, however, I have uh, I have concerns about spending 3.2 million of taxpayers money on something that would only affect like a small portion of taxpayers And ultimately and I'm not sure and I think there's a lot of unknowns with this also I'm not quite sure that the return on investment would be in our favor Um, and ultimately I have to be um I have to answer to my constituents and my tax payers. So that's um, Thank you. That's it. Thank you. Supervisor spells Supervisor none off Hi, um This subject arose to me First about I don't know five six weeks ago. I didn't know anything about this and I didn't know what an fbo was My career spending millions of dollars a year of the company's money. I knew what fob was that's related to shipping But I didn't know fbo. So I looked it up and Yes, everything that our speaker one of our speakers tonight said mates what I Witnessed on the website. So now I know what fbo is and how important it is to an airport Um Another thing I want to share my career rated companies I did business in my career but with about 800 companies and I would say because of the Amount of dollars we spent every year. We did a formal rating program in my life What about 300 of them and that rated everything when you buy something you don't buy just price This broke down in criteria and writing. It's everything we buy even as individuals There's four criterias. It's quality Delivery service and price price is just price Total cost is all of the four things I just mentioned So when we're talking about what's going on with our fbo and uh airport It's total cost. I mean one thing I another thing I did because I didn't know anything about this subject In the last three weeks because I want to make the right decision for our taxpayers. I met three times and I were a piece with People that know have good knowledge of this either on our board Or related to the business out there And I did that so I make the right decisions for our taxpayers I said last meeting and I don't want to get lengthy and I'll not be lengthy now My concern is always our taxpayers and I appreciate everything that you've done in the last years in the county And you mentioned it tonight and thank you for that So I was one when I was first married. This is very dear to me I didn't even know who my representative district representative was when my wife and I for our first many years got married We had zero money I didn't care about anything except the expense of my taxes and keeping my family Provided with basic things So I would look at my tax bill and it was the line So me I'm all about For example, the person working at NEMAC For those of you don't know what NEMAC is. This is very dear to me These are people that go in that facility every every day and run a casting machine That's hot iron poured into a mold. That's what they do every day And many of these people go home and they don't have any excess money So my point about this FOBR airport is whatever we're going to do as a county to do something wise financially And I don't have my arms around it completely yet I heard I learned a lot in my three one hour plus meetings lately and I appreciate all of our visitors tonight. I think we heard Of who was here. Thank you for being here. You guest speakers. I appreciate it much personally I think we heard It wasn't quite 50 50. We heard five For all the existing FBO and three against Uh, that doesn't mean everything. It's a minority of versus all the people involved in this I think there is some improvement that needs to be made We and back to my career. We gave awards out to what we called world-class manufacturers Those are companies that were rare and did all of the things quality delivery service and price very well I think that obviously lacks by way of the three people that spoke tonight and by way of many things I've heard lately I walked around the airport a lot and I think I saw on one of the things that was on our Quality survey when I did business flying all over the country auditing companies with professional quality auditors Was good housekeeping And I think I noticed when I was at the airport like long weeds next to their I think it was burl's building and it's like to me. This is very impressionistic tonight We heard many times about people we want to serve the society And this is all over the world now because of our airport improvements And especially within the united states and I don't think it's happening in its entirety So I think some improvement can be made by burl's and i'm not here Criticizing them when we did audits on companies We had to be forthright and a lot of companies didn't win our business because they didn't do things that well But I think based on people talking tonight and my little bit Of what I know some improvements can be made so perhaps the county can work As an option i'm not casting vote tonight With our existing supplier because one thing we've learned in my life is suppliers can improve So maybe some meetings can be done to Improve things So tonight i'm going to say right now i'm voting no to these and the biggest reason To to not approve making the change and the reason is why I don't know why we're rushing with this What's the rush Burl's has been there 12 years Personally, this isn't about me. I just learned about this a month ago but uh I don't know what the rush is When we can take our time and maybe Consider some other things or at least educate people like me more Because I try i'm trying to continually learn But um I want to do well for our taxpayers I'm not sure if jumping off the cliff tonight voting yes for this Is the way to go considering our county citizen, so Uh I'm telling you that's the way i'm going to vote and it's primarily for one reasons I don't know why we're rushing into this So thank you for the opportunity to talk Thank you, um, president elson Henry Thank you chairman, uh coach, you know, and I have been listening. I've been listening to both sides of the story here and I'm puzzled by a few things one is that You know if uh boros should go out of business all of a sudden All of a sudden we have duplicate facility One set of facilities not being used One set of facilities being used and me that Doesn't uh, doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me so I kind of You know What I would be hoping for again is perhaps a little more negotiation A little more, uh talking and a little more helping each other between the county and the and boros As I read this what it says according to the Proposal way, we're going to compete with that. And of course, we know what happens Everyone recognizes that only one entity survived that and As I say, I think it's a little too mature perhaps to uh Go ahead and start Planning on competing before we have a little more negotiation And I would even like to be stable or I Probably Thank you, henry, uh, do you wish for us to quick clarifications? There is no rush We've been working and interacting and seeking input on this for months Including transportation committee finance committee executive committee county board leadership forums avoiding county economic development corporation airport advisory committee And other discussions with corporation leaderships or pilots So there's no rush The the action That is being sought here is to change some language That does not mean next week. We're competing it's positioning ourselves for that opportunity And depending on what plays out with negotiations As we were interested in a year and a half ago and continue to be to be now We hope we're going to come to some negotiation with possible purchase Right, that's in play So the action that's being contemplated this evening and again has been unanimously supported by transportation finance and exec Is to change the language. This language has been there core council to share this with me today Uh, I think supervisor jerry jorgensen deserves credit for it. It's been there since the 1960s All right, that's how long it's been since we refined this language. So This positions ourselves to be more nimble or flexible generally what businesses seek And going forward depending on how negotiations go. We may either be purchasing Or we may be competing and of course that discussion will internal will continue in our organization supervisor clark Thank you, mr. Chair. I think I just wanted to Uh, reiterate some of my feelings on this with with the airport And again, I'm kind of like supervisor nunhoff. I didn't know a lot about airports But the way I view this especially a smaller airport like ours that this is a service You know, it's a transportation service. We're a smaller Airport and that is something that I think you know, we own it as a government That's something that we can and should participate in and should be listening to the users of that airport As we know often municipalities and counties do contract with businesses For services that municipalities either should be offering But due to budget constraints Which seem to increase we often can't I don't know I read the paper all the time and I see Some of our smaller municipalities struggle with things like garbage service, you know You sign a contract and and then and then things can get really tough And then it's very hard on those smaller municipalities once you're in those contracts To continue to offer those services You know that You know, even those businesses now are struggling with staffing and drivers and other things so I you know even in our health and human services committee today We were recognizing some of our contractors that we've had very good relationships with You know our struggling with staffing issues and other things But these are services that we have to offer and so some of these things We were looking at taking Taking back as a county to continue to offer these important services And I think with a 25 year contract, you know, it gets really tough to have the flexibility We need to adapt as the airport grows or shrinks or whatever is going to happen I I it was very hard to hear tonight, and I'm sorry, you know to hear About our fbo struggling. I understand fueling issues. I understand staffing issues. That's You know, that's really tough And I think the idea here though is to change the ordinance to open up the the fbo for competition I don't think that means that conversations are over. I think the conversations with owners and with staff Of the fbo can hopefully continue. I think this just opens up the flexibility to do that So, you know, that's why I will be voting in support of this. Thank you Thank you supervisor Clark supervisor Jorgensen I too have struggled with this. I didn't know anything about fbo's Much about airports other than how to get a ticket and get on an airplane But you know, like a lot of you this came There are people in our organization who've been dealing with us for a long time and I appreciate their frustration On the other hand, most of us first heard about this in june And now a couple months later we find out that we have to change an ordinance In order to even make it happen There are a lot of pieces to this That I would have liked to have had open discussion amongst the 25 board members Might have to be in closed session because some of the questions are tough ones that we don't want to have on the Public record because they they don't we're involved in either Contracts or legal questions So my goal was to have that occur And it has not really happened I've had one-on-one discussions with many people from adam to learn to you know mad at the airport What I've learned is a lot of what I think I heard from carl is that why are we rushing into this thing? I think it got to this point because it was Some relationships that weren't very good I think adam maybe put a little bit of light on it the relationships haven't been good. They got better I ask questions along I ask a lot of financial questions, which I'll go to later But I ask questions about when I talked with mad at the airport I ask questions about what is our process for handling complaints Because i'm totally convinced we have to fix something out there. There's no question about it How we go about it is really the mechanics of it is it for me But we have to fix some things But when I ask about what have we been doing in the past when we get complaints Where's our list of what the complaint was who contacts who what is our procedure? I got pretty fuzzy answers and I'm not negative on mad at all because I am I think we're lucky to have mad I'm very impressed with him But I think our process has come from an adversarial basis where we haven't been talking closely enough One of the we have a bad contract. I think carl identified this a long time ago. We have a bad contract We all know that how do we fix it? Well, there are a lot of different ways to approach it one is to work with the people try to get them to be better One is to bring in a different operator And ultimately we might have to run it ourselves because nobody else can do it But I think we're a ways away from that yet and and there would be things on the financial side that are really my previous life I spent Running financial institution and institutions and doing lending to businesses I ask a number of questions along the way about the pro forma that we I'm not saying they can't be in the future But I ask questions like okay. Who prepared this find who prepared this projection And which of those people have an actual business running an fbo? That's what you do if you're the lender like the guy that got up here before Nobody nobody Has actually run an fbo. What do you do then if you want to buy a business? Businesses go out and hire consultants deal with trade groups. We don't have the operating statement for this place That's been a I think they could offer that to us if they want to show us they're not making money and Wanted to go shade. I can see why they don't want to but it's a it's a tool So we don't have a lot of that information. We should have at this point in time my move at this point in time is to not be in favor of Doing anything where we're going to spend 3.2 to maybe twice that amount I don't know what the rumors are and how high it'll go, but that's got an opportunity cost to the county We're looking at a $200,000 deficit But the opportunity cost of that three to five million dollars is two three four hundred thousand dollars a year a year You get that by saying what's our cost to borrow or not have that money to invest or have to You know, we only get money from three sources. I think one is borrowing from bonds One is taxing the people and the in the third From operations like this. Well, anyway, so when when we try to take this money and we're take Oh, it's from what we can get at the third point is we have programs and reserves Those reserves protect our programs that we have throughout the county So that money comes from one of those three of those pots And ultimately what it really does here is it comes to are you going to have less reserves? For those other areas are you going to reduce services in some other area? Yeah, it's probably going to wind up in the borrowing category We're over there we're talking about something I don't know is the number five percent today somebody can adjust that for me But if you take five percent on Now that doesn't show up on a budget it's not in this pro forma It's not anywhere in what we do in government type stuff because we put a bunch of capital in to support it Well, and we might have to put more in the future but those are the kind of things that I would like to see us discuss in a Different basis before we get I mean to me. I feel like I'm being rushed to vote on these amendments I could be convinced down the road to vote. Yes I really do want to support the county government in keeping the other parties feet at the table because that has been an issue and I really appreciate that so My expectation is that that part is going to pass But I would hope we would hold off on taking action on spending the money on the second resolution that we're going to be talking about Thank you for listening Thank you, Supervisor Jorgensen Supervisor Zern Excuse me Supervisor Nelson Henry Thank you chairman. I just wanted to thank Adam for clarifying a few points there that were unclear in my mind But I would be with carl and Gerald I really concentrate more on negotiating part and I'll call it Concentration That's one way to get people to the table Thank you, Supervisor Nelson Supervisor Bosman. Yes, uh, I'm a member of the transportation Committee and and we were Showing the facts on I think the fact that we came to unanimous decision as as a transportation committee signified that We recognize there's some issues out at the airport I'm not saying these issues. There's only one way to solve these problem but as This discussion is going around I think Adam brought up some good points. I everyone had good points We need to and as I'm seeing this we need to Pass ordinance one to get off of zero In order to do anything We have to have the ability to be able to negotiate to be able to be a player In doing something at the airport The if you're not on the transportation if you've never served on transportation there are a lot of grant dollars that come into our airport that are shared and enjoyed by everyone Who uses the airport? in that airport And I don't know the exact figure Matt sitting over there. He could tell us But we are no longer a small airport. I hear people talk about it being a small airport We're mid-sized to larger We're being looked at as a overflow Or to take pressure off of Milwaukee When Milwaukee gets busy we have businessmen who are telling us It's makes more sense for them to land in Sheboygan And drive to the north side of Milwaukee Then to go into general Mitchell And drive north back to their Business or residents on the north side of Milwaukee. So this is only going to continue going forward I think there's a lot of potential. There's a lot of Talk a lot of grants a lot of information we hear as a committee about Expectations for what should be happening at the airport in the future This airport is not stagnant This airport's going to grow And We have to be able to handle that So I think In my mind number one Ordinance number one has to be approved for us to just play To get in the game and say we're able to negotiate when it comes to Using Budget funds, we're just saying we want to have the option as I'm reading it We want to have the option or know that that money Is available Should we need it? That's no different than if you go to the bank And line up a line of credit for something that may be coming up It doesn't mean you have to spend the money It doesn't mean you have to buy the car. You don't have to buy the refrigerator but at least you know If an opportunity arises and you need to act you're ready to go You don't want to be going You know trying to get an appointment at the bank And you know the car is going to be gone tomorrow if you don't have your your financing line So I think in both these cases if and I would ask anyone to Answer me back, but I mean I think we need to in order to be ready In order to be ready to go Whatever the case is. Oh, I might am I running up against time. Okay, and I and I really think negotiation There's plenty of room for negotiation out here. I think we need As far out as it seems We have been having an operator at the shmoygan marsh And I think we have a chance to do that here too. Thank you Thank you supervisor bosman supervisor wegener Thank you. Can you hear me mr. Chairman? I can hear you loudly I'll try not to shout then I'll make this kind of quick. I wish I was there, but As chair of the transportation committee in dealing with this issue. I just Firmly believe that this is a necessary first step In moving our airport forward Thank you Thank you supervisor wegener Supervisor grubner grubner One call. Let's uh I'm impressed that the majority of our corporations In this county Looked to the government for support and for an answer to this and I think it's been Adam and the rest of the group here have really looked into this so I believe that The county has the answer to moving forward for everybody on this issue. Thank you. Thank you supervisor grubber Anyone else wish to speak Seeing none Thank you Just wanted to make a quick clarification to some of the comments tonight We heard supervisor bosman say that this ordinance is really the the first step and it is so I've heard comments about wanting To have negotiations with the fbo this the passage of this ordinance would be consistent with that As you heard the county administrator mentioned these policies were put into place in the 1960s when the airport operations began And we're now looking at them tonight to provide an opportunity or opening the door for the county to be Engaged in some of these services. So for those of you who wish to see negotiations continue That is the path that that we're headed down. So I know there was some discussion about appraisals Those are things that if you want those pieces to happen in that discussion to continue Passing this ordinance would be consistent with that position Also wanted to make a quick clarification on the fbo agreement. It is a 25 year agreement That is renewable for free Successive periods of 25 years. So in total there's an opportunity for 100 year agreement with the fixed space operator Thank you, mr Thank you council seeing no other Supervisor none on The question just to clarify on my own mind. Did I hear you say? Or did tonight is there is there a dollar figure attached to what we're voting on the potential of spending some money within this Resolution is there a dollar figure in there? And I'm happy to take that mr. Chair. In other words if it's approved Is the does the potential exist that some money could be spent? All right And mr. Chair is that if I respond to that am I on here? Okay Uh, so you really have two things in front of you tonight the first is this ordinance Which is the policy change of the board this would be changing the policy That had been in place since the 1960s and this policy would open up the opportunity for the county to be engaged in aviation Activities at the airport. So that's what's currently before you There is also a resolution that designates funds towards either the purchase or the construction of The facilities necessary to meet the fbo minimum requirements So we have the fbo minimum requirements that are part of the county code That is a separate vote that will occur in the county board. So that's coming up But this one does not have a dollar amount associated with it There's no money involved in this what we're voting on that is correct Okay, I'm just making sure I'm finished Did I hear us say This includes negotiation with our existing FBO So the language the potential of it Is that correct anyone in here want to yes that is correct Uh, so the way that if this ordinance passes the change would read that the the owner which is shabuigan county May engage in aviation activities is set forth in chapter 64 of the county code So if this passes that would mean that we could have discussions on potentially purchasing the existing fbo And may I ask for those educated in this because I'm not obviously I'm new to the board. I'm five months old has any negotiation happened In the last couple of years because this has spiked in concern with our fbo Yes or no I'm not trying to be difficult, but have we tried to visit with Her the owner to talk about continuous improvement. Has that happened or not? Yes, there have been attempts at discussion But no dollar amounts read no no i'm not talking money Just continuous improvement performance because that's really what this is all about is the performance the service part of it Which is many things within that but so that has happened Yes, it is my understanding it has happened. I have not participated directly in those discussions with the current Is there anyone in this room that can say that for sure? I'm not trying to be difficult, but we're going to vote on this the answer is yes Okay, question. Yes. All right. Thank you Supervisor Jorgensen Thank you. I'll be brief this time One of the things that I learned along the way was we have a contract that is deficient in a number of ways from the county's perspective Contracts when you lease properties for a long period of time Typically have clauses that say if I don't like what you're doing. You're not performing. You're part of the contract I give you a letter and then you have 30 days to cure that and different things happen in different contracts My understanding is this doesn't exist in our present contract for most of the items we're concerned about There may be a couple extraneous ones, but this clause has not been used based on my discussion with matt For a long time and it's probably because it was frustrating to use I don't know the history on it, but but that's the missing element here is we don't have the hammer And that's why the debate it's really from my perspective It's a matter of technique, but I just wanted to clear that point for you because that's what's in most contracts That are similar to this You know and it's not in this one and it puts our county administrator at a real disadvantage And that's why he wants to have More clout with this resolution. So that's all I have to say I can't hope but I got to say one more thing final time I got it after what's just been said by everyone and I would hope there's some negotiation I've seen continuous improvement in my business world a lot Now I'm not I've never been in touch with the past history and with her But I would think that after tonight and hearing all this that she would be wide open to continuous improvement To get where we want it to be called a world-class airport We don't want our airport to be second to none nor do I and that's my point I'm not saying this in favor of her. We just want a world-class airport. So I hope From what I know and what I've heard that we're going to be open to sitting down with her and hopefully productively Get better out there That's all. Thank you very much for your time. Thank you supervisor non-ops supervisor ellis Thank you chair. I just wanted to reiterate I think the negotiation is important and my understanding of this first resolution is that it's going to open up possibilities for us to operate At the airport, which would be really key. I think to leveraging a good negotiating position. So Everybody here who's talked a lot about negotiation. How important that is If you've seen my email response to some employees at boroughs It's very much my hope that we are under negotiation and then most of these folks including people in the back Who think that they're about to lose their jobs don't lose those jobs I so While I feel exactly some of the sympathies that a lot of a lot of people have talked about And some of the concerns a lot of people have talked about This to me this first vote anyway is a no-brainer And that it's a way to keep Boroughs feet to the fire and keep the negotiation moving forward and without that kind of leverage I get I worry that same thing will happen That's happened two or three times in the past where the negotiation has started and then stopped for whatever reason Supervisor spouts Okay, I'm just I just have to clarify something. I was assuming that this Ordinance was for the county to take over the airport That was what I was under the understanding of initially, but now it's about negotiations. Is that correct? It it leaves the it opens the door for that we could negotiate And that take over Is is can I get a yes or no on that? I'm assuming it's not about us taking over, but it's about us negotiating. I guess it was explained Not quite in those terms So I don't know that it's quite as simple as a yes or no What it does do is it opens the door for the county to provide Aviation services at the airport the policy back in the 60s Was that we weren't going to be providing these services at the airport? And what's in front of the county board tonight is the decision as to whether we provide services Either that's through starting An fbo that's county based or maybe that is purchasing in existing fbo So both paths forward either Competition or a buyout are covered under this ordinance, which would allow the county to provide aviation services Okay, so in other words, we could basically take over it sounds like provide services. That's what it sounds like to me It does allow the county to provide aviation services. That is correct Thank you supervisor spells Supervisor Wagner, did you have a second? discussion point No, I think I forgot to take my hand. Okay. All right. Sorry about that. I think you're just Okay In the other light Please vote on ordinance number one supervisor Wagner Yes Next is consideration committee reports finance committee resolution number seven regarding amending the 2022 budget for use of general funds for airport fixed space operator services the committee recommendation is to adopt Supervisor distrotey Thank you, mr. Chairman. I move to adopt resolution number seven Thank you. Supervisor distrotey Supervisor colson Okay, not a problem Supervisor gearing Thank you, mr. Chairman. I will second that motion Thank you. Supervisor gearing Under discussion Seeing no discussion Supervisor jargon said Just just to address the point he asked about spending money if we pass this resolution And we could buy it for whatever the price is under 3.2 million It's a done deal and there's no more consideration at the board level necessary. Is that correct or incorrect? I'll do my best to answer that question So what this does is it amends the budget to allow for 3.2 million towards the purchase or construction of facilities meeting the fbo requirements now I would expect that there's continued discussions with the existing fbo And it may be that that dollar amount at the end of the day is higher than 3.2 million Once we go through the appraisals and get those numbers back and continue to have negotiations So i'm not sure if that Answers your question in terms of a done deal from my perspective No, it is not a done deal and there will be continued discussion with the fbo My question is is the deal can be concluded within the 3.2 million or whatever's in the resolution Would this board be voting on this again? If there is money in the budget for this and it comes in under the 3.2 million There would be authorization from this board to move forward consistent with the ordinance So the answer is we would not be voting on it again. Is that correct if it is less than the 3.2 million Thank you Seeing no additional lights, please vote on resolution number seven Supervisor wagner Yes He's approved 17 i six nays one And I turn the gavel over to the vice chair Okay, there we go Okay, uh resolutions to be introduced resolution number eight from the finance committee Regarding 2023 five-year capital that will be referred to the executive committee Resolution number nine from the finance committee regarding supporting the principle of fair housing and adherence adherence to the fair housing law That will be referred to exact executive committee resolution number 10 from the transportation committee regarding authorizing county Construction and the towns of green bush holland wilson and lima Thank you that will be Referred to the finance committee Finally ordinance is being introduced ordinance number two from the law committee regarding modifying fee schedule of medical examiner and chapter Thank you that will be referred to finance also Okay, um, we are at the point for adjournment supervisor distrote Thank you, mr. Vice chair. I move to adjourn Is there a second second that motion? Supervisor Brower, thank you All in favor of adjournment until the next meeting Aye Thank you supervisor spouts supervisor gehring supervisor mo supervisor nonhoff supervisor nonhoff we're adjourned