 Welcome back to the Plus TV's breakfast show. Now this week started on a monthful note for residents of Kushe in Kuro district of Plattev state. Twelve of their kinsmen were killed by gunmen on Sunday without provocation. The natives say herdsmen carried out the killings. Five other people were killed at the same time in nearby Zalgor village, also in Plattev state. Herders have also been blamed for that but the Myrti Allakartal British Association is disputing that. A baron native and lawyer Salomon Dalyov is joining us to discuss this. And of course we also have the Myrti Allakartal British Association in Plattev state, who is represented today by Muru Abdelayev. Many thanks for joining us on the breakfast, gentlemen. Let's begin with you Barista Salomon and Dalyov. Can you give us the actual picture in your opinion what happened on Sunday? Barista Dalyov, did you hear my question? All right, let's bring in Muru Abdelayev. They have been accusations and counter-accusations concerning who was behind the attack on Sunday. And the most fingers are pointing in your direction. What is your organization or your association rather saying concerning what happened in Plattev state over the weekend? In the Plattev we totally condemned the incestant killings of one another from one point to another. And all the killings we described them as barbaric and out of criminality. So we, as an association, we didn't back any killing or destruction of property of one another. But at this moment I want us to look at the things happening in Plattev state holistically because there are issues undergoing in the states that are very horrors and barbaric, which we didn't necessary to describe them and mention them in media. What the government of Plattev state are doing and some of the security agencies is biased in mind in treating these issues. When it comes to fulani being killed, they never mention it in any media. They are not issue out statements condemning such unart. But when it is other side of the story, they try to condone people that are affected and then they visit them, they assist them and other things like that, which I don't believe it will help us in resolving this problem in plattev state. What I believe is government should do all possible way and remorse everybody and see the take care of everybody in the state. So that we join hands to resolve this problem amicable. But whenever something happen to the other side, they will start allegation that it is suspected fulani. For the past 20 years they have been suspected fulani, fulani, fulani and often today there is no results. Investigations have gone on in some other clings, we are the suspected fulani and after investigation you will be surprised to see who are the culprits. All right, Belay, are you still there? Hello. Okay, I think we have Barista Salomon Daliob joining us, right? Thanks for joining the conversation. Before you joined us we are talking about the killings that happened over the weekend in plattev state and rest in the farmers are like a quicker to blame on the map and that is the association of Nigeria and their representative in plattev state is saying that that is not the true picture, that government is actually sympathetic to rest in when it comes to killings and there is never any mention when their association members are actually killed, what do you have to say concerning that? All right, I'll repeat the question, I'll try and take it slowly this time around. We're talking about the killings that happened in plattev state on Sunday you know where people were killed and the Mieti Association is saying that they are not responsible inasmuch as rest in to think otherwise. Macban is saying that government is sympathetic to others as a side to them whenever there are killings they are quick to blaming them and government never ever mentions about them when their own members are involved or killed. They are involved as the people of the Mieti Association. Barista Dalyop. Barista Dalyop, we can hear you. We'll take a quick break, we're still looking at the killings in plattev state, we'll come back and try and we connect with Solomon Dalyop, stay with us, it's still the breakfast on plattev africa. You're welcome back to the breakfast on plattev africa, we're talking about a very sad incident that occurred in plattev state on Sunday where gunmen killed 12 men injured four men and one woman and we've invited Barista Solomon Dalyop to shed more light on that. Good morning, thanks for joining us again Barista Dalyop. Thanks for joining us Barista Dalyop. Yeah, I can hear you. Okay, let's first hear from you regarding what happened in Kushe community on August, or I beg your pardon, on Sunday nights. Yeah, at about 9, 9 p.m. on Sunday, gunmen suspected to be full animal issues invaded Kushe village of Kuru district in the sub-local government area of plattev state. As a result of that, first people were shot dead and five others sustained fatal injury. And not only that, another village in Rium was also attacked simultaneously. There was also another attack recorded in Basa local government in a village called Zogu, all perpetuated by Pula Nihetmen. And it was, it was in certain Nigerians to know that prior to this attack, there have always been local security intelligence gathered, they heated that short communities will be attacked. And it will be alerted all security architects on ground will be informed before time. Like in the case of that Kuru community that was invaded, the information went round virally last week that there will be attack in Sabola, that is Kushe village. We are expected to see proactive measures taken by security agents on ground to ensure that either it is abate, or the attackers, you know, are repelled, or there should be a condom on that community. All right, Barista Daliop, Barista Daliop, can we hold on. We spoke to Nuhu Abdelahi, he is the chairman of the Miati Allah Cattle Breeders Association earlier, and we, you know, put forward these accusations to him that Fula Nihetmen or Magban members are led to have perpetrated this attack, but he said it was simply falsehood. So we had you come in because you're now saying that Fula Nihetmen are responsible for those attacks in Plato's state. What evidence do you have to show for that? Yeah, of course, it's Fula Nihetmen, there's no doubt about that. You know, they've been perpetrating all these attacks. And it will interest the agents to also know that. Just on the projection and the body deposition of Fula Nihetmen, they are to attack you and then you are not to respond, you are not to exercise the right of self-defense. Because in Nuhu Abdelahi, exercise the right of self-defense and one of them is killed. They will go on air and say, so also people have killed their people. That is just it. And then there are no traces of Fula Nih within that as it usually comes from either, you know, nearby Fula Nih settlement. So that has always been the trending, you know, happening here on the plateau. All right. You will also interest the agents to know that, you know, you know, the analysis there is that, you know, last month we received an information. It went viral on air and also in the social media that Plato's state just would be attacked by Boko Haram. Shortly after that, we started witnessing attacks by Fula Nihetmen. And now do we now say it is Boko Haram that is attacking us who have joined us with the Fula Nihetmen or the Fula Nihetmen on their own exclusively without, you know, you know, the involvement or the, you know, collaboration of Boko Haram that are attacking Klaji. So those are the German questions that ought to be, you know, you know, asked. Okay. Barista Daliob, thank you. Can you hold on? Let's bring in Ms. Abdullahi. Ms. Abdullahi, can you hear me? Yes, I can hear you. All right. So Barista Daliob simply stated that they received intelligence to say that Boko Haram was going to attack. And then shortly after they started getting attacked by alleged Fula Nihetmen. But you're saying that Fula Nihetmen are not responsible and the government is taking sides in this matter. So may you kindly, you know, oblige us with this information? Who then at the real corporate, perpetrating these attacks in Plato's state? Well, the root cause is, okay. Ms. Abdullahi, go ahead. Yeah, yeah. The root cause is, the root cause is of this attack. Barista, please hold your thoughts. Let's get some response from Abdullahi. We'll come back to you to get some more comments. All right. Thank you. Yes. To a certain level, there are issues raised by the Barista that I can agree with. Okay. But there are issues that he is contradicting himself. Which are the issues? But when he said the security lack of security in this space, I concur with him in this aspect that security are not doing the needful. Because like he mentioned, from that Kuru, he is alleging Fula Nihetmen, to where Fula Nihetmen are is a very far distance. If security work closely with a strict movement, whether on motorbike, on vehicles, or whatever, they should have at least make an arrest immediately. So that we see who is that perpetrator of this hermitage. Are they Fula Nihet? Are they Boko Haram? Who are they? That's what we're asking you, Ms. Abdullahi. I know that these are... He is saying it is Boko Haram that are being alleged to be attacking Palato State. But at a point he is saying it is Fula Nihetmen. No, what he said. There is no connection between Fula Nihetmen and Boko Haram. There is no such connection completely. Okay. What he said specifically? We are always at a higher to peace processes. And we have been working tirelessly to see how we fix this peace in different locations. And we have been working with government security agencies, opinion leaders, traditional leaders, religious leaders, and so on and so forth, to see how we foster peace in the state. So by mentioning the Fula Nihetmen is duplicating the effort of good people that are working for peace in the state. And these allegations have been giving us headache where we cannot ascertain who exactly made the atrocity. For instance, when the Stafford of Kulere, a paramount leader, was attacked and killed in Boko Haram's local government, immediately after, before one hour, it was amongst the whole world knows that Fula Nihetmen attacked the paramount ruler and killed him. That is how the investigation has been going on for quite a long time. Of him today, there is no identification of who did that atrocity. But I didn't mean to keep it open. It could be anybody. So let's go on research on investigation to see exactly who is this, the perpetrators, whether they are Fula Nihetmen, they are Chala, they are Ron, they are Kulere, they are Birom, they are who, what, whoever. So they, they mob out strategy. Then I was talking to them. They refused to mob out strategy, work with the locals there to identify who are the perpetrators. Let's put our heads together, turn our heads together and work as a community, as a team to see we resolve these incest and killings. All right, let's, let's bring it up. I don't know if somebody is supporting this, this criminal activity. All right, thank you. I'm so, so fine. Well, thank you for the lie, thank you for the lie. I was, he is saying Birom or Enigre have been attacked and killed. They are all killings have drawn attention in the world. But our own, when a Fula Nihetmen is killed, nobody talks about it. We will try our best to see we put it in the media, but the media is behaving like there's nothing. Don't never issue any statement. Security agencies to confirm the incident. All right, all right. All right, Mr. Nui Abdullai. All right, thank you for your thoughts. Barista Dalyov, let's get back to you. Now, you have heard all that Mr. Abdullai has said so far concerning the no love lost relationship between locals and of course the Fula Nihetmen. And you also said that there have been a security lapses in plateau state. So what then would you suggest as profitable solutions so far concerning all of these issues? You said you have local vigilantes and of course you're saying that the security on the state level is not really in what it should be. So what are you suggesting right now? Since government as it is cannot really take care of residents, what then is the fate of a resident and farmers and of course locals in Jaws? Yeah, one of the ways forward is that over time, Fula Nihetmen has got to clamor for the retention of so that military here on the plateau because it appears that they have the sympathy of the military. I would say this without any iota or reservation of any word. Because we've had reasons where with petition some of the security personnel who have completely played down the gallery with the Fula Nihetmen during the invasion of communities. So there should be total withdrawal of all the military and then be replaced with mobile policemen. There is also this aspect of the security arrangement to see whether the situation on the plateau will persist. Secondly, there should also be arrest and prosecution of whoever is found perpetrating this crime or whoever has been fingered because many a times suspects who are Fula Nihetmen have been arrested and then within within a short time they are either taken to Abu Dhan from there they are released or there is an outright release of them without a proper and preliminary investigation taking. And then these are people that have been fingered. There are some of them that were arrested with arms. I remember in Boko's local government in Dappo, Dappo District 255 when the community was attacked in 2017 or 2018. A Fula Nihetmen was arrested with arms among those who unleashed terror attacks on their locals and then he was taken to the police against us. But we didn't hear of any prosecution or didn't hear of anything. The next thing is that the guys are released. So there should be arrest and prosecution of all those that are in Boko. Indeed arrest and prosecution. Whether it's the Fula Nihetmen, whether it's the Fula Nihetmen, whether it's the Hausa or whoever that is in Boko. All right, Barista Daliya. There should be there should be displacement of all the Fula Nis that have invaded communities and are presently occupying them, having stopped them from their ancestral home space. As it is now unknown on the plateau, we have over over fifty to sixty villages that are currently under the occupation of Fula Nihetmen by way of invasion, by way of conquests and the plan is that, you know, they have gotten those communities by way of conquests which is not tenable within our legal system. So those are the issues and then there should be ban to open grazing. Okay, Barista Daliya, yes, that really is another kettle of fish within this issue. But let's bring in Mr. Abdelahi here now. Mr. Abdelahi, I think the bone of contention here is who is responsible for the killings that we've been seeing, you know, in the north, especially in Joss right now. So I wanted to ask you about, you know, who is responsible. We know that your sister association, the Miatialak Koutahori Association, have you heard any word from them regarding if they know anything about these attacks in plateau states? Yes, these issues in this country, they are, they are disturbing that I cannot talk on behalf of Miatialak Koutahori. I am a member of Miatialak Koutahori Breeders Association of Nigeria and I am the leader in plateau states. So all I'm saying I am talking on behalf of Miatialak Koutahori Breeders. I had the Barista saying that they should ban all military officers that are in plateau states to re-install them with mobile police, which is okay. But let me tell you, these military officers have, some of them will write their names in gold and keep for a history. People like Janara Heria, Janara Agondu, who came to plateau state when plateau state is in very high chaos, that he worked tirelessly and day in day out to forestall, to enforce the peace. Before he left plateau state, the plateau state was a bit quiet everywhere. Things are moving quietly. People are mingling together and businesses are going on successfully. And now that we are talking, there is one colonel in Barikiladi, that is sector four. Who is still writing his name in gold? Because the guy who has been up and doing, now Barikiladi is a bit quiet. There are some pockets of issues here and there, but still Barikiladi is very quiet. So we, we didn't, mobile police are dangerous security personnel and we buy them, we agree that they should come and assist to forestall this peace and peaceful coexistence. But what do we do about the sponsors of this Herianos Act? There are people behind the scene, whom we call them shadows. They are there behind perpetuating this Herianos Act. How do we help them? Just recently an, an, an armory or a manufacturing company of, of, of raffles has been identified in plateau state. And I believe there are many more that are here in plateau state, manufacturing raffles and selling them to local so that they take a lot into their hands. What do we do about all these things? There are ample of arms and ammunitions in plateau state more than any other place. So government should tirelessly work towards recovering all these arms and ammunitions from the hands of the, the locals and then work towards achieving sustainable peace. All right, Mr. Abdelahi, those are very, those are very serious, you know, you know, claims you've made that there are rifle manufacturing setups in, in plateau state. But bringing Mr. Dali up now, do you know if anyone has been arrested in connection with these killings and attacks in plateau? Well, I have to commend the effort of the present commissioner of police who has accepted some arrests. Like when free community was attacked last three weeks, you know, one of the attackers who was injured because one policeman was killed in the scene and his rifle was cut away by the, by the full and he has met. Now through the security intelligence, one of them has been arrested. So, so, so then we are, we are patiently waiting to see, you know, what comes out of the investigation. Okay. And then to ensure that, yes, so, so all, in all these things that few of you, in short, it is, it is through the local intelligence that those ones were able to arrest them. But they are not ready to surrender some of the people who have been seen that even they've given to them that we want you to produce so, so patients who have been named in this particular attack. They've never cooperated in, in short, it was, it was only in one of the incidents that a paramount ruler, one of the traditional ruler was seen. He, you know, some of them were, were, were, were kind of brought and then they were handed over to the security. But after then, we didn't hear anything. The next thing we had, they didn't, they didn't release without inviting even the, you know, victims. So all we are saying is that I'm still using this opportunity to commend the effort of Colonel Abdul Salam, who is in charge of Burkilaji. And then you begin to ask, why is Burkilaji experiencing this? Because the march is over doing, but why are other places experiencing, you know, insurgencies and then all, all, all sort of attack from planning. It's either the officers in charge of those areas have compromised. And that's why they feel that, you know, it is our own, it is their own, well, well, well, possibly this one is with us. That is why we can do and undo, because nobody will do us anything. Otherwise, we would have seen all these communities that have been named that will be attacked, you know, stations with security, you know, with, you know, with, you know, with a security example. But we have not seen that one. Who are they will come and unlist them after this, like the Islam that occurred in, in Kushe of Kuru. After 11 hours, security came, after 11 hours. And then you are telling me that to have confidence in this kind of security, and then there are security, most of them have compromised. They've read the second sign. They all must know this. And that's why I am, I am personally calling for restructuring. Once there is restructuring, every state will take the responsibility of, you know, guaranteeing the safety and security of its people. And not, you know, people who have come, who have been hoisted by nation inhabitants. And then overnight, they've turned back and then killing people that win. And then nobody's saying anything. All right, Barista Daly up. I want to ask, do you have any information regarding the health status of the five people who were injured or aware that they, they have, you know, been taken to the hospital? Are any of them responding to treatment? Well, those individuals are now responsible for their self-treatment. No any assistance, no intervention, no one, they've been left to their feet and see it is, it is, it is their own fault that they were attacked and killed. And those who suffered injuries are left to their feet. So you can see how pertinent the situation is. No attention has been given to those ones, they are left on their own. All right. Thank you so much, I'm Barista Solomon Daly up for your thoughts. So let's just get a final word from the President of the Mi'it al-Alakata British Association in charge in Plato State. So far now you, you said the, the security situation in Plato State is not, it leaves so much to be desired now. So in the next couple of days, are you looking at maybe bringing a situation where the locals, the farmers and of course some young men can have some sort of dialogue and maybe foster peace in some way? Why that one? Hello? No, Mr. Daly, please. Mr. Daly, that question was referred to you. Hello? Hello, Mr. Daly, did you get the question I guess? Yeah, what I asked specifically? Basically, way forward to foster, to foster peace in Plato State amongst the locals, indigent and of course your association. Are you looking at a maybe, bring it some sort of a situation where all of you can sit maybe at a town hall or a round table and discuss some of these issues and so that way the issue of a non-loveless relationship can be addressed once and for all. Yes, we have done some strategies, maybe especially in the southern senatorial zone, which now with the assistance of especially the former ruler of Huwase, the emya of Huwase and the Longomai of Shandong, a very good chap and up and doing, we join his together. Now the southern zone is a bit quiet and things are moving normal. The issue of kidnappers, armed robbers and so on and so forth, we don't blend a community, an entire community. We go to the criminals themselves and then feed them out, whether they are full army, they are gumae, they are whoever, we feed them out and hand them over to the appropriate authorities. So what I want us to do here is the barista is busy calling full army, full army, full army, which will never happen. Don't think all these full armies are criminals. Out of out of hundred percent, it's just one percent of the full armies that are criminals. And we are giving our, submitting ourselves to surrender them to the security. If you have any information about anybody that is perpetrating any violence, that is a full army, don't give me that information. I will disclose it with the security agencies and the other guy. And the virums, the virums that are killing us on daily basis, almost daily basis. Now we know them by their names, we know them by their villages, we know them by their, and we will describe them, and it is no more suspicious that we are certainly on who is doing what to us. For instance, what does happen on in, don't, don't, don't, don't, recently on Sunday this last week, a full army man was killed, an agent about 15 years old, full army man was killed. But we know the killer because the, the, the, the, the, they mentioned his name, they called him, he went out and then they are, they, they, they shot him and killed him. So they, they brought us know whose voice is that. But often today there is no arrest. All right, Mr, Mr. Abtaiai. And all these assaults that have been on fly, we know them, these, these, these, these, these people that have been killing our people so comfortably, nobody has been arrested. So we are buckled through this situation in part of this, but they are biased and then they are anything they suspect full army and say full army and any full army is liable for that offense. And they arrest anybody and detain him and torture him and then, and then, and then say he is a criminal. But they, when they go further in the station, they will not go anywhere. All right. Mr. Abtaiai, we really thank you for your time on the breakfast this morning, Chairman of MACBAN, as well as Barristas, Suleyman Dalio, for joining us to take a look at the security situation in Plattus State. Do have yourselves a great day, gentlemen. Thank you, Mr. Abtaiai. All right. When we return from this quick break, we will be focusing on the calls for restructuring in a moment. Stay with us. Don't go away.