 public comment. I believe we have one member of the public. Do you wish to make a public comment? No, no thanks. Come on in. If you can, grab a chair around the table. There's three or so of them around here. I'm going to take us through a little bit of a process piece first. And then we're going to distribute the summaries of the round one recommendations as we understand them. I think we're incomplete on a couple of them, but we'll fill in the blanks as we go. So here's kind of what the process looks like for reviewing the recommendations and finalizing them. So the way we ended up doing this was that individuals, we identified topics, we broke into subgroups, and then we, I thought I shouldn't have flipped this over because you're just going to get distracted. So we broke into subgroups, and then those subgroups did long lists. We consolidated that down. We gave you some prompts and some ways to start thinking about the recommendations, as well as a template to complete. I believe most of those are complete. So, and then we've kind of tried to summarize them into a single sheet, which you all will get. And what we're going to do today is we're going to sort of look at all of them together. So you'll get a sense of what everything is that's sort of on the table right now. Our intention on this, and I need everyone to be really clear about. Thank you so much. Okay. I'm probably going to be back in for it. That's all right. I'll fix it. So the intention today is going to need everyone to be really decisive about this is to seek to understand at a pretty high level and only ask clarifying questions. You'll get a chance to have an in-depth review of every recommendation via online. So we will distribute all of the completed recommendations to the entire group. It will be your choice how much or how little review and comment you provide for the full deep recommendations. So today we're going to keep it at 10,000 feet. Okay. We can't get into the weeds. There are 18 recommendations on the table right now. We cannot get into the weeds on any one of them, let alone all of them in the time that we have. So we're going to try to understand it at a pretty high level with knowing that you'll be able to read and provide all the commentary that you choose to in a digital format. We're understanding that if you all write novels about all of them it's going to become increasingly difficult for you all to come to consensus as a group about what those recommendations are. But we are trying to structure the process so that as a group you all feel comfortable with all of the recommendations that are put forward to council, at least at a yellow level. So we're going to be using a red-yellow-green. So red, thumbs down, deeply concerned about this recommendation and changes would need to be made before you personally would be able to go for that. We can say what would it take to get you yellow, but that's what a red or thumbs down would be yellow. I'm okay with it, but I have some concerns of reservations. Green, we're good with it. So we're going to try to get a little bit of a strawman vote today and see generally where the temperature is for the 18 recommendations. So we're going to go through a fairly rapid voting process that's mostly going to be to inform the people who are the authors of those recommendations. So then what we'll do, we'll go through that. It'll make more sense as we actually do it. And then we will assure that we have all the recommendations. We'll distribute them to the group for review. You'll give your comments. We'll give those back to the groups to make modifications based on the comments that you've received and then do a final round of voting on the 16th. In the meantime, we're also going to begin round two. So we only have this meeting, the combined meeting next week with the Just Transitions Plan Committee, and two more meetings after that, right? So essentially this group has three more times as this configuration and one time with the Just Transitions Plan Committee to get us to our finalized recommendations by April 8th. And really we need to have those in hand probably by April 6th in order to do any last bits of formatting and just grammatical refinements and those kinds of things. So I have all of that written out on this date. And you don't have to worry too much about keeping track of all of that because we'll continue to reinforce that and tell you what's what. So I think without much further ado, what we're going to do is distribute the round one summary recommendations. Give you all a chance to, I'm just going to write these up approximately half and half. Go ahead, take one, pass it around. I think we should have enough for everyone. So let's, we may end up needing to share with the neighbor. Yeah, I mean it might be helpful for note-taking purposes and I can probably give this one up to someone before too terribly long. All right, so our three categories, I think let's just take five, seven minutes and let you read through these understanding that we did have a couple missing on transportation. So once we get through the review, we'll have you all give us the high level summary of those recommendations so that we get at least a sense of what you're working on. So let's just take a minute to review the recommendations. Capture the right main idea for anyone's recommendations. So we can go through a clarification round and make sure that you feel like what is reflected on this page is representative of the main idea that you're putting forward. So let's go ahead and the idea is that we need to go through these again pretty quickly even if we spend one minute a piece on these that's 20 minutes. And we want to spend maybe a total of an hour or so reviewing the draft recommendations maybe 40, 45 minutes if we can. Although we don't want to shortchange the process, there is this urgency with only having three meetings left that we need to kick off round two and get the next round going as well. So there's an intensity and some heat on this that we're going to have to be mindful of. So with that, let's start with a renewable energy group and go down kind of one by one and just verify if that is at that 10,000 foot level clear about what the recommendation is and or if the recommending group would like to make any of their own clarifications about what that recommendation consists of. On the smart grid, there was a second suggestion which was that the deployment be designed in order to make use of the smart grid when the deployment is partial and I don't see that there. And again, we want to be more aspirational than this and challenge the city rather than saying what was already in the 2019 plan. Okay. So what I'm hearing is that there's a second part of the smart grid recommendation that includes making use of the smart grid when it's partially complete and not waiting until it's complete to do that. Yep. Okay. Great. Any other clarifications or questions on that particular point? Is this one referring to advancing the grid structure? Yes. Any other clarifying questions? Does everyone have a basic understanding of what a smart grid is? All right. Next one. And for your own notes, you may want to make that modification that Marcia offered around. It includes smart grid utilization at partial completion. Yeah. And then for the second point, the home energy management system, there was also a secondary recommendation for tying into more of an integrated system where people might be able to make a profit for being a pseudo battery by allowing them to reduce their or throttle their energy usage and possibly get redeemed revolutions back for their altruistic nature. Okay. Yeah. So let me make sure I'm hearing this clearly and that everyone else is holding it as well. So what I think I heard you say was that it allows people, or it provides incentives for people to have home battery storage or commercial battery storage. No. So they can tie in their HEMs or their home energy management systems to smart thermostats and they'd be able to say, I'm willing to peak hours to reduce small usage. Right. That's acting like a battery in that they don't use much energy. Right. So then they're essentially shaving the peak load and getting a credit for that. Yes. Okay. Shifting loads, but yes. Okay. Or well in some cases they might not be shifting the load at all. So if they're just letting their home get hotter as a result. It's offsetting their demand to a point where the demand is lower so that electrical costs for the city go down. Right. So it is about shaving peak demand through home energy management. Yes. Okay. Or maybe using the peak supply. Using a peak supply to charge your car at a time when there's excess silver. Right. So it would be the other part. Okay. So it's both. So it's about reducing demand as well as utilizing energy at off peak hours. Okay. Yeah. All right. Any other clarifying questions on that one? Yes. I'm not on that one. Okay. So and we're capturing this too. So we'll continue to upgrade this summary list as time goes on. Just please understand all of this kind of a working progress. All right. So next point. And I think this is my fault. I think this was assigned to me that we also had an idea of increasing the amount of solar roof top solar to up to 30% of usage, which will help European out have to build access. So increasing the solar. Okay. So that's a whole recommend. Yeah. Yeah. Would be another item. Okay. Or is it too late to put that in? No. Would it be nasty in the distributed energy? Yeah. Yeah. Maybe it's supposed to be in there. Right. We've got removed disincentives. Yeah. And then the 30% goal is like a deployment, an implementation feature. Because you can't go too far, but you can go way farther than we are. Yes. So it's only about 30% of total usage? No. No. No. It would be, and we talked with Andy from PRPA, how much should we be using or putting on to the grid from here to help the RPA not have to build additional resources and sort of figure with some words, we may be up to 30%. Right. Because that's not the consumption of the house. It's not 30%. No. It's not the consumption of the house. The consumption. We could potentially put on roof in line up and not overburden the system. Got it. The consumption of the house is 120% as always. The idea is that the market penetration of solar panels on buildings in Longmont could be up to 30% before we would have to fix the grid. Right. Right. Okay. When you're talking about grid, you're talking about distribution. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. So that's a local distribution. Yes. You can create yourself a bigger problem, Michael. Yeah. You can fix it by infrastructure. Yeah. Yeah, that's what we're referring to get out. And so the third point here on the distributed energy resources, an element of that is increasing or going up to the maximum sort of input that the city of Longmont as a whole residents and everybody can put back to the grid before it causes cascading infrastructure issues. Correct. Okay. Are there other clarifications or points about what specifically that recommendation is about? Let's go to city reductions and greenhouse gases. So this is about continuing as a city to advance and promote internal as well as external sustainability practices, particularly around greenhouse gases. So that's the greenhouse gas inventory, generally monitoring and managing city facilities and city buildings in integrity with the climate action resolution. What else does do the creators of this one want to add or say about that mostly get it. Okay. Questions, clarifying questions. Okay. And then workforce development really focused on understanding the current resources and assets and gaps in workforce education programs and then helping to fund and incentivize programs to move into jobs and positions that support renewable energy and weatherization and electrification, manufacturing, supporting industries, et cetera. Anything to add or clarify there? Moving on to transportation, increasing coverage and frequency of public transportation. So I think that that one's fairly intuitive, basically bolstering the public transportation system, making it easier and easier for people to use and choose public transportation options versus a single occupancy vehicle. Any particulars that anyone wants to point out about that one? I have a question about it. This does not seem to mention electrification of the transit vehicles. And I think it's in the... Ah, thank you. You know, we didn't write it up, but it is. We did more versus our transit. So that would be electric, you know, black and gas, those types of... And I think even in... If I remember the detail of this recommendation, it also talked about electrification of the fleet. Am I making that up? Okay. So I think it's just a little bit further in the deep. They got it, but I didn't. Okay. Thank you for the question. Education and partner with schools and multimodal options and benefits. Would you like to give a quick summary? Three parts. So one is working with school districts around clean review of electrification and all others. The second part is incentivizing programs for kids and families to do more biking and walking or maybe carpooling. So figuring out what incentives or fund incentives would be for kids. And then the third one is just overall education of younger and younger generations to fit around the importance of transportation that it offers. I think that this point is really important. So it goes across the three groups. We have talked about this and we didn't put anything that I think there should be something that sort of groups, renewable energy use, buildings and transportation. I agree with this. Yeah. To education. In particular, yeah. So round two includes a group that's exclusively dedicated to education and outreach. So both of young kids all the way through general public and targeted audiences and all that. So I think we'll get there for that one. And so Magnolia, just to be clear, this is all focused around school environments. So transportation to and from school, including the buses, including alternative modes for transportation to close to their schools. And then also education programs within the schools about transportation. Right. To get to school. Yeah. Great. Okay. The next one, incentives to use alternative modes of transportation. So I think there may be a little bit more to this one than is written here. But looking, you know, so maybe you can speak to this one a little bit further and I feel like I pointed at you, but you spoke up a minute ago about it. So I thought maybe it was yours. This is actually the only way that she could be here tonight. Can you give us a quick sense of what the gist of it is or is that not? If you haven't reviewed it and you're not sure, that's okay. Okay. We might hold this one unless we understand clearly enough what it. I'll just, while you're going through the other ones, I'll go with what you might know and see if I have anything to show you. Okay. Thank you. All right. So I'm in the Roughly Bikeway Network. I think that that's pretty straightforward. Close the gaps that are impediments to people riding their bikes from one place to another. That would be a gap analysis to understand where, if we don't already know, there's interruptions in bike paths and then create the infrastructure to close those networks. Alternative work schedules. So, yeah. That was mine. So, all right. That's all right. So that really is kind of more of a computer trip reduction program. So that's an employer-based program that works with the employees to offer a menu a lot, right? So not everybody is going to have the same solutions, but whether it's increased telecommuting or whether it's different work hours and just 8 to 5, so we don't get all on the roads and off the roads at the same time, those are all, it's a menu. So it could be, and it would be, there would be a small, I would say it's mostly voluntary, right? But realizing that, of course, that could ramp up if voluntary measures don't really show much improvement. So you start out that way and you figure out a way to partner with the businesses and give them to kind of a mind-beating champion within their organization to be an evangelist for the other employees. Right. So things like a 4-day work week might mean that you can also, you're not only reducing the commuter traffic and pollution from that activity but you can also potentially reduce your building emissions because you're not having to heat and cool the building necessarily or there may be areas within the building you can reduce, stop and go traffic actually causes quite a bit of pollution starting your vehicle in motion. It takes way more gas than if you can just keep cruising so that's why we want to kind of worry about peak traffic and the impact that it has. So, yeah. I think that at least this would also be the idea that, you know, if the trucks would work out or if there's a conflict, you don't have to take it out and you talk to each other and say, how are we working? Right. Right. So it's just not ready to work at all. Right. Yep. But it's still working even better. Right. Working, right. Working a normal eight-hour work day but having more remote is the option for that. Just another comment. This seems that it should be done with a sort of cluster of municipalities rather than you're involved in the long run. You're right. And that is something that's being discussed regionally in the next couple of years for our ozone problem. And so, but it may only start with like high, large employers. And so my thought there is that we want to make it, you know, more of a volunteer program. It would be good for small employers to also be given an opportunity. How was that? Could you repeat that? I'm sorry. I didn't hear your comment. This point seems that it would be more efficient if it's done across municipalities. Oh, my gosh. Okay. All right. And then the last one is renewable sources of power for transit. So I think, Phil, that's what you were saying, is that that would be a comprehensive incentivization for its electrification. And we're talking about all the transit agencies that are in conflict here. So I did find that right up from Delray. And so that, the incentivizing alternative modes of travel is largely focused on incentivizing charging infrastructure, particularly in high density areas like downtown Longla. So it says currently there's only one charging station in a public law in downtown and it's free to charge a vehicle. There are five additional parking lots that could have charging stations. So it's just creating a better electric vehicle infrastructure to incentivize people to utilize electric vehicles. And it seems I would be curious to hear from that group that there's a connection between that one and the renewable sources of power for transit? Or if those are distinct in your minds? I think the way it's written is kind of the same right now, but I would also probably want to add something about incentives. We're not all talking about modes, rather than just electric vehicles. But it's also back to, you know, the same about walking, biking, that goes beyond just this piece. Okay, so that the incentives would go beyond sort of vehicle charging stations to include more free routes, for example, on... All right. Let's go... So a little bit more work to do there, probably. Let's go to building energy use. So basically upgrading the minimum code compliance to the 2021 IECC, the... What's the IECC again? Instruction Code Council. All right, thank you guys. Blanking on that one for a minute. So most basically to be the most aggressive baseline codes that are available by the IECC. Isn't it the IECC too? The IECC, I think, is the umbrella of the IECC for buildings. There's all the ICOs. Okay, all right. That will also include adoption of embassies that are at the end of the code that are new to the 2021. Which will include solar energy, railroads as well as car charging station, railroads. Things that would promote the renewable energy sources and all those that are really new to the IECC, building buildings, trying to do what is going on in the marketplace or the building industry. And I think we should definitely take it very seriously. Yeah. There are some aspirational material uses that are carbon sequestering. So this, which is actually like a generation farther along than this. And I would like to add the recommendation that we do a review of the co-series beyond this looking at carbon sequestration and other forms of zero-energy buildings. Okay. So that would be a great comment during the revenue period, I think, for that one. All right. Electrification. So basically creating an electrification feasibility committee to oversee research and implementation of electrification for commercial and residential buildings. Anything to add to that or find questions for that? Just that we didn't think we could solve them by this first phase, so we don't need that. Yeah. And so is there a predetermined first phase timeline that we're working within? Well, that's what you're honoring, too, right? Oh, you're saying that there's enough complexity that it would be hard to do all of that? Right. So basically the recommendation is to begin a commission to do a much more in-depth investigation. But the good news is that there's already good work going on within the agency works, and so if you go set up people pushing people on that, you're gonna get me a couple of minutes. Okay. So something about your budget for this is, no, just that you sounded... Okay. That's right. That's right. That's $33. So it's not the first and third. So it's already... I was wondering if you could add a couple of people I'd say, so I just wanted to... So it's a little arbitrary, but great. Okay. But I appreciate the pointed specificity. Yeah. Yeah. Smart goals. I think that as we do these, this is one that has a lot of implications and overlap with the renewable energy. So if we develop a way to pull those interlocking pieces together like the AI and salt rooftop solar. Yeah. So I think... And we struggled with that a little bit in the beginning realizing that there are a lot of overlaps between building energy use and the source of energy where it's coming from and that sometimes that's, you know, building integrated solar. And we really steered the building's group away from that notion thinking that if all fell more in the renewables category to try to create some distinction, but in reality these things have overlapped. And so as we review the recommendations, you know, maybe there's ways to either combine ones if it makes sense, or to acknowledge overlaps within the recommendations. But it's a given and, you know, we kind of tried to... We can cross... Yeah, we can cross boundaries as needed. Okay, next one, commercial energy benchmarking. So a commercial energy benchmarking program would ultimately be a mandatory reporting program where commercial buildings initially over 20,000 square feet and ultimately over 5,000 square feet would need to report their building energy use. And then that becomes a tool and a number of ways to spur potential audits to help VCs understand what they're getting into, kind of like an MPG for your car. So anything more to add about what that program is or questions about what that program would do? So commercial energy or commercial efficiency rebates. And this would be, I assume this is about really advancing and accelerating existing programs that promote efficiency. Is there some more specificity that the author of this would like to add to? This is really working out with the efficiency works program which is pretty comprehensive, but we realize, I mean, we deal with several kinds of businesses a year who can get advantage of the rebates right now. Just get the word out. So it's really about furthering and existing program and accelerating efforts, increasing efforts towards an existing program. Commercial building, retrofemissioning and retrofits. So this feels a little bit tied to the one above. Should they be combined? This is, okay, so retrofemissioning or just kind of going back to the existing building and making sure that your step points are correct and the dampers are opening and all the building hours have been accounted for. But what we have done It's a bigger problem than you might think. It's a bigger problem. There's lots of savings sitting there. And we had found that this was not a real popular program as we roll about. We've done it for three customers a year. You know we've been popular for almost three. So it's going back in. There's maybe, here you can talk about that a little bit. There's more of a focus on small and medium businesses as well. And there's a specific program that we put together. But I'm never going to be working with them in addition to working with them as well as more of an ecosystem. So a little bit similar and maybe even the quality. Well, it's kind of a portion of that but it's really taking what we have out there in the past which was working too well and it's a really good program. Got it. Take it. Make it more fun. Okay. Residential efficiency improvements and rebates. So again, expanding it looks like quadrupling a program over the next three years to encourage residential interview efficiency. Is that a limit or is that about the average program? Right now it's a little under a hundred a year and when I look at that I compare it because the four cities work better so I look at what Cornell says they're twice their size maybe four hundred. So it's now kind of a lack of interest on the citizen level or I don't know their job. Right, so the point the answer to the question though is that it's not a limit it's the participation and there's funding for it but we're just not utilizing the program so we need to increase outreach and efforts to have people take advantage of the existing program. And I do want to mention two years ago I did go to that program at a five-year-old house and they found that my lower growth didn't have any insulation in it so it's a very good program. So as people move into their homes I hope it's fine. Then go ahead and find out oh gosh, they obviously got something out there. Okay, so then and then the low income residential energy program so the first one is a program that is low cost but that people still pay the next one is a program that is targeted specifically at households earning 80% or less of area median income and they can get free efficiency improvements to their homes and I will say one of the things about that is a place that is currently a low income residence will often continue to service low income families for years to come so it has a continuing benefit to it even if the current homeowner decides to move or so. Is this only for low income residents that own their homes or does this include rentals? Does it include rentals? Does it include rentals? Does that mean that the landlord is signing on? Right, because if that program is in your personal family homes it's not the multi. But it also works for mobile homes. But there is a different program that is good. Alright, and then the last one climate action fund program and staff. I don't understand this one can you please explain it to someone? Yeah, I don't know where they just put staff. Oh, I think it's probably because we're humans and we make mistakes that's why. Oh, I think it's saying that it needs a staff person. You need to add staff. So wait, can you explain another key objective or idea there? All of these changes that the city is going to mandate is going to put a huge burden on a big portion of the population of the city. So we need to bolster the already existing programs like care, emergency works and those programs but then we need additional funding. Right, so you can do it and rebates, credit, you know how are you to work it out? It's just money is needed. So we have talked about how to fold our county sustainability which is out collecting money in a year. So about 2.3 million of that comes from one of our residents. We send money working together to pull back $150,000 so since there's a little difference between $150,000 and 2.3 million but if that doesn't work then we know we need funding so if you look at the possibilities for development and I think part of that when we're talking about staffing is potentially subsidizing and or training individuals to do this work because a big problem that you run into with all of this is not having the I don't know if you call the employees to do this work and so a lot of this stuff is very work and it's all paid and people are not going to be willing to get into it so if you have a fund that could pull through those incomes to incentivize them to come out and actually do this work then I will tie it with that. So this is actually a broader funding notion than building energy use, right? It could cover, yeah, Francine? Yeah, absolutely, I thought I was going to do one of the staff that you were recommending for this wasn't just to help manage the fund but also acknowledging that there might be minimum income business because there are residents who want to do large projects but the need may be more moving to financing methods so having staff who could research more like creative financing that is like I think you mentioned on-bill financing or other things that could support those who maybe don't need like all the cost covered but could be still need some assistance to figure out all the funding. Okay, so what I'm taking away from that and I know it's an overly simplified version of what you're talking about but essentially to create an overarching funding mechanism to help support all of the above and what's yet to be created knowing that it's going to take more than the existing staff and resources to be able to effectively implement these programs so that they're resourced, they're funded and there's the talent in-house to do it and we're working on workplace development or whatever maybe needed so it's a this one's really in a category sort of unto itself so just out of clarification it doesn't really fit under the building energy use but it's a more umbrella notion around funding which is great and that's not a criticism in any way just acknowledging that for that all of us. Okay alright so that's a quick run through of where we are so far I know that you all have spent a lot of time and effort outside of this room to develop recommendations and to come up with the details and to work through the you know the groups and to put in your time after so I just want to really acknowledge and appreciate the tremendous amount of time and effort that everyone has put into getting us to this point and the short list does not reflect all of that work that we have many many many pages of documents that you all have sent us and can see that everyone's been really dedicated and working hard so so congratulations this is just a summary I'm thinking as I went through this I'm not sure that from this group I heard you know some ideas and I know that once we get the detailed recommendations you all will have some you know some comments to add to each other's work is there anything here that causes anyone a high degree of pause or that you are that you know you're already pretty concerned about so it's not about the particulars but just as a concept you feel like any one of these ideas causes you a high degree of pause as far as we would like to go into council with a fairly unified this group participated in the development of these recommendations and as a body we recommend these things so we may not all get to be 100% on all of them but I would like to see if we can't get everyone to at least a 60-75% comfort level with all of the recommendations are on the table so does anyone feel like you're at neutral or lower than that on any of the recommendations and right now and sometimes I do private voting where you guys can't see each other because I know it can be hard to raise your hand in this moment and be like this thing bothers me or I'm concerned about it so that's just a social reality but I'm going to trust that if you have that concern you would speak up at this point I will preface it by saying I'm not a part of this council but I as a citizen I don't know if I have the ability to speak at this point that I do I think technically you could speak at the beginning in terms of public invited to be heard and you can advise your advisory group but if there's comments outside of that I don't know what else to talk about yet thank you Josie I would like to make the opposite observation I think that there is not one item on this list that any of us would object to based on the 50 or 60 percent of you that I know in some way or another this is a perfectly fine list my opinion is that we are missing an opportunity to push the envelope because many of these things are already in Lisa's 2019 sustainability report and this is the time for us to jump up and down and say emergency we should be looking at 10 year plans for neighborhood electrification we should be looking at well one that I do think is sufficiently aspirational is zooming up the solar adoption and finding an equitable way to do that and so all this stuff is great but let's get greater let's try to let's try to widen this up this is our shot I think the one thing I'm thinking of Marcia I'm going to suggest is that we need to be working on beneficial electrification the state is already looking at what would a law look like for that and so we need to maybe put that on our our list to how do we make sure that neighborhood you know a water heater lasts X number of years and so if you go into say a development that's 10 years old and say when you replace your water heater it needs to be replaced with an electric water heater not gas and that we don't say change out all your appliances but that we say when it goes out it needs to be when your furnace goes out it needs to be electric so how do we put that big piece in here because that's one of the biggest areas that people are talking about right now is getting everything on the grid 200% renewable and then putting everything possible on the grid so I think that's one of the issues that our buildings really struggle with and that's why it's just such a big thing I think we need to do more I agree with the amount of time that we actually have to do this I don't think we can sit you know I mean we have a very short amount of time to try to accomplish a lot and there's so much we can do you don't have to figure out how to do it so the infrastructure half is in the distributed energy resources plan which is kind of long but the building people need to put the other side of the coin in which is how do we get these people to get the get the appliances that go with it and it is a citywide program on a probably next light time 6 what do you think Phil you're an engineer next light time 6 okay well anyway it's a big deal and it should be there because we need to get it in the collective mind now I think the other thing that I'm really opinionated tonight but on transportation I know that Fort Collins has had a program to where they had group buying options for EVs and so there's a huge rebate on I think it was a Nissan where they had the group buying options so how do we get people out of their ice car and into an EV and so that's another thing that I think you know I would agree with the larger that's about how big the handy as much as we can but I was also are already imperfectly in progress and I think we can just by tightening the time frame or pushing them along or complimenting them to what they're already doing I think there's creating new programs and things that are operating still at hand like the emergency work I started at 10% capacity of what they could should be and with more dedicated effort and resources that those could really reach their full potential okay well so yes I agree there is a lot of agreement and I think a call to say just a pause or question are we being aggressive enough in the recommendations and aspirations that we're making so the way we're going to move these forward I essentially just did you know we didn't go through one by one but as a group of recommendations you know we're yellow to green on everything with maybe some challenge to say are we pushing far enough with them but nothing that we feel like you know is going to be something that's going to be contentious among the group to move forward with so what we're going to do is I know we don't quite have all of the recommendations in and you know you may have a little bit more time if you're done you can say you're done and not continue working on your recommendation if you feel like you still need a little bit more time or you have not given us your recommendation the absolute deadline for that is March 5th so that is Thursday next week if you do not provide a recommendation by March 5th you're going to have to figure out how to get into round 2 with your recommendation but you're going to be doubling up your work and you may be putting yourself for those recommendations at risk of not being included whatsoever regardless of what we do or don't have on March 5th we're going to send them to be distributed for a detailed review to the group by March 9th so that will be digitally so all comments will be gathered on digital documents we will establish a way to do that so that we can integrate and see all of the comments and all of that so stay tuned for that and then your comments and we'll reiterate all of this in the email so you don't have to keep practicing this yourselves but then comments will be due by the 16th at that point you will these will go back to their authors for basically integration of the comments from the group and you will have some ability to try to make sense of the comments you got and to adjust for recommendations based on that so and then those will become essentially those will become final at that point I do want to just kind of add a sort of a caveat to that that we are going to be doing some community outreach during March as well and to the best of our abilities getting some community feedback on some of these draft recommendations too so we'll be bringing you that information as we get it so there might be some of that that comes after that 16th or whatever deadline but it will be before the end of March so that you kind of will have a whole picture to integrate, revise, modify as your group sees fit before they become final, final recommendations for them and then the round two drafts are also going to be due on March 16th so again we just, you know, basically we need to be wrapped up by the end of March so we have two more sessions as a group after this one can I really give you a question? Oh you're just stretching your body, that's fair too okay so does everyone feel reasonably comfortable with the process moving forward so round two so hopefully we're getting through the heavy lifting, right the three that we just did are the really big heavy lifts I think I might be wrong but we think, you know as far as greenhouse gas emissions from the city are concerned, that's certainly true we have covered the areas that have the greatest opportunity because it represents those three areas represent what 85, 90 more 95 percent of the greenhouse gas emissions for the city so that's you know, that's the heavy lift that's where we're going to continue to make sure we've got those recommendations as well developed as we can the three that are remaining are land use and this really we talked about being primarily related to a couple of things and I think this group is going to have a little bit of work to do to define this a little bit further for yourselves but we talked about planning and zoning and density and so that's part of it and I remember that there's been some recent updates to the land use code was that what it was so there's that, there's also the notion of carbon capture within the soil and carbon sequestration within soil so this group you're going to have to do a little bit of work to define specifically where you want to place your energy within this topic area education and outreach Peter I know you were really passionate about this one so I'm going to be really surprised if you don't join that subgroup and then adaptation and resiliency which is where one of the places that we put water conservation for example so you know we said water conservation doesn't really do much to mitigate climate change but we may have to adapt to changing availability of water regionally due to droughts this also has a lot to do with natural disasters how do we address perhaps increasing levels of hail, wildfires flooding, drought severe weather what do you want to add to that so there's like a strong public health and protection component right so extreme heat is hugely detrimental to the health particularly for older people people living without air conditioning heat stress causes any number of physical and health ailments climate change also brings a lot of different diseases so Zika and such could move Lyme disease is moving north so it changes and pests and certainly farm and food production and I know that's not a major part of Longmont proper but you know there may be changes to food availability and some of those kinds of things the one thing that's not sort of readily captured in here is probably waste it didn't come up super strong in our initial conversations although there's something to be said about waste and emissions and consumption and embodied energy and all of those kinds of things so I don't know if we want to tack that on maybe we do land use and waste together seems like that could potentially be a combination especially when we think about composting facilities and landfills and I'm seeing some nodding heads anyone opposed to me putting waste in this group also not opposed not opposed to it and I don't know how much this applies to Longmont oil and gas I mean they methane use or release of the atmosphere is massive compared to carbon monoxide dioxide methane is a much larger greenhouse gas and when oil and gas drill just don't get into the atmosphere so that seems like it could potentially be in this group yeah so there is a methane leakage problem that Longmont can address which is in our distribution system of methane and we don't do we have good figures on how leaky our natural gas distribution system is? All I have are what we have applied in our modeling is just the average that we know but we also acknowledge that we don't believe that that's very accurate that the best data we're going to get is from the new air quality study but it's going to be a couple years before we have to okay but that can still go in the plan beneficial electrification is a mitigation strategy for that because you can take it out or cap all the pipes they don't leak anymore so that could be part of land use as well as it's touched on in the existing beneficial electrification plan but we can like clean it up in land use. One of the things that Longmont does have that a lot of communities don't as we do actually have pretty accurate maps of where all those lines are. So let's go ahead and pick our groups I'm going to do this in no logical way other than I'm going to call your name and you tell me where you want to be and then we'll move people around if we end up with too much of a clustering in one place or another so Ann yours is the top of my list I don't know why you're just there I'd like the education Phil Michelle Michelle everybody is going to go for education I'll go for land use Alessandro Land use Andy well you know what we always have a chance to alright Greg I'll go for adaptation Marcia Land use I'll go to adaptation if it's there's too many Peter how did I know alright I promised you though alright Amy it's not I was like wait a minute she was here a second ago and Delrey is not here Jeremy I guess Magnolia I'll go to adaptation you're breaking mold Blas Education Adaptation and Karen I'll do adaptation can't pronounce it okay and then does anyone have any ideas I have a feeling that you're passionate about water conservation okay and then we have Amy Delrey and Solana I'm just thinking she would be good in that any ideas on Delrey and Amy we can also ask them yeah we'll come up with them alright and you know is everyone happy with where you are does anyone feel I can also ask this does anyone feel like they shouldn't be in a group and they need to keep working on their last round yes not going to mention the transportation group or anything but what do you think okay because we do want to get that you know we do want to work from the highest potential and highest important stuff first so prioritize your effort there if you have to pick one or the other alright okay so these are your these are your new groups so very different than the last one so we I want to acknowledge that we are all learning a little bit along the way together and as a group so I hope that this comes as a relief not a frustration to you but we've simplified the template a bit for round two and hopefully clarified it a little bit as well the frustrating part could be of like okay now the other ones are in this other format I don't want you to worry too much about it and at the same time if you feel like this really strengthens your recommendation you can use this template to modify your last recommendation we're not going to ask you to do that we may end up when we summarize things we may end up trying to reorganize things without modifying content so we these are your recommendations we are not here to change them but we might reformat them a little bit so that there's consistency in the document if that makes sense so at any rate the template is shorter now and reduces some of the redundancies that were in the last version and hopefully clarifies them so starting with the goal so it starts with the subgroup area recommendation title you all will get these then it starts with a one sentence description of the desired outcome of the recommendation so that's the goal or objective that's similar to what is on this sheet these aren't perfect examples but they are examples of what that first basic overview of what the recommendation is second recommendation summary so describe the policy or solution informed by science and equity three to five sentences but no more than two or three paragraphs and this is in the smart goals and I know that some of you struggle with that a little bit this is based exclusively on smart goals so S is for specific what will be accomplished what actions will you take who is involved what are you trying to accomplish a general time frame with more information and where does the action take place so there's I think a little cleaner prompts for that one measurement describe how we will measure progress for this specific or recommendation what are we going to use on if and how well we're meeting the goal and what is the source of the metric achievability under what conditions is achieving the goal realistic what are the necessary skills and resources so this is where the financial summary goes so that's still informed by the template and you can still use that template to help you move through the process of getting to your recommendations but what are the funding needs and possible sources of funds for implementation and also marketing training and incentives actions you need to enable passage and or successful implementation of the policy or solution are in smart relevance how does the goal align with mitigating and adapting to climate change why is the result important consider both the hard and the soft benefits time bound the time frame to accomplish the goal and the key milestones and then finally social and economic impacts that might be impacted in how including benefits barriers and potential negative outcomes includes suggestions for how to mitigate any potential negative outcomes so it's shorter hopefully the directions are cleaner and clearer and you've had a little practice so the second round we're hoping should be an easier lift than the first and then I'm not going to read through this but we did, I did do a sample recommendation and I took the commercial building benchmarking as an example it was fairly random in my selection it was one I knew a little bit about so it was easier for me to use and what you can see is how we filled it out with the new template so you can see an example of some of the language and it even includes we decided this was a good idea a few of the comments that we had as reviewers to see how might we make that particular recommendation more specific or more what a reviewer's comments might potentially look like so hopefully a little bit of resources to help you expedite and upgrade your process a little bit for round two everyone will get a copy of this and we'll make sure every has digital copies of everything as well as we didn't print out one of these for everyone on this but we can if we need to and similarly to last time I had information packets for some of them are not as extensive as the last time but it has the spreadsheet with the synopsis of current city efforts and the current data that we have available the envision, lawnmower and sustainability plans for reference and a couple of other things that are more specific to the subgroups and we have some additional things that we can send you individually to give you a huge stack of information but something to get you guys started and they do each group has that big 11 by 17 perfect that you can reference on like the DeBoston okay so for this we're only going to have about 20, 25 minutes for you to get together on your groups and we're not going to have a working session beyond this one in this room for these groups just because we're running out of time running out of time so this is your time to come together as a group maybe get your preliminary list of ideas together and then sort out who's going to help you some of the administration and how you're going to work together for identifying and completing room 2 recommendations so that was the 4-hour action next week then thank you for asking so next week we're going to bring this group together with the Just Transitions Plan Committee and the idea is that you will take one of the recommendations that you came up with and work through that recommendation in detail with members of the Just Transitions Plan Committee and working on reviewing some of these ideas and sharing how those plans and recommendations might affect them in their communities so it will be a deeper dive to get equity input and feedback on some of the recommendations that have already been developed and we'll do a little bit of an introduction session in the beginning around equity what is equity, what does it mean, what does it look like what is the working definition of equitable climate action that that group has been developing so it will be some deeper time now we may be able to ranch for a little bit of working group time during that session but we mostly want to take advantage of our collective time together to bring more awareness about how the recommendations may affect communities in ways that we didn't anticipate anyone W, do you want to add anything to that or Francie? 3 to 5 recommendations like the first round for this, yeah okay so why don't we very arbitrarily let's do group 1 group 2, group 3 group 4