 Cut the tail off the slaughterhouse on it. It's a c**k. Haha! I don't even really eat much meat, to be honest, do I? So it must be easier for you to change them? Yeah. So that's just right. No, this is right. You know you need much already, you can just kick that, eh? Why don't you show this thing? Start with your species, innit? Start with people first. Oh, my God. They don't know. So if they don't know, it's okay to kill? Do you know what this is? No. This is a gas chamber. Is it wine? It's for pigs. Where is this? They have these in the UK. 60% of the mother pigs in the UK are housed in these crates. They're culling off the piglets there, chop their tails off so they don't bite their tails and that in confinement. Well, they think that it prevents tail-biting, so they just cut it off to prevent it, basically. So they got less to worry about, really. Cut the tail off the slaughterhouse on it. Cut his tail off. Give him some karma. Do you know why I'm here by tail? It's a c**k. Haha! This is our dairy industry, they inseminate the cows. Oh, my God. They take the calves so the calves can't take the milk so they can sell the milk to humans. When he was younger, this person in Italy was giving cows milk, as soon as they passed the year... They tell you that? ...giving cows milk to this, so everybody's kind of... Programmed. So, yeah, you know how it goes. Yeah. But you can break free from that, eh? Yeah, of course you can individually. Yeah, you yourself. Push for individual change, because I think that the power is with the individuals. The only reason these places exist is because the public here create the demand for the products. See you on social media. Hey, brother. You do a good job, mate. Thanks, brother. I appreciate that, mate. Thank you. Yeah, so we talk to the public and tell them, if you don't like what you see, stop giving them the money. I don't eat dairy anyway. Yeah, we don't eat dairy or eggs either, because these are often from the dairy industry, so the dairy industry do the same thing that the meat industry does. It's a calf in a bin dead at a dairy farm. Do you eat these animals? Yeah. Yeah. So asking people not to, basically. My friend, it's not as bad as, you know, these things to see on Brazil, Venezuela. Cartels. Why don't you show these things? Oh, cartels who do this to people. Yeah. Because you don't pay for cartels to chop fingers off, but the consumer here pays for these animals to be chopped up. For drugs. You don't take drugs, do you? No. Most people here, they're against animals being killed, but they also pay for it. It's not nice. But start with your species, isn't it? Start with people first. Why can't we do both? Priority. Because most people here don't kill people. Way more murders happening in this industry. Yeah. And everyone supports it. Everyone can agree that cartels, killing people is wrong, but everyone here is eating these victims. I thought either you carry people, or you care about animals. They care about them, but then these places only exist because of the public. People keep buying it, they keep supplying it, and the animals keep getting killed. But until everybody starts doing it, it's going to be a nightmare, isn't it? Yeah, I know. I don't wait for everyone to do things. The point is, I don't see the point. Like you said, there's just too much of it going on. But back in the days, hundreds of thousands of years ago or whatever, you'd have your own, you yourself and family, you'd have your own stuff. Whereas now, they're providing for the masses, which is what's causing the problem. Yeah, but, you know, how many animals go to the slaughterhouse just for you each year? Yeah, exactly. So you can stop that? That's the problem, though. Everybody's doing it, isn't it? We're going to stop, isn't it? If we thought that about every single injustice in history, we'd never try to change it, would we? Halal, all the way through. We'll throw them in a nice way. Sorry? No? Do you think there's a good way to kill someone? Yuthanas. So if the cartel euthanised people, that's okay? But they don't know. They don't know? No. So if they don't know, it's okay to kill? It's fine. Yeah. Okay, if someone doesn't know, if a human doesn't know, it's okay to kill a human? No. Why? What's the difference? One's standard for us, different standard for them. Double standard. They don't want to die just like I don't want to die. Many, many years ago, there was all these factories creating these animals to then feed the masses, whereas if you were somewhere and you were out looking for your food, I'd see that as a bit different. I know the value of the animal is still the same. I get that, but the way that they produce everything now... Yeah, it's worse. It's worse, but I still don't think, like, the good way. There is no good way, but you understand now. Yeah, even like, well, I mean, I could walk up to this guy, he looks like he's happy, free-ranging, he's smiling and laughing. I could walk up to him and go... Shoot him in the back of the head, as long as his family didn't know. Put him in the car, like, you know... Yeah, it's all hot, it's all hot. He wouldn't feel a thing, dude. The problem, that's the problem. Is that good? What do you think we're asking people to do today? Really, we're awareness. Make creative awareness. What do you think we're asking for people to do with that awareness? What can you do about this, do you think? When you make the choice. My research, to see what's up. Yeah, and then what can you do with that information, like, in your own life? I wouldn't do it a lot, because I know this is going on. Yeah, I don't even really eat much meat, to be honest, do we? So it must be easier for you to change then? Yeah. Sit up, this is what... No, this is what... You don't eat much already, you can just kick that, eh? I'll tell you what I do. For nearly 10 years, I've been a vegan, and I've been telling people about this to help other people stop eating it. So that we create a change in the business through supply and demand. You can have personal power in your own life, and you don't have to cause this to happen. You can be one person that says, I'm not going to cause this to happen. I can't control everyone else, but I'm not going to participate in this because it's wrong. Were you a vegan from the start, or after you were a vegan? I became aware and then I became vegan, because I didn't want to contribute to the industries that do this to animals no matter their species. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If they're a sea animal, or if they're a bird, or if they're a lamb, or if they're a pig, they all have their own subjective experience. I thought it's wrong for me to get some pleasure out of them being exploited and killed. Absolutely. If I don't need to, yeah. It's so big. Oh, my God. If you, as a family, had to see the cow here, and the cow was playing with a kid or whatever, like, walking up and down the mountain. And I said, OK, now I'm going to shoot this cow in the head, cut their head off, cut their stomach out. People are blowing to the fact that the process they take to get there. All right, how about I put a wool here, and I'll say I'm going to do it behind the wall when you get to see it. Just like you say, it's... OK, so further disconnect. When I say people are blowing to the process, they don't want to know what happened, so they're just happy to see it on their plate at the end of the day, really. I don't approve of that. I don't agree with... Slaughter. Yeah. I don't. Never what can you do to change it? I don't know. It could be a vegan. We kill more animals in four weeks than the number of human beings that have ever existed in the history of Earth ever. Only 100 billion people have ever lived. We kill more than that in four weeks. And you, you kill probably around... We're responsible for about 200 animal deaths a year, killing. A year? Unjustifiable killing. So every year, hundreds of animals are being killed for you, just by what you consume. So if you go vegan, that's 200 murders stopped. That's if you see animals as worthwhile beings. Do you want a sudden death? Yeah. They don't deserve this. Because we're talking about for a sandwich. We're not talking about, oh, we have to kill them to survive. We're going to die if we don't, like... I don't know how people think about it. People don't think about it. People don't think about it because they don't see it. A lot of people that care are shocked. Some people just walk past, they don't care. But we want to find the people that do care and ask them to stop contributing to it, be vegan, and live in alignment with their values and then ask others to do the same so we can create change. I just think we need to change the way that they inform people because... But you can be informed. There's a lot of bulls*** around. There's a lot of propaganda around. The news tells us bulls***, but you have to have your own beliefs. Yes. And if you think, like, slaughtering animals is wrong, then you can find ways around avoiding that from happening. I don't think so. See, that's the problem. We don't avoid it happening. In your life, though, like... Because, like, you can't stop, like, people from doing bad things. And I don't say, well, people aren't going to change, so I'm going to go do some bad things right now. Because it's about... Morality is about your contributions or something. The problem is it's like a double-edged sword. The mass production, I believe, is wrong. But if I had my own land and stuff, I wouldn't have my own animals. And would you shoot them in the head? Well, that's the problem with some of it. It's like a double-edged sword. Would you shoot them in the head? If I had to survive, yeah. But it's... You don't have to survive. Yeah, that's the problem in this day and age. We don't need that. Okay, so then why would you do it then? That's what I'm saying. We had to. If we were in that position. No, like... If we were in that position. You had to be your family and you were going to die or something. Man, I've just been going to this sh** if I had to do, you know... Of course, you'd just go, you'd switch, turn into a soldier or something, you know what I mean? The problem these days is everybody's catered for. Yeah, exactly. So we've got freedom of choice now. That's even better. Yeah. So we've got less excuses now. We'll be vegan, bro. That's the best way to stop this and tell other people about it. And then you can make other impacts through other people as well. And if we all did that, these place shut down. Yeah. They only operate because of us. It's a supply and demand system. So you can put your money into plant-based food. They're not always perfect, but they're a million times better than this. And that's the best option we have. If there's a better option than plant-based food, then we go for that. But right now it's accessible, plant-based food, plant-based burgers, vegan meats, vegan this, vegan that. Every single fast food place, you can get something. When you're in Tesco's, here and there, you can get everything. Millions of times better than this. You've got no right to do that. They've got legal right to do it, but we're asking for actual rights to protect animals from this. But, you know, whilst people are paying for it, really, it's nothing's going to change. Yeah, that's right. Everybody take that order. So when you leave here today, you have choices to make. You can either make a vegan choice, where you know animals are not being exploited and killed, or you can make non-vegan choice, which can guarantee something like this is happening. I don't think all this should be scaled back on. There shouldn't be having hundreds of thousands of animals slaughtered each year just to feed. Can any scale it back if we scale it back to demand? And we can only do that if people stop making up the demand, so... Tim, I'll see this question. Can you love animals while you eat them? Same time. Loving, eating. Do you think those two things contradict? I think yes. You can't love people and eat people, can you? Maybe you love some people, eat others, but you don't love people as a whole. I've only got a couple of these, but I thought because you seem like... You really want to... It's just free help. This is just some wet-a-shop. Happy Cow, find vegan restaurants. Really good app, anywhere you are. You should use an app called Happy Cow. Happy Cow. It's really good app, and you can find vegan options everywhere. Wherever you are, right here in Birmingham. Sure. Simple. That's it. You shouldn't eat it. You shouldn't eat it. That's it. Yeah, it's your... You know what I heard in America? There's two. There is one saying, the worst animal you can imagine is the whole world. It's a mirror. It's a mirror, because it's human beings. Exactly. I wrote that, I totally understand. And the biggest enemy is apathy, people not caring. It's the enemy to the animals, because they're not going to change, and they just walk past and without a care. It's the people that do care that we need to help make the change. Yeah.