 What's up everybody? I'm Rayman Sean and I'm Kovir and we are back with episode number 28 of No Labels Necessary Podcasts, catch us on YouTube, Apple Music Spotify, wherever you stream your podcasts. And we're back with content culture and music business discussions as always. And as you know, every single episode, we like to start off with a little bit of advice. Today, we got some advice from one of the biggest content creators in the world, arguably the biggest content creators in the world. So you might want to listen to him when it comes to content advice. MrBeast, check out this clip. And I think it's going to give you a great perspective. How do people get analysis paralysis? And they'll just sit there and they'll plan their first video for three months and any of you listening, especially if you have zero views on your channel, your first video is not going to give you a period. It's not your first 10 are not going to give you a second. Very comfortably say that. So stop sitting there and thinking for months and months on end and just get to work and start uploading. All you need to do. This applies to people who have not uploaded videos, but have dreams of being a YouTuber is make 100 videos and improve something every time. Do that. And then on your 101st video, we'll start talking like maybe you can get some views, but you know, your first 100 are gonna say, just make 100 videos, improve something each time and then talk to me on your 101st video. Wise words. Wise words. There's a lot of things I got in mind, but I want to know what you think first. Yeah, man, I agree with him. I think, you know, analysis paralysis is the real thing. I feel like artists always expect everything to go amazing out the gate. And the reality of it is that more than likely isn't going to be right. Like, you're not even gonna get close to that. So if the content game specifically, I look at as a marathon of like attrition, you know, saying, like, who can stay long enough to learn the skills that kind of make them better, know who can stand it long enough to learn how to be entertaining. And the reality of it is that that's probably gonna take you a couple of hundred videos, at least a couple of tens of videos, you know, but in reality, probably a couple of hundreds of videos to even get decent at it. You know, and I feel like a discouraging is that my sound, it's also kind of liberating, man. You know, that means there's no pressure on your first handful of videos, even like nobody's looking at your first couple of videos and like, oh, this shit is shitty. That's crazy. We're like, nah, bro, we get it. You know, we just started posting yesterday. So there's this stat from Scale Fluence saying it took an average, know what I'll say this way, for the top 50 YouTubers. Okay. How long do you think it took them to get their first video that did millions? Like in time or like amount of videos in time, in time, probably three years, three years. Yeah. So most of the top 50 youth YouTubers, it took them four years and seven months on average to get their first video that did millions. That's crazy. That's crazy. It takes time. Yeah, that kind of lines up with our whole like six to seven year artist name. It's like writing the same bucket, you know. Right. Right. Is that development? And Mr. Beast, I like what he said, not just because of the idea of like make a hundred videos, but basically I like the fact that it's actually straightforward and he tells you something that's actually useful because a lot of people might just hear, oh yeah, it's going to take you a long time or just create a lot of videos and don't look at your views. That sounds fluffy at this point. But if you listen to him, he said create a hundred videos and improve something every single time. And then we'll talk about your views. Right. If y'all who have been listening to the podcast, right, y'all know at the very least when we came with this thing, the audio wasn't popping, right? Things weren't working. We kept telling y'all, give us some time, give us some time from the very beginning. And of course we had already created content before. We only at least four thousand and one or something. Yeah. We had already done well, but it was a new thing that we were coming into and we approached it just the same. Right. So we used this. We dropped content, the audio wasn't right. Then we had to figure out videos, take feedback. There's some feedback we still haven't got a chance to apply yet, but there are so many things that we're going to improve. And we aren't at a hundred videos yet for this podcast, right? We're at what? Well, 28. Yeah, 28. Right. But every little thing, you know, hopefully we're making it better and better. So that advice of just improve, improve, improve and don't focus too much where we're in a position that we already have people who are watching us from one reason another. So we didn't start with zero where we like, we got zero views. It would be like, yo, bro, all right. So it's crazy. Right. But with that same idea, when you already have a following, you have to still be willing to go through that process in front of people like what we did and what we're still doing. And then not be overwhelmed by the feedback. Yeah. Right. Yeah. It's like, yeah, okay, bro. I know you want to see us do this, but we're not going to do this yet. I know you want to see us to do this and some things we are still going to do some things we aren't going to do. But our process, because I don't even want to say what we're not doing. Like for people who gave that feedback like, nah, we ain't doing that right now, or we're not going to do it at all. Just know that even if we are going to do some things, if we do it out of order, when we're trying to figure out what's working and what's not, then it's going to confuse us and we won't know if our podcast did well because of this or if it did bad because of that. Yeah. All right. Because we just tried to do everything at one time. We knew improving the audio is going to be one of the best things that we could do, right? Yeah. All right. Making sure we are consistent and understanding how many topics we want to talk about, how long we want to go and playing around with that type of chemistry and getting used to flipping the thing around in our current format. All that stuff was just going to improve the flow of of the podcast and how we approached this. And then we might look at graphics or the thumbnails or like and we went through a couple of thumbnail iterations already. Right? Yeah. All right. So, then we found our bag on that. Now, there's some other things that we're going to tackle, right? So, and stay tuned. You know, this next few episodes, y'all are going to get some surprises actually. So, that's something that I think people should keep in mind. As a matter of fact, another thing that I can say we haven't done yet and held off was interviews. Yeah. All right. It's like, let's understand what we're doing, how we want to go about this, how we want to have our format. Yeah. So, we can know ourselves before we do collapse. You know what I'm saying? Bring somebody into a hurricane. Yeah. We bring somebody into a hurricane or somebody comes and pops us off and we don't even know who we are yet. You know what I mean? Yeah. We got this random audience of people that come in and now we got to give them more of that. We feel that urge to keep speaking to them in that voice when it's like that's not even who we wanted to be and how we wanted to go about it. Yeah. Yes. We put ourselves through the artist development and you know, only say that not to brag but like just to give you guys insight of what we're doing so you can see it in real time and also to say like we truly are like students of this as well and we try to just share our thoughts throughout our process whether it's what we're actually doing on the music marketing side or what we're doing on our own side for our individual content creation because sure we really are curious about this and we and it also helps to just talk about it because it helps harden our own thoughts you know and its own way. It's the things we think about as you know technically content creators and I think the the interesting thing too about the hundred video point is I personally feel like for a new content creator it probably takes you about 40 to 50 videos to get comfortable anyway. Like I think about when I first started Crank. It took yeah really it probably took me at least like a year and a half two years while I'm making content so probably like you know around video like 60 70 I was just kind of like all right but it also exibited because of like doing like live streams and like the network calls and things like that so if you take that out who knows how long it took right so if you think about it and it might take you 30 to 60 videos to get comfortable and then that becomes the point where like you do okay right that's your new ground zero okay but you know video 60 is like where you still got like nail your next 40 videos might be decent you know what I'm saying or like your next whatever might be decent so so I think there's kind of aspect of it and I was actually going to have a consultation call today about this exact same conversation really yeah it's crazy that's why this is popular I wish I thought about this video while talking to her I was like yeah watch this shit me know what you're saying but but I was breaking down to her that when you're in this stage of figuring it out yeah it feels shitty but if you if you believe that you're going to be continuing to do this and that you're really going to stick this arse thing out then this is just one just a part of your catalog right no different than if you make music today and you drop the shitty song in 2016 there's no different that I could still go your Spotify and listen to that shitty song in 2016 but you better do that right and like but I as a fan I like being able to go back and listen and see like man it's no it was trash back then but he kind of sobbed now right I look at the same thing with content whenever I found a content crater on any platform that I like one of the very first things I do was scroll down their page and look at their their first question that I like yeah but man let me see where bro came from man you could you see crazy shit but he was like man he was in like a closet with the lights off and like a a cheap ring light of some shit man he got 10 million views on the video right it'd be crazy you know so so when you know in the future when people are coming in to your phone when you when you hit your hundredth video 150 whatever when when things start to work for you now these older you know less great videos are a part of the narrative and they social prove you right right it's proof that had this person has been here grinding for a minute doing things he or she didn't come out of nowhere like I can go back and see their tiktok from 2019 they're trying to figure it out or whatever so I think that there's a valuable part in it in that aspect of it if you are an artist that seriously deep down believes that you gonna be here for a while and she's gonna at least be trying for a while you know what I'm saying there's one of those things like the thing I tell artists is like if you plan to do the hardest thing for at least the next like two to four years then you know get started you plan on quitting you know what I'm saying anytime in that time then no waste of time you know what I'm saying I can get why you want to do it in the video look that goes along with this other step by TubeFilter where they say that it takes an average of 22 months for a channel to reach 1000 subscribers on YouTube damn that's crazy 22 months so two years after that yeah damn that's crazy yeah so two years before you get that honey not honey okay that uh monetization basically that's like yeah that's right actually which I would get it's like no it's almost like a high level internship let me see you grind this out for a minute before I start paying you that's what I feel like let me see if you got the dedication and the drive to stick it out over here you know I wouldn't say they're keeping people from being successful but you know they don't make it much easier on you for sure let's see this other topic though on Bram and Network there was a really really good question someone posed for those of y'all don't know about Bram and Network Bram and Network dot com right now it is free and that's where we put all of our strategies in the form of free courses that we get from our marketing agency and running big campaigns now CJ Jordan Alexander said what business do you steal your ideas from he said hey I've been paying attention to the e-learning community for a bit of time and I've been thinking about how artists can take things from that business model and apply them in their careers what industries do y'all think are worth paying attention to all right so let's see what the answers are I actually needed to get CJ to say what did you learn from the e-learning community but I have some things that I obviously applied to it hey there for the sake of a specific example consider real estate maintaining a property along with having the right team for marketing and keeping customers in house no pun intended is very similar to how artist brands are managed in business some similarities include investing in the necessary maintenance costs for an attractive house or unit having music someone will listen to you will make sure it's quality by buying the right equipment and having production engineering to be optimal okay so investing in maintenance knowing the market who lives there keep potential customers close to buying case tenant leaves that's interesting okay so knowing your fan base and where your strengths are in the music domain allows you to thrive all right I see that so having a manager or advisor on your team as an artist having the right property manager to deal with tenants and other back end work okay so I'm not going to read all day I gave an example y'all could pause the screen or just go to brandmannever.com again it's free azure milanio shout out to azure milanio man he he's experiencing a big moment right now um song doing what over the last week did like three million streams almost something crazy like that in the last week some yeah maybe two or whatever but a shout out to azure uh like maybe we'll do an interview on of them at some point I pay attention to the real estate game too a lot of youtubers I watch do that real estate talk about business credit and how to leverage debt in order to make deals I'm basically doing the same thing with my music now he's leveraging credit oh yeah yeah debt to make your deals hey man agent then walk me through that agent yeah we gotta talk to you man because he's the money man who was doing the stuff with the grants and everything like agent knows how to get that money by Brian Burnett says I've been writing down a lot of ideas that I've been getting from brands like Geico and State Farm I believe the way they make random funny moments into overall idea of buying the insurance is genius and can be used in any content creative strategy I like that yeah it's interesting I like that one yeah so because it forces you to think about how can I be creative more than just that straight line of listen to my song or pay attention to me as a whole you know what can I do creatively and that goes back into the people who like bring people into their universe instead of just I don't know just saying hey I got good insurance yeah exactly exactly and go straight to the it costs x y and z cheaper than such and such right yeah they go about it in a different way matter of fact SNL because of that they did this state farm commercial last week or this skit it's actually pretty funny the only thing I've laughed at about SNL in a minute okay I was like damn it was dark no not ever yeah that's not ever but no they're not that funny but show to me bro they're not that funny when I was younger I liked mad tv better and mad tv probably isn't even all that funny either I felt unnecessary you'd already made the point I've been paying attention to a lot of e-learning businesses okay so CJ let's see because of how efficient I think they are they have to make valuable content regularly to stay relevant and then they are designed with very low overhead compared to other industries I'm still looking at other models to learn from okay the low overhead keeping things tight creating content from your room or figuring out your own system because yeah we obviously have a content model all right then we have the content that we create that can't even be put out into the world so that's the content you got to pay for yeah all right I think that he's missing the idea of community I know a lot of e-learning people don't do that but we do community very well yeah all right that's something to take advantage of like breast CJ you are in the community right now making his comment so but I like the idea overall of using businesses and other models to be inspired by I think that's how you innovate by looking at other spaces and figuring out how you can flip that and apply that to your own whether that's want to back in non-creative or the creative side of things yeah I mean man to be honest man the innovation part is like who I think you have to do it just to learn shit about business in general because music business information as as great as has gotten I think in like recent times last couple of years still pretty fragment you know what I'm saying yeah a lot of the information tends to be more geared towards like artists and you know more like the the music side of the business you know what I'm saying and I still think that there's a large gap the vibe between artists and like everything else about the music industry right so like I always look at us for example like you know we have a sales team right we have sales people we do sales thing I didn't learn anything about building out a sales team from anything music industry related I had to go look at sales and in other places real estate insurance I'm saying clothing stores I worked at to learn that shit like nobody in music would teach me sell so yeah even I think yeah you're right like to be able to because things that are usually innovative in music are like the things and other things like y'all just now doing that that's pretty y'all just using SMS blah blah so yeah I think you're right there but like just to like start learning some of these baseline business fundamentals that like you're not going here from a song or just know randomly pick up on my tip like sometimes you got to go outside music to learn and I think that the best people in music know how to do that you know how to go look at another industry learn from it and then like okay cool let me come out over and do that because like I said like it's what's innovative in music is like regular business in other industries yeah yeah now that's that's very true and like every industry has its strengths right music will be marketing yeah you know media manipulation so there's a lot of industries that are pretty slow on that where you know if you take that and put it over there they got the other 98% figured out I know they got they they have building a real business figured out yeah exactly that's the thing music knows how to get all the attention a lot of people get really good at those type of tactics but don't understand how to create an actual business out of it and then they don't get the money yeah right which is the point of business so if you want to go and grade it in terms of actual business yeah in general there's a lot of other industries that had that figured out a lot better and for far less people right and far less level of success have more money right yeah it's crazy bro like you'll start learning from these other industries and start doubting why your music like why am I over here like why am I you made how much this week and that's crazy bro like let's not bring that up let's not bring that up bro I think what I mean what about the marketing for insurance companies bro probably I probably have at least 20 million right now hey bro it's not too late you're right it ain't too late it's not too late thanks you like bro hey man you know just like the same artist playing man you know do what you do in music but then monetize yeah yeah still gonna get that that money money in other places I mean we talk about a lot about artists doing that but the business people we know most of them do that too that's true bro like the ones who are really really entrepreneurial and getting it have the money money they they're getting money out of music too yeah I think I think I could sell insurance like I have a clean record you know you might sell it or you want to market it's different I mean both honestly well I don't want to be one so that's what I'm saying I'm thinking you're already gonna show up at your door no no no no okay yeah I just want to market it and own it as a max okay like like Kory's life insurance plan eight dollars a month dang it's like no creativity in that name don't fly away insurance that will look speaking of advice and money and those type of things there's a lot of artists that have advice these days they they make a thing it's almost cool to just drop your advice and your piece of mine it is getting cool for us yeah it is it is so a post from underground sounds I actually want to highlight this where they highlight what they call the best advice from fellow artist artists now you know we can be agree or disagree about some of these pieces of advice you know we should approach it agree or disagree agree or disagree yeah yeah yeah just a meal says keep working on your craft and be a social butterfly for real talk to more people engage with fans or listeners to be a real person for real and be consistent yeah your name yeah I agree with that yeah yeah you gotta music is all is a is a juggling act between finding time to do your work and finding time to go talk to people so I agree that I agree with that okay fair enough fair enough I like the way you worded it up yeah all right so Wolf Ace Joey says don't be a fucking goober follow your heart no I think you can't be a goober I think sometimes you should go the opposite direction of your heart sometimes your heart can lead you wrong that's what I was gonna say I'm gonna say they just cuz I don't know where some people's hearts are going yeah some people hearts I can't trust yeah exactly right I'm not with that one uh Paris TW says don't forget to enjoy life with the people you love when you fail wait no when you fall in love with creating music it's easy to lock in so much that you neglect what actually matters in the world hmm I'm gonna let the artists you know decide on that but I feel like that's a personal thing yeah like I enjoy my crowd so much I ignore what's going on around me I I agree with that you know I think entrepreneurs in general have a bad habit of locking that so that's why I can't quite I don't know man bad or good man I see I feel like that that's just relative man yeah I feel like we spent a lot of time listening to people telling us what creates maturity what creates being immature what's important what's not important and I feel like that scale is relative like maybe I'm less mature in that category that you think matters and I don't think that should matter so maybe I don't want to be mature in that category yeah but I'm very mature and understanding the things that I want to understand but you know it's funny I just saw this tweet yesterday that said um I'm so glad that we as a generation all decide to start ironing clothes at the same time and I thought that was so funny because I was like oh my god it's not just me I'm ironing clothes man right ironing clothes really like bro what like a hand iron I've used a hand iron at least like this is crazy bro you talk well the iron is it I mean that's a good point you know what I mean you got like the steam pressures which are basically like long board irons you know what I'm saying but like I just thought my shit in the uh dryer was my excuse you know I call it that right you need a decent dryer to be able to do that I've had dryers that can't accomplish it you need a dryer that can hit at least like 200 degrees bro you're good all right I look I just got a new dryer you know what I mean and and that has worked but I've had a dryer for years that just that didn't work man I'm like what is this just throw it in the dryer and be unwrinkled what is it beautiful I haven't touched and actually the last of my years I don't move in LA for that conference oh yeah that was that was my choice I iron man I'm cool ironing I don't know about y'all I'm cool ironing man I got that from my my grandpa it was a whole thing it's like therapeutic for me so I'm good turn on some music motherfucking iron bro it's straight but I don't know there's a lot of times I don't iron up too it's not like I'm ironing everything where you see them people with the crazy creases in a sweat suit or something like nah that's a different thing but you can't be crispy all the time yeah no then they don't know then they don't notice you know now Midwest says don't try and be someone you aren't you should always be yourself and embrace the things that make you unique as an artist and a person not attempting to create someone else's I'm gonna say yeah on that one yeah I'm with that 100 man yeah you is what makes you unique official now how to express you and getting good at that whole process that's a whole different yeah that's a whole different game a whole different conversation yeah star marcy says consistency self-discipline humble yourself then strive to be the best version of you possible okay I like it I'm yeah you ain't it I I say yeah with context right I think it works not from the idea of lack of progress because a lot of times people like you're fine just where you are maybe I'm not fine just where I am you might be fine with me where I am but I ain't fine yeah you know I'm saying so it's not just being comfortable where you are and like yeah I'm already someone who's worthy and I'm not into that type of like speech personally you don't do nothing for me but the idea of paying attention to me to constantly improve me is good right so like the best version of me might be okay I'm good at this or I'm not good at it and I'm only focused on improving that thing versus paying attention to someone on the outside and doing this arbitrary comparison that's still not actually gonna make me better anyway it can only make me feel worse unless I choose to get inspired by it but you know that's for some people that's a trickier game a lot of people get demoralized by somebody else's success yeah I grew up so you know that's that's my caveat when I see that 1916 frosty I like that name make sure you know who you're doing business with and have a lawyer look over any and all agreements verbal agreement or being homies ain't enough it's a biz at the end of the day I gotta yeah that gotta yeah bro yeah man gotta yeah that or gotta Kanye that cuz you know Kanye don't like them contracts I do feel like we are in a space where like contracts on this frequent maybe because of the space that we come from you know what I'm saying like I don't feel like I don't know but I would say for safety reasons like when in doubt have a lawyer look over yeah yeah I think things like contracts 100 percent matter um there's times that you can technically go without when you're not you know doing business on a certain level yeah um a certain period of time right it might not be worth the investment to find out you fail you invest $5,000 and create a contract a contract and the product that you're trying to sell ain't even gonna sell you know what I mean yeah so that's true and can you take that risk when you know you only making a thousand dollars a month or something right yeah that's a great point yeah you don't make sense for everybody at the beginning um but that is something that you want to be able to bring into your system as soon as you can yeah yeah I agree I agree oh okay k levels this is a lot learn as many skills as you can video editing make cover art producing anything that will literally help you save more money and time it increases reliability and the networking you can do and be involved in in other niches from these things will go a long way more people will be interested in your brand and you will become somewhat self-efficient until the resources are handed to you consistency will skyrocket your control when things get done I'ma yay this I'ma yay this I'ma yay this is great to get as many skills as you can not just for being able to do them and be all hey I do everything I talk to bottom you know what I mean yeah I'm a what's the word in music we use not a is it a one percenter no it's a hundred percenter I believe yeah obviously because I could do this I could mix like a master I could do the vocals late check whatever all that not just to have that bragging right right it's more so as you grow you'll be able to understand how those things work together even better right because skills actually inform creative process as well yeah right I can think about this one little response in a marketing campaign because I ran a marketing campaign I could think about oh man what about if when they got their welcome email after they bought this course right or after they bought their merch the first email is going to say this and then the the email that comes two days later is going to say that right just because I've done that before and I know that people are used to getting fulfillment emails when they get their merch and people like are also used to seeing follow-up emails or maybe they aren't used to seeing it in merch but I've done that in courses right and I can pair that together and I'm only going to think about that because I've done it before yeah all right I was like oh shoot man yeah we this thing right here this picture will be great for that campaign like you so when you have skills it's going to help you see things way differently while some people are seeing shit in 2d you're seeing that shit in 3d 5d 6d 70 so I love that in terms of having a lot of skills but there does get this point where you need to focus on where your strengths are yeah all right and not try to learn everything before you have somebody on your team or hire somebody some people think they need to learn everything before they hire people and that inhibits your growth yeah like sometimes you need to hire somebody and damn they learn from them yeah right and then use that experience and then there's there's methods so that's a whole other conversation of being able to learn without getting screwed over by that person let's say you might say oh have I hired this person and I've never done it before how do I know if they're screwing me over or how do I know what the quality of their work is and how long it really takes all these things there's ways you can do that which is a deeper conversation but then sometimes you might start with a consultant right or multiple people to give you different perspectives on that same thing all right there's a way but like the people who move fast they learn from other people because you can only learn for so much from yourself by yourself yeah you just can't yeah I agree with all that and end up other part is interesting to me too as he talks about how it becomes a really valuable networking tool right so one thing I don't think artists think about enough is that other artists are very competitive and when you introduce yourself to another artist as a fellow artist it's not always the most well-received right you become they become closed off to each other they become hostile artists y'all are very doggy dog type of people but that same artist you know saying that that shut you off because he learned you are artists if you had told him like hey I do graphics on I do mixing I do content creation or something that person could have been a little bit warmer towards you maybe open up and maybe would have got you in room with some a room with someone that you know you weren't getting in trying to leave with yourself as an artist you know so I do think that part of that is like very underrated in terms of like you're essentially giving yourself different weapons to to blow the door down with you know if the first one don't work and I'm a artist that shouldn't work y'all bro I also do mixing oh that's over the door bet are you cool with that now I'm in the room to eventually sway you to give me a chance on that initial thing I told you about yeah I've definitely seen that type of thing happen before yes I've been this that's very underrated yeah let's speed through some of these let's say wax jack says put as much effort in your music as your marketing networking relationships and content be successful artists being a successful artist isn't just making good music amazing music doesn't get you far and if no one's listening well all right so I didn't agree at first but in the last point brought on because he said put as much effort in your music as your marketing as everything else which I do agree I think he's flipping it that's what's really trying to say I put as much into everything else as you're doing to your music that's really what he's trying to say yeah I'll say yeah to that yeah I agree with all right make a song a day at least there's gonna be improvement regardless nah I don't know man I might go back to like the content thing from mr beast maybe I say okay it's practice versus intentional practice and that's what people get wrong people can practice poorly and not get the results that they should right so you can't just say a song a day you got to do it with focus and maybe a song a day for some people they're just throwing trash and thoughtlessly maybe it's a waste of time maybe they need to do a song every two days now I do think frequency I mean undeniably it's not even by what I think frequency undeniably is one of the like most impactful vehicles generally speaking to improve however intentional practice right not oh I'm gonna just shoot the ball 300 times I'm gonna pay attention to where my elbow placement is what my my foot placement is all right so musically what is my verse sound like right how do I what is my feedback loop even look like so I can know if I got better at that right so what are you paying attention to but yeah I do agree with the frequency idea but you have to have some measure of what you're trying to improve and I could just mean I'm just trying to do better hooks right now and I think about everything else because that's one of the best ways to improve like actually focus in on something you can't like just make a whole song unless you're trying to practice on making songs there's people like freestyle all right but they're not good at creating songs yeah all right so yeah so there's there's different things to focus on now try not to act like Cardi yeah I would go yeah yeah yeah that one yeah all right yeah bro because the Cardi Cardi clone syndrome is is is killing us not even like I don't even mean stylistically like music wise I mean everybody being like oh Playbook Cardi don't do nothing and he lit let me be like Cardi and also do nothing maybe I'll get lit we gotta we gotta stop that yeah Playbook Cardi didn't start that before whatever reason he's the go-to example of today I will say he's a great example of it but obviously there's a lot of people that have clones and that clone might be a phase don't let it be any more than that phase yeah all right Jake Gordon 19 says no the difference between hate and criticism and just someone criticizing something doesn't mean they're right also true but you should always consider what people have to say I'm gonna give it a 97% yeah I don't always consider what some people have to say everything else I'm going with heavy but should I always consider what people have to say I don't know consider it maybe not will I hear it out yeah sure yeah there's probably a nuance in there yeah we're probably I was on the so on the same page or everything else we're probably on that same page for the most part but yeah I'm getting it consider it sounds like more respected some people deserve one princess don't force the sound that doesn't work and this is a left field take but don't try to create a new wave it'll naturally happen if you follow your heart oh shit it's like it's a great hot take lies I mean follow your heart part the follow your part of all your heart parts were made invalid but everything for that part was pretty valid yeah no I don't I think creating a new wave naturally happening is um I don't I think that's even necessarily a lie what yeah like it doesn't naturally happen if for everybody is given as general advice right I think the more important thing is people should stop trying to create new waves that first part don't what does he say don't force the sound or don't work yeah don't force the sound or don't work but also don't try to create a new wave period yeah that focus on you and just doing you and building out whatever you want to build but like focusing on the wave that's beyond yourself there's other factors and you could be a very unique artist and have nobody else really follow up yeah in your way but you still won why does it matter if it's a whole wave or not you know what I'm saying yeah so I think sometimes artists think about things that that are beyond the success of themselves before they get successful themselves yeah but that's why I have to agree with the it'll naturally happen part because like you like you said like the the factor that make a wave in my head is all right there's a core sound there are multiple people doing that core sound okay and then that core sound is very popular within the particular niche right so like you said out the gate your whole wave moment could be killed off by the fact that you don't want to do anything just like that no way you just a unique artist and whatever aspect this is right um could have a bunch of people doing the sound and it doesn't get popular in the space you know what I'm saying right then that it's not still not a still not a wave right you could be successful and not be a wave yeah 100 yeah so why does that matter no I don't know I don't think it does I never get the thing that confused me about the wave part is that most artists hate when they're being copied or feel like they're being copied but like I said that's a lie an important part of artists say they hate when they're being copied but they want to be copied because that's how they get validated a lot of times I mean yeah I agree but you know they ain't what they stand out a lot I'm just taking the comments and the DMs and considerations but it's like a big part of the wave thing is though people that arguably sound all sound the same because they're all making this type of thing yeah and most of them hate that I think even artists that get attributed to particular ways that they usually don't really like that right you would hear them say oh you know I mean people keep comparing me to the woofie woofie but I think I'm different because whatever I know you're not yeah yeah yeah that's because a lot of times they're trying to escape yeah the waves trying to get out the box right and get out that box and you that yeah that wave is putting me in the space that I don't necessarily want to be in so that's a whole another alternative perspective of this it's like you probably don't even want to be in that wave or some wave in general so I I don't know you that's that's tough because waves are created by fan perception here's a group of people I think are the same for whatever reason we like all of you y'all appears in our eyes you know I'm saying cool this is this is the sound that we fucking we're like fans create a wave you know what I'm saying that's why I have to it has to naturally happen yeah yeah all right the real Ron NYC says just keep going even if at first it feels like nobody is liking your stuff there's eight billion people on this planet there's going to be somebody that enjoys your music as much as you do nay yes I want to say yeah like my heart my heart is leaning towards yay because of the eight billion people part because I do think that bro I do think like I don't want to name ours but where's Mars I hear that slide it proves that you know what I'm saying somebody gonna like it um but I don't believe that everyone should keep going sometimes there are some artists that sometimes I hear about not where you should you should quit see different look I'm just saying the baseline it's not necessarily gonna mean somebody's gonna like as much as you do especially I might like it though yeah they might like it we didn't say that yeah but I don't know I feel like if I go out there and make a track today and play for eight billion people I don't know but you might get at least a thousand fans I think I think even the worst of most terrible of music with enough exposure you get at least all the fans all right let's really back and be real why does that shit matter we say shit like this but bruh it's eight billion people but you're not gonna get all eight billion people to see your shit yeah that's true like some of these eight billion people don't even have access to the internet yeah some false I didn't get a niche some don't even speak your language yeah some don't like your type of music right so we're not talking about eight billion people like we should stop throwing out these big ass numbers as loose inspiration it's just not a thing man like I get it right and you can use it to drive you but at some point we gotta make sure that we pay attention to the product and I think a lot of times we ignore the product more than we should yeah hundreds and bro like yeah I remember I once had this uh this ad campaign like really early on as a marketer and I just remember the ad hit a million people and we maybe got like 100 converges out of it and that's your blue arm I was a damn but a million people looked at this shit 999,000 of them were like no that's what I'm saying so do you have to ask yourself is it fucking worth it yeah I agree that's what I said that's why I said I disagree with the word of always just keep going now from a motivational standpoint all of you listening yes everybody keep going follow your dreams do you now have I heard something before from someone and I thought yo you should stop yes 100 as long as you focus on improving I don't have any problems keep going all right maybe you aren't in a place where your music is that good it's like when Roddy Rich made that uh post about people not fucking with his music like five years ago or whatever and he was kind of like doing it like a kind of stunt like yeah if he wouldn't believe me back then or whatever didn't like my stuff I'm like hey play me the music though what did it sound like exactly did that music was that on the same quality level as the box yeah that's why I said I might agree with him yeah like it might not have been good but you improve to your better so that's completely different yeah so maybe where you are today musically product wise whatever just isn't worth the time but because again you gotta ask yourself is it worth if I got a product that I'm trying to sell is it worth me having to run through 500 million people just to finally find some buyers do I have the time yeah it's a lot of people that's a lot of people it's probably a lot of money just to finally find that so I think again that's you know it's a grain of salt you know we gotta pay more attention to strategy product improvement those things that are a lot more in awkward control than trying to help just trying to get everybody to see as much as possible and this culture is so big on like just give you just give you so how many times we've seen people give views and that ain't changed anything sure don't mean nothing don't mean nothing bro so now that's that's where I'm at with it um and that is it that is it so hopefully y'all like that said me that was an interesting segment we hadn't done anything like that before but I do think that they did share some interesting advice you know what I mean there were some good ones in there there were some jams but if anything I feel like that's the mentality we should look at a lot of this advice uh with in general like we should actually scrutinize it we just take this inspiration and just be like oh my gosh this is good it's good stuff yeah I do that all the time bro I'll see some advice and we're like I don't need to listen to this shit like just scroll or get out my I've I've I've seen advice that made me get off on Instagram and it's been positive advice too telling me that I can do it I'm like get the shit out of here I don't feel like being motivated I don't feel like being motivated just I don't know man it's like you gotta uh you gotta like bring it back down and be realistic and how you map it not make your goals smaller necessarily it's I have to who am I getting this from is there a real strategy are they just regurgitating some general shit you know I mean yeah like there's so many factors when I when I see advice yeah perspective where are you giving me this information from in time depending on your life yeah it's like y'all you're just saying this stuff because it gives likes to people who are in a certain mental space and I get it do what you gotta do I don't believe in motivation content you know I want to believe I do believe in motivating people you know what I mean but motivate about these facts that that motivates you you hey well we do have a quote from someone who's done this thing as well to share appreciate josh for sliding this over to us for real said if you're a singer don't be afraid to have a coach even the best singers that you know and love have trainers and coaches like all muscles your larynx and esophagus have to be trained a coach can be there to push you farther than you would on your own I grew up now that's some more fucking advice bro that's some good all right yeah see yeah and uh in a very weird specific context like voice training but I feel like it applies to so many other things that's what made it a good advice yeah all she was specific yeah that's true you know what I mean and when you're about another motivation it was just hey specific and this is gonna get you to where you go right it's a tool that you can use it's a mindset and process that you can use that's why you wanted to go to for real meh I'm a vocal coach performance coach yeah um only camera coach marketing consultant yeah everything else man yeah gotta have yourself yeah gotta have your advisors gotta have your your justice league around you you know self-improvement and I'm being on investing early especially when you invest in yourself like I was gonna wait until I got a certain amount of money before I got a trainer but I got a trainer then got a certain amount of money that's true hmm I'm not saying that was for everybody I don't know what I mean I applauded everybody's situation I don't think about that you know what I mean hold up I'm just saying that's what I did and there are situations so let me draw a line with this number one a good example is that conversation we had about JZ like would you have the meeting or do 500k yeah we had the conversation but one thing I should have said during that conversation was the opportunities that come from meeting somebody like that don't necessarily happen and they're not available to someone who don't who doesn't already have something to take advantage of yeah right if I don't have a business or something that I can move forward then I don't know I might just need to take 100k I mean 500k should I probably take 100k because if I'm just like oh yeah I'm gonna talk to him and have a good time and literally if he has oh if he says oh man I'm looking for a house but I'm not a real estate agent and he says man I need a chef you know because I'm trying to get back in shape and I'm not a chef right or I'm trying looking for investment opportunities like if I have zero that can like be poured into then I probably wouldn't even get the benefits from being around somebody like that yeah right so and that and that doesn't just go for a JZ by the way that goes for anybody there's people in your life right just around you once you start to do something right they'll start to bring you opportunities because now they know that oh yeah this is what Sean does right I got homies you got homies that are not in music who will send you people who are doing music because they know that you do music right and that you're helping music markers but if they didn't know that you would have no idea of a lot of these random second third fourth party people that you don't that they know yeah right so you know you have to have something that's that can be taken advantage of and exploited by teaching like being involved with somebody like that so for me me getting a trainer right something that helps you know like a physical trainer by the way in this particular situation like health clarity you know I mean sluggishness my mind was in it was in a better space my body was in a better space my energy is in a better space to then take advantage of the vehicles that I've already created you know what I mean yeah but I could just be a in shape do it on a block doing nothing you know I mean that also comes with you know what it comes with it does come with it what it comes you know there would have been nothing for me to grow or money related necessarily that could have happened but again though the idea is just investing yourself investing yourself it's hard not to see some level of return when you invest in improving yourself whether it's a skill especially skills yeah especially skills like period all right cool now let's move on to a little thought process on how did rick bros three billion dollars let's talk about it you know what I mean let's rick cross go to three billion now this is one of my rules I don't share this with many I leave no money on the table what does that mean what that means is on a friday night I may charge you 150k to come to your venue and perform oh yeah I know where this is going right on tuesday I may take 75 from you instead of us just sitting around doing nothing let's go get some money because you know what over here at rosé enterprises is we will not let that two dollars walk in and leave how much money have you allowed to walk out of your establishment because of another small amount of money that you could have easily had them tell hey I need that next week we got to find a way to keep the money once I got my first million I realized it's the same distance to 10 million from 100k that it was 100k to a million 1 million and 10 it's the same distance I just gotta go get it hey he's made bank man it's a lot of wing stops there's a lot of wing stops it's a lot of wing styles I think that that mentality though for real is something that can be applied to many things right whether it's like I'm gonna improve if it's only one percent we talked a lot about improvement I'm gonna take the money that's on the table leave no money on the table figure out how to get it maybe it's not just a no right now maybe it's a hey all right can we do this next week because I still want the money but maybe there's a different opportunity at hand that I can't get rid of it like I can't say oh this is 150k I'll take that 75k on a different day when I have less to lose for it in terms of opportunities in comparison so I get that and it's funny he's talking to somebody who's the same fucking way yeah bro like this is the hot man right there Grant Cardone bro we know that now he's over billions of in real estate right I've seen this man like talk about his $50 million deals and I just left that and then sell $30,000 courses and tickets and I seen this man go hard selling like a $4.99 booklet in the mix of this stuff I'm talking about going hard like Dave right he's just on it and still be doing it himself where somebody at his level might just let somebody else run it right especially for certain sales and things like that so I think that mentality is the most important thing to really take and I know some people want to live different levels of lives right so maybe you don't want to be all in in that type of way cool all right maybe you want to be enough to get to 10 million financially and look at it that way or you want to be 10 mil and monthly listeners musically or one meal monthly listeners right the levels vary but we know at the highest levels it's the extreme of that type of mentality yeah yeah I mean I like the overall mentality being like eight minutes you get all the money you know because I do think um the the big bags will make you overlook the little bags and feel like the little bags are important right so ours has a 100k deal a 50k deal a 10k deal and a 1k deal on a table they could however they could take all of it like I know a lot they would be like I'm just taking the 100k maybe the 50k I don't even need to touch the 10k and 1k it's just a little money compared to 10 and 50 which is true right but in that scenario you only got 150k well in the first scenario you would have what 161k where they actually live about that up you know what I'm saying like once it hits a couple of times so you know it's like two dollars is two dollars but two dollars a million times over two million dollars right and so I do think that um like I said like the the small opportunities and I'm not saying anyone like on the value this stuff you know like you said it's a time thing like do I have the time to take on this risk right now compared to the other opportunities I have coming in was I not going to be doing anything to the end way shit yeah it's only a thousand dollars but I ain't haven't planned to play the game all day you know I'm saying chill with my homies like I could go pick up this little bag right so I think it's important to like weigh the you know well I guess not necessarily like look at the the money is only um I guess point of value or like thing to determine the value but also like the money in relation to the time and what you had to do they that day anyway yeah because I'm we've taken shit like that like I'm happy to reach out to me but you want to do this panel you know what I'm saying what's your speaking feed telling the feed you know what I'm saying but oh we can do this I'm like you know man I'm gonna be down the street anyway I'm saying like you know I was going that way later today anyway why not you know let me swing by pick up an extra two bands or something and then go home you know so yeah I resonate with that I get that I think the thing that gets missed too in a lot of these situations is the next level of it which is investing right so if you've gotten yourself in a position where you can invest in that doesn't mean I put it in stock or real estate or something that I'm not active in like it might just be something that you're active in like your education whatever that is but when you have a place to put money to work every dollar matters even more right because I'm multiplying these dollars so yeah I took that 11k but I had somewhere to put that 11k that was going to turn into 50k yes right yes and I think when you look at a lot of these people they have somewhere to constantly put it something or they know that they're going to find somewhere to put it which is why they're cool with taking that sum so it's not just even like oh so I could have that amount of money more they know that hey I'm going to be able to put this I know how to flip it and I know that stuff happens too so I might lose some money on some like whatever random event type stuff but then I had this extra padding right so when you have that mentality it's not just about the money itself there's other variables beyond that specific dollar amount that could either make it more or could at least create a safety net of some source yeah you know yeah so I definitely feel like that that was one of those things that again could feel like fluffy you just turn it off but when you kind of when you look at the levels and then when you watch Rick Ross and his career it makes me break it down and think of it a little bit deeper so just a couple of notes on Rick Ross's career look net worth we know can be wrong but right now the internet says his net worth is 45 million what's more important it says from December 1995 to June 1997 that's two years Rick Ross worked as a correctional officer earning $1,000 a month that's a lot I feel like 95 97 that's probably like this is decent this is mine right then probably it's not not great but it's decent I love mine to confirm what else five of the times I don't know you know you know that's like a starter job still 2000 but in 2005 right eight years later he went on to sign with Swabhouse records under the pseudonym Teflon de Don Ross later transferred to slip and slide records which at that time had Trick Daddy signed as an artist and eventually changed his stage name to Rick Ross and released platinum album Port of Miami in August 8 2006 so from 1997 to 2006 nine years later he's dropping that debut album that you know took off right Ross then went on to release hustling in 2006 I didn't realize that wasn't on there I'm confused hold up nah this is just the rustling was on Port of Miami so they got some of this messed up went on to release hustling in 2006 a song that reportedly landed him in the middle of a bidding war according to celebrity net worth Ross received an offer from Sean Diddy Combs bad boy entertainment and Irv Gotti's murder ink he ultimately signed a multi-million dollar deal with Jeff Def Jam records which was owned no and it wasn't owned it was ran by Jay-Z at the time all right about to have me out here misquoting people he was president at the time he didn't own it but he was president and then he started his own record label three million three years later called the Mabel music group and in 2014 Ross purchased the largest real estate in Georgia 5.8 million Evander Holyfields old spot all right so 97 he had just left from being a correctional officer making one K a month to what's that 1417 years later buying a 58 million dollar house no 5.8 million dollar house big difference right hey 17 years 50 million being 55.8 but being up like that I like it I like it shoot man so I think this is why you know you see that path and see that journey that story at some point we probably can see that movie on Ross I definitely think so he's he's he's had an interest in the of a life so he deserves one of his and he's a character he's definitely a character so like you know you you get enough and you see that type of story you know going from a spot that I mean going from like a thousand a month to owning a spot to have 109 rooms in it dog it's a hundred and a hundred nine rooms all right so look man inspiration is real but that mentality like I find when you talk to a lot of people who have a certain amount of money or a certain level of success those small things are actually very serious to them like it'll sound like some super fluffy shit to you like in and you doing to yourself and you realize just looking at it that way makes a big difference over time yeah so like definitely don't slip on that don't leave no money on the table advice but leaving no money in the table I also said I saw Rick Ross one time say like he want everything that's his that's his so that ain't mean he's taking somebody else's money you know what I mean like hey there's some money on the table that money ain't mine I haven't heard you know crazy crazy uh uh accusations of Rick Ross like taking somebody else's money like that I'm sure one or two out there yeah it'll be there for sure but generally speaking I think that's important to note so five ways to lazy stellar seller stop short this is a great note that I think relates to this conversation a lot so it goes we're talking about this because it goes along with the idea of leaving money on the table but tell us what y'all think about these in the comments now five ways that lazy sellers stop short one they lose track of someone interested but not yet ready to buy as an artist how many times do we have people who see something from us and they're interested but they're not ready to become a fan because they haven't seen enough of us yet all right dang like what was the name of that artist but I never see him again so I can't find that artist so I just forget about him yeah and I be wanting to like find the page find the song and I can't remember because you stopped that visibility stopped as well yeah all right um be slow to follow up when someone hands you a referral I don't know how that one relates to artists directly but when it comes to sales hey yeah when someone sends you oh and actually I do now see it there's times when I've linked artists with somebody or told them to reach out on behalf and they don't follow up why they think oh just because I don't hear from somebody that that person's like being funny or something like that it's like people are busy do not be surprised at how busy people are shit happens shit does happen sometimes they legit missed it don't be afraid to follow up especially when there's a referral at hand yeah especially you can even then follow up with the person who did the referral and be like hey man I haven't heard back from such and such can you check in or they'll try to make might say yeah just hit them up again man don't don't worry about it you know um keep no connection with an annual subscriber until it's a renewal um how do we keep no connection with a annual subscriber until there's no renewal how does that relate to artistry I don't know sometimes I think I see what they're saying actually you don't pop up until it's time to get the money okay okay I thought I was saying like I thought that was the advice like to do that no no no this is like being a lazy seller yeah so hey no no yeah man like don't act like you know me now yeah so that's the whole idea but like every single video shouldn't be promo every single video shouldn't be like merch every time they see you it can't just be about money you got to keep some connection behind all right and also don't make assumptions and create a story in your mind who is huge again that goes back to even little stuff like this person has a guy back to me all right man they must not fuck with me or they all these stories that we're building up and it might not even be so be that yeah all right and there's other categories but yeah assumptions and building those stories in your mind is damaging we've all made that mistake before yeah it's like one or it's like oh I can't do that my fans will never go for that so you don't even know and I'm very um like critical of when I do that like I'll notice oh man come on you you're building a story you don't even know what's happened you have no reason to even say that this is true it could be one of the possibilities but you don't know for real for real so at least stop carrying your energy as you know that this is the answer you know I mean wait and see you know you might be right but you could be wrong um and then the last one continue to work with people who are not the most influential and by in the buying decision now this is interesting so they say lazy sellers continue to work with people who are not the most influential people and making the buying decision I don't know that that might be one I I can't see I feel like that's more naive than lazy like because I I can the only instance I can think of well like I've been there before and then that was like I genuinely didn't know like you think this person is the person with the buying power you know you you buddy up you're doing the work and then you let learn like it's like the motherfucker you never met that really has the control you know there's naivety to that but at the same time maybe a laziness because you don't want to approach right the person who actually has a lot of your comfort with yeah you just trying to stand your comfort zone with it right I think I've I've seen that in music in a lot of different ways so yeah I can I can see that right um even that even if that's your fan base or the people that you allow to I don't know market your music I remember being in a space on the ground in Lansing at a period of time and it clicked to me I was like these artists don't really care if they're that successful or not and I see other artists on the other side of the city or door and moving different then they actually don't come to any of these events but I see their career moving forward and I'm like I don't know I think I'm with the wrong people for real so I think that right there is probably what they're saying yeah like you're you're around the wrong bunch or dealing with the wrong bunch and it takes awareness but then also legitimate action to get out of that space because there are a lot of people who are happy with the circle jerk they're happy with the hey we all know each other so we can create this this um small community that we are all popular in versus you know taking that step in that leap going to the other side of town to go to the other side of town yeah you know what I mean so yeah that I think that's actually a good no it gave me something to think about which goes back to our conversation at the beginning of looking at other industries yeah right it makes you think right we just looked at five different things that people relate to sales and then I said how can we relate that to music and it actually gave me a couple you know little epiphanies so it's a great practice it really is it really is um now last but not least let's talk about the fact that Lido got these panties you know and these panties are going for numbers Lido if y'all don't know right has some cheated print panties and they are on auction at the moment in real life on ebay it started at 99 cents but we gotta see what it said now what where is it at now we looked everywhere it's gone oh is it gone it's gone she's selling hold up man it might be official so check this out Cory told me about this probably about 30 minutes ago now no no it was before the podcast let's just say it was an hour ago right it was at $60,000 we checked back like 15 minutes later and I was at $90,000 but let me show him his link all right on ebay so it's gone it's going man but let me let me just say something important about this that I think is it's dope right the lesson from the panties now Lido could have sold anything like she could have came up with this entire merch strategy she could have you know fulfillment design all that stuff but this was a novel I did that was going to get attention and she made at least 93 bands that last number that we saw off of that 93 bands bro off of just a pair of panties founds you the comments got got me intel on where it kind of landed up yeah yeah we gotta open that up and see so I think one thing to keep in mind is just the creativity and I know you might not have a fan base at a certain extent so I might be hard to get attention for something like this but when you as you build even within your own community it doesn't mean that you have to be able to get to 90,000 but you do something like this per se right you might see more money from that one item than you would get from a typical campaign within your community so maybe you have to grind and sell a whole bunch of merch and make 2k but then you might come up with some random novel thing that's able to get you 1500 by itself that one item or that set of five items right yeah just paying attention to your audience this works for her it wouldn't work for some people right yeah and just being creative and having fun with it can create opportunities like this because it could have bombed as well but it was at least a story yeah right so people would have been talking about it even if it never sold for for nothing even if it was just a lie you know like it would have stolen had a story have fun because a lot of times when you're having fun that's when the best stories happen things that could be flipped into narratives and you know and then you might find something like find out something wonderful you might look go crazy and and sell for 100k or look you might have made an extra little five dollars and that's a story to tell too yeah man like you said like the the story of trying to put it together is interesting itself you know because what's funny about this to me is that i'm pretty sure she started out trolling you know like she had the idea i definitely think so but she'd be doing not she like this all the time like you know selling her her garments and things but she'd be fucking with her audience um but it makes me think about this one marketing stuff i saw like two years ago uh it's funny this market and billy jean you know you know billy jean is yeah so y'all know about billy jean is like this very interesting guy like goat and that market but he had this campaign where he was running i was remembering this shit he had uploaded a picture of his hands out like this on instagram and he was like today only on sale nothing you would get nothing nothing will come to you you know what i'm saying like you are purchasing nothing and he was selling it for like something crazy but like a hundred dollars or something and but he probably made like fifty dollars no i was over that for a lot of people like oh like you know either he's fucking with us and that really is something interesting or i just want to buy into it i think it's funny i'm willing to bet you there were a lot of people who jumped on that beer not because they really wanted it i had money for it because they just wanted to participate in all the aspect of it you know i'm saying and that drove enough attention around it that eventually gets the attention of someone who's not seriously considered in fact in both cases like i said somebody in that billy jean thing was like i'll take nothing i'm saying he got a hundred dollars in there just like somebody with apparently a hundred k and supposed to income like you know it's a it's a nice monday night you know i'm saying i ain't doing nothing i'm on vacating you know body draws a lot over you know i'm saying we're gonna add this to my museum my hip hop history museum that's what they got it for hip hop history maybe t i got it for the trap museum telling the history right i don't know tip so i don't know they they gonna they gonna flip that story in a different way oh man okay yeah you're right ain't nobody coming ain't nobody coming for that yeah you're right that's true that'd be ugly that bad look hey well look maybe you could buy it for a hundred k from yourself is that for myself no from yourself oh from yourself let's just say if you are offering this buy it for a hundred k for yourself and then tell that story too they don't know because you give it the money to yourself and then at worst where's you're gonna pay you know the like the eight ten percent you know saying platform that's what i said that's the 10 i guess this is a 10 000 on my marketing plan marketing campaign that's a good point that's true because that's it is on everything i think these academics posted everything bro one post somebody bought that shit that's a crazy i really hope your idea is true i don't want to believe that somebody in the world did this like i have too much faith in humanity i wouldn't want to believe that either but we i think you got too much faith yeah i think you got too much faith we know somebody will buy that bitch bro we know that stuff about that stuff there's something you somebody will buy it and feel like that mean they can get a date with a lot of if i was about i'm gonna be trying to flip it how so i mean i was expecting to put on the spot but um i would try to sell it to another bidder you know i'm saying 200k plus or or exhibit it somewhere and sell admissions to exhibit or frame it throw in the background of a youtube video somebody was going by damn who's god i like the the draws from that oh man let me watch this and see what's going on bro something wrong putting it somewhere i like that one treat that shit like a like a 100k subscriber plan but hanging up in the background a video that i do hey now we know about it oh man all right man we out of here today man i'm bray man shy i'm kovir and we out peace