 pursuant to chapter 20 of the Acts of 2021 and extended again by chapter two of the Acts of 2023. This meeting will be conducted by remote means. Members of the public who wish to access the meeting may do so in the following manner by emailing stevemccarthyatmccarthysatammerstma.gov. That's M-C-C-A-R-T-H-Y-S at ammerstma.gov. No in-person attendance of members of the public will be permitted, but every effort will be made to ensure that the public can adequately access proceedings in real-time by a technological means. In the event that we are unable to do so for reasons of economic hardship and despite best efforts, we will post on the Ammerst website an audio or video recording transcript or other comprehensive record of proceedings as soon as possible after the meeting. And with that done, we'll call the meeting to order at 5.01 PM and take a roll call of attendance. Gaston. Here. Hallie. Here. Dunn. Here. Dylan. Here. And I'm here. So we are everyone's here today. Great. The next thing on the agenda is public comment. And for anyone who is participating, this is just general public comment unrelated to anything on the agenda. So if you have general public comment, hit the little raise hand button at the bottom of your screen. No general public comment. Okay. So let's move on to licenses. And first, we have our special short term, look at licenses, SST dash 23 dash 19 through 26, Bill Pete, top of the campus. How are you guys doing? Oh, and it's Mr. Bill Trippett. Thank you. Welcome. How are you? Okay. So we got Steve, you sent around one, one license as an example and then an altered plan. Is that correct? Yes. So this is for, it looks like a summer series of events. They're all identical besides the dates. So I just sent you along one in my review. I thought the site plan was a bit, just needed a bit more detail on the location, the outdoor area and some of the separation, everything. So I asked them to provide a more detailed site plan and that's what came in. So. Okay. Great. Thank you. Do you have time to review the documents and the site plan? Are there any questions or comments? I could just let you know, this is the Worcester cafe area outside of Worcester Dining Commons. They did it last year on a Friday afternoon from like June to August. Moderately successful, I guess. So they want to try doing it on a Thursday and Friday this year. Okay. So it'll be the same thing. Just a little area for people to sit down, come in. A server will come up and ask them if they want a drink. They'll go inside the server's bar and bring out a cocktail for the whole area. It will be stitched and off or blockaded off with only an entrance and an exit. And the manager will be on site to the entire serving process. So. Okay. Sounds great. Okay. Any questions? Just a quick question. What sort of food do you have available? I'm assuming since it's the cafe that, and you're tied into Dining Commons that you've got some access to food, what were you expecting to potentially serve to folks? There's salads and wraps available and also the Baby Burke food truck. We'll make an appearance. I'm on the pull up to the sidewalk area. That's where people can go tonight. They'll wish and grab something from the food truck as well. Okay, great. Thank you. Yep. Thanks. Any other questions about these applications? If not, is there a motion to approve special short-term liquor licenses, SST-23-19 through 26? So moved. Thank you, Doug. Is there a second? Second. Thanks Dylan. Any further discussion? If not, we'll take a vote. Gaston. Aye. Hallie. Aye. Doug. Aye. Dylan. Aye. And I vote aye. That is five to zero. The licenses are approved. Thank you so much for coming in and I hope it's successful. Thank you guys. I appreciate it. It was all worth it. You too. Bye. Okay. Was Doug who moved and Dylan who seconded or the other way around? Doug moved and Dylan seconded. Thank you. Thanks, Steve. All right, next up, lunch cart food truck alteration of ours. So I guess we can kind of do this in any order you want. So we had to said that we were going to have our follow, you know, we had approved those late night hours for the food trucks until the end of May and we'd follow up the first meeting in June. So I asked the food truck owners if they could stop by. I was able to hear back from Mr. Cruz and Ms. O'Connor from Rooster's Roman Cantina. And they have attended. So I added these alterations of ours here just in case the board elects to continue those late night hours and the trucks would like to do so. But I didn't really receive any, receive a special, you know, particular request. So maybe if you'd like, we could start with the discussion and talk about how it's gone and determine whether the board would like to do so. Yeah, let's do that. So are they're both here? I'm here. You're here. Oh, Amanda, you're here. Okay, great. So are you together this time, Amanda, in person or? No, I'm actually surprised. He's on the truck right now. So he was supposed to hop on, but. So he is in the audience, but I'm pressing the button to promote to panelists. The person would have to click accept. So at the very least I can, oh, looks like he just did it. Oh, there he is. He might not know how to unmute. I can press a button to ask, so it should pop up and he can just click yes. Is he accept? Oh, there we go. Okay, is that, look. Omar, are you able to hear us? Omar. Yes. Okay, great. Great, welcome. Okay, so how are things, how are the later hours gone over on your location? We're really interested to know. They're going very, very good. Now, like everybody's just waiting for me. The sometime I come around 8.30, night o'clock, depends, see we don't have another event, but I'm always there, you know, those days. And the college kids are very, very happy days, you know? So the spot we have is very convenient. They come in there, they order, they sit down and they are very happy to see me there. Okay, fantastic. Well, that sounds good. Have there been any issues or complaints that you know of? I don't have any, well, no complaints. I mean, like I asked her, they, I'm done. I just walk around the park, you know, they are sometimes a little drunk and stuff like that. And they left the stuff and over there, but they would buy, go and pick it up. I got the tries there and they, I don't hear any complaints from nobody complains. Not to me, not that I know. Great, thank you. I'm just gonna jump in real quick, sorry. I have gotten some messages from parents that have requested us to have their graduation for the food truck way out in the Boston area and that kind of stuff because the kids are so happy. We started off with about 50 kids coming per night and now it's gotta be up to almost 200 kids. Yeah, that he's there. So they stand in line, they wait, they're happy, they're eating, they're buying stuff, they're for the most part, they're polite and they're kind and it's been passed around on their forum pages and their pages to each other. And yeah, they're really just enjoying it. We have the Venmo payment for them. So they love that. They send messages on Venmo all the time about how much they love the Rooster and how they're so happy that he's there. And yeah, I mean, it's really taking off and they're really enjoying it and we enjoy serving them too, so. Oh, fantastic. Which nights have you guys been there? Thursday, Fridays and Saturday nights. Until 2 a.m. every night? Yeah, I think he closes, like stops serving at two but he doesn't get out of there until about 2.45 after he shuts down with the oil, you gotta let it cool down and all that, so. Okay. Wonderful. Any questions? Gaston, you're muted. Doug, go ahead. Doug, go ahead. I was just gonna ask a couple of questions of Steve to see if you've not heard anything from any neighbors about complaints of noise or anything like that. You haven't heard anything from the police or anyone else regarding any issues around service. No, I have an inspection services as received no complaints. I will be meeting with the interim police chief tomorrow morning to go over this issue, among others and potentially praise street options, but I've heard nothing from inspection services and I don't believe anything from the police. They probably would have given us a haul or if that was the case, so. No, it's good news. That's fantastic. Right. Yes, Gaston. Yes, you're muted. You're muted. Thank you so much. It's great to hear you're serving a need. It's an important need actually and I think one of the concerns that we had last time was thinking about what's the ideal location for the trucks, especially thinking about, particularly drunk college students crossing streets and so on. And I wonder if you can give us some comments about the location and if you have thought about variations on the location that you think might be better for any reason. The location where I'm at right now is great because all the college kids, they cross the road and they come and they sit down and they enjoy it because they're closer to the bar that will leave strides all over over there. So when they come to me, they eat in the grass, they stay there. So maybe shove it up a little bit. They leave the stuff in there. I just pick the trash here and put it right in the trash. I think the space we are, I think this is one of the nicest space we can get right in there, like the parking always, you know, like right in the coming. Yeah, one of the things that we noticed is that when, you know, obviously, late night, the kids, they come out, it seems like the spoke lets people out in groups, you know, like 10 in, 10 out, 10 in, 10 out. So when those kids are standing in line and they're waiting and whatever, they are taking advantage of it being an open grassy space and sitting down and picnicking instead of, you know, piling up on the sidewalks, you know, and even if they get a little bit more rowdy, I feel it's safer for them to be a little rowdy on the grass than it is on the sidewalk, pushing each other, you know, closer to the traffic and whatever. I feel that this is a very good spot and a very safe spot for them. I mean, you know, the hours are late. There's not a whole bunch of traffic that's happening, you know, at 10.30 at night, you know, down those streets. I mean, I just feel like they're enjoying the picnic part of it also. Yeah. Okay, that's very helpful. And I guess if I could follow up, I'm wondering from your point of view, if there were different kinds of food trucks that were trying to serve the same population, how would you imagine that that could work well for all of the vendors? Like the spot or like just inviting more people in and making kind of like a... Yeah, I mean, okay, can you imagine having other food trucks in the area and would you have any feedback to us about how we should think about the locations where the trucks set up in that area? Omar, you parked the truck the most over there. What do you, how do you feel about that? Well, how might feel having all give you my saw. So like that area right there at night time or like by the time we go there, it's quiet. This is kind of, you know, I mean, because when all the college kids are walking around and they are all over, I mean, I don't know. Like for me, it was great, that area. I don't know about the, you know... Do you think Omar, that putting other trucks in that area would be good? Depends how big it is. I don't know. How is parking space availability been? Like the parking, like for me, it's kind of nice because then my truck is not that big, is that I can fit in one of the regular parking space. Yeah, we're only about 20, sorry, Omar. We're only about 20 feet long. So it's not, we don't have to, you know, if you were talking about a truck with a trailer, you're now talking about over 30 feet of traffic space to get a trailer in there that's pulled by a truck. We are kind of lucky in that way that we are about 20, I think it's 22 feet from end to end of our trucks. So we fit in really well there. We've had, I think only one time where we weren't able to get up a parking spot for a while and he had to park in like the no parking zone, that type of thing. But he didn't run into any resistance with the police during that matter either. So I think by then they had already seen that he's been there a couple of times and realized probably that there was, you know, not a place for him to park at the time. So I think that if you were, you're going to be bringing anybody else in that you would need to either, you know, make those spaces only available for that type of like vendor, vendor spaces versus, you know, regular parking spaces. Cause if you have a trailer with a truck coming in there, it just, you know, I don't know how you would be able to even get that in there. Okay, all right. Good, thank you. Any other questions I guess about the past experience before we move on to, I mean, would you like to extend the hours, keep these extended hours for the summer or I guess a lot of the students are gone. So not most of them. Do you want to take that Omar or do you want me to? What do you think? No, I mean, if you guys don't mind, I mean, I was trying to see how goes one, at least one, one night a week or two nights a week to see how it goes. It's not, I mean, they coming back, you know what I mean? Cause I don't want to be there until like, until like two, three in the morning, you know, having anybody or any business. Right, right, right. So we were going to try to get down there maybe this Saturday night and see, you know, what was going on, you know, we've been in contact with, you know, the management over at the spoke, you know, to see how much that they slow down for the summer months, you know, to see if they felt that there was a need. So we figured probably during the weekend would be, you know, the best chance to go down there and see what's going on. But, you know, if it's, if it's not worth it for anybody to go down there, then we would definitely, but we're looking forward to picking back up when school starts again, so. Okay, all right, all right. So what should we do? If you don't like me to get him in touch with you, I'd be happy to do so, the owner. Oh, okay. Okay. Would you like me to give him your number and ask him to give you a call? Yeah, or he can just, yeah, if you want to give him Omar's number, I'll make sure that you have his, I think you have Omar's cell phone number because he's the one who starts, excuse me, starts going down there the most, so. All right. Yes. Excuse me. Yeah, it may be one of these days or maybe tomorrow go on, because the manager comes almost every night and they're getting like a hundred, $150 or, and I think he buys for everybody. Yeah, he buys for his whole staff. I know the manager very well, but since we were very busy, I don't have no time to like talk to him. So, but probably today or tomorrow, I will take a ride over there and probably go and talk to him and see what he says, you know. Okay, sounds good. Great, sounds like a plan. So Steve, this expired, these hours expired, are they expired yesterday? Is that right? It was end of May? Yeah, and I just had one more question for the two of them, if you don't mind. How was the trash bin? I think Omar, when I spoke to you, you mentioned you had to pick some up at the end of the night. Yeah, yeah, the trash, you know, like I bring my own trash and they leave, you know, they're drunk, they don't, you know, like and then end of the night, I go around and I just pick almost all the trash. I mean, and for most of the part that they are very respectful, they put the, you know, the trash, like my trash can and they tell guys, please, and you know, but sometimes one of them, you know, is very drunk and whatever, and yes, lead the staff, you know, why pick all the stuff and everything that I can, you know. Yeah, and we take it home, we have a dumpster at home, so we take our trash home. Okay, great, thank you. So, does anyone else have any questions about this? If not, do we want to vote to extend the hours for Rooster's Roman Cantina or just continue the extended hours? As they were? Yes, Doug? I would just say that I think that, you know, especially if Steve hasn't heard any negative feedback for any of the vendors, I mean, I think we could, we extend the hours, I think, you know, with the summer it'll get quieter, they'll find what days work for them or don't, you know, and it's always their option as to whether to come or not. I think given that we've had so little, there's been no negative feedback. I think it's perfectly fine to extend this for all three of them for the major of the license. All right, great, so. You'd like to make that motion. All right, let's do that. All right, yes, Dylan? I was just gonna say, as I know where we're still talking about the potentially moving food truck location, but that parking lot behind Spoke. Hearing the idea of like, you know, if you can have people have picnic in the park, I don't think that's a bad idea either, but do we want to extend these until September, extend them for the summer, and then give us ourselves that time to have that discussion of kind of what we're thinking about, whether it makes more sense over there, versus keeping them over here. Do we like that idea? We just want to extend them to the remainder of the license and then make changes down the road if that's what makes sense, what other people think about that. Doug? I was just gonna say, I think we, you know, if we extend them, I think there's been no issue with where they currently are, and so I think we extend the license in that location. If we decide that we think there's some other spots that are, you know, reasonable and inappropriate, then we could, you know, when we take up the action of that, we can just, I think we could take it just a general, when we identify the spots, we could then also apply it to all existing and open licenses that have extended hours. So we could kind of do it as a separate separator, but I think these spots are fine for now, I think we can come on to that other question a little bit later and lock it in. Yeah, and we're always willing to come on and work with you guys with whatever you guys need at any time. You know, we're really just happy to be there and happy that it's actually working out so well for both the kids and for us. So it's really out there and awesome. All right, super, great. Okay, is there a motion to, what was the language on that? Keep, maintain the hours. Yeah, maintain extended hours and locations through the remainder of the licensed period. All right, thanks for that motion, Doug. Is there a second? Second. Thank you, Dylan. Any further discussion? If not, we'll take a vote. Gaston? Aye. Hallie? Aye. Doug? Aye. Dylan? Aye. And I vote aye, that is five to zero. The hours are maintained. Great, thank you guys so much. We appreciate you. Thank you, thanks for coming in and glad it's been going really well. Really glad to hear it's been going well and good luck with the summer. Great, thank you so much. Thank you very much. Goodbye. Bye-bye. Bye. Okay, great. Onto discussion topics. So lunchtime. Maybe ask if there's any public comment. Do we have somebody in the audience who asks is there any public comment in this issue? Oh, is there any public comment on this issue? If so, just please raise your hand or if you're on a phone, you can press star nine. Seeing none. No, okay. Great. Great, so onto discussion items, discussion topics. So a lunchtime food strike regulation. Now, this was, we just sort of had that discussion. Is that right? Were we still going to talk about the locations, the prey street parking lot, Steve? Yeah, I did have some updates on that. So I spoke with the town manager. He was supportive of the idea if it's done right and he thought it could be a good addition of downtown, especially with all those new businesses going in there. I will be meeting with interim police chief, Gabe Ting tomorrow morning to go over that among a couple of other things and get his input. I did flip the idea of the town engineer about potentially closing off some or part of the road. And I'm gonna be speaking with him in more depth about that as well as the police chief on prey street that is. And I did speak to the Joneses, the owners of the building that the new spoke will be in as well as that building next to it. And they said they would, and so one idea we had had was maybe parking, allowing trucks to park and kind of the end of those spaces, the street end of those spaces or the windows facing in. And those are interesting spaces because they're 75% town property public way, but 25% on their property, so they control them, but they're still public way that could be licensed by the board. And they said that they would be supportive of that. They were concerned about trash being left around, they have professional offices in that building and they wouldn't want people to come in the morning for business and see trash left around or rebuke or what might have you. But they thought it was a great idea in general and they were supportive of it. And they said they would be definitely inclined to offer the use of their spaces at night if it could be managed in a good way. And I did also, they said that their impression of the price relot is that it is filled most weekend nights pretty to the brim because a lot of the people who live in those apartment buildings is no parking for them so they'll park there. So I'm gonna try to ask the police chief too if you can get me in touch with somebody in the night shift, you might have a good sense of that. Okay, fantastic. Right, any questions for Steve about the ongoing developments? No, Helen. When you come back to us, could we get a comparison like how many food trucks they thought they could fit in front of the Jones work building versus like around Kendrick Park and some of the other places just out of curiosity. Yeah, I mean, I think they didn't really say, we'd be okay with one, but not three, they were kind of asking me how many I imagined would be there. And I mean, I think I'm trying to pull up the map, the GIS map here to measure in front of the one with professional offices in it. It looks like there's a stretch of about 160 feet that's straight and then there's a bend and there's another stretch of about 40 feet. And then in front of the new spoke itself, it's about 80 feet. So it really depends, I mean, like they said, they have a 20 foot food truck. There's some like baby Burke, if you guys have seen that driving around, that's a good deal bigger than that one is. So we had a little cart that'd be different and they moved their car. So it probably depends. And the same thing with Kendrick Park, I mean, I'll ask the police chief if he would have any problem with them parking in those no parking zones. The streets plenty wide there, I think. So that might not be something they have a problem with. I mean, it might be a good idea to maybe avoid the cross streets for parking there. It's to kind of prevent noise from going, echoing down the streets. But I mean, just looking at that first, that first, as you come in heading towards the north, that first coming from where it meets with North Pleasant Street, that first section of parking, it looks like it's about a hundred feet long. The second one, about 80, those are the two areas you always see the student drivers practicing their parallel parking. And then if it kind of goes right up to McClellan Street and the rest of the way up is over 700 feet, it looks like along the upper part of it, up by where Dylan is, so. Okay. It really depends on how we wanna space it and how much interest we get and how big the trucks are and things like that. Is there anything that we can do to accelerate things besides just say where we like where this is going? I mean, I'm trying to just kind of cover the bases with the town staff first, but I mean, the board could certainly, if there's someone client, invite the Joneses to the next meeting. If that's looking like that might be the way to go. I mean, I can see if there would be inclination within the town staff to maybe explore closing summer or all of Prey Street once the fall starts on some of those nights. I'll have to kind of go around to the property owners there and see what their thoughts are with business apps. Access or anything at night, I think most of them are pretty just professional businesses, so they might not care, but I'll put it to the top of my priority list and try to get you a good update for the next hearing. Thank you, Steve. I mean, it seems like if you could keep us kind of chipping away meeting with different interested parties to over the course of the summer, maybe we can clear the way for in the fall. I think we're in pretty good shape to that. Yeah, and I will keep working towards that goal. And I think, yes, inviting the Joneses to a meeting sometime, if not the next one over the summer is a good idea. Yeah, I did let them know about the meeting today. I mean, I just, they weren't able to make it, but they said they would be interested to... They said they were definitely enthusiastic about the project for their own property. They had a few concerns, but if those could be addressed, they said they'd be enthusiastically in favor and they think it'd be great for Prey Street in the area. Fantastic, sounds good. Okay, thank you so much for your work on this, Steven. Really great. Thank you guys, this came from you, so. All right, if there are no other questions about lunch cart or food truck regulations, residential rental property by law, from what I've heard from Mindy Jo Hanneke, she expects to hear from the attorney next Tuesday. So we won't have a draft of anything or any responses from the lawyer until then, until the next meeting. So that's been delayed a little bit. Next up is adult marijuana regulation and we talked about having a series of working meetings over the summer, I think. And Steve, thank you again for getting all of the host community agreements around. I don't know how much we're gonna go into this tonight. I don't know if the winds had time to look them over, but we can certainly start. And I think what we wanted to do was have a meeting, was it a week, every week at a certain time? Is that correct? Yes, Gaston. Well, I think on that week thing, I mean, the idea would be that with brainstorm was just meet at the same time on the odd weeks or whatever. I didn't, all I had the chance to do was convert the PDS to Word so that I could compare the documents. I'll just say the two random ones that I chose, I was surprised that they were really totally different. So that I expected that maybe we'd have roughly the same agreement, but we don't. So we need to, there's some stories here of an evolution maybe or particularities. And so it's gonna take a little more looking into them from my standpoint. Okay, great, Doug. If I could, I think part of that may be, there was ongoing and evolving guidance about what the post-community agreement could or could not do. So I think that's part of that difference that you're seeing. But it's important. So we kind of need to know which ones got signed most recently because they're probably more in compliance with the current allowable sort of feature set that's there. But the way I think of it just to offer a quick opinion is that if we choose to put this within the license, a lot of those sections that are in there, we have something similar probably in what we've already worked up. And yet there are some pieces that are explicit requirements. So it would be, what we're articulating at that point is requirements of the license. And so I think we just, it's building the section of the regulations that articulates the requirements of the license to, which is probably more related to renewal. It's an expectation of performance and action during the very first time, but it is part of the renewal process too. So I think that's kind of what we think about is when are we gonna engage and reconnect with folks on some of the topics in the reporting kind of things that are in those agreements that keep us posted on what's what. Okay. So are we thinking that next Thursday would be, we'll start the standing meetings in the odd weeks at same time, five o'clock? And whoever can show up. So one thing I do want to do is just check with the town clerk about the open meeting law and making sure how subcommittees work exactly isn't something I've done before. I mean, if we have a quorum of the board of license commissioners, then we could certainly have the meeting. But if we're looking to, I know if you don't have a full quorum, you can't really do anything. So if we definitely have three people for next week, I can post it and hold it. But if maybe with subcommittees, I believe it's a bit more flexible. So I just have to double check, but if there'll be three for next week, I can post it. I can be there for next week. I think I can commit to next week, maybe not for a very long meeting, but if we keep it to like a one hour working meeting, I can do that. Okay, I may or may not, I may be able to go for about an hour. So it would be five to six then. Yeah, I might be able to do that, but when do you need to know by Steve? Tuesday. Tuesday? And like, you know, which is, you know, do I have five to six open next Thursday? Yeah, but, you know, certain other things that are going on. I feel like you have an assumption. Yeah, we didn't know, recognize you're acting superintendent now, Doug, you know, it's congratulations and un-congratulations. How about, thank you for your service. Thank you very much. Yes, thank you. The congratulations and condolences kind of situation. So, but you know, yeah, stuff comes up. So that's making me a little less able to, sometimes fully commit, but I, you know, I'd like to be here. I think in fact, it's sort of idea of working me, maybe that's what we work on next week is just deciding how to sort of break apart the problem to solve, you know, like slice up the work. I was gonna say, we should set a goal for what we want to accomplish in that hour. So. Yeah. Well, I can just post it. And if less than three people show up, then we just call it, I mean. That sounds good. Yeah, that sounds good. Okay. So in the meantime, everyone will read their document, read the documents and we'll talk about how to organize things next time if there is a meeting. And one thing I was waiting for was just any questions to the attorney. I mean, I'm sure we'll be going back and forth them a lot over this process, but, you know, I had a couple, you know, from our side, you know, you can be the finance director going over it, but if you guys have any for the opening salvo of questions, maybe we can just try to have those together by the end of the next meeting and send off the opening barrage. Okay. All right, great. We will do that. All right. Anything else on this topic right now? If not, we'll move on to Boston Globe Editorial NIPPS, which I think came from Gaston. Is that right? Yeah. You know, I kind of scan the paper every day or read it every day. And this jumped out, especially because of our newest package store licensee made this part of their pitch. And so I guess, you know, the two questions that came to me are, is it within our jurisdiction to actually impose this kind of restriction in town and would we want to? So that's how, that's what came to me, but I'm curious what you all think after seeing the story. Is it done? Yeah. I mean, there's a bit of a compelling argument in that op-ed piece, you know, you know, Chelsea in particular in their history over five years or so, which, you know, spans the pandemic, but it also spans some years separate from that. Yeah, I think that it's interesting they did this in some places do it as conditional license. So they might make a judgment that it's okay in some places and not in others that gives you sort of most flexibility, you know, as opposed to just an outright ban completely. I don't know if that would require an actual like bylaw. So I think it's, you know, a few different particular questions we'll have to chase down. In general, given the population we have, I would be in favor of potentially banning them or being very restrictive in allowing them if we allow them. So I think, you know, we've just got so many younger folks and it is really about sort of hiding things. You know, they make sense on airplanes because, you know, it's there's less measuring and, you know, whatever, but, you know, in for the general public circumstances, I don't think it serves us well as a community. Okay, great. Thanks. I guess this, I don't know if this is a question that we would want to put to town council what his reaction is about the scope of our jurisdiction to regulate that. I think it's a good question for town council. And Steve, could you pass that along? Yeah, oh, sorry, I was speaking, I was muted. I think I gotta be happy to do that. And I think it's interesting because it says Chelsea did it, but I don't know. I mean, I would think that was probably a general bylaw, but I could be wrong. Okay. Because I do think they're talking about the city councilor who passed it. And also I do remember I looked at, I think it was Nantucket's bylaw and that was a general bylaw as well. Okay. So I think it probably, you know, considering how, it seemed like there's a lot of energy in Boston for it. I think the licensing commission probably would have done it if they just could have just done it by fiat, but I can definitely ask. Yeah, if we can find out the process as well. And it might be interesting to try to get some data about something about how much of a problem this is, because I don't remember if it was this editorial or another one that we were circulating around, but I know a lot of the justification is people who kind of sit outside of liquor stores and kind of down them and just throw them everywhere and it becomes a huge mess. But I don't know if we really have, you know, to play the devil's advocate, I wonder, you know, it does not really a problem I've seen here. I mean, the only place I really see them littered is that construction site at Amherst Oyster Bar. I think when they moved the fence, I saw a bunch of them that were under where the fence was there, where probably people waiting in line for the bars had tossed them. But I live downtown, I don't really see them otherwise. But just to throw the devil's advocate opinion out there because I think a lot of the people I know in real life who wouldn't come to a licensing board meeting or something probably wouldn't support that, but just throwing that opinion out there. No, yeah, yeah, points well taken. I remember Gabrielle telling us in our meeting here that she has to go and pick them up every morning. So maybe we could ask her for an update about that. Yeah, okay. Where was she picking them up from? Like outside? Just around town common. Yeah. The town common. Okay. All right, Halle, were you gonna do something for me? Oh, I was just gonna say the only time I ever purchased one of those is if I'm making a recipe and need two tablespoons of something, but I guess there's always Hadley, so. Yeah. We haven't considered all the cooks population of cooks. Yeah, five of us or whatever. Maybe brandy for something. I've done that before trying different things or stocking stuff or my sister turned 21 and I don't know. And it could have, you know, Boston and Chelsea are kind of big cities that are hard to get out of, but Amherst, you know, it's not too far to get over the line into Hadley, so it could affect businesses. Yeah. You know, that would be interesting to ask some of our local businesses what percentage of sales are of those, just to see. Yes, we could ask Spirit House. Does Amherst Wines and Liquors have them? I don't remember. I think, I can't think of anyone who does. R&P maybe? I'm gonna say R&P definitely does. R&P. Yeah. I think they all do. Do they all have them? Okay. Well, we could ask. I mean, I can send out an email to the package store owner saying, you know, there's something that's been brought up and, you know, we want feedback about, you know, what you think about it and... That would be great. Yeah. Yeah, send him the article. That would be awesome. Yeah, we'll do that. Okay, that would be great. Thanks, Steve. Okay, if there's nothing else on... Oh, well, the other article was about the... Oh, well, the other article, was there another? The, like, you know, the social... Oh, right. The social... Right. So that was just kind of like... It may be coming, kind of, you know. Okay. Okay. That was a good to read, Gaston, because if anything, that actually takes a little pressure off the board, because I think Amherst was supposed to be one of those... Those HALA communities, I know Alyssa Brewer was pretty well tied into the CCC as it was getting launched. So... But it's interesting to see they're kind of scrapping that and just moving ahead, so... Okay. Great. All right, so onto upcoming meetings and agendas. So we've talked about next Thursday, and then the meeting after that is the 15th of June at five. And... I'll be gone. You'll be gone. Oh, yes, we need to know everyone's... If anyone has summer plans or scheduling also, and they're considering your new position, if there's a... We need to adjust the meeting time at all, or not, or Dylan. Not, no, not the moment. Yeah. Yeah, five works, it's good for me, it's the other. There'll be times where I get stuck in a sales appointment that I just can't make it at five, but I don't expect that to be the exception more so than the rule. Okay, all right. So HALA will be gone on the 15th. And anyway, just forward. If you have them, summer absences to Steve. Yeah, I just on that note, I just did wanna ask, I mean, there's been a couple times in the last couple months as things have been getting busy, Dylan was new job and Doug with his new job and just everything going on that we came very close to not having a quorum. So if people could just please try to let me know as early as possible, if you definitely won't make it, or even if you think you might not make it, and then I can try to just kind of lock down other people and make sure we have a quorum. It would be much appreciated. I mean, is everybody just meeting the next meetings? Everybody think they'd be able to make it in the 15th? Yes. Not me, except HALA. And I know we'll have rental, the feedback from Mandy Johanna keep by then. So we can definitely talk more about the residential rental property by law. And I will post the meeting for next week and it works, it works. If it doesn't then... Sounds good. Okay, great. Topics not reasonably anticipated 48 hours prior to the meeting. Steve, as soon as you said, is it interim police chief? Is that what you called? When we had the former police chief in here and it was, he talked about the former relationship with the ABCC and they used to come in and go around with a representative from the police department to do compliance checks and then we had a bunch of businesses getting the violations from the ABCC. So, and then the police chief said he was gonna follow up and talk to see who the new representative was there. And then we didn't hear back about that. And now he's retired now. So I was wondering if you could bring that up if you've got time. Yeah, that's a good thing to remember. I'll write that down. Yeah, just so, maybe, I know he's probably got a lot to do, but if he can maybe check up on that, that would be great. Yes, Gaston. I have an issue that really relates to the whole, the format of these Zoom meetings and something I experienced being on the other side as an attendee. And it seems to me that the biggest, one of the biggest drawbacks of the Zoom setup that the town is using is that you don't get that sense of public support or outrage or whatever because you don't know who else is there. Right. It's something completely fixable. Zoom would just have to kind of make an adjustment in the platform. So, I don't know what to do with what I'm saying. I just wanted to point out that I've observed that being on the attendee side, that's the big loss. Sometimes what's very powerful is just seeing that you're there alone with 20 neighbors on an issue, especially like ZVA. You on ZVA Dylan, you can see who's there, but the people there don't see that they have shared support. And it's really unfair that one of the whole points of public meetings is being aware of the power of the public. And again, it's a technologically very solvable issue, but it hasn't been solved. One, yeah, I don't know if there's anything that Zoom would do for us, but I mean, we could, you know, read out the attendees at the beginning of the meeting, the names and so on. Yeah, I mean, I really, you know, it hasn't come up much in our context, but there are a lot of other town committees where it would really make a difference to know that you're there along with a lot of other people. And so, yeah, I don't know how to kind of start a conversation, but then maybe I'll have to write like a little editorial or something. I don't know. Yeah, good point. So I guess we could do that by, I don't know if we asked at the beginning of the meeting, like who was here for what part of the discussion, instead of just asking for general public comment. That may be the call without allowing everybody to speak. Sorry. Oh, okay. I mean, and some people might want to be not publicly recognized. I think they could start by at least mentioning there are seven participants currently. Okay. Raise your hand if you feel comfortable with us raising, reading out your name or something. Okay. Like that. Something like that. All right. Is that, would that be a start Gaston? Would that help a little bit? Yes. I guess what people can do is raise their hand and then panelists see that. Is that how it works? Can everybody see it when like, like you raise your hand. So if I said, we have seven participants. Well, I don't know. Yeah. If can attendees raise their hand and we'll see it. Is that? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We can see it. So if I said, right, raise your hand if you're here for this part of the discussion or raise your hand if you're here. And then we know that, I guess there are seven. Yeah. And even just saying so many people are here, you know, let the, let the minutes show that so many people are here. That I think that itself would be an improvement. Okay. How many people are here? All right. Attendance. Okay. Great. Any thanks. That's a really good idea. Any other topics not reasonably anticipated? No. Okay. Is there a motion to adjourn? Don't move. Thank you, Doug. Is there a second? Second. Thank you, Dylan. Take a vote. Gaston. Aye. Helly. Aye. Dylan. Aye. And I vote aye. That is five to zero. We're adjourned at 5.51 PM. Thanks everybody. Thanks everybody. Thanks, Steve. See everybody maybe next week and definitely on the 15th. All right. Bye. Thank you all. Thanks.