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Let's talk about it now Yeah, you know when we talk about longevity or should I say when longevity and exercise or talked about in mainstream News or even studies What they typically talk about is cardiovascular activity right just being active right well We now have studies to support what we've done for a long time, which is That strength training has profound effects on longevity and here's something even more interesting new study came out Comparing or showing the effects of love resistance training on longevity and by the way, this is these were everyday average people Whether they did body weight resistance training or gym type resistance training they put that all together So it's not like there's our hardcore bodybuilders or whatever They're just doing some form of strength training And here's what they found that was different between the longevity benefits of strength training versus the longevity benefits of aerobic or Carvester training Reduction in cancer risk. Oh, wow strength training had a significant reduction in cancer risk that we don't see necessarily there's this great book called Resistance training revolution Yeah guys a little the guy that wrote it's a little douchey, but I mean he's spot-on with some of the things that he talked about Yeah, no, it shows so check this out. This is what the study says that This is the largest study to compare the mortality outcomes of different types of exercise Strength training based exercise had a 23% reduction in risk of premature death by any means and a 31% reduction in cancer Related death. So it's vital when it comes cancer and again, what do they attribute that to? The muscle protective. Well, yeah But like in terms of the protective tissue with around your organs like what that is a very good question I don't know. I think it would be more metabolic related. Yeah, you think that I would think so because Building muscle is one of the most effective ways to improve insulin sensitivity It's almost a guaranteed way to do so like they've done studies on the severely obese And they'll have them gain some muscle not lose any weight and we'll see these great improvements in insulin Balanced hormone profiles and everything else that comes with strength training. It could be but also, you know Through the process of breaking muscle down and building it the body does release a lot of these kind of hormetic Compounds that you know if you looked at my face value For example, you lifted weights and then studied someone's blood right afterwards like oh my god That's damaging look all the the damage markers and then flat inflammatory markers But I think that that's part of the balance that keeps you healthy and living a long time And that may be why it's anti-cancer into if you think of the aerobic side of it like inevitably you're gonna hit repetitive stress issues Which are gonna come up and on top of that the oxidative stress So those two factors alone, you know We would seem to kind of pull it down a bit versus like strength training gives you a bit more ability to Continue moving and continue that movement pain-free. Yeah, good point And then here's something else and this is not what they said in the studies is my own speculation And I I had somebody very close to me who slot who you know over a year and a half slowly died from cancer and Watching that and then researching it during that period and talking to cancer doctors Oftentimes what kills people is the treatment and their inability to continue to lose weight their inability to continue to waste away Well, let's say you go into Because it said cancer related death. It didn't say cancer necessarily now That's probably a reduction in cancer has to be but I wonder if there's a piece of that that says hey If you have an extra 20 pounds of muscle on your body And you do get cancer and you do get treatment and the treatment successful. You're less likely to die From the muscle wasting or the body wasting effects of the treatment because if you've ever seen somebody go on cancer treatment Atrophy they lose tons of muscle, but if you have muscle and strength more than normal to begin with there's more You have more more room to lose more room to lose So I wonder if that plays a role at all, but it definitely there's a reduction in just rat is in cancer as well But very interesting now Do you do you predict that we're going to in the near future see doctors starting to recommend this 100% by the way I go back and forth on that by the way Why wouldn't they recommend it just because the risk factor and we know that like complexity maybe yes You know and because there's so many there's so much red tape like with like when it comes to like the medical field It's just like certifications, right all the stuff that we we learned in certifications We've we've unlearned as we got more experience, right? It's like oh wow You know stopping my clients at 90 degrees on their squad or on their bench press was you know Yeah, the certification taught us that for safety reasons, but I know that for overall joint health That's not ideal. In fact, I should train my clients through its fullest their fullest range of motion And so yeah, my fear is that even though the studies are continuing to point in this direction I know you highlight them all the time and I want I want to believe that we're gonna move in this direction I still have a little hesitancy to come out and say oh, yeah real soon here Doctor's gonna be saying that because I feel like because of the red tape. Yeah, that's a good point But by the way, I do want to also add that The the combination of cardiovascular activity and strength training had the largest reduction of risk of mortality, so Combining the two is probably your best bet when it comes to longevity, but you know back to You know what you were saying. I think it's more of this I think that cardiovascular activity on its face appears to be More simple and easy to apply right because the belief is oh, I'm gonna go for a run I just got to put on my shoes and go run lower barrier to entry. Yeah, like oh, it's oh, I'll just go run That's not it's not a problem at all now part of that is true There's a there's a million and one different strength training exercises and up and you know You could do there's five different ways to do each one So when some of it's true, but some of it's also false There's a bit of a false belief that the simplicity of you know Just getting up and run means that you're gonna go do so and it's gonna be okay And you're not gonna hurt yourself and it's not gonna be a problem, and I think that's why people They take for grant or they I should say they have a misunderstanding that oh, I just go run It's not a big deal running is a skill like anything and and I'm picking running because that's the most common one If you just go and run, but you don't run well You are going to hurt yourself you are gonna create yourself, you know problems for yourself Whereas with strength training the understanding is it's more complex So you probably have a little bit more respect going into it. I better use the no the right exercises I better learn the right technique But there is again, there's truth to because well the strength training programming is much more complex The risks are a little different though, right like the the running Although I would say a majority of people that just start running will encounter some sort of an injury the injuries are typically minor and or Chronic pain is what you would get more more likely like in the knees or the hips like their shins are probably most common with that where The risk of really hurting like your back or something, you know doing a deadlift or a squat improper is a much higher risk Where you could actually really hurt something that's why that's why I'm worried about it never going that way because Yeah, you're right running can't hurt you I mean if you have poor mechanics, which most people do have but you know, what are we talking about shin splints, you know bursitis You know chronic knee pain. We're not talking about, you know, breaking your back or we're not talking about Yeah, but you know, don't you see this sort of wedge in between all that in terms of like the tonal machine or one of these other like They try to figure out how to add resistance training in one setting. That's like they try and simplify it for You know your everyday average person more. So maybe that's like sort of the bridge into Resistance training where doctors will get behind. Yeah, I mean again, we're thinking about like complex, you know Barbell exercise like the average person's like there's some very basic exercises you could do and also the data Doesn't back the feeling that you have like if you look at the data Running creates more injuries per person number one then strength training, right? And I don't think it's because of the potential rather. I think it's the way it's treated People tend to you take the average person who's like I'm gonna try some strength training They place more thought and caution on I gotta do this exercise, right? Let me look it up Let me make sure I'm doing the right technique. Let me do it slow and careful Whereas the average person goes I'm gonna go run I'm gonna run I get tired Yeah, part of that though is because the risk is higher Because the the the risk of doing a deadlift or a squat. I think it's complexity that does it They just don't know people think they know with run. Yeah, but I mean because the complexity of it on a movement like that There's a higher risk of hurting yourself more than there is if you go potentially. Yeah, potentially, but it doesn't end up You're right statistically. You're right. I mean, we know what I mean It's the reason why we are constantly kind of harping people about going out and running It's not because we're anti running It's just that people think that that's a great form exercise my fear again though is that the doctors But you bring up a good point is maybe that's not squatting and deadlifting Maybe we maybe like it becomes a thing where doctors start to promote like walking lunges. Yeah body weight squad Right, right. Let's do you know, maybe it looks like this really basic body That's the direction it's going right and I think the doctors will promote it when the studies become and they already doing this the studies are starting to become overwhelming the evidence is becoming overwhelming and You know doctors rely on the fact that science has to feel Somewhat settled and somewhat established for the before they start and they take a little longer, right? The fitness industry and the health industry is always on the cutting edge So we were the ones that were saying things like and you know You should butters probably better than margarine and doctors were still following the old guidelines until the evidence became so overwhelming That they started to reverse, you know kind of what they said I think that we're probably 10 years away from strength training being the reason why I titled the resistance training revolution that Because I feel like it's coming anyway I feel like there's gonna be a revolution of the way people understand and apply strength training It's not gonna be the oh, that's just what bodybuilders do or don't do that It'll get too big. I think the average person we're pretty close to the point where the average person like oh Yeah, that's a great way to exercise for lunch. It is interesting I was just thinking about that in terms of like, you know clinical settings and have these studies conducted where you know the gym setting we have like Clients that we've pulled data from and you know stuck with them for a really long period of time and you know by the hundreds by the thousands we have all of this data, but it's obviously not used by Scientific community because it's anecdotal Whereas and this is where we kind of start to formulate our own opinions like I didn't really see that happen within my clients No, and also it's part of the reason by the way I don't blame like the studies and stuff and say oh they were biased it was It's harder to study strength training than it is, you know cardiovascular training first of all animal studies You can put a rat on a treadmill, but you get a rat to lift weights You got to get real creative to figure that out, right? I want to see that, you know getting people even even studying Humans, right? Okay, if we're gonna have them do resistance training. Well now we need to have a structure We need to make sure but if we just have them run on a treadmill, it's easy to apply So most of the studies done on strength training up until relatively maybe the last 10 years We're all done on athletics. So we knew it was ready for athletics. There wasn't a lot of health studies There were some but not a much now We're seeing lots of studies start to come out We're starting to see that that weakness is a predictor of all cause more doubt mortality better than Your ability to run on a treadmill even they're showing so Fascinating so what tips it over, you know, what is what's going to what's gonna need to happen and more studies like this? I mean this just came out. Yeah more stuff like this is what's gonna tip it over Oh friend needs to take this and run with it. Yeah, I know usually like starts at all Yeah, and then you know in celebrities talking more about traditional strength training always helps, right? You know give them credit because no, I know I'm just it's I'm just thinking of like our generation growing up It was always like somebody influential. I know was like, this is the way we all need to do it Well, when we were growing up if you saw anybody in media that was like healthy They didn't lift weights like oh that health person They were a runner a marathon runner if I thought about lifting weights with popular media It was Arnold's of us just alone by builders or like athletes those all you had that was it And but now it's starting to change a list there's still a stigma, right? But it's starting to change a little bit. So that's you know, that's a good point I'm trying to think of besides like the Arnold's and Sylvester like back in like the 80s and stuff like who was like dude Even were the body types besides that right even picture that are like the Cindy Crawford model Sizer's I guess. Yeah, like even right now if you were if media was to create like this avatar of this healthy Long-living person they would show them doing yoga running and Maybe that's it swimming or something like that. Yeah, everything is super Zen Yeah, that they promote for longevity. They wouldn't show strength training even though strength training is Profoundly beneficial for longevity, which is kind of you know what but again, I think it's starting to change So good stuff. Anyway, I want to tell you guys a hilarious story about my my baby son He's turning out to be a little little tyrant. So I told you guys about when he gets He'll get angry and he'll just he'll walk through the house and just throw shit, you know Yeah, and he's really defiant about it like he'll look at you and like he's got this look on his face like Yeah, so I'm like part of me's like cool. He's got the rebellious, you know You got a little bit of my attitude in there, but part of me's like better do what I say, buddy So anyway, I was playing with him and he want to do some I wouldn't let him do it And so he got kind of angry and he'll do this thing right now He'll squeeze your face Like he'll let out his anger and squeeze his face and I'm telling him don't do that Part of it's my fault because when he would do it before I'd laugh and then he did to Jessica and she's like Oh, he can't be doing that. I'm like, you're right I got to make sure he knows that he can hurt people or whatever So I said don't do that and he looks at me upset like and then he goes to do it again And I said if you do it again, I'm gonna put you in time out So we started to do time out with him and he might be a little young But we only put him in there for one minute and we have the little you know that gated You have those gates that you can like section off areas. Yeah, so I made it into like a square So he goes inside the center. Yeah, he goes in jail like a little great. Yeah So he's in there Trust me plenty of plenty of air in there. There's light Sliding his his food underneath And he goes in for a minute What you do is we put him in there and then we have a timer a visual timer And we put it on a minute and we say you have one minute so he's learning the timer or whatever, right? So he's doing this to me and he squeezed my face I said I'm gonna put you in time out and he gives me this dirty look and I'm like I'm like try not to laugh because the look he makes it just wants to crack me up But I'm like don't I'm trying to be consistent. Mm-hmm. So then he goes and he squeezes my face So it's all right. You're gonna go and time out. He gets off. This is true Now he gets off. He wants to climb down. I said, we're gonna put you in time I he climbs down he walks over he grabs the timer He puts it down by the gate and he stands by the gate and looks at me you little shit He's like, oh fine put me in time out. That's exactly what he's telling me. Oh, here you go Put me in he's looking at me like what are you gonna do about it? There's just little reflections, dude I have I'm like what am I gonna do about this kid, dude We've we've gone from you know how like poop jokes are the best right in the beginning when they're like certain age And then it sort of progresses into just penis jokes Like that is that the natural inevitable progression of that and like I forgot about that and It's definitely my kid like so but ever we're at we're at this Garden place like we're just getting like plants and stuff for the yard with Courtney and he's like he's grabbing some of the seeds that have like Like, you know random names for flowers and so he would like Start like taking some of the letters and trying to sound them out and be like I Make it sound like penis or cock or And I'm like dude. Hey, he's like Like calm down with that We joke like that at home. We don't do that in public. Yeah, that's the thing you got to be careful for yeah my so you guys know I have a dark sense of humor and Might be one of the reasons why I got caught up kicked off Instagram, but my and it's very dark It's what you see on Instagram is The rated G version of my sense of humor can be really bad like I can hang out with comedians and if you've ever Heard comedians when they're on the stage. It can be terrible. You're them together and it's like, oh my god You guys make the worst. I love it Surgeons and nurses also have a terrible dark sense of humor probably because they see so much I learned this from training so much death, right? Yeah, and so I would get along great with him because we'd have this right and so my son I've told you guys my oldest son's got this dark sense of humor too that he got for me And I've had to talk to him about like be careful When the appropriate time yeah, you don't want to make these jokes around the wrong people cuz I get offended my daughter is the worst Oh, she's worse, huh, bro. I can't even tell you the joke that's surprising or what I yeah Cuz she's I you know what maybe cuz I I assume cuz she's a girl She's not gonna be like she might be a little more empathetic or whatever Well, didn't she used to call you out for like saying bad words all the time Yeah, she did but she she I came to say the joke she told me she told me some jokes and She'd laugh and I'm like that is Hilarious I can't believe you said that you know, she thinks it's so funny and she's like yeah, I'm like she goes What did she say she goes? I'm like I'm really dark, but I'm sweet too and she thinks it's funny. I'm like, oh fuck What have I done? I'm excited for those years and be fun right now. It's fun because that he's like well I'm also going through this phase two of them having to be very careful of what we say and then we're now repeating it All right, so like yeah now he's now and he it's on his terms though Right, so he has to be in the mood to want to to like try and say things like he'll go the whole day and babble And not really say anything and then all of a sudden he'll be in a mood And he'll just be like saying everything you say and repeating and yet yesterday I was playing with them and I got him to do that for a minute where I'm like TV Computer mom dad mazzi and he's just like repeating repeating repeating repeating and then Katrina goes over to get her phone to record it Nothing I know dude. Yeah, I feel like he thinks it's funny like he's just messing with her, you know, so so yeah We're a little like okay. We got to be careful what we gotta do is be careful when he says a word wrong And it sounds like something else don't laugh. I know cuz my my my Isn't that half the fun though too cuz that's it's not when they say it around like the wrong place like my my Oldest said instead of truck he'd say fuck Yeah, so my once we look I laughed about it except I'm like fuck fuck I laugh about it Well, I think that was funny and he would say it all the time and then people think that you let your kid cuss I mean, what are you saying run your kid? I could see where that would be a little embarrassing Yeah, I don't really let him act like that. No, it's hilarious. You know, I've been watching this There's a series on Netflix. So this so Jessica and I almost never watch garbage shit Processed food TV. We never almost never watch it, but every once in a while Let's get her now. We'll watch a show and it's usually a reality dating show of some sort and what we do She's gonna get mad. I'm telling her about everyone about this, but whatever is we're very cynical We watch the show and we judge everybody Oh, we do the same hard like it's like oh and I'll predict I'll say like what is that? I love rock of love for that reason What is it in human nature now? I've admitted this too, but I I tend to want to do it when I feel sick because I feel bad about myself So it's my way I feel better myself is like oh even when I'm at my worst and I feel terrible inside something like that At least I ain't got it like them. So that's kind of like my attitude when I'm watching show that what is it that drives You guys on it's just drama. I guess we're just drawn to drama. Yeah gossip, you know Try to like, you know get Like getting the other person's pants, you know like their their approach to it and all that I don't know It's just funny. Well the show first of all the premise is ridiculous. They meet it. So it's love is blind Oh, I saw I saw the first of season two right They meet in these pods and then they just talk to each other and then based off that if you fall in love You ask him to marry you it's like within seven days and they're crying Oh, I love her and Jessica and I are like seven days you fucking do we know that like we're just making fun of But they're going through this whole thing. They're doing it and then we get cynical about the people themselves And so I'm predicting who's gonna stay together who's gonna get a big blowout argument who has like trauma issues Like there's this one girl in there She's like 30 and you could tell and this is what Jessica got kind of mad that I said this was You could tell this girl was probably hot in her early 20s, but probably partied a little too hard She's passed her prime with that she's lost her power And she hasn't figured that out yet and the reason why I say that's cuz she has no other Like she has no personality. She has no other skill She developed nothing else cuz she was probably smoking in her 20s which got all the attention She could do whatever she wanted and now she's just she's starting to lose it She's like talks about sex the whole time has no other yes Doesn't know what to do when there's when they can't see her and so I did they okay I watched the first season I didn't watch any of this one in fact I don't even know if I finished the first season but Katrina and I did watch a little bit of that Do they recap because what I'm always curious about is oh where are they now? Yeah, where are they now like so none of them are together There's no way did that's did they recap it? Did they tell you what happened? Oh, I didn't see you Oh, yeah, yeah, see I want to know if they're together still if they even well some of them like imploded almost immediate like at the end of the show they kind of told like You know like a couple months later like who is still kind of doing well who wasn't like almost all of them were like Imploded it's up for like maybe two I mean, I feel like a like a like a therapist would tell Any normal person that the fact that you would even go on a television show like this that right away It's like they would already tell you like you're not in a good place. Yes To be in a relationship. Yes, so the whole concept like I just I don't think it collapses on itself Just in that you have a self-selection bias right of Pete who's gonna go on a show right desperate losers Genuinely trying to like find a white so they already have problems. They need to work out They're not close to be honest They're not genuinely looking for a wife or husband. They're going on to be on TV. Yeah, and what they're thinking is well Exactly and then they're in the drama of it the cameras are on them They're in the environment. They really want to feel what they what they think they feel so they make themselves feel It's here now. I'm being cynical. It's right. It's how we talk while we watch the show as we break the whole thing down Yeah, but you've seen it's the thing is we know the production end of that right and like how they have to like You know build them up hold like and give them drinks and make sure they're right things and all that So I know Doug does this I without even asking him He's got to do this because I think I only do it because of him now I'm curious if you guys do this now Katrina makes fun of me because we're now in the media space So we're watching so gross. I'll be why don't just go gross a right So I went on watching something like I'll break down the set to her like oh, they're totally having to shoot all kind I was watching I was watching this movie, right? It was that it's the the prequel to the The Western one I like what's the Yellowstone, thank you the prequel to that right and there's a scene where and this is like an 1893 or whatever Right, so it's like 1893 or some some time around there And there's a scene where it's nighttime and he's in the inside the tent with his kids' wife And you're and it's completely lit and like I just that would never dawn on me before. I'm like there's a campfire outside They're in a tent where there's gonna be dark as fuck. Yeah, we don't there's no flame in there Oh, yeah, and it's like all their faces are so lit. I'm like, oh my god They got backlighting over here and they're doing this ruining the movie. Yeah, yeah, I Never would do that before but because of what we're in and I and I'm around it so much now Do you do that Doug? I do. Of course you do right? It's hard to unsee it And then it kills the moment because you're like there's like six dudes right now holding, you know holding lights over this like romantic moment 100% now then you see the boom mic like come down Yeah, like really bad. There was one show. I can't remember it on Netflix I can't remember what it was, but it was basically a bunch of I mean base, you know, the premise was young attractive People going on an island. You told me about this. Yeah. Yeah, and the goal what they're gonna That was when I had COVID. Okay. Yeah, and they're like and they're like trying to hook up with each other and have Temptation Island something like that right something like that right and they're gonna they're all about partying and hooking up Right, and then they get to and Jessica and I were watching this and we're watching this This was a while ago and they meet up and within a day The possessiveness starts just to happen like the dude is flirting with one girl Which is cool and they're like, oh and they're talking all sexual because supposedly they're all you know Horny and fucking whatever but then she goes and talks to another guy and then the dude becomes jealous or vice versa The girl becomes jealous. Yeah, Jessica and I are fucking laughing and we're like, you know If they made this with a bunch of and this is true now if they made a show like that with a bunch of Sexy horny 40-something year olds that shit would go to sex right away. Everybody would have said nobody would give a shit It's because there are a bunch of 20 year olds If it was a bunch of 40-something year olds that met up on this island they flirt with each other Hey, oh, you think she's hot too cool. That's all you guys all want to do this Well, I know there's definitely like I mean Remember we saw that evolution with You know, it's our generation that grew up with real world, right? And the original one was pure just like biggest loser I felt was pure the first season of those when they were first kind of testing the idea That's true. And then what ends up happening is they find out like oh they cast people specifically for sure So yeah, so that all those shows you have to send in a video you tell your backstory. Here's Ryan He's a white supremacist. Yeah Here's Johnny. He's BLM activist. Yeah living together So they totally set that all up and I I've known people that actually have been on those shows and they'll even tell me like You know, there's cameras everywhere and a lot of times what will happen is there will be something organically that happens I can make them recreate it. They'll make them recreate it. They'll be like they'll get up in the morning They'll be like some sort of a fight time of day Yeah, and so they'll be like hey stage that whole thing and then they'll make them kind of like fight again And it's not the real original fight. You guys remember The Chappelle show where he made fun of the real world. Oh, okay, so if you guys remember in the real world I don't remember what season it was But there was like it was a lot of dramas from the MTV one and there was that one black dude That was a comedian and everybody kicked they wanted to kick him out of the skinny guy. Yeah Yeah, they kicked him out because he lost his temper, right? Yeah, and Chappelle basically is like Yeah, dude, you put him in a house with a bunch of crazy white people of course again So then what he did is he created the skit. Yeah, where there was the reverse and this white dude comes in and they fucking Terrorize him and then finally he freaks out and everybody looks at him like man You you you're unstable, but this is after that like one of the dude bangs his girl another dude stabs his dad It's one of my favorites anyway, so so I'm trying something new from MP hormones Dot-com. Oh, what are you doing? NAD look at you dude. I know now you see you give me you give me a doctor Who's gonna make who's a come on? You give me a doctor who's gonna? You know monitor me and access to things in a monitor by doctor. Yeah, it's like supplements. Yeah, I'm a supplement So NAD Injection so NAD sub q so it's it's you injected, you know sub q which is like in the fat Okay, so school me on this because one I think somebody asked a question one time And I was like I have no idea what that bullshit is and then we were reading Tony Robbins book And he I think is a whole chapter dedicated to NAD. Yeah, so enlighten me on what what do we know about this so far? So the longevity now that the studies aren't super clear yet and one of the challenges is taking it orally It tends to get destroyed in the gut So there's a couple ways people are getting around this but in the way that it's been used in the past was intravenous or Injectable right sub q because it bypasses the the digestive system or whatever, but the longevity benefits the Increases the length of the telomeres on your DNA, which is an indicator of your by a lot. I guess your your cellular age it Improves mitochondrial function People will say they have more energy. They feel better. They're less inflamed now. I've tried Supplements, I don't want to say who but we've had companies send us and I felt nothing. I noticed nothing So I said, you know what people keep that especially the biohackers talk so much about NAD and precursors like NMM and other stuff And then of course Tony Robbins wrote about it in his book So I said, you know, let me try it. Let me try eject. So I just tried it I haven't had been on it long enough. Okay, but I'll let you guys know now Is this like a localized effect or systemic? So is it like no sign of injection? Is it like? Effect like all yourself. Oh, no, it's a whole body. Yeah. Yeah, and I don't have to inject it on my whole I don't know. I just like where you get all the benefits for a young guy. Yeah No, it's systemic. I know are you I mean those it's twice a week by the way and are you supposed to fill anything like should you see increased? Energy energy like all that stuff. So more energies better sleep recovery Just general well-being so we'll see we'll see if I notice anything from taking it But I've tried that I'm already doing the I be I beat a moron which is what MK 677. That's a Peptide that you take early it raises growth. No, I can tell I thought I heard you on the phone with either dr. Randard or Todd talking about potentially putting some stacks together like this happening Yeah, so the peptide world is very interesting to me. I don't know a ton about it I I've always been a bit skeptical mainly because people are so this is how people will get their peptides Typically either you go through a doctor and it's usually hormone Therapy places that will do it which that's fine. You're under the supervision of a doctor They're ensuring that what you're getting is what you're getting But a lot of people go online and we'll get this stuff in this kind of gray market where it's like research chemical. I Think that's a terrible idea. You don't know what you're getting. You don't know if you're taking too much You don't know what the deal is they're not very well studied not being monitored. So you don't know how it's actually affecting your body So that's why I've always stayed away from those types of things, but because I'm being monitored And you know, I trust these these doctors. I I try and couple them out. So I viewed them more and I could tell I sleep Really good and I have very vivid dreams and so far It's only been maybe like a couple weeks that I've been on it Maybe a week and a half. Yeah, and I think I'm noticing some difference in my my skin in my nails What makes what makes peptides so much safer than psalms? Well a psalm is Attaches to the androgen Receptor okay, and the goal of a psalm is to act like testosterone But without some of the side effects of testosterone, that's the goal if they're very they haven't been studied very long and They're a poor substitute for testosterone real or anabolic, right? So if you're if you're gonna if you can get on TRT Like there's no a psalm. It's a stupid thing to take There'd be no reason to take it if if you want to take a psalm because you don't want to because you want to be like You're on steroids. I think you're even better off going with anabolic because they've been around for so long Right. So psalms to me is weird. It's silly. I'm not a big supporter of them Now peptides are different Peptides don't do that peptide there are peptides that increase or improve the ability of your body to recover and heal Like bpc 1 I've heard the majority of people that I know that have done it have done it in terms of like heat the healing process Yes, speeding that up. Yes, there's also Obviously peptides that help release growth hormone So those are different. Those have been tested and again, you could be monitored. There's a peptide I don't remember the name of it that has been shown to increase sexual desire in men and women You take it 30 or 45 minutes before I don't need any of that Which is really interesting. But anyway, I am I'm in I'm talking with them about but here's the cool thing about peptides You could go to for example if you go to MP hormones calm and then set up an appointment and talk to them And you don't you're not gonna go on hormone therapy testosterone levels are fine hormones are fine You can still go on peptides with them and be monitoring stuff and try that route Which I think is pretty fascinating. Yeah, and is there is there nothing in in the peptide world that is has showed Any sort of adverse effects? Do we know like as far like I know Psalms can be a sketch Yeah, we find and I know there are some people that oh, yeah I'm fine But then my eyesight or my sight's turning yellow or some weird weird stuff like that Is there anything like that with peptides or they so far the ones that they're working with pretty safe And now your your potential risks would be with what they do. So like if you take something that raises growth hormone then you may you want to monitor your blood sugar and your insulin because a Growth hormone goes up insulin sensitivity goes down So if you're prone or predisposed to diabetes Or insulin insensitivity, then you probably don't want to take anything that makes a growth hormone go up So that would be something like that, but this would be a question. I would ask Yeah, and I'm assuming that I mean when you go at least when you go through Regenerative like when you go through them, they do your blood work first That's what I mean you ask those questions I would tell you like oh, you're a candidate for this or no, you're not a candidate for this Anyways, speaking of mixing things together, you know what I've been adding to my caffeine Stack in the morning the read the red juice from organifi. Oh, that's fire with the caffeine Yeah, oh I normally I normally use that in replace when I've decided to come that's the smart way to do it You're coming off caffeine do the red juice to help with the side effects you get some energy The stupid way but fun way to do it is to combine them and boy do you get so fire? Are they are they not? necessarily Counterproductive synergistic, okay, because the rhodiola and the red juice is got mild stimulant effects So you take that with the your normal pre-workout. So whatever pre-workout you do You probably want less of that when you add the red juice, but it's like it's a it's a bit of a calm Yeah, when I transitioned to more hit-style training cardio vascular type training You're like I switch over to red juice every time did it always helps with that You know what was one of my favorite things about trying that when we first got introduced to it Was actually the pumps The beetroot powder I got great pumps from that like as if I was taking the the best and I'll explode product that was out There I got the same type of effect from something natural like that. I thought that was really beat root powder Will raise your nitric oxide more than Citrulline will which is in pre-workout. So then why isn't that why why aren't most of these like nitric oxide? You know products Why are they not derived from that then or is it they're starting to you're starting to see now come out more Well, they're starting to add it Citrulline does that too, but it might be cheaper Is it because is it citrulline or beta-aline that may gives you the the tingles beta-aline? Oh, that's that doesn't have anything that doesn't increase nitric oxide But it does reduce the because I know why I know why they put stuff like that in there to feel Yeah, it's just like the bubbles in the shampoo in the toothpaste They ain't doing shit for your hair or for your teeth, but it feels like it is speaking of which back to the NAD You know what raises NAD in your body niacin, but you don't want to take big dosa niacin. You've done that before Yeah, yeah, they're starting sweating. No, thanks. You'll sweat my My balls. Oh, I look like a lobster a lot of by the way a lot of pre-workouts use that as like a hack Right. I know like you take niacin and then all of a sudden within 20 minutes You're sweating you think your pre-workout so amazing like but it's just the niacin and totally hey I want to ask you Justin I overheard you talking to I don't remember who it was on staff But you were talking about the supplies that you're getting for your dog from public goods. Yeah Are you all public goods with that stuff? Yeah? I switched over to public goods like for just random stuff like, you know dog shampoo and for treats And so I usually give them some treats to try and retrain them So like dude behaviors it changes all the time if we leave them too long or like we go on trips and things We come back it's almost like you're starting over again And so I've been working with especially my my wymer ainer who's just like high strong So I'm always having to kind of train him and I get treats like to help with that but also too Like around my property. I don't know what it is about this season, but there's just ticks Everywhere like and maybe it's because of like there's so many deer that come through Because of the fruit and things on my property But every time he goes out and he's runs through the woods and everything he comes back He's got ticks on him So I'm like pulling them off and then I'm throwing them in the shower and I'm looking at you know So I'm just like going through shampoo like crazy. It seems I don't know they even they have dog shampoo on there They do they have everything. I know really I know I went through that and just saw it I have to get better about every time I'm looking for something to just go there first because every time I've looked for I'm like shit They have this to you know, it's funny is we pay attention to the chemicals and shit and our our products for ourselves You ever look at like like traditional dog shampoos and dog food and stuff so much less regulated I mean they're getting better now, but but that's like a marketing point, right like that for animals They're always like, oh, we don't but the standard is really bad. Yeah, well, it's it's getting better though Because that's I mean look at the way we are with our pets today. They're just compared to 20 years ago That's true. I mean, that's true Remember when I was a kid if the dog was sick my dad was like let him eat some grass Oh, yeah, it's like it was like common place for them to have a bunch of tumors and like, you know, that was common You're just like you know I'm saying like I think it's more richer, right? We're wealthier people are wealthier now Oh, yeah treat their dogs. No totally. I mean and how many places could you break now? It's like especially when you go places like in LA or I mean grocery stores allow dogs walking around how many people don't even walk Their dogs in where they carry them. Yeah, I see it all the time. I think it's the weirdest thing What are you doing? I blame the Kardashians for that or or or a baby carriage. Yeah They're pushing the dog. It's not a baby. Was it wasn't one of you guys on the plane next to someone with like a little dog Who was that? Yeah, that was me. Oh, it was you right some way like Doug get on the plane I heard like like the bag was like moving or something. I was like, whoa, what's in the bag? Somebody was fine. What kind of dog was it? You know, it was the Maltapoo, I think it's a you know, Maltese poodle mix It was cute dog. The dog came out at the end of the flight. Looks a lot like our dog I was gonna say yeah, except a lot bigger. Well, I said ours you and Adam have a dog together. Yes, if you have a place No, Brianna Brianna's dog Bella. Yes Hey, look, do you want to have a home gym but hate the kind of equipment they sell for home gyms? It's crap right try PRX performance PRX makes commercial grade home gym equipment But here's the best part they consider the fact that most people just don't have tons of space So for example, they have squat racks super sturdy Super quality, but they fold into the wall literally you it's like six inches off the wall Then you pull it off the wall very stable night squat bench overhead press They have benches that fold in the wall. They have weights and weight racks that go into the wall Great quality amazing stuff. We have our whole studio here outfitted with PRX Oh, by the way, you could do payment plans, right? So if you want to pay monthly like you're going to a gym except you own this gym You can do that. So go check them out head over to PRX performance comm forward slash mine pump and you'll get 5% off. All right. Here comes the rest of the show First question is from P. Erickson live What why do you recommend prime and prime pro as the best programs for trainers working with clients? Wow? Yeah, that's a good question. So let's change the question a little bit just so people who don't have the program So maybe not familiar with them kind of understand why a little bit Why would you recommend it correctional exercise based programs? For trainers or why would those be the most important? Well mainly because correctional exercise which really refers to exercise that helps somebody move better reduces poor recruitment patterns helps them connect better to Muscles they may not be very well connected to All those things by the way individualized, right? So because everybody's a little different when you do that for someone regardless of their goal Regardless of the way they train they're gonna do better So if they're an endurance athlete, they're gonna perform better if they're there for longevity They're gonna do better if they're trying to build muscle or strength. They're gonna do better That's the one consistent thing that you should find in any program regardless of the person or the goal and of course it needs to be Individualized because what could be correctional for one person could be a waste of time for another or maybe even make an issue worse for them But that being said, you know prime and prime pro or correctional exercise based programs So it doesn't matter what your clients goals are or how you're training them You want to incorporate that into the routine to maximize whatever it is They're looking for you got to consider the structural integrity of the entire body Like what are we building on top of a lot of times like we as trainers? I mean the first thing we want to find is any kind of imbalance any kind of a glaring type of dysfunction that we can address so that way if if not immediately Alleviate pain at least, you know prevent it from happening in the future and be able to set them on the right foot Going forward towards their goal So and you can do this a lot of times simultaneously with whatever fat loss goal whatever, you know muscle building goal They have but I mean really this is the basis of our value is to be able to address These issues in these imbalances so that way You know they can move properly and also be able to accomplish goals and keep that going and keep that longevity in their program one of the single best or most important certifications that I ever received was the correct the corrective exercise specialists And unfortunately for me that was one of my last ones I did I think it was like number seven or eight that I did and the all the ones that I did before that didn't even come close to Providing us much value as the corrective exercise specialist certification did for me And it was because what I realized and Sal you were alluding to this is that Every single one of my clients needs this I don't care if you're in great shape an athlete You especially athletes right there's some of the most dysfunctional clients were actually somebody who was a athlete for many years But even more importantly I At that point I knew how to do a squat assessment because I went through in a Sam So I say I'm taught like the fundamental, you know squat assessment But to be completely honest like I wasn't great at what to go from there So I do a squat assessment and then I'd see the other arms fall forward their knees cave in and you know We had a little chart to be like oh this this is wrong or this is wrong But then from there I wasn't really qualified to build a routine around to correct it to fix it to help them and Yet everybody that I ever did a squat assessment had some sort of breakdown if not a ton of breakdown Which by the way prime is our version of the squat assessment. We actually have a squat assessment in there We have the overhead assessment and then we have the windmill or rotational assessment in there So it we've bolstered what we thought was the most ideal assessment. So as a trainer Here you have Which is one of the things that you will do with every single client is a assessment, right? It should be every first session should be every Potential client so if you offer a free opportunity to meet you you should be going through some sort of an assessment process Which is maps prime so and then from there you're going to point out to this client Regardless of their goals build muscle lose body fat overall health get rid of pain no matter what their goal is You're going to assess them and then point them in the right direction to correct any of these deviations that you see which is now Prime and prime pro because prime pro goes even deeper with every single joint So the and then this also made sales way easier for me So once I once I had this this tool in my tool belt I became a much better trainer at helping my clients and then it actually became even easier to sell clients Because I now had the the knowledge to be able to break somebody down just by seeing them squad or do an overhead press And and then be able to tell them oh my god This is what's going on with you and and you've said this before I think Sal in the show like a Client like thinks you're a magician when you can have them just do a body weight squat and then go Oh, did you have an injury to your left knee and they go? Oh my god I had surgery on that like 20 years ago. How did you know that? Well what I know is that have neck pain How I know is that your body has been Overcompensating on the opposite side because it moved away from the pain for so many years Which has caused this imbalance in your body And I'm sure you have low chronic pain here and here and you can start pointing all this stuff out And you look like a genius and not only that but then I could go take them on the floor And which by the way is in prime and prime pro the movements to address these issues and show them like relief Instantly media. Yeah immediately that you can get them to move better by showing life changing for something Yeah, and so and I'm sure this question is mostly directed at me because I know I passionately say you are Stupid if you are a trainer and you don't own these two programs It is that it is literally all of our certifications that we've accumulated over all of our years plus our experience Wrapped into how would I assess a client on day one? What tools would I need to set a program up to address any and everybody that will come my way? Those are those two programs. There's two And there's two main ways that you like you could pick an exercise for your body, right? One way is the easy. I don't want to say easy, but the more common way, which is What part of my body do I want to do my working on? Yeah? What do I want to how do I want to look right the other way is what's the best exercise? It's gonna help me move better Okay, and they're both they're both valuable, but the move better I'll argue is even more valuable because without moving better over time you start to lose the aesthetics As well you start to look worse because you're not moving well because you can't activate muscles best So I'll give you a silly example If someone has really bad forward shoulder like really bad forward shoulder and it's time to do a back exercise I can choose a pull-down or I can choose a cable row, right? The cable row is gonna be far more appropriate for a person really bad forward shoulder than a pull-down because a pull-down Might actually make the forward shoulder worse which then can cause shoulder pain neck pain and lots of other issues By the way, you can go we we went through some of the most important parts of these programs and Teach you and walk you through and you can follow along do them yourself so you can experience for yourself for free so you can go to Maps prime webinar comm and you can go to prime pro webinar comm. They're totally free Justin is in one Teaching you how to do the assessment and the movements associated with each assessment and Adam is in the other one showing you some of his favorite correctional exercise movements and you follow along do them and They're free and they're extremely valuable. So I recommend everybody go check those out Yeah, one more point just for the personal trainer and to add value is a lot of times Like we don't have control of what a lot of our clients do outside of the gym And I think that this addresses a lot of things that they can work on, you know Besides what you're working on in terms of like muscular development and all these other like specific goals They have with that time frame that they have with you in the gym So now we can build established rituals that will alleviate pain will present them in better posture and we'll get them You know to to move better and everything else while they come back and visit you So that way, you know, they can really have an effective use of time This this is literally for everybody and there's this Misunderstanding that the correctional work or correctional exercises for old people or injuries or only people have problems But a good trainer will be able to know so the most common two primary goals build muscle or burn body You do that do you know is better with if you have that's right And you and you can you can program both you can build a routine that is going to build muscle and or help you And I'll argue if you don't include the individualized correctional stuff. You'll build less muscle. That's right You won't do it as fast. That's why that's why this the learning this was so pivotal I think for my career as a trainer both like helping my clients and then also Being able to sell and be able to get more clients like which is obviously important for trainers. It's a major selling point Yeah, so yeah, if you if you still don't have this and you're a trainer like It'll be one of the single most important investments that you'll ever make as far as helping you with your your training Next question is from claymation 14. What are the benefits of doing front squats versus back squats? Very different feel in the exercise a back squat. You're gonna get more forward lean You're gonna get more of the posterior chain some more glutes Maybe more hamstring you can probably squat more with a back squat most people can a front squat It's gonna make you more upright. You're gonna get more knee flexion extension more quads Work and you can feel it you'll feel one more in the quads one more in the glutes They're both pretty quad intensive But that's the bigger the bigger difference and then core activation is very different in both exercise The core is very active in both movement. I feel more low back in the back squat and more core in the front squat and I think they're both Exceptional exercises. I know a lot of people do back squats don't do front squats. I think that's a big mistake They're different exercises. Yeah, I mean it's that simple. It's like they're not it's not either or right You know, which one's better so much that it's like and I know this is an extreme example But it's like saying squats and bench press why squats why bench press it's like well both they they both have Tremendous value in your routine. You're also front squats require more shoulder mobility just to be able to do them too So they're they're different movements. They both add tremendous value Programming it you can program front squats and back squats in the same routine in the same in the same cycle I've done times where I'm really focused on the back squat and like my whole Cycle, you know, or phase is all back squat and then the next cycle is all front squat and I try to prove it So there's not like you you have to do it a certain way But they're they're both such valuable movements and exercises Programming like you have to have it. I think in a routine how you put it in there is up to you Yeah, I think the back squat gets a lot more glory Mainly because the emphasis of trying to activate your posterior chain because we just don't Naturally focus on the posterior chain throughout our daily movement and habits throughout the day So it's very important to you know strengthen your posterior chain. However, you know, the front squat is very translatable to any kind of functional Feet that you're gonna face throughout the day picking objects up in front of you and having that load and being strong in that is very Important, so it's a great exercise. I also found it as a good tool to teach proper squatting mechanics I found that Getting a client to do a front squat or a goblet squat Ford lean that's what I mean. So because everybody with a broomstick I'd have them put right so ever most people have a tendency to Fall forward when they do a back squat and then you have it loaded on your back So it promotes that even more and if you don't have good mechanics You don't understand the exercise very well It's it can be a challenge for a trainer to get a client to mimic that an easy kind of hack for a trainer to get a client Into better squat form is to teach the front squat or a goblet squat first so they kind of get that chest high upright good posture and You know breaking at the knees and the hips at the same time They'll learn that I think easier most clients easier on a front squat first With lightweight and then progress them to a back squat So that's a small little trainer hack for the trainers that are listening I a lot of times I will teach like how we talk about I teach now All right, you know later on in my career started to learn that teaching a inclined bench press was actually easier to get Clients in the better form because it promotes just better posture for benching and the incline that it does the flat bench I feel the same way about a front squat a front squat teaches better Mechanics to a newbie to get them ready for I always thought would start clients with front squats before we do back squats Next question is from Wesley 762 what is the difference between doing a lift and actually practicing? Yeah, so this this probably means what's the difference between like I guess working out with a lift and practicing a lift That one okay working out with a lift is the goal is typically fatigue intensity. I'm training my legs I'm training my back. I'm training my shoulders Practicing a lift is all about Viewing it as a skill like I'm trying to get better at this particular movement And so that typically looks like less intensity lighter weight very slow emphasis on form and technique and Frequency practicing something if you want to practice you want to get good at something to practice it You're better off practicing it daily right rather than infrequently if you go super hard You can't practice daily. So there's some differences between the two now I found and this was something I figured out a While ago when it came to you know my my clients my everyday average people clients I would train them Well, you know twice a week with me and then they would do stuff on their own Now I couldn't monitor them on their own and I noticed that when I'd give them exercises They'd often Sometimes they come back and they'd be a little tweaked or hurt And it was because I wasn't there to monitor them and I realized was because they were working out without me So I said, you know what let's do this instead. I would you know John Why don't you instead of doing this workout with these four exercises? I want you to go to the gym and practice them just get really good at them So go to the gym and just practice the skill of the exercises and then I'll see you again on Thursday and lo and behold People started to train properly on their own. They worked out better. They got better results. They got stronger They didn't hurt themselves and overdo it and it was because they weren't so focused on how Pumped and sore they could get but rather, you know the perfection of the technique and the skill So that's that's what practicing a lifterly. I think a lot of times like momentum really sort of takes you outside of all the little nuances of things that are going on in terms of you know, where I'm losing tension in my muscles where You know my limbs whether my knees are traveling outward whether, you know, I'm in good posture like You do really do have to pay attention to a lot of things initially Until you're really good at it and you're really proficient in in those those movement patterns and that takes a lot of practice To be able to to program that into your subconscious where you could just naturally feel Those things get away from you and you can adjust on the fly And so to be able to and then when I said slow That's really just to slow down to be able to pay attention and and really hyper focus in on What your joints are doing what your body is providing feedback wise And then start to kind of you know, gradually move through it with with smooth cadence and good mechanics And then if it's you know, you can work your way through even power type movements where you're using a lot of speed and acceleration But it all takes that that hyper focus and that's what the practice is all about an example of what the The mindset would look like going into a workout for me if I'm going to go in to lift versus going into practice Let's use squats as an example. So a basic basic programming. There's exceptions to rule But let's just say typical Programming for squats is going to be three four or five sets And you're going to be working in the rep range of one to 20 somewhere that that would be and I'm working on And I'm going to move a load That's going to be challenging relatively difficult for me regardless of wherever if that's going into workout to lift Now let's say I did that on monday and I'm I want to practice my squats get better So I'm coming back in again on wednesday. I'm still maybe even a little sore from that My my practice might look like 10 sets At really really light maybe 100 pounds or 135 pounds I'm moving and I'm going to do higher reps and I'm just going to or I'm going to or maybe I'm Going to do five reps, but I'm going to slow it way down And and feel my feet and pay attention to my knees at the bottom and work with a load That is so easy that I can slow the reps way down or pause in them or or do 10 sets and not do a lot of damage So that's a practicing mindset for the same exercise versus going into it like I'm lifting or or trying to Most people we better off practicing more off more often than not and training a little less often that would be best for It's like you're you're you're you have a mountain bike. You want to race Your mountain bike in a competition You don't go and you don't have any experience So you should just go practice a lot rather than going and racing because you'll hurt yourself. You're not going to be as fast And the more you practice The better you're going to compete right the more natural it's going to be. This is true for practicing The skill of resistance training too the more you practice the better the workouts are going to be right? So that's why this should never end But for most people if if 70 to 80 percent of time you were in the gym You just practiced your lifts and 20 percent of time you actually train You'd get better results over the over the long term than someone who did the reverse I love that message because I think it's so opposite of what we hear in our space In our space, it's so if it's not intensive That's right. We we we push the the intense message so much and I think that's why we came out with that Countering that it's not that it intensity has a major factor with with building muscle and it has tremendous value But I also think that it's abused I think that messaging that if you didn't have an intense workout Then it wasn't a great workout or you didn't get much bang for your buck out of it It's so not true. In fact, I agree with you So I think that if you spent 80 percent of your time just practicing and only 20 percent of time training intensely I'm willing to bet you're going to get better results from the person who is training 80 percent intensely and only practicing 20 percent of the time Next question is from sally samad 100 Can you drink protein shakes and creatine together after training or should they be taken at different times of the day? No, don't ever combine the two Good exploding universe will implode your muscles actually go inside your across streams actually a great combination. So I've always found it interesting not a lot of protein powders just include that They used to they used to really yeah, phosphagane, which was eas's protein shake included creatine I think it's because creatine is now So common that people probably already supplemented with it. So they won't if they want protein They want protein right or I bet because you put the creatine in there You would have to boost the price of the protein powder and then people would probably just not buy it because they look at that Now now creatine is relatively well absorbed by most people but there are things you can do To increase its absorption and its effectiveness and one of them is to spike insulin And there's a few different ways you could spike insulin One is easy with like dextrose or sugar Protein powders actually do this so whey protein in particular Because of its quick absorption rate, you'll see a spike in insulin And so that probably is going to increase the absorption Um of creatine creatine is great to take before Or after your workout too. You want to around the workout that's going to increase its absorption and effectiveness and then there's other ways you can increase the absorption of creatine you can add sodium so sodium helps the body Uptake creatine so I like to do I like to throw it in my Element tea when I add it with water because that's got some some sodium in there And then alphalopolic acid is a compound that you can take that'll help Increase its absorption Does this make a huge difference? No not a huge difference But if you're like a real like fitness fanatic and you're real consistent and you really want to maximize everything you do Then I think it's you know with your post workout shake if you have protein Throw five grams of creatine in there and take it and you'll increase its absorption Over just taking it at any other times of the day Look if you like our information head over to mind pump free.com and check out all of our guides We have guides that can help you with almost any fitness or health goal You can also find us on social media. So justin and adam are both on instagram. So justin is at mind pump justin Adam is at mind pump adam and you can find me on twitter I got kicked off instagram because my content is so fire But you can find me on twitter now at mind pump cell