 Alright, so thank you Eric and Pam for bringing up this topic we've been talking about. I wish we had recorded more of it, but at least I'll summarize it and please either of you can chime in. Is that there seems to be something in the air or the stars are aligning speaking of astrology, where some of us are finding this, this movement towards integrating more of our work. And maybe, maybe we're a little bit concerned whether a new integration of our work is going to confuse our audience. But we still have this calling to do with this yearning to do it and, you know, and my basic, my basic suggestion is, if you have a concern that it might confuse your audience, then the content that you need to put out there with this new work or this new branch of your work that you're integrating now is to talk about why you are integrating this new method, why so so Eric brought up the example that, of course Eric is known as a meditation teacher, spiritual teacher hasn't publicly talked a lot about astrology or maybe a little bit. And now he's really having a good time wanting to integrate more of a deeper astrology into him. Eric, please tell us, tell us more about that. Okay. Well, I think a lot of it comes from the reticence to bring it in the public sector comes partially from the way that I have had a 30 year career in a corporate space to where that was the two times I brought it up to clients, I love those clients went away. And actually one of them, I became a very public sort of controversy in the in the city that I was consulting to. So, I sort of retracted and just used it for the inner circle. But the now that I'm fully engaged in teaching as spiritually in an open way, it seems disingenuous and out of integrity actually, Yes, reveal the entire narrative and the underline, you know, yeah, because it's they go together, the meditation and the understanding of the archetypal energies, they go together. Yeah, and, right. And so that's exactly what you're going to, I hope you will put out there. But as an educational piece, you know, could be Instagram post Facebook post YouTube videos and it's probably not just going to be one, it's going to be over time you bring in this, you know, not once again but like, let me talk today about why and how I'm integrating astrology into the framework or maybe, or different aspects of it. And also I always I always like content also that is making distinction between what you're doing and what the mainstream understanding or shallower understanding is. And this is especially relevant for astrology, because astrology, you know, is in the tabloids or whatever maybe it's like it's like it's like today's horoscope is, you know, blah blah blah you will find love or whatever. But, you know, it's your yeah so so make making content making that distinction is going to be helpful as well. That's what I noticed George actually as I've been turning into my own sense of doing this is that yes, because I've heard from you and others you know how to this idea of being provocative or controversial or Yes, distinguishing. Yes. And that hasn't sort of I haven't really found a way to do that in the meditation conversation. Right. Not, but in the astrology conversation, I'm like, on a soapbox, you know, yeah, in my mind. But now I see there's a real value in stepping out on that soapbox because I it's just quite a different approach. Yeah, exactly. And the distinguishing type of content like hey there's the mainstream or shallow view of something and here's how I think of it is helpful both for the mainstream, or for people who who who kind of like your energy but have only known astrology from from the perspective of the shallow, the shallow you know, and it's also helpful for people who understand on a deeper level going. Heck yes, somebody is finally saying this or somebody so clearly saying this. So it's helpful for both. Now, Pam, do you want to talk about your sort of integration and what you're. Oh, and I go ahead and unmute yes. Great. I accidentally sent my healing newsletter they both go out on Wednesdays to my to the animal healing stuff and my writing stuff. I accidentally sent the healing on to the writers. I realized it in the morning when I got didn't get a notification for the writing one going through like what the hell that I do. Oh, crime any. So I apologize and sent it. And, you know, a couple people signed up for the healing ones that I didn't know you do that, then signed up for a class, and vice versa started some of the healing people signed up for the writing classes which have nothing to do with animals, but they may soon. They're like, Well, that's interesting. So then I just started talking about because I want I've been wanting to not merge them that's not see I don't really know what I mean yet. But what I know is that the, that the, that the, how they integrate is that they're both about listening. That's going to sound so cheesy. There is a deep listening I do animal communication. I'm an animal communicator. A lot of people roll their eyes at that. That's okay. I don't care. And the other side is the writing. People on the writing. Yeah. So, but what I'm teaching them to do and writing is listen, not to me. Listen. I mean, you have to learn the craft. I mean, you have to learn basic crack. You just, you know, you need a container, right? You can just around with nothing. But then, like when you have a draft, what I do is a developmental editor, and why I'm good at it is because I know how to listen to the piece. Yeah, I don't care what the author's yammering in my head. No, you'd be quiet. Let me read your manuscript. Yes, and I can see what the manuscript is trying to say. I teach, that's what I teach people at higher levels is how to listen to the work, which is you, but just listen to the work stop dragging it around by the plot, or but you see, stop manhandling it. And just quite so there. So I'm also a reiki master so that's I don't talk about that so much, but it's because people really roll their eyes, but it's there. It's in my teaching of the writing is just quiet. I don't know what you think you want to do but what is your character want to do. Yeah, I teach people. So it's the same. Yeah, I listen to the animals it's the same thing it's not you got to be able to learn I teach classes, learn how to shut off your own. And that's that's the, that's the art is shut off your own head, and because you listen from here. And so, so, yeah, it's right like you are you're integrating a deep. You could say it's a skill or way of being from this other work into what people don't usually integrate into the writing or, or, you know, less spiritual work so called. And, and it's interesting you said people roll their eyes. But the interesting thing is, I think your truest fans your true fans for your writing probably won't roll their eyes. At the rate or animal communication and but I, and thankfully we can define what our true fans are. You could define, you know, pan you could define my true fans are people who are open who yes want to work on their writing but they're open also, if not passionately into both the animal communication stuff and the Ricky stuff but yeah, so thank you for sharing that. It's similar to my own story of integration, which is that when I had my spiritual kind of shift 2012 2013 area, and I like broke down my business and built it back up in 2014. I decided to start integrating more spiritual talk. And not surprisingly, my, my true fans really came forward and go wow, this is really good stuff that I don't see elsewhere. And that's what happens when we integrate. We become deeply unique. Yes, of course, I have some people rolling their eyes I actually literally do remember, at least one of my own book editors, you know, somebody who was a was a was a fan. Follow me and volunteer to book at it said no I don't like this idea about ministry and about, you know, this thing. You know, we don't have to cater to all of our fans. But if we are willing to practice a little bit of courage and say, my true fans will understand this. And we're always testing right so hey let me let me try saying in this way, because sometimes your true fans need you to say, say it but in a different way. I don't need to integrate, but you just have to test out integrating in different ways to see what works. So anyway, thank you for sharing those examples and thank you also to Lisa and Zusa here for adding to the conversation and just want to encourage everyone to be open to integrating all of you into your work. Because it really struck me this piece about saying it in a different way. For me, I'm integrating working in nature, more than ever. And I used to have this kind of slightly disdainful attitude like a nature, nature of Mary Oliver you know everybody into birds and bees and like, give me a break, because there is like a sentimental streak to it that I don't relate to actually. But when I, well, when I see nature as a manifestation of awareness really that's way more accessible and way less complicated than people, you know, that creates such a context for the work. That is like, and such a resource, I mean, especially during the pandemic I started doing outdoor workshops because there was nothing else to do and they were fabulous and everybody can relate. Like people who say I'm not a mover I don't know how to dance. I say well how about you move like the ocean and they go. Okay, that's good. I think people discover new ways to be and also new ways to feel held, especially through the aloneness of the pandemic. I just think I just created a piece of content. Yes, yes. I love it. Thank you. Yeah, what you said right I mean, whatever we are integrating can be said in different ways, and sometimes it's obvious to us how to stay in a way that connects deeply with our true fans. It's less obvious or we're passionate about saying in one way and it kind of lands flat or people go huh, you know, and so try different ways of saying the thing new thing you're integrating. Yeah. So, thank you. And Lisa I want to give you a chance also to talk about because you have several areas of work to. Yes, Georgia, it came up for me around about 2015 when I learned about strengths. Before that I've been working with EFT for 10 years and EFT is about, Oh, here's a problem let's, you know, get like delete the emotional discharge about that. And then we can kind of move forward we don't always move forward but just the reading ourselves with the emotional charge so there's always a problem that we work with. And suddenly with the strings it was the complete opposite it was like what's already right with you. What, what's beautiful about you what we's please don't change that about yourself. So it was like a huge miss in my mind for about a year is like what do I do with these two now because it's almost completely opposite but now. This all of conversation is like I just formulated well both of them can help us to bring peace inside of ourselves, which is my one of my biggest passions in life is how do we get to peace. And if we have peace through EFT we have peace through I can accept myself just the way I am. We come to this place of peace so thank you for this conversation and just told me to explain. It's, for me it makes your framework more comprehensive and whole. It's kind of like that. It's kind of like two sides and it's like both and allows you to find the equanimity in the center. And so it's like the, yeah, so it's, thank you for anything that you said earlier also was it makes you more unique because I know no other EFT practitioner who also brings in strings work. And I don't know the other way around but it's, it's literally makes it completely unique. Thank you so much. Thank you.