 This video is brought to you in part by TrueTech Tools quality tools essential support What is going on guys? We have us a dinner act So this is one of the beauties that I first started with back in the day You know, I love to complain about them We've done a video on this one where the battery took a dump. Looks like that happened last year at this time Yep 1027 of last year So I get here and she thought she may have done something wrong, but we had a LED light for over crank which means it didn't start and We're gonna find out whether we got a bad battery or what so we got our meter here ready to go. We put it in manual Here the click so we're here in a contactor click, which is this device right there But it's not starting so we may we've already replaced the starter once and I'm wondering did we lose that again? Or do we have a bad battery? So let's get this turd opened up and see what kind of poop we have inside We've got the battery terminals exposed got the covers off and we're looking at our voltage right now The infamous battery charger that overcharges the battery is at 14.11 So we have charge going into the battery now Question is when we hit the button to make it go into start mode Is that voltage going to drop down to nothing? Which means it's purely giving you voltage from the battery charger and no real capacity from the battery. Let's find out Ready here we go. All right, so The battery is holding But we aren't getting anything done Now I'm gonna grab my amp meter that can do DC amperage and let's see what kind of amperage We're pulling on that starter. We've got our amp meter on there We are locked in to DC voltage. You can see that we've got a charge rate of about 0.7 amps or at least that's what the drawl is on the Battery right now my fluke meters and my other bag and I took it out of my truck This one works just fine. So let's kick it on five amps That don't sound good. Does it so this starter here has already taken a crap and Don't smell so good does it? Look at that Look at that paint right there Is that because a heat build-up possibly I Don't know Let's see what our voltage is at the contactor. So we've got the Starter coming down what lead coming from there up to the contactor Here's where 12 volts should be at all the time and when it closes this should be 12 volts here Let's see if we got 12 volts on that side of it. So carefully doing this with one hand going to ground and Going to that nut. We've got 14.1 there going to that same nut and do that spot right there Let's see what happens when we hit the juicy go button Okay, we have 13 volts there All right, so we have 12 or 13 volts Going to the starter, but nothing's happening. We're not pulling any real power. So we're only pulling five amps So inside there is brushes. I guarantee you either the brushes are not making good contact to the rotor or The wine is a completely burned up and they're just there ain't much happening. So As much as I don't want to let's go ahead and yank this thing apart and see what's going on internally and see if we make it run or if we're gonna have to order another starter because this one I was part of one of those kits we bought where we stock all the parts and then obviously it's been setting there forever and Just going to waste and now that these aren't no longer made This particular model. I don't think it fits any of the current ones It's basically worthless stock on the truck just waiting for something to go wrong and now that we've had it that long It's out of warranty most likely. So yeah, you just get spend thousands of dollars to keep a guy certified And if you aren't doing these every day, I don't think it's worth it Let's go ahead and get that motor yanked out of there starter motor Right disconnect the battery and then we got a yank. I think this would be probably a good idea to yank Maybe and then we'll yank this to Exheaded bolts there look I got a baby one. That's not not a pair of channel locks. All right So we're just gonna hook our negative here that way we don't blow anything up Like I said, this battery is fairly new I really don't like the amp probe meters if you're wondering This is a hell of a meter for a lot and gives you a lot for your money But it turns on the light and runs down the battery. I don't really like it though acdc 52 nav It's a good meter very accurate, but the battery life sucks I think that was the thing I hated the worst about it and it was a little fluky even though fluky owns it so We're gonna go ahead and take off our springy dings here Put them up there so they don't lose them And do this one here Usually I need some wire needle noses Like that. We got in there and it's metric So we're gonna get our metric wrench out here There we go Yes, I know It's a joke. Oh lost the bolt. That's it. Gotta sell my new one All right. What do we got this down here? Come on Let's take the shortest wire off doing it I found it There we go. Now we can get to the top of that We yank that thing out of there It uh Well, I can tell you right now what it is now that I can see I think that shaft deal there is Not retracting Or am I just crazy maybe not I thought that thing Yeah, you can smell something Got a cobalt set here With a ball and socket makes it a little easier To get in there get this thing out here in a jiffy And see if we can find out what exactly burned up on this You got them loosened up and you gotta watch it because there's some plates there underneath that will go flying And I noticed when I did it the I forget what it's called Anyhow, it was engaged like that and stuck as soon as I pulled it out it retracted Let that other one fall might as well. Now. This is why you definitely want to have your Battery unhooked as you can see my back into my starter It's touching Things that would short out I'm pretty sure I did exactly The way they had it before Because if not that could cause that issue, which you know 9 8 10 8 so two months two months and uh In a week A little rusty If we'd make that turn much Yeah, it turns with a finger so we're not stuck there So when this goes one direction it kicks out Goes the other comes back so we might be all right What we're gonna do Let's unscrew this thing from the end here and take a peek at the end of it and see if we can pull it out of there And see what's going on so we've got our Meter here on omage and we're going to go From here, which is there Go to ground on the starter And we are at 0.3 ohms So we do have something, you know making internally I might do it. Yeah Works out nice. It's not really Five sixteenths probably eight millimeters or something like that, but it's good and pop this part We're out much nothing right now Yeah, that's got stinky smell to it. That's not good. I don't think that's just a rust inhibitor of some sort Yeah Pretty crispy on the ends there. You can kind of see that paint. I don't think that's how the paint was It might have been but it sure looks like heat marks on paint See if we can get this thing apart Yeah, it'll come apart fairly easy apparently some sort of kind of I think I don't remember Honestly, just trash it and say enough enough Time for another She's toast Toast toasty critter You can see down in there those winings are crispy She is crispy Yep, let's go ahead and just take this apart get it outside of the unit That's since wasting any more time with it. I don't need to order a new one For whatever reason, you know, it's warm this weekend Now it feels colder You know what See if we can That magnet on the end is so crazy. Oh my yep Look at that M R sweet chocolate chip cookies there. See that melted that puppy right down Molded that right there into place. Come on focus you piece of junk All right, there we go. Molded that right down Molded it all the way so four pole rotor Or four pole. Yeah four pole brush system And then inside here You can see the magnet this this thing is This thing's bad. There we go. Um, see this right here That right there is the plastic from the Rotor look at that right there. See that wires broke I wonder if that was the start of the problem right there where their wires broke And then it couldn't complete the path Yeah, look how bad it is up in here I completely crisped it up. Fantastic Probably didn't do this contact her a whole lot of good, but anyhow, that's unfortunate They make their own supposedly did not write their place of manufacturer Well guys, I don't know how long it's going to take to get back here So I may just go ahead and end the video here But as you can see basic trial elimination, we just went through With the meters didn't have to have the amp meter. It just was kind of giving me some insight of what's going on Just your basic DC meter and making sure that you've got power going to the starter If they don't kick over then see if it's seized up then give it a sniff Use the old sniffer And see if she's a toasty critter Other than that, I think that's about it guys. So just reverse the motor the start motor there starter And put her back to operation Give her a little checkeroo on that which looks like We're good no Problems with the oil present ran. I mean Chances are but this thing's probably ran maybe an hour or two at the most But because they didn't put an hour meter on back then they You never did have a clue how much time you actually got out of it All right, so we're back Got the new starter here and Get her installed Looks pretty much the same as the other one did that I can tell Looks like the same Everything so making sure we got the right thing here This is the 410 motor It says one spacers all you really need This is identical to the ones I just installed So I'm not gonna bother opening them up. So I did everything the way it was supposed to be done. It's just faulty This one here Comes out when you do it clockwise from shaft end Feels right Looks like typical chinese writing on it. I should say font font is what I'm talking about writing Got her ready to go See if I can get it in there without losing her position She goes right down there But first let's go ahead and get our starter wire on here Get that tightened up I don't have my mounting bracket here with me. So It's tight got it there Gotta put the shim back on because it fell off That will get her back in there. So we got it started there Adder is still disconnected otherwise it might get a short and Snugging her up Got her Idol spring here bracket. We got to get back in We'll have to recheck the frequency while While it's running just like before got that tightened up Pretty sure this is where they went If not, we'll know when we go to run it Usually can see a spot there Where it's been kind of etched in from the vibration There you go Yeah Have to see where it is That seems fairly tight Look up our battery here Okay Tighten that up They already gave it a quick test by accident just actually put an auto mode to see if my Uh exercise timer hadn't been lost it hasn't because it's been powered by the power from the house the battery charger inside I did unhook the battery just in case Didn't want any possible shorts things like that And the battery should be fine Because it wasn't being drawled on If you ever have a time where you don't have a battery charger running and you do not want to power the generator With power in standby because it will just kill the battery So we've got these all hooked up. I Pretty sure that's about where they were at. We're gonna go ahead and check and see what we got Let's go ahead and see if it engages It disengages you can see right there It comes out and in So it seems like that's working Okay, good sure it fuels on Looks like it is she's on propane See where the propane tank level is at One of these kind of tanks is not going to last super long Looks like it's right there at about 80 Fuel is on Just double checked my oil Good on that Let's go ahead and see if we can make a run I need to look at my chart how she's been forever Now I did just check my Position of my sensor here. I want to add me. Sure. It was obviously all the way to her clockwise She is at that position and retightened it Everything is correct. We'll go ahead and get the primary spring set up at 61.5 Then we'll hook up the secondary spring We got our probes hooked up there Meters ready to go Let's go ahead and see where we're at here The tank is here Really upset me on that freaking thing falls down like that I actually put a new case on this thing because I wanted it to look like new again Let's do it again here. The lady's not home. So we'll go ahead and put it in auto mode Let's go ahead and Pull our Little voltage wires here. This is your battery charge circuit It's also your transfer circuit. So when we undo this it's going to start up And then once I plug it back together It's going to transfer because the power then has been transferred To power wires for sensing. So you have like 250 volts 240 volts on one the other two your dc Which powers your transfer switch? So when we undo it, it's going to trigger make it run like that I'm going to start up. It should be blinking. Good start Okay Put her under the load. We'll plug it together It's going to run a minimum of a minute. There we go. It should have transferred It's not pulling much price and clocks or something running. So 0.7 It's running something All right, so I just started cycling a few more times and the dang thing did not want to let go It's stuck So I kicked it on and it literally Yeah wants to short it out So it's probably what's going on that flywheel is jacked up and it's holding on to that Plastic tooth So we're gonna have to take this thing apart. We're gonna take the battery back off again We've got the battery off. Let's see if we can get this thing undone So obviously the Shim's either many more or less. I'm not sure you look in there and you can kind of see You can't see it but the gearing and stuff looks like there's actually more gap in there and what we need. Okay, we've got it out. You can see Teeth just look like they're not getting as far down as they need which makes me think it's the shim is too high And I thought that I seen these without a shim So we're going to go ahead and take that one out of there and see how it reacts Once we get that out of there, you should see it retract. Like I said It does retract fine. We caught it, you know before it caused any damage smooth, it's fine Nothing's been damaged yet Yeah, right there. Look at it. It's hanging up on something You see that hung up there once Yeah Fricking junk Yeah, pretty junk. What do you do? We've got it back in there. Let's see how it runs. I'm not gonna worry about frequency until I see this thing start several times You kind of see it right there a few more times here and see what it's doing. I think it's disengaging right away You know, I mean tolerances might have changed over the years. I don't know. It's not that much of a difference It's not super super crazy thick, but I don't know I'm not gonna smooth this thing. We've already checked these bellows and all that and air filters I went through that on the other video that I did. Uh, it wasn't that long ago. It was like six, seven months ago Still hanging in there at 61.5 with this one spring 62.5 no amperage on the amp meter Which means it transferred back Make sure that one more time because it did not want to shut down Sometimes when these lose their power You have a tendency to get their brain scrambled Uh, I had a few viewers show me or telling me that so We'll uh put her back into Auto we'll try it again. See how she does Got her unplugged It is actually So there's our frequency see the drops down a little bit when it transfers over which won't transfer So we switch it back and there goes that high dollar lid again 10 seconds has passed it should transfer it over Okay, it did transfer over we got seven tenths of an amp there Frequencies holding right in there at 62 and it's dropping a little bit which is great Voltage 245 not too bad As the load increases it'll slow down the motor and it'll be right at 60 hertz. That's the theory behind it It's not a very big motor. So All it must have transferred back It already dropped out so good We had seven tenths now we have none so good now it should shut off. Hopefully All right, it just shut down. So it is working as it should right now I'm more satisfied with it than what I was earlier. So other than Cover and stuff rusting away. Which looks awesome Wow, oh wow, look at that completely through the cover nice That's why they went to aluminum body Yeah, I wouldn't put no more money in this thing at all All right. Well, it's working See if we'll start one more time Now the start is hot or warm. So, you know, it could be completely different once it's cold But I can't sit here and wait for it to cool back down. I've got things to do so We'll just hope it works and we'll go from there. I'll put a date on it and call it a day Hope you guys enjoyed the video. That's the second part of it. So if you did hit the thumbs button Until next time guys, we'll catch you on the next one later