 Men's ego, legacy, whatever is a, and I think the abundance of sperm versus the scarcity of eggs is a testament to that. So again, I'm not saying it's right. I'm just saying, if we're starting this conversation from an understanding of the unique differences in our biology and our code. I want to keep it real with you. I want to live better, eat better. I want to love better, sleep better. Yeah, I want to feel so aligned. Women be sad some, they be sad some off the wall. Some of them say some crazy stuff, but even if I felt that way, I don't know that I would see that on a camera. I'm also a good excavator of truth. So you think that's on you. Is it like, is it just these women in particular, or do you think it's you that is bringing this out of them? I want to be humble. I do. You can be honest, Al. You don't have to be humble. It could be both. Or it could be you. I was watching something today. It was a clip of, I think it was a civil rights activist, but he was talking about the irony of black people adopting individualism. And this idea that we're all unique and we're all different and we're all special. And he was talking about how, if that was the case, why do millions and millions of black people buy copes? Millions and millions of black people buy Nikes. At the time, they didn't have Yeezys or whatever, so he couldn't bring that up. But basically, he was making the argument that we're a lot more similar than we realize. We're a lot more of a monolith than we like to let on. We're just monolithic in unproductive, even counterproductive ways. And similarly, the women that I've had the pleasure of interviewing are literally a reflection of what's in the world. They're not extremes. They're not only fangirls or IG models or extrippers. They're not these extremes. They're just regular everyday people. So to answer your question, I think it has a lot to do with, and I say this humbly, with my ability to get the truth and interrogate the inconsistencies to then get to the truth. But there's no woman that I've interviewed so far that I would say deviates so far from my own, not one. Even the ones that you might assume do, she's not that different, bro. That's interesting then, because that to me implies that at least the perception of the majority of women is different than what I perceive the majority of women to be. Absolutely. Because you're looking at them through a different lens. Like one of the common rebuttals that I get sometimes, and you've used this on a number of occasions, my friends aren't like that. Yeah. I don't know anybody like that. Where do you find these women? Now, even that response is unique. It's uninteresting because I've heard it a lot. A lot of men have heard it. But what that tells me is that we are looking at different metrics of evaluation. So similarly, like you interrogate any female friend group, they're going to tell you that every girl in my group or most girls in my groups would be great partners. And I don't understand why Shirley doesn't have a man or Bertha doesn't have a man. Well, that's because you're evaluating her like you would evaluate a man. So she would be a great man. But again, in a world where men have a different curriculum in our expectations of women, you cannot see through the lens of a male's curriculum why she's not a good woman to a man, because she would be such a good man if she was a man. So in your head, are women in two categories like, oh, okay, I don't want to project that onto you. What categories do you put women in? Because obviously not all women are the same. Sure. In my head, I have an idea of two categories that I would think men separate women out into. But what categories do you think men categorize women into? How do you guys sort them? How do we sort them? I wish I had a clean answer, but I don't. I don't have like a Kevin Samuels. Well, you got the one and the big, but I don't have that big. Maybe one day I'm gonna sit down and really. That'd be a good one. It really has to shit out. It's a good framework to go by. I would say if I had to say two categories, it'd be one that you play with versus one that you take serious. Okay, because I was gonna say like wives and then. Yeah, yeah, okay. Yeah, so if I was to be just completely simple, I would put it into those two categories. However, those lines could be blurry at times, especially for young men. Because number one, they might not be ready to be husbands. They might not have the insider experience to be able to differentiate the two. And women are, what is not unique about women is that women are really good at playing each of those parts, regardless of the, depending on the occasion. So you can never tell. Because she could be a plaything for man number one and be a wife of man number two. I think that's a good point. I think the same applies to men because I saw something, and I thought about this before on my own as well, that a man, even if you dated the same man as Crystal over here, you and Crystal may have gotten two completely different men. Because based on how he sees you and when you got him in his life, your experience may be completely different with that same man. In as much as I do think men have range, women's range dwarfs' men's. I would say that, and I think just based on women's nature. There are a lot more dimensions, and even the possibility of additional dimensions with women, just based on your nature that I don't know, I'm not going to say men don't have, but I don't know if we have or we appreciate. Because not only do you have dimensions and range of dimensions, you also have an appreciation, which even creates more dimensions. The difference between the girl, guy A got and guy B got, I think is completely different. It could be literally two different women, then the difference between woman A got versus woman B got. Men tend to not be that. We might pit it a little bit, you might turn a little bit, but women can literally become a different person. Even literally, like Nick has been going to the same barber for years. Women change their hair every two days. Even the viral thing you see on Instagram sometimes, he wants to see multiple women. You see the woman change her wig and her hair, but literally become multiple women. There's an appreciation and a celebration of women's ability to do that. That's why it's so weird to me that in all other areas, men seem to value consistency except when it comes to women. Because again, that's crazy. And this is why I have to start every single conversation, every single argument with biology. Because I think going back to the whole nature versus nurture thing, I think the modern world has convinced us that nurture dwarfs nature. I have an argument about that. But nature is fucking powerful. And again, like I said, the biological incentive for men is not monogamy. Not saying that there's something wrong with monogamy. Not saying that monogamy is not the right way to go. But biologically, our programming or our source code is not one woman. That just feels like, I'm going to be honest, it feels like an excuse. I'm saying that. And the reason why is because humans in general are hardwired towards pleasure just across the board. So the same way how I can say, I can do that with anything that would provide me pleasure. But the drive isn't a pleasure drive. What is it? It's a drive to spread our seed at the core. Now, the pleasure I think is a veneer. It's the vehicle. But at the core, it's the, like if it was the father Abraham had many sons, the Attila the Hun, everybody has like a little bit of his DNA, like men's ego legacy, whatever is a, and I think the abundance of sperm versus the scarcity of eggs is a testament to that. So again, I'm not saying it's right. I'm just saying, if we're starting this conversation from an understanding of the unique differences in our biology and our code, not to excuse our behavior. Because men are using that as an excuse. I don't think it's an excuse. I don't think it's an excuse. I hear that it's like, well, biologically, this is the way that we are. So I agree. No, it does diminish the impact or the influence of self control. No, it's just like even, you know, as much as a woman's menstrual cycle explains her moodiness and her fluctuation and temperament in the whole nine. It's not an excuse. Right. That's what I'm saying. It's like, but if I understand that that's where you're starting from, you're on your period, your ovulate, whatever the case may be, I can better empathize with your disposition and with our interaction. Versus if I'm having masculine expectations of you, I'm like, the fuck is wrong with you? So what I'm telling women is similar to how I've never experienced a period, a cramp of fucking ovulation. But I empathize. Okay. And I don't excuse your bad behavior, but I start the conversation differently. Versus if you would do it, I'll probably punch you in the face. Similarly, not to excuse men's bad behavior, men's irresponsibility. I'm not it. I don't think men should be irresponsible with our dicks. But it would help the conversation along if we can start it with understanding that you've never had a period before. You've never had this level of testosterone before. You've never had 15 million on the low end potential people swimming in you at any given moment before. So what would that sympathizing look like ideally from women? It would look like number one, not being so critical of the young dudes who don't want to settle down. Okay. Because again, what's going on in your anatomy at 24 versus what's going on in his at 24, completely different. You have those same expectations and be like, I'm ready to be a wife. Aren't you ready to be a husband? No, it's not the same. Also, for me, it really just boils down to a better appreciation of what, just like I said, because I understand the menstrual cycle and how that could affect you physically and mentally in the whole night, I have more of an appreciation of what it means to just be a woman. Okay. The battles, the demons, what it is to be a woman. I think similarly, just like Warren Farrell says, men keeping that demon of just being out here and throwing your dick around at bay, I think if women have more of an appreciation of that, not to say thank you for not cheating on me, baby. So that sounds like... No, not to say that, but just an acknowledgement that... I understand it's hard. I understand what he's going through. You know what I'm saying? Because it's easier to dismiss, similar to the period. It's easier to dismiss if you've never experienced it. But if you've experienced it, you have more of an appreciation of how good this man actually is. What it means for him to be faithful. Okay. So that brings me, I think, maybe to my last question here. So if men understand, as they love to point out, this biological difference in this drive, should that not dictate or change, maybe, the way that they interact with women? Because what that feels like is a lot of men are choosing to play with fire. If they know that they're biologically conditioned and predisposed to act in this way and spread the seed, but then still wanting to entertain women, even on, like, a friend level and this platonic thing that I have a question about whether or not you believe that that's a thing. But shouldn't men, then, with that in mind, change their behavior so that these women... I don't think most men have it in mind. But they are quick to yell out. We're biologically different. Yeah, men who know. But I don't think most men, I don't think 18-year-olds know. I think they're just horny, and they just want to stick their dick in some. But I don't think they really can understand the etymology of where that comes from or the dissect what's going on. Now, some men are able to understand that and articulate that, and some are even irresponsible with that. Now, I think, as a man, part of success in anything is gaining knowledge. Whether gaining knowledge of self, gaining knowledge of the market, gaining knowledge of the zeitgeist. You know, white folks will say, he has his finger on the pulse. Right. He has the ear to the ground. Yeah. I think it's probably Africans who say that part. But I think as you develop as a man, you learn these things. However, it's still a... I wish life had clean lines. For instance, you'll hear women say, just tell me the truth. If you just want me for sake, just tell me that. Now, you tell us, you'll block you. Right? Which, yeah, it makes sense. You say that like that's a problem. No, no, no, no. I told you to tell me the truth, and now I didn't. No, no, no. I'm not saying that's a problem. I'm saying if I was 18 years old, I'd lob my fucking ass off. But there are women who don't care. If I was 18, 17, 19, I'm not taking that risk, lady. I'm not taking that risk. So similarly, we have to empathize with the young boys too. That feels very manipulative. Absolutely. I want some pussy. That's a problem. I agree. Again, I started this by saying there are no clean lines. I completely agree. However, from the perspective of a 16-year-old boy, of a 17-year-old boy, of an 18-year-old boy who can't even articulate his urges and his drive. Yeah, I'm going to take the path of least resistance. And also, I do want to love you. I do want to- No. No. Let me rephrase that. Let me rephrase that. I want to want to. All right, but you don't. Those two things seem like the same thing. If you don't have the level of self-awareness to make that distinction. But similarly, a lot of women that I listen to say they want to be married. And after having conversation with them, I realize, no, she wants to want to be married. She wants a wedding. She doesn't want 40 years. Now, again, these are grown women who can't make that distinction. Some young men can't make this distinction. Men know that they don't want that girl. I'm talking 17-year-olds. I'm talking 18-year-olds. These people are not- No, no, no, no, no, no. So that makes me feel like we need to instill better morals and values in our young boys. Because if we are saying, okay, he knows that if he tells her the truth that she won't want to do it, then that's a problem. And so then you take the deceptive route to get her to do it. That's not setting him up for a good future. I agree. Or her. I agree. What I'm saying to you though is, number one, we can't have, if we really want to actualize change, we can't have the same self-aware expectations of other people as we have reached. The vast majority of people are not as self-aware, they're self-aware, they're not. That's the truth. And the vast majority of people take the path of belief resistance. So what I'm saying is if we're really going to actualize change, we can't stand on top of this hill and say, come up here. We have to go down and say, okay, let's go up together. So what's the solution? The solution, well, again, I don't think it's as a clean cut. I don't have all the answers yet. But I think we need to start the conversation with understanding why people do the things that they do. Okay. And start talking to them from that place of I get it. As opposed to it's wrong point blank because life is great. I wish black and white was so simple, but the truth is it's great. So even as I'm jokingly explaining to you a 17-year-old boy, 18-year-old boy manipulating a woman, I've been an 18-year-old boy doing that. Have I done that? You know if you did that. I don't think I've done that. You've never manipulated a woman in that life. I'm not going to say I've never manipulated a woman, but I don't think I've manipulated a woman for pussy. Okay. But I understand. What did you manipulate her for then? That's a whole other concept. But I understand why a man would. I understand why a boy would. Because humans want pleasure. Yeah. And humans are selfish. Yeah. And to be real, you could also make the argument. A relationship is both people manipulating the other person for something. There's something a woman is, it's quite pro quo on some level. There's something the woman is getting from it, whether it's the man's status, his money, his time, his affection, his validation. And what he's getting is the pleasure. And it's hard for us to say what he's getting is more or less than what she's getting. But we're both getting something. And I think if it's an equal exchange, no harm, no foul. I agree with that. I don't necessarily like the word manipulation in terms of relationship. I don't like the word manipulation if it's reciprocal. The problem I think is when... Asymmetrical. Yeah. When it's, I'm selling you something that's not true because I want to get this. And so I'm making you think that it's reciprocal, but I know that... Listen, I disagree with it. I'm not a fan of it. However, I've been a 17-year-old. So you understand. I understand it. And similarly, I'm sure you can empathize with, understand a woman who maybe she lacked love as a kid and now she's manipulating some guy to give her affection. Maybe it's not even sexual, but just being taken care of. So again, for men, it's the sex. For women, it's other things, which might seem not as bad, but it could just waste a man's time and money and the whole nine just as much as this woman giving him pussy. So that brings me to my actual last question. Okay. So I know that Kevin Samuels used to talk about this, about how men need to stop giving women non-sexual attention because basically she don't want you and she wastes your time basically. Right. Do you think that, one, so it's like a... This might be a three-part question. One, do you think that men and women can be strictly friends? And then if so, do you think that's best practice? And then three, what... For that to work, what would need to happen? For men. I'll answer this two ways. Can there be a friendship? Yes, if one of the two people are not attracted to the other. Can there be a good friendship? Yes, if neither are attracted to the other. That's tough. Because in my head, the more you talk to someone and spend time with someone... Sexually. Sexually. Sexually. Attracted sexually. So do you think that men can become attracted to someone sexually based on shared viewpoints and the mental and emotional stuff? Because I think they can... Is it possible for men? Yeah. Yes. Is it plausible? No. So most likely, if he's not initially sexually attracted to you, he won't be. Even if... I think more crass men would make that argument for women as well. We've heard the saying, a woman in the first seven seconds of interacting knows whether or not she would sleep with a man. I'm not going to go that far. But for men, going back to the whole bucket thing, either we would hit or we would. Now, I think it's also a spectrum of how eager we would be to hit. Which also depends on his experience and if he's still a 17-year-old horned dog mentally. But yeah, as far as platonic relationship where he's just waiting for his opportunity. Or she thinks that one day he'll see me. The waiting for the opportunity can happen more often than the one day he'll see me. If you did the girl he wouldn't fuck typically. Men are pretty fixed sexually. Whereas women tend to be more sapiosexual. I think women are flexible generally and goes back to the whole ring thing. But yeah, for a good relationship either, like I said, there is no sexual attraction. And that doesn't mean they're not attractive. Right. Because I think there's a distinction between attractive and attracted. People don't know who are attractive, but I'm not attracted to them. I agree. I agree with that. So you think they can be? Yeah, if they're not attracted to each other. So do you think that it would be the same? Because I think that that relationship would need to look different. I don't believe in it. The male-female platonic, I just don't believe in it. I just think if y'all were friends, like how I'm friends with my best friend, like my female best friend, and we went to dinner together, and we went to the movies together. You'll fall in love with them as well. Yeah. I don't believe that's possible. We've actually seen some women actually fall in love with their gay best friend. I've heard that too, actually. And again, it goes back to men process love differently than women. Like women start with the feelings, and how does he make me feel? But that's not how men are wired. And the first right of refusal is given to what I fuck. And I think the last right of refusal, actually, if I'm being honest, is given to how does she make me feel? Like how does she make me feel takes you from just some girl to my girl or my wife?